This really was a beautifully made video that has highlighted a character I've never even heard of and I love that two of my favorite starwars-oriented channels collaborate so often. Thank you for doing what you do Evan.
We hope you guys enjoy our second Collaborative match up. Also just for the record, due to the radically different Equipment Connor and I use, there may be points in the Vid where the audio differential is a bit off, though its not nearly as bad as last time so we hope you enjoy none the less!
EvanNova95 1. Lucke Skywalker (EU) and Yoda vs Darth Plagueis and Darth Kraiyt (Season 5 Finale). 2. Corran Horn vs Obi-Wan Kenobi . 3. Darth Malgus vs Kyle Katarn. 4. Tenel Ka Djo vs Marasiah Fel. 5. Kyp Durron vs Mace Windu. 6. Jaina Solo vs. Galen Marek 7. K'Kruhk (Gran Master) and Jaina Solo Fel vs Count Dooku and Darth Sidious.
EvanNova95 Do the Story of the Yuuzhan Vong War. How it began. the 3 most important battles. And the end of the war. Maybe 2 videos Part 1 and Part 2 of the story
I haven't heard of either of these characters...which makes me want to watch it that much more. You've expanded my love of star wars across the galaxy. I wish you would do more the story of videos. Your Darth Krayt video was incredible
I actually don't have much of a problem with the verdict or the analysis of how Eeth Koth would react to Draay's fighting pattern. I'm simply uncomfortable stating with any measure of certainty that Koth was likely to have formed his style with Makashi as a base. While a hybridized form is not out of the question, the only discernible reason for Koth fighting primarily one-handed in that engagement (the only true lightsaber duel I've ever seen him in) was because he was injured. This appeared more like something done out of necessity rather than a kind of signature attribute of his personal style. His tactical retreat during the fight was also something that seemed necessitated by the circumstances. He wasn't just facing Grievous; the cyborg was surrounded by magnaguards to back him up. It's a tough fight from which to draw any concrete conclusions about Koth's usual conduct in battle because of the situation he was in. Adding to that, the majority of comic panels I've seen him in depict him wielding his saber with a two handed grip. Most importantly though, as was pointed out in the video, he was strong in areas where Makashi was weak. That last point along with the fact Koth and his student the, "Howlrunner," were famed for their prowess throughout countless large-scale battles and skirmishes lead me to believe he would not have been likely to have built his skill set around Form II. I'm inclined to think that he was versed with either Form V or else held a dual-specialization with emphasis on Form VI and one of the other styles. As with Connor's analysis of Shaak Ti vs. Zannah where the former slightly weaker character gained an advantage over the stronger though more straightforward character, I'm inclined to think the edge went to the wrong character. But this isn't a big deal because I agree with the major principle involved in the ruling. I think that Draay should have actually gotten the edge for Force abilities purely on a technical level even though Koth's powers are more likely to affect the final outcome. But as indicated this is more a slight difference of opinion in how Connor and I decide to grant a character the edge in the category of Force abilities. Overall, I enjoyed the video. Just offering my two cents. I don't seriously disagree with the larger ideas or analogies involved with the argument itself.
Mark Lee No. I think I pretty much said all I had to say. This was a rare occasion where my mind wasn't already made up before I went in to the video...and for the most part I found their argument convincing. So I guess I agree with the verdict. Just not all of the logic they presented on the way to the verdict itself.
Solid and well-made collaboration as always, but I'm not sure I agree with some of the conclusions either of you have reached here. For one thing, it's kind of a stretch to analyze Koth as a Form II user (at least as his primary form) based on the one duel with Grievous. For one thing, he was injured in that fight when a commando droid shot him in the arm, forcing him into a one-handed posture. For another, his default stance seems to be a two-handed grip and while he isn't a straight up power duelist, that along with his "hack and slash" approach and tendency to redirect attacks suggest Djem So or Shien. Though he probably incorporated some Makashi techniques, I doubt it formed the basis of his style especially as a battlefield Jedi. Form II was considered largely obsolete in an era where most of the Jedi's enemies wielded blasters. Second, based on what little I've seen of Koth there's nothing suggesting that he holds any advantage in the Force over Lucien--a guy that can clear an entire hanger bay full of multi-ton droids and other large objects almost casually. Hell, he was noted as comparable to (though not greater than) fucking *Galen Marek* in one of Jen's own matches. What has Koth done? He landed a powerful Force push on Grievous and smashed him into a wall in the TCW duel; that isn't anything special, just a natural disadvantage that Grievous has against Force users. Crucitorn is a neat ability, but it only enhanced his natural Zabrak toughness and won't necessarily keep him alive if Draay starts mashing him into a pulp with TK. On a less critical note--I see that you note Draay as well-suited to taking on Anakin. That'd be an interesting matchup for sure, a renowned Form I powerhouse versus the best Form V duelist of the Clone Wars era. Also do you think that Form I masters are vulnerable to Vaapad due to how they release themselves into the Force or would their light side connection negate that?
Most likely, Koth was a Makashi/Ataru/Shien/Niman hybrid practitioner, with a bigger emphasis on the latter 3. Think Luminara Unduli, but more loose and adaptive.
Are you sure about him being versed in Shien/Djem So ? None of his attacks are particularly heavy-handed, even before being shot in the arm, he was already using a one hand grip. If anything, I'm more convinced that Koth rather used Soresu alongside Ataru, Niman and Makashi (the latter being the least developed, just took footwork, evasion and one-hand grip from it) for his personal fighting style. The way he deflects bolts from the Commando droids, he even uses the Form III salute against Vader in the (ughhh) "canon" comics. As a whole, Koth was a mix between a poorman Kao Cen Darach and a more flexible Luminara Unduli.
Eeth Koth utilized forms 3 & 4. But form 4 is the only form he actually mastered. That’s been stated as much. I forget where, I think in either one of the visual dictionaries or clone wars campaign guide, I can’t remember where, but I know Ataru was Koth’s only mastered form. Backed up with Soresu. Basically the direct opposite of Kenobi; soresu master backed up by an Ataru offensive when he needs it; Koth was an Ataru master backed up by soresu (though not nearly to the degree as Kenobi mastered his secondary form).
Okay, I have a suggestion. How about you do another versus video about non-force users. Like Boba Fett vs. Hk-47 I would love to see it happen! Make it real!!!
Great video guys and a hilarious beginning lol. Would love to see another collaboration putting two of the best form 1 specialists ever. Fisto vs Draay.
DUDE AM IN LOVE WITH STAR WARS AND YOUR VIDS =D i hope u make tones more versus series and i have to ask are u gonna do star wars video games like play the famouse one cuze dat would be awsome and congrats on 62 subscribers in my opinion u deserve a million more subs
love the start up anyone shocked that jensaarai1 didn't get annoyed with saying eeth koth was alive in clone wars given he died when a gunship that he was on was shot down
great Collab. i loved the lightsaber RL demonstrations shown as examples here, could you please show the links for those videos? Also, go Koth, show what you can really do!
My lightsaber style would be a nasty blend of makashi, seresu, and djem so, with just enough niman, and jar kai to scare the hell out of my opponent. Great video. Thanks.
A little bit of audio difference at the very end, but I didn't notice any earlier. Anyhow, very nice, especially the Eeth Koth analysis. You went a different direction than what I expected, and I feel like you educated me. :)
Great matchup I highly enjoyed and agree with the verdict so disappointing that no one else has used eeth koth in their Verses series he’s so underrated
Thumbs up for Koth! I don't even care if he wins or not (Haven't finished watching) just the fact that he's getting mainstream attention is cool enough for me :)
@@brothersmakingmovies Now we do, the crappy Disney canon states he was kicked out of the Order for having an affair with a Zabrak woman, and after Order 66, he posed as a priest, had a baby with said woman....until Vader found him, they fought, he was slayed and his daughter taken by Vader to be inducted into the Inquisitorius or something.
What a very unusual match up guys. Loved the music and of course the passion you guys put into this video, it really does show. :) As for future matches here are some suggestions: Mace Windu vs Count Dooku Darth Sideous vs Darth Krayt Jensaarai1 if you don't mind me asking I like to hear your opinion on something. Is it better to be a master of all lightsaber forms or just be a Master of one? For ex does someone like Darth Krayt (the poster boy of Niman in my opinion) have a chance against someone like Sideous Mace or Yoda? Also Evannova95 if you don't mind me asking this question, I remember in your Ludo Kresh vs Darth Plagueis video that what Darth Traya said about the ancient sith being poor sword masters was false. Could you explain a snipet of how that is true? I want to stress that I don't doubt your statement in the slightest, I'm just curious thats all. Thank you both for including Lucien it was a real special treat to see him.
i would really like to see a versus series between darth nihilus vs. darth lumiya. or something with darth nihilus. by the way i really love your channel and love all your videos. great job!
InSanic Antoine will be having a vote video on either Grievous vs PROXY or Grievous vs Pong Krell. Really hard to decide what matchup I want to see more than the other (ideally, I want to see both :D )
Could you do a video on Darth Jadus? He's a tragically underused character from SWTOR and was speculated to have power that rivalled even the Emperor's. I think an interesting battle between him and some other darths could be debated.
The Inquisitor Vs Assajj Ventress Darth Sidious Vs Satele Shan Fire Lord Zukoh Vs Assajj Ventress (I know you don't do Avatar Matchups, but it'd still be interesting to see) Luke Skywalker Vs Joe Jabeeble Barriss Offee Vs Savage Oppress
nice vid, as always. maybe for next time you collab with Jensaarai, balance out the volume of the voices a bit better. you sound very loud compared to Jensaraai. also, for a future episode. have we seen Darth maul yet? i'd love to see you cover him although i don't really have an interesting opponent in mind for him.
True Drake I used him way back in my Satele Shan VS Darth Maul vid, though I Wouldn't recommend checking because it's terrible. I do have plans to use Maul in the future, don't worry.
You should do an entry on everything you know about the seven lightsaber forms. You could talk about characters who use each style, and variations of each form.
Great vid as usual guys. I must say though, I respectfully disagree with your breakdown of Eeth's duelling skills. while i do agree that makashi is certainly a prevalent component, I don't agree that it's the 'basis' but the approach he favoured to make his style more nuanced and workable. going through the battle on the steadfast's bridge i'd say that Koths style was rooted in soresu, had an offensive element sourced from shii-cho, and blending the two with makashi technique and tactics. the reasoning behind this theory being the following: during the initial fire fight, instead of moving in and engaging the most viable target, Koth stood his ground deflecting every blast using articulation in the shoulders and elbows rather than his wrists, letting the enemy close the gap before lashing out (I believe this to be in line with soresu as he took a committed defensive role, not emphasising wrist work like a dedicated fencer, until he could engage the enemy on his terms). When koth did retaliate against the commandos swarming him, he used wide, sweeping cross-strokes back and forth to get the droids into a rhythm of ducking under his attacks, using his final back swing as a feint to draw the droid on his left up before changing the course of his blade mid-stroke to cut the droid down, this is where he over-extended and got shot (while the tactic of lulling the enemy into false sense of security to land a blow is probably makashi, would you agree that the wide, almost clumsy swings used to act as crowd control until he could land a blow are most likely to be shii-cho? as both form II & III emphasised minimalist movement to conserve energy and reduce defensive lapses, as opposed to the simplistic hacking koth used which provided the opening which lead to his injured arm). after escaping the commando droid's grip and retrieving his saber, koth bisected it, remove the immediate threat, before delivering the killing blow with a thrust to the head (while its admittedly more likely the initial cut was intended as a killing blow as opposed to intentionally disarming the droid - which in itself would be in line with shii-cho mentality, the move seemed too overtly aggressive and exaggerated to be makashi, though stabbing into the droid's head was a prime example of the precision form II devoted itself to). when engaging grievous himself, koth fought a primarily defensive battle, perhaps dealing 2 aggressive manoeuvres out of the total 23 - 25 he made throughout the fight (an admittedly rough count), one of these serving the purpose of simply beating grievous' blades away, this in addition to the facts that koth didn't noticeably retaliate until grievous broke off, giving him a clear opening to deliver a disabling shove, and as you noted either evaded or parried all of grievous' moves up until this point, seems to point more towards soresu in my eyes, due to the focus on waiting for an opportunity and the use of acrobatics which makashi disfavoured. As you stated makashi elements are clearly integrated, such as using a one handed grip, and the use a single line of movement to advance and retreat (though this may have been due to this arena), however instead of deflecting incoming blows as a makashi user would to re-direct the opponent's momentum and reduce personal strain, koth for the most part blocked instead, locking his wrists to brace the impact and stonewalling the incoming swings until there was a lapse in the combat. This is just my deductions from that fight but I'd love to hear what your thoughts are on this take. Sorry for the length and lapses in grammar.
Rather than being a "pure" Makashi/Niman hybrid practitioner (though his short duel with Grievous proves he did have skill in Form II), Koth might have been a Makashi/Ataru/Shien/Niman practitioner, with Makashi being the least developed and mostly used for the elegant, evasive footwork. Think Luminara Unduli, but with a more flexible, go-with-the-flow approach instead of planning things ahead.
Holy moly, this was long, but getting the gist of it, I was initially of the idea that Koth used Soresu, but the fact that he exherts himself while parrying instead of minimalistic movements points more towards Shien. And while the wide sweeping movements appear to be Shii Cho, it's more likely that it's part of his Niman technique. On the whole, Koth feels like a poorman Kao Cen Darach to me. He probably had Ataru and Shien as his initial training, then added Niman, and took aspects of Makashi despite not very developed. The one-hand grip and the evasive footwork point towards Makashi, but given how jumpy he is (including also his opening stance, and, in the recent Marvel comics, how he opened the fight against Vader), Ataru was more his thing. Lastly, he shuffled all these forms under Niman by including Force powers.
I'm surprised neither of you pointed out the similarities of Eeth Koth's weapon to Draay's and Fisto's. Aside from a slight shape difference in the pommel, Koth's weapon looks almost exactly the same as Fisto's, yet uses Form II, unlike the aforementioned Form I specialists. It's a little quirk I thought was quite interesting, and if his style wasn't explained like how it was, I really would have thought that he too used Form I, but in a more cautious manner akin to Warb Null, and with a higher priority on precision. But still, good work guys.
Not a bad idea Seth. That actually could be good. I would suggest TPM Maul because Zannah could easily use her Sith Magic on TCW Maul although he may still use his Terascasie. However you spell it
Man, I love your vids Evan and Jenn. But I wish I could suggest something significant but with each video I see how little I know of the extended universe, except canon that is.
Also, someone should do an anime versus series, similar to the format you guys use, expect the match are harder to decide, since all the crazy abilities anime has. I HAVE AN IDEA FOR MATCH ! ROY MUSTANG VS KURAPIKA !
Suggestions for future duels -Darth Vader vs Warb Null -Nomi Sunrider vs Asoka (Snips) -Calo Nord vs Shae Vizla (Lol I did not do research. But I thought some might be pretty even or close to even)
EvanNova95 you should do animation or get actors to do the verdict. it be good for youer V.S. if you can not do animation maybe you have a friend who can do it for you. if not get youer friends for actors.
Probably Koth, as Crucitorn and his more spreadthin fighting style (other than having both arms) gives him an edge over Sazen, who's still a good combatant overall.
EvanNova95 ***** you guys did good and these collaborations are indeed unique and most impressive. Hope to see you guys soon and you all should make your own Council Chamber with the rest of your Council. That would be very interesting. And again here are my suggestions Darth Sidious vs. Darth Krayt Obi-Wan vs. Kyle Katarn Darth Zannah vs. Satele Shan Darth Malgus vs Darth Nihilus And story wise, Kyle Katarn, Darth Sidious, Darth Nihilus, Quinlan Vos, and Aurra Sing. May the force be with you both
+Jensaarai1 curved hilts not only are ideal for makashi they are also great for djem so with overhead strikes further adding strength also altering the angles slightly creating a unique style of you mix both even kas'im said to bane that it would serve his form V style extremely well
Saying that the Knights Templar were defined by ruthless fanaticism seems rather strange since they were basically armed escorts for civilians who were ultimately accused of heresy and disbanded, with their leadership burned at the stake.
Have you guys thought of a collaboration video between Palpatine and Darth Plagus, would the politician overthrow his banker overlord in straight combat.
Please do something with Lumyia, she can manipulate Jacen Solo, Leai's freaking son! Also you said that it takes a truly strong Force wielder who is skilled in Dual Blade Fencing. I have some match up ideas also. Lumyia vs Darth Krayht Lumyia vs Lomi Plo Lumyia vs Darth Maul Lumyia vs Exar Kun
Rather than being a "pure" Makashi/Niman hybrid practitioner (though his short duel with Grievous proves he did have skill in Form II), Koth might have been a Makashi/Ataru/Shien/Niman practitioner, with Makashi being the least developed. Think Luminara Unduli, but with a more flexible, go-with-the-flow approach instead of planning things ahead.
Do something with kao cen darach. Here's suggestions 1:vs Kyle katarn 2:vs qui gon 3: satele and darach vs obi wan and anakin in clone wars series (2009 or 10 to 15 series 4:vs Rahm Kota +EvanNova95 Plz reply results of these if your not making plans for these!
new evannova video? i guess i could sleep, although i have been awake 8 hours another half hour wont make much of a difference (i live in scotland where it is currently 2 AM
EvanNova95 Do the Story of the Yuuzhan Vong War. How it began. the 3 most important battles. And the end of the war. Maybe 2 videos Part 1 and Part 2 of the story
EvanNova95 you should do animation or get actors to do the verdict. it be good for youer V.S. if you can not do animation maybe you have a friend who can do it for you. if not get youer friends for actors.
From my perspective The way you described Koth his fighting style more leaning towards Niman the 6th form of Lightsaber combat not Makashi the 2nd form.
Wow thats offensive jensarrai, I have probably thought of and suggested 4-6 match-ups with Eeth koth, and you said no one would have thought of this one.... Thnx :)
I would love to see someone put Lucien Draay up against a true Sith Lord to see if what he trained himself to become would be able to defeat a Sith Lord.
My left ear is so lonely :(
So it's not just me?
oathkeeper65 Nope. Evan's audio is one-sided for some reason.
So that's what it was. My right ear bud doesn't work, so I thought the sound was cut out on Evan's side. I missed the entire opener for Eath Koth.
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Glad to see Lucien being used in a vs, I was just thinking a Lucien Draay vs Meetra Surik would be a good vs matchup
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I like these sorts of match-ups, so many characters are looked over when it comes to versus videos. Thank you for making this
What a very funny opening!
That was a very interesting fight. Never thought that Eeth Koth could practiced Makashi, let alone a hybrid version.
This really was a beautifully made video that has highlighted a character I've never even heard of and I love that two of my favorite starwars-oriented channels collaborate so often. Thank you for doing what you do Evan.
We hope you guys enjoy our second Collaborative match up. Also just for the record, due to the radically different Equipment Connor and I use, there may be points in the Vid where the audio differential is a bit off, though its not nearly as bad as last time so we hope you enjoy none the less!
Oh Man EvanNova95 WOW BTW plz reply :)
EvanNova95
1. Lucke Skywalker (EU) and Yoda vs Darth Plagueis and Darth Kraiyt (Season 5 Finale).
2. Corran Horn vs Obi-Wan Kenobi .
3. Darth Malgus vs Kyle Katarn.
4. Tenel Ka Djo vs Marasiah Fel.
5. Kyp Durron vs Mace Windu.
6. Jaina Solo vs. Galen Marek
7. K'Kruhk (Gran Master) and Jaina Solo Fel vs Count Dooku and Darth Sidious.
EvanNova95
Do the Story of the Yuuzhan Vong War.
How it began.
the 3 most important battles.
And the end of the war.
Maybe 2 videos Part 1 and Part 2 of the story
I haven't heard of either of these characters...which makes me want to watch it that much more. You've expanded my love of star wars across the galaxy. I wish you would do more the story of videos. Your Darth Krayt video was incredible
Malcolm Hohler Um...XD Eeth Koth was in the clone wars -_-
Even Piell VS Yaddle / Oppo Rancicis VS Yareal Poof / Ki Adi VS Darth Maul
I actually don't have much of a problem with the verdict or the analysis of how Eeth Koth would react to Draay's fighting pattern. I'm simply uncomfortable stating with any measure of certainty that Koth was likely to have formed his style with Makashi as a base. While a hybridized form is not out of the question, the only discernible reason for Koth fighting primarily one-handed in that engagement (the only true lightsaber duel I've ever seen him in) was because he was injured. This appeared more like something done out of necessity rather than a kind of signature attribute of his personal style. His tactical retreat during the fight was also something that seemed necessitated by the circumstances. He wasn't just facing Grievous; the cyborg was surrounded by magnaguards to back him up. It's a tough fight from which to draw any concrete conclusions about Koth's usual conduct in battle because of the situation he was in.
Adding to that, the majority of comic panels I've seen him in depict him wielding his saber with a two handed grip. Most importantly though, as was pointed out in the video, he was strong in areas where Makashi was weak. That last point along with the fact Koth and his student the, "Howlrunner," were famed for their prowess throughout countless large-scale battles and skirmishes lead me to believe he would not have been likely to have built his skill set around Form II. I'm inclined to think that he was versed with either Form V or else held a dual-specialization with emphasis on Form VI and one of the other styles.
As with Connor's analysis of Shaak Ti vs. Zannah where the former slightly weaker character gained an advantage over the stronger though more straightforward character, I'm inclined to think the edge went to the wrong character. But this isn't a big deal because I agree with the major principle involved in the ruling. I think that Draay should have actually gotten the edge for Force abilities purely on a technical level even though Koth's powers are more likely to affect the final outcome. But as indicated this is more a slight difference of opinion in how Connor and I decide to grant a character the edge in the category of Force abilities.
Overall, I enjoyed the video. Just offering my two cents. I don't seriously disagree with the larger ideas or analogies involved with the argument itself.
GreyJedi91 Were you going to say something else?
Mark Lee Like what?
I do not know, but I think you made a good point.
Mark Lee No. I think I pretty much said all I had to say. This was a rare occasion where my mind wasn't already made up before I went in to the video...and for the most part I found their argument convincing. So I guess I agree with the verdict. Just not all of the logic they presented on the way to the verdict itself.
I was personally betting of Koth to win.
Solid and well-made collaboration as always, but I'm not sure I agree with some of the conclusions either of you have reached here.
For one thing, it's kind of a stretch to analyze Koth as a Form II user (at least as his primary form) based on the one duel with Grievous. For one thing, he was injured in that fight when a commando droid shot him in the arm, forcing him into a one-handed posture. For another, his default stance seems to be a two-handed grip and while he isn't a straight up power duelist, that along with his "hack and slash" approach and tendency to redirect attacks suggest Djem So or Shien. Though he probably incorporated some Makashi techniques, I doubt it formed the basis of his style especially as a battlefield Jedi. Form II was considered largely obsolete in an era where most of the Jedi's enemies wielded blasters.
Second, based on what little I've seen of Koth there's nothing suggesting that he holds any advantage in the Force over Lucien--a guy that can clear an entire hanger bay full of multi-ton droids and other large objects almost casually. Hell, he was noted as comparable to (though not greater than) fucking *Galen Marek* in one of Jen's own matches. What has Koth done? He landed a powerful Force push on Grievous and smashed him into a wall in the TCW duel; that isn't anything special, just a natural disadvantage that Grievous has against Force users. Crucitorn is a neat ability, but it only enhanced his natural Zabrak toughness and won't necessarily keep him alive if Draay starts mashing him into a pulp with TK.
On a less critical note--I see that you note Draay as well-suited to taking on Anakin. That'd be an interesting matchup for sure, a renowned Form I powerhouse versus the best Form V duelist of the Clone Wars era. Also do you think that Form I masters are vulnerable to Vaapad due to how they release themselves into the Force or would their light side connection negate that?
Most likely, Koth was a Makashi/Ataru/Shien/Niman hybrid practitioner, with a bigger emphasis on the latter 3. Think Luminara Unduli, but more loose and adaptive.
Are you sure about him being versed in Shien/Djem So ? None of his attacks are particularly heavy-handed, even before being shot in the arm, he was already using a one hand grip. If anything, I'm more convinced that Koth rather used Soresu alongside Ataru, Niman and Makashi (the latter being the least developed, just took footwork, evasion and one-hand grip from it) for his personal fighting style. The way he deflects bolts from the Commando droids, he even uses the Form III salute against Vader in the (ughhh) "canon" comics. As a whole, Koth was a mix between a poorman Kao Cen Darach and a more flexible Luminara Unduli.
Eeth Koth utilized forms 3 & 4. But form 4 is the only form he actually mastered. That’s been stated as much. I forget where, I think in either one of the visual dictionaries or clone wars campaign guide, I can’t remember where, but I know Ataru was Koth’s only mastered form. Backed up with Soresu. Basically the direct opposite of Kenobi; soresu master backed up by an Ataru offensive when he needs it; Koth was an Ataru master backed up by soresu (though not nearly to the degree as Kenobi mastered his secondary form).
Okay, I have a suggestion. How about you do another versus video about non-force users.
Like Boba Fett vs. Hk-47
I would love to see it happen! Make it real!!!
I was wondering when Jensaarai1 would make a video. Then I saw him in this collaboration and I was like yeaaaah. Once again, great job guys!
I did think about Lucien Draay vs Ven Zallow.
Really insightful EvanNova and Jansaarai! You guys are awesome!
Evan, you are a hardworking, inspiring and awesome UA-camr, good luck to you.
muurtalo Thank You.
Great video guys and a hilarious beginning lol. Would love to see another collaboration putting two of the best form 1 specialists ever. Fisto vs Draay.
Well going into this video i was certain Draay had this by a wide margin but you once again have convinced me otherwise ,keep up the great work.
DUDE AM IN LOVE WITH STAR WARS AND YOUR VIDS =D i hope u make tones more versus series and i have to ask are u gonna do star wars video games like play the famouse one cuze dat would be awsome and congrats on 62 subscribers in my opinion u deserve a million more subs
love the start up anyone shocked that jensaarai1 didn't get annoyed with saying eeth koth was alive in clone wars given he died when a gunship that he was on was shot down
great Collab. i loved the lightsaber RL demonstrations shown as examples here, could you please show the links for those videos?
Also, go Koth, show what you can really do!
***** There are links in the video description.
My lightsaber style would be a nasty blend of makashi, seresu, and djem so, with just enough niman, and jar kai to scare the hell out of my opponent. Great video. Thanks.
A little bit of audio difference at the very end, but I didn't notice any earlier. Anyhow, very nice, especially the Eeth Koth analysis. You went a different direction than what I expected, and I feel like you educated me. :)
Great matchup I highly enjoyed and agree with the verdict so disappointing that no one else has used eeth koth in their Verses series he’s so underrated
Thumbs up for Koth! I don't even care if he wins or not (Haven't finished watching) just the fact that he's getting mainstream attention is cool enough for me :)
***** What ever happned to Koth?, did he died from that Injury & explains was he's replaced by Agen Kolar?
Conrado Javier In the original timeline, Koth died at the battle of Geonosis. Ever since TCW though, we haven't had an official fate for him.
@@brothersmakingmovies Now we do, the crappy Disney canon states he was kicked out of the Order for having an affair with a Zabrak woman, and after Order 66, he posed as a priest, had a baby with said woman....until Vader found him, they fought, he was slayed and his daughter taken by Vader to be inducted into the Inquisitorius or something.
awsome channel man. cant believe i didnot find your channel before, anyways keep up the good work,
This is definitely one of my favourite, star wars versus, ever!!!
For some reason, I can only hear Evan's parts on my right audio speaker/headphone
I was so happy when my phone alerted me of this videos upload !
i tell everyone to watch both you guys on every chat room about star wars i go one ive learned a lot from your videos and i am a pretty hard core fan
Awsome work as always nice lil commentaries at the beginning too. Would love to see Mace windu vs Kyle katarn thanks
What a very unusual match up guys. Loved the music and of course the passion you guys put into this video, it really does show. :) As for future matches here are some suggestions:
Mace Windu vs Count Dooku
Darth Sideous vs Darth Krayt
Jensaarai1 if you don't mind me asking I like to hear your opinion on something. Is it better to be a master of all lightsaber forms or just be a Master of one? For ex does someone like Darth Krayt (the poster boy of Niman in my opinion) have a chance against someone like Sideous Mace or Yoda?
Also Evannova95 if you don't mind me asking this question, I remember in your Ludo Kresh vs Darth Plagueis video that what Darth Traya said about the ancient sith being poor sword masters was false. Could you explain a snipet of how that is true? I want to stress that I don't doubt your statement in the slightest, I'm just curious thats all. Thank you both for including Lucien it was a real special treat to see him.
i would really like to see a versus series between darth nihilus vs. darth lumiya. or something with darth nihilus. by the way i really love your channel and love all your videos. great job!
General Krell vs General Grievous.
Krell (but only barely and missing a few limbs)
Alex Chaudhari I think Antoine is working on that.
I've been asking for this!
InSanic Antoine will be having a vote video on either Grievous vs PROXY or Grievous vs Pong Krell. Really hard to decide what matchup I want to see more than the other (ideally, I want to see both :D )
its pong krell not general krell
Or anakin and obi wan vs darth malgus and lord vindican.
Lawrence Jones mmmm not bad not bad.
That sounds great
Lawrence Jones Um......Any chance I can Steal that?????? :D
Lol that's my idea. But you can give it a +.
The Muser Oh I see you too make vs series. I suppose you can. But I'd still like to see evannova95 make it too.
Darth Maul v. Darth Talon. The battle of the assassins
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Could you do a video on Darth Jadus? He's a tragically underused character from SWTOR and was speculated to have power that rivalled even the Emperor's. I think an interesting battle between him and some other darths could be debated.
The Inquisitor Vs Assajj Ventress
Darth Sidious Vs Satele Shan
Fire Lord Zukoh Vs Assajj Ventress (I know you don't do Avatar Matchups, but it'd still be interesting to see)
Luke Skywalker Vs Joe Jabeeble
Barriss Offee Vs Savage Oppress
nice vid, as always. maybe for next time you collab with Jensaarai, balance out the volume of the voices a bit better. you sound very loud compared to Jensaraai.
also, for a future episode. have we seen Darth maul yet? i'd love to see you cover him although i don't really have an interesting opponent in mind for him.
True Drake I used him way back in my Satele Shan VS Darth Maul vid, though I Wouldn't recommend checking because it's terrible. I do have plans to use Maul in the future, don't worry.
Under 301, great collaboration/versus video!
1: Qui-gon Jinn vs Literally Anyone
2: Jar-Jar Binks vs A Wild Bantha
3: Darth Vader vs The Entire Tuscan Raider Population
You should do an entry on everything you know about the seven lightsaber forms. You could talk about characters who use each style, and variations of each form.
Oh man, I love the versus series!
Great vid as usual guys. I must say though, I respectfully disagree with your breakdown of Eeth's duelling skills. while i do agree that makashi is certainly a prevalent component, I don't agree that it's the 'basis' but the approach he favoured to make his style more nuanced and workable. going through the battle on the steadfast's bridge i'd say that Koths style was rooted in soresu, had an offensive element sourced from shii-cho, and blending the two with makashi technique and tactics. the reasoning behind this theory being the following: during the initial fire fight, instead of moving in and engaging the most viable target, Koth stood his ground deflecting every blast using articulation in the shoulders and elbows rather than his wrists, letting the enemy close the gap before lashing out (I believe this to be in line with soresu as he took a committed defensive role, not emphasising wrist work like a dedicated fencer, until he could engage the enemy on his terms). When koth did retaliate against the commandos swarming him, he used wide, sweeping cross-strokes back and forth to get the droids into a rhythm of ducking under his attacks, using his final back swing as a feint to draw the droid on his left up before changing the course of his blade mid-stroke to cut the droid down, this is where he over-extended and got shot (while the tactic of lulling the enemy into false sense of security to land a blow is probably makashi, would you agree that the wide, almost clumsy swings used to act as crowd control until he could land a blow are most likely to be shii-cho? as both form II & III emphasised minimalist movement to conserve energy and reduce defensive lapses, as opposed to the simplistic hacking koth used which provided the opening which lead to his injured arm). after escaping the commando droid's grip and retrieving his saber, koth bisected it, remove the immediate threat, before delivering the killing blow with a thrust to the head (while its admittedly more likely the initial cut was intended as a killing blow as opposed to intentionally disarming the droid - which in itself would be in line with shii-cho mentality, the move seemed too overtly aggressive and exaggerated to be makashi, though stabbing into the droid's head was a prime example of the precision form II devoted itself to). when engaging grievous himself, koth fought a primarily defensive battle, perhaps dealing 2 aggressive manoeuvres out of the total 23 - 25 he made throughout the fight (an admittedly rough count), one of these serving the purpose of simply beating grievous' blades away, this in addition to the facts that koth didn't noticeably retaliate until grievous broke off, giving him a clear opening to deliver a disabling shove, and as you noted either evaded or parried all of grievous' moves up until this point, seems to point more towards soresu in my eyes, due to the focus on waiting for an opportunity and the use of acrobatics which makashi disfavoured. As you stated makashi elements are clearly integrated, such as using a one handed grip, and the use a single line of movement to advance and retreat (though this may have been due to this arena), however instead of deflecting incoming blows as a makashi user would to re-direct the opponent's momentum and reduce personal strain, koth for the most part blocked instead, locking his wrists to brace the impact and stonewalling the incoming swings until there was a lapse in the combat.
This is just my deductions from that fight but I'd love to hear what your thoughts are on this take.
Sorry for the length and lapses in grammar.
Rather than being a "pure" Makashi/Niman hybrid practitioner (though his short duel with Grievous proves he did have skill in Form II), Koth might have been a Makashi/Ataru/Shien/Niman practitioner, with Makashi being the least developed and mostly used for the elegant, evasive footwork. Think Luminara Unduli, but with a more flexible, go-with-the-flow approach instead of planning things ahead.
Holy moly, this was long, but getting the gist of it, I was initially of the idea that Koth used Soresu, but the fact that he exherts himself while parrying instead of minimalistic movements points more towards Shien. And while the wide sweeping movements appear to be Shii Cho, it's more likely that it's part of his Niman technique. On the whole, Koth feels like a poorman Kao Cen Darach to me. He probably had Ataru and Shien as his initial training, then added Niman, and took aspects of Makashi despite not very developed. The one-hand grip and the evasive footwork point towards Makashi, but given how jumpy he is (including also his opening stance, and, in the recent Marvel comics, how he opened the fight against Vader), Ataru was more his thing. Lastly, he shuffled all these forms under Niman by including Force powers.
Nice work. Suggestion: Galen Marek vs Cade Skywalker
Obi-wan & Mace Windu VS Count Dooku & Galen Marek
Another video so soon? No complaints here! You the man Evan!
***** Thank You
EvanNova95 Do you think that the theme song of the Superman movie Man of Steel is good and can you ues it in one of youer videos?
EvanNova95 I'd actually really like to see a match between Darth Zannah and Asajj Ventress.
Antoine Bandele has done Ventress Vs Zannah.
Lucien Draay VS Kit Fisto?
COS Motions the masters of Shii Cho
Fisto wins easily
I'm surprised neither of you pointed out the similarities of Eeth Koth's weapon to Draay's and Fisto's. Aside from a slight shape difference in the pommel, Koth's weapon looks almost exactly the same as Fisto's, yet uses Form II, unlike the aforementioned Form I specialists. It's a little quirk I thought was quite interesting, and if his style wasn't explained like how it was, I really would have thought that he too used Form I, but in a more cautious manner akin to Warb Null, and with a higher priority on precision. But still, good work guys.
Great Video dude,I think you should do Darth Zannah vs Darth Maul.
Not a bad idea Seth. That actually could be good. I would suggest TPM Maul because Zannah could easily use her Sith Magic on TCW Maul although he may still use his Terascasie. However you spell it
Man, I love your vids Evan and Jenn. But I wish I could suggest something significant but with each video I see how little I know of the extended universe, except canon that is.
a serious "force" to be reckoned with. Pun intended.
You should get those lightsaber duelists to do all of your verdicts
I think you really should use Rahm Kots eventually I dont think he has ever really been used
Cameron Miller Rahm Kota is overrated by brainless fanboys already! I see why they didn't use Kota, Lucien will disarm him!
Cameron Miller Antonie Bandele will be using him in his latest on going season.
Cameron Miller Jensaarai1 will actually be using him soon.
oh two, glad to hear one more thing will be off my bucket list number, whatever number it was see Kota in a versus video, done by one of the council.
Rahm Kota Vs Lord Scourge is a collaboration between Antoine Bandele and Jensaari.
I'd be interested to see another Versus vid with Darth Sidious. :)
Amazing ! Nice to see Jen he is great !
Meetra Surik vs. Revan
love your vids by the way!
Revan one shots
Rahm Kota versus one of the older republic masters would seem pretty cool.
Also, someone should do an anime versus series, similar to the format you guys use, expect the match are harder to decide, since all the crazy abilities anime has.
I HAVE AN IDEA FOR MATCH ! ROY MUSTANG VS KURAPIKA !
Suggestions for future duels
-Darth Vader vs Warb Null
-Nomi Sunrider vs Asoka (Snips)
-Calo Nord vs Shae Vizla
(Lol I did not do research. But I thought some might be pretty even or close to even)
That Kung Fu Panda music in the backround xD
God, I love these videos. Sidenote, what do you guys have in mind for the next Council Forcecast?
A truly remarkable video
Dear mr nova i love your vids you the best keep up the best work
Also i learn so much from yoir vids
Stefan Venceljovski Thank You.
No prob and omg you answered
EvanNova95 you should do animation or get actors to do the verdict. it be good for youer V.S. if you can not do animation maybe you have a friend who can do it for you. if not get youer friends for actors.
I loved the reference to Troy it's such a great movie
First ladys of the Jedi order MARRA JADE vS BASTTLA SHANE:)
Mismatch
I would love to see Luke vs Yoda. Two of the greatest grand masters head to head would be intense
Eath Koth vs Wolf Sazen: battle of the Zabrak with long black hair
Probably Koth, as Crucitorn and his more spreadthin fighting style (other than having both arms) gives him an edge over Sazen, who's still a good combatant overall.
+EvenNova95 can you more "The story of" videos?
EvanNova95 ***** you guys did good and these collaborations are indeed unique and most impressive. Hope to see you guys soon and you all should make your own Council Chamber with the rest of your Council. That would be very interesting. And again here are my suggestions
Darth Sidious vs. Darth Krayt
Obi-Wan vs. Kyle Katarn
Darth Zannah vs. Satele Shan
Darth Malgus vs Darth Nihilus
And story wise, Kyle Katarn, Darth Sidious, Darth Nihilus, Quinlan Vos, and Aurra Sing. May the force be with you both
+Jensaarai1 curved hilts not only are ideal for makashi they are also great for djem so with overhead strikes further adding strength also altering the angles slightly creating a unique style of you mix both even kas'im said to bane that it would serve his form V style extremely well
Great video guys!
Saying that the Knights Templar were defined by ruthless fanaticism seems rather strange since they were basically armed escorts for civilians who were ultimately accused of heresy and disbanded, with their leadership burned at the stake.
Obi-Wan Kenobi Vs Rahm Kota
Obi Wan can't lose. Kota is good but he's not a good enough swordsman to combat Kenobi's Soresu defense.
Have you guys thought of a collaboration video between Palpatine and Darth Plagus, would the politician overthrow his banker overlord in straight combat.
Amazing video!!
KOTOR Graphic Novel is my all time favorite comic series
Great acting
Great video guys.
Do the story of darth nihilus please. I just finished KOTOR 2 and i want to know more about this guy,.
A good match up you should do is Lucien Draay VS Darth Malgus.
Awesome man
You should try these:
- Oppo Rancisis Vs Count Dooku
- Quinlan Vos Vs Anakin Skywalker
- Savage Opress Vs Pong Krell
- Bastila Shan Vs Ahsoka Tano
1. Count Dooku
2. Anakin Skywalker
3. Savage Opress
4. Debatable but Shan is the more versatile force user
Thank you Think you Think you I wanted a good UA-cam to do Eeth Koth you are a true Master or Dark Lord whatever you are.
Please do something with Lumyia, she can manipulate Jacen Solo, Leai's freaking son! Also you said that it takes a truly strong Force wielder who is skilled in Dual Blade Fencing. I have some match up ideas also.
Lumyia vs Darth Krayht
Lumyia vs Lomi Plo
Lumyia vs Darth Maul
Lumyia vs Exar Kun
Rather than being a "pure" Makashi/Niman hybrid practitioner (though his short duel with Grievous proves he did have skill in Form II), Koth might have been a Makashi/Ataru/Shien/Niman practitioner, with Makashi being the least developed. Think Luminara Unduli, but with a more flexible, go-with-the-flow approach instead of planning things ahead.
Evannova95, can you do Dooku vs Kota
Plz do one of the following
1.sharad hett vs ki adi Mundi
2. Sazen vs fisto
3. Adi gallia vs saesea tiin
Thnx for using eeth koth
Evan, did you know that, in the _Clone Wars Adventures_ video game, Koth could use a saberstaff in sparring sessions?
I have a suggestion to do a tag team battle darth vader and Luke skywalker vs setil Shaun and count dooko.
U need to do satele vs yoda!
could you do depa billaba vs tholme.
it would be an interesting matchup
Does anybody know the music used in this video?
Do something with kao cen darach. Here's suggestions
1:vs Kyle katarn
2:vs qui gon
3: satele and darach vs obi wan and anakin in clone wars series (2009 or 10 to 15 series
4:vs Rahm Kota
+EvanNova95 Plz reply results of these if your not making plans for these!
katarn
don't know
anakin and obi wan
kota?
Will you please do eeth koth vs saesee Tiin
Good one
new evannova video? i guess i could sleep, although i have been awake 8 hours another half hour wont make much of a difference (i live in scotland where it is currently 2 AM
Jerec 12 Who needs sleep? The force gives you all you will need. :)
EvanNova95 can you do quinlan vos vs asajj ventress?
EvanNova95 Do the Story of the Yuuzhan Vong War.
How it began.
the 3 most important battles.
And the end of the war.
Maybe 2 videos Part 1 and Part 2 of the story
EvanNova95 you should do animation or get actors to do the verdict. it be good for youer V.S. if you can not do animation maybe you have a friend who can do it for you. if not get youer friends for actors.
From my perspective The way you described Koth his fighting style more leaning towards Niman the 6th form of Lightsaber combat not Makashi the 2nd form.
I would love to recommend Darth Vader vs Darth Tyrannus.
the battle of the cold sith cyborg against the calculating sith elder.
Good fight but Vader has too many advantages for Dooku to realistically overcome
yadle vs yoda,
maybe a versus featuring chewbacca vs someone
yoda
Wow thats offensive jensarrai, I have probably thought of and suggested 4-6 match-ups with Eeth koth, and you said no one would have thought of this one.... Thnx :)
I would love to see someone put Lucien Draay up against a true Sith Lord to see if what he trained himself to become would be able to defeat a Sith Lord.
great colla vid