don't see how this channel isn't in the millions, because Richard will save u money and time on getting the engine u want. i watch listened and built a 410 LS stroker well over 500TQ and pushing 600HP, all from listening to Richard...!!!
@@Born_Stellarwe aren't dying , we are getting crippled and broken lol...I still manage to make my hands work for at least 6hrs a day in my shop, not that I NEED the hours in but more to the point of I LOVE what I do. I remember throwing trans and rear ends around by hand, not the cherry picker lifts EVERYTHING but tires for me. I've prolly put a 100 transmissions in on my back in the ground when I was younger, now it'd literally kill me. At least I got my own shop and set my own pace now. I do the jobs I WANT to now so it's a labor of love not a job for necessity anymore
I remember when I first decided to try to go work in a shop work on cars... I was talking to my dad about it cuz of course that's what he's done all his life. And I was saying how much I love working on cars and so I'd love to do it for a job. He kindly told me that doing it for a job can we'll take the enjoyment out of it. A lot of times. I no longer turn wrenches for a job but I keep my vehicles and my kids vehicles going which turns into a lot of weekends sometimes. But I love fixing things. And it's easier to fix cars than it is people
I don't think everyone truly appreciates the value Richard gives to people for free. The real cost to produce that data is significant. Consider- have a Engine Dyno, a test engine, purchase 4 x genuine Elgin cams. Spend an entire day and fuel fitting and back to back testing. It's amazing we can access the results for no cost. THANK-YOU Richard your tireless testing doesn't go unappreciated!! 😊😊 from Australia
I am so glad that you decided to do a story on these 3 cams. I just found out that the 1.5 existed. I brought the sloppy stage 2 and purchased stage one for a milder build, And never heard the stage 3 but I think I may use the 3 in my main build instead of the 2 because it sounds way more radical but Semi tamed the car is not shaking . I'm guessing the 1.5 is for individuals whom don't want to upgrade cylinder heads but they want a little bit of boost in the kubush you know. Once again teacher you've been a great help I truly appreciate you. Thank you. I would have chimed in live with you today but I have to go eat lunch 😊
I see no point to the 1.0 when the 1.5 offers virtually everything the same down low and more up top. Unless there is significant feel difference below what the dyno can measure, I'd drop it from the product line up.
I was previously running the 1.5 but did not know that's what it was called. In my .020" over 6.0L with factory injectors, 799 heads, and gen 3 intake like Richard was running in this video, it was pretty calm.. Then I swapped to the TBSS intake, and 36 lb./hr. injectors along with the SS2, and a home ported set of 706's and it feels like it gained 100HP. It went from a truck that would barely spin the 315's from a dead stop, to a tire frying machine... Literally if I'm rolling along at 30 mph and stomp it, it will kick down to 1st (4L80E) and demolish the tires... pure smoke show... This combo that I have now is what I would call a starting point on all of my future builds. The 1.5 cam was very easy to tune, had just enough lope at idle that it was noticeable, and got decent gas mileage, but the combo in my opinion left a lot on the table. The new set up is night and day power production compared to the old. Oh, also forgot-Nick Williams 92MM throttle body with the new intake. LOTS of parts changed, but the reward was worth it. I got LEGIT Elgin cams-nothing from Sham-a-zon, or Fleece-Bay.. Those china knock off cams are GARBAGE.. several people have tested them and they rarely match the specs they are sold under, and one guy posted results showing the ground the lobes backwards.. STAY AWAY FROM CHINA CAMS and anything else that is internal engine. If you buy trash, it might destroy your engine... Not worth the risk.
@@diem8093 My local machinist ordered it for me. I have no idea where he got it. It came in a legit ELGIN box, with the correct part #. Check with your local performance machine shop.. they can get the real ones.
I've done that exact combo it works really well and you can even run it on stock converter. With good tuning this cam will idle great at 650 and have enough vacuum for anything ya need.
@@richardholdener1727 sounds easy, next is finding a car to put one in. I'm super green at this with skills that Rate 2/5. The technical knowledge is there, the skills and experience aren't
We sold lots of Elgin, Wolverine, Melling and other cams ground by the big 3 "Detroit" production grinders. Their FT HYD and Mech cams are mostly obsolete however the roller cams can't be that old. I'd check the timing for ANY cam, at least check the springs and do new valve stem seals. Many hot rod cam grinders rebox these cams. The seat durations are given in SAE which is .006 at the valve or .004 with a 1.5 rocker so the durations look a little long compared to say Comp cams which gives durations at .006 at the lifter. These cams are designed to be user installed and trouble, they do not "Push" the lifter side loading, i.e.not a winner for heads up racing but great for brackets. Their FT cams may not be the latest masters but still wear well.
I run the SS3 on a 6.0 with twin vsracing 67/62’s , it’s got ALL the chop at idle!! Hot idle, cold idle, no timing, all the timing, it’s full time CHOP
@@cmovezz3192 for N/A, blower or nitrous stage 3 is great, but for turbo it’s not a good choice. Picked up summit stage 2 turbo cam I’ll be installing in the next week or two
I have done my research over and over, I'm finally about to run a stage one in a LQ4 chevelle with mild boost with a 6 speed(3:55 gears). The stage 2 is to much loss for a manual low compression car, the 1.5 would be great I'm sure, but the pac 1218 springs would be close to there limit. I can't wait for this build to go down !
5-7 horsepower or lbs ft torque aren't going to be noticable on the butt dyno. Heads or power adders will. I wouldn't get too caught up in chasing minimal hp gains. Find the appropriate cam for your application and rpm range then build around that.
That motor is becoming legendary. Bit more work and your into 100bhp/Ltr. What else would you do, set or higher ratio rockers?. That was a lot of work in a short amount of time. Had to catch up with the previous upload, at least you managed to stay awake🙂👍
@@richardholdener1727 I'm now left wondering if the BTR cam that gave 542bhp in the other video, had too much exhaust timing relative to the inlet, it doesn't follow what you'd expect as shown by this Sloppy cam test. Perfect test for that 8-1exhaust though 😆👍
Hey, Richard. Love your videos! Just wanted to mention the audio on this one was a bit rough. I really couldn't hear the engines idling or running, and then you're talking in between sessions was sometimes loud. Only meant as constructive feedback. I wanted to hear those cams!
SS3 in my boat. Only need power from 4500+ and running beehives was needed for marine duty. PTV was close. Can’t imagine with 30 thousands taken off the head!
🤔 I wonder how much of a difference a "performance" intake manifold would make to the stage3, I wouldn't expect much maybe tidy up the lower rpm.. great test👍
Texas speed repackages the SS3 as the ms3 cam. It’s good on a high compression 6.0. The 1 is a good all around cam, the 1.5 is good if your going to run a converter. Imo. I bought a SS3 because it’s $300 and in a bored 6.0 with good heads and a big of nitrous it can’t be beat imo. As long as you buy a converter.
Re: Yesterdays video I was actually replying to a comment when you took it down, but somebody was asking about the 8711R1 in the 5.3 with the Katech heads. I bet you could get really close to 500 with that with the TBSS on top. Like ti see how it would compare to this and similar 500ishhp combos. Speaking of lower lift and valvetrain stability, I'd be curious to see how the Summit Stage 3 8708R1 faired in comparison.
Hey Richard another great and informative video for the Chevy guys lol. I’m a Mopar guy but I still enjoy all of your videos. I going to swap a factory 6.4 hemi non mds cam into my 2010 5.7 hemi. It would be nice to see a comparison of the 5.7 and the 6.4 cams. I chose to go this way because I’ve read that it requires no tuning, and the VVT works with both cams.
Well the factory engines have a narrow band o2 sensor when defaulting over to speed density (full throttle) and a very small range of possible air fuel adjustment. From looking at my copy of hp tuners for those engines the max range of fuel adder based on O2 sensors is about half a point of air fuel ratio. So you can reverse engineer that if the other camshaft "needs no tuning" the power gains are very, very small or it would create a lean detonation condition.
Ya I was wanting to see a stock cam too but he has all those test you can kinda guess and figure it out possibly do some math and fioit the percentage difference
@@james10739of course we can. But that being said we’ve already seen him do other cams extremely similar to those in this video so we could’ve done math to create the entire comparison…. But that’s not the point. As viewers we like to see data. Would’ve been cool to see ALL of the sloppy cams in one video- including the Best. The End
@@hefftoneGA good looking cam only 1 degree of overlap at .050 still. A 110 would make 2 degrees a 108 would make 6 degrees. Around 5 degrees seems to work pretty well with an LS.
@@johnparrish9215 I saw that, but in theory velocity of air gets reduced when it has to make turns. I wanted to know If the exhaust has a bunch of sharp curves to get around suspension/gas tank if it would make a difference to flow.
@@johnparrish9215 strange how that happens, but the dyno shows it to be true. I used to own a car that started life as a 4 / 6 cylinder (same body) and I dropped a SBC in it. The only way to get extractors on it was to weave them between the lower control arms. So they weren't ideal pipes. One of the pipes got a significant flat (maybe 50%) of the pipe diameter hitting the ground over bumps at speed, but it never seemed to make any difference to the power. Looking at it you would have thought otherwise.
@@richardholdener1727 I like the natural cam sound vs the chop. I really wanted to go with the ss3 but did the SS2, really need a stall but rolling 40 this thing lites em up when u stand in it. 7400lb monster, has 5.13s now ( going to drop 3/4 ton axles in soon, poor 10bolt rt now gets beat up) , 243s I ported and had decked, 4.8l flat top pistons, SS2 , gen 4 intake , full long tube exhaust, 4l80e. ua-cam.com/users/shortsGWDoB6UFH3Q?si=8mh15DFwg8hA_PMj
Would have been nice to see "sloppys best cam" along with the others..mainly since that's what Im running, currently, I also have an SS2 on the shelf..
This is exactly what I was thinking; where the Sloppy “Best Cam”. Richard you tested the Sloppy “Best Cam” a year ago against the Truck Norris. Are you saying there’s another Sloppy “Best Cam” out there :confused?
do you have a video of you testing any of these cams with stock heads? ive got 1840p .600 lift springs stock heads tho high volume oil pump everything else like your base build just curious how different it is to something like these trickflow 220 heads your using in this vid. love the content btw!
So how did these cams compare to say big name cams. Texas speed or BTR cams for example. Do they make comparable HP or is it worth buying a better brand name cam. Good stuff as always Thanks Richard
@@richardholdener1727 Ya im not really good with specs so ur saying long as the specs r around the same or the same then should be good right. My mind has never been good with numbers have a really hard time remembering numbers. One thing thats always made me feel stupid. Lately a lot of things been making me feel stupid 😂 So long as specs r same as the name brand should be as good then. Thanks Richard.
Totally unrelated but a serious thought: If you had twin turbos, not compound, 1 small to spool quickly & 1 large to make big top end power, how would that work?
I think you need to build your own LS dyno mule Richard. Sort of like the Gladiator small block. You could call it the Super Ritchie Mule. 4.125 bore and 4.125 stroke to really show THA GAINZ!
Its my new cam on my Silverado SS 6.0 bored 6.2 ,stage 3 cam replace ss2,new 2'' headers replace 1 7/8,and 3600 stall replace 2500, very impatient to see the difference
Hey Richard, great videos!! They're very informative. Quick question, how can I increase low end torque (below 3000 rpm) on an 08 6.0L LS LY6? It's in a 3/4 truck that I tow a 7500lb trailer with. Thanks.
Headers and maybe a small cam with a narrow LSA. Gains below 3k will be minimal. For larger gains down low, it’s either more displacement or boost. Honestly, let it rev. A LY6 makes its peak torque above 3k.
@@jcanfixall1585 I understood it just fine. If you'd like to post the link to the video of this flat top piston TFS headed L33 with a stock cam so I can compare the curves, that' be great.
with a 230/230 do I still generate enough vacuum? I am concerned of the extra costs of getting a big cam like a e-break booster or something. Thanks for your help!
Hi Richard I love your work! Have you tired the even cheaper EBay cam runs around $80 for a stage2 cam or should I go with the Elgin instead. Just feel like it’s made by the same Chinese factory?
How would a l92 react to a ss3 cam? do you think it would be a good fit? Also being a bigger cid engine do you think cam timing could help any power loss lower in the rpm’s?
@@richardholdener1727 thank u for the reply do you think that cam timing could correct any of that or would I run into piston valve clearance issues? I’m only suggesting 4 or so degrees
Im midding an Ls4 GXP so considering my trans selections i chise to keep my cam moderate and went with Elgin 1839/SS1.5 and its my daily so running at or over .600 lift is hard on valvetrain so im goin tbss, 50# injectors, 1839, obd macimizer headers, ill free. Up exhaust as best i can and choose the 4t80 with appropriate final drive and 3njoy my ride. And maybe down road ill add some squeeze,,,,,,
How are people’s experience with the Amazon sloppy stage 2 cam and lifter kits ? I hear so much about the experience about the cams but never the lifters that you can get with any of the many cam kits available or any other components that come with them . Would really love to know because I have a 5.3 that I’m trying to decide how I’ll build wether it’s all ls7 lifters and a btr or call it a day at a 500 dollar sloppy stage 2 kit with everything
It's already been done the videos are on UA-cam the name of the videos is CE performance crate engine builds from 2 years ago. He also built one with a 283 crank. Very high winding but not much power output. Especially down low.
@@cedricwilson2055 no not necessarily true a 377 is a very large bore short stroke engine. My engine was a 4.155 bore. It made 625hp and 535 lb ft of torque. Albeit at higher rpm, but when I added the nitrous it was insane torque
@@richardholdener1727 That’s why I asked what the LSA was first.And also why I said imagine as in I don’t know but I’m guessing the LSA is higher then optimal for peak output.
862 Send it! Higher compression more torque and power below 6k RPM! Hey Richard! Would you recommend those EBay/Amazon Cams there low prices are attractive but not trying to get a cheeply made cam?
don't see how this channel isn't in the millions, because Richard will save u money and time on getting the engine u want. i watch listened and built a 410 LS stroker well over 500TQ and pushing 600HP, all from listening to Richard...!!!
congrats
lol, because no one works on stuff anymore. we are a dying breed, people who work on their own cars.
@@Born_Stellarwe aren't dying , we are getting crippled and broken lol...I still manage to make my hands work for at least 6hrs a day in my shop, not that I NEED the hours in but more to the point of I LOVE what I do. I remember throwing trans and rear ends around by hand, not the cherry picker lifts EVERYTHING but tires for me. I've prolly put a 100 transmissions in on my back in the ground when I was younger, now it'd literally kill me. At least I got my own shop and set my own pace now. I do the jobs I WANT to now so it's a labor of love not a job for necessity anymore
I remember when I first decided to try to go work in a shop work on cars... I was talking to my dad about it cuz of course that's what he's done all his life. And I was saying how much I love working on cars and so I'd love to do it for a job. He kindly told me that doing it for a job can we'll take the enjoyment out of it. A lot of times. I no longer turn wrenches for a job but I keep my vehicles and my kids vehicles going which turns into a lot of weekends sometimes. But I love fixing things. And it's easier to fix cars than it is people
@@ls_812 agree 💯 but unfortunately I'm stuck in my rut of sore back and arthritis ridden hands lol
I don't think everyone truly appreciates the value Richard gives to people for free. The real cost to produce that data is significant. Consider- have a Engine Dyno, a test engine, purchase 4 x genuine Elgin cams. Spend an entire day and fuel fitting and back to back testing. It's amazing we can access the results for no cost. THANK-YOU Richard your tireless testing doesn't go unappreciated!! 😊😊 from Australia
For those asking... SS3 is 238/242 @ .050, .595" lift on both, 112 LSA.
I'm shocked that it fit, I think with the big intake valves on the rec port heads it would probably not fit.
Good to know! @@slicksloth_416
@slicksloth_416 how do you like it? Do it again?
@@trevorstrauss9978wayy to big for a street car. I have one in 6.0.
@@Cultofpersonality09129 stage 3?
Well damn, my converter grabs at 4k, I might as well throw the SS3 back in! Thanks Richard!!
I've been waiting on this one for YEARS! I have the SS3 and I love it
What's the motor ?
What engine you running?
Respect the work put into these videos, this channel is a goldmine of info.
I am so glad that you decided to do a story on these 3 cams. I just found out that the 1.5 existed. I brought the sloppy stage 2 and purchased stage one for a milder build, And never heard the stage 3 but I think I may use the 3 in my main build instead of the 2 because it sounds way more radical but Semi tamed the car is not shaking . I'm guessing the 1.5 is for individuals whom don't want to upgrade cylinder heads but they want a little bit of boost in the kubush you know. Once again teacher you've been a great help I truly appreciate you. Thank you. I would have chimed in live with you today but I have to go eat lunch 😊
I see no point to the 1.0 when the 1.5 offers virtually everything the same down low and more up top. Unless there is significant feel difference below what the dyno can measure, I'd drop it from the product line up.
I was previously running the 1.5 but did not know that's what it was called. In my .020" over 6.0L with factory injectors, 799 heads, and gen 3 intake like Richard was running in this video, it was pretty calm.. Then I swapped to the TBSS intake, and 36 lb./hr. injectors along with the SS2, and a home ported set of 706's and it feels like it gained 100HP. It went from a truck that would barely spin the 315's from a dead stop, to a tire frying machine... Literally if I'm rolling along at 30 mph and stomp it, it will kick down to 1st (4L80E) and demolish the tires... pure smoke show... This combo that I have now is what I would call a starting point on all of my future builds. The 1.5 cam was very easy to tune, had just enough lope at idle that it was noticeable, and got decent gas mileage, but the combo in my opinion left a lot on the table. The new set up is night and day power production compared to the old. Oh, also forgot-Nick Williams 92MM throttle body with the new intake. LOTS of parts changed, but the reward was worth it. I got LEGIT Elgin cams-nothing from Sham-a-zon, or Fleece-Bay.. Those china knock off cams are GARBAGE.. several people have tested them and they rarely match the specs they are sold under, and one guy posted results showing the ground the lobes backwards.. STAY AWAY FROM CHINA CAMS and anything else that is internal engine. If you buy trash, it might destroy your engine... Not worth the risk.
Solid info thanks
what website did you get the cam from?
@@diem8093 My local machinist ordered it for me. I have no idea where he got it. It came in a legit ELGIN box, with the correct part #. Check with your local performance machine shop.. they can get the real ones.
I also have a 6.0 gen 4 and I would like to know would which max cam can I use with stock pistons. (Daily use RCSB)
I've had my eye on the 1.5 for a while now. It will go in a 6.0 LQ4 with 862/706 heads. It should make for a fun street engine in a heavy truck!
Nice! I’m doing the same with the new Sloppy Best Cam in a Jeep XJ on 37s.
I've done that exact combo it works really well and you can even run it on stock converter. With good tuning this cam will idle great at 650 and have enough vacuum for anything ya need.
@@MrPhukyew Any idea what your power numbers were? I've been guessing it would make around 460/460.
im running ss2 in 2500hd 706 heads headers great truck motor. tow and play.pull 30 ft camper with lop and no converter its great
@@Ninelinegarage at the wheels it would probably be closer to the low 400s or high 300s depending on many other factors.
Ive been an import guy my whole life and now I want to build a N/A LS V8.
This channel has been awesome. Still dont know where to start.
start at the junkyard with a 5.3L
@@richardholdener1727 sounds easy, next is finding a car to put one in. I'm super green at this with skills that Rate 2/5.
The technical knowledge is there, the skills and experience aren't
We sold lots of Elgin, Wolverine, Melling and other cams ground by the big 3 "Detroit" production grinders. Their FT HYD and Mech cams are mostly obsolete however the roller cams can't be that old. I'd check the timing for ANY cam, at least check the springs and do new valve stem seals. Many hot rod cam grinders rebox these cams. The seat durations are given in SAE which is .006 at the valve or .004 with a 1.5 rocker so the durations look a little long compared to say Comp cams which gives durations at .006 at the lifter. These cams are designed to be user installed and trouble, they do not "Push" the lifter side loading, i.e.not a winner for heads up racing but great for brackets. Their FT cams may not be the latest masters but still wear well.
Thanks for orchestrating such a comprehensive test! 👍🏼👍🏼
Awesome info from the best.
I run the SS3 on a 6.0 with twin vsracing 67/62’s , it’s got ALL the chop at idle!! Hot idle, cold idle, no timing, all the timing, it’s full time CHOP
Any time you get over 230 on the intake it is pretty hard to tame the idle no matter what you do. Not that you would want to, but if you did...
@@cmovezz3192 for N/A, blower or nitrous stage 3 is great, but for turbo it’s not a good choice. Picked up summit stage 2 turbo cam I’ll be installing in the next week or two
@@cmovezz3192 just using the pac 1219’s I have, summit said the pac 1218’s or 19’s are fine with that cam and the ones I have maybe 1000 miles on them
1.5 looks like a winner for me. SUV used on streets and offroad.
Thank you Richard. Great data!
I have done my research over and over, I'm finally about to run a stage one in a LQ4 chevelle with mild boost with a 6 speed(3:55 gears).
The stage 2 is to much loss for a manual low compression car, the 1.5 would be great I'm sure, but the pac 1218 springs would be close to there limit. I can't wait for this build to go down !
I would have liked to hear each cam at an idle for a few moments. Some guys like me aren’t worried about every point of HP or torque. Idle sound!
Are you after smooth idle or lope?
there is idle in the clips
Boooo we ( and when I say we it probably just means me) the best cam too! Thanks for the comparison video sir. Didn’t realize there was a 1.5
You're the man Richard!
I have the sloppy stage 1.5 in my ls swapped 94 1500 and it does perty good.
5-7 horsepower or lbs ft torque aren't going to be noticable on the butt dyno. Heads or power adders will. I wouldn't get too caught up in chasing minimal hp gains. Find the appropriate cam for your application and rpm range then build around that.
Would it be possible to get some idle vacuum numbers for cam reviews. I still like my power brakes.
Get a vaccum pump and canister
That motor is becoming legendary. Bit more work and your into 100bhp/Ltr.
What else would you do, set or higher ratio rockers?.
That was a lot of work in a short amount of time. Had to catch up with the previous upload, at least you managed to stay awake🙂👍
please see the 542-hp 5.3l vids
@@richardholdener1727 I'm now left wondering if the BTR cam that gave 542bhp in the other video, had too much exhaust timing relative to the inlet, it doesn't follow what you'd expect as shown by this Sloppy cam test.
Perfect test for that 8-1exhaust though 😆👍
Hey, Richard. Love your videos! Just wanted to mention the audio on this one was a bit rough. I really couldn't hear the engines idling or running, and then you're talking in between sessions was sometimes loud. Only meant as constructive feedback. I wanted to hear those cams!
AGREED, it slightly irritated me as well
Great comparison!
thnx
When you went thru 1 thru 3 I was like man to bad he didn't get the 1.5 but then BAM
Great test 👌
SS3 in my boat. Only need power from 4500+ and running beehives was needed for marine duty. PTV was close. Can’t imagine with 30 thousands taken off the head!
Did u end up with the stage 3 ? How do u like it?
What’s the setup?
This is awesome data! Your edits are great!
Glad it was helpful!
@@richardholdener1727 Can you explain how advancing and retarding would change their useable powerband RPM ranges please? Thanks in advance…
Yes to chassis dyno in the background that was a nice treat 😂
Ive ran the 2 and 3, loved both of em will do it again.
I bought the $80 ebay versions though 😂😂😂
How many miles did you put on them any issues?
Any update on them?
🤔 I wonder how much of a difference a "performance" intake manifold would make to the stage3, I wouldn't expect much maybe tidy up the lower rpm.. great test👍
Finally the SS3! Now do the TN on a LY6 (make sure it has rec port heads)!
Texas speed repackages the SS3 as the ms3 cam. It’s good on a high compression 6.0. The 1 is a good all around cam, the 1.5 is good if your going to run a converter. Imo. I bought a SS3 because it’s $300 and in a bored 6.0 with good heads and a big of nitrous it can’t be beat imo. As long as you buy a converter.
Re: Yesterdays video I was actually replying to a comment when you took it down, but somebody was asking about the 8711R1 in the 5.3 with the Katech heads. I bet you could get really close to 500 with that with the TBSS on top. Like ti see how it would compare to this and similar 500ishhp combos. Speaking of lower lift and valvetrain stability, I'd be curious to see how the Summit Stage 3 8708R1 faired in comparison.
I would love to see the Truck Norris vs. Torquer V4!
Hey Richard another great and informative video for the Chevy guys lol. I’m a Mopar guy but I still enjoy all of your videos. I going to swap a factory 6.4 hemi non mds cam into my 2010 5.7 hemi. It would be nice to see a comparison of the 5.7 and the 6.4 cams. I chose to go this way because I’ve read that it requires no tuning, and the VVT works with both cams.
Well the factory engines have a narrow band o2 sensor when defaulting over to speed density (full throttle) and a very small range of possible air fuel adjustment. From looking at my copy of hp tuners for those engines the max range of fuel adder based on O2 sensors is about half a point of air fuel ratio. So you can reverse engineer that if the other camshaft "needs no tuning" the power gains are very, very small or it would create a lean detonation condition.
6.4 is awesome coming from cheby guy
Fyi ur doing sloppy central PROUD!!!!! Thank you for ur service lol
Put a ss3 in my 56 Chevy truck, all the chop, kinda soggy down low but turned on .
Bro u got a new sub and like. 👍 You got right to the point, it's nice to see du ở back to back comparison of these different cam stages.
welcome
Surprised and sad the Best cam wasn’t included
Ya I was wanting to see a stock cam too but he has all those test you can kinda guess and figure it out possibly do some math and fioit the percentage difference
@@james10739of course we can. But that being said we’ve already seen him do other cams extremely similar to those in this video so we could’ve done math to create the entire comparison…. But that’s not the point. As viewers we like to see data. Would’ve been cool to see ALL of the sloppy cams in one video- including the Best. The End
Shame the stage 1.5 isn't on a tighter lobe seperation a 108 or 110 would make it a ripper little street cam.
Check into the Sloppy "Best"
@@hefftoneGA good looking cam only 1 degree of overlap at .050 still. A 110 would make 2 degrees a 108 would make 6 degrees.
Around 5 degrees seems to work pretty well with an LS.
Would you do a video on the Chinese cams on ebay?
THE ONES I HAVE LOOKED AT DON'T QUALIFY AS CAMS
Richard, have you ever tested if an exhaust with lots of curves and turns affects power vs one that doesn't?
Over at Enginemasters they dented the hell out of a set of headers before they could measure a meaningful difference..
@@johnparrish9215 I saw that, but in theory velocity of air gets reduced when it has to make turns. I wanted to know If the exhaust has a bunch of sharp curves to get around suspension/gas tank if it would make a difference to flow.
don't worry about the flow change, just build the exhaust
@@johnparrish9215 strange how that happens, but the dyno shows it to be true. I used to own a car that started life as a 4 / 6 cylinder (same body) and I dropped a SBC in it. The only way to get extractors on it was to weave them between the lower control arms. So they weren't ideal pipes. One of the pipes got a significant flat (maybe 50%) of the pipe diameter hitting the ground over bumps at speed, but it never seemed to make any difference to the power. Looking at it you would have thought otherwise.
I couldn't hear the choppy idle. I would like to see torque cams tested. Find the best usable street cams for a big block.
I'm the type of guy who puts the SS3 cam in a 5.3, for the chop. You gotta have chop. 😛
chop chop chop
@@richardholdener1727 I like the natural cam sound vs the chop. I really wanted to go with the ss3 but did the SS2, really need a stall but rolling 40 this thing lites em up when u stand in it. 7400lb monster, has 5.13s now ( going to drop 3/4 ton axles in soon, poor 10bolt rt now gets beat up) , 243s I ported and had decked, 4.8l flat top pistons, SS2 , gen 4 intake , full long tube exhaust, 4l80e.
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2:55 caught me off guard brah. Shot Dr Pepper out of my nose 😆
Texas speed has this stage 3 cam as their MS3 cam.
Would have been nice to see "sloppys best cam" along with the others..mainly since that's what Im running, currently, I also have an SS2 on the shelf..
How would anyone know what the best cam is without knowing the exact specs and usage of your build? That's a very specific thing.
Sloppy Best cam is a new cam offered by Matt Sloppy
This is exactly what I was thinking; where the Sloppy “Best Cam”.
Richard you tested the Sloppy “Best Cam” a year ago against the Truck Norris. Are you saying there’s another Sloppy “Best Cam” out there :confused?
Yes the sloppy best cam is its own cam. Really close to the 1.5 just a fuzz tighter LSA
Trying to figure my set up out. I have Lq4 with 317 heads thinking about a ss2. Trying to at least get to 450rwhp but wouldn’t mind more
that combo won't get you to 450 whp
Love to hear the idol x 3
do you have a video of you testing any of these cams with stock heads? ive got 1840p .600 lift springs stock heads tho high volume oil pump everything else like your base build just curious how different it is to something like these trickflow 220 heads your using in this vid. love the content btw!
the spread is still similar-less to start and less to end
Would advancing the cam 2-4 deg bring some of the torque back down low?
Probably not enough piston to valve clearance on those bigger cams
Advance will increase low end torque. Go the other way and you lose torque, but increase high-end HP.
Are these the cheap china Ebay/amazon versions? They usually come in unmarked boxes.
no-these were from Elgin (real deal Sloppy Cams)
So how did these cams compare to say big name cams.
Texas speed or BTR cams for example. Do they make comparable HP or is it worth buying a better brand name cam.
Good stuff as always
Thanks Richard
you buy cam specs-not names
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Ya im not really good with specs so ur saying long as the specs r around the same or the same then should be good right. My mind has never been good with numbers have a really hard time remembering numbers. One thing thats always made me feel stupid. Lately a lot of things been making me feel stupid 😂
So long as specs r same as the name brand should be as good then.
Thanks Richard.
Totally unrelated but a serious thought: If you had twin turbos, not compound, 1 small to spool quickly & 1 large to make big top end power, how would that work?
sequential turbos-works well
driving down level road at about 50 MPH ....all ... you need to do this is about 20-40 Horsepower......you know this as well as i do.......
Im curious what a junkyard motor completely stock minus springs and ss2 and ss3 cam power numbers
Im curious on what max cam could be used with stock pistons on a gen 4 6.0
I love your ear protection... 😂
You have AMAZING dentures dude!
Where did you get them?
I need to get my 88 year old dad there because your dentures are GREAT! 👍
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I think you need to build your own LS dyno mule Richard. Sort of like the Gladiator small block. You could call it the Super Ritchie Mule. 4.125 bore and 4.125 stroke to really show THA GAINZ!
Thing is most aren’t building sbe an head and or cam intake and roll out
What would be the best cam for a lifted truck and for hauling and towing?
A small one
L33 w/ SS3 and M1 please!!!
I’m wondering what was the power numbers with the stock cam compared to these other cams
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what are the cam specs on the SS3 Great work
595, 238/242, 112
Its my new cam on my Silverado SS 6.0 bored 6.2 ,stage 3 cam replace ss2,new 2'' headers replace 1 7/8,and 3600 stall replace 2500, very impatient to see the difference
How you like the stage 3 compared to the 2? I’m building a 6.0 30 over and can’t decide on which one to use. It’s gonna go in a 95 Chevy single cab
I dont finished my motor,i will convert my stage 3 in solid lifters,i will try to complete this summer
What made you wanna change from the stage 2 to the 3?
Hey Richard, great videos!! They're very informative. Quick question, how can I increase low end torque (below 3000 rpm) on an 08 6.0L LS LY6? It's in a 3/4 truck that I tow a 7500lb trailer with. Thanks.
Truck Norris is close.....
Boost
If you follow Richard at all you'll know that you can make more torque by increasing your runner length.
Roots style supercharger
Headers and maybe a small cam with a narrow LSA. Gains below 3k will be minimal. For larger gains down low, it’s either more displacement or boost.
Honestly, let it rev. A LY6 makes its peak torque above 3k.
Thankyou!
You're welcome!
Wish you also had a stock cam in there so there was a baseline
You probably wish you understood the video as well...
@@jcanfixall1585 I understood it just fine. If you'd like to post the link to the video of this flat top piston TFS headed L33 with a stock cam so I can compare the curves, that' be great.
@@stlchucko he has a few stock cam baseline videos. They usually start the same down low and roll off earlier, due to the short duration
Curious how long it takes you to do a cam swap on the dyno mule ?
with a 230/230 do I still generate enough vacuum? I am concerned of the extra costs of getting a big cam like a e-break booster or something. Thanks for your help!
Hi Richard I love your work! Have you tired the even cheaper EBay cam runs around $80 for a stage2 cam or should I go with the Elgin instead. Just feel like it’s made by the same Chinese factory?
Elgin is not China
Hello im doing lifters and camshaft shaft on my 5.3 vortec what would be the best besides oem
Thank you
How would a l92 react to a ss3 cam? do you think it would be a good fit? Also being a bigger cid engine do you think cam timing could help any power loss lower in the rpm’s?
the SS3 cam will work on a 6.2L. It will lose power down low-but it has more to start with on a bigger motor.
@@richardholdener1727 thank u for the reply do you think that cam timing could correct any of that or would I run into piston valve clearance issues? I’m only suggesting 4 or so degrees
Is there a video with the stage 3 in a gen 3 5.3 and 243 heads
I did test the Sloppy Stage 3 cam-that video is up
@@richardholdener1727 okay I'll try to find it
Im midding an Ls4 GXP so considering my trans selections i chise to keep my cam moderate and went with Elgin 1839/SS1.5 and its my daily so running at or over .600 lift is hard on valvetrain so im goin tbss, 50# injectors, 1839, obd macimizer headers, ill free. Up exhaust as best i can and choose the 4t80 with appropriate final drive and 3njoy my ride. And maybe down road ill add some squeeze,,,,,,
Hey Richard im looking for a cam for a 383 i don't want to really hear it wich way should i go i really appreciate you
383 ls?
@richardholdener1727 SBC
@@richardholdener1727 sbc 383
@richardholdener1727 Hey Richard, sorry for the late reply, but it's an Sbc 383
Good morning 🐱
Any info on the sloppy "Best" cam?
see the sloppy best cam video
How are people’s experience with the Amazon sloppy stage 2 cam and lifter kits ? I hear so much about the experience about the cams but never the lifters that you can get with any of the many cam kits available or any other components that come with them . Would really love to know because I have a 5.3 that I’m trying to decide how I’ll build wether it’s all ls7 lifters and a btr or call it a day at a 500 dollar sloppy stage 2 kit with everything
don't buy cheap lifters
Any chance of a 400 block 327 crankshaft combo build?
It's already been done the videos are on UA-cam the name of the videos is CE performance crate engine builds from 2 years ago. He also built one with a 283 crank. Very high winding but not much power output. Especially down low.
The engine in my profile picture is a 377 it loved to rev to 7500 rpm with a 650 solid roller and fully ported brodix track 1s 227cc
Frieburger ran a 372 at one time on em
Basically a 377 mirrors any other small cube engine. More displacement more torque. 406 more torque than a 377
@@cedricwilson2055 no not necessarily true a 377 is a very large bore short stroke engine. My engine was a 4.155 bore. It made 625hp and 535 lb ft of torque. Albeit at higher rpm, but when I added the nitrous it was insane torque
What's the best pac valves for sloppy stage 3 cam ?
I have not run PAC springs
1219 is what I run with ss3 on a 5.3
How much fuel do you push through those 80# injectors? Jw if your going all out with the fuel or if the air is limiting the hp
plenty of fuel left-we also tested e85
Question man can use sloppy stage 2 an make 1200whp or will I need a bigger cam
you can make that even with a smaller cam-the turbo dictates the power output
Do you think the ss3 would have ptv issues in a lq9 with ls3 heads?
yes
How would the sloppy stage 2 camshaft perform with a 5.3 l engine that has 11 to 1 compression?
same as it does with any other compression ratio. The compression just adds power to any cam
What’s the LSA on these cams this makes a lot of difference I imagine all these cams probably have to much LSA.
too much for what? and you don't even know what the LSA is
@@richardholdener1727 That’s why I asked what the LSA was first.And also why I said imagine as in I don’t know but I’m guessing the LSA is higher then optimal for peak output.
What about nitrous instead of turbo for that big stage 3 cam
not sure we see much unless M1 or M5
How much are you guys paying for these junkyard ls engines? And they plentyful in the secondhand market
lots in wrecking yards
@@richardholdener1727 any idea what a LS2 would roughly cost? I'm thinking about shipping one over to Ireland
Did you need to upgrade valve springs to run that stage 3 cam
we already had springs
Would have been better to have been done with a factory head not aftermarket one not many people have aftermarket heads on their cammed ls
just starts lower and ends lower with stock heads
Will the sloppy stage 3 cam have enough valve clearance on a stock Gen 3 5.3 with stock pistons & stock 706 heads?
yes
Thanks for the info! Appreciate it. @@richardholdener1727
@richardholdener1727 what would you have to look out for if you did rich? Any to worry about
What are the power numbers for that engine with a stock cam?
less than 400
Did they all share the same lobe seperation?
all but the SS1 had 112 lsa, the SS1 had 114
I REALLY NEED AN ANSWER..DID YOU DEGREE THE CAMS
why do you really need an answer...but the answer is no
So you don’t have to degree the cam in ls engines?
You can-I generally do not (because most don't-they just swap and go dot to dot)
Thank you sir. I just ordered a stage 2 for my l92 build and was kinda nervous.
a lot of power for a 4.8 L atmospheric engine
this was a 5.3L-please see the 542-hp 5.3l vids
If I run stage 2 on a set of 062 vortec heads what need to be done? Thanks all John
these are ls motors
I have the ss3 in a lq4 which heads should I use I have 862 5.3 heads and 823 ls3 heads
823 MAKES A LOT MORE POWER-BUT LOWERS COMPRESSION
@@richardholdener1727 yeah that’s why I’m trying to get an opinion on which to use for a street car
862 Send it! Higher compression more torque and power below 6k RPM! Hey Richard! Would you recommend those EBay/Amazon Cams there low prices are attractive but not trying to get a cheeply made cam?