$80?!!? You lucky, lucky man. Honestly, though, I'm happy it found a home with someone that will take care of it. Great video, and I'm really happy this didn't turn into another walkman saga.
The shipping was probably somewhat pricy from Japan, especially with the repack, but surely much less than you'd find on eBay. That said, there's so much artificial pricing on eBay these days in general.
I've always been a Mac guy and also really enjoy these videos. :) I bought a used Color Classic in '94 or '95. Later on my sister used it primarily. I later got it back, but over the years and through various moves, I lost sight of it. I hope it's doing well somewhere.
The Japanese auction pages says it cannot be powered on and without HDD and I think it was sold as nonoperational state, that explains its low price. Lucky you got a working machine!
We had the Colour Classic II up here in Canada, and I remember how much I coveted it when I saw it in our school's computer lab. Most of the machines had monochrome displays, so its compact Trinitron really stood out. Glad you managed to find such a deal on this one!
Thanks for the memories. My first Mac was a Centris 650 with System 7.1. That was in the deep dark days of Apple to where finding a good retailer was difficult. Thanks MicroCenter of Atlanta.
When you said that people were passing up the Classic to buy multimedia Macs, that described me exactly. Back in 1993, I looked at the Classic, and was impressed by the Sony Trinitron display, but decided to go for a model that had a built in CDROM, a Mac IIvi. That was my first Mac.
Completely agree with your statements on the Color Classic. I had to use one when I did my internship at a magazine in the late 90's and it was a horrible experience. Apart from the "cuteness" of the case, there wasn't much to love about it. If it had been a CC2, I would probably have fonder memories of that form factor.
I acquired my Color Classic about 20 years ago. Knowing about the rare CCII, I found a Sonnet Presto LC 040 upgrade card in my collection which brought it close. But it now needs attention as it won't boot and the PRAM battery is not the issue. Thanks for reigniting my ideas to do something soon.
It always brings joy to my heart to see how much care you take on handling these old machines. Thank you for doing what you do! Greetings from Austria Thomas
Colin, a quick tip to removing SMD caps, if you wiggle them side to side till the legs break off, you can use Wick to remove the broken leg & clean the pad. NO need for Hot air. I was taught this from a good friend that repairs small electronics with SMD components. Hope it helps !
Retrobriting has unknown long-term effects on plastics. I'm really surprised so many collectors have started doing it without having any idea how it might impact their collection long term. I recently started writing a paper about plastic yellowing, trying to learn the mechanism(s) of action and whether hydrogen peroxide is a good way to possibly reverse the effects.
That's a fantastic find. I finally found a new in box Cinema display for my G4 cube and now I can focus on updating that machine. I was never a Mac guy growing up so it's fun to see all the different computers. It's like I'm discovering them for the first time.
Ha. I'm one of those who bought the Performa 600CD instead of the Color Classic (II). :-) And I had no regrets, either. I later upgraded it to a Quadra 650 mobo, and maxed the RAM. That computer lasted (with my kids) until the early 2000s, before it was retired.
Great Video as always. Way back in 1993 I considered the original Color Classic, but it was just a little bit too expensive. So, I bought a Performa 405, which had the same motherboard hobbling as the original Color Classic as it only supported a max of 10mb of ram to which I upgraded. Still, these early Macs had an appeal that was lost in later Macs, with a simple 7.0 OS that still booted reasonably fast, was fun to play with, by removing/adding control panels and extensions; to give functionality and usability. The biggest limitation for me at the time was the tiny 80mb hard drive which could only hold about a third of my programs and data, forcing me to use an external Zip drive. I networked the computer with a daisy chain to a more modern PowerPC which I bought later and even played around with early emails and Faxing. I'm nostalgic for that computer, and for the simpler times that it represented.
Wow. Just wow. What a great find and price. Get it recapped ASAP! AND, when a machine is yellowing evenly and fully retromodded / restored internally i love to see it bear its age well, a sleeper, if you will, but if the sticker mark is a deal breaker for you, you do you. I'm here regardless of your choice. Love your content.
I have had some Nichicon caps of this vintage ooze all their electrolyte out on a few vintage computers (from Toshiba and GRiD), so definitely watch those closely in the analog section. I built all my BlueSCSI's with the 90* angle SCSI connector, works great in these Macs, I have one in my LC575, which might actually be more rare these days than color classics, with how many 575's got cannibalized for "Mystic" upgrades, I am even guilty of it, I gutted and scrapped a 575 around 2000ish to build a Mystic, which I regrettably later sold.
I love finding bargains on Sendico and that was for sure a Sendico box unless other proxy places use that red tape, those guys always do an amazing job of packing things well. I've had great success with them over the years.
Thank you. Brings back fond memories of my own experiences with Macs such as the Quadras and Performas. Also, some years ago at a church bazaar, I picked up both a Macintosh SE, and a StyleWriter printer for a bargain price. Mac booted up right away. The older Macs may be slow compared to the ones today, but the quality of these older machines is amazing.
This is that kind of video that makes me change the name of the channel, because this machine definitely "computes". Colin is incredibly lucky, congrats for the great video!
This was my dream Classic Mac, until, I worked with an LC-550 and 575! Now, as I had those for my work as a teacher, I want one of those mostly for the expansion capabilities (I have a bunch of old Sys. 7.5 games) but also The larger Trinitron Monitor was a big plus! I'm still hunting for one in working shape!
I’ve had a shipping horror story once when I bought a DEC pdp-11/23 and the seller packed it so badly (literally in the cheapest box with no packaging) that it arrived all smashed up and the chassis was literally bent. Not a little bit but a lot
I've used Buyee a lot for Japanese imports into the UK, and I've literally only ever had one machine turn up damaged (although one I ordered was refunded under their warranty as it arrived at their warehouse trashed). They've all been laptops though, not this - but their protective shipping process is definitely impressive.
Yup, Buyee generally really packs them well if you request. Often the item will be in the box it was shipped to Buyee in japan domestically and you can see the local seller only did an adequate job that was just good enough to ship the few days it took locally, but clearly would have never survived international shipping for any distance. So I've learned to always have them repack. Sometimes the level of layers they pack the item in amazes me, especially for the size of the item even when relatively small. In the past I've had items via eBay from Japan, and they did a piss poor job for a heavier items, with a corner cracked because there just wasn't enough packing..
I am beyond green with envy! My fully restored CC is sitting next to me and has a permanent space on my desk, with a lot of sentimental value. I have kept it completely stock (VRAM, FPU, 10MB RAM), aside from a SCSI2SD board. I am always on the hunt for a II/275 for more of a toy… I need to start digging through yahoo auctions it seems!
They used those in some of the computer labs in the High Schools where I did repairs. Problems were complicated by the combo and software compatibility made them go all PC a couple of years later.
Hi, there is a way to remove those surface caps, without using heat, you should consider. Use something to press firmly down on the top of the cap then twist. this will break the joint but not damage the pads.
The first computer I ever used was a mac in the early 90s maybe 91 or 92. That thing was so cool. It was color, but I don't remember caring about its name so I don't know which one.
Fantastic contribution! Thank you for sharing it! I have been working on my CC Mystic this last week and doing some housekeeping on it, so this video was very timely. It's helpful to know about the BlueSCSI -- I'm still rocking a spinning drive in mine. Also, congrats on winning the bid for this machine
I also bought a CC from Japan and the description mentioned it wasn't sure if it had been upgraded to a LC550 logic board or not - turns out it was! Mine got the case cracked during shipping, but the damage was still minor and concentrated onto the top screw sockets and along one vertical edge in the front. After a full recap of both boards, I got a few days of working state, but moving the machine must have caused something to no longer energize the CRT properly. I'm still hopeful I can bring it back to stability but I keep putting it off. I've run mine without a battery just fine, they're not required.
So educational, if you enjoy old things. Trying to remember the mid-1990's, think I upgraded a 68030 from 16 MHz to 33 MHz with an aftermarket DayStar, but the memory is wonky (mine, not the RAM). Along with the 32-bit patch of course.
I used to want a Color Classic so bad when i was a kid. Ended up going into PCs for my first computer and the rest is history. Used both Mac and PC since 2002, though.
I wish you lived anywhere near me Colin. I've got a couple of old Macs that I'd love to get fixed up but I don't know anyone locally who can do them and like you I'm deathly afraid to ship them.
My fascination (read: obsession) with computers started with the Apple IIe, my first true computer, and your videos bring back those good old days. Thanks for another great video.
Great video, Colin. I noticed your mention of using aluminum electrolytic caps because they have the stock look. While not necessary on the P275 board, using OS-CAN cans give you the stock look, yet offer much lower ESR. Low ESR has a huge impact when you use an LC575 motherboard to create a Color Classic Mystic. Low ESR caps allow you to overclock an 040 processor much higher. This has been confirmed by Kay Koba (creator of Spicy O'Clock) and others, so it's not just my speculation as an EE anymore. By the way, I live in Japan and keep my eye on the auctions here, and I must say you got that 275 machine for a great price. It's not often you find them that low, especially with that many bids. Congrats!
I’m likely going to switch to the OS-CON caps in the future anyway, but I don’t really have much aspiration for any of the Satanic Mac style mods - others have that pretty well covered ;-)
Another awesome video. I love the “old tech” that you cover. My first Mac was a 512k that had an “upgrade” of an 800k disk drive. I spent the same amount to purchase an external 800k disk drive. Even more difficult to find than old hardware, is old software. I think it would be awesome for you to do a series of old software. MacPaint, Write, Draw… SuperPaint, ResEdit, NetTrek, NetBunny… not to mention Microsoft Word and Excel, etc. And the games. I bought my 512k from Macromind Software when they had a warehouse sale. I was hoping to get the latest C64 games for a great price. I was lucky enough to convince my dad to shell out $200 for the Mac. That was around 1990. The Mac I bought, was the one they used to develop and test their software.
Nice find! Congrats. It's hard to explain the joy of using a CC, especially one that is working properly. I'm glad you are taking such care to restore and appreciate this one
Great video,,, Interesting, I worked ‘with’ and ‘for’ Apple for nearly 20 years, 80’s onwards, from Apple I, II. I have a bunch of stuff in my garage, Quadra 950, LC’s, 10’ Apple Monitor, Apple Cd’s, cables power (New supplies and components, network and graphic cards for various modles), I even have the Apple 16/600 lazer printer and a bunch of other stuff including prototypes.. Never occurred to me to check component degradation (thank you for that). Great to see there is still a community out there. I am Apple L1/L2 qualified technician (1980 to 2000) from the good old days of the Apple and Mac, (who remembers the LC and the Apple Luggable?) repaired hundreds of 128K Mac up to the SE30’s,Vx and Vi, II, IIx, etc. Happy to help anyone if they have problems or questions. I still have the original software and TIL (technical information library. (On a Newton and disk) ‘somewhere’!!. Happy to try and help if you have problems or questions, just ask. The Performa was really crap as suggested in the video, but at the time it was an excellent office machine. It was sometimes fitted with a Sony 160MB HD, that would get stuck, you just had to give it a little push and off it went and you could recover the data and change the HD.
I remember a thousand years ago constantly playing Scarab of Ra on one of these units at my best friends place. Black and white though! Ahh. The good old days!
I seriously considered the original Color Classic as an upgrade from the original Classic. But ultimately went with the LCIII. Which was replaced by the LCIII (2), the LC475, the LC every-other-number that was the same price but better all in the space of about 12 months... The Color Classic was pretty... but that's about all.
Nice find! Thank you for sharing this with us. Have you considered posting a series of “How To” videos as a playlist? You could probably reuse content you’ve already made .
My brother is a graphic designer who started his career in the 1990s on a pretty awful LC series machine and dreamed of having a Colour Classic II. I ended up buying one for him as a rather belated upgrade a few years ago. It's quite amazing that such a tiny screen was considered suitable for something like Photoshop back then, especially when I was using a 24" monitor on a Sun workstation. Ironically, I spent most of my time in a couple of terminal windows and used the VI editor - so not making much use of that extra screen real estate or capabilities of the 24 bit "Leo" graphics card.
damn, and here i was thinking i was lucky for ordering an Apple LED Cinema Display from Canada to South America and having it arriving without damage. or travelling with it on a commercial airline again without damage. nice find Colin, the color classic is truly an iconic machine and to have the more rare Performa version is really a hit.
I have a Mac Color Classic and swapped the motherboard with an LC 550. Luckily, I just needed to install a new hard drive, double the storage than its original, and clean out the floppy drive from the dust it collected.
I'm early so ill make this fast. Lol Im not a technology junkie or electronics guru, but I really love your videos for your nice voice and because I get to see alot of interesting old tech I didn't know existed. Thank you for your work sir! 💜
Do your hands shake when you try to hold them still? You are one of several people I have noticed recently whose hands seem to sort of vibrate when they are not in motion. It’s like you’re buzzing with energy! Cheers!
I've never once considered using aluminum foil to block heat in large areas. I usually use lots of kapton tape, which gets expensive very quickly. And I'd love to have a gallon of 99% IPA and be able to reuse it for soaking boards in.
I wish they made more of these Color Classic Macs, they were mostly made for schools. Also can you make a video about fixing the Mac Plus, because the one I have is no longer working and want to find adapters to work with newer keyboards and mice!
Another wonderful and educational video. Nice job, Colin. It's your videos over the years that have gotten me interested in retro Macs! Nothing better than waking up to a new TDNC video on a Saturday morning. ❤️
You use flux (for nothing) for desoldering and not (enough) for soldering. Next time try to twist the cap to brake the legs and then you just need the soldering iron to remove them from the board pads. If you're scared to rip pads try first to easy mendable one but it won't happen.
I remember going to the local Apple Centre and checking out the Color Classic, having become a first-time Mac owner the year before with a Mac Classic. Ultimately though I went with an LCIII with 14" display and Adjustable Keyboard (still have the keyboard). The Color Classic just didn't make sense...
That tiny little screen and huge bezels ridiculous as in 1993 i remember my Uncles First PC for his business was some IBM desktop and it had a huge CRT monitor 19inch if i remember right good old times and it had like a mighty 486 cpu running at 66mhz lol but very fast for the early 90s skip forward to 1999 when i got my first PC a Pentium 3 machine it was running like 1000mhz very fast advancements in CPU technology.
I noticed after you gave the board the IPA bath there was a bit of white chalky residue left behind. I encountered a similar issue when cleaning and arcade PCB recently. It’s pretty unsightly to my eyes… I think this is from spent flux, and I’m curious if you know of a good method to get rid of it.
$80?!!? You lucky, lucky man. Honestly, though, I'm happy it found a home with someone that will take care of it. Great video, and I'm really happy this didn't turn into another walkman saga.
Actually such a cheap price for such a rare retro PC
The shipping was probably somewhat pricy from Japan, especially with the repack, but surely much less than you'd find on eBay.
That said, there's so much artificial pricing on eBay these days in general.
Great video. I would recommend using a larger nozzle on the hot air to remove caps.
I have never been a Mac guy, so I really enjoy these videos. You showcase an entire class of computers I didn't know about.
I've always been a Mac guy and also really enjoy these videos. :) I bought a used Color Classic in '94 or '95. Later on my sister used it primarily. I later got it back, but over the years and through various moves, I lost sight of it. I hope it's doing well somewhere.
@@fryke I really like his 90s tech videos
It is great I ❤ these videos
I love old Macs they have such a nostalgia factor to me and a lot of others
The Japanese auction pages says it cannot be powered on and without HDD and I think it was sold as nonoperational state, that explains its low price. Lucky you got a working machine!
We had the Colour Classic II up here in Canada, and I remember how much I coveted it when I saw it in our school's computer lab. Most of the machines had monochrome displays, so its compact Trinitron really stood out. Glad you managed to find such a deal on this one!
Thanks for the memories. My first Mac was a Centris 650 with System 7.1. That was in the deep dark days of Apple to where finding a good retailer was difficult. Thanks MicroCenter of Atlanta.
When you said that people were passing up the Classic to buy multimedia Macs, that described me exactly. Back in 1993, I looked at the Classic, and was impressed by the Sony Trinitron display, but decided to go for a model that had a built in CDROM, a Mac IIvi. That was my first Mac.
Performas had the same stigma as LC series units or the late Apple //e, and later, the eMac - that they were weak education units
Completely agree with your statements on the Color Classic. I had to use one when I did my internship at a magazine in the late 90's and it was a horrible experience. Apart from the "cuteness" of the case, there wasn't much to love about it. If it had been a CC2, I would probably have fonder memories of that form factor.
I acquired my Color Classic about 20 years ago. Knowing about the rare CCII, I found a Sonnet Presto LC 040 upgrade card in my collection which brought it close. But it now needs attention as it won't boot and the PRAM battery is not the issue. Thanks for reigniting my ideas to do something soon.
It always brings joy to my heart to see how much care you take on handling these old machines. Thank you for doing what you do!
Greetings from Austria
Thomas
Colin, a quick tip to removing SMD caps, if you wiggle them side to side till the legs break off, you can use Wick to remove the broken leg & clean the pad. NO need for Hot air. I was taught this from a good friend that repairs small electronics with SMD components. Hope it helps !
Wow, awesome find! I’m absolutely thrilled for you man! Thanks for sharing the journey with us.
Retrobriting has unknown long-term effects on plastics. I'm really surprised so many collectors have started doing it without having any idea how it might impact their collection long term. I recently started writing a paper about plastic yellowing, trying to learn the mechanism(s) of action and whether hydrogen peroxide is a good way to possibly reverse the effects.
That's a fantastic find. I finally found a new in box Cinema display for my G4 cube and now I can focus on updating that machine. I was never a Mac guy growing up so it's fun to see all the different computers. It's like I'm discovering them for the first time.
thats so cool! i'm the same way :) i never really cared for apple growing up but now im like wow!!
Ha. I'm one of those who bought the Performa 600CD instead of the Color Classic (II). :-) And I had no regrets, either. I later upgraded it to a Quadra 650 mobo, and maxed the RAM. That computer lasted (with my kids) until the early 2000s, before it was retired.
Great Video as always. Way back in 1993 I considered the original Color Classic, but it was just a little bit too expensive. So, I bought a Performa 405, which had the same motherboard hobbling as the original Color Classic as it only supported a max of 10mb of ram to which I upgraded. Still, these early Macs had an appeal that was lost in later Macs, with a simple 7.0 OS that still booted reasonably fast, was fun to play with, by removing/adding control panels and extensions; to give functionality and usability. The biggest limitation for me at the time was the tiny 80mb hard drive which could only hold about a third of my programs and data, forcing me to use an external Zip drive. I networked the computer with a daisy chain to a more modern PowerPC which I bought later and even played around with early emails and Faxing. I'm nostalgic for that computer, and for the simpler times that it represented.
just love old quicktime logo ...it gives me the shivers back then
Wow. Just wow. What a great find and price. Get it recapped ASAP! AND, when a machine is yellowing evenly and fully retromodded / restored internally i love to see it bear its age well, a sleeper, if you will, but if the sticker mark is a deal breaker for you, you do you. I'm here regardless of your choice. Love your content.
Agreed. Personally I'd never retrobright anything unless it's absolutely hideous, nothing wrong with a bit of yellowing on decades old hardware.
I have had some Nichicon caps of this vintage ooze all their electrolyte out on a few vintage computers (from Toshiba and GRiD), so definitely watch those closely in the analog section. I built all my BlueSCSI's with the 90* angle SCSI connector, works great in these Macs, I have one in my LC575, which might actually be more rare these days than color classics, with how many 575's got cannibalized for "Mystic" upgrades, I am even guilty of it, I gutted and scrapped a 575 around 2000ish to build a Mystic, which I regrettably later sold.
I have a CC I bought used in the late ‘90’s. This video makes me rethink turning it on since it has been unused for 20 years.
I love finding bargains on Sendico and that was for sure a Sendico box unless other proxy places use that red tape, those guys always do an amazing job of packing things well. I've had great success with them over the years.
Looks like Buyee
Thank you. Brings back fond memories of my own experiences with Macs such as the Quadras and Performas. Also, some years ago at a church bazaar, I picked up both a Macintosh SE, and a StyleWriter printer for a bargain price. Mac booted up right away. The older
Macs may be slow compared to the ones today, but the quality of these older machines is amazing.
This is that kind of video that makes me change the name of the channel, because this machine definitely "computes". Colin is incredibly lucky, congrats for the great video!
This was my dream Classic Mac, until, I worked with an LC-550 and 575! Now, as I had those for my work as a teacher, I want one of those mostly for the expansion capabilities (I have a bunch of old Sys. 7.5 games) but also The larger Trinitron Monitor was a big plus! I'm still hunting for one in working shape!
I’ve had a shipping horror story once when I bought a DEC pdp-11/23 and the seller packed it so badly (literally in the cheapest box with no packaging) that it arrived all smashed up and the chassis was literally bent. Not a little bit but a lot
I've used Buyee a lot for Japanese imports into the UK, and I've literally only ever had one machine turn up damaged (although one I ordered was refunded under their warranty as it arrived at their warehouse trashed). They've all been laptops though, not this - but their protective shipping process is definitely impressive.
Yup, Buyee generally really packs them well if you request. Often the item will be in the box it was shipped to Buyee in japan domestically and you can see the local seller only did an adequate job that was just good enough to ship the few days it took locally, but clearly would have never survived international shipping for any distance. So I've learned to always have them repack. Sometimes the level of layers they pack the item in amazes me, especially for the size of the item even when relatively small.
In the past I've had items via eBay from Japan, and they did a piss poor job for a heavier items, with a corner cracked because there just wasn't enough packing..
It's amazing how easy some of those old macs were to open up and get into. Removing the board on this one looks like an absolute dream!
What a deal. My first MAC was an SE and I've collected quit a few of that Form Factor over the years. I still use my Color Classic for recipes.
I am beyond green with envy! My fully restored CC is sitting next to me and has a permanent space on my desk, with a lot of sentimental value. I have kept it completely stock (VRAM, FPU, 10MB RAM), aside from a SCSI2SD board. I am always on the hunt for a II/275 for more of a toy… I need to start digging through yahoo auctions it seems!
Wow! You got so lucky. Low price and in great shape. Probably one of the best people to get it since you love them and know how to take care of them
Damn, I've seen pretty much every classic mac in person at some point, except this one. Nice find!
They used those in some of the computer labs in the High Schools where I did repairs. Problems were complicated by the combo and software compatibility made them go all PC a couple of years later.
What an incredibly beautiful machine. They just don’t design computers this beautiful anymore
Hi, there is a way to remove those surface caps, without using heat, you should consider. Use something to press firmly down on the top of the cap then twist. this will break the joint but not damage the pads.
The first computer I ever used was a mac in the early 90s maybe 91 or 92. That thing was so cool. It was color, but I don't remember caring about its name so I don't know which one.
My last Mac was a Classic II which came a few years earlier than this one. Nice to see an old school Mac.
Fantastic contribution! Thank you for sharing it! I have been working on my CC Mystic this last week and doing some housekeeping on it, so this video was very timely. It's helpful to know about the BlueSCSI -- I'm still rocking a spinning drive in mine. Also, congrats on winning the bid for this machine
I also bought a CC from Japan and the description mentioned it wasn't sure if it had been upgraded to a LC550 logic board or not - turns out it was! Mine got the case cracked during shipping, but the damage was still minor and concentrated onto the top screw sockets and along one vertical edge in the front. After a full recap of both boards, I got a few days of working state, but moving the machine must have caused something to no longer energize the CRT properly. I'm still hopeful I can bring it back to stability but I keep putting it off. I've run mine without a battery just fine, they're not required.
So educational, if you enjoy old things. Trying to remember the mid-1990's, think I upgraded a 68030 from 16 MHz to 33 MHz with an aftermarket DayStar, but the memory is wonky (mine, not the RAM). Along with the 32-bit patch of course.
I used to want a Color Classic so bad when i was a kid. Ended up going into PCs for my first computer and the rest is history. Used both Mac and PC since 2002, though.
Wow that Foxconn sticker is cool. Wild to think how long they’ve been making Apple products and components.
I early adopted a 128K Mac back in 1984, when they first came out. I loved that thing. It was so unique at the time.
I'm so happy for you that this project went incredibly smoothly as I know how much trouble you have had in the past with other machines.
it's always those caps and the fact that they popped under heat it's good that you got those out
I don't have the nerve to de/re-solder old caps like this, so I'll continue lively vicariously through these videos!
I wish you lived anywhere near me Colin. I've got a couple of old Macs that I'd love to get fixed up but I don't know anyone locally who can do them and like you I'm deathly afraid to ship them.
Excellent video. For the recapping you might try the modern Chris Edwards style of cap removal, it's relatively safe, no hot air required.
I'm glad you are working without a heartache so far. After I learned about colour classic 2 I wanted one. I had the color classic 1 mackintosh apple
My fascination (read: obsession) with computers started with the Apple IIe, my first true computer, and your videos bring back those good old days. Thanks for another great video.
Like Mr Carlson does, you can twist the caps off with pliers. Then desolder the legs. Works fine and less destructive.
Great video, Colin. I noticed your mention of using aluminum electrolytic caps because they have the stock look. While not necessary on the P275 board, using OS-CAN cans give you the stock look, yet offer much lower ESR. Low ESR has a huge impact when you use an LC575 motherboard to create a Color Classic Mystic. Low ESR caps allow you to overclock an 040 processor much higher. This has been confirmed by Kay Koba (creator of Spicy O'Clock) and others, so it's not just my speculation as an EE anymore. By the way, I live in Japan and keep my eye on the auctions here, and I must say you got that 275 machine for a great price. It's not often you find them that low, especially with that many bids. Congrats!
I’m likely going to switch to the OS-CON caps in the future anyway, but I don’t really have much aspiration for any of the Satanic Mac style mods - others have that pretty well covered ;-)
Another awesome video. I love the “old tech” that you cover. My first Mac was a 512k that had an “upgrade” of an 800k disk drive. I spent the same amount to purchase an external 800k disk drive.
Even more difficult to find than old hardware, is old software. I think it would be awesome for you to do a series of old software. MacPaint, Write, Draw… SuperPaint, ResEdit, NetTrek, NetBunny… not to mention Microsoft Word and Excel, etc. And the games. I bought my 512k from Macromind Software when they had a warehouse sale. I was hoping to get the latest C64 games for a great price. I was lucky enough to convince my dad to shell out $200 for the Mac. That was around 1990. The Mac I bought, was the one they used to develop and test their software.
Nice find! Congrats. It's hard to explain the joy of using a CC, especially one that is working properly. I'm glad you are taking such care to restore and appreciate this one
Great video,,, Interesting, I worked ‘with’ and ‘for’ Apple for nearly 20 years, 80’s onwards, from Apple I, II. I have a bunch of stuff in my garage, Quadra 950, LC’s, 10’ Apple Monitor, Apple Cd’s, cables power (New supplies and components, network and graphic cards for various modles), I even have the Apple 16/600 lazer printer and a bunch of other stuff including prototypes.. Never occurred to me to check component degradation (thank you for that). Great to see there is still a community out there. I am Apple L1/L2 qualified technician (1980 to 2000) from the good old days of the Apple and Mac, (who remembers the LC and the Apple Luggable?) repaired hundreds of 128K Mac up to the SE30’s,Vx and Vi, II, IIx, etc. Happy to help anyone if they have problems or questions. I still have the original software and TIL (technical information library. (On a Newton and disk) ‘somewhere’!!. Happy to try and help if you have problems or questions, just ask. The Performa was really crap as suggested in the video, but at the time it was an excellent office machine. It was sometimes fitted with a Sony 160MB HD, that would get stuck, you just had to give it a little push and off it went and you could recover the data and change the HD.
You should archive a lot of your technical information, it would be useful for vintage Mac collectors.
@@nathanbrown816 good advice, will do and share.
I hold those pcs close to my heart there were a ton of em in my school in brooklyn.
This story had a fairytale ending. Bravo and congrats on the score.
Thank you for telling us about this Mac and showing us this mac.
I remember a thousand years ago constantly playing Scarab of Ra on one of these units at my best friends place. Black and white though! Ahh. The good old days!
I had a Mac SE in college and was jealous when other students started upgrading to the Color Classic.
I seriously considered the original Color Classic as an upgrade from the original Classic. But ultimately went with the LCIII. Which was replaced by the LCIII (2), the LC475, the LC every-other-number that was the same price but better all in the space of about 12 months...
The Color Classic was pretty... but that's about all.
Nice find! Thank you for sharing this with us. Have you considered posting a series of “How To” videos as a playlist? You could probably reuse content you’ve already made .
Loving the flow of this video and thanks for the great tip about soaking the mobo beforehand.
My brother is a graphic designer who started his career in the 1990s on a pretty awful LC series machine and dreamed of having a Colour Classic II. I ended up buying one for him as a rather belated upgrade a few years ago. It's quite amazing that such a tiny screen was considered suitable for something like Photoshop back then, especially when I was using a 24" monitor on a Sun workstation. Ironically, I spent most of my time in a couple of terminal windows and used the VI editor - so not making much use of that extra screen real estate or capabilities of the 24 bit "Leo" graphics card.
Wow really good find!
damn, and here i was thinking i was lucky for ordering an Apple LED Cinema Display from Canada to South America and having it arriving without damage. or travelling with it on a commercial airline again without damage.
nice find Colin, the color classic is truly an iconic machine and to have the more rare Performa version is really a hit.
What a rare beast! Glad to see it get a good new home and survive the overseas trip! Hope you have a ton of fun with it.
Really glad such a find went to you since you've done it justice and shared the video with the world, but... I'd be lying if I said I wasn't jealous!
I only just noticed your gigantic Hokusai wall. That's so rad!
I have a Mac Color Classic and swapped the motherboard with an LC 550. Luckily, I just needed to install a new hard drive, double the storage than its original, and clean out the floppy drive from the dust it collected.
I'm early so ill make this fast. Lol Im not a technology junkie or electronics guru, but I really love your videos for your nice voice and because I get to see alot of interesting old tech I didn't know existed. Thank you for your work sir! 💜
amazing job !!! well done
i d love to get the same repair to the 2 Mac Classic i found years ago in the street ...
I remember working on this model back in the day working at Apple. Thanks god they were no Elna caps on the TV/PS board.
I had an SE-30, and a 512K about 25 years ago(?) Gave them to a friend. They still worked.
Do your hands shake when you try to hold them still? You are one of several people I have noticed recently whose hands seem to sort of vibrate when they are not in motion. It’s like you’re buzzing with energy! Cheers!
I absolutely adore these videos, the time, care and attention to preserve old electronics is fantastic to watch. Great video.
Great to Performa's getting some attention. Had an all in one Performa that was a workhorse for me for years. It was a later model than this beauty.
I strongly recommend you buy a soldering iron with tweezers, so you avoid spreading heat across the board and its components.
Another one saved! I just recently resurrected a Color Classic logic board. If anyone is interested in getting their's restored, reach out to us.
I would have never thought that you could soak a motherboard, nice!
I've never once considered using aluminum foil to block heat in large areas. I usually use lots of kapton tape, which gets expensive very quickly. And I'd love to have a gallon of 99% IPA and be able to reuse it for soaking boards in.
Maybe try some foam core (your local hobby store knows what it is, wrapped in Aluminum foil.
Nice preservation job on that bit of history.
I wish they made more of these Color Classic Macs, they were mostly made for schools. Also can you make a video about fixing the Mac Plus, because the one I have is no longer working and want to find adapters to work with newer keyboards and mice!
No child deserves to be tortured by this tiny sub-VGA non-adjustable display.
@@IkarusKommt it’s not about the display why that retro computer has a community. It’s the old software and all in one design that makes it unique!
Another wonderful and educational video. Nice job, Colin. It's your videos over the years that have gotten me interested in retro Macs!
Nothing better than waking up to a new TDNC video on a Saturday morning. ❤️
Retrobrighting in Minnesota is insane outside of summer.
300C is an okay temp on 858d. 375 can damage pads
That's a really cool piece. Nice score, man.
You use flux (for nothing) for desoldering and not (enough) for soldering. Next time try to twist the cap to brake the legs and then you just need the soldering iron to remove them from the board pads. If you're scared to rip pads try first to easy mendable one but it won't happen.
Looking forward to seeing more of this! Max out the RAM and add the math co-processor.
Used one of these in school and loved them.
Perfect timing, this vid coming out on Feelin' Good Friday!🎉
i loved the colour classic.... and the keyboard it came with
Have you done a video on cleaning up the plastic casing, would like to see the technique.
The Mac Color Classic plays Sim City 2000? That machine is worth owning just for that!
That’s a great find! Well done.
How does this compare to do doing a Mystic mod on a normal CC?
Oh damn my dad has one of these in his cellar, working perfectly still!
So drool worthy. I badly wanted one of these when I was a teenager, but had to stick with my 486, because games.
I remember going to the local Apple Centre and checking out the Color Classic, having become a first-time Mac owner the year before with a Mac Classic. Ultimately though I went with an LCIII with 14" display and Adjustable Keyboard (still have the keyboard). The Color Classic just didn't make sense...
That tiny little screen and huge bezels ridiculous as in 1993 i remember my Uncles First PC for his business was some IBM desktop and it had a huge CRT monitor 19inch if i remember right good old times and it had like a mighty 486 cpu running at 66mhz lol but very fast for the early 90s skip forward to 1999 when i got my first PC a Pentium 3 machine it was running like 1000mhz very fast advancements in CPU technology.
Great video and luck was on your side this time :-) the color classic (1) is in my collection also but I need to repair …one day
I noticed after you gave the board the IPA bath there was a bit of white chalky residue left behind. I encountered a similar issue when cleaning and arcade PCB recently. It’s pretty unsightly to my eyes… I think this is from spent flux, and I’m curious if you know of a good method to get rid of it.