There are theories that Abuela favors Isabella not because she views her granddaughter as a "babymaker" but because she is projecting the life she could've had onto her. The movie concludes that Abuela's choices were motivated by her husband's murder, and that she's grooming Isabella into the perfect woman, with the perfect life, and the perfect marriage to the perfect man of the village because she's trying to recreate the life that was robbed from her. It should be noted that Abuella, when she was young, looked uncannilly similar to Isabella, which maybe why she gravitated toward her granddaughter and trying to set her up with Mariano, who looks like a hunkier version of her late husband (right down to having similar personalites as they're both good men who are nice, dorky, creative romantics; because Dolores mentions Mariano writes poetry as a hobby and Abuelo Pedro was a writer). It was only until Mirabel got Abuela to reconcile with her trauma and to start seeing her family past their utility and as people, that she finally realized it was very wrong of her to try and live vicariously through her grandchildren.
Honestly, I think Abuela would have been fine if she had found out that Dolores liked Mariano before the movie's climax. I mean, Dolores has a gift too, so there still would be grandbabies with gifts.....
That makes a lot of sense. Because imo Dolores could've been the golden child considering she's the same age as Isabella, soft spoken, and super gorgeous. I'm surprised there was no rivalry between the two.
@@kpbennett7743 I recall watching a video that brought up this theory, so maybe? But I also read TVTropes. A lot. Which I know reading the articles relating to it, especially "Fridge Brilliance," after seeing the movie during the holidays.
Definitelly a latin grandma admiting her mistakes and apologizing is the biggest miracle in the movie Edit: Just in case, it's very common that families in latin america have either a Grandma or Grandpa who is usually super involved with the family but is also VERY stubborn and very prideful, and refuses to change some behaviour or being open to learn the things their children or grandchildren want to teach them. I know this isn't just a latin american thing but it's something we know very well
I just wish she had apologised primarily to Bruno alongside Mirabelle, he was easily the one hurt most by the pressure and attitude she forced on people but never got a proper apology.
When she "apologized" and was all "It was my fault, woe is me", I'm sure that was just a manipulation tactic to get Mirabel to forgive her. Mirabel, she emotionally abused you and your entire family for your whole lives and kept you all squished under her iron thumb and she alienated and hated you for not having a gift which makes her a massive hypocrite because she has no gift herself, Alma pulling a 180 out of nowhere and giving a half-baked apology is a huge red flag, seriously, she's probably just manipulating you and taking advantage of your nice personality to make you let your guard down and eventually abuse you again once you think that everything is fine. I'm warning you, Mirabel, people like her are irredeemable! Run while you still can and take Antonio with you! Edit: Please ignore what I just said, and I'm sorry, I just reeeeeally don't like this Alma character and in my defense, other people hate her too so I initially felt comfortable posting this comment but now I regret it. I'm sorry. Edit 2: Yeah, I guess I was too hard on her, she does have her redeeming qualities, ok? She just makes it hard for me to like her but I know she changes, now I really want an Encanto series so I can see if she really changed 100%.
13:50 I thought her retrieving the candle seemed perfectly reasonable. She's been raised her entire life to view the candle as the most important object in the world - of course she had to try to save it.
I agree with this interpretation, and it's not like it's unreasonable! The miracle didn't come with an instruction manual, but one of the few things they absolutely know is that the miracle kicked in at the absolute last second to save everyone from a horrible violent death. Losing the miracle could be fatal to not just the Madrigal family but the entire community, and they have every reason to believe the candle is physically the miracle and not just a symbol of it, so the loss of the candle was a genuine existential threat.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: You have to be really careful with the messages your art ends up expressing. If Mirabel had gotten a gift in the end, the message would switch to "You deserve acceptance when you become special" and if the rest of the family hadn't regained their gifts it would switch to "You'll be accepted once you don't stand out anymore". I think Disney made the right call on these particular decisions.
yeah and the fact that rebuilding the house probly took 6 month to like 2 years because a) they don't have their gifts to help them and b) its the early to mid 1900s, they don't have the machinery we have today, even if the whole village's building it, its still a mansion thats probably the biggest house in the village. During that time frame they probs learned to live and love themselves a little more without thier gifts. it why it evoled when it came back to them, isa doing different plants, peppa making happy hail, luisa not even using it and taking a break, they can finally express themselves.
I agree. I was honestly a bit scared about that after the nth trailer where it basically said "Now Mirabel has to save the family". I thought that it would be this totally not cliché Great Adventure, where our protagonist finds out how special she really is. So I really liked that she didn't get a power at the end, because you don't have to be a genius to be valuable.
My knee-jerk reaction to it was annoyance at the whole "have your cake and eat it too" ending that some movies have, where the character "gives up" something to show their character growth, only to receive it again later as a reward for their growth. But after thinking about it more, this movie doesn't portray the powers as 100% positive things, and a lot of the characters either subtly or overtly show how the expectations and realities of the powers have had negative repercussions on their lives. The family's character growth wasn't through sacrificing their gifts, it was through admitting their insecurities that stemmed from them. The only character that COULD have had a sacrificial ending was Abuela, as she was so desperate to hold on to the magic that she was unable to see the damage she was causing under the family's surface, and needed to relinquish that hold to show her family the love they truly need. This could fit in with the "Maribel is the new conductor" theory that I really like, because it would let Abuela pass the baton to Mirabel and undergo that growth (which I believe she does to an extent at the end). I really like the subtle character beats that fly under the radar throughout the movie. The ending did feel a bit rushed, but there are so many little beats that deserve multiple rewatches to catch and understand.
@@utspaz849 yea ur right, i have a feeling they wanted to end it with them losing the magic, but they probably added it back to make the movie have a tv show potential, now that theres a chance that mirabel is the new matriach,. I feel like they'ed do a time skip for a new member of the family ( eg if delores has a kid) and mirabel will be the one giving the gift instead of alma
Mirabel's ending truely meant a lot to me as a disabled person. I've never related to a character's self worth issues so deeply than I have related to Mirabel's. It's so hard to grow up "normal" and then become disabled later on because people in your childhood have big big expectations and you don't end up fulfilling them. It shouldn't be embarrassing but it does feel that way when you're going through that because people pity you. Mirabel publicly not getting a gift and having to deal with it really mirrors that experience. Also, Mirabel finding her value without a gift honestly feels so so similar to my own journey of finding my role in my family when I cannot cook, clean, or bring money into the house like my other family members. I now know that I bring a lot of value to my family irregardless of my physical abilities but it took me many years to refind my value. I think that is very similar to the journey that Mirabel went on. I would have been heartbroken if Mirabel had received a gift in the end, because her story does truly mirror a disabled person's existence. And I'm sick of disabled people in movies only being able to find happiness when they are magically cured. Not everything can be cured and fixed, and it's important to show someone thriving even without the skills that society expected of them.
Encanto actually feels like a Disney movie that SHOULD get a series. Because, as you said, it has too much potential to be contained in one movie. I also think it will help with the story’s pacing and give us more depth to the characters. Let’s be honest, the characters really are the drive of the narrative being told
I agree. Some ideas that could be explored in the series (with the success of this movie and the songs, it's less a matter of *if* and more a matter of *when*) include: Camilo not knowing who he is (which is why he might have gotten the ability to transform into other people), Dolores feeling second-best to Isabella (she might not outwardly express it, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be there), Pepa struggling with her bottled-up emotions, Antonio (just more Antonio), Bruno in isolation (and we need more of the rat telenovelas), and what happened during the rebuilding process for the house. Mind you, these are only some possible ideas. Any other ideas are welcome.
@@OmfgHiii You kidding? Seeing how Bruno reacts to having that cursed power back alone would make for at least one interesting episode, 'specially if they pick up some of the old ideas where his power would be physically draining. There are all the unexplored character dynamics between the family members! Like Camillo and Mirabell, who are basically the same age but barely interact. Is there a reason for that? Or Isabella and Dolores, who clearly wheren't on the best of speaking terms. Does mariano still have feelings for Isabella? Did he have any at all? How will the triplets interact now that Bruno is back? Does Abuella manage to not fall into old habits? How about general sibling dynamics? Identity crisis? Bruno and Dolores bonding? She could hear him all the time after all. And that's all just looking into future stuff! We could just as easily get a mini series looking at the PAST of the characters! It doesn't always need a big plot like the destruction of the world, or solving a mystery. The damage the family has doesn't go away just becouse they talked it out. But most importantly, a series can be way more focused on "slice of live" and character dynamics than a movie!
I dunno tbh. I kind of prefer stories like these to be left as standalone stories where it's purely up to viewers to interpret what things mean. It's sort of like monsters in horror where we hardly know anything about them, the more you know, the less interesting it gets, because there's less room for speculation. But that could just be my own interpretation.
Honestly, I loved the Bruno room scenery. It shows how big and empty and isolating his room is. It built up to the mystery of his character.....and then he turned out to be a lovable nerd who watches rat soap operas. I think that was intentional. They were building him up just for him to be a tiny dork. They wanted us to expect something different than what we got. And it was hilarious. And Mirabel going for the candle symbolizes that she is willing to put her life in danger to save the magic immediately after Abuela accused her of hurting the family. She immediately turned around and did the opposite of what she was accused of. She's basing her worth on saving the magic, and is willing to risk death to do so. Abuela got to witness that, and realized how wrong she was.
Also, the destruction of the room makes way for Antonio's comeback, as he offers his room for Bruno's ritual. So it had more narrative merit than at first glance.
The scene of Mirabel getting the candle also led to the scene of the house protecting her, which not only was heart breaking (that house has so much personality!!) It really showed the bond between her and the casita. I also liked Bruno's room, plus some writers have explained that one of the reasons it looks that way is that it changed as Bruno isolated himself, which explains it being so hard to reach the top of the room.
Bruno's room in and of itself is great. What doesn't fit is the action sequence. Not only is there no good reason for the vision cave to collapse, it doesn't serve a narrative purpose. Additionally, it leaves a loophole. Luisa said the grownups never found the vision after Bruno left. Which implies they were looking for it (which I would say would make perfect sense for them to do). Yet, that vision wasn't hidden away. There was no challenge only Mirabel could master---that missing bridge wouldn't have stopped any grownup for longer than it would have taken to get some building materials from the village. So, instead of that action sequence, a personality challenge would have been more appropriate. Maybe a neatly sorted library of past visions that clearly had been searched through, and Mirabel---after some frustrations---realising that the final vision wasn't put there but was broken and thrown into a trashcan. Next, we could have contrasted that with a wild stack of books in Bruno's hideout and a throw-away line by him (right next to the "kitchen adjacent" line) that he doesn't have to neatly put his books onto shelves there. This would have shown how his mother's demand for perfection (and not just everyone's bad reaction to his visions) negatively affected him.
My only concern when it comes to more Encanto content is focusing more on the lore/magic than the family. I don’t want another Frozen 2 out of this. I don’t care where the magic came from or what determined each Madrigal’s gift. I want to see more simple interactions among the family and their community. How is Bruno adjusting after ten years inside walls? Do the grandkids attend school or have friends outside the family? I’ll take backstories on Augustin and Felix before I take any more save the magic stories.
SAME! I desperately hope they don't try to explain more of where the magic comes from. It ruined Frozen 2, and it would ruin this movie even worse. the best part of it is that you can interpret it so many ways, just like so many of the lyrics have many meanings at once. Expanding the lore of the magic would only hurt it.
This is 100% headcanon, but considering that Luisa can tone down her strength to hug Mirabel and Pepa can control the weather if she can get the right headspace, it's probably fair to say that Dolores can change how sensitive her hearing is. Especially, considering, she lives in a family involving two married couples that clearly love each other and *haven't stopped having kids* for nearly twenty years straight.
Honeslty, I wouldn't be surprised if this is how the powers worked for the entire family. To a degree it's all with in their control, like Bruno doesn't always need to make a "vision" to see the future, like maybe he can just look at a person and just see something that's pretty immediate, like a goldfish dying or the Pastor going bald. It would also explain why Camilo's eyes turned green during his "We don't talk about Bruno" segment, because he saw his uncle make an on the spot prediction with his eyes glowing green and it frightened him.
She's probably capable of controlling it, but also too curious for her own good... So whenever something unusual comes along, she at least has to get a little peak
Yeah, I think so too. We see her having to directly concetrate to hear Marianos plans for his and Isabellas wedding. And fireworks don't make her unable to hear. I think she probably still has a better all around-all time hearing than most people, but she can probably somewhat limit it.
It definitely seems like she can control her hearing selectively now as an adult. But imagine poor 5 year old Dolores having absolutely no clue what she's hearing, and her mother and grandmother thinking she's lost her mind.
I have to say that the scene with the house falling down was very emotional for me. Throughout the entire movie, I treated the house as a character in itself, and at the end of that scene I ended up in tears. The house, despite being the one that suffered the most, had to silently accompany the sadness of each one, and in the end, did not measure efforts to ensure everyone's safety. Honestly more than anything else it was a character's farewell scene.
Encanto is one of the most refreshing Disney movies I’ve seen in a while with some of the most unorthodox musical numbers in the show. I think the combination of the bouncy dialogue of the songs combine with the imagery perfectly matching the unique problems the characters face make it very unforgettable.
I was intrigued by the concept of a family having gifts but one of them not getting one from the very first trailer. Lucky I didn't watch the promotional material 10s of times so I was surprised by most of what this movie had to offer.
13:45 In the scene of Mirabel getting the candle, I read another interpratation, of being the moment Abuela realises the damage she caused to her family, where Mirabel was willing to risk her life to protect the miracle, to protect the candle, a candle, Abuela realised she made her family believe a candle was more important than them.
Yes, that’s how I read it. Because she’s been blaming the cracks on Mirabel all along - if the house just fell down after a screaming argument, she’d still blame it on Mirabel. But nearly losing her - being unable to protect her when she risks her life in an attempt to save the miracle (I love that you can hear Abuela’s panic when she’s calling her) - is exactly what makes her realize that she’s forgotten who the miracle is for. She was desperate to preserve the miracle to protect her family, but now her granddaughter is in danger protecting the miracle. That’s what realigns her priorities.
@@bookcat123 Exactly, just one thing, when I said "I read another interpretation" I meant literally, as in I saw this idea on someone else's post, don't remember who they were, but I did not come with this on my own, though I wish I could. I not looking to be mean, I just felt I would be lying if I didn't clarify that.
The scene to save the candle is relevant as more than just an action scene. Mirabel is also thinking in superficial terms of “saving the miracle”, which she thinks she must do to matter to the family. It’s her role, her chance to make them proud. Of course, the house has to collapse, because saving some wax isn’t what’s going to fix the cracks. It’s understanding and reconciliation. It also plays into the “rushed” turnaround of Abuela. Yelling at someone doesn’t change their minds. And long talks are…. not what kids films do. So, for her to be snapped out of her mindset, she needs to lose everything, at the exact moment she’s confronted by her guilt in the problem. There’s no more argument with the magic gone, no more trying to save face. And she just witnessed Mirabel risk her life to try and save the candle. It all works to give her the emotional smack to admit her failings and apologize.
Agreed! This is exactly how I interpreted it. There is a lot of storytelling going on in that moment - the road cracks in half first, because the Madrigal's help hold the community together and their division divides the community. Then it splits between Abuela and Mirabel, showing their division. Pepa sees the candle will fall first and yells in fear, but it takes Mirabel leading to spur the other members of the family into action. They all focus on the candle because they've been taught that the inanimate object is what keeps their family together - not their love and respect for each other. While Mirabel and the others are focused on the candle, Felix's look only towards Pepa. Isabella catches Abuela as she stumbles. Abuela is frozen in fear, because she has always controlled everything by planning and can't react to the unexpected head on. Felix tells them to leave, after grabbing Antonio - because he cares about his wife and son more than the miracle, and Julieta and Agustin only cares about Mirabel in the moment. The picture of Abuelo - who sacrificed himself for the family - falls before the house. And ultimately, Bruno's tower crushes the house below it.
I'd love to see a series that just follows the family's daily life, like the Tangled series minus the grand adventure, I'd be just as happy with normal stuff they have to go through
Encanto seems like the perfect catalyst for a TV series. Each episode focusing on a different family member's struggle, as well as how maybe townsfolk or heck even outsiders interact with the family.
I think it'd be cute if in Luisa's quest to learn how to relax she goes looking for a teapot, and she meets a cute potter girl and found friendship and more if Disney had the balls to do an actual LGBTQIA character that isn't just a flyby blink and you'll miss them person. . I am just stating a small headcannon that I'm not even going to die on, I think that making any character LGBTQIA+ would be a great step forward. And no it doesn't need to be Luisa. I said her based off of the fact that my girlfriend is built like her where as I'm built small and soft looking. So it's a bit of projection, I'dove for Disney to actually have the balls to put in a good variety of LGBTQIA characters of all shapes and sizes.
13:45 I think it’s because the Miracle is SUCH A BIG DEAL to the family, that she legitimately feels that the risk to her own life is worth POSSIBLY saving the candle, since saving it MIGHT mean the magic can be saved. All the years and years of the magic being the most important part of her family makes the possibility of losing it a threat worth RISKING HER LIFE to her. It’s a sign of how badly she has been affected to her very core, and how badly Alma’s attitude has damaged the self image of her children and grand children. I’m willing to bet that seeing Mirabel nearly get herself killed, and Isabella and Camilo also put themselves in danger for the candle was a part of the wake up call Alma experienced. She was told that she was breaking the family, then as her home begins to fall apart around her, instead of getting out and finding safety, her grandchildren run as fast as they can into the MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE to save a dying candle. Not just Mirabel, who’s self worth has clearly been hurt, but also Camilo and Isabella. The jester without any way to keep himself safe and the beautiful, successful, powerful golden child who just got what she wanted more than anything NEARLY GOT THEMSELVES KILLED trying to get the candle. She realized Mirabel wasn’t just talking about herself. Alma saw the proof when Camilo was desperately shape shifting to avoid being crushed by debris and Isabella almost broke her neck swinging towards the candle. She saw with her own eyes that the seemingly most secure grandchildren from both sides of the family thought their own safety was less important than a candle. She saw Mirabel was right.
I never thought about that. You're right it was probably another huge factor in her realizing she was wrong. She just blamed Mirabel for not caring about this family, Mirabel told her her "we all love this family". Then several members go and risk their neck for what is basically the symbol and center of the family.
I actually DO believe that mirabel and Casita are way closer to each other because of mirabel permanent stay in the nursery. From the very first scene of the movie we can see that Casita can influence every built in feature within mirabel's room; later we also learn that said influence ends just in front of the magic doors. I can imagine that this constant cohabitation is what make Casita just DO stuff for mirabel without her constantly giving commands like abuela does.
Agreed! I can picture Casita being there to comfort her after she hadn't received her gift, or being her only playmate before Antonio was born (because the rest of the family was busy).
Casita helps other family members throughout the movie (acting as a treadmill for Luisa, giving Dolores steps during We Don't Talk About Bruno, everything during Antonio's ceremony, breaking Camilo and Isabela's fall when the house is collapsing, etc.) but Mirabel is the only one who talks to Casita, aside from Abuela. Presumably, only Mirabel and Abuela, having non-magical rooms, can interact with Casita all the time, so the house probably knows them better than everyone else.
according to Jared bush, if I remember correctly, casita can influence other rooms. The only reason it couldn't influence bruno's room was because he abandoned it, hence why it fell into disrepair.
I’d argue that the rest of the Madrigals not getting their gifts back would undercut the point that Mirabel is special without a Gift the same way that her receiving one would. It kind of implies that Mirabel IS just as special as the rest of her family… but only when they’re cut down to the same level as her.
Also it would arguably imply that the family can only funcion healthily when the individual members are NOT so special anymore, and they are just like everyone else.
Another point the movie made was that the value the members of the family had wasn't from living up to expectations using their magic powers but because they're real people with their own self worth, having an ending where after a brief moment in which the family shined without magic and rebuilt their home without using a magic stick of wax and wicker, they're magically given they're magic back, makes that message weaker since nothing really changed in the family besides the abuela learning from her mistake and the members letting loose a bit. If they lost their magic and still shined as people whilst also rebuilding their lives after the loss of the casita, that would've been far more impactful than the neat and tidy classic Disney ending we got.
Loosing the magic would endanger the whole village now since the magic practically protected the place from outside invaders. Give it a few years and it will be attacked like Abuela's old home.
At the same time I would enjoy an ending where the powers are not given back because it would strenghten other themes. In particular I am talking about the value of community, healthy communication and confiding in others. For my particular reading I focus on the scene in which the township helps the madrigals rebuild the casita. To me it highlighted how the madrigals and the community surrounding them were never in a healthy relationship with one another, as the former felt like they needed to take the brunt of responsibility and continually stay a strong, unfaltering foundation for the town while the latter never had the understanding of how vulnerable the madrigals were and inadvertanly relied on them too much and put pressure on them to keep up. With the family losing all of their powers ,they were cast down from the venerated position they were sitting on previously and the township no longer had that foundation of their special abilities to rely on. Except, instead of crumbling, they were the ones to actually help lift the family up, working with them to rebuild the casita, which in itself can be interpreted as a stand-in for the miracle itself, showing that the miracle was never the power but the bonds that kept them all together. This works at the family dynamic, but I think a further emphasis should've been done on how the madrigals were not on their own and how their work and dedication to those around them helped foster a community that could stand on its own and, if need be, support those who have contributed so much of themselves to it in turn. By having the powers return to the madrigals, to me this personally narratively cheapens that moment since it's a soft return to the status quo, once again putting the madrigals on this pedestal through special gifts, while the community around them feels more isolated and less relevant once again. But hey, that's just my take on things and, frankly, I think either idea for the ending works fine, since the movie hits those same notes anyway, just in a different "proportion". And I may also just be tired of similar endings in media and wish that more of them would make it a point that whatever was lost cannot be returned and that's alright.
@@batflashzyzz y'know, vilify is actually the correct word here right? well, actually both words work fine and are both true to some extent, but you didn't need to correct them.
Disney also did it with the Sky Riders in Solo: A Star Wars Story (which is pretty good and not as terrible as The Rise of Skywalker or as controversial as The Last Jedi). And they did it with Loki in the beginning of Infinity War. The audience is lead to believe that Loki is stabbing Thor in the back again as is typical for the God of Mischief, but it was a front for Loki to attempt to assassinate Thanos. Thanos caught on this almost instantly and gave Loki a gruesome death (by MCU standards).
One aspect I really liked is how Mirabell and Bruno have a lot in common, the whole family unconsciously pins their problems on them rather than accept reality.
one thing they share is an ability to see things as they are. Bruno sees the future for better or worse, and Mirabel is the only one to notice the problems in her family (first the cracks in the house, then why they exist). This is alluded to in their character design: Bruno's eyes glow green when he's seeing the future, which parallels the green in Mirabel's glasses. It's also no wonder they're both outcasts, in a family that's hiding so much pain. One that's so dismissive or afraid of the truth.
I loved so many of the minor subversions in this movie, especially how it doesn't throw them in your face or pat itself on the back for them (unlike, say, Frozen). -Bruno not being a villain, despite his excellent villain song -Abuela not being a villain either: she's the source of the conflicts, but she isn't portrayed as evil, just hurt -Mariano not being an abusive, misogynistic jerk, just not Isabela's type, and nice enough that she couldn't turn him down without ruining everyone's view of her -Luisa being feminine, and very emotionally expressive -The amount of creative visuals in the musical numbers! I really hope this becomes a trend for CGI animated movies going forward.
No lie, while definitely not my favorite animated movie of all time, it was the most relieving in terms of subversions. Using Frozen as an example, it literally feels like Hans was shoehorned into the villain role out of nowhere, and the movie would've been better had his villain arc never existed Meanwhile, in Encanto we have multiple characters with perfect motivations to be evil in this movie and they weren't. No Bruno deciding to destroy the whole family, nor Isabela having some psychotic plans to keep herself perfect, nor Abuela abusing the family she fought so hard to keep. Not even Mariano being a scorned ex trying to exact revenge. Nobody was forced to be evil in this movie just to check off some cookie cutter plot points, and that alone was refreshing. The collective of subversions really does make this movie wonderful
Also, Mirabel is not a sulking ball of angst in spite of the fact that she honestly has every right to be one. It's so beautiful how much she loves her family, how proud of them she is, and stays genuinely positive while facing constant faliure to live up to expectations.
I would also like to add how they didn't remove Isabela's femininity when she was having that whole change. I feel like Isabela as a whole just breaks away from so many stereotypes we would've expected her to be
@@whoopthy I'm glad too. Actually there was a previous design of Isabela having a punk-rock look, and I feel that would have been an over-used trope? Don't get me wrong, I do love characters with that kind of design, and I prolly wouldn't have a problem if Isabela became like that in the movie, but its just refreshing and lovely to see that just because she's breaking her perfect image and embracing her true self, doesn't mean she's suddenly going to be the "masculine cool girl." I feel like that's become an over-used trope. She's still feminine by the end of the movie. It's abt how she's now unafraid to express herself and be who she wants to be.
Another great Isabela subversion was, after Bruno got his vision, I was afraid the whole rest of the movie was going to revolve around wAcKy hijinks trying to get the sisters to fulfill the hug prophecy... but then they actually resolve that a scene later! I was happy the ending didn't rely on the importance of mystic clairvoyance over familial bonds.
The movie had a lot of pacing issues in the second act, but i genuinely loved it and cried super hard when I watched it. If it could get a show like tangled and expand on the story and world building that would be awesome!
As long as it's well done. Otherwise, it risks undermining what was a fantastic movie. Sometimes, you get too many answers to things better left mysterious, and that detracts from re-watches of the original movie.
Bruno's tower isn't dragged out, I think it makes total sense that a relic used to see the future as well as being despised by an entire village would be locked and sealed away in a massive chamber. I can't really see an alternate universe where Mirabel walks right in and exits with the plate, I love seeing characters actually have to work for their goals. And in this case it shows how desperate Mirabel is to save the family.
Also, we know that the family members can shape their rooms to an indeterminate extent (Isabela replacing all the roses with native tropical plants) and that Bruno's room used to be right next to his sisters'. I'm guessing his room just slowly became a lonely tower in the far corner of the house as he started to feel more and more isolated. It also probably has a lot to do with his reluctance to use his power; if his room is a pain in the ass to get to, no one will come looking for prophecies.
Also it shows, and can symbolically represent, what happens when a family member is ostracized. When he left to protect Mirabel, Bruno's room started dying. I think it was very deliberately set up to have a similar scale and features to Antonio's room, but whereas Antonio's room is vibrant and fun and full of life, Bruno's is slowly falling apart, and Mirabel only gets the prophecy out as it crumbles to nothing.
I think part of the purpose of the room was also to help build up Bruno's mysterious, frightening reputation.....only for our expectations to be completely dashed, and for him to turn out to be this dorky, loving guy who was just as tall as Mirabel.
Them getting their powers back felt inevitable to me because the powers are representative of the family member archetype they embody. Louisa is the strong older sister Dolores is the family gossip so she hears everything. Camillo is a social butterfly prankster. Julieta is the mom whose cooking just makes you feel better. Pepa is the crazy aunt who shows up and after she leaves it feels like a hurricane just blew through. Isabella is the sister that can do no wrong. Antonio is the kid who's obsessed with animals or dinosaurs. They're all normal people turned up to 11.
I have a head canon that, when Bruno was first going into the walls, Dolores tried to convince him not to but Bruno practically begged her to keep it a secret from the other family members. However as the magic was fading and people were getting older, Dolores started to become desperate and leave subtle hints to where Bruno's whereabouts were. ( her comment about hearing rats talking in the walls, her entire part in we don't talk about Bruno)
Also (thanks to that tik tok going around) my headcanon is that she REALLY wants to know what's going on in those rat tellanovelas. (Also she's likely been the one feeding him and her keeping that ONE BIG secret makes it hard not to keep any others.)
She also would have been a little girl of about 8 years old. That's quite a heavy burden to place on one young child while the whole reason behind wanting to hide out is to protect another child.
As someone with Aspergers, Bruno's and Mirabel's treatment really spoke to me as well as the song "Waiting on a Miracle". I've often caught myself saying something similar to "don't be upset or mad at alll".
People still refer to it as Asperger’s? I generally just refer to it as ASD when talking about myself. Though, of course, people can refer to it however they want as long as it’s not offensive.
Abuela doesn't need to be punished, humbled and broken. That's people not understanding the final revelation of the film, which is about generational trauma and there being NO villain in the story, only victims who deserve to heal. I suspect it's a generational thing to want Alma punished. The honest ones among them will grow up and find her pain and mistakes more and more relatable as they themselves do things they can't take back.
The entire song is just so incredible, but my favorite parts of WeDontTalkAboutBruno would be Dolores and Camilo. The best sound in the movie is Dolores' high pitched "hmm" though. Also, you are the best, Animagician!
I agree, I mean, hasn't she suffered enough? I'm not saying that justifies her actions, but after she realises what she's done and apologises, what more punishment do you need? she just saw her second home get destroyed, which she got after losing her first home and her husband, and she realises its her fault... just how painful must that be? I don't see a need to guilt her any further, that would be just hurting for hurting, not to heal. Plus, in the movie they make a point of not taking away her blame, they just don't dwell on it, because that would be pointless and more hurtful, Mirabel doesn't tell her "you didn't break the family", she says she didn't break anything that couldn't be fixed, and the abuela knows, she has to live with what she's done, but as long as she learns from it and changes her attitude for the better then you don't need to punish any further, her own guilt and past suffering its punishment enough. if she has acted that way its precisely because she of all she's suffered, what she needs is help and love, not punishment. I think people are just used to having a "standard" villain that gets punished at the end, but I love this movie, the biggest villain was generational trauma and lack of communication.
"I suspect it's a generational thing to want Alma punished." I'm really curious what exactly you mean by this, please elaborate. Here's a few different meanings I got from it: *There are some people who feel like a story must have a villain. They are not understanding the point of the movie- they see it as a "good guy beats bad guy" rather than the more complex family-oriented plot that it is. This is a generational thing because most movies have villains, even when it is unnecessary to the message (Frozen, Zootopia, just any movie with a bad twist villain, really). *There are some people who want Alma punished because they have dealt with a person like her. This is a generational thing because family issues are far more common than they should be. You say these people must grow up because their want to see Alma punished and in pain is stemmed from their own pain, and that they are lashing out in anger, when the correct choice is for everyone to try to heal. This group may also include those who thought Alma apologizing was unrealistic and surprising since they do not often see the Almas of their lives admitting mistakes without basically being forced to. I'm assuming it's the first one, since that makes a bit more sense given the rest of your comment (and I just saw an example of the first in another thread), but the second idea intrigues me and is interesting to think about as I may slightly fall into that group (though not enough for me to consider the ending at all wrong and I loved it a lot).
I just love how people want characters that make simple mistakes to be so harshly "punished", yet Captain MAGA from Falcon and the Winter Solider deserved a pass because "the pressure, you guuuuuuysssss!!!" Qwhite telling what people's thresholds are 🤔
I really liked how this movie just focused on a small-scale environment, and it allowed to flesh out the characters more. Speaking of the characters, they were so nicely fleshed out and memorable!
I would never call Encanto perfect movie, just "so good that I don't care for any flaws". It just made me feel so warm inside. It's doubly cleansing since last 3 Disney movie were... maybe not "bad", just "bad for modern Disney". Also, I would not remove to climax action sequence because Casita falling apart and still desperately protecting everyone was the closest I was to tears in a long time.
@@metalskulkbanepl161 Ralph breaks the internet was Disney’s way of saying ‘see how much cool stuff we own!’ and completely killed Ralph’s character. Frozen 2 had a confusing plot where Elsa is somehow the fifth spirit, yet ice is just another form of water, which is ALREADY an element....sooo? Raya had stunning visuals, but was incredibly forgettable somehow. Oh and the music. The goddamned awful music 💀
Dolores was around 12yrs old when Bruno left, meaning she has had her powers for 7yrs, so Bruno is fully aware of her being able to hear everything. She was old enough to remember him and she was sympathetic to his situation, being like the only one in We Don't Talk About Bruno to actually say something that isn't spooky or begrudging of him. I think he spoke to her when he went into hiding and explained that he will be away for awhile and that she should keep it a secret for now, the irony being she can't keep small secrets but knew of the biggest one for years. She knew he was safe, probably sneaked in some food for him ("stop pretending to be dolores so you can have seconds"?) and maybe even found joy in his telenovas. When she said she could hear the rats talking in the walls i found it odd because she can't understand animals, except if she was hinting at Bruno talking to the rats. Meh i dunno, but it's fun to speculate
Not being available to keep some secrets, but keeping huge ones is a coping mechanism. The logic behind those people is "if they think I can't keep one, then they'll never even wonder if I'm hiding something"
@@dwoktheraynejonsohn4849 yeah, but maybe there was a reason why Camilo chose *dolores* of all people in order to sneak food. If Dolores sneaks food to Bruno, it’s possible she often takes a lot of extra food at mealtimes, and over time the rest of the family would start assuming she just has a big appetite or something. Would explain why Mirabel doesn’t question the amount of food ‘Dolores’ had on her plate at the time.
In the song she not only doesn't say anything bad about him, she kind of explains it all even. Like "they didn't understand his prophecies, so they began to fear and ostracize him" Implying she actually does not fear him, unlike all the others
I paused it at "what is the narrative focus of Be Our Guest?", to come here and answer. Be Our Guest serves as the household objects trying to win over Belle, doing their part so she'll want to stay and eventually warm up to the Beast. Something that irritates me about a lot of readings of Beauty and the Beast is that they leave aside the fact that the household objects are servants who are also under a spell and are also desperate to have the Beast break the curse, so of course they would do whatever is in their power to make Belle feel welcome. I think it's a crucial narrative beat.
Which is what is nice about the inclusion of 'Human Again'. ...The first time I saw Beauty and the Beast, I spent the entirety of 'Be Our Guest' on edge, expecting Beast to come bursting in and furiously disrupt everything at the end of the song.
I thought the reason why Mirabel and Isabella's dislike of each other was because whenever Mirabel would mess up, Isabella had to deal with the consequences as the older sister, and Isabella trying to do what she could to be perfect and Mirabel messing it up, Isa would probably get very mad and Mirabel, and i'm guessing it happened often
Yeah, I got that feeling too. I mean, I don't think Mirabel messes up intentionally, or even particularly big things. But as the older sibling, you do kind of have that responsibility to "look after your sibling". So when a 4 year old Mirabel pushes over the jar of sugar while Isa is in the room, it would be Isabellas fault. Mirabel getting hurt with Isabella around: Isabellas fault. Mirabel not getting her chores done: Isabellas faut. Becouse Isabella is the older, and should know better, and look after her siblings becouse she is the perfect big sister and role model. And the older you get, the more that spirals, and the more you think them messing up reflects onto you, even if it doesn't actually.
actually, according to the book, the reason Isabela was mean to Mirabel was because she was jealous that Mirabel didn't have a gift and didn't have to go through so many expectations the way she did, which I find very interesting
Maybe so, but with the proposal.... Mariano could have just tried proposing again later right? Not every couple has a perfect proposal moment, and isn't the marriage the most important thing??
@@DrawciaGleam02 well in the first place, isa didnt even want to get married to mariano. so in her mind, she was probably just thinking "lets get this overwith" but because maribel caused so much ruckus now isa has to deal with the stress of getting married AND dealing with maribel. it also doesnt help that everyone expects her to do/be everything perfectly first time without failure so a lot of her frustration got projected to maribel
I will say, Mirabel attempting to get the candle while the house is falling apart, to me, was further cementing her love and dedication to her family's wellbeing. The house is literally falling apart around her, and this girl who has NO POWERS is still doing her best to save something she knows is precious to her family and especially Abuela, even after realising that she'll never be good enough for her literally moments before. She's not doing it to prove herself anymore like she was throughout the movie, now it's simply a selfless, instinctual act of love, persevering despite having realised she'll never be enough, and her doing so in that context helps to emphasise just how unwavering that love for her family really is
I also subscribe to the interpretation that seeing her grandchildren risked their lives to save a candle was the final nail Abuela needed to see the extent of the damaged she’d done
13:45 Mirabel reaching the candle was VERY important- it showed that the family relied on their magical gifts and they were still unable to get to the candle. Only the person who didn’t use magic could get to it.
I disagree on Brunos Room. I thought it was a great bit of visual storytelling on how people suffering with mental illness like anxiety and depression feel like we need to make ourselves distant and difficult to approach. We, like Bruno, have been convinced that we are the problem. We don't want people to come to close because we think we are going to screw it up in some way.
I thought the action beat of the house falling apart showed that the family relied on their powers too much and Mirabel, who never had powers to rely on, was able to get to the candle by her own means. Showing she is still capable without being “special”
Agreed. I'd say even she is capable in that instance exactly because she grew up without powers. Probably she was not given powers specifically so there's someone around who doesn't fall apart without powers.
I personally think that the scene where Mirabel is running to get the candle really shows how badly Abuela’s prioritization of the candle and the miracle has screwed the family up, to the point where one of them is putting it over their entire life. I feel like that really would have served as a wake up call to Abuela to start treating the family as better and more important than their powers.
I was REALLY glad they got to keep their gifts. As someone who was deemed exceptional because I have things I'm very passionate about, I was scared of them loosing their gifts because it would have left me with the message "Hey, you need to abandon your passions to be healthy". Instead "You're more than just what you're useful for" as they went with was a lot healther imho both for those who are treated as exceptional and those who feel bad because they don't feel exceptional.
It would have made me feel especially sad about Isabella, who only now discovered what she can do with her gift. Permanently losing it shortly after she finally figured it out would have been awful.
I think getting their powers back makes sense if you view them as a metaphor for having special skills. When everything is a mess, they lose their confidence and joy in using those skills, but when the family heals, those skills are still there!
I can't believe Disney pulled off a bottle episode in a feature-length movie. the way this movie and characters are laid out I think of any Disney movie this one is begging to become an animated series like many of their other movies have.
They got away with it by just moving all their faraway lands indoors, and completely breaking reality as needed. Notice how nobody asks what actually happened during "Pressure"?
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 I interpret the songs (probably besides "What Else Can I Do which does literally occur) as Mirabel's 'gift': she's seeing the emotional state of those around her and reality warps to convey that message. Whether they're non-diegetic (and are therefore only occur to portray those emotions to us the audience) or they are part of Mirabel's ability to see people, most of them do not occur literally. In the real world of the film, "Surface Pressure" is probably a short conversation or maybe a 'Vulcan mind meld '-type deal between the sisters, idk.
I feel like people who complain that abuela wasn't apologetic enough really don't understand what it's like being from a family with a violent background. Like my grandparents, aunts, uncles, and parents were refugees during the Vietnam war and good luck trying get any one of them to talk about it AT ALL. Growing up I would get into arguments all the time with my mom about what her expectations were for me and my sister. But growing up, I've had to realize that trauma from her childhood really affected the way she raised me. And while it would be nice to get an apology for some things, I understand that I have to take what I can get. The fact that abuela was able to apologize AT ALL? AND admit she was responsible for their broken home? Now that's a miracle
I agree. Sometimes, the most truest apologies are being proven through actions, and letting the actions speak rather than words. We got enough of that in her final moments and the final song. It's all fine.
The best apology is changed behavior, and that is EXACTLY what the end of this movie gets us. That's why I CANNOT STAND criticisms from entitled viewers who say nonsense like they hate the grandmother's character/that she didn't apologize enough/wasn't punished enough/wasn't "held accountable"/etc. ESPECIALLY when said criticism comes from people who are not POC. Ohhh so you think Abuela Madrigal was unforgivable for yelling at Mirabel ONCE??? Wait until you hear about what most of our latin american and/or immigrant parents did to us on a regular basis.
A lot of it comes from (and I say this as a white person) white folk who are projecting and looking at it from an Entitled American perspective, and being too stupid that they can't take clear context clues from a WHOLE MUSICAL NUMBER and need to be spoonfed an apology conga line like toddlers. Non-verbal communication is just as valid as verbal communication.
12:55 To convey how much the servants enjoy serving Belle, not because Belle is super fun to serve or because they love serving, but because they love serving ANYONE. It's supposed to give you an idea of how isolated this people have been. But at least they got eachother, the Beast isolates himself even more, so this subconsciously lets you understand better the atmosphere of the mansion before Belle got there.
Not only do I like how Encanto represents Colombians and Colombian culture, I also like how it represents the racial diversity of Latin American community and you can tell right away with the Madrigals themselves. Most fictional media would just portray Hispanic/Latin American people with brown-to-dark skin. But there are definitely different ethnicities and skin tones within Latin American societies no different from North American societies. Any Hispanic/Latin American person can be black, white, indigenous, asian, mestizo/mixed, etc.
I loved this, myself. It's also why I don't understand comments from people who think Pepa is adopted. Did they not see the newborn with red hair? Genetics are cool because they can offer surprises sometimes.
It felt nice to me too. I’m not hispanic, but Indian, and for some reason we’re always represented as having incredibly dark skin in western media. I’m not saying some of us don’t have dark skin or that that’s a bad thing, but there are loads of fair skinned Indians (my mother and brother, for example) and it WOULD be nice to see a fair, or atleast lighter skinned non stereotypical Indian in media.
@@Sparkletta But doesnt Bollywood push the light skinned ppl in the movies...without the darker skinned peers? I would think that the latter feels seen..aftet soooo many years.
@@DeeDiamond2981 yeahhh so theres basically zero balance. On one hand there is western media with all indians being dark, and then theres my own fricking country where the dumb colonialist concept of 'fair skin >> dark skin' still prevails, and honestly, i now think western media is doing better 😭
I really liked the fact that they enforced Isabella’s expectation for perfection by what she says to Mirabel. All Mirabel knows is that Isabella has hated her for as long as she has been able to remember and she doesn’t understand why till she has her sister-sister emotional moment. The fact that Isabella views Mirabel as a stain on her perfection is imo absolutely based on what abuela has said about her, especially considering in the scene where Mirabel is helping set up for Antonio’s ceremony both Isabella and abuela tell her she is trying too hard, getting the way, and that Mirabel should just basically stick to the shadows and not try to help.
Hell, isabela + Mirabel spend 5 minutes dancing around + growing flowers together and it ends with isabela saying "you're a bad influence" when all Mirabel did was say "hey, those are YOUR powers - do whatever you want with them! As long as you aren't actively hurting people, grow what you like! Why not?" Isabela was almost certainly told to avoid Mirabel (the family failure) once she failed to get a gift - either out of fear mirabel's lack of gift would affect her, or just because Mirabel isn't seen as being useful or valued or helpful. I bet there's also precedent within the family for Isabela + Luisa needing to cover for Mirabel when she messes up to avoid Abuela's reactions, so isabela probably built up resentment that not only did Mirabel get to be and do whatever she wanted, but she also managed to avoid consequences via her + Luisa's gifts, while Isabela (as the oldest) likely got a lot less support/backup. Isabela is also the oldest, so she is both the one setting the standard for the sisters AND responsible as the oldest to Lead by Example + do things For the Family (arranged marriage etc) instead of for herself.
i saw mirabel trying to get the candle as a last desperate attempt to prove herself to the family, to the point of putting herself in danger-- putting the magic/everyone's gifts over her own safety or even her life. i think abuela looks so horrified afterwards not only because the house is gone but also she realizes how mirabel almost died. i agree with everything you said except for about that scene
The trailers for this movie seriously messed up. I felt so confused during the first half wondering when the "big adventure" was going to happen, especially with that scene of Luisa slaying a monster that was shown in trailers. When I saw it as a three-second frame in her musical number, I felt deceived. The film was absolutely amazing on its own and a refreshing change of pace, don't get me wrong, but the marketing really led on the wrong expectations for the plot
And they undersold how original the movie was, like, it really just made the movie look like your average disney adventure movie like Moana or Tangled except colombian, no disrespect to those movies but considering how this narrative structure is kinda new for disney you'd think they'd let people know about it in the trailers
The marketing almost turned me away from it. The "epic adventure" that was teased made me think that this was a generic, run-of-the-mill Disney movie. I might have never bothered had Schaffrillas productions not given it a glowing review.
Honestly this is the best take on "how the movie could've been improved" that I've seen. Agreeing with everyone, it's a shame a potential series would most lilely be done in the same style of the movie like the new Disney+ animated shows, is like Disney is on the verge of fully eliminating their TVA division once their current shows are over, because this in the Tangles series style would (or similar, like some merchandise features) be an absolute feast for the eyes. Lastly, this movie had a small but very vocal group of haters in Colombia itself, in part simply for being Disney, many apparently were expecting (if not demanding) something as harshly realistic as The Breadwinner, but at the end of the day, they had a rather snobbish and ignorant view of the movie, and animation in general
So they expected a film presenting magic gifts, magic doors, and a magic house yo be at the same level of realism as The Breadwinner? Yeah, they're asking too much.
No hate on your comment, just to provide another perspective. I think the thing about it is, is that abuelas gut wrenching story about being displaced by war, death, and hardship is still going on in Colombia. Of course they’re not going to do that in a Disney movie, but many people aren’t going to think about the fact that it’s still happening because of the way that the movie is framed. I could understand why people would be mad about that, especially if it is their home. I understand what you mean in terms of it being a kids movie and a Disney one at that, but Colombian people who are experiencing that trauma are allowed to be upset
@@curlynerd_23 It is an understandable conclusion, but by the way the comments were done, plus considering the public profile of some of the vocal haters, the chances of them feeling personally aggravated by the depiction of vilence were low. Nobody really elaborated on the vagueness of the violence protrayed, the nearly universal complain was just a "Dumb movie, where are the guerrillas/paramilitary/cartels"
12:59 Me personally, I would view the narrative purpose of “Be Our Guest” would be that it serves as a moment of levity for our hero (Belle), after being thrusted into a threatening situation (being held captive in a castle by a monster) and also relieving built up tension up to that point, showing that she still has comforting allies in her given circumstance. But that’s just my interpretation.
I think "be out guest" is a great way to show that while the Idea of servants as living furniture is a nightmarish concept - the actual characters are still just people, and are friendly - much like the beast himself. Like, the average person would Freak the Fck out if the chair they were sitting in came to life + started speaking, and that's without knowing it used to be a human but was cursed into its current form. So "be our Guest" is both a lighthearted + fun song for fun + levity's sake, AND an important piece of the moral/plot - that things/people that appear scary/terrifying at first sight can be more than their surface appearance.
Also gives Belle a reason to think that the servants are welcoming and nice people and that this whole new setting is not hostile to her, which starts the process to eventually warm up to Beast.
Honestly the family fight would have likely been between the older people. Like Julietta and Pepa arguing over how the village has treated Mirabel and Bruno, or the sisters arguing with the older of Pepa’s kids while Agustine, Felíx and Antonio try and stop it. And maybe Bruno is listening and then sees the house is cracking as things get more heated
But it's believable that due to their family dinamics that didn't happen, abuela is the matriarch of the family and no one ever questions or confronts her. It happens not just because of fear, also because they love and respect her, but in the end this creates a situation in which she can never be wrong and because she's never confronted, her character evolves in this way. Only when Mirabel is pushed to an emotional breaking point is when abuela is talked back for the first time ever, while the rest of the cast still are processing happening and are not in a mental state to start arguing with abuela. Only Bruno later gathers up the courage to go defend Mirabel. So I think it's justified that the fight hadn't been between the adults, which have the family dinamics much more embroided into their minds and need to make a bigger effort to question them. Also I don't see how the village has mistreated Mirabel.
@@tomemeornottomeme1864 That's not mistreatment. People are allowed to feel how they feel. They weren't disappointed in her, just the ceremony since it ended up being anti-climactic.
@@tomemeornottomeme1864 tbh, I think he was just trying to make her feel better in a weird way by giving her something special...but sort of ruined the effect by making her feel even more out of place
I always find it hilarious when people find out about a prophesy that they don’t like but end up making them self fulfilled when trying to prevent them.
we don’t talk about Bruno is an interesting ‘villain’ song Not just because he isn’t even really the villain of the film but because he isn’t singing it - it’s just an ensemble piece about what everyone else thinks about him and how he is externally perceived compared to most classic villain songs that really go into the internal motivation and mentality of the villain
I feel like for Dolores's non-involvement in telling people about bruno is a sort of metaphor about how no one really pays attention to what she says or thinks, they just hear what they want to hear from her, asking about other events. The way she flat out tells us in the song that Bruno is around yet the song doesn't really allow us to hear that clearly is a representation of how she probably tried to tell other people other things, yet they don't seem to listen, or care enough to try. (just my interpretation) :)
People didn't really see the family for the people in it, they saw them for their magical gifts and not much else, and that extended to the family members as well, not just Abuela. I would think the family learned this behavior from Abuela, but she's not the only piece of the problem the family has going on in this movie. She's in a sense not even the true source of the problem either, but we don't really learn that until we see just how much trauma she's been keeping buried and unresolved all these years. Like people were so focused on Bruno's gift they weren't willing to take the time to actually determine if he was telling the future or just making an awkward joke or obvious statement of observation. They were also focused on the wrong aspect of his gift too, as if his future sight was what made that event happen, rather than just being warned the event was always going to happen anyway and that they should be preparing themselves for what comes after. There's a lot to break down and look at in this movie and its characters.
I agree, its the irony of can hear anything, but people tend not to listen. Especially when she says she hears Bruno in the present tense at least twice in We don't talk about bruno.
I honestly thought she referred to the "Man of her dreams" in that moment, and since she can hear the entire village, everyone else might have thought that, too. After all, that's the moment Mariano's approaching.
I think because she can hear Bruno she knows he's not the villain everyone makes him out to be and keeps quiet so she doesn't reveal he still lives there.
Encanto is amazing, not least because of just how relatable and memorable all of the characters are. And I think you're right, we got just enough to understand each of them while still leaving us hungry for more. This movie has made a big impact on a lot of people, including me. My family (eight adult siblings) have actually had a big discussion over the last couple of days, sparked by this movie, about some hurts and grievances left over from childhood caused by expectations and lack of communication, just like the Madrigals suffered, and it's been incredibly healthy and healing for us to talk everything out. I cried a couple of times, both at the movie and with my siblings, learning about the pain they were harboring that I never knew about. I hope this movie can do the same for many, many other families.
"Camillo's transformation are pretty much just jumpcuts with follow through" YES!!! Finally someone addressing it :D I had to frame by frame because I was intrigued in how well they hid most of those transformations in motion and I'm still amazed at how fucking genius is to just pull his hair up and let it fall while he's transforming from Dolores xD It's magic! Brain magic of the animators!
I'm a bit lost as to what she means jump cuts with follow through. Is it because they are quick transformations. I'm not sure what's being pointed out I guess
@@romanruano1369 They literally change character models from one frame to the other. That's what she means that they are jumpcuts. And for the follow through she means like if Dolores' hair is pulled up then they pull Camillo's hair up too and pet it fall. Also he uses turns to hide the transformation and he overshoots those most of the time so you won't know when in the turn exactly the model switch happens.
I really hope it doesn’t take long for them to green light an Encanto series on Disney+ I love every member of this family so much and I really wanna see more of them
I honestly wish they'd be given all the time it needs to develop a really good series though. Tangled the Series came 7 years later after Tangled the film cause they have to think of a decent narrative. While Encanto has more promising sequel or series potential as quickly as Tangled, but I'd hate it if they suddenly released Encanto the series feeling like it has to be done cause popular demand.
for those wondering why they didn't really like the movie, one thing i can attest to is that if you don't relate to the family it is much less impactful. As someone who basically cried through the whole movie, i wouldn't like it NEARLY as much if so much of this movie wasn't painfully relatable
No. I disagree. I didn't like it because it took a very realistic problem with toxic families and dumbed it down to that "if you try hard enough everyone will change and like you". It doesn't happen like that in real life and people need to get away from their toxic families.
@@ricksandstorm Dude, you need to draw a line between someone beeing maliciusly toxic, and someone just accidentaly doing bad things. The movie works becouse non of the family members (okay, besides Isa, maybe) where intentionally malicious or trying to harm the other. They just didn't know the impact they had on others. Like, the howl damage of the Madrigal family can be boiled down to the phrase "Make your family proud"! THAT'S why the solution (while I still dislike Mirabels little speach to Abuela) makes sense. People can CHANGE once they realice and accept that they screwed up. That's why comunication is so important in live. Nothing will change if one never talks things out and just goes "piece, I'm out, you suck".
@@aniflowers1998 Well, to me it seems like she has spent the better part of her life sucking up to everyone and it hasn't worked. I agree that they are not malicious, but that doesn't mean they are good for each other. The movie has a lot of good point going for it showing the different issues the family members has due to pressure from others. My main issue was with how everything was solved in the end and it seemed like everything was good now. Maybe if they make a sequel they can explore how NO, everything is just surface level ok but there are still a bunch of stuff that needs to be fixed before the healing can really start.
I actually think the final house falling apart action scene is GREAT. All the adults are focused on getting to safety, while the ones running for the candle are the kids. You say “maybe it’s about Abuela seeing how dedicated Mirabel is”. It’s about more than that. It’s about Abuela (and everyone else) realizing how much they’ve placed the magic above their family, to the point where their children, and Mirabel especially, are ready to DIE for it. It’s basically a moment for Abuela and all the adults to finally realize “we have made this miracle too important, to the point where we are making our own children devalue their own lives”. It’s one of my favorite scenes in the movie, and if you watch closely you can see a lot going on with it.
As someone who really cares about the bonds he has, I absolutely loved this movie. Also yeah, Surface Pressure hits HARD & I fell in love with it on first listen. Easily my personal favorite of the soundtrack & the absolute range Luisa's actress has was a great part of that.
YES!!! We Don't Talk About Bruno may be more catchy, but there was just so, so much going on in Surface Pressure. I really loved how emotional the singer's voice was as well, it literally makes me tear up every time I hear it
I’m glad you brought up Mirabel’s relationship with the house cause my family looked at me crazy when I pointed out that she was the only one(on screen) who actively had conversations with the house. I just assumed that was her power by the midpoint of the movie till I saw the discourse over her not having a gift online
What’s funny is the theory that she rubbed the miracle off when she wiped her hands after touching the candle. It was debunked by Disney saying that’s not the reason why she doesn’t have a gift BUT has no one ever thought that Mirabel BECAME the gift because she wiped her hands on herself?? Like the magic transferred onto herself because the candle was rubbed on her?? Hopefully that makes sense to you. So she didn’t lose a gift. She BECAME the gift because she touched herself right after touching the candle.
I actually have an interesting idea about Brunos room. We all know that their rooms get created fitted to the person right? And from Isabela we know that their rooms can actually respond to their feelings and thoughts. So the way Brunos room looks makes a lot of sense! By the time he left he was afraid of people asking him for a prophecy and since he needs a big open space they'd probably always have to come to his room. So it changed to make it super hard to reach. Only the ones who REALLY wanted to know their future would endure it, so probably nobody asked him anymore until he had the vision about Mirabel and we all know how that turned out. And for the years that he lived in the walls he tried to forget about his gift. Maybe the room grew some more extra stairs during that time.
I noticed something after my 5th time watching Encanto. Mirabell's sisters got their story arc going from being perfect to admitting their flaws and changing for the better, just as Abuela did. But then I noticed Mirabell did too. She goes from feeling incomplete for not having a gift (waiting for a miracle) to accepting herself as she is when she is holding her doorknob (the symbol of her 'failure') and seeing herself as complete when she says, "I see me, all of me." But they gave her 1 stinkin' line for this! But since the house puts her front and center on the front door, I am with the camp that thinks she is the next matriarch.
14:46 No but as someone who kins to Isabela I fully understand that hatred towards Mirabel, more when you are in a toxic family keeping the peace is the most important thing. Now that your younger sister comes to break that peace you created you would feel frustrated and angry against them
Everyone keeps saying that Mirabel doesn't have a gift, but she DOES have a gift. Her gift is to make & keep everyone in the family happy. And her miracle gifts her the whole house, not just one room - in the end, the whole house ends up becoming alive when she "open the door" just like everyone else does when they get their special magical power. And I like to interpret her door disappearing when she was a kid this way too, as the miracle knowing she would take on Abuela's job when she passes away, therefore giving her the entire house. Bonus points, she talks to Casita most out of all characters which makes me believe in this theory even more. So Mirabel's gift is keeping the family happy, feel loved and heard. She's going to have Abuela's job one day
@@saphirawinters7028 the songs in frozen 2 just kinda came and went. they did not really have any cultural impact, especially compared to let it go, or even we don't talk about bruno.
@@jclkaytwo Agree about some of the songs, however Show Yourself, Into The Unknown and Next Right Thing are the most powerful Disney songs for me. They hold deep emotion. Didn't really like any of Encanto's song except parts of We Don't talk About Bruno because they just don't have the emotional weight.
It's more of an anti-thesis to Meet the Robinsons. Where the Robinsons are a wacky, eccentric family who happens to invent great ideas and know they are imperfect, the Madrigals try to be this wise, mysterious family who use their gifts to keep the town safe but are hiding their many flaws and insecurities.
About the Abuela thing and how she “didn’t apologize.” First of, she did apologize, but it was through her actions. She started to express why she did these things and started acting differently towards Mirabel, Bruno, her daughters(in song too!) and it was really nice. When was the last time someone openly said the words “I’m sorry for X and Y” to you? It does happen but a lot of times our actions are the ones that speak!!!! So it makes the scene feel more realistic, and her character overall more realistic too. Secondly, the dos oruguitas scene made me cry so much and it hit me on a personal level, so it made me feel connected to Abuela and understand her actions. That doesn’t mean they’re justified, but it absolutely made me understand her, and if I was in her position there’s a good chance I would end up doing the same thing.
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 i actually think camilo is quite popular in the fandom and whenever people talk about their favorite characters, camilo is always on the list. for good reason tho, i love camilo
So something interesting, Madrigal is actually a style of music, it's a secular type part song without instrumentals with overlapping vocalists utilizing contrapuntal imitation ( Two or more parts of a song with the same melody are introduced at separate times in the song ) which itself speaks towards the film's message about family and is also the style Lin Manuel Miranda is known for. There are also a lot of small details that I (A Colombian ) find really nice, Bruno looking into Emeralds, which are very prevalent in Colombia. The Fact that Abuela wears a mourning shawl from the time her Husband Died until the climax of the film when she finally reconciles with that. And a hundred other small details. It's a good movie, but there's definitely more that could've been done to make this a truly great movie.
Kind of amazed that Antonio's stuffed tiger never came up again. It would have been a perfect symbol for him moving beyond Mirabel's help: she gave him a stuffed tiger to keep him company, he gets his powers with a *real* tiger and more company than he could ever need, Mirabel feels more useless than ever, cue interpersonal tension and character growth.
Abuela is pushing Mariano for Isabella because she sees them as a second chance at her and Abuelo Pedro's life. Isabella looks like her younger self(even down to the 2 braids in the door ceremony picture) and Mariano looks like Pedro. Also, while Abuela in favored in Isabella, Isa likely felt that Mirabel was her parents favorite with all the extra attention they gave her. I think Antonio was worried about Mirabel and had the animals watching over her when the could, hence his Toucan following her into Bruno's tower.
I like Dolores’s part of the song, but I love Camilo’s bit the most. His voice is so smooth and creepy. And paired with his transformations…ugh, I get shivers, it’s so good
i’m autistic and heavily related to dolores’ sensory issues with loud noises. i loved her character so much and related to her not being able to tone out sounds.
For the Mirabel going for the Candle as the house is falling apart, I’ve always love that part. It acts as a bit of a catalyst for Abuela It truly demonstrates Mirabel’s dedication to the family It shows the Audience that even at that point, after being berated and blamed for trying to help her family, she would still do it in a heartbeat. It also shows how much the family’s worth had been tied to the Candle, So much so Mirabel saw it reasonable to risk her life just for the candle. Thanks to her actions there, when we’re shown that Mirabel ran away and left the Encanto, it left no doubt in my mind that she wanted to return, she wanted to be a family again, she was just desperate for a connection, desperate to be heard. It helps set up the resolution later with Abuela. (It also coincidentally has her see the mountain breaking apart that she saw in Bruno’s Vision, which is the path she then takes to the river) Quick Edit actually, this also ties back to Bruno’s Room, The extent to which Mirabel risked everything to save the miracle, both commendable to how much she’s willing to do for the ones she loves, but also telling of how much weight was put on the miracle itself and not the family, which Dos Orugitas soo depressingly points out
About the Abuela part at the end... you know what would have been awesome? If instead of yelling or fighting with the abuela, everyone sang a slower, sadder reprise of "the family Madrigal" were they spoke how much they were hurting.
That would be great, my idea for that scene would be something like "Your Fault" from Into The Woods, with every family member getting a line about how they feel pressured by Abuela's expectations, building up to everyone all singing at the same time, louder and louder, until they get interrupted by the house breaking
I don't think encanto needed a huge family fight for two reasons 1) ot would've been chliche and 2) watching the movie you can see that they aren't necessarily "dysfunctional ", they just lack good communication. After both Isabela and Luisa's songs Mirabel is quick to forgive them, and the same for them to her. They really love and care about each other, they just don't properly understand how to express themselves due to Abuela also not knowing how to express herself/feeling like she can or is allowed to.
I was honestly just hoping for one of the non magical family members to call grandma out on her crap. Mirabelle's dad kinda did but not soon enough for me.
@@catandrobbyflores well, take it from their point of view. Abuela is the strict, no nonsense matriarch, and generally you don’t talk back to the matriarch. Plus, both were married into the family, making them almost like outsiders in way.
*Fun Fact:* The definition of the family name "Madrigal" means it is a lyric poem suitable for being set to music which it is popular during the Europe's Renaissance era and the early Baroque periods. Since Encanto is a musical, I guess their family name makes a lot of sense, aside from their supernatural powers. This movie is great that it is _"100% pure grade-A Columbian my friend."_
I actually saw the "Mirabel racing to retrieve the candle" as one of the key moments of Abuela's realization of what she's done to this family. She, and the rest of the family, have revolved around the survival of the magic so much more than the survival of the family members, that Mirabel puts her own life in danger to save it rather than herself. That I thought was what really put Mirabel's words to her about "what's wrong with this family is you" into perspective and led to the happy ending.
Encanto was very weird to me. It had a lot of stuff I liked but a bunch of other stuff I wish they expanded upon like Bruno. This one will probably grow on me with time.
I always tought that Doloeres didn't say anything about Bruno living in the walls, because everyone around her kept telling her not to talk about Bruno
I love Encanto. An instant Disney classic, to me. All the "flaws" of the movie are mostly nitpicks and narrative/plot problems that are easily forgivable. We praise Disney's renaissance movies but they had their problems too. Arguably worse than Encanto's.
i always thought the narrative purpose of Bruno's room was that Bruno arranged his room to protect the vision of Mirabel! Like he broke the vision slate, and perhaps rearranged his room to be hazardous but not exactly "deadly" as to not kill a curious family member. But Mirabel is so determined she just powers through the defenses
We have to agree that Encanto is soon going to take over the world as the most astronomically popular Disney movie I mean haven't you checked Tik Tok and Instagram it's swarming with Encanto stuff. Also it's theme of Generational Trauma is much more relatable to people than any other Disney movie. Go Encanto!!!!!
I assumed that abuelas husband became the house, and that's why it's unconditionally supportive, but can't directly communicate. Just my own little theory
I actually think Camilo’s attitude is the inverse of what was said here. I think when he’s being happy, friendly and supportive, that’s him being himself, while the bored, emo-ish, sarcastic attitude is the face he puts on around his family. I just get that feeling when I see him interacting with the townsfolk and sounding so genuine, and how he does not hesitate to help people whether the situation calls for it or not.
One of my favorite things about the reconciliation at the end is that Mirabel doesn't deny that things are broken. She just says that they can fix it together. That's something that is so important in apologies!
Ah yes. My only gripes with this movie is mainly the runtime. It should be a bit longer, like 2 hrs tops, just to get to know the rest of the Madrigal family a little more and so the 2nd act isn’t rushed. As is, I still enjoyed it. Heck, its been a long while since i ever watched a Disney movie with my family. This is worth a treat…plus the songs are downright catchy and relatable lol~ Sure the whole thing with Abuela is still lingering around with naysayers but hey. She did admit that she unintentionally hurt everyone. That and everyone got their own moments and personal issues, not just Mirabel. UvU
The “Abuela should be punished” crowd really irks me because they’re all viewing a movie about Colombia in Colombia featuring a Colombian family through a painfully American-centric and individualistic lens. Gives me big “I wouldn’t last in the Army cause I’d knock out the first drill sergeant to get in my face” energy every time.
Abuela WAS punished, she had to see her family (which she loved dearly) be hurt, and realise it was because of her. To me, that's enough punishment for her, because it's enough for her to change her ways.
@@jonnybuijze1770 Especially when we consider that all she ever wanted was to protect her family and the home she built for them, only to find out that her expectations hurt them more than anything else.
To be fair, as a Colombian I feel like we as a society have a tendency to forgive our elders’ abuse because they’ve gone through so much. Abuela is both a victim and an abuser at the same time.
Same sort of crowd who probably believes people should be cancelled for saying the wrong thing, even years ago or for believing different things to them. Vindictive, pathetic, projecting.
Abuela actually does have a gift like others, but its least regognisible. It's the mountains of Encanto, that keep invaders and outsiders out ( & the family, in). Evidence, each family member has symbols of their gifts in their clothes, Abuela has the mountains. She also has the magic door, which she should not have if she was giftless like Mirabelle
HARD disagree about the candle climax. Watchign her struggle and pointlessly risk her life one last time for her family, watchign casita protect her with its last breath, watching the others fail without their powers where she comes closest to succeeding... it emotionally punches me every time.
Personally I thought the shouting scene was very impactful, and then when they were all going after the candle it felt more like "why is the candle *specifically* important again? ...maybe it's some sort of columbian reference I don't know about." (and no "it's the source of magic!" The movie never says it is, it just says they were given a miracle and both house, powers, and doors seem just as important as the candle does. Maybe more because we know the powers and doors actively do something while the candle just sits there and burns forever.)
@@carlotta4th listen closly to abulea alma's story and watch her backstory neer the end carefuly we see that the miracle is stored in the candle wich is why during the gifting ceremony they touch the candle first before recieving their gifts
@@carlotta4th But they were not all going after the candle. Mirabel was going after the candle-- and the others were going after *_Mirabel._* Because the house was about to collapse, and she could be killed..
Im just gonna put my thoughts here, but i think that the cracks forming was because of the loss of faith, mainly from Mirabel, you can see how in the crumbling scenes it is usually when something is wrong with her feelings, and finally at the last bit where it collapses all of the way since the Abuela Alma is yelling at her for messing with Isabela, in the end when she comes back she has faith again, and getting the magic back when the door is opened.
I’d really dig to see this get an animated spin-off. Just from checking out what the creators said about the things they didn’t get into film like the other rooms or the answers to questions to things like “What if they adopted a kid?“. This series has so much potential and it be crazy if they didn’t take it.
The creator also mentioned that the Encanto is now slightly open to the outside world,so maybe we can get a scenario where someone enters the Encanto uninvited and the madrigals have work to get rid of them or show them how to live amongst them. I think the person they could use is isabela's nerdy,scientist,city slicker boyfriend who they scrapped from the original script.
@@siyabongabhebhe7403 Or maybe the faceless soldiers will return with a bigger army now that the village is exposed, forcing the Madrigals and the entire village to prepare for war.
@@cintronproductions9430 guessing by the time period, it’s still likely in the early to mid 1900s. So who knows maybe the mvp could be luisa, Isabel, and pepa.
YES- thank you. My only "problems" with encanto come with how the trailer very much framed it as an ensemble grand adventure thing where Antonio was as main of a character as Mirabel and the Toucan was important. It won't be a problem in a few years, but it did make me realize how annoying Disney trailers can be
Tbh, most trailers nowadays either set up completely different expectations, or straight up tell you the entire plot. I remember the croods 2 movie trailers pretty much explaining the entire story.
I'm going to pay devil's advocate and say that Bruno's Room scene is actually quite esential to the plot, and even shorting it out might have been a bad choice. So now it's theory time: While "We don't tak about bruno" talks about how the Family perceives Bruno, the Room scene shows us how isolated he already felt from the family, which in the end led up to his Hiding. The Really long stairs made him harder to reach (Even if he didn't wanted to), and the flooding sand scene actually represent how Bruno felt once he had Mirabel's visión, destroying (Metaforically) his ability to see the future, just like she breaks when she the vision was about her. This is supported by the fact he didn't wanted to make another prediction in the first place. It's important to remember that in Bruno's eyes, his visions damaged the family, and seeing that this one would definitely haunt Mirabel, he took the choice of leaving behind his powers (The first one to loose his powers in the family due to Abuela's pressure). I also want to add that while sand is obviously a predominant theme for bruno due to the hourgalss, a dusty room is usually related to negletion and abandonment, which is how the family treated him due to his gift. That's what makes the scene with his wall room all the more impressive, as it reflects that, in his eyes, not having his gift would get him closer to his family. I also want to point out something I just noticed while writting this: Casita knew, and I think that furthers the theory that Mirabel's gift was family and the house, since the reason bruno left in the first place was to protect her (As the new caretaker), and the casita response was giving him another (more "normal") room, with a door that frankly had no reason to be there and seems kinda hard to believe he could have installed it without anyone (With the exception of Dolores that already knew).
The song "We Don't Talk About Bruno" has a madrigal which is a type of song part that uses voices as the main "instruments", fun fact. The Madrigal family are all parts of a song that become harmonious when they all work together which is the theme of the movie and why they eventually collapse when they lose their harmony
There are theories that Abuela favors Isabella not because she views her granddaughter as a "babymaker" but because she is projecting the life she could've had onto her. The movie concludes that Abuela's choices were motivated by her husband's murder, and that she's grooming Isabella into the perfect woman, with the perfect life, and the perfect marriage to the perfect man of the village because she's trying to recreate the life that was robbed from her. It should be noted that Abuella, when she was young, looked uncannilly similar to Isabella, which maybe why she gravitated toward her granddaughter and trying to set her up with Mariano, who looks like a hunkier version of her late husband (right down to having similar personalites as they're both good men who are nice, dorky, creative romantics; because Dolores mentions Mariano writes poetry as a hobby and Abuelo Pedro was a writer). It was only until Mirabel got Abuela to reconcile with her trauma and to start seeing her family past their utility and as people, that she finally realized it was very wrong of her to try and live vicariously through her grandchildren.
Abuela is the whole emphasis of trauma responses
Honestly, I think Abuela would have been fine if she had found out that Dolores liked Mariano before the movie's climax.
I mean, Dolores has a gift too, so there still would be grandbabies with gifts.....
Not mocking or trying to call u out, but... did u get this theory from wotso videos?
That makes a lot of sense. Because imo Dolores could've been the golden child considering she's the same age as Isabella, soft spoken, and super gorgeous. I'm surprised there was no rivalry between the two.
@@kpbennett7743 I recall watching a video that brought up this theory, so maybe? But I also read TVTropes.
A lot.
Which I know reading the articles relating to it, especially "Fridge Brilliance," after seeing the movie during the holidays.
Definitelly a latin grandma admiting her mistakes and apologizing is the biggest miracle in the movie
Edit: Just in case, it's very common that families in latin america have either a Grandma or Grandpa who is usually super involved with the family but is also VERY stubborn and very prideful, and refuses to change some behaviour or being open to learn the things their children or grandchildren want to teach them. I know this isn't just a latin american thing but it's something we know very well
I just wish she had apologised primarily to Bruno alongside Mirabelle, he was easily the one hurt most by the pressure and attitude she forced on people but never got a proper apology.
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@@tortoiseoflegends4466 When they rebuild the house I like to think she did
When she "apologized" and was all "It was my fault, woe is me", I'm sure that was just a manipulation tactic to get Mirabel to forgive her. Mirabel, she emotionally abused you and your entire family for your whole lives and kept you all squished under her iron thumb and she alienated and hated you for not having a gift which makes her a massive hypocrite because she has no gift herself, Alma pulling a 180 out of nowhere and giving a half-baked apology is a huge red flag, seriously, she's probably just manipulating you and taking advantage of your nice personality to make you let your guard down and eventually abuse you again once you think that everything is fine. I'm warning you, Mirabel, people like her are irredeemable! Run while you still can and take Antonio with you!
Edit: Please ignore what I just said, and I'm sorry, I just reeeeeally don't like this Alma character and in my defense, other people hate her too so I initially felt comfortable posting this comment but now I regret it. I'm sorry.
Edit 2: Yeah, I guess I was too hard on her, she does have her redeeming qualities, ok? She just makes it hard for me to like her but I know she changes, now I really want an Encanto series so I can see if she really changed 100%.
@@cintronproductions9430 Don't go looking for a pure evil grandmother if you don't need to.
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I thought her retrieving the candle seemed perfectly reasonable. She's been raised her entire life to view the candle as the most important object in the world - of course she had to try to save it.
she also felt responsible
I agree with this interpretation, and it's not like it's unreasonable! The miracle didn't come with an instruction manual, but one of the few things they absolutely know is that the miracle kicked in at the absolute last second to save everyone from a horrible violent death. Losing the miracle could be fatal to not just the Madrigal family but the entire community, and they have every reason to believe the candle is physically the miracle and not just a symbol of it, so the loss of the candle was a genuine existential threat.
Not to mention that she has a close bond with Casita and might have confused saving the candle with saving Casita's 'life'.
@@suitov The house had a personality, that thing was alive.
Good point, Loren.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: You have to be really careful with the messages your art ends up expressing. If Mirabel had gotten a gift in the end, the message would switch to "You deserve acceptance when you become special" and if the rest of the family hadn't regained their gifts it would switch to "You'll be accepted once you don't stand out anymore". I think Disney made the right call on these particular decisions.
yeah and the fact that rebuilding the house probly took 6 month to like 2 years because a) they don't have their gifts to help them and b) its the early to mid 1900s, they don't have the machinery we have today, even if the whole village's building it, its still a mansion thats probably the biggest house in the village. During that time frame they probs learned to live and love themselves a little more without thier gifts. it why it evoled when it came back to them, isa doing different plants, peppa making happy hail, luisa not even using it and taking a break, they can finally express themselves.
I agree. I was honestly a bit scared about that after the nth trailer where it basically said "Now Mirabel has to save the family". I thought that it would be this totally not cliché Great Adventure, where our protagonist finds out how special she really is. So I really liked that she didn't get a power at the end, because you don't have to be a genius to be valuable.
My knee-jerk reaction to it was annoyance at the whole "have your cake and eat it too" ending that some movies have, where the character "gives up" something to show their character growth, only to receive it again later as a reward for their growth. But after thinking about it more, this movie doesn't portray the powers as 100% positive things, and a lot of the characters either subtly or overtly show how the expectations and realities of the powers have had negative repercussions on their lives. The family's character growth wasn't through sacrificing their gifts, it was through admitting their insecurities that stemmed from them.
The only character that COULD have had a sacrificial ending was Abuela, as she was so desperate to hold on to the magic that she was unable to see the damage she was causing under the family's surface, and needed to relinquish that hold to show her family the love they truly need. This could fit in with the "Maribel is the new conductor" theory that I really like, because it would let Abuela pass the baton to Mirabel and undergo that growth (which I believe she does to an extent at the end).
I really like the subtle character beats that fly under the radar throughout the movie. The ending did feel a bit rushed, but there are so many little beats that deserve multiple rewatches to catch and understand.
@@utspaz849 yea ur right, i have a feeling they wanted to end it with them losing the magic, but they probably added it back to make the movie have a tv show potential, now that theres a chance that mirabel is the new matriach,. I feel like they'ed do a time skip for a new member of the family ( eg if delores has a kid) and mirabel will be the one giving the gift instead of alma
Mirabel's ending truely meant a lot to me as a disabled person. I've never related to a character's self worth issues so deeply than I have related to Mirabel's.
It's so hard to grow up "normal" and then become disabled later on because people in your childhood have big big expectations and you don't end up fulfilling them. It shouldn't be embarrassing but it does feel that way when you're going through that because people pity you. Mirabel publicly not getting a gift and having to deal with it really mirrors that experience.
Also, Mirabel finding her value without a gift honestly feels so so similar to my own journey of finding my role in my family when I cannot cook, clean, or bring money into the house like my other family members. I now know that I bring a lot of value to my family irregardless of my physical abilities but it took me many years to refind my value. I think that is very similar to the journey that Mirabel went on.
I would have been heartbroken if Mirabel had received a gift in the end, because her story does truly mirror a disabled person's existence. And I'm sick of disabled people in movies only being able to find happiness when they are magically cured. Not everything can be cured and fixed, and it's important to show someone thriving even without the skills that society expected of them.
Encanto actually feels like a Disney movie that SHOULD get a series. Because, as you said, it has too much potential to be contained in one movie. I also think it will help with the story’s pacing and give us more depth to the characters. Let’s be honest, the characters really are the drive of the narrative being told
I agree. Some ideas that could be explored in the series (with the success of this movie and the songs, it's less a matter of *if* and more a matter of *when*) include: Camilo not knowing who he is (which is why he might have gotten the ability to transform into other people), Dolores feeling second-best to Isabella (she might not outwardly express it, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be there), Pepa struggling with her bottled-up emotions, Antonio (just more Antonio), Bruno in isolation (and we need more of the rat telenovelas), and what happened during the rebuilding process for the house.
Mind you, these are only some possible ideas. Any other ideas are welcome.
i dont know ... they kinda solved everything by realizing they have to be nicer to each other.. there's no much else in terms of a point or plot..
@@OmfgHiii You kidding? Seeing how Bruno reacts to having that cursed power back alone would make for at least one interesting episode, 'specially if they pick up some of the old ideas where his power would be physically draining.
There are all the unexplored character dynamics between the family members! Like Camillo and Mirabell, who are basically the same age but barely interact. Is there a reason for that? Or Isabella and Dolores, who clearly wheren't on the best of speaking terms. Does mariano still have feelings for Isabella? Did he have any at all? How will the triplets interact now that Bruno is back? Does Abuella manage to not fall into old habits? How about general sibling dynamics? Identity crisis? Bruno and Dolores bonding? She could hear him all the time after all.
And that's all just looking into future stuff! We could just as easily get a mini series looking at the PAST of the characters!
It doesn't always need a big plot like the destruction of the world, or solving a mystery. The damage the family has doesn't go away just becouse they talked it out. But most importantly, a series can be way more focused on "slice of live" and character dynamics than a movie!
I dunno tbh. I kind of prefer stories like these to be left as standalone stories where it's purely up to viewers to interpret what things mean.
It's sort of like monsters in horror where we hardly know anything about them, the more you know, the less interesting it gets, because there's less room for speculation.
But that could just be my own interpretation.
I agree i think like 1 20min ep on each character like with a 2 day Interval would be better than another movie
Honestly, I loved the Bruno room scenery. It shows how big and empty and isolating his room is. It built up to the mystery of his character.....and then he turned out to be a lovable nerd who watches rat soap operas. I think that was intentional. They were building him up just for him to be a tiny dork. They wanted us to expect something different than what we got. And it was hilarious.
And Mirabel going for the candle symbolizes that she is willing to put her life in danger to save the magic immediately after Abuela accused her of hurting the family. She immediately turned around and did the opposite of what she was accused of. She's basing her worth on saving the magic, and is willing to risk death to do so. Abuela got to witness that, and realized how wrong she was.
Also, the destruction of the room makes way for Antonio's comeback, as he offers his room for Bruno's ritual. So it had more narrative merit than at first glance.
@@vicentematias763 Good point!
Plus I love how in the beginning Mirabel was guiding him and in the end he was guiding her.
The scene of Mirabel getting the candle also led to the scene of the house protecting her, which not only was heart breaking (that house has so much personality!!) It really showed the bond between her and the casita.
I also liked Bruno's room, plus some writers have explained that one of the reasons it looks that way is that it changed as Bruno isolated himself, which explains it being so hard to reach the top of the room.
Bruno's room in and of itself is great. What doesn't fit is the action sequence. Not only is there no good reason for the vision cave to collapse, it doesn't serve a narrative purpose. Additionally, it leaves a loophole. Luisa said the grownups never found the vision after Bruno left. Which implies they were looking for it (which I would say would make perfect sense for them to do). Yet, that vision wasn't hidden away. There was no challenge only Mirabel could master---that missing bridge wouldn't have stopped any grownup for longer than it would have taken to get some building materials from the village.
So, instead of that action sequence, a personality challenge would have been more appropriate. Maybe a neatly sorted library of past visions that clearly had been searched through, and Mirabel---after some frustrations---realising that the final vision wasn't put there but was broken and thrown into a trashcan. Next, we could have contrasted that with a wild stack of books in Bruno's hideout and a throw-away line by him (right next to the "kitchen adjacent" line) that he doesn't have to neatly put his books onto shelves there. This would have shown how his mother's demand for perfection (and not just everyone's bad reaction to his visions) negatively affected him.
My only concern when it comes to more Encanto content is focusing more on the lore/magic than the family. I don’t want another Frozen 2 out of this. I don’t care where the magic came from or what determined each Madrigal’s gift. I want to see more simple interactions among the family and their community. How is Bruno adjusting after ten years inside walls? Do the grandkids attend school or have friends outside the family? I’ll take backstories on Augustin and Felix before I take any more save the magic stories.
exactly, i don't really care about the source of magic, i just want a heartwarming colombian sitcom
Yeah kinda like that short with ummm oh god I forgot his name but the tall boi in Luca on disney plus.
SAME! I desperately hope they don't try to explain more of where the magic comes from. It ruined Frozen 2, and it would ruin this movie even worse. the best part of it is that you can interpret it so many ways, just like so many of the lyrics have many meanings at once. Expanding the lore of the magic would only hurt it.
I mean given how it exploded on Disney+, I think we could see a series for it. Which is fine.
I hope they do a series. Given the large cast I feel it's so much better suited for a series than a sequel film
This is 100% headcanon, but considering that Luisa can tone down her strength to hug Mirabel and Pepa can control the weather if she can get the right headspace, it's probably fair to say that Dolores can change how sensitive her hearing is. Especially, considering, she lives in a family involving two married couples that clearly love each other and *haven't stopped having kids* for nearly twenty years straight.
She's probably also gotten used to the background noise and can ignore most of it
Honeslty, I wouldn't be surprised if this is how the powers worked for the entire family. To a degree it's all with in their control, like Bruno doesn't always need to make a "vision" to see the future, like maybe he can just look at a person and just see something that's pretty immediate, like a goldfish dying or the Pastor going bald. It would also explain why Camilo's eyes turned green during his "We don't talk about Bruno" segment, because he saw his uncle make an on the spot prediction with his eyes glowing green and it frightened him.
She's probably capable of controlling it, but also too curious for her own good... So whenever something unusual comes along, she at least has to get a little peak
Yeah, I think so too. We see her having to directly concetrate to hear Marianos plans for his and Isabellas wedding. And fireworks don't make her unable to hear. I think she probably still has a better all around-all time hearing than most people, but she can probably somewhat limit it.
It definitely seems like she can control her hearing selectively now as an adult. But imagine poor 5 year old Dolores having absolutely no clue what she's hearing, and her mother and grandmother thinking she's lost her mind.
I have to say that the scene with the house falling down was very emotional for me. Throughout the entire movie, I treated the house as a character in itself, and at the end of that scene I ended up in tears. The house, despite being the one that suffered the most, had to silently accompany the sadness of each one, and in the end, did not measure efforts to ensure everyone's safety. Honestly more than anything else it was a character's farewell scene.
Exactly! The only reason I’m happy they got their gifts back is because it meant the house didn’t die 😭
I'd go so far as to say the "ch, ch, ch" from Dolores' part *alone* is more pleasing to the ear than a lot of modern movie songs
ooh ooh but what about her little "hmm" squeak before/after she speaks?
tf are you doing here Animagician
@@rafaelalbiter6923 Watching a video, probably.
I'm sorry, but no. For me, it HAS to be Camilo's verse.
Yes! Exactly! I love them and await them every single time I listen to We Don't Talk About Bruno
Encanto is one of the most refreshing Disney movies I’ve seen in a while with some of the most unorthodox musical numbers in the show. I think the combination of the bouncy dialogue of the songs combine with the imagery perfectly matching the unique problems the characters face make it very unforgettable.
Wrong
@@RealistRatRace Wrong in what way? Please actually explain your reasoning.
@@RealistRatRace how come?
I was intrigued by the concept of a family having gifts but one of them not getting one from the very first trailer. Lucky I didn't watch the promotional material 10s of times so I was surprised by most of what this movie had to offer.
And one of the most overrated
13:45 In the scene of Mirabel getting the candle, I read another interpratation, of being the moment Abuela realises the damage she caused to her family, where Mirabel was willing to risk her life to protect the miracle, to protect the candle, a candle, Abuela realised she made her family believe a candle was more important than them.
Bingo 👍
I like how you put it
Yes, that’s how I read it. Because she’s been blaming the cracks on Mirabel all along - if the house just fell down after a screaming argument, she’d still blame it on Mirabel. But nearly losing her - being unable to protect her when she risks her life in an attempt to save the miracle (I love that you can hear Abuela’s panic when she’s calling her) - is exactly what makes her realize that she’s forgotten who the miracle is for. She was desperate to preserve the miracle to protect her family, but now her granddaughter is in danger protecting the miracle. That’s what realigns her priorities.
@@bookcat123 Exactly, just one thing, when I said "I read another interpretation" I meant literally, as in I saw this idea on someone else's post, don't remember who they were, but I did not come with this on my own, though I wish I could.
I not looking to be mean, I just felt I would be lying if I didn't clarify that.
The scene to save the candle is relevant as more than just an action scene. Mirabel is also thinking in superficial terms of “saving the miracle”, which she thinks she must do to matter to the family. It’s her role, her chance to make them proud. Of course, the house has to collapse, because saving some wax isn’t what’s going to fix the cracks. It’s understanding and reconciliation.
It also plays into the “rushed” turnaround of Abuela. Yelling at someone doesn’t change their minds. And long talks are…. not what kids films do. So, for her to be snapped out of her mindset, she needs to lose everything, at the exact moment she’s confronted by her guilt in the problem. There’s no more argument with the magic gone, no more trying to save face. And she just witnessed Mirabel risk her life to try and save the candle. It all works to give her the emotional smack to admit her failings and apologize.
This. This is a perfect explanation of the scene.
Man, you said it better than I've heard so far
@@KigerStudios Exactly. And my mom's from Central America and reminds me of her at times
Agreed! This is exactly how I interpreted it.
There is a lot of storytelling going on in that moment - the road cracks in half first, because the Madrigal's help hold the community together and their division divides the community.
Then it splits between Abuela and Mirabel, showing their division.
Pepa sees the candle will fall first and yells in fear, but it takes Mirabel leading to spur the other members of the family into action. They all focus on the candle because they've been taught that the inanimate object is what keeps their family together - not their love and respect for each other.
While Mirabel and the others are focused on the candle, Felix's look only towards Pepa. Isabella catches Abuela as she stumbles.
Abuela is frozen in fear, because she has always controlled everything by planning and can't react to the unexpected head on.
Felix tells them to leave, after grabbing Antonio - because he cares about his wife and son more than the miracle, and Julieta and Agustin only cares about Mirabel in the moment.
The picture of Abuelo - who sacrificed himself for the family - falls before the house. And ultimately, Bruno's tower crushes the house below it.
That's really a good explanation.
I'd love to see a series that just follows the family's daily life, like the Tangled series minus the grand adventure, I'd be just as happy with normal stuff they have to go through
Encanto seems like the perfect catalyst for a TV series. Each episode focusing on a different family member's struggle, as well as how maybe townsfolk or heck even outsiders interact with the family.
@@badoe7138 and expanding on relationships between other members too in the family
I think it'd be cute if in Luisa's quest to learn how to relax she goes looking for a teapot, and she meets a cute potter girl and found friendship and more if Disney had the balls to do an actual LGBTQIA character that isn't just a flyby blink and you'll miss them person.
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I am just stating a small headcannon that I'm not even going to die on, I think that making any character LGBTQIA+ would be a great step forward. And no it doesn't need to be Luisa. I said her based off of the fact that my girlfriend is built like her where as I'm built small and soft looking. So it's a bit of projection, I'dove for Disney to actually have the balls to put in a good variety of LGBTQIA characters of all shapes and sizes.
Honestly I’d love that, maybe each character gets an episode
Well good news because there’s rumors of this exact thing happening with Pepa’s and Félix’s family.
13:45
I think it’s because the Miracle is SUCH A BIG DEAL to the family, that she legitimately feels that the risk to her own life is worth POSSIBLY saving the candle, since saving it MIGHT mean the magic can be saved. All the years and years of the magic being the most important part of her family makes the possibility of losing it a threat worth RISKING HER LIFE to her. It’s a sign of how badly she has been affected to her very core, and how badly Alma’s attitude has damaged the self image of her children and grand children.
I’m willing to bet that seeing Mirabel nearly get herself killed, and Isabella and Camilo also put themselves in danger for the candle was a part of the wake up call Alma experienced. She was told that she was breaking the family, then as her home begins to fall apart around her, instead of getting out and finding safety, her grandchildren run as fast as they can into the MIDDLE OF THE HOUSE to save a dying candle. Not just Mirabel, who’s self worth has clearly been hurt, but also Camilo and Isabella. The jester without any way to keep himself safe and the beautiful, successful, powerful golden child who just got what she wanted more than anything NEARLY GOT THEMSELVES KILLED trying to get the candle.
She realized Mirabel wasn’t just talking about herself. Alma saw the proof when Camilo was desperately shape shifting to avoid being crushed by debris and Isabella almost broke her neck swinging towards the candle. She saw with her own eyes that the seemingly most secure grandchildren from both sides of the family thought their own safety was less important than a candle.
She saw Mirabel was right.
This is an amazing description of that scene
That's actually a brilliant interpretation
YES, i love this!
that's a really good interpretation of that scene
I never thought about that. You're right it was probably another huge factor in her realizing she was wrong. She just blamed Mirabel for not caring about this family, Mirabel told her her "we all love this family". Then several members go and risk their neck for what is basically the symbol and center of the family.
I actually DO believe that mirabel and Casita are way closer to each other because of mirabel permanent stay in the nursery.
From the very first scene of the movie we can see that Casita can influence every built in feature within mirabel's room; later we also learn that said influence ends just in front of the magic doors.
I can imagine that this constant cohabitation is what make Casita just DO stuff for mirabel without her constantly giving commands like abuela does.
Agreed! I can picture Casita being there to comfort her after she hadn't received her gift, or being her only playmate before Antonio was born (because the rest of the family was busy).
Casita helps other family members throughout the movie (acting as a treadmill for Luisa, giving Dolores steps during We Don't Talk About Bruno, everything during Antonio's ceremony, breaking Camilo and Isabela's fall when the house is collapsing, etc.) but Mirabel is the only one who talks to Casita, aside from Abuela. Presumably, only Mirabel and Abuela, having non-magical rooms, can interact with Casita all the time, so the house probably knows them better than everyone else.
according to Jared bush, if I remember correctly, casita can influence other rooms. The only reason it couldn't influence bruno's room was because he abandoned it, hence why it fell into disrepair.
@@tinymittensdesign I think he wanted it to go away, so Casita stopped repairing it.
I’d argue that the rest of the Madrigals not getting their gifts back would undercut the point that Mirabel is special without a Gift the same way that her receiving one would. It kind of implies that Mirabel IS just as special as the rest of her family… but only when they’re cut down to the same level as her.
Also it would arguably imply that the family can only funcion healthily when the individual members are NOT so special anymore, and they are just like everyone else.
But the point of the movie was that she wasn't special and that having too high of a standard for others around you can and will hurt them.
Another point the movie made was that the value the members of the family had wasn't from living up to expectations using their magic powers but because they're real people with their own self worth, having an ending where after a brief moment in which the family shined without magic and rebuilt their home without using a magic stick of wax and wicker, they're magically given they're magic back, makes that message weaker since nothing really changed in the family besides the abuela learning from her mistake and the members letting loose a bit. If they lost their magic and still shined as people whilst also rebuilding their lives after the loss of the casita, that would've been far more impactful than the neat and tidy classic Disney ending we got.
Loosing the magic would endanger the whole village now since the magic practically protected the place from outside invaders. Give it a few years and it will be attacked like Abuela's old home.
At the same time I would enjoy an ending where the powers are not given back because it would strenghten other themes. In particular I am talking about the value of community, healthy communication and confiding in others.
For my particular reading I focus on the scene in which the township helps the madrigals rebuild the casita. To me it highlighted how the madrigals and the community surrounding them were never in a healthy relationship with one another, as the former felt like they needed to take the brunt of responsibility and continually stay a strong, unfaltering foundation for the town while the latter never had the understanding of how vulnerable the madrigals were and inadvertanly relied on them too much and put pressure on them to keep up.
With the family losing all of their powers ,they were cast down from the venerated position they were sitting on previously and the township no longer had that foundation of their special abilities to rely on. Except, instead of crumbling, they were the ones to actually help lift the family up, working with them to rebuild the casita, which in itself can be interpreted as a stand-in for the miracle itself, showing that the miracle was never the power but the bonds that kept them all together. This works at the family dynamic, but I think a further emphasis should've been done on how the madrigals were not on their own and how their work and dedication to those around them helped foster a community that could stand on its own and, if need be, support those who have contributed so much of themselves to it in turn.
By having the powers return to the madrigals, to me this personally narratively cheapens that moment since it's a soft return to the status quo, once again putting the madrigals on this pedestal through special gifts, while the community around them feels more isolated and less relevant once again.
But hey, that's just my take on things and, frankly, I think either idea for the ending works fine, since the movie hits those same notes anyway, just in a different "proportion".
And I may also just be tired of similar endings in media and wish that more of them would make it a point that whatever was lost cannot be returned and that's alright.
Does this count as a “reverse twist villain” where everyone in the family vilifies him but he’s actually not?
twist good guy haha
villainize*
@@batflashzyzz y'know, vilify is actually the correct word here right? well, actually both words work fine and are both true to some extent, but you didn't need to correct them.
Twist unvillain!
Disney also did it with the Sky Riders in Solo: A Star Wars Story (which is pretty good and not as terrible as The Rise of Skywalker or as controversial as The Last Jedi).
And they did it with Loki in the beginning of Infinity War. The audience is lead to believe that Loki is stabbing Thor in the back again as is typical for the God of Mischief, but it was a front for Loki to attempt to assassinate Thanos. Thanos caught on this almost instantly and gave Loki a gruesome death (by MCU standards).
One aspect I really liked is how Mirabell and Bruno have a lot in common, the whole family unconsciously pins their problems on them rather than accept reality.
one thing they share is an ability to see things as they are. Bruno sees the future for better or worse, and Mirabel is the only one to notice the problems in her family (first the cracks in the house, then why they exist). This is alluded to in their character design: Bruno's eyes glow green when he's seeing the future, which parallels the green in Mirabel's glasses.
It's also no wonder they're both outcasts, in a family that's hiding so much pain. One that's so dismissive or afraid of the truth.
As someone with ADHD, being able to constantly hear everything would be a literal nightmare.
Bruh, I am autistic and sensitive to noise, so having Dolores' gift would be horrible to live with.
Hey fellow adhd person
I have adhd + autism so i’d hate her gift, though i do love dolores as a character.
I don’t have adhd but I agree
Imagine how horrifying it was for 5 year old Dolores to receive her gift. And how long it took her to adjust and swallow the huge "curse" she got lmao
I loved so many of the minor subversions in this movie, especially how it doesn't throw them in your face or pat itself on the back for them (unlike, say, Frozen).
-Bruno not being a villain, despite his excellent villain song
-Abuela not being a villain either: she's the source of the conflicts, but she isn't portrayed as evil, just hurt
-Mariano not being an abusive, misogynistic jerk, just not Isabela's type, and nice enough that she couldn't turn him down without ruining everyone's view of her
-Luisa being feminine, and very emotionally expressive
-The amount of creative visuals in the musical numbers! I really hope this becomes a trend for CGI animated movies going forward.
No lie, while definitely not my favorite animated movie of all time, it was the most relieving in terms of subversions. Using Frozen as an example, it literally feels like Hans was shoehorned into the villain role out of nowhere, and the movie would've been better had his villain arc never existed
Meanwhile, in Encanto we have multiple characters with perfect motivations to be evil in this movie and they weren't. No Bruno deciding to destroy the whole family, nor Isabela having some psychotic plans to keep herself perfect, nor Abuela abusing the family she fought so hard to keep. Not even Mariano being a scorned ex trying to exact revenge.
Nobody was forced to be evil in this movie just to check off some cookie cutter plot points, and that alone was refreshing. The collective of subversions really does make this movie wonderful
Also, Mirabel is not a sulking ball of angst in spite of the fact that she honestly has every right to be one. It's so beautiful how much she loves her family, how proud of them she is, and stays genuinely positive while facing constant faliure to live up to expectations.
I would also like to add how they didn't remove Isabela's femininity when she was having that whole change. I feel like Isabela as a whole just breaks away from so many stereotypes we would've expected her to be
@@whoopthy I'm glad too. Actually there was a previous design of Isabela having a punk-rock look, and I feel that would have been an over-used trope? Don't get me wrong, I do love characters with that kind of design, and I prolly wouldn't have a problem if Isabela became like that in the movie, but its just refreshing and lovely to see that just because she's breaking her perfect image and embracing her true self, doesn't mean she's suddenly going to be the "masculine cool girl." I feel like that's become an over-used trope. She's still feminine by the end of the movie. It's abt how she's now unafraid to express herself and be who she wants to be.
Another great Isabela subversion was, after Bruno got his vision, I was afraid the whole rest of the movie was going to revolve around wAcKy hijinks trying to get the sisters to fulfill the hug prophecy... but then they actually resolve that a scene later! I was happy the ending didn't rely on the importance of mystic clairvoyance over familial bonds.
The movie had a lot of pacing issues in the second act, but i genuinely loved it and cried super hard when I watched it. If it could get a show like tangled and expand on the story and world building that would be awesome!
Same
Oh, and I think it would be a great musical theatre show
Yea
As long as it's well done. Otherwise, it risks undermining what was a fantastic movie. Sometimes, you get too many answers to things better left mysterious, and that detracts from re-watches of the original movie.
Bruno's tower isn't dragged out, I think it makes total sense that a relic used to see the future as well as being despised by an entire village would be locked and sealed away in a massive chamber.
I can't really see an alternate universe where Mirabel walks right in and exits with the plate, I love seeing characters actually have to work for their goals. And in this case it shows how desperate Mirabel is to save the family.
Exactly! I wonder if she missed the symbolism of bruno's room
Also, we know that the family members can shape their rooms to an indeterminate extent (Isabela replacing all the roses with native tropical plants) and that Bruno's room used to be right next to his sisters'. I'm guessing his room just slowly became a lonely tower in the far corner of the house as he started to feel more and more isolated. It also probably has a lot to do with his reluctance to use his power; if his room is a pain in the ass to get to, no one will come looking for prophecies.
Also it shows, and can symbolically represent, what happens when a family member is ostracized. When he left to protect Mirabel, Bruno's room started dying. I think it was very deliberately set up to have a similar scale and features to Antonio's room, but whereas Antonio's room is vibrant and fun and full of life, Bruno's is slowly falling apart, and Mirabel only gets the prophecy out as it crumbles to nothing.
I think part of the purpose of the room was also to help build up Bruno's mysterious, frightening reputation.....only for our expectations to be completely dashed, and for him to turn out to be this dorky, loving guy who was just as tall as Mirabel.
Them getting their powers back felt inevitable to me because the powers are representative of the family member archetype they embody.
Louisa is the strong older sister
Dolores is the family gossip so she hears everything.
Camillo is a social butterfly prankster.
Julieta is the mom whose cooking just makes you feel better.
Pepa is the crazy aunt who shows up and after she leaves it feels like a hurricane just blew through.
Isabella is the sister that can do no wrong.
Antonio is the kid who's obsessed with animals or dinosaurs.
They're all normal people turned up to 11.
Wow! I never actually thought of that! U hav 200 IQ brane
@@caelincoolz5814 brain*
@@agatethegreat9135 Ha ha! I know. I misspelled on purpose.
I think you’ve betrayed yourself as french haha
I have a head canon that, when Bruno was first going into the walls, Dolores tried to convince him not to but Bruno practically begged her to keep it a secret from the other family members. However as the magic was fading and people were getting older, Dolores started to become desperate and leave subtle hints to where Bruno's whereabouts were. ( her comment about hearing rats talking in the walls, her entire part in we don't talk about Bruno)
Also (thanks to that tik tok going around) my headcanon is that she REALLY wants to know what's going on in those rat tellanovelas. (Also she's likely been the one feeding him and her keeping that ONE BIG secret makes it hard not to keep any others.)
She also would have been a little girl of about 8 years old. That's quite a heavy burden to place on one young child while the whole reason behind wanting to hide out is to protect another child.
As someone with Aspergers, Bruno's and Mirabel's treatment really spoke to me as well as the song "Waiting on a Miracle". I've often caught myself saying something similar to "don't be upset or mad at alll".
Same.
Big same
People still refer to it as Asperger’s? I generally just refer to it as ASD when talking about myself.
Though, of course, people can refer to it however they want as long as it’s not offensive.
@@Lemural actually aspergers was named after a n*zi scientist who used it to separate the "good" autistic people from the "bad" autistic people.
@@Arkantolas I forgot about that. I've always said I have asperger's but with this in mind I think it's time for that to change.
Abuela doesn't need to be punished, humbled and broken. That's people not understanding the final revelation of the film, which is about generational trauma and there being NO villain in the story, only victims who deserve to heal. I suspect it's a generational thing to want Alma punished. The honest ones among them will grow up and find her pain and mistakes more and more relatable as they themselves do things they can't take back.
I mean, the banditos or whatever that killed Abuela's hubby and destroyed their old home in the flashback sure seem like villains.
The entire song is just so incredible, but my favorite parts of WeDontTalkAboutBruno would be Dolores and Camilo. The best sound in the movie is Dolores' high pitched "hmm" though. Also, you are the best, Animagician!
I agree, I mean, hasn't she suffered enough? I'm not saying that justifies her actions, but after she realises what she's done and apologises, what more punishment do you need? she just saw her second home get destroyed, which she got after losing her first home and her husband, and she realises its her fault... just how painful must that be? I don't see a need to guilt her any further, that would be just hurting for hurting, not to heal. Plus, in the movie they make a point of not taking away her blame, they just don't dwell on it, because that would be pointless and more hurtful, Mirabel doesn't tell her "you didn't break the family", she says she didn't break anything that couldn't be fixed, and the abuela knows, she has to live with what she's done, but as long as she learns from it and changes her attitude for the better then you don't need to punish any further, her own guilt and past suffering its punishment enough. if she has acted that way its precisely because she of all she's suffered, what she needs is help and love, not punishment. I think people are just used to having a "standard" villain that gets punished at the end, but I love this movie, the biggest villain was generational trauma and lack of communication.
"I suspect it's a generational thing to want Alma punished."
I'm really curious what exactly you mean by this, please elaborate. Here's a few different meanings I got from it:
*There are some people who feel like a story must have a villain. They are not understanding the point of the movie- they see it as a "good guy beats bad guy" rather than the more complex family-oriented plot that it is. This is a generational thing because most movies have villains, even when it is unnecessary to the message (Frozen, Zootopia, just any movie with a bad twist villain, really).
*There are some people who want Alma punished because they have dealt with a person like her. This is a generational thing because family issues are far more common than they should be. You say these people must grow up because their want to see Alma punished and in pain is stemmed from their own pain, and that they are lashing out in anger, when the correct choice is for everyone to try to heal. This group may also include those who thought Alma apologizing was unrealistic and surprising since they do not often see the Almas of their lives admitting mistakes without basically being forced to.
I'm assuming it's the first one, since that makes a bit more sense given the rest of your comment (and I just saw an example of the first in another thread), but the second idea intrigues me and is interesting to think about as I may slightly fall into that group (though not enough for me to consider the ending at all wrong and I loved it a lot).
I just love how people want characters that make simple mistakes to be so harshly "punished", yet Captain MAGA from Falcon and the Winter Solider deserved a pass because "the pressure, you guuuuuuysssss!!!"
Qwhite telling what people's thresholds are 🤔
I really liked how this movie just focused on a small-scale environment, and it allowed to flesh out the characters more. Speaking of the characters, they were so nicely fleshed out and memorable!
Mirabel went on whole adventure without ever leaving the house that's what's so amazing about casita.
@@bichen-up-ur I agree, it feels big even with the relatively small environment.
@@TheMine2001 Yes, even the walls were a new setting on itself. I wish we could have seen more rooms, since they are bigger on the inside.
That's actually most classic telenovelas do... They disect characters left and right in 3-5 sets. Usually 2 or 3 houses at most
I would never call Encanto perfect movie, just "so good that I don't care for any flaws". It just made me feel so warm inside.
It's doubly cleansing since last 3 Disney movie were... maybe not "bad", just "bad for modern Disney".
Also, I would not remove to climax action sequence because Casita falling apart and still desperately protecting everyone was the closest I was to tears in a long time.
What's wrong with luca I love that movie too
@@randon19yearold I mean disney, not pixar. Ralph 2, Frozen 2, Raya were mixed
@@randon19yearold Luca is a Pixar film
@@metalskulkbanepl161 Ohhh, true.
@@metalskulkbanepl161 Ralph breaks the internet was Disney’s way of saying ‘see how much cool stuff we own!’ and completely killed Ralph’s character. Frozen 2 had a confusing plot where Elsa is somehow the fifth spirit, yet ice is just another form of water, which is ALREADY an element....sooo? Raya had stunning visuals, but was incredibly forgettable somehow. Oh and the music. The goddamned awful music 💀
Dolores was around 12yrs old when Bruno left, meaning she has had her powers for 7yrs, so Bruno is fully aware of her being able to hear everything.
She was old enough to remember him and she was sympathetic to his situation, being like the only one in We Don't Talk About Bruno to actually say something that isn't spooky or begrudging of him.
I think he spoke to her when he went into hiding and explained that he will be away for awhile and that she should keep it a secret for now, the irony being she can't keep small secrets but knew of the biggest one for years.
She knew he was safe, probably sneaked in some food for him ("stop pretending to be dolores so you can have seconds"?) and maybe even found joy in his telenovas. When she said she could hear the rats talking in the walls i found it odd because she can't understand animals, except if she was hinting at Bruno talking to the rats.
Meh i dunno, but it's fun to speculate
Not being available to keep some secrets, but keeping huge ones is a coping mechanism. The logic behind those people is "if they think I can't keep one, then they'll never even wonder if I'm hiding something"
Camilo was the one pretending to be Dolores for seconds, but other than that, yea I agree
@@dwoktheraynejonsohn4849 yeah, but maybe there was a reason why Camilo chose *dolores* of all people in order to sneak food. If Dolores sneaks food to Bruno, it’s possible she often takes a lot of extra food at mealtimes, and over time the rest of the family would start assuming she just has a big appetite or something. Would explain why Mirabel doesn’t question the amount of food ‘Dolores’ had on her plate at the time.
@@Sparkletta I thought she just didn't have her first serving yet and Camilo was "taking" hers
In the song she not only doesn't say anything bad about him, she kind of explains it all even. Like "they didn't understand his prophecies, so they began to fear and ostracize him"
Implying she actually does not fear him, unlike all the others
I paused it at "what is the narrative focus of Be Our Guest?", to come here and answer. Be Our Guest serves as the household objects trying to win over Belle, doing their part so she'll want to stay and eventually warm up to the Beast. Something that irritates me about a lot of readings of Beauty and the Beast is that they leave aside the fact that the household objects are servants who are also under a spell and are also desperate to have the Beast break the curse, so of course they would do whatever is in their power to make Belle feel welcome. I think it's a crucial narrative beat.
Which is what is nice about the inclusion of 'Human Again'.
...The first time I saw Beauty and the Beast, I spent the entirety of 'Be Our Guest' on edge, expecting Beast to come bursting in and furiously disrupt everything at the end of the song.
it is. you think that because it is.
I thought the reason why Mirabel and Isabella's dislike of each other was because whenever Mirabel would mess up, Isabella had to deal with the consequences as the older sister, and Isabella trying to do what she could to be perfect and Mirabel messing it up, Isa would probably get very mad and Mirabel, and i'm guessing it happened often
Iirc she even says it on their confrontation. "I've been struck being perfect my whole entire life and literally all you do is MESS, IT, UP!"
Yeah, I got that feeling too. I mean, I don't think Mirabel messes up intentionally, or even particularly big things. But as the older sibling, you do kind of have that responsibility to "look after your sibling". So when a 4 year old Mirabel pushes over the jar of sugar while Isa is in the room, it would be Isabellas fault. Mirabel getting hurt with Isabella around: Isabellas fault. Mirabel not getting her chores done: Isabellas faut. Becouse Isabella is the older, and should know better, and look after her siblings becouse she is the perfect big sister and role model. And the older you get, the more that spirals, and the more you think them messing up reflects onto you, even if it doesn't actually.
actually, according to the book, the reason Isabela was mean to Mirabel was because she was jealous that Mirabel didn't have a gift and didn't have to go through so many expectations the way she did, which I find very interesting
Maybe so, but with the proposal....
Mariano could have just tried proposing again later right?
Not every couple has a perfect proposal moment, and isn't the marriage the most important thing??
@@DrawciaGleam02 well in the first place, isa didnt even want to get married to mariano. so in her mind, she was probably just thinking "lets get this overwith" but because maribel caused so much ruckus now isa has to deal with the stress of getting married AND dealing with maribel. it also doesnt help that everyone expects her to do/be everything perfectly first time without failure so a lot of her frustration got projected to maribel
I will say, Mirabel attempting to get the candle while the house is falling apart, to me, was further cementing her love and dedication to her family's wellbeing. The house is literally falling apart around her, and this girl who has NO POWERS is still doing her best to save something she knows is precious to her family and especially Abuela, even after realising that she'll never be good enough for her literally moments before. She's not doing it to prove herself anymore like she was throughout the movie, now it's simply a selfless, instinctual act of love, persevering despite having realised she'll never be enough, and her doing so in that context helps to emphasise just how unwavering that love for her family really is
I also subscribe to the interpretation that seeing her grandchildren risked their lives to save a candle was the final nail Abuela needed to see the extent of the damaged she’d done
13:45 Mirabel reaching the candle was VERY important- it showed that the family relied on their magical gifts and they were still unable to get to the candle. Only the person who didn’t use magic could get to it.
I’m autistic and “gifted” and also have too much pressure on me so this was a fun movie to sweat nervously to while watching with my family
Same, dude.
"I'm pretty sure I'm worthless if I can't be of service" K.O.
@@thedorkknight9684 oof, I felt that one
@@thedorkknight9684 You are.
@@KicksPregnantWomen ?
@@KicksPregnantWomen what, no.
I disagree on Brunos Room. I thought it was a great bit of visual storytelling on how people suffering with mental illness like anxiety and depression feel like we need to make ourselves distant and difficult to approach. We, like Bruno, have been convinced that we are the problem. We don't want people to come to close because we think we are going to screw it up in some way.
I thought the action beat of the house falling apart showed that the family relied on their powers too much and Mirabel, who never had powers to rely on, was able to get to the candle by her own means. Showing she is still capable without being “special”
Agreed. I'd say even she is capable in that instance exactly because she grew up without powers. Probably she was not given powers specifically so there's someone around who doesn't fall apart without powers.
I personally think that the scene where Mirabel is running to get the candle really shows how badly Abuela’s prioritization of the candle and the miracle has screwed the family up, to the point where one of them is putting it over their entire life. I feel like that really would have served as a wake up call to Abuela to start treating the family as better and more important than their powers.
I was REALLY glad they got to keep their gifts. As someone who was deemed exceptional because I have things I'm very passionate about, I was scared of them loosing their gifts because it would have left me with the message "Hey, you need to abandon your passions to be healthy". Instead "You're more than just what you're useful for" as they went with was a lot healther imho both for those who are treated as exceptional and those who feel bad because they don't feel exceptional.
It would have made me feel especially sad about Isabella, who only now discovered what she can do with her gift. Permanently losing it shortly after she finally figured it out would have been awful.
I think getting their powers back makes sense if you view them as a metaphor for having special skills. When everything is a mess, they lose their confidence and joy in using those skills, but when the family heals, those skills are still there!
I can't believe Disney pulled off a bottle episode in a feature-length movie. the way this movie and characters are laid out I think of any Disney movie this one is begging to become an animated series like many of their other movies have.
They got away with it by just moving all their faraway lands indoors, and completely breaking reality as needed.
Notice how nobody asks what actually happened during "Pressure"?
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 I interpret the songs (probably besides "What Else Can I Do which does literally occur) as Mirabel's 'gift': she's seeing the emotional state of those around her and reality warps to convey that message.
Whether they're non-diegetic (and are therefore only occur to portray those emotions to us the audience) or they are part of Mirabel's ability to see people, most of them do not occur literally. In the real world of the film, "Surface Pressure" is probably a short conversation or maybe a 'Vulcan mind meld '-type deal between the sisters, idk.
I feel like people who complain that abuela wasn't apologetic enough really don't understand what it's like being from a family with a violent background. Like my grandparents, aunts, uncles, and parents were refugees during the Vietnam war and good luck trying get any one of them to talk about it AT ALL.
Growing up I would get into arguments all the time with my mom about what her expectations were for me and my sister. But growing up, I've had to realize that trauma from her childhood really affected the way she raised me. And while it would be nice to get an apology for some things, I understand that I have to take what I can get. The fact that abuela was able to apologize AT ALL? AND admit she was responsible for their broken home? Now that's a miracle
I agree. Sometimes, the most truest apologies are being proven through actions, and letting the actions speak rather than words. We got enough of that in her final moments and the final song. It's all fine.
Maybe abuela is the miracle after all
The best apology is changed behavior, and that is EXACTLY what the end of this movie gets us. That's why I CANNOT STAND criticisms from entitled viewers who say nonsense like they hate the grandmother's character/that she didn't apologize enough/wasn't punished enough/wasn't "held accountable"/etc. ESPECIALLY when said criticism comes from people who are not POC.
Ohhh so you think Abuela Madrigal was unforgivable for yelling at Mirabel ONCE??? Wait until you hear about what most of our latin american and/or immigrant parents did to us on a regular basis.
A lot of it comes from (and I say this as a white person) white folk who are projecting and looking at it from an Entitled American perspective, and being too stupid that they can't take clear context clues from a WHOLE MUSICAL NUMBER and need to be spoonfed an apology conga line like toddlers. Non-verbal communication is just as valid as verbal communication.
@@tinymittensdesign YES to everything you said! ❤️
One of my favorite moments in the film is Agustin saying "I was standing up for my daughter"
It was so damn satisfying.
12:55 To convey how much the servants enjoy serving Belle, not because Belle is super fun to serve or because they love serving, but because they love serving ANYONE. It's supposed to give you an idea of how isolated this people have been. But at least they got eachother, the Beast isolates himself even more, so this subconsciously lets you understand better the atmosphere of the mansion before Belle got there.
Encanto is now everything to me. I’m actually friends with Dolores voice actress, I met Jared Bush, and I met John Leguizamo all in one year.
You lyin’ 🤭😲
If not, I’m jealous!!!
Luuuuucky!
that's incredible.
@@SSMH6446 I’m serious. Her name is Adassa. We been Twitter friends since October. She followed me because of my bio on Twitter.
WHAAAAAAAAT?!
Not only do I like how Encanto represents Colombians and Colombian culture, I also like how it represents the racial diversity of Latin American community and you can tell right away with the Madrigals themselves. Most fictional media would just portray Hispanic/Latin American people with brown-to-dark skin. But there are definitely different ethnicities and skin tones within Latin American societies no different from North American societies. Any Hispanic/Latin American person can be black, white, indigenous, asian, mestizo/mixed, etc.
I loved this, myself. It's also why I don't understand comments from people who think Pepa is adopted. Did they not see the newborn with red hair? Genetics are cool because they can offer surprises sometimes.
It felt nice to me too. I’m not hispanic, but Indian, and for some reason we’re always represented as having incredibly dark skin in western media. I’m not saying some of us don’t have dark skin or that that’s a bad thing, but there are loads of fair skinned Indians (my mother and brother, for example) and it WOULD be nice to see a fair, or atleast lighter skinned non stereotypical Indian in media.
@@Sparkletta But doesnt Bollywood push the light skinned ppl in the movies...without the darker skinned peers?
I would think that the latter feels seen..aftet soooo many years.
@@DeeDiamond2981 yeahhh so theres basically zero balance. On one hand there is western media with all indians being dark, and then theres my own fricking country where the dumb colonialist concept of 'fair skin >> dark skin' still prevails, and honestly, i now think western media is doing better 😭
This
People don’t realize that making the house took months so over that period the family resolved a lot of things it just was offscreen .
yeah wearing 1 outfit on different days was rough, when we're kids watching cartoons we just have an extra good sense of time or something lol
I really liked the fact that they enforced Isabella’s expectation for perfection by what she says to Mirabel. All Mirabel knows is that Isabella has hated her for as long as she has been able to remember and she doesn’t understand why till she has her sister-sister emotional moment. The fact that Isabella views Mirabel as a stain on her perfection is imo absolutely based on what abuela has said about her, especially considering in the scene where Mirabel is helping set up for Antonio’s ceremony both Isabella and abuela tell her she is trying too hard, getting the way, and that Mirabel should just basically stick to the shadows and not try to help.
Hell, isabela + Mirabel spend 5 minutes dancing around + growing flowers together and it ends with isabela saying "you're a bad influence" when all Mirabel did was say "hey, those are YOUR powers - do whatever you want with them! As long as you aren't actively hurting people, grow what you like! Why not?"
Isabela was almost certainly told to avoid Mirabel (the family failure) once she failed to get a gift - either out of fear mirabel's lack of gift would affect her, or just because Mirabel isn't seen as being useful or valued or helpful.
I bet there's also precedent within the family for Isabela + Luisa needing to cover for Mirabel when she messes up to avoid Abuela's reactions, so isabela probably built up resentment that not only did Mirabel get to be and do whatever she wanted, but she also managed to avoid consequences via her + Luisa's gifts, while Isabela (as the oldest) likely got a lot less support/backup.
Isabela is also the oldest, so she is both the one setting the standard for the sisters AND responsible as the oldest to Lead by Example + do things For the Family (arranged marriage etc) instead of for herself.
i saw mirabel trying to get the candle as a last desperate attempt to prove herself to the family, to the point of putting herself in danger-- putting the magic/everyone's gifts over her own safety or even her life. i think abuela looks so horrified afterwards not only because the house is gone but also she realizes how mirabel almost died. i agree with everything you said except for about that scene
The trailers for this movie seriously messed up. I felt so confused during the first half wondering when the "big adventure" was going to happen, especially with that scene of Luisa slaying a monster that was shown in trailers. When I saw it as a three-second frame in her musical number, I felt deceived. The film was absolutely amazing on its own and a refreshing change of pace, don't get me wrong, but the marketing really led on the wrong expectations for the plot
As someone who didn't see that trailer--no expectations. Avoid trailers as an adult, man, it's not worth it (they spoil way too much anyway).
@@carlotta4th These were ads I was seeing on tv, so unfortunately kinda unavoidable! I don't often watch trailers on their own
And they undersold how original the movie was, like, it really just made the movie look like your average disney adventure movie like Moana or Tangled except colombian, no disrespect to those movies but considering how this narrative structure is kinda new for disney you'd think they'd let people know about it in the trailers
The marketing almost turned me away from it. The "epic adventure" that was teased made me think that this was a generic, run-of-the-mill Disney movie. I might have never bothered had Schaffrillas productions not given it a glowing review.
that's why my only voluntary exposure to this movie before watching it was the teaser and the first 30 seconds of we don't talk about bruno
Honestly this is the best take on "how the movie could've been improved" that I've seen.
Agreeing with everyone, it's a shame a potential series would most lilely be done in the same style of the movie like the new Disney+ animated shows, is like Disney is on the verge of fully eliminating their TVA division once their current shows are over, because this in the Tangles series style would (or similar, like some merchandise features) be an absolute feast for the eyes.
Lastly, this movie had a small but very vocal group of haters in Colombia itself, in part simply for being Disney, many apparently were expecting (if not demanding) something as harshly realistic as The Breadwinner, but at the end of the day, they had a rather snobbish and ignorant view of the movie, and animation in general
So they expected a film presenting magic gifts, magic doors, and a magic house yo be at the same level of realism as The Breadwinner? Yeah, they're asking too much.
No hate on your comment, just to provide another perspective. I think the thing about it is, is that abuelas gut wrenching story about being displaced by war, death, and hardship is still going on in Colombia. Of course they’re not going to do that in a Disney movie, but many people aren’t going to think about the fact that it’s still happening because of the way that the movie is framed. I could understand why people would be mad about that, especially if it is their home. I understand what you mean in terms of it being a kids movie and a Disney one at that, but Colombian people who are experiencing that trauma are allowed to be upset
@@curlynerd_23 It is an understandable conclusion, but by the way the comments were done, plus considering the public profile of some of the vocal haters, the chances of them feeling personally aggravated by the depiction of vilence were low. Nobody really elaborated on the vagueness of the violence protrayed, the nearly universal complain was just a "Dumb movie, where are the guerrillas/paramilitary/cartels"
@@curlynerd_23 man, that is dumb af.
@@katiaotero2392 thats fine, you can feel that way. Once again just providing a different perspective.
12:59 Me personally, I would view the narrative purpose of “Be Our Guest” would be that it serves as a moment of levity for our hero (Belle), after being thrusted into a threatening situation (being held captive in a castle by a monster) and also relieving built up tension up to that point, showing that she still has comforting allies in her given circumstance. But that’s just my interpretation.
I think "be out guest" is a great way to show that while the Idea of servants as living furniture is a nightmarish concept - the actual characters are still just people, and are friendly - much like the beast himself.
Like, the average person would Freak the Fck out if the chair they were sitting in came to life + started speaking, and that's without knowing it used to be a human but was cursed into its current form. So "be our Guest" is both a lighthearted + fun song for fun + levity's sake, AND an important piece of the moral/plot - that things/people that appear scary/terrifying at first sight can be more than their surface appearance.
@@doctorwholover1012 I wholeheartedly agree
Also gives Belle a reason to think that the servants are welcoming and nice people and that this whole new setting is not hostile to her, which starts the process to eventually warm up to Beast.
Honestly the family fight would have likely been between the older people. Like Julietta and Pepa arguing over how the village has treated Mirabel and Bruno, or the sisters arguing with the older of Pepa’s kids while Agustine, Felíx and Antonio try and stop it. And maybe Bruno is listening and then sees the house is cracking as things get more heated
But it's believable that due to their family dinamics that didn't happen, abuela is the matriarch of the family and no one ever questions or confronts her. It happens not just because of fear, also because they love and respect her, but in the end this creates a situation in which she can never be wrong and because she's never confronted, her character evolves in this way.
Only when Mirabel is pushed to an emotional breaking point is when abuela is talked back for the first time ever, while the rest of the cast still are processing happening and are not in a mental state to start arguing with abuela. Only Bruno later gathers up the courage to go defend Mirabel. So I think it's justified that the fight hadn't been between the adults, which have the family dinamics much more embroided into their minds and need to make a bigger effort to question them.
Also I don't see how the village has mistreated Mirabel.
@@vancesirron9170 One of the villagers has a full conversation with Mirabel about how disappointed everyone was in her ceremony.
@@tomemeornottomeme1864 That's not mistreatment. People are allowed to feel how they feel. They weren't disappointed in her, just the ceremony since it ended up being anti-climactic.
@@tomemeornottomeme1864 tbh, I think he was just trying to make her feel better in a weird way by giving her something special...but sort of ruined the effect by making her feel even more out of place
I always find it hilarious when people find out about a prophesy that they don’t like but end up making them self fulfilled when trying to prevent them.
Honestly, in Mirabel's case it happened because of Abuela's harsh words.....
we don’t talk about Bruno is an interesting ‘villain’ song
Not just because he isn’t even really the villain of the film but because he isn’t singing it - it’s just an ensemble piece about what everyone else thinks about him and how he is externally perceived compared to most classic villain songs that really go into the internal motivation and mentality of the villain
I feel like for Dolores's non-involvement in telling people about bruno is a sort of metaphor about how no one really pays attention to what she says or thinks, they just hear what they want to hear from her, asking about other events. The way she flat out tells us in the song that Bruno is around yet the song doesn't really allow us to hear that clearly is a representation of how she probably tried to tell other people other things, yet they don't seem to listen, or care enough to try. (just my interpretation)
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People didn't really see the family for the people in it, they saw them for their magical gifts and not much else, and that extended to the family members as well, not just Abuela. I would think the family learned this behavior from Abuela, but she's not the only piece of the problem the family has going on in this movie. She's in a sense not even the true source of the problem either, but we don't really learn that until we see just how much trauma she's been keeping buried and unresolved all these years. Like people were so focused on Bruno's gift they weren't willing to take the time to actually determine if he was telling the future or just making an awkward joke or obvious statement of observation. They were also focused on the wrong aspect of his gift too, as if his future sight was what made that event happen, rather than just being warned the event was always going to happen anyway and that they should be preparing themselves for what comes after. There's a lot to break down and look at in this movie and its characters.
I agree, its the irony of can hear anything, but people tend not to listen. Especially when she says she hears Bruno in the present tense at least twice in We don't talk about bruno.
I honestly thought she referred to the "Man of her dreams" in that moment, and since she can hear the entire village, everyone else might have thought that, too.
After all, that's the moment Mariano's approaching.
Oh yeah she even asks Mirabel if she understands
I think because she can hear Bruno she knows he's not the villain everyone makes him out to be and keeps quiet so she doesn't reveal he still lives there.
Encanto is amazing, not least because of just how relatable and memorable all of the characters are. And I think you're right, we got just enough to understand each of them while still leaving us hungry for more. This movie has made a big impact on a lot of people, including me. My family (eight adult siblings) have actually had a big discussion over the last couple of days, sparked by this movie, about some hurts and grievances left over from childhood caused by expectations and lack of communication, just like the Madrigals suffered, and it's been incredibly healthy and healing for us to talk everything out. I cried a couple of times, both at the movie and with my siblings, learning about the pain they were harboring that I never knew about. I hope this movie can do the same for many, many other families.
"Camillo's transformation are pretty much just jumpcuts with follow through"
YES!!! Finally someone addressing it :D
I had to frame by frame because I was intrigued in how well they hid most of those transformations in motion and I'm still amazed at how fucking genius is to just pull his hair up and let it fall while he's transforming from Dolores xD It's magic! Brain magic of the animators!
I'm a bit lost as to what she means jump cuts with follow through. Is it because they are quick transformations. I'm not sure what's being pointed out I guess
@@romanruano1369 They literally change character models from one frame to the other. That's what she means that they are jumpcuts. And for the follow through she means like if Dolores' hair is pulled up then they pull Camillo's hair up too and pet it fall. Also he uses turns to hide the transformation and he overshoots those most of the time so you won't know when in the turn exactly the model switch happens.
I really hope it doesn’t take long for them to green light an Encanto series on Disney+
I love every member of this family so much and I really wanna see more of them
I honestly wish they'd be given all the time it needs to develop a really good series though. Tangled the Series came 7 years later after Tangled the film cause they have to think of a decent narrative.
While Encanto has more promising sequel or series potential as quickly as Tangled, but I'd hate it if they suddenly released Encanto the series feeling like it has to be done cause popular demand.
for those wondering why they didn't really like the movie, one thing i can attest to is that if you don't relate to the family it is much less impactful. As someone who basically cried through the whole movie, i wouldn't like it NEARLY as much if so much of this movie wasn't painfully relatable
Yea I think that's why I don't like the movie much since I'm not the child who gets pressured even the plot just feels boring to me
I didn't relate to a lot of it but still found it very enjoyable
No. I disagree. I didn't like it because it took a very realistic problem with toxic families and dumbed it down to that "if you try hard enough everyone will change and like you". It doesn't happen like that in real life and people need to get away from their toxic families.
@@ricksandstorm Dude, you need to draw a line between someone beeing maliciusly toxic, and someone just accidentaly doing bad things.
The movie works becouse non of the family members (okay, besides Isa, maybe) where intentionally malicious or trying to harm the other. They just didn't know the impact they had on others. Like, the howl damage of the Madrigal family can be boiled down to the phrase "Make your family proud"! THAT'S why the solution (while I still dislike Mirabels little speach to Abuela) makes sense. People can CHANGE once they realice and accept that they screwed up. That's why comunication is so important in live. Nothing will change if one never talks things out and just goes "piece, I'm out, you suck".
@@aniflowers1998 Well, to me it seems like she has spent the better part of her life sucking up to everyone and it hasn't worked. I agree that they are not malicious, but that doesn't mean they are good for each other. The movie has a lot of good point going for it showing the different issues the family members has due to pressure from others. My main issue was with how everything was solved in the end and it seemed like everything was good now. Maybe if they make a sequel they can explore how NO, everything is just surface level ok but there are still a bunch of stuff that needs to be fixed before the healing can really start.
I actually think the final house falling apart action scene is GREAT. All the adults are focused on getting to safety, while the ones running for the candle are the kids. You say “maybe it’s about Abuela seeing how dedicated Mirabel is”. It’s about more than that. It’s about Abuela (and everyone else) realizing how much they’ve placed the magic above their family, to the point where their children, and Mirabel especially, are ready to DIE for it. It’s basically a moment for Abuela and all the adults to finally realize “we have made this miracle too important, to the point where we are making our own children devalue their own lives”. It’s one of my favorite scenes in the movie, and if you watch closely you can see a lot going on with it.
I love how Casita shuffles the adults out and helps Camillo and Isabella as their powers fail.
As someone who really cares about the bonds he has, I absolutely loved this movie. Also yeah, Surface Pressure hits HARD & I fell in love with it on first listen. Easily my personal favorite of the soundtrack & the absolute range Luisa's actress has was a great part of that.
YES!!! We Don't Talk About Bruno may be more catchy, but there was just so, so much going on in Surface Pressure. I really loved how emotional the singer's voice was as well, it literally makes me tear up every time I hear it
If only she had an actual personality to go along with it
I’m glad you brought up Mirabel’s relationship with the house cause my family looked at me crazy when I pointed out that she was the only one(on screen) who actively had conversations with the house. I just assumed that was her power by the midpoint of the movie till I saw the discourse over her not having a gift online
What’s funny is the theory that she rubbed the miracle off when she wiped her hands after touching the candle. It was debunked by Disney saying that’s not the reason why she doesn’t have a gift BUT has no one ever thought that Mirabel BECAME the gift because she wiped her hands on herself?? Like the magic transferred onto herself because the candle was rubbed on her?? Hopefully that makes sense to you. So she didn’t lose a gift. She BECAME the gift because she touched herself right after touching the candle.
Abuela also talks to the house
@@idek7438 it’s been awhile since I’ve watched but isn’t it implied that abuela is talking more to her husband than the house?
@@sarahprince2412 i think I saw the creator himself say that its because mirabel's hands are sweaty when she's nervous
I actually have an interesting idea about Brunos room. We all know that their rooms get created fitted to the person right? And from Isabela we know that their rooms can actually respond to their feelings and thoughts. So the way Brunos room looks makes a lot of sense! By the time he left he was afraid of people asking him for a prophecy and since he needs a big open space they'd probably always have to come to his room. So it changed to make it super hard to reach. Only the ones who REALLY wanted to know their future would endure it, so probably nobody asked him anymore until he had the vision about Mirabel and we all know how that turned out. And for the years that he lived in the walls he tried to forget about his gift. Maybe the room grew some more extra stairs during that time.
Yes, the director Jared Bush basically confirmed this on his Twitter.
I noticed something after my 5th time watching Encanto. Mirabell's sisters got their story arc going from being perfect to admitting their flaws and changing for the better, just as Abuela did. But then I noticed Mirabell did too. She goes from feeling incomplete for not having a gift (waiting for a miracle) to accepting herself as she is when she is holding her doorknob (the symbol of her 'failure') and seeing herself as complete when she says, "I see me, all of me." But they gave her 1 stinkin' line for this! But since the house puts her front and center on the front door, I am with the camp that thinks she is the next matriarch.
14:46 No but as someone who kins to Isabela I fully understand that hatred towards Mirabel, more when you are in a toxic family keeping the peace is the most important thing. Now that your younger sister comes to break that peace you created you would feel frustrated and angry against them
Everyone keeps saying that Mirabel doesn't have a gift, but she DOES have a gift. Her gift is to make & keep everyone in the family happy. And her miracle gifts her the whole house, not just one room - in the end, the whole house ends up becoming alive when she "open the door" just like everyone else does when they get their special magical power. And I like to interpret her door disappearing when she was a kid this way too, as the miracle knowing she would take on Abuela's job when she passes away, therefore giving her the entire house. Bonus points, she talks to Casita most out of all characters which makes me believe in this theory even more.
So Mirabel's gift is keeping the family happy, feel loved and heard. She's going to have Abuela's job one day
Never thought I’d see the day where a new Disney film would have a song that triumphs over Let it go, but Encanto definitely found a way.
I kind of thought into the unknown beat Let it Go, along with the other song Elsa sanged in the second Frozen movie.
'We don't talk about Bruno' is stuck in my head
I mean like, they did reference let it go in the movie itself
@@saphirawinters7028 the songs in frozen 2 just kinda came and went. they did not really have any cultural impact, especially compared to let it go, or even we don't talk about bruno.
@@jclkaytwo Agree about some of the songs, however Show Yourself, Into The Unknown and Next Right Thing are the most powerful Disney songs for me. They hold deep emotion. Didn't really like any of Encanto's song except parts of We Don't talk About Bruno because they just don't have the emotional weight.
Seems like Disney really needs a miniseries for this family now. Also, anyone else get weird Meet the Robinsons vibes from this?
Yes! It was weird and no one in my family understood it, but I got huge MTR vibes!
Actually yeah, I forgot about Meet the Robinsons and how it has a whimsical family too.
It's more of an anti-thesis to Meet the Robinsons. Where the Robinsons are a wacky, eccentric family who happens to invent great ideas and know they are imperfect, the Madrigals try to be this wise, mysterious family who use their gifts to keep the town safe but are hiding their many flaws and insecurities.
About the Abuela thing and how she “didn’t apologize.”
First of, she did apologize, but it was through her actions. She started to express why she did these things and started acting differently towards Mirabel, Bruno, her daughters(in song too!) and it was really nice. When was the last time someone openly said the words “I’m sorry for X and Y” to you? It does happen but a lot of times our actions are the ones that speak!!!! So it makes the scene feel more realistic, and her character overall more realistic too.
Secondly, the dos oruguitas scene made me cry so much and it hit me on a personal level, so it made me feel connected to Abuela and understand her actions. That doesn’t mean they’re justified, but it absolutely made me understand her, and if I was in her position there’s a good chance I would end up doing the same thing.
I personally prefer camilo’s part of we don’t talk about Bruno but dolores’ part is definitely a second. Love your vids!
Camillo is so underrated.
@@disneyvillainsfan1666 i actually think camilo is quite popular in the fandom and whenever people talk about their favorite characters, camilo is always on the list. for good reason tho, i love camilo
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@@birdjuice7334 just because he’s popular doesn’t mean he’s underrated. To me he’s not popular enough. But that’s just me.
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So something interesting, Madrigal is actually a style of music, it's a secular type part song without instrumentals with overlapping vocalists utilizing contrapuntal imitation ( Two or more parts of a song with the same melody are introduced at separate times in the song ) which itself speaks towards the film's message about family and is also the style Lin Manuel Miranda is known for.
There are also a lot of small details that I (A Colombian ) find really nice, Bruno looking into Emeralds, which are very prevalent in Colombia. The Fact that Abuela wears a mourning shawl from the time her Husband Died until the climax of the film when she finally reconciles with that. And a hundred other small details. It's a good movie, but there's definitely more that could've been done to make this a truly great movie.
Colombia*
@@sarahe.recalde8382 Thanks for pointing that out, my bad
@@legokid1902 Is fine dude, thank you! I also like your fun fact ;)
Is it weird that I already knew about the madrigal song style from Gilbert & Sullivan’s _The Mikado_ ?
Kind of amazed that Antonio's stuffed tiger never came up again. It would have been a perfect symbol for him moving beyond Mirabel's help: she gave him a stuffed tiger to keep him company, he gets his powers with a *real* tiger and more company than he could ever need, Mirabel feels more useless than ever, cue interpersonal tension and character growth.
It's a Jaguar not a tiger
Abuela is pushing Mariano for Isabella because she sees them as a second chance at her and Abuelo Pedro's life. Isabella looks like her younger self(even down to the 2 braids in the door ceremony picture) and Mariano looks like Pedro.
Also, while Abuela in favored in Isabella, Isa likely felt that Mirabel was her parents favorite with all the extra attention they gave her.
I think Antonio was worried about Mirabel and had the animals watching over her when the could, hence his Toucan following her into Bruno's tower.
I like Dolores’s part of the song, but I love Camilo’s bit the most. His voice is so smooth and creepy. And paired with his transformations…ugh, I get shivers, it’s so good
i’m autistic and heavily related to dolores’ sensory issues with loud noises. i loved her character so much and related to her not being able to tone out sounds.
For the Mirabel going for the Candle as the house is falling apart, I’ve always love that part.
It acts as a bit of a catalyst for Abuela
It truly demonstrates Mirabel’s dedication to the family
It shows the Audience that even at that point, after being berated and blamed for trying to help her family, she would still do it in a heartbeat.
It also shows how much the family’s worth had been tied to the Candle, So much so Mirabel saw it reasonable to risk her life just for the candle.
Thanks to her actions there, when we’re shown that Mirabel ran away and left the Encanto, it left no doubt in my mind that she wanted to return, she wanted to be a family again, she was just desperate for a connection, desperate to be heard. It helps set up the resolution later with Abuela.
(It also coincidentally has her see the mountain breaking apart that she saw in Bruno’s Vision, which is the path she then takes to the river)
Quick Edit actually, this also ties back to Bruno’s Room, The extent to which Mirabel risked everything to save the miracle, both commendable to how much she’s willing to do for the ones she loves, but also telling of how much weight was put on the miracle itself and not the family, which Dos Orugitas soo depressingly points out
YES! My thoughts exactly. Thank you for pointing this out :)
I feel like Encanto is good in implication, like everyone gets just enough time to project your own headcanons on the characters
About the Abuela part at the end... you know what would have been awesome? If instead of yelling or fighting with the abuela, everyone sang a slower, sadder reprise of "the family Madrigal" were they spoke how much they were hurting.
That would be great, my idea for that scene would be something like "Your Fault" from Into The Woods, with every family member getting a line about how they feel pressured by Abuela's expectations, building up to everyone all singing at the same time, louder and louder, until they get interrupted by the house breaking
I don't think encanto needed a huge family fight for two reasons 1) ot would've been chliche and 2) watching the movie you can see that they aren't necessarily "dysfunctional ", they just lack good communication. After both Isabela and Luisa's songs Mirabel is quick to forgive them, and the same for them to her. They really love and care about each other, they just don't properly understand how to express themselves due to Abuela also not knowing how to express herself/feeling like she can or is allowed to.
I was honestly just hoping for one of the non magical family members to call grandma out on her crap. Mirabelle's dad kinda did but not soon enough for me.
@@catandrobbyflores Mirabel's mom did very early into the movie, she told Alma to be nicer to her
@@catandrobbyflores well, take it from their point of view. Abuela is the strict, no nonsense matriarch, and generally you don’t talk back to the matriarch. Plus, both were married into the family, making them almost like outsiders in way.
*Fun Fact:* The definition of the family name "Madrigal" means it is a lyric poem suitable for being set to music which it is popular during the Europe's Renaissance era and the early Baroque periods. Since Encanto is a musical, I guess their family name makes a lot of sense, aside from their supernatural powers.
This movie is great that it is _"100% pure grade-A Columbian my friend."_
Fits them perfectly
And in English it sounds like the word 'magical' which is neat.
I actually saw the "Mirabel racing to retrieve the candle" as one of the key moments of Abuela's realization of what she's done to this family. She, and the rest of the family, have revolved around the survival of the magic so much more than the survival of the family members, that Mirabel puts her own life in danger to save it rather than herself. That I thought was what really put Mirabel's words to her about "what's wrong with this family is you" into perspective and led to the happy ending.
Encanto was very weird to me. It had a lot of stuff I liked but a bunch of other stuff I wish they expanded upon like Bruno. This one will probably grow on me with time.
It's better on rewatch I think...
If the family did'nt get their powers back the whole "i'm worth even if i'm not as gifted' message would be null
good point
I always tought that Doloeres didn't say anything about Bruno living in the walls, because everyone around her kept telling her not to talk about Bruno
I love Encanto. An instant Disney classic, to me.
All the "flaws" of the movie are mostly nitpicks and narrative/plot problems that are easily forgivable.
We praise Disney's renaissance movies but they had their problems too. Arguably worse than Encanto's.
The scene with Mirabel being left out of the picture made me cry, that stuff hit me right in the feels
i always thought the narrative purpose of Bruno's room was that Bruno arranged his room to protect the vision of Mirabel! Like he broke the vision slate, and perhaps rearranged his room to be hazardous but not exactly "deadly" as to not kill a curious family member. But Mirabel is so determined she just powers through the defenses
We have to agree that Encanto is soon going to take over the world as the most astronomically popular Disney movie I mean haven't you checked Tik Tok and Instagram it's swarming with Encanto stuff. Also it's theme of Generational Trauma is much more relatable to people than any other Disney movie. Go Encanto!!!!!
I assumed that abuelas husband became the house, and that's why it's unconditionally supportive, but can't directly communicate. Just my own little theory
I actually think Camilo’s attitude is the inverse of what was said here. I think when he’s being happy, friendly and supportive, that’s him being himself, while the bored, emo-ish, sarcastic attitude is the face he puts on around his family. I just get that feeling when I see him interacting with the townsfolk and sounding so genuine, and how he does not hesitate to help people whether the situation calls for it or not.
Lol, that’s just Camilo being a teen. I’m loud and cheerful around other people...around my family I speak exactly like how he does around his.
One of my favorite things about the reconciliation at the end is that Mirabel doesn't deny that things are broken. She just says that they can fix it together. That's something that is so important in apologies!
Ah yes. My only gripes with this movie is mainly the runtime. It should be a bit longer, like 2 hrs tops, just to get to know the rest of the Madrigal family a little more and so the 2nd act isn’t rushed. As is, I still enjoyed it. Heck, its been a long while since i ever watched a Disney movie with my family. This is worth a treat…plus the songs are downright catchy and relatable lol~
Sure the whole thing with Abuela is still lingering around with naysayers but hey. She did admit that she unintentionally hurt everyone. That and everyone got their own moments and personal issues, not just Mirabel. UvU
The “Abuela should be punished” crowd really irks me because they’re all viewing a movie about Colombia in Colombia featuring a Colombian family through a painfully American-centric and individualistic lens. Gives me big “I wouldn’t last in the Army cause I’d knock out the first drill sergeant to get in my face” energy every time.
Abuela WAS punished, she had to see her family (which she loved dearly) be hurt, and realise it was because of her. To me, that's enough punishment for her, because it's enough for her to change her ways.
@@jonnybuijze1770 Especially when we consider that all she ever wanted was to protect her family and the home she built for them, only to find out that her expectations hurt them more than anything else.
To be fair, as a Colombian I feel like we as a society have a tendency to forgive our elders’ abuse because they’ve gone through so much. Abuela is both a victim and an abuser at the same time.
Same sort of crowd who probably believes people should be cancelled for saying the wrong thing, even years ago or for believing different things to them. Vindictive, pathetic, projecting.
That's a good analogy you used there
Abuela actually does have a gift like others, but its least regognisible.
It's the mountains of Encanto, that keep invaders and outsiders out ( & the family, in).
Evidence, each family member has symbols of their gifts in their clothes, Abuela has the mountains. She also has the magic door, which she should not have if she was giftless like Mirabelle
HARD disagree about the candle climax. Watchign her struggle and pointlessly risk her life one last time for her family, watchign casita protect her with its last breath, watching the others fail without their powers where she comes closest to succeeding... it emotionally punches me every time.
Personally I thought the shouting scene was very impactful, and then when they were all going after the candle it felt more like "why is the candle *specifically* important again? ...maybe it's some sort of columbian reference I don't know about." (and no "it's the source of magic!" The movie never says it is, it just says they were given a miracle and both house, powers, and doors seem just as important as the candle does. Maybe more because we know the powers and doors actively do something while the candle just sits there and burns forever.)
@@carlotta4th listen closly to abulea alma's story and watch her backstory neer the end carefuly we see that the miracle is stored in the candle wich is why during the gifting ceremony they touch the candle first before recieving their gifts
@@carlotta4th But they were not all going after the candle. Mirabel was going after the candle-- and the others were going after *_Mirabel._* Because the house was about to collapse, and she could be killed..
@@StoryMing I'll have to watch that scene closer next time but I was under the impression they were going after the candle, too.
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I guess it’s open to interpretation either way.
I saw it as they were trying to get to Mirabel.
Im just gonna put my thoughts here, but i think that the cracks forming was because of the loss of faith, mainly from Mirabel, you can see how in the crumbling scenes it is usually when something is wrong with her feelings, and finally at the last bit where it collapses all of the way since the Abuela Alma is yelling at her for messing with Isabela, in the end when she comes back she has faith again, and getting the magic back when the door is opened.
I’d really dig to see this get an animated spin-off. Just from checking out what the creators said about the things they didn’t get into film like the other rooms or the answers to questions to things like “What if they adopted a kid?“. This series has so much potential and it be crazy if they didn’t take it.
The creator also mentioned that the Encanto is now slightly open to the outside world,so maybe we can get a scenario where someone enters the Encanto uninvited and the madrigals have work to get rid of them or show them how to live amongst them. I think the person they could use is isabela's nerdy,scientist,city slicker boyfriend who they scrapped from the original script.
@@siyabongabhebhe7403 Or maybe the faceless soldiers will return with a bigger army now that the village is exposed, forcing the Madrigals and the entire village to prepare for war.
@@cintronproductions9430 guessing by the time period, it’s still likely in the early to mid 1900s. So who knows maybe the mvp could be luisa, Isabel, and pepa.
@@cintronproductions9430 ooh cool idea. Maybe that could happen.
@@cintronproductions9430 I don't know if that'd work, considering the war that killed Abuelo is very much so a real war that happened.
YES- thank you. My only "problems" with encanto come with how the trailer very much framed it as an ensemble grand adventure thing where Antonio was as main of a character as Mirabel and the Toucan was important. It won't be a problem in a few years, but it did make me realize how annoying Disney trailers can be
Tbh, most trailers nowadays either set up completely different expectations, or straight up tell you the entire plot. I remember the croods 2 movie trailers pretty much explaining the entire story.
I'm going to pay devil's advocate and say that Bruno's Room scene is actually quite esential to the plot, and even shorting it out might have been a bad choice. So now it's theory time:
While "We don't tak about bruno" talks about how the Family perceives Bruno, the Room scene shows us how isolated he already felt from the family, which in the end led up to his Hiding. The Really long stairs made him harder to reach (Even if he didn't wanted to), and the flooding sand scene actually represent how Bruno felt once he had Mirabel's visión, destroying (Metaforically) his ability to see the future, just like she breaks when she the vision was about her. This is supported by the fact he didn't wanted to make another prediction in the first place.
It's important to remember that in Bruno's eyes, his visions damaged the family, and seeing that this one would definitely haunt Mirabel, he took the choice of leaving behind his powers (The first one to loose his powers in the family due to Abuela's pressure). I also want to add that while sand is obviously a predominant theme for bruno due to the hourgalss, a dusty room is usually related to negletion and abandonment, which is how the family treated him due to his gift. That's what makes the scene with his wall room all the more impressive, as it reflects that, in his eyes, not having his gift would get him closer to his family.
I also want to point out something I just noticed while writting this: Casita knew, and I think that furthers the theory that Mirabel's gift was family and the house, since the reason bruno left in the first place was to protect her (As the new caretaker), and the casita response was giving him another (more "normal") room, with a door that frankly had no reason to be there and seems kinda hard to believe he could have installed it without anyone (With the exception of Dolores that already knew).
The song "We Don't Talk About Bruno" has a madrigal which is a type of song part that uses voices as the main "instruments", fun fact. The Madrigal family are all parts of a song that become harmonious when they all work together which is the theme of the movie and why they eventually collapse when they lose their harmony