Blew up my 1000 HP Turbo LS! Here's what it cost to fix it!
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2017
- Find out exactly what it cost me to rebuild my LS engine after losing oil pressure and destroying my bearings. Also I update everyone on whats going on with my 9 second Turbo Trans Am street car.
BONUS: Comment below what my next build car is, spoiler in the video if you look closely.
For details on exactly what the machine shop had to do along with cam specs and more technical details read my article linked below at altdriver.com.
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I love that this isn't another C5 or new camaro.
Done right and professional but I'm a racer and we just don't do that. Our turbo 4.8 we are trying to brake the stock motor record with is making 798/800 on 23.5 psi. We have lost 2 Pistons, pulled the heads, scuff the walls, and threw 2 used rod piston setups in the hole and went 10.1@140 in a full weight single cab truck.. I just threw a rod out the block in 4th gen ws6 with a complete ls3 setup, spent 700 on a iron lq6 6.0 short block. Gapped the stock rings and threw it in. Has over 100 passes on 150 shot and cost me around 1400$ daily driver weekend job, you did great. If your a true racer, you can't spend that money everytike something happens. I've had my motor apart probably 6 times in the past 3 seasons
Thanks for the shout out Alex!!! Good to see you went with the beef on the pushrods! Subscribed!
There are so many guys running a stock bottom end 6.0 making a thousand hp...I just don't see the giant costs.
250,000 mile 6.0 out of a dirty old van/truck, pull it down, clean it all up, pull the pistons, clean up the oil rings and carbon if required, set the ring gap to 25thou, inspect parts for damage, add an oil pump, add a turbo cam and turbo...Then start tuning! LS bores are rarely bad....you can still see the crosshatch perfectly at that mileage.
Keep the revs real and you are good to go.
I have 20,000 miles on mine...and I drove it like its stolen. 1025 hp on E85...I drive it every day at 800 on pump piss.
The guy who makes these videos doesnt know shit about engines or cost, he just got robbed by a shop thats been juicing his ass for money
Article with machine shop break down is out!
altdriver.com/originals/rebuilding-a-1000-horsepower-turbo-engine-isnt-cheap/
Thank you so much for uploading. I've been racing old-school muscle for several years and switched to imports for about 10 years. now getting back into domestic V8s again. your build cost reminded me why I like domestic V8s. my chevelle build cost me about 10k on motor and trans while my WRX build cost around 25k to achieve 500 AWHP safely. now working on 91 fox GT going with TT set up. again thank you and you got a new Sub.
Baltimore brawler Thanks man, appreciate that
Admittedly, subarus are literally some of the most expensive imports cars to make fast...I mean that's pretty well known.
Those machine shops must have insane shop rates. Just had my forged 6.0 shortblock freshened up for a similar issue mine was caused from oil starvation due to the oil pan being sucked dry with the 10426 pump and stock F Body Pan combined with hard launches 1.32 60 ft. My WS6 car makes similar power too S480 on 23 psi. My local machine shop charged me 1134 dollars out the door. To turn the crank to .0010 check the line bore install new rings and file them down, also bearings cam degree, hot tanking ect. My heads were fresh 1500 miles and about 10 passes so I didn't have them done.
Word of caution when you get your car rolling sub 1.40s to the 60ft, either overfill the engine or get another oil pan. Or go back to a standard volume pump.
Beautiful car by the way.
Your videos are great. Keep in mind there's young people watching that don't have your skill and experience 'getting into it' on the street. Standing on it in a residential area is never a good idea, especially for greenhorns. I don't mean to be a gripe. I can tell you're a good guy. I'm more like the big brother you never wanted @ 49. Keep those clips to the highway and track.
Channel looks like it's doing good. Keep it up!
John Doc Thanks so much John.
John Doc damn right!! I hope I'm not the only one who spots Mr. Cowmaro over here
i broke a piston in my turbo 4.8, cost me $75 for another set of used pistons and rods, slapped it back together. been making 600wheel for two years since on e85 lol
When my motor blew up, it windowed the old block. I haven't added up how much it costs, but I mean, in a nutshell, probably close to $4500 for the shortblock. Then, just like you said, the while you're in there upgrades, that is probably where it really adds up. I went with Johnson ST 2116 lifters, new custom cam from LJMS, complete A2W setup in the passenger seat, and a complete Holley Dominator efi. So probably a good $6000 in upgrades. lol Should be real fun though.
TheMasnart Sounds wicked! Thanks for watching
My engine builder charged me $2200 for labor and fully assembled long block. In the price was included gasket kit and arp bolts. Only reused the crank . I supplied pistons and rods. And thats a 355ci lt1
wooow thanks for letting us in on the cost. my head hurt when you first gave those numbers holy bleep
Subbed the second you flipped to the "while you're in there upgrades" page... story of my life haha.
That's a cool car! Those cars are fast stock, could imagine what it's like the way you have it set up. nice show.
I knew this guy when he was barely a lube tech and that car was n.a. now he's running 1000hp and has is own UA-cam channel! What are you doing these days if you're not turning a wrench anymore?
Thanks so much for giving us an in-depth look into what the real costs are for a build like this. Subscribed
kenyanr1 Ya of course. Thanks for the sub. My goal is to talk a lot about real costs. No sugar coating just what it costs a normal person who does as much of his own work as possible.
absolutely love that car, mine was the GTO 6.0l when I was learning to drive...would love to have a judge and new concept to rebuild with my kids...
I work in Area Central and saw your car a few weeks ago in the parking lot, it conveinced me to forget about the corvette I have been shoping for. I have owned 3 ram air Trans Am's and an 87 Grand National (fastest car i ever owned 11.77 in the quarter but so fickled) but never went all the way with performance up grades on the LS1's . Now i am seeking to purchase another Ram Air and see where it takes me.
Clifford Martin Awesome Clifford! Excited for you to get back into a Bird, good luck and thanks for watching
Brings back memories, I had a 2000 WS6, white with black CETA mod like this one. Obviously nowhere near as fast, but still a very fun car!
Really nice ride! just subscribed, i like how you present yourself and your opinions as well as real world costs and facts. Thanx
Thanks Rick, appreciate that.
Alex
Rick Brown Totally agree. First time watching just now and I'm subscribing.
Alex, this car is mint, looks brand new.
Sadly, it still looks like a Pontiac Trans Am.
Not a bad amount to do it the way you did.....THE RIGHT WAY! Great video
Dude...you must have a ton of time and a boat load of money. The car looks and runs great, good for you !
You got yourself a subscriber! Huge fan of the Firebirds/Transams! Love my 1999 Transam!
Sick TA man, love the turbo setup with A/C!
Procharged AJ Thanks a lot AJ. Appreciate the sub
Cool video man and beautiful WS6, Ive always loved those. Its good to see what you spent on the engine, Im gonna have to start saving up fora forged rotating assembly for my blown Mach 1.
Chris Zawacki Thanks Chris! It all adds up but man when that boost kicks in its totally worth it. Appreciate the sub
I fucking love Fire Chickens and Trash-Ams
I fucking love guys with car lifts in there garage but dont know shit about engines and take there cars to "shops" when something is wrong
I forgot every car guy is suppose to know how to completely overhaul (and tune) a 1000+HP car in there garage because they enjoy the luxury of having a lift. Why take it to a professional shop who do builds like this before and can produce consistent reliable power. Maybe it would be a better idea to take a month off work to overhaul your engine to save the $1000 in labour. You are right that makes zero sense.
Could of gotten 10 6.0s a junk yard for $6000
Do the work yourself and have 10 engines that can hold 1000 hp
Yeah that makes zero sense ill take my small block to the shop, hate getting my hands dirty using the car lift I have in my garage to pull an engines all day
I'm wanting to get a ws6 so bad I love the looks of them especially with the ram air hood. Great car and nice videos
For my L76 I did dual valve springs, Manley valves, new push rods, lifters, rockers, cam, timing chain and gear, valley tray, under drive balancer, intake, headers. Also had the heads ported polished and milled. Plus bolts, gaskets, couple sensors, stall converter, and trans cooler. And the dyno tune. Total I spent 5700.
Must have been out for test and tune in April,
It's been rained out a few weeks
Love the. Build I have a similar one just like it but boosted ls2
I have a 93 turbo LT1 when i rebuilt the engine the 1st time it cost me $2500 and it made just over 800hp. Im upgrading everything on the top end now and this time I'm in the $5k range but hope to get over the 1k wheel mark.
Sup from Michigan City, IN. Love the car bro.
That's a good price for machine work, clean car too. Wish I could compare my rebuild but I upgraded a lot of stuff while in it.
I dropped my match box viper down the stairs , no insurance on that bad boy. Had to buy a $2 bottle of gorrila glue to sort it out. It's never been the same. 😭
This car is beautiful. Love the channel
The very last motor that I replaced was I believe, 1986. I had the badly neglected 305 motor in the 75 Nova Hatchback that I had recently purchased, with an AutoZone 350 long block.
7:05 looks like fun 😊😊😁🥰 nice weather by the way. 😉🌞
Great channel! That car is one of a kind!
Loving your channel 🖒 shame we don't have trans ams in the U.K.! Your car is cool as hell 😈
After my sbc 383 had 500 miles I tore it back down and went with an BDS 8-71 haha that was around 9k so each there own. Only live once.
Just did a 6.0 ls short block with all forged internals all new oil pump comp tie bar lifters new timing set assembly dyno and all machine work 5800
You literally built my dream car that I can't afford😂😢
Matt Davis You can do it! (In Rob Schneider's voice)Thanks for watching
Years ago, there was this "well off" guy that I knew who had a '99 Ram Air: Paid in neighborhood of $20K for a Lingenfelter LS1-based 383. Then he put the bottle to it....and promptly threw a rod (toasted the block, crank, etc). It was a sad day.
Unbelievably, he actually GAVE it back to his Financial Institution (i.e. BANK) because he got tired of spending $ on it.
...damn shame.
I've always had a soft spot for the last gen Trans-Ams.
Binge watching your channel ...where have I been all this time ? 😩😩😩
Im amazed the Park Ridge PD hasn't snagged you yet. I grew up there, terrorized suburbia with a CTS-V and a Hemi Magnum. Anytime anyones exhaust got the tiniest bit loud someone called the cops. They had 4 cops literally surround my buddies Chevelle. Not a great area for muscle cars, but enjoy the turbo LS!
That’s what it takes to play, 🤛🏻 nice video
wow dude u know alot your car is bad ass . I been racing with f body's whole life
I think the shop upsold you on a few parts, odd cam specs, and a few questionable services. Iron block 5.3 with 706/862 heads are dime a dozen. you'd almost not care if one blew up.
fwiw 141 mph only takes 811 bhp. I would like to see you run 155 mph.
Me too! 155 would be amazing!
@@LegitStreetCars I have a '98 trans am sleeping in the garage so I'm going through all your videos again :) I think you should be at 148.6mph with 1000 bhp and 3900 lb race weight. Best ET would be 9.17. You're not far off from 150! It would make a great video ;)
@@cstavro chris what car should i buy around or under the 20k mark, manual transmission, something i can build and tune and have fun with.?
A stock 6.0 crank can handle 1,000 hp but if you didn't want to do that, I bet the crank grind and polish with new bearings is all you needed.
If you beat on it until the rods went out of round it would be better to go through everything but it didn't look that bad.
I think he could have bought a forged short block for $3500 ...
Currently have a 6.0 at machine shop. Callie's rods, Weisco Pistons, and all new valve train (builders choice). $2000.00 at drop off and was told not over $2000.00 at pick up. That includes machine work and parts and labor. We'll see. Asked for 1k capable.
Sargen013 That includes parts like the pistons,rods etc? if so that's nuts!
On Friday I found out I had to rebuild at least the top end of my 01 gs300. Oil was leaking onto the cylinder head causing it to misfire, compression loss and only 3 cylinders were firing.. The throttle body, tps, and cps all took a crap including the radiator.. At $1998 in parts alone I've gone the route of selling it.. Sucks to see it go, but I bought for $2500. Tried my best to keep it up and running. Ohhhhhh well that's life for ya. I wanted to make it a single turbo sleeper but at 25 years old and the weight of the world on my back it's best to let it go.
I think for what your car is, which I would love to copy with my 01 trans am WS6. I feel like your total and what you have, wasn't that bad? I was guessing a lot more, listening to everything you had done. Wanna say glad to see its back up and running!keep the video's coming!👍🏻 when I bought my 01 trans am WS6 14yrs ago with 78,000miles, 89,000 I blew a hole in the block(both sides)! After pricing a new LS1 motor they ranged, if my memory is correct like 4K up to 6200$ with wiring and everything, which I didn't need. Found a guy sell a new LS1 in the crate with everything in Ohio(I live in pa) got it for 4200$. Sold the extra flywheel,wiring harness, motor mounts, computer, stock manifolds etc. had the local Chevy dealer take the shot motor out, new motor in and that bill was about 2k. So, I think you done well. Now, I did make some cash back selling the new parts I didn't need.
2001pontiacta Thanks a lot! Ya it was one of those it is what it is type deals. After 5 machine shop give you the same price it's like what can you do?
I'm so pumped to be back up and running and making more videos for everyone. Thanks for watching and subscribing
Car sounds SO sweet.
Nice ride. I had a fox body mustang for the longest time. I was lucky to buy my first one in 2005, which was a one owner, 1987 LX Mustang, 63,xxx original mile, mostly garaged and every part "professionally" installed at the nissan dealership he workes at for $5000 because he had about $8,000+ into this car and back then working at Wal-Mart, I works have never been able to build it the way it was. Not going to list all the parts but it had a 5,xxx mile Gt40 crate motor in it (wish I could post pics). I've always liked the foxes because of the shape, weight, they're cheap and the parts for them are a dime a dozen. Some years later after owning about 3 other foxes and swapping a couple different motors, I ended up buying a vortech supercharged 98 cobra. After that engine started "tapping" I sent it to the shop to be rebuilt and if I would have known the big difference it cost to build the mod motors compared to the old push rod motors, I would have never done it. I could have built two fox body motors for the cost of this mod motor. Worth it? Yes. Would I do it again? No lol. The first time I really realized how much parts were for newer cars (because how would I know if I never needed to look ya know..) was when I bought a 2004 GTO and wanted to buy an exhaust system for it and it was over $1000. A full exhaust kit for a fox body (especially in 2005-2006) was about $400-500. True Story- the supercharged 98 cobra and a fully built (n/a) fox I had about 3 years ago now, both went up in a garage fire. The fox was a total loss except for the block and metal parts (exhaust/suspension) and 3 drag lites and the cobra was an absolute loss except the blower itself which was on a shelf and sisnt get too much fire damagebut the motor I talked about, was luckily in the shop at the time or I would have came out of it with nothing. I didn't get one dollar croon the homeowners insurance or the car insurance but I was lucky to be looking at Craigslist whixh I rarely do and found a 64,xxx mile, 9/10 interior 03 cobra roller that was primered and ready for paint, had subframe connectors, lowered, full bassani cat-back system, built rear end w/ 3.90 gears with Detroit locker and had 18" Fr500s on it with 305s in the rear for $4800. Now I had so.ething to put the 98 motor in. I have the worst luck in the world and rhe car gods hated me ever since I got rid of my first car that I never should have gotten rid of but I ended up with a 800+hp Turbo 03 cobra (which body style I don't really care for but it is a cobra).
ucnhtmenow1 got a 03 cobra roller for under $5k? Luckiest guy ever or it's bs
Your transam is killer bro it just need a good looking wheels weld s71 beadlock and alumastars in the front and you're done!
Mohd Saleh Thanks man! I've done the 15s with skinnies in the front. Loved it but just wanted something new
Good stuff man, in the middle of 7-800whp turbo build on my 98Z...subd
bolawdean Awesome man. What turbo are you going with?
LegitStreetCars I'm not 100% decided, but I can fit up to a mid frame T4, considering the VS billet 78/75
Nice car and a well made video.
Great video! Good job!
m smith Thanks!
Love the car/build
that's the car I want. Great build
David Peterson Thanks David, appreciate the sub
One lifter costs you 5 grand glad to see you upgrade those maybe next time go with a link bar setup
I love these firebirds! these are bucket list cars for me. I would love to have a 2002 WS6 Firehawk T-top
Only if you have this guy's money to pay for it. These are not 500K mile Honda Accords that need nothing but an oil change and brakes every now and again. F bodies are very demanding of your wallet. I've owned 6 of them so I should know.
Car Stuff with El Camino Guy in cool with that 😎 I'm a 20+ year diesel tech with plenty of tools and resources. I'm sure i can build a solid one
Great video. Awesome T/A.
Justin Johnson Thanks Justin!
Shame we did not see more of the actual rebuild...any vids coming on that?
The cam was maxing out before the cfm of the heads?
Glad its back running again
Aggtown1 Me too!!
Oh you had them assemble it along with the machine work. When I saw $3140.00 I almost fell over. I have an older LQ9 it was a Copart Biohazard Special, So I have about 80% of the entire wiring, Have all the necessary wires and just some light harnesses etc. I forget the chemical, but a paramedic friend told me to buy 2-3 gallons of "sanitizer" I bought 10 gallons and then burnt the carcass when I was done and flattened it with my excavator. I am missing one tiny thing, a CAR!
Don't forget we meeting up at bdubs by 72&59 in hoffman states every Sunday around 8:30 for some more Mexico action.spread the word lets have a good time!🔥🔥
great stuff alex!! i had a 04 E55 for about 3 years, they are an absolute blast to drive. stupid fast for what they are. just this last saint patricks day i picked up a 2017 Chevy SS its a great car i am looking forward to modifying the LS3. you earned a sub keep up the great videos
Thanks so much Mike. See you next video.
Mike Batman I got a SIM '17 SS in March and just subscribed too!
Nice were you able to get in on the 20% off?
Mike Batman yes, but was gonna buy the car at full MSRP a week prior had the dealer came down $200 for a new front grille without a license plate already mounted. He didn't budge and thankfully saved me 20%!
Mike Batman yes, but was gonna buy the car at full MSRP a week prior had the dealer came down $200 for a new front grille without a license plate already mounted. He didn't budge and thankfully saved me 20%!
I already had the heads of 99WS6 convertible red and tan transanal in about a short block complete 383 for about 8 grand... It's an Al last one block all aluminium 5.3 liter... I still have your original engine blew the rings at the number 8 hole gonna rebuild that later...
Very clean!
Alex! car is looking good dude, I bought an 89Formula off of you YEARS ago!
BoneStockBird Dude! no way! I totally remember you and the car of course. So cool you found me on here. What's new? Where you living now days?
LegitStreetCars same shit different day dude, living in Schaumburg now, don't have the TA anymore, had a few after that but they were never the same haha miss that car!
BoneStockBird I miss it too. If your on instagram message me on there @legitstreetcars I'm always out with the car cruising
I love these cars. I would like to do this to mine
Fix that sun visor... its driving me crazy lol mine does the same thing
Did the alternator come on top like that or was it originally down below?
Looks amazing. I think that's pretty cheap to be honest. Up here I'd have spent close to 10k for everything you got. Did you do a brake conversion on the front?
Thanks and yes. It's the GEN 1 CTS-V front brake calipers and fifth gen Camaro rotors. I made an install video that's on the channel.
No mention of your labor - what would the part you did cost in a quality shop in your area? Matter of fact what are the labor rates in your city for a GOOD shop capable of doing the entire job start to finish? BTW love your shop at home!!
Huge Firebird fan here. Nice video. Planning on dropping an LS in my third gen. Any suggestions?
TJ R. love 3rd gens. My first car was an 88 GTA,second car was an 89 Formula 350. Talk to hawks 3rd gen. That guy has pretty much everything you need to make it an easy swap. You are going to love the ls
LegitStreetCars Thanks. 350 TPI has oil pressure issues so it's coming out in the fall. Hopefully an LS is going in. Thanks.
Sick car. Sick garage.
Ky Y Thanks Ky
What kind of camera rig and camera are you running for the in the car shots?
What wheels are you running and what tire sizes..it looks fantastic.
i bought a brand new short block subaru ej207 RA STI - virgin - $3,500 + full rebuild heads - $6,000 - don`t mention oil pump head studs = $12.k all day long !
It think that was a fair price... Cost me similar to put forged internals in my RB30 and have the head ported. Then there was $4000 for a proper fuel system, another $3000 for an 850hp capable turbo. Trans was built twice in 6 months, $7500 the first time, $5500 the second time. Then $1500 - $2000 to tune it on the dyno over 5 different sessions. I built the engine myself, installed it all and did my own AN lines for the fuel system. It's damn expensive building fast cars and I'm still left with something that I can only run low 10's in cause I keep breaking the trans on launch at the track, so my 60ft's are terrible. Time for a TH400 and I'll be able to do full boost launches and run that 9 I'm chasing. It's also daily driven... When I go E85 I still have another 20psi left to go with this Garrett turbo (GTX3582R)
Daniel Brealey you spend some 30000 and only runs tens. god dammit man. get it together. i like the weird combo though. is it in a patrol?
I don't know where you went to school matey, but I didn't get $30000 there. I can't 60ft properly cause I keep blowing the built Trimatic. It blew 5 times last year... And it's funny when self anointed "experts" weigh in on stuff like this... You own a quick car yourself? You ever been drag racing in anything faster than a 14 second car? LOL!!! Hilarious. Oh yeah, it all just comes SO easily. It's also still very octane limited on shitty pump fuel and can't be turned up past 20psi right now (where it makes about 500rwhp). It either needs E85 or meth injection. I'd like to see YOUR daily driven 10 second car sport... I just dropped my kid off at school in mine, where's YOUR 10 second car? I'll be waiting eagerly. A little bit of knowledge is dangerous, as they say...
Daniel Brealey 4000 for a fuel system wtf?? two walbro 450's in the tank will get you 850 on e85 even and those are $120 a piece, and 120lb injectors are only like $500 (pardon me im only familiar with prices by the 8 cos im domestic)
I used to be a Trans Am fanatic, Wish I had the resources then that I have now......... I had a MAJOR hard on for a the WS6 package TA.... nice wheels and she got BALLS!
bbigrocker1 Thanks man! Appreciate the sub
Always got to pay to play. and you're right. usually around 5k is the minimum when you're in the 1k plus hp club.
While your in there = intelligence . Alec , as always incredible
Video. Sorry that you had it happen to you... buuuuuut now !!
OMG .... your an amazing Technician. Best wishes buddy
1K hp with stock LS heads!? thats awesome #'s. would you ever consider upraded cnc'd heads, and if so hiw more would she make with a head swap an all else the same? love the sleeper look
Very clean T/A
I broke a lifter in my 434 sbc and it cost me $4000 Total. I put in Morel Ultra Pro Lifters to. They're the best
I bought a 01 ws6 for 9k and it got stolen within 3 weeks, got 13k from insurance though. lol.
Fullcoverage?
Nice lookin car. I think you spent a lot more the needed. I'm not a lucky guy but have reused all but the head gaskets plenty of times. But cars are not a cheap addiction so get us to it....
How much it cost to have 1000hp?,i like TAs they look sick!!! Great vid.
Do you have a video on how to turbo your TA
Never had a LS motor in a car only in a pickup 4.8 . Still looking for a stock 6.2 on the road inspected.
hey man love the videos any chance that you could tell me the websites you used for the parts i am working on a similar build right now. thanks
steadyflexxn 252 Here is my latest article where I include some links and a break down to exactly what the machine shop did.
Hope that helps
awesome car. have the same w m6 and 1/3rd the hp. What were your complete forged engine options?
Phil Barbera The engine has forged Weisco pistons and forged callies rods
900 rwhp? Holy crap man. I have a Z06 with an advertised 650 at crank and I find that to be overpowered. Most people wouldn't be able to get down a straight 4 lane road without wrecking a thing like that
Most people drive stock cars.
earned a new sub 👍 , wish i had the money to do all that but you know how Fbody interior are gotta replace things on that 1st 😔
T/ Anation Thanks!
Are you still running the 4l60e? Can I know the shop that built it?