The problem with his Harden is he is nowhere close to being as complete of a player as D Wade. When Harden goes cold, he is literally a waste of space on the court.
Wade was named to the All-NBA defensive team 3 times. How many times has Harden?(ZERO) Not to mention Harden is averaging exactly ONE more rebound per game for his career, so it’s not like he’s that much better at rebounding.
@@montay1kmoneyteam902 rings, playoff performance, a finals MVP, being the best shot blocking guard ever. If you started watching basketball in 2010 just say that.
@@Tomorrowsgone So when you're a BAD defender and try to guard the best players wouldn't the outcome be WAY WORSE If a great defender can hold a 30 point scorer to 27 WHAT would happen if a bad defender guarded that same person see how you trying to just dismiss defense 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@@marvinmj7075 Shaq averaged 14 and 10 in those finals. As for Harden no he wouldn't have made it past the Pistons in the ECF. He's a professional choker in crunch time how can you still not see that?
Harden may have wade on the offensive side by a slim margin. Dwade’s got him on the defensive end by a a huge one. That’s the key difference. And he won it as the man on his own team before Bron.
He doesn't if we going by stats cool. But if we going by watching the actual game. Dwade scored when it matter he wasn't a no show in the playoffs like harden. He lead the heat to a championship with shaq of course. Harden has had more talent and hasn't done what wade did. Jeff Teague is slow for his opinion. Defensively like you said he's blowing Harden out the water.
even that.. Dwade has a deeper bag than Harden tho.. Don't get it twisted.. Harden was an elite player.., but he is just a better three point shooter than Dwade ... that's it.. Dwade's game is more explosive.., more acrobatic.. more tough.. Dwade was a dog when he was on his element.. Harden is a different beast.. but he don't got that Dwade killer will.. Dwade damn near went to five finals
@@jonathaneagle3554Harden has a deeper bag than Wade. He was a far better shooter and had better handles. He only played that way when D’Antoni became coach. Harden could get in the post and face up and had a midrange game under McHale
He wasn’t talking about Harden he was talking about the iso and heavy PnR style which nearly every team in the league including the Celtics have adopted. Now to this point yes Kobe remains correct and even if the Cs win a championship they needed a legit super team to do so.
Just for some clarification, the Rockets with Harden "by himself" only went to the west finals one time until Chris Paul showed up and then they did it a 2nd time. Teague making it seem like they went to the WCF "like every year" is almost as hilarious as anyone thinking Harden is better than Wade.
What’s funnier is, Harden had a coach that perfectly fit a style for him to play with teammates that fit those roles for him to succeed. And still came up short
Wade actually by himself (07-10 & 14-16) he got out the first round 1x. We can give 06 it’s flowers but we don’t need to act like he was 06 every single year and he had a still pretty good Shaq
@@MrSlashbladei love Shaq, my favorite player, but year 2 Miami Shaq was already on a decline. Wade carried the Heat on that Finals run. Shaq year 2 Miami is on the same level as Howard or Paul, and Wade won the chip
@@MG-yj6lo so you’re saying that Wade would have beaten GS in 2015 and 18? Even if that’s true GS is objectively better then 06 Dallas, and Wade had to be Harden like (16 FTA a game in that series) to get the win
@@MG-yj6lostop Shaq and as still dominant at that time and still needed to be double teamed….. quit making stuff up to fit your narrative I remember those runs like they were yesterday
That man James had 60 points 10 rebounds and 11 assist .. wade has never had a stat line that great all of his points came from the free throw line also ironic asl because who’s the best foul baiter in history 😂😂🤡
James Harden can’t guard a parked car… he’s a turnstile and he’s a quitter and he disappears when it matters. His game was also predicated on shooting free throws based on flop fouls and four step travel jump shots. To sit here and say he put up 35/8/8 big freaking deal. He was taking 22-25 shots a game, and was completely inefficient. He never had a field goal percentage above 45% outside of 2 seasons. Wade is a career 48% from the Field. This isn’t even a conversation. At times I think Jeff Teague says stuff to say it because some of this shit is just embarrassing. James Harden is not close to the player that Dwyane Wade is. Not close.
@@SaintFrenchy I suggest you check again. James Harden has NEVER SHOT 50 percent in his career. His CAREER BEST as the No. 1 option was 45.6 percent with Houston. He was not the number 1 option in OKC. That was his best 49.1 percent his third year. I suggest you do a little research. Be well. James Harden CAREER shooting percentage is 44.2 percent. D-Wade's is 48 percent. Feel free to look it up. I never speak or type without knowing the data first.
Field goal percentages mean absolutely NOTHING because the analytics moved the game to a place it should have never went. Also Harden was a high level defender in OKC he’s always been capable he just doesn’t try at all for whatever reason.
Call me crazy, but I rock with Clyde Drexler. The guy was incredible. Who knows how many accolades he would have if the league wasn't so deep at guard. He didn't even make All-NBA when he averaged 27 in the 80s.
Dwade doesnt choke in the playoffs, Intangibles crazy, impacts winning and very unselfish. In 06 or 09 Dwade coulda won MVP but 3 Rings and a Finals MVP beats 1 MVP any day of the week.
D Wade was not a lock defender knock it off. While Harden does not try to defend in the slightest he was just as good as D Wade when he was playing for OKC and for his first few games in Houston. I hate when people rewrite history…. “Wade would give up 15” Harden only gives up 15 guarding role players too that’s not impressive. Defensive players that actually guard and stop STARS are so far and rare but it’s disrespectful to them to pretend Wade was like Tony Allen…..
Jeff is funny with the stories but he can keep his best SG takes to himself. The NBA shooting guard position is too talented for a player only dominant on 1 side of the court to be considered 1 of the best. Mike and Kobe were elite defenders. James 1 of the best scorers ever. He is and always has been food for his competition on the defense end. Wade has NEVER been a liability on defense. Wade has the record for most blocks by a shooting guard. Wade is just as elite on offense as he is on defense.
@@billjames1216 he can shoot but lacks most other assets to be better than wade defense leadership heart he. He can fill the stat line but it’s got him no chips and he’ll most likely never get one.
Receipts. I''ve seen James in those Moments, pass the ball to team mates who weren't expecting it and proceeded to stand in the corner, wanting NOTHING to do with that smoke. To D-Wade, those moments were sustenance.
Harden has offensive stats, but defense and team accomplishments matter. George Gervin was a better scorer than Kawhi. Who would you rather have leading your team? I'm a big Rik Smits (and Pacers) fan, and KAT gets numbers, but I'd take 0 offense Ben Wallace over them.
You can argue Harden over Wade when it comes to who is the better player but there's no doubt that Wade is a far greater player than Harden. Best and Greatness is two different things.
I always say this. People don’t understand it at all. Idk if Harden is better than Wade but when it comes to Bron and Mike I’ve always thought Bron handled it the wrong way. Should’ve went the Floyd Mayweather route because it’s literally impossible for him to be the GOAT since Jordan did everything first. LeBron should have said MJ the GOAT but I’m TBE. I personally believe Bron is the superior basketball player that’s just me tho.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 listen up jabroni. To be the best ever your skills have to be the best ever which lebron doesn’t have💯to be the greatest ever is about resume which also lebron doesn’t have💯
Harden is no where near Wade this is only just a debate because Harden won MVP and most of y'all remember him when Lebron teamed up with him (Heat dynasty) but if you look back at Wades career in '04-10 he was a monster he played like a MVP caliber type of player, second best shooting guard in the league after kobe and best player in the league at one point in era where he needs to play against Kobe, prime AI, prime Tmac, prime Carter. I dont wanna hear any excuse that wade had help Harden too and yet he's still not winning any single chip
He cant be the 3rd best SG of all time whrn he's made a career of not showing up in the playoffs. Regular season achievements have to be validated through playoff performance.
I see Teagues argument and point. But it’s still flawed logic. Arguing Harden is greater than Wade because Harden had a few good seasons in Houston is like arguing Jimmy Butler is a greater SF than Kevin Durant. He’s saying Harden lived in the WCF and most of Wade’s success came from teaming with LeBron. Well, I can use that same argument to say Jimmy Butler, who lives in the ECF is greater than Durant, who’s had the bulk of his success after teaming with Curry. See how that works, Jeff Teague?
Without Shaq and without Bron Tbh Dwade and Harden Would Be the same person bc wade wouldn’t have won nothing either bc after 06 nobody even mention the Miami Heat let’s talk bout it until Bron went there
This is exactly why the MJ vs Lebron thing is even a debate. Everyone ignores the fact Jordan was DPOY and a 9 time all defensive player. Wade is a significantly better defender than Harden BUT Harden stayed on the court more. So you have to take availability into account as well. If I had to pick, I'll take Wade before Harden because he's a two-way player.
Wade got a longer career then Harden. You know Wade played 16 years? Harden is in his 15th year. Y’all can talk about defense but I remember wade in his prime we started lookin at him because he was beginning to not try as much.
@@KiNGMe21 I mean the issue is you make it sound like the availability is similar to LeBron, for one LeBron case is him significantly outdoing Jordan’s prime while still dominating. Harden off of a technicality isn’t really availability, because for the past season and 3/4s he’s become a role player. Even then you aren’t gonna sell me on a point that is literally two weeks old
@@MrSlashblade The numbers say Harden was a much better "role" player than Wade. So I'm not sure what your argument is. If you take Jordan's 13 years with the Bulls and match it against Lebron's best 13 years, Jordan got him.
@@KiNGMe21 and if you take lebrons entire career vs Jordan’s entire career it goes to LeBron. This idea that we have to shrink the window makes no sense especially since in a 13 year window bill is greater in a 7 year window Wilt is miles ahead of Jordan. For wade and harden this availability argument is just a dishonest way to hardens case. Teague case is he’s seen Harden take worse teams to great heights while even a year 2 Miami Shaq was still all nba first team
Tbh don’t hate me for this but dwade had a 4-5 yr span of being great out of 15 seasons so I see why Teague said what he said . Dwade injuries hurt him but it is what it is Harden lapped him in 1st team all nbas . That mean number 1 at the position.
Y’all keep saying harden did more with less but what year harden didn’t have another superstar?? Dwight was there Cp3 Westbrook Melo the cap be crazy 😭
Gtfoh he ain't better than wade ain't better than manu ain't better than iverson if your putting him at the 2 ain't better than clyde he's lucky brandon roy got hurt cuz he'd be behind him too y'all just look at numbers
It’s not even a fair comparison. Some of these players will list who they prefer because they are buddies with the player. Anyone who truly knows professional basketball knows that D. Wade was the superior guard over James harden, who constantly choked during the post season. Most folk would have Jordan, Kobe and D. Wade ranked 3rd best! In fact honorable mention to Clyde Drexler who should be taken over harden too.
He must be friends with James Harden or something because this isn’t even a debate Wade with two good knees would’ve been a top 5/10 player dead or alive! It’s deadass like people forgot everything he did in Miami the minute LeBron decided to go there but in 2011 he literally would’ve been the finals MVP if LeBron didn’t choke 😭
If Wade had the same usage rate as Harden Tegaye may think differently. Harden didnt turn into a monster until he started passing the ball to the open guy in the corner and was considered a "great" point guard.
You know you getting old when we have generations of ball fans who dont know how great Dwade is... Dwade brings more than harden on the court... I give harden the pick and roll game, passing and three pointer... and explosive scoring thats it... Now if we look back at Dwade's overall impact, clutch performance, defense, offball, post game,, he is what you can get to being complete player... even the euro step that harden gets credit for.. it was dwade after manu who pioneered those moves in the NBA, and people seem to forget that... even the stepback thing james does.. only difference is james harden got more range which i give him credit for... If I want to build a team from scratch Im picking james harden... however if I want to contend for a championship im picking DWade... All I have to do is pick solid vets around him and some co stars as well.. James Harden, to be honest im not suree.. dude had the most help in his career and still fall short and chokes everytime... people need to remember james harden teams are always stacked except for his first 3 years in the rockets.. but other than that... he always had co stars and solid team around him... but dude is jsut a choker and history proves that
I seen a dude tweet today that Jokic impacts the game more than prime LeBron. Like dudes forget it's two sides to the ball. Jokic and Harden are amazing offensively but neither impact the game like Bron or Wade.
Peak James Harden stats (2012-2020) 29.6 PPG (with 3 straight scoring titles seasons of averaging 30+) 6 RPG 7.7 APG (with an assist title) 46 triple doubles, with nearly half in 2016-17 (2nd that season to Westbrook) 1 MVP (top 5 in voting 6 of his 8 seasons in Houston and never finished below 9th) 8x All Star 7x All NBA (1st team 6x, 3rd team 1x) Peak Dwyane Wade stats (2004-2011) 26.6 PPG (with one scoring title) 5.2 RPG 6.6 APG 0x MVP (finished top 5 twice, with highest being 3rd in 2009) 7x All Star (ASG MVP in 2010) 6x All NBA (2nd team 3x, 1st team 2x, 3rd team 1x) 3x All Defensive 2nd team 1x NBA Finals (with Finals MVP) I think Harden's the better offensive player by a mile, but Wade's better in all the other metrics that matter which is winning
Are we forgetting that Dwade actually never reached his prime due to bad knees ??? and still he is top 3 SG of all time.. im not saying he'll have a better career than Kobe because thats Kobe but please.. Dwade was a finals MVP in his 3rd year.. his prime was supposed to be 09 and onwards but all those years are riddled with injuries thats why KObe and Bron completely eclipsed him... Anyone saying james over wade should search Wade 06 finals and see for yourself... that is jordanesque.. dude completely took over...
Wade is a complete player that elevated his game in the biggest moments. Idk where we lost the plot in all of this but D wade won in the most bulletproof way. Harden who is very talented has had moments but has also had some low lights in big moments. Perfect example is missing 22 straight against Gstate when they had them on the ropes. D Wade wins that game.
Prime Wade was the closest thing to Mike, way better and efficient than Kobe. His prime was short tho, them first 4-5 years in the league he was unbelievable
The only way I can see it is AI is in his own category, he shits on all guards with what he was capable of at that size, and basketball wasn't even his primary sport
Did Jeff Teague forget that in 2011 Dwade damn near averaged 30 5 and 6 in those finals and lost out on his 4th ring and another finals MVP because Lebron choked. Also we forgetting Dwade was 28 when he joined with Lebron. If Dwade kept that pace he was on he would’ve had 3-5 more seasons in the MVP race. I can’t believe the nonsense arguments man
From 06-07 & 07-08 seasons Wade only played 100 games combined that's why they ended up with Beasley in 08 draft. The following two years Wade carried those Miami teams right back to the playoffs before Bron and Bosh arrived. Wade over Harden any day
You’re comparing a 3 time nba champion with someone who has never won anything, never shows up under pressure, lost to the warriors consistently and disappoints. #notevenacomparison
Wade was a lot more hungry, the best SG defender ever 🤔 leads all SG’s in Blocks.1 of the best clutch players ever.Wade is the 3rd best SG of All-Time 💪🏾💪🏾 Hands down.James Harden in my eyes Maybe the best Scorer ever 🤷🏾♂️ But not a better player than Wade, Now Harden and A.i would be nice comparison 🤔💯 But Wade is 1 of the best playoff performers ever.Highlight after Highlight.Along with several finals appearances 💯 Harden would have to win Chips to start leaping the Best SG’s of All-Time, Which means Performing your best when it counts.i will say this if Durant never went to golden state and won 2, i would have said Westbrook and Harden had better careers then Durant 🤔💯 but he made a Wise boss move and now he’s that guy 💯 If Harden wins while being a high caliber player then his Legacy would sore 💪🏾 and if he don’t, the critics will probably look at him as a meaningless scorer, like Carmelo and Durant 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ ooooh
@@EJ-gx9hl i agree.i Thought he was focused in Brooklyn but Kyrie’s shenanigans turned em off 👍🏾 He’s always been focused no lie, it’s just i hope he can perform in the Playoffs at a high caliber facts
Mike asked the real quesiton.. and one that the True Hooper mfs never seem to consider... Yeah.. Harden was better than Wade with bad teams... but... does that shit actually scale? People just assume that if you're the kind of guy that can drag bad teams to the playoffs, that you must also be the kind of guy that will do even better with better talent.. but NBA history tells us VERY CLEARLY that those are separate skillsets. There are relatively few players that can do both. MOST players can only do one or the other.. and in that case, which is actually more valuable? Like Westbrook can drag a shit team to the 8th seed.. but he'll also clash with the best scorer on the planet over who should be taking the last shot. Allen Iverson was a one-man offense.. but was he ever great at optimizing teams with other scoring talent? James Harden up to this point in his career showed us how he can be the be-all, end-all center of a scoring system... but has he shown us that he can win big with that? Has he shown us that he can OPTIMALLY integrate other talent into that? I'd say no. Right now, he's showing that he can be a team offensive driver for a high level team offense.. but watch the games.. it looks MUCH different than the prime Houston years where he drove away all the real talent that came to play with him. When he was being given MVP consideration... but now when he's doing things that WIN, you don't see him getting those same looks.
My thing is, how can James harden be a Top 5 shooting guard when he is not only a full time point guard but he didn’t break out to the star we know of today until he started playing PG. James is not a 2 guard
James Harden only put numbers because of Mike Diantoni system. The same System that took Nash from all star to two time MVP. If you put Wade in the DiAntoni system, Wade being a much better defender clutch and leader than Harden, the Rockets would have made it to the Finals
D Wade played defense, had a more efficient fg%, more clutch, had better playoff performances(better #s in the playoffs too), had his prime in the slowest pace era in nba history, and he played on worse teams. Idk why we are acting like Harden ever played on a worse team than the heat post chip/pre Lebron . Those teams weren’t good by any means Wade also jumped off the screen with much less dribbles . James needs to dominate the ball and run iso most plays to be effective, Wade can do that or play team ball
Jeff Teague didnt like watching Kobe. He thinks James harden is better than DWade. Didn’t know Jimmy butler and the g leaguers were embarrassing them in Minnesota to make a point..I don’t know how this guy stayed in the league as long as he did. He doesn’t love the game and he didn’t care.
These dudes tripping lol, I normally I don't like say that but yeah man. D wade easliy better! Better closer, defender, leader, and shot maker when it matters. Now, I will say they both about even when going to the cherry stike. Harden would flop and travel, while Dwade drove hard which why he had injuries. Jeff Teague is right about Harden goingto the WC Finals multiple times, but he also choked twice a in row being up 3-2 against the warriors when CP3 went down. D wade woulda took over one of those games. We talking about Prime Harden and D wade, right? I'm 29 btw.
Harden shrank in the Finals (12.4 PPG, 37.5% FG) and in the clutch in other playoff series. And before you blame youth, Harden was almost 23 in 2012 Finals and Wade won a title and Finals MVP at 24 in 2006.
D-Wade use to lock him down especially in Heat worst seasons! Look up there match ups when they played! I appreciate the true honest reality thats in the comments!
We gotta stop leaving defense out of these conversations. And stop dis crediting Wade's championships with lebron like he wasnt the second best player on those heat teams, and if lebron actually showed up in 2011 they would've won
Bro went to 1 final and every year he gets smoked he eats, gets traded, repeat. Harden is lazy af. Cp3 has also only been to 1 final...4 teams, a ton of hall of fame talent, unlimited excuses.
The problem with his Harden is he is nowhere close to being as complete of a player as D Wade. When Harden goes cold, he is literally a waste of space on the court.
That’s not true at all because he’s a better rebounder and a way better facilitator than DWade.
Wade isn’t more well rounded than Harden
Wade was named to the All-NBA defensive team 3 times. How many times has Harden?(ZERO) Not to mention Harden is averaging exactly ONE more rebound per game for his career, so it’s not like he’s that much better at rebounding.
@@MarkPerchatschonly thing wade got on harden is rings be fr
@@montay1kmoneyteam902 rings, playoff performance, a finals MVP, being the best shot blocking guard ever. If you started watching basketball in 2010 just say that.
You must have not seen those games when he couldn't hit the backboard @@kingjaydex7464
I hate how DEFENSE doesn't matter when comparing players these days 🤦🏾♂️
Wade >>>> Harden
The best defenders get scored on more than they get stops . That’s why . When you defend the best players defense doesn’t really matter
@@Tomorrowsgone So when you're a BAD defender and try to guard the best players wouldn't the outcome be WAY WORSE
If a great defender can hold a 30 point scorer to 27 WHAT would happen if a bad defender guarded that same person see how you trying to just dismiss defense 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
And for a second I was about agree with Teague!!! Thank you!! Wade is definitely 3rd now thinking about defense as well
@@luqmanmuhammad802Wade is arguably the greatest shot blocking guard of ALL TIME and it wasn't even mentioned during this debate 🤦🏾♂️
@@grostoss4259 Prove me wrong with using FACTS 🤷🏾♂️
"Ringless foul merchant Harden" 😆
James would have won with a prime Shaq
@@marvinmj7075 Shaq averaged 14 and 10 in those finals. As for Harden no he wouldn't have made it past the Pistons in the ECF. He's a professional choker in crunch time how can you still not see that?
@@marvinmj7075Shaq averaged 13 points in the 06 finals. He was washed and got carried
Harden may have wade on the offensive side by a slim margin. Dwade’s got him on the defensive end by a a huge one. That’s the key difference. And he won it as the man on his own team before Bron.
He doesn't if we going by stats cool. But if we going by watching the actual game. Dwade scored when it matter he wasn't a no show in the playoffs like harden. He lead the heat to a championship with shaq of course. Harden has had more talent and hasn't done what wade did. Jeff Teague is slow for his opinion. Defensively like you said he's blowing Harden out the water.
Slim margin ? Put some respect on Harden name bro
even that.. Dwade has a deeper bag than Harden tho.. Don't get it twisted.. Harden was an elite player.., but he is just a better three point shooter than Dwade ... that's it.. Dwade's game is more explosive.., more acrobatic.. more tough.. Dwade was a dog when he was on his element.. Harden is a different beast.. but he don't got that Dwade killer will.. Dwade damn near went to five finals
Harden has Wade by a huge hargin on offense not by a slim margin
@@jonathaneagle3554Harden has a deeper bag than Wade. He was a far better shooter and had better handles. He only played that way when D’Antoni became coach. Harden could get in the post and face up and had a midrange game under McHale
Kobe literally foreshadowed James Harden career said he’d never when championships like that and he was right.
Harden still playing
Harden still playing and is the 3rd best player on his team. If they win he ain’t winning FMVP
@tredawg4847 still playing don't mean he gonna win
@@BriefKeef Duh but he’s still playing so he has a chance
He wasn’t talking about Harden he was talking about the iso and heavy PnR style which nearly every team in the league including the Celtics have adopted. Now to this point yes Kobe remains correct and even if the Cs win a championship they needed a legit super team to do so.
Harden always disappears when it matters the most in the playoffs. Dwade always turned it up during that time.
The only reason harden doesn't have chip is because of the 2017 warriors.
@@ytbasketball101lmao no it but the warriors was beating LeBron and Kyrie stop the fuckin cap lmao
how harden was by his self he did better than lebum getting swept u stop the cap
@@ytbasketball101uh correction HOU was eliminated by the Spurs in the second round
Harden took that Golden State team to 7 games. That same team SWEPT Lebron.
Just for some clarification, the Rockets with Harden "by himself" only went to the west finals one time until Chris Paul showed up and then they did it a 2nd time. Teague making it seem like they went to the WCF "like every year" is almost as hilarious as anyone thinking Harden is better than Wade.
What’s funnier is, Harden had a coach that perfectly fit a style for him to play with teammates that fit those roles for him to succeed. And still came up short
Wade actually by himself (07-10 & 14-16) he got out the first round 1x. We can give 06 it’s flowers but we don’t need to act like he was 06 every single year and he had a still pretty good Shaq
@@MrSlashbladei love Shaq, my favorite player, but year 2 Miami Shaq was already on a decline. Wade carried the Heat on that Finals run. Shaq year 2 Miami is on the same level as Howard or Paul, and Wade won the chip
@@MG-yj6lo so you’re saying that Wade would have beaten GS in 2015 and 18? Even if that’s true GS is objectively better then 06 Dallas, and Wade had to be Harden like (16 FTA a game in that series) to get the win
@@MG-yj6lostop Shaq and as still dominant at that time and still needed to be double teamed….. quit making stuff up to fit your narrative I remember those runs like they were yesterday
D Wade doesn’t get the respect he deserves.
D Wade does so much more on the Basketball Court than Harden
He never had a 50 pt triple double or won an MVP
That man James had 60 points 10 rebounds and 11 assist .. wade has never had a stat line that great all of his points came from the free throw line also ironic asl because who’s the best foul baiter in history 😂😂🤡
Harden never won a chip or wasn't garbage in the playoffs or had an impact on winning like wade.@outtabad
@@outtabadhe won a ring in his 3rd year. He has a finals MVP something harden will never sniff.
@@outtabadwhat has harden done in the playoffs to even compare to Wade?
He went to the wcf 2 times in Houston what is this guy talking about. These athletes just be saying stuff without fact checking
That would mean something if the person he was being compared to didn't win championships smh. They not comparing him to Luka 🤡
You think he don't know that ? Still dint win shit...
James Harden can’t guard a parked car… he’s a turnstile and he’s a quitter and he disappears when it matters. His game was also predicated on shooting free throws based on flop fouls and four step travel jump shots. To sit here and say he put up 35/8/8 big freaking deal. He was taking 22-25 shots a game, and was completely inefficient. He never had a field goal percentage above 45% outside of 2 seasons. Wade is a career 48% from the Field. This isn’t even a conversation. At times I think Jeff Teague says stuff to say it because some of this shit is just embarrassing. James Harden is not close to the player that Dwyane Wade is. Not close.
Lol as much as Ima Wade fan, Harden has never avged under 50% from the field goal. Check again
@@SaintFrenchy I suggest you check again. James Harden has NEVER SHOT 50 percent in his career. His CAREER BEST as the No. 1 option was 45.6 percent with Houston. He was not the number 1 option in OKC. That was his best 49.1 percent his third year. I suggest you do a little research. Be well. James Harden CAREER shooting percentage is 44.2 percent. D-Wade's is 48 percent. Feel free to look it up. I never speak or type without knowing the data first.
Field goal percentages mean absolutely NOTHING because the analytics moved the game to a place it should have never went. Also Harden was a high level defender in OKC he’s always been capable he just doesn’t try at all for whatever reason.
Exactly
Call me crazy, but I rock with Clyde Drexler. The guy was incredible. Who knows how many accolades he would have if the league wasn't so deep at guard. He didn't even make All-NBA when he averaged 27 in the 80s.
fr fr people be forgetting about Clyde the glide drexler!!!!
jerry west??
Lmfaooo the league was not deep at guard at that time. Name players who matched up against MJ & Clyde back then ?
@bighomie7104 it actually was that's the thing if people didn't follow narratives and knew the history
@@MakaveliCVW you didn’t name anyone
Dwade doesnt choke in the playoffs, Intangibles crazy, impacts winning and very unselfish. In 06 or 09 Dwade coulda won MVP but 3 Rings and a Finals MVP beats 1 MVP any day of the week.
Harden took the greatest team ever assembled to a game 7. The same Warriors who were sweeping prime Bron . Don’t let that go over yalls head
I swear people seem to forget that shit!!!
I mean D.Wade lowkey have a deeper bag offensively than Harden and played better defense. Injuries is what hurt Wade fr f.
Deeper bag offensively !? Absolutely not.
@DJALLURE Harden don't have a Post game... lol What can Harden do that Wade can't?
@@89skeezy exactly. These harden fans are new age kids not knowing ball lol
@@89skeezyshoot the 3 reliably!
@marrigtherebel3133 Reliably? Man go pull up his numbers. lol
DWade score 28 pts a game and allows probably 15. Harden scores 30-32 but also allows 30 pts scored.
Harden was not Jokic on defense bro. Average on the perimeter and elite in the post
Harden is a dogshit defender
D Wade was not a lock defender knock it off. While Harden does not try to defend in the slightest he was just as good as D Wade when he was playing for OKC and for his first few games in Houston. I hate when people rewrite history…. “Wade would give up 15” Harden only gives up 15 guarding role players too that’s not impressive. Defensive players that actually guard and stop STARS are so far and rare but it’s disrespectful to them to pretend Wade was like Tony Allen…..
Wade wasn’t a great one on one defender. He was to small for most of his opponents. He was a great help defender.
@jamesonedwardsii4349 you don’t know basketball lil bro stop it
Jeff is funny with the stories but he can keep his best SG takes to himself.
The NBA shooting guard position is too talented for a player only dominant on 1 side of the court to be considered 1 of the best. Mike and Kobe were elite defenders. James 1 of the best scorers ever. He is and always has been food for his competition on the defense end. Wade has NEVER been a liability on defense. Wade has the record for most blocks by a shooting guard. Wade is just as elite on offense as he is on defense.
Jeff has such trash takes. The fact he believes harden is better than wade is laughable
Harden is a better player obviously
@@billjames1216 in no world is harden better than wade
@@SouperDonkey harden is a better player fact he can shoot
@@billjames1216 he can shoot but lacks most other assets to be better than wade defense leadership heart he. He can fill the stat line but it’s got him no chips and he’ll most likely never get one.
@@SouperDonkey What does curry do other than shoot
Receipts. I''ve seen James in those Moments, pass the ball to team mates who weren't expecting it and proceeded to stand in the corner, wanting NOTHING to do with that smoke. To D-Wade, those moments were sustenance.
Wade couldn’t pass the ball that’s why he had very few moments like that. Wade wasn’t a willing passer.
@@luddman77Lmfaoooo hilarious how little you know ball, clown ass lil kid
Harden has offensive stats, but defense and team accomplishments matter. George Gervin was a better scorer than Kawhi. Who would you rather have leading your team? I'm a big Rik Smits (and Pacers) fan, and KAT gets numbers, but I'd take 0 offense Ben Wallace over them.
Team and individual success is to different accomplishments. Not only that, look at whose coaching these players and the organization.
Wade was an unbelievable driver to the rim.
Harden can drive to the rim or pull up from three
You can argue Harden over Wade when it comes to who is the better player but there's no doubt that Wade is a far greater player than Harden. Best and Greatness is two different things.
You can’t argue either, learn basketball
@@keel381💯😭
I always say this. People don’t understand it at all. Idk if Harden is better than Wade but when it comes to Bron and Mike I’ve always thought Bron handled it the wrong way. Should’ve went the Floyd Mayweather route because it’s literally impossible for him to be the GOAT since Jordan did everything first. LeBron should have said MJ the GOAT but I’m TBE. I personally believe Bron is the superior basketball player that’s just me tho.
@@jamesonedwardsii4943 listen up jabroni. To be the best ever your skills have to be the best ever which lebron doesn’t have💯to be the greatest ever is about resume which also lebron doesn’t have💯
I agree, this is the most unbias comment I’ve read!!!
All I'll say is that Wade's injury ruined their post championship chances. He was still great but you can't take away the fact that he got injured.
How much do we value MVPs
Harden disappeared under bright lights and then they made one rule change and he instantly was barely half as good as he used to be.
B Hens audio was so bad they had to give him subtitles 😂🤦🏿♂️
Harden is no where near Wade this is only just a debate because Harden won MVP and most of y'all remember him when Lebron teamed up with him (Heat dynasty) but if you look back at Wades career in '04-10 he was a monster he played like a MVP caliber type of player, second best shooting guard in the league after kobe and best player in the league at one point in era where he needs to play against Kobe, prime AI, prime Tmac, prime Carter. I dont wanna hear any excuse that wade had help Harden too and yet he's still not winning any single chip
Harden was a MVP finalist 5 TIMES, most people know he shouldve had more than 1 MVP, he aint just a regular one
“Y’all got Mike Beasley had me crying” I thought he was gonna be the goat
Jordan, Kobe, D Wade.
You can't be greater when you never actually WON.
Actually you can
Yooo AI better than James harden lets be real. Mj Kobe wade ai harden is the order
Now you bugging
@@Kangman02i agree AI is in a league of his own
@@gangstagummybear3432ai missed the playoffs 6 Times, got to the CF only once
@@GXprogamer no shaq no phil jackson, no 20 ppg scoring team mate 6 feet tall
@@gangstagummybear3432 well too fucking bad eh? Yall dont care about Harden’s unluckiness so i wont care about AI’s either😂😂
Notice how stats wasn't brought up and they went off what they SEEN these players do
James harden was cold
But dwade was colderrrr and got the rings no debate
When you hear certain players give their perspective on the game itself and other players…you can kinda see why their careers went the way it did…
Boy Teague lyin harden made the WCF twice and both times he made it he either had Dwight or CP3 with him.
Dwight howard played 41 games in that year + CP3 had a terrible injury and couldnt play G6 and G7
Your point?
Wade after 06 was hurt for 2 seasons straight with his starting lineup hurt too. When he got healthy Miami didn’t give him a decent team.
Wade took a team to the finals and won , harden go crazy in the regular season tho
He cant be the 3rd best SG of all time whrn he's made a career of not showing up in the playoffs. Regular season achievements have to be validated through playoff performance.
I see Teagues argument and point. But it’s still flawed logic. Arguing Harden is greater than Wade because Harden had a few good seasons in Houston is like arguing Jimmy Butler is a greater SF than Kevin Durant.
He’s saying Harden lived in the WCF and most of Wade’s success came from teaming with LeBron. Well, I can use that same argument to say Jimmy Butler, who lives in the ECF is greater than Durant, who’s had the bulk of his success after teaming with Curry.
See how that works, Jeff Teague?
Teague also said he went to the WCF every year but he didn't go to the WCF every year there was a few seasons he lost in the 2nd round too
Without Shaq and without Bron Tbh Dwade and Harden Would Be the same person bc wade wouldn’t have won nothing either bc after 06 nobody even mention the Miami Heat let’s talk bout it until Bron went there
This is exactly why the MJ vs Lebron thing is even a debate. Everyone ignores the fact Jordan was DPOY and a 9 time all defensive player. Wade is a significantly better defender than Harden BUT Harden stayed on the court more. So you have to take availability into account as well. If I had to pick, I'll take Wade before Harden because he's a two-way player.
Wade got a longer career then Harden. You know Wade played 16 years? Harden is in his 15th year. Y’all can talk about defense but I remember wade in his prime we started lookin at him because he was beginning to not try as much.
@@MrSlashblade Harden played in 1058 games as of today compared to Wade's 1054. That's why I said you have to factor in availability.
@@KiNGMe21 I mean the issue is you make it sound like the availability is similar to LeBron, for one LeBron case is him significantly outdoing Jordan’s prime while still dominating. Harden off of a technicality isn’t really availability, because for the past season and 3/4s he’s become a role player. Even then you aren’t gonna sell me on a point that is literally two weeks old
@@MrSlashblade The numbers say Harden was a much better "role" player than Wade. So I'm not sure what your argument is. If you take Jordan's 13 years with the Bulls and match it against Lebron's best 13 years, Jordan got him.
@@KiNGMe21 and if you take lebrons entire career vs Jordan’s entire career it goes to LeBron. This idea that we have to shrink the window makes no sense especially since in a 13 year window bill is greater in a 7 year window Wilt is miles ahead of Jordan.
For wade and harden this availability argument is just a dishonest way to hardens case. Teague case is he’s seen Harden take worse teams to great heights while even a year 2 Miami Shaq was still all nba first team
It's crazy nobody talks about defense. It litererally doesn't count. He has more blocks, more steals. better off and on ball defender by far.
Tbh don’t hate me for this but dwade had a 4-5 yr span of being great out of 15 seasons so I see why Teague said what he said . Dwade injuries hurt him but it is what it is Harden lapped him in 1st team all nbas . That mean number 1 at the position.
Harden didn’t have prime Kobe to compete with. Watch more basketball kid stop watching stats
Harden ALL DAY. And Wade was a beast. But he not fuckin with James Harden.
Putting him over doc jay,George gerwin, d wade , mitch ritchmond, Manu ginobli, etcc.etc.. maneee these folks tripping I don't look at stats
Thank you THE WHOLE POINT OF PLAYING THE GAME IS TO WIN
Winning is a team effort, not just an individual.
Y’all keep saying harden did more with less but what year harden didn’t have another superstar?? Dwight was there Cp3 Westbrook Melo the cap be crazy 😭
Tell me how many of em were healthy in the playoffs
Gtfoh he ain't better than wade ain't better than manu ain't better than iverson if your putting him at the 2 ain't better than clyde he's lucky brandon roy got hurt cuz he'd be behind him too y'all just look at numbers
It’s not even a fair comparison. Some of these players will list who they prefer because they are buddies with the player. Anyone who truly knows professional basketball knows that D. Wade was the superior guard over James harden, who constantly choked during the post season. Most folk would have Jordan, Kobe and D. Wade ranked 3rd best! In fact honorable mention to Clyde Drexler who should be taken over harden too.
No he wasn’t. Wade couldn’t shoot!!
Wade and iverson over harden any day of the week
@@MakaveliCVW Iverson all day, but wade, I’m not sure about that!!!
came back for this convo after the shaq interview.
UD a goat man.
Dwayne Wade must be the 1st best sg ever then
Harden is AI 2.0 and AI is AI - much respect due. No question.
AI better than Harden lmao
For me its: MJ, Kobe, Wade, Harden and Iverson - in that order
so wat we doin
@@Gwuapgang square up
He must be friends with James Harden or something because this isn’t even a debate Wade with two good knees would’ve been a top 5/10 player dead or alive! It’s deadass like people forgot everything he did in Miami the minute LeBron decided to go there but in 2011 he literally would’ve been the finals MVP if LeBron didn’t choke 😭
If Wade had the same usage rate as Harden Tegaye may think differently.
Harden didnt turn into a monster until he started passing the ball to the open guy in the corner and was considered a "great" point guard.
You know you getting old when we have generations of ball fans who dont know how great Dwade is... Dwade brings more than harden on the court... I give harden the pick and roll game, passing and three pointer... and explosive scoring thats it...
Now if we look back at Dwade's overall impact, clutch performance, defense, offball, post game,, he is what you can get to being complete player... even the euro step that harden gets credit for.. it was dwade after manu who pioneered those moves in the NBA, and people seem to forget that... even the stepback thing james does.. only difference is james harden got more range which i give him credit for...
If I want to build a team from scratch Im picking james harden... however if I want to contend for a championship im picking DWade... All I have to do is pick solid vets around him and some co stars as well.. James Harden, to be honest im not suree.. dude had the most help in his career and still fall short and chokes everytime... people need to remember james harden teams are always stacked except for his first 3 years in the rockets.. but other than that... he always had co stars and solid team around him... but dude is jsut a choker and history proves that
What a goofball
No defense and 5 turnovers a game while completely destroying a team identity and never winning.. good luck convincing me with that argument.
Harden better
I seen a dude tweet today that Jokic impacts the game more than prime LeBron. Like dudes forget it's two sides to the ball. Jokic and Harden are amazing offensively but neither impact the game like Bron or Wade.
Jordan Kobe Iverson
Peak James Harden stats (2012-2020)
29.6 PPG (with 3 straight scoring titles seasons of averaging 30+)
6 RPG
7.7 APG (with an assist title)
46 triple doubles, with nearly half in 2016-17 (2nd that season to Westbrook)
1 MVP (top 5 in voting 6 of his 8 seasons in Houston and never finished below 9th)
8x All Star
7x All NBA (1st team 6x, 3rd team 1x)
Peak Dwyane Wade stats (2004-2011)
26.6 PPG (with one scoring title)
5.2 RPG
6.6 APG
0x MVP (finished top 5 twice, with highest being 3rd in 2009)
7x All Star (ASG MVP in 2010)
6x All NBA (2nd team 3x, 1st team 2x, 3rd team 1x)
3x All Defensive 2nd team
1x NBA Finals (with Finals MVP)
I think Harden's the better offensive player by a mile, but Wade's better in all the other metrics that matter which is winning
Are we forgetting that Dwade actually never reached his prime due to bad knees ??? and still he is top 3 SG of all time.. im not saying he'll have a better career than Kobe because thats Kobe but please.. Dwade was a finals MVP in his 3rd year.. his prime was supposed to be 09 and onwards but all those years are riddled with injuries thats why KObe and Bron completely eclipsed him...
Anyone saying james over wade should search Wade 06 finals and see for yourself... that is jordanesque.. dude completely took over...
Wade is a complete player that elevated his game in the biggest moments. Idk where we lost the plot in all of this but D wade won in the most bulletproof way. Harden who is very talented has had moments but has also had some low lights in big moments. Perfect example is missing 22 straight against Gstate when they had them on the ropes. D Wade wins that game.
Crazy this is even a debate. You can bring up every stat you want in the regular season. Playoff harden is absolutely not comparable to Wade at all.
You know you’re great when 2 of everyone’s Top 10 players list in Lebron and Shaq they both come too play with you
hardens game is so noticeably affected by the rules, his team, and the playoffs that putting him in the top 5 is blasphemy
Prime Wade was the closest thing to Mike, way better and efficient than Kobe. His prime was short tho, them first 4-5 years in the league he was unbelievable
I guess y’all forgot about A.I
The only way I can see it is AI is in his own category, he shits on all guards with what he was capable of at that size, and basketball wasn't even his primary sport
Did Jeff Teague forget that in 2011 Dwade damn near averaged 30 5 and 6 in those finals and lost out on his 4th ring and another finals MVP because Lebron choked. Also we forgetting Dwade was 28 when he joined with Lebron. If Dwade kept that pace he was on he would’ve had 3-5 more seasons in the MVP race. I can’t believe the nonsense arguments man
What would of happen if a prime Wade played with prime KD and prime Kyrie Irving
Nothing because kyrie and kd didnt play while James was there
They only played 15 games together
First of all AI #3 SG All time
From 06-07 & 07-08 seasons Wade only played 100 games combined that's why they ended up with Beasley in 08 draft. The following two years Wade carried those Miami teams right back to the playoffs before Bron and Bosh arrived. Wade over Harden any day
For comparison let's say
Offensively
Harden = A+
Wade A-
Defensively
Harden = D
Wade = A
That's the main difference.
"...James Harden did more with less."
"And didnt win s***"
Thank you UD.
I fw Teague but he crazy as hell if he think harden better than wade .. mf’s forget how cold Wade was !!
You’re comparing a 3 time nba champion with someone who has never won anything, never shows up under pressure, lost to the warriors consistently and disappoints. #notevenacomparison
Wade was a lot more hungry, the best SG defender ever 🤔 leads all SG’s in Blocks.1 of the best clutch players ever.Wade is the 3rd best SG of All-Time 💪🏾💪🏾 Hands down.James Harden in my eyes Maybe the best Scorer ever 🤷🏾♂️ But not a better player than Wade, Now Harden and A.i would be nice comparison 🤔💯 But Wade is 1 of the best playoff performers ever.Highlight after Highlight.Along with several finals appearances 💯 Harden would have to win Chips to start leaping the Best SG’s of All-Time, Which means Performing your best when it counts.i will say this if Durant never went to golden state and won 2, i would have said Westbrook and Harden had better careers then Durant 🤔💯 but he made a Wise boss move and now he’s that guy 💯 If Harden wins while being a high caliber player then his Legacy would sore 💪🏾 and if he don’t, the critics will probably look at him as a meaningless scorer, like Carmelo and Durant 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ ooooh
Have you seen harden? He looks pretty hungry too and satisfies that hunger by eating
@@EJ-gx9hl i agree.i Thought he was focused in Brooklyn but Kyrie’s shenanigans turned em off 👍🏾 He’s always been focused no lie, it’s just i hope he can perform in the Playoffs at a high caliber facts
@@vonward5318 you obviously didn’t read the second part of my comment
Mike asked the real quesiton.. and one that the True Hooper mfs never seem to consider...
Yeah.. Harden was better than Wade with bad teams... but... does that shit actually scale?
People just assume that if you're the kind of guy that can drag bad teams to the playoffs, that you must also be the kind of guy that will do even better with better talent.. but NBA history tells us VERY CLEARLY that those are separate skillsets. There are relatively few players that can do both. MOST players can only do one or the other.. and in that case, which is actually more valuable?
Like Westbrook can drag a shit team to the 8th seed.. but he'll also clash with the best scorer on the planet over who should be taking the last shot.
Allen Iverson was a one-man offense.. but was he ever great at optimizing teams with other scoring talent?
James Harden up to this point in his career showed us how he can be the be-all, end-all center of a scoring system... but has he shown us that he can win big with that? Has he shown us that he can OPTIMALLY integrate other talent into that? I'd say no.
Right now, he's showing that he can be a team offensive driver for a high level team offense.. but watch the games.. it looks MUCH different than the prime Houston years where he drove away all the real talent that came to play with him. When he was being given MVP consideration... but now when he's doing things that WIN, you don't see him getting those same looks.
What I feel like that matters is championships and who was so unguardable to the poin the nba changed rules to the game
2006 Heat hade Shaq and a bunch of legends
And shaq wasn’t even shaq fr
My thing is, how can James harden be a Top 5 shooting guard when he is not only a full time point guard but he didn’t break out to the star we know of today until he started playing PG.
James is not a 2 guard
Two sides of the ball. Wade is SO much better than harden defensively as we all being able to carry a team scoring..... How is this even a question?
Harden is a stat padding with no care about winning while Wade is a Leader who led his team and can sacrifice for the team
I’ll take D wade anyday and twice on Sundays 🤷♂️
No
James Harden only put numbers because of Mike Diantoni system. The same System that took Nash from all star to two time MVP. If you put Wade in the DiAntoni system, Wade being a much better defender clutch and leader than Harden, the Rockets would have made it to the Finals
So ahead of AI and D. Wade?
D Wade played defense, had a more efficient fg%, more clutch, had better playoff performances(better #s in the playoffs too), had his prime in the slowest pace era in nba history, and he played on worse teams. Idk why we are acting like Harden ever played on a worse team than the heat post chip/pre Lebron . Those teams weren’t good by any means
Wade also jumped off the screen with much less dribbles . James needs to dominate the ball and run iso most plays to be effective, Wade can do that or play team ball
Dwade > Harden, but harden deserves more credit. He’s one of the greatest offensive players of all time.
Jeff Teague didnt like watching Kobe. He thinks James harden is better than DWade. Didn’t know Jimmy butler and the g leaguers were embarrassing them in Minnesota to make a point..I don’t know how this guy stayed in the league as long as he did. He doesn’t love the game and he didn’t care.
Wade never gave up on the play unlike harden and he was elite on defense
These dudes tripping lol, I normally I don't like say that but yeah man. D wade easliy better! Better closer, defender, leader, and shot maker when it matters. Now, I will say they both about even when going to the cherry stike. Harden would flop and travel, while Dwade drove hard which why he had injuries. Jeff Teague is right about Harden goingto the WC Finals multiple times, but he also choked twice a in row being up 3-2 against the warriors when CP3 went down. D wade woulda took over one of those games. We talking about Prime Harden and D wade, right? I'm 29 btw.
Harden shrank in the Finals (12.4 PPG, 37.5% FG) and in the clutch in other playoff series. And before you blame youth, Harden was almost 23 in 2012 Finals and Wade won a title and Finals MVP at 24 in 2006.
1. Kobe 2. Mike 3. Harden 🤝🏾
Prime Dwade is locking Harden up and letting him know about it, would have Harden shook
Being a better scorer than someone DOES NOT make you a BETTER player!
D-Wade use to lock him down especially in Heat worst seasons! Look up there match ups when they played! I appreciate the true honest reality thats in the comments!
We gotta stop leaving defense out of these conversations.
And stop dis crediting Wade's championships with lebron like he wasnt the second best player on those heat teams, and if lebron actually showed up in 2011 they would've won
Jeff forgot defense exists. What a coincidence that Wade is better at defense and has 3 more championships.
Bro went to 1 final and every year he gets smoked he eats, gets traded, repeat. Harden is lazy af. Cp3 has also only been to 1 final...4 teams, a ton of hall of fame talent, unlimited excuses.