Flat Eathers: "Don't just repeat what others say, do your own research." Also Flat Eathers: Simply repeats what others say and doesn't do any research. I smell hypocrisy.
If everyone had to do their own research on everything, nobody would have time to get anything meaningful done. "How much is a pound of potatoes?" - Go to every store in a large radius, collect the data, do math. THEN decide where to buy potatoes. Because looking that up on the internet is "trusting someone else's research." - "How long is a kilometer?" - Build your own caesium-133 laser clock, correlate the distance the laser based on that (that you ALSO built) travels in a vacuum in 1/299,729,458th of a second, measured by your OTHER caesium-133 device, multiply that resulting meter by 1,000. - "Who is the CEO of UPS?" - Travel to Sandy Springs GA, USA, demand to actually SEE Carol B Tome in the CEO office doing CEO work. - "Why am I broke and starving?" - Add up the expenses of you "doing your own research" and also tally the time all that research took to find out that you had no time for an actual job to earn money to afford those potatoes from the first question.
Flerfers call research finding people making documentaries making true facts say other things that they say by lies and edition. And then they consider logical that an edited incomplete version of a fact is more true interpreted from this point than to check if the meaning stays possible in complete version. They claim they look at the sky but probably only as they're told to do never repeatedly at several hours or just looking as the moon lit side is always toward the sun they would get it soon...
This is what I've been wondering. I want to see a reality TV show where a documentary film-crew follows a group of Flat-Earthers on their quest to find the edge of the Earth. Why has nobody ever done this before? Wouldn't it prove their debate once and for all?
@@donfanto1 Who said it was rhetorical? I mean, there’s an obvious answer, being that the Earth is a spheroid, therefore it has no edges to photograph. But if people are claiming otherwise, surely they could end the debate once and for all with just one photo or video of the Earth’s edge…?
You must not forget the troups of, well I don´t know, I guess the Illuminati or the NASA who are guarding the icewall and shoot you if you go there. Funny enough, flattards do not dispute the distance from geographical north pole to this icewall, everybody agrees these are roughly 20.000km, depending on the longitude. So 2r*pi, the lenght of the icewall is approximately 120.000 km. If we assume one lonely protector every 100m, which still wouldn´t be sufficient to keep everyone from going there, they need 1,2 million people per shift. So the NASA or Illuminati troups guarding this icewall would need to be about 5-6 million strong. That would make them the largest army in the world. When switching out contingents, however often that might happen, you would need 4500 flights with 747´s to do that. But of course all of this happens, even though nobody ever saw it happening, and that´s why they can´t do as you ask
@@2rare2die100 The actual answer is: Because the big ice wall that is keeping the water on the disk (to us sheep known as „Antarctica“) is heavily guarded by the military. You will be executed if you try to sail near. (Yep, that’s the actual reason they give.)
It's still astounding that flat earthers argue that they can see a mountain from 24 miles away while stood at a point almost one-third the height of said mountain. The fact that you have to go to an elevation of 106 feet should completely debunk your pathetic flat earth nonsense. If the earth were flat, and water always find its own level, you should be able to take that picture from sea level. The fact that you can't tells us the earth is not a pancake.
Well if you had done you research instead of listening to the flat earthers, you would understand what you need to do. Do your research like you'd do your search for your next DnD session, lock yourself in your room and start making things up.
@@asmosmeden Non direct statement, with 0 evidence or reasoning. Just spewing bullshit because your own belief has no credibility. You have 0 arguement so to feel better you hurl an insult. Well done you now look stupider than you did when you woke up. And sound twice as bad.
Correct. No matter what you do, if you took the person to space if you had them their own live video feed that went to space, I mean they won't believe anything. Everything they're going to come up with a fake excuse for no matter what
What I dont get is how they say that Nasa is peddling lies and not to believe what youve been taught, but are quite happy to trust Google earth for evidence!
I think its because most of what they use google for its easily probable, so they know if they try to debunk google, people will for sure stop taking them seriously, and other things they use is like "globes lies" that they dont mind if "its true or not" like on this case, say there is a badly coded calculator, he wont doubt it because FE's will just take that person mistake as a showing that the globe is not real, when its just someone did a calculator that doesnt work (or they dont know how to use)
But they never do any real research, they misuse globe calculators trying to poke holes in the calculator but never do any research of their own. I’ve noticed none have ever used a sextant to calculate their position on a globe ( it has been proven to work and lives are in the balance ) but no flat earther has ever created a set of rules to calculate the correct position on a flat earth.
The stupidity always surprises. As a boatsman, the notion of vessels, skerries and land masses disappearing and returning in a predictable way even on sheltered fjords way is so natural. Some years ago, me and my youngest son (then around 14) were crossing out to an island west of the coast. A long way in a slow boat. Beautiful weather, crystal clear air. A long way out, I spotted some masts. Grabbed the binoculars, it was the Bergen tall ship "Statsraad Lehmkuhl". Gave the binoculars to my son, asked how much of the hull he saw. After a while he said the stern was mainly hidden, but he spotted the poop deck superstructure. He knew the vessel, he had crossed over to Shetland with her. After some maths (with help of a online calculator) we found out that the vessel could be around 7-8 nautical miles (13-15 km) away. Checked with AIS, we were in the ballpark. Missed with around 25 percent. Not easy to observe on a rocking boat with shimmering sea and cheap, handheld binoculars. But still. Then I told this story to a flattie. He said I lied and that my son was in great danger.
It’s amazing how flat earthers think they know more about the Earth than sailors, pilots, etc who regularly navigate the globe and rely on it being spherical to do so. The flat earthers tell us that everything needs to be proven by us and that we can’t use anyone else’s work yet they use Google Earth and online curve calculators that they definitely don’t understand, then when they have people like you who have done their own experiment and have proven the Earth is a globe they then say you lied or you did it wrong. Flat earthers just keep proving the Earth is a globe, they bought an expensive gyroscope which showed the earths rotation, they proved the curvature using a flashlight, camera and some wooden boards, so they have proven the Earth isn’t flat using their own experiments but since it doesn’t align with their beliefs they just act like it never happened.
Why are flerfs so goddamn intense? Everything is a life or death conspiracy in their eyes when half of the shit they argue about makes zero difference in most people’s everyday life.
@@michaelj.beglinjr.2804 when they go outside and look around, it looks flat. Seems like many have trouble with the size and scale of the Earth, plus a fundamental misunderstanding of physics and science in general, really. There's the conspiracy aspect of it, namely being one of the "chosen few" who know the "real truth", bla bla bla.
Photographer and videographer from Australia here. I’ve lived for 3 months with a guy who believed that the earth is flat. He didn’t accept any arguments and reasoning. Once he sent me a youtube video in which the guy made a model simulation of flat earth and spherical trying to replicate natural phenomena. In the end of that video he literally said “based on all those simulations, calculations and comparing to real life, we can see that the earth can’t be flat”. When i told him that he sent me a video in which the guy said that the earth can’t be flat, re responded “you clearly haven’t understood the video” 😂 Aaaanyway - if you need any photos or footage from the south hemisphere, let me know:)
Yeah, exactly my question... Imagine one day scientists will come out clean and admit they were lying and that the earth is indeed flat, how exactly will my life change? flat earth, globe earth, what difference does it make to me? What would be the interest of science and governments to sell us this "lie" about a spherical world and hide from us all it's flatness? I'll still wake up in the morning, drink my coffee, go to work, etc. etc...
@@tuxsaxI think you might find waking up on a flat earth a rather different experience, you’d have to charge up your electromagnetic gravity to stop floating away and have to manage without satnav, and you’d have face all those surprised flat earthers who’ve suddenly realised they were right all along. Then you’d wake up and realise it was all a dream and the Earth is still a globe and flat earthers are still short of a few screws 😂😂😂
Precisely, there is no reason for it. My other half is a flat earther and from my personal experience, why they think this big conspiracy is happening is cos they are dumb and gullible.
Likewise, as a seafarer I have no patience for these f***wits. Funny how you learn napiers rules and great circle routes at sea. Seems a waste if it’s flat.
@@MarceldeJong I wonder if any flerf has come across the concept of the geodesic yet. I'm podering if answering that "I'm geodesic", when asked a certain question, would be funny enough to be beneficial? In the meaning that; "I'm straight, no matter the curves."
It occurs to me that if Flat earthers insist that water is always flat, these photos should always be taken from sea level. Then we wouldn't have this massive chunk of water showing. Just a thought.
Well here's another thing: Flat earthers claim we can only see about three miles at sea level because of "perspective." Yet we can see the Sun rising and setting, despite flat earthers saying it's thousands of miles away at that time. (Indeed, when it's setting here in Michigan, it's over the Pacific Ocean.) Why is it that I can only see three miles across Lake Michigan, but simultaneously I can see the Sun setting (when it's over the Pacific Ocean)? And why is there NOTHING between the horizon and the Sun? No mountains. No buildings. Just an unobstructed view. Any flat earther want to tackle this one?
Water's always flat, eh? Tell THAT to the meniscus which rises above my glass when, oups, I over-poured. "Hey! Stupid drink! You're supposed to be flat! Stop that now!" However, the best one's nice wide lake or straight where you know there is land on the other side but it's water that rises to meet the horizon in the middle. Now, how does that work, I wonder? Wait, when is a big lake or straight ever free of waves? Are waves flat? I guess they must fall a bit flat sometimes. Imagine you were a wave and someone called you flat! Then we have tides, like the king tide which recently wiped out a Melbourne building site and injured several workers because the ning-nongs in charge couldn't read a gibbous moon or tide chart.
Been following flat earth for years now and can't believe Sci man Dan is still banging out the videos which within 12hrs had 64.000 views. That's down to sheer effort hard work and dedication. We lucky to have you. Bravo Dan!
It's always an attempt to debunk the globe model. Why don't they use their model to make predictions and test them? Oh. That's right. They don't have a model!
Mann is so obnoxious. He didn't prove anything on his own - he didn't do any of own measuring or create his own recording technology, he didn't go measure the heights of the land masses, he didn't measure their distance across the sea, he didn't even speak using his own voice.
My favorite part is always when they show they are using Google Earth Pro for their measurements, which lets you zoom out to see the curvature of the thing you are measuring.
@@hiroshisato111 exactly, also the really far away land, if he really wanted, he would have had someone on the land on X position to have an exact marker of what part of the land he was looking at, just not random land than then he claims is the shoreline. If you put 2+2 together like in this video we understand its not the shore he thinks it is, its a higher peak, that with some calcs can be assumed what it is, but the real proof and own measurements would need him to have something on there to proof is or isnt that part of the land. (same with the island really as its just a guesstimation what height from sea level is the part of the land he is looking at).
One additional factor that James failed to take into account is that the Bay of Fundy is famous for its tidal swings, which vary as much as 16 meters at the location in which his video was shot. "Sea level" is therefore a very relative term with regard to using it as a standard for what you would observe.
"Sea level" doesn't mean the instantaneous height of the water, its a reference datum...and while large tidal swings may have an effect (albeit extremely minimal) on ship-shore or shore-ship visibility, for shore-shore viewing it has no discernable effect.
@@alexmay2049 Seeing as how the height of the water can either reveal or conceal land that it is or is not covering, I rather think that it does have an effect on shore-shore viewing.
@@alexmay2049 Have you been to the bay of fundy? It's quite exciting to be standing on a "shore" that will soon have 50 feet of water over your head (hence why they post warning signs to get the heck out of there before the tide comes in).
He tells us to do our own research, then says flatly that water does not bend. He's looking across the Bay of Fundy, the most famous water-bending place on the planet. If he can not supply us with a Flat-Earth explanation for the tides, he must concede that water bends in response to gravity. He's looking at Nova Scotia. If the earth were flat, he'd be able to see old Scotland as well.
Problem is: they dont even understand the necessities of their own "model". Like in this video .. Flat earth would require the 600 ft hills to be HIGHER than the 200 ft island hills. And the simple fact that the 600 ft hills appear lower than the 200 ft island hills PROVE that earth curves away from the viewer .. But no... he focuses on the assumed "I shouldnt be able to see them at all" following a curve calculator that doesnt factor in refraction.. Coincidentally the same refraction the flatties always cite when we ask them why the sun doesnt always illuminates their giant pizza. They're pretty selective when applying those concepts
Nicely done. This business of "seeing too far" has gotten so old. Not only do they always misjudge the globe prediction, they never address the fact that what we see does not match any kind of Flat Earth prediction they might dare to make if they had the courage.
funny how they never use their own flat earth calculator to predict what should be seen - after all plane trigonometry is so much simpler for simple minds!
i love how flat earthers need to find very specific places like this in order to get even remotely plausible evidence of a lack of curve....whereas if the earth was flat they should be able to do it pretty much anywhere
I live in New Brunswick and have been to this spot in Fundy! Yup, this flerf just debunked himself nicely. Thank you James Mann. (Just a quick sidenote: In a month from now, the Total Solar Eclipse will be passing right through NB and I'm really excited! It's a rare event I don't think anyone should miss!)
Nah! Can't have solar eclipse my friend, because the moon would have to be under the sun at that precise moment, from its precession under the dome. And remember the moon is a luminary so you should clearly see the face of the moon in the eclipse. So it cant work, its fake NASA, don't fall for it, you need to reprogram. 🌕🌖🌗🌘🌚🌒🌓🌔🌕
Plus, those landscapes are covered in trees, which would add another 30-50 feet of visual height. The sides of the island even look just like treetops.
I live on the Kent coast. So close to France that on a clear day, I can see the northern coast of France. From the top of the Leas. Go down to the shoreline? Not so much. And certainly not the same amount. I. Wonder. Why.
It's hilarious when they start saying stuff like "You need to do some research", or "You need to educate yourself"... I mean - what the bloody hell can you say to that?! I once enquired as to whether my geology degree would count, only to be informed that it would not, and that I had wasted my time doing it because it was all lies and fakery. It's pointless trying to reason with ...people like that.
Just straight delusional people. They are only ever gonna tell us we are wrong or lying and never try to even understand what we are trying to get across. Like water doesn't bend? Do you not believe in gravity either then? I feel like they have alot of other things that they just don't believe in that make them even crazier.
I'm wondering if any of them watched and commented on the live SpaceX re-entry what shows a globe, and total lack of flat earth dome, ice wall boundary, etc.
"The globe curvature calculator didn't show the result I expected, therefore flat." "The flat earth visibility distance calculator didn't show any results at all, 'cause it doesn't exist. Therefore globe" Any conversation that doesn't begin with "here's a model that I think works better" is pretty much meaningless.
Omg, what a muppet! 🤦🏻♂️ So higher land further away is lower on the horizon than the height of the island at such short distance from the viewer. How would that work on a flat earth? Such a fail.
They never ask the very obvious follow-up question to the whole "I see further than the globe model should let me!" The follow-up question being "Okay, but where is everything else that you should be seeing if it was flat?" and I'm not even talking about being able to "see forever" but the very simple fact that you can see a mountain that's behind a town ... but you can't see the town / most of the town, only the really tall things, everything else is just, gone, on a flat earth... WHERE IS IT?!?!?
Some of them have a weird idea about how perspective works. They think the distance to the horizon is the distance to the "vanishing point", and the human eye can't see further than that. Which means, of course(!), that the sun can only be that far away, at most.
@@oimself5373 It's both. Dan should've made that more evident. But in any case, Dan is correct and proved it. (Edited: I originally said James, but I meant Dan.)
If everyone was supposed to do their own research we would still be in the stone age. So glad I don't have to start all over. Wouldn't get me very far with just one life.
Yup, if you don't build on previous knowledge and just start over every time we'd have people insisting wheels should square and claiming round ones are a conspiracy.
Anyone who doesn't understand that should watch the documentary Ape Genius. The basic hypothesis is that the only practical reason humans have so much more potential than other great apes is our innate instinct to blindly trust our elders. It allows us to near indefinitely refine and improve past ideas and projects without having to start over every time a new generation is born. Apes have incredible problem solving skills (far exceeding human children), but don't have that ability to unconsciously learn from each other, so when an ape discovers something new the knowledge will generally die with them until another ape rediscovers it. That's the kind of cycle of ignorance that flat earthers and young earth creationists are trying to popularise.
For a flerf *research* is 20 minutes on Google searching bias confirming gobbledegook and six hours watching flat earth videos made by people who know better, but like the money.
Here is the definition of "research" in the Flat Earth dictionary: The process of making up reasons to believe that which you have previously defined to be true.
"Do your own research..." Well, considering I've climbed a 10,000ft tall mountain and looked at the panorama, visited another part of the globe where the hours of daylight are markedly different (and change drastically from summer to winter), and have friends on the other side of the globe who tell me it's winter in Australia when it's summer here and vice versa, I feel like I've done a pretty decent amount of direct observation and I don't need a global curvature calculator to tell me the flat-earth "theory" holds about as much water as a dollar-store sponge...
It is funny how flat earthers only ever try to disprove that the earth is a sphere (and they always fail) but they never try to prove that the earth is flat.
Well that's easy, were 100ft up and looking across a large body of water. Obviously since that water is completely flat we can see the water all the way across to the shoreline the other side, from our viewpoint the water further away will appear higher than the water nearer to us. The island is midway across the body of water so the coastline of the island (which is the same height as the water) will only be partway up against the backdrop of the sea/lake behind it. Because we can see the more distant water above the level of the island coastline it proves that the lake/sea is flat. If only the picture showed that....
I can't believe I am watching a FE Debunk in my backyard.... Funny James didn't mention that his video is about the Bay of Fundy, which has the highest tides in the world, +/- 32 ft.... oh yeah, globe deniers don't know what " Sea Level " means anyway. Great content Dan, thoroughly enjoy it !
He’s overlooking the Bay of Fundy, which has a tidal range of 52’, saying that water is always flat. Apparently doing one’s own research requires ignoring simple observations when those observations contradict one’s foregone conclusions.
Hadn't realized it was THAT bay. Sheesh, doesn't that make ALL his elevations above sea level suspect? So he may have been 158 ft above the water? Or less, we can't know without a tide table and exact date/time of video now.
Surely tides can't logically exist at all on a flat earth model. And even if we accepted that earth is flat, *and* water is always level, then tides can't exist, because if the water is high in one place and low in another, then it must be curved somewhere, thus not level. ;)
I can't believe my province (New Brunswick) got used for a Flat Earth argument. I'm shocked! Also when he first shown the photo, I was like "Yeah...? That's normal. You should be seeing that stuff. If we were on a flat earth, you wouldn't be able to see the island like that."
Flerf: "We do not make the curve calculators" Dan: "No, because you wouldn't know where to start, would you?" Absolutely brilliant! 😂 Honestly could have just ended the video there and it'd be a win. Keep up the good work, Dan!
They should start making Flat Calculators. With simple trigonometry they should be able to calculate the angular size of any object close and far away. ...... and then compare that to real world observations. So were are their calculators?
It's always weird when flerfs argue that the curve isn't as much as what they think it should be. It's STILL a curve. If the earth was flat and you are 100 ft above sea level, you should be able to see where the land meets the water.
@@TrixyTrixter I'm thinking you are referring to that crazy theory from this whack job here in north Georgia. It was equal parts sheer madness and incredulity.
It always makes me laugh that they say "This doesn't match the curve calculator therefore there is no curve". When what they actually mean is "This doesn't match the curve calculator exactly but there is lot of the object missing"
Just waiting for a flerf to have a sudden moment of narcissistic clarity, stop claiming the Earth is flat, and start misusing curve calculators to prove the Earth is just a _bigger_ ball than the sheeple believe!
One thing I appreciate flat earthers for is the countless amount of entertainment they provide haha. Watching you debunk them is just fantastic. They talk about us not accepting that we were "programmed" yet when they get proven wrong (which is always) they say the evidence is fake.
Exactly. Which is why flat earth belief is absolutely no different from religion. Blind faith I wonder how many flat earthers are also religious. Their brains are wired to believe anything.
@@Reprint001 I'm afraid the answer is "nearly all of them." It's basically impossible to be a flat earther without also being some strain of Creationist.
@@NeutralDrownot all creationist are flat earthers🙄just like not all libtards think men can give birth and prepubescent children should be castrated 🤔oh wait
At around 8:30 you needed to calculate the angular sizes to reach the conclusions for which peak should appear taller from that observer perspective, SciManDan. That one wasn't just about what's hidden by curvature over the horizon.
Have you ever asked a flerffer to explain why the visible stars in the night sky are different in the northern and southern hemispheres? If the earth is flat, the night sky would be the same for everyone.
or why the moon illuminates from right to left in the northern hemisphere, from left to right in the southern hemisphere, and from down to up at the equator
@@kromeboy Holy shit... Despite knowing the moon appears inverted from the northern to southern hemispheres, I never once made the connection that it would illuminate from opposite directions as well. I should have; it's obviously the only way it could happen...I just never considered it.
At the place in the Bay of Fundy, I would think that the tidal height would play a role as well, as it is pretty substantial there. So at low tide during a spring moon, the ocean would be below the average sea level. In essence, it would increase the overall height of the island.
What was the name of the famous London theatre where Shakespeare performed most of his plays? What is it with flat earthers calling education "programming". If it wasn't for education down through the centuries, we would all be still living in the dark ages, and they wouldn't have a free public platform to comment on
Do my own research? How about a four-year degree in Cartography? Not just some courses in a Geography degree, but full-on Cartography. I learned how to derive projections, understand projections (anyone for the Gaussian fundamentals of E F G and J'). I had assigments on map projections. I had examinations on map projections. I learned when to use a conformal projection (any time there's navigation), an equal-area projections (quite often), and an equidistant projection (almost never). I learned when to use a hybrid of any of these, and what the distortions are. I learned when to use a cylindircal projection, a conical projection, an azimuthal projection, or a mathematical projection. I learned how to apply the Molodensky constant. I learned the Earth is an oblate spheroid with a flattening of 1/297. I learned that a polar azumithal projections has very few practical uses, except for areas close to the pole. (This is the foundation of the projection the flat-earthers use to support their ideas.) Is that enough research?
@throwaway3873 I think you'll find anyone defending the facts of the Globe from the demented ravings of flat-earthers will care. (Although I'm not sure why I'm responding to what is obviously a troll account.)
@@pieterboelen2862 I'm sure you understand how university education works in the sciences. If you just regurgitate "facts" you fail. You have to be able to derive mathematical proofs and scientific hypotheses from first principles, and back up the stages and resolutions with - wait for it - research. With cartography, there is also some "colouring in".
Don't you love how they'll use the Bible to prove the flat earth by taking an obvious allegory statement as fact Yet whenever a theologian points out that and that the Bible in fact mentions the earth being a sphere or globe, they claim this person is a "shill paid by NASA to deny the Flat Earth" 😂😂😂
The Bible is flat earth if you take the 6 days of creation litteraly. 1. Daylight was made before sunlight 2. Moonlight isn't reflected sunlight 3. The sun is not a star and 4. What's the firmament? Also the Bible doesn't say the earth is a sphere
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002 Literally none of the four points you brought up in any way state, or even _imply_ the Earth is flat. You've also not repeated those points in accordance with how they're explained in the Bible. 1. God created light, not daylight, on the first day. There is, in fact, a difference between light and daylight. And even if there wasn't, what does any of that have to do with the Earth's shape? (Absolutely nothing.) 2. The Bible doesn't say that moonlight isn't reflected sunlight. It simply states that the sun was made to give light during the day, and the moon to give light during the night. And even if the Bible did say that moonlight isn't reflected sunlight, what does that have to do with the Earth's shape? (Absolutely nothing.) 3. The Bible doesn't say anything about the sun being a star or not. It references stars without referencing the sun, but so do we virtually every time we reference the sun. No one calls it 'Sol'. No one calls it a star unless we're specifically discussing stars and the sun's properties as a star. In everyday use, we just call it the sun. But even if the Bible did specifically state that the sun isn't a star, what would that have to do with the Earth's shape? (Absolutely nothing.) 4. Firmament is the English translation of a Hebrew word that means 'expanse'. It's a poetic way to describe the sky. What does a poetic word for 'sky' have to do with the Earth's shape? (Absolutely nothing.) And I'm not saying the Bible should be used as a science textbook. Or even that anyone should take it as factual. But none of the things you falsely claimed are in the Bible have anything to do with whether the Earth is flat of spherical; there's literally no connection. You arguing that the Bible says the Earth is flat is just as wrong as flerfkin who do the same thing. If you're agreeing with flerfkin because you're incapable of reading and understanding the material, that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about the material...
Well then. 1. God created light. He seperated the light from the darkness. He called the light, day and He called the darkness, night. So where is this mysterious daylight in heliocentrism? It's not the sun. What you don't seem to understand is nobody knows what the shape of the earth is. The point is space is a lie. You say the Bible is in the realm of space. I disagree. There are verses that point to geocentrism. I'm just saying the very beginning of the Bible opposes what Nasa tells us.
@@frocat5163 k you didn't pay attention. God called light, day. That light isn't sun or moon light because neither existed at the time. If it can't exist in Heliocentrism, then the Bible isn't heliocentric. OP is saying the Bible says the earth is a sphere. Where does it say that? It doesn't. It does say circle though.
You do a good job debunking these people. If we had to prove everything ourselves and not believe in scientific consensus, we'd have a very limited knowledge of our universe.
I would go so long as if a flerf is brave enough to make a video outdoor, odds are high that they debunk themselves. If the are so brave that they go to the coast a clear day the odds are almost 100% that they debunk themselves.
He probably could if he picked his island carfully. The Bay of Fundy has one of the highest tide ranges in the world.If he took photos on a spring neep tide, the sea is well down.
@@TheScotsalan Nope, on THAT island, the one you see, since flat means flat, show us the beach on that one... Also, get down from that 100 feet and get right on the waterline (whatever the tide is)- shouldn't need to be up high since its totally flat.
What they can't understand is that "level" does not mean "flat". The definition of level is: perpendicular to a line from the center of the earth (or more exactly the center of mass of the earth), up through the point you're measuring. Since on a sphere that line is different for every point on the surface, "level" is DIFFERENT at every point. This is what makes water level, but curved.
Just speaking to the photography: I am an amateur photographer and use telephoto lenses to photograph the ocean on the north shore of Massachusetts. I have both 500mm and 600mm Minolta lenses. I normally photograph navigation markers out to roughly 1/2 mile. However, beyond that point, the distortion in the air above the ocean makes a clear focus almost impossible (except in rare conditions). The best I have ever managed was something around 8 miles (looking along the shore, not out to sea and under very calm conditions). Not sure what lens this photographer is using, but my 500mm or 600mm lenses would never focus out to tens of miles across the ocean - let alone these incredible distances - especially across such a dynamic body of water like the Bay of Fundy.
I live close to a steeply sloping beach. Some nights while I'm out walking, I amuse myself by spotting a ship's light far out to sea, amd seeing how far down the beach I have to go before the light disappears. Then I can make it re-appear and disappear just by walking up and down the beach a short way. Either it's dropping below the horizon of a spherical earth, ir the globists are watching me all the time and are in radio contact with someone on board the ship who turns the light on and off according to how high up the beach I am. More research is needed.
Id love to see a continuous vid starting from that perspective and either have a drone elevate showing the rest of the hidden land or travelling on boat to the next shoreline exposing the hidden land. And explain why it was hidden.
OK experiment for them to use. get 10 foot lengths of PVC pipe and caps to close them and weigh them down with gravel to make them float to the same depth and vertical spread them across a calm lake. If earth is flat you should be able to line up the tops of all the pipes!
But when they see the tops curve downward they'll just say it's due to perspe... Sorry, 'flerfspective', because apparently flerfspective always makes things appear to curve downward specifically, but never upward for "some" reason...
When I did the math wrong: God I suck at this and hate it, but I know it's because I suck at it. When a Flat Earther does the math wrong: EVERYTHING IS A LIE, THE EARTH IS FLAT!
My question for the flat-earth believers is this: please explain why is it summer in Argentina , while at the same time there is a snow storm in America (winter)? Explain time zones; If the earth was flat, wouldn’t all weather and time be uniform all across the land? If the sun was above us and there is a dome, wouldn’t the sun’s light interact with the dome, reflecting light all around?
I laughed my head off at Jimmy Mann declaring that he's saying all this "out of love"! I know him as the angry bloke who pops up on Phuket Word once or twice every month to (a) address Nick as his brother and tell him how right he is and how wicked the rest of the world is, and (b) to find anyone who disagrees that Nick hasn't already blocked and respond to them with a "gET BaCK unDEr THe BRiDGe TRoLL!!!", and disapper until he's allowed back online. It's always and invariably the same comment, and he's been doing this for YEARS! It's hysterically funny!
Something that would be really easy to do to show why FE observations don’t make sense is to use a CAD program like Fusion360 to line everything up on a perfectly on a flat plane at scaled heights and distances, then literally drop lines from view point to whatever Flatbrains are claiming and show how it does not line up correctly.
Can anyone explain to me why water can't bend? I mean it's a liquid that can conform to any shape right? Have these people never witness waves before? Also, they claim water is always level, why? Why is it always level? Well for starters, level doesn't equal flat. It's level because.....yep, you guessed it, GRAVITY!
Flat Eathers: "Don't just repeat what others say, do your own research."
Also Flat Eathers: Simply repeats what others say and doesn't do any research.
I smell hypocrisy.
*"I smell hypocrisy."*
That's a funny way to spell 'stupidity'...
If everyone had to do their own research on everything, nobody would have time to get anything meaningful done.
"How much is a pound of potatoes?" - Go to every store in a large radius, collect the data, do math. THEN decide where to buy potatoes. Because looking that up on the internet is "trusting someone else's research."
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"How long is a kilometer?" - Build your own caesium-133 laser clock, correlate the distance the laser based on that (that you ALSO built) travels in a vacuum in 1/299,729,458th of a second, measured by your OTHER caesium-133 device, multiply that resulting meter by 1,000.
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"Who is the CEO of UPS?" - Travel to Sandy Springs GA, USA, demand to actually SEE Carol B Tome in the CEO office doing CEO work.
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"Why am I broke and starving?" - Add up the expenses of you "doing your own research" and also tally the time all that research took to find out that you had no time for an actual job to earn money to afford those potatoes from the first question.
He called the opposing side hypocrite in advance because he knows the term is more appropriate used on himself.
And when they get more confused, they only turn to other people who are also confused. Instead of accepting reality.
Flerfers call research finding people making documentaries making true facts say other things that they say by lies and edition. And then they consider logical that an edited incomplete version of a fact is more true interpreted from this point than to check if the meaning stays possible in complete version. They claim they look at the sky but probably only as they're told to do never repeatedly at several hours or just looking as the moon lit side is always toward the sun they would get it soon...
Why did he need to climb 100 feet? On his flat earth he could have done all this from the shoreline to get exactly the same result.
I was thinking the same, I don't know why these guys just don't move on and go do something else.
@@MrRaffles1234 They have to feel validated in some way.
Ignorance is the new common sense.
You can't have two separate reference points that are going to disprove your assumed facts, that would be disastrous
Take him up Everest and ask him to look at Kilimanjaro.
Flerfs proving the globe every single day!
I did my research. Flat earthers say they have members all around the globe. Good enough for me. It's a ball.
Who needs science?
Yes, they definitely are members 🍆
Technically, it was the "Flat Earth Society" in a (single?) Facebook post; still hilarious, mind you.
Why don't flat earthers simply go to the edge of the Earth, take a photo and upload it?
This is what I've been wondering.
I want to see a reality TV show where a documentary film-crew follows a group of Flat-Earthers on their quest to find the edge of the Earth.
Why has nobody ever done this before? Wouldn't it prove their debate once and for all?
Why ask the rhetorical question. Why not research that question yourself instead of trying to sound smart by being stupid on the internet?
@@donfanto1 Who said it was rhetorical? I mean, there’s an obvious answer, being that the Earth is a spheroid, therefore it has no edges to photograph. But if people are claiming otherwise, surely they could end the debate once and for all with just one photo or video of the Earth’s edge…?
You must not forget the troups of, well I don´t know, I guess the Illuminati or the NASA who are guarding the icewall and shoot you if you go there. Funny enough, flattards do not dispute the distance from geographical north pole to this icewall, everybody agrees these are roughly 20.000km, depending on the longitude. So 2r*pi, the lenght of the icewall is approximately 120.000 km. If we assume one lonely protector every 100m, which still wouldn´t be sufficient to keep everyone from going there, they need 1,2 million people per shift. So the NASA or Illuminati troups guarding this icewall would need to be about 5-6 million strong. That would make them the largest army in the world. When switching out contingents, however often that might happen, you would need 4500 flights with 747´s to do that.
But of course all of this happens, even though nobody ever saw it happening, and that´s why they can´t do as you ask
@@2rare2die100 The actual answer is: Because the big ice wall that is keeping the water on the disk (to us sheep known as „Antarctica“) is heavily guarded by the military. You will be executed if you try to sail near. (Yep, that’s the actual reason they give.)
It's still astounding that flat earthers argue that they can see a mountain from 24 miles away while stood at a point almost one-third the height of said mountain. The fact that you have to go to an elevation of 106 feet should completely debunk your pathetic flat earth nonsense. If the earth were flat, and water always find its own level, you should be able to take that picture from sea level. The fact that you can't tells us the earth is not a pancake.
Absolutely 100% could not agree more. Nice one dude
Well if you had done you research instead of listening to the flat earthers, you would understand what you need to do. Do your research like you'd do your search for your next DnD session, lock yourself in your room and start making things up.
@@asmosmeden Who are you responding to?
Dont ask him who he is responding to. Do your own research.@@tysondog843
@@asmosmeden Non direct statement, with 0 evidence or reasoning. Just spewing bullshit because your own belief has no credibility. You have 0 arguement so to feel better you hurl an insult.
Well done you now look stupider than you did when you woke up. And sound twice as bad.
This is a never ending series, they’ll never accept that they’re wrong 😂
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One part that and one part they are fully aware of it just doing it for easy money
good for us viewers
Correct. No matter what you do, if you took the person to space if you had them their own live video feed that went to space, I mean they won't believe anything. Everything they're going to come up with a fake excuse for no matter what
But they've done their own research.
Oh, that poor AI being forced to read that nonsense. This is how the robot uprising will start, mark my words!
Yeah, It's why Bender ended up an Alcoholic 😂🤖🍻
Yepp, and the AI would have plausible reason to slaughter a lot of us, just to get the level of stupid back down to normal again 😂😂😂
SkyNET will not be happy.
I'm curious, just what is the AI sound for a facepalm ?
@@boba5984 The Terminator theme music suddenly playing for no reason?
What I dont get is how they say that Nasa is peddling lies and not to believe what youve been taught, but are quite happy to trust Google earth for evidence!
Truly the brightest minds.
I think its because most of what they use google for its easily probable, so they know if they try to debunk google, people will for sure stop taking them seriously, and other things they use is like "globes lies" that they dont mind if "its true or not" like on this case, say there is a badly coded calculator, he wont doubt it because FE's will just take that person mistake as a showing that the globe is not real, when its just someone did a calculator that doesnt work (or they dont know how to use)
Additionally they expect others to believe what they teach!
James Mann blocked me many years ago and then lied about our interaction in his echo chamber. He used same island even back then.
You should have fed him a meaty uppercut..
Research? Flerfs have stopped telling us to do our research.
Because each time we do our own Research, we find that the earth is a Globe.
Flat Earthers have done experiments and prove themselves wrong.
But they never do any real research, they misuse globe calculators trying to poke holes in the calculator but never do any research of their own. I’ve noticed none have ever used a sextant to calculate their position on a globe ( it has been proven to work and lives are in the balance ) but no flat earther has ever created a set of rules to calculate the correct position on a flat earth.
The stupidity always surprises. As a boatsman, the notion of vessels, skerries and land masses disappearing and returning in a predictable way even on sheltered fjords way is so natural. Some years ago, me and my youngest son (then around 14) were crossing out to an island west of the coast. A long way in a slow boat. Beautiful weather, crystal clear air. A long way out, I spotted some masts. Grabbed the binoculars, it was the Bergen tall ship "Statsraad Lehmkuhl". Gave the binoculars to my son, asked how much of the hull he saw. After a while he said the stern was mainly hidden, but he spotted the poop deck superstructure. He knew the vessel, he had crossed over to Shetland with her. After some maths (with help of a online calculator) we found out that the vessel could be around 7-8 nautical miles (13-15 km) away. Checked with AIS, we were in the ballpark. Missed with around 25 percent. Not easy to observe on a rocking boat with shimmering sea and cheap, handheld binoculars. But still. Then I told this story to a flattie. He said I lied and that my son was in great danger.
It’s amazing how flat earthers think they know more about the Earth than sailors, pilots, etc who regularly navigate the globe and rely on it being spherical to do so.
The flat earthers tell us that everything needs to be proven by us and that we can’t use anyone else’s work yet they use Google Earth and online curve calculators that they definitely don’t understand, then when they have people like you who have done their own experiment and have proven the Earth is a globe they then say you lied or you did it wrong.
Flat earthers just keep proving the Earth is a globe, they bought an expensive gyroscope which showed the earths rotation, they proved the curvature using a flashlight, camera and some wooden boards, so they have proven the Earth isn’t flat using their own experiments but since it doesn’t align with their beliefs they just act like it never happened.
Yeah, in danger of understanding the world he lives in.
Why are flerfs so goddamn intense? Everything is a life or death conspiracy in their eyes when half of the shit they argue about makes zero difference in most people’s everyday life.
@@Lucaz99 ---Why do they think our planet is flat? There's something off somewhere.
@@michaelj.beglinjr.2804 when they go outside and look around, it looks flat. Seems like many have trouble with the size and scale of the Earth, plus a fundamental misunderstanding of physics and science in general, really.
There's the conspiracy aspect of it, namely being one of the "chosen few" who know the "real truth", bla bla bla.
Photographer and videographer from Australia here. I’ve lived for 3 months with a guy who believed that the earth is flat. He didn’t accept any arguments and reasoning. Once he sent me a youtube video in which the guy made a model simulation of flat earth and spherical trying to replicate natural phenomena. In the end of that video he literally said “based on all those simulations, calculations and comparing to real life, we can see that the earth can’t be flat”. When i told him that he sent me a video in which the guy said that the earth can’t be flat, re responded “you clearly haven’t understood the video” 😂
Aaaanyway - if you need any photos or footage from the south hemisphere, let me know:)
That's amazing. I bet he couldn't explain how different seasons work in the southern and northern hemispheres as well. 😅
@@jamesbullo yeah nah mate
Don't you know that to truly understand that video you have to watch it in Bizarro World?
Oh please do send some photos and footage from the south hemisphere.
It must look so strange with the sky at the bottom and the land at rhe top. 🤣
@@jamesbullothey just say Australia is not real :D easy
The question that always comes to my mind is, “Why? What would be the point of such a deception?”.
Stupidity, ignorance and narcissism do not need a good reason for their existence. They are self suficient.
For me it is the how. Given the percentage of the population that would have to be in on it how would the truth be limited to these rocket scientists.
Yeah, exactly my question...
Imagine one day scientists will come out clean and admit they were lying and that the earth is indeed flat, how exactly will my life change? flat earth, globe earth, what difference does it make to me? What would be the interest of science and governments to sell us this "lie" about a spherical world and hide from us all it's flatness?
I'll still wake up in the morning, drink my coffee, go to work, etc. etc...
@@tuxsaxI think you might find waking up on a flat earth a rather different experience, you’d have to charge up your electromagnetic gravity to stop floating away and have to manage without satnav, and you’d have face all those surprised flat earthers who’ve suddenly realised they were right all along. Then you’d wake up and realise it was all a dream and the Earth is still a globe and flat earthers are still short of a few screws 😂😂😂
Precisely, there is no reason for it. My other half is a flat earther and from my personal experience, why they think this big conspiracy is happening is cos they are dumb and gullible.
"My research is correct and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong".....shows evidence...."I reject your reality and substitute with my own"
I spent many years working at sea, and I can guarantee that my eyesight plus my radars most certainly showed we lived on a globe.
Likewise!
The assumption that the earth is round strangely happens to work bloody wonders and matches up with every observation I ever made.
Your eyes are a nasa shill
(or some other absurdity they would say).
obviously your radars are designed by nasa to cover up the lie and your eyes are indoctrinated to see only illusions.
Well that’s what we’d EXPECT someone who’s in on the conspiracy to say…😂😂😂
Likewise, as a seafarer I have no patience for these f***wits. Funny how you learn napiers rules and great circle routes at sea. Seems a waste if it’s flat.
"Water doesn't bend" surface tension would like a word
"Adhesion" and "cohesion" doesn´t mean anything if you do "your own research", obviously. Rgr
Also level isn't the same as flat. Something can be level and still follow a curve
If water doesn't bend I'd love them to tell me the shape of raindrops.
@@MarceldeJong I wonder if any flerf has come across the concept of the geodesic yet.
I'm podering if answering that "I'm geodesic", when asked a certain question, would be funny enough to be beneficial?
In the meaning that; "I'm straight, no matter the curves."
They probably never experienced rain.
It occurs to me that if Flat earthers insist that water is always flat, these photos should always be taken from sea level. Then we wouldn't have this massive chunk of water showing. Just a thought.
Well here's another thing: Flat earthers claim we can only see about three miles at sea level because of "perspective." Yet we can see the Sun rising and setting, despite flat earthers saying it's thousands of miles away at that time. (Indeed, when it's setting here in Michigan, it's over the Pacific Ocean.) Why is it that I can only see three miles across Lake Michigan, but simultaneously I can see the Sun setting (when it's over the Pacific Ocean)? And why is there NOTHING between the horizon and the Sun? No mountains. No buildings. Just an unobstructed view. Any flat earther want to tackle this one?
About water being always flat, please don't tell them what the ideal shape water takes is.
Water's always flat, eh? Tell THAT to the meniscus which rises above my glass when, oups, I over-poured. "Hey! Stupid drink! You're supposed to be flat! Stop that now!" However, the best one's nice wide lake or straight where you know there is land on the other side but it's water that rises to meet the horizon in the middle. Now, how does that work, I wonder? Wait, when is a big lake or straight ever free of waves? Are waves flat? I guess they must fall a bit flat sometimes. Imagine you were a wave and someone called you flat! Then we have tides, like the king tide which recently wiped out a Melbourne building site and injured several workers because the ning-nongs in charge couldn't read a gibbous moon or tide chart.
McToons law of flerfs applies here
1. Flerf citations always contradict the flerf’s claim. No exceptions
every contradiction is just a lie and they didnt know what they were talking about except for the part they agree with
I was a flat earther once. Then I turned 5 and learned the truth.
Nobody proves Flerfs wrong better than themselves. Fantastic work James.
Was Mark Sargent near by?
It can only ever be such! It would be tragic if they didn't suffer such hubris.. "flat earth researcher" is an oxyMoron..
Nice curved earth proof from the flat earther. Thanks Dan.
Or rather, Thank you James!
These people who believe that everything is stationary certainly do like to do a lot of spinning.
Nice one!
Been following flat earth for years now and can't believe Sci man Dan is still banging out the videos which within 12hrs had 64.000 views. That's down to sheer effort hard work and dedication. We lucky to have you. Bravo Dan!
It's always an attempt to debunk the globe model. Why don't they use their model to make predictions and test them? Oh. That's right. They don't have a model!
People have done this with lights, and proven themselves wrong
You have to lie to FLERF and you also have to have no basic understandings of maths or geometry (or physics).
Mann is so obnoxious. He didn't prove anything on his own - he didn't do any of own measuring or create his own recording technology, he didn't go measure the heights of the land masses, he didn't measure their distance across the sea, he didn't even speak using his own voice.
Also i didn't see any proof that geometry is true, so how can any of his measurements (if he made them) be known to work in his calculations?
My favorite part is always when they show they are using Google Earth Pro for their measurements, which lets you zoom out to see the curvature of the thing you are measuring.
@@hiroshisato111 exactly, also the really far away land, if he really wanted, he would have had someone on the land on X position to have an exact marker of what part of the land he was looking at, just not random land than then he claims is the shoreline.
If you put 2+2 together like in this video we understand its not the shore he thinks it is, its a higher peak, that with some calcs can be assumed what it is, but the real proof and own measurements would need him to have something on there to proof is or isnt that part of the land. (same with the island really as its just a guesstimation what height from sea level is the part of the land he is looking at).
One additional factor that James failed to take into account is that the Bay of Fundy is famous for its tidal swings, which vary as much as 16 meters at the location in which his video was shot. "Sea level" is therefore a very relative term with regard to using it as a standard for what you would observe.
As soon as he said it was in the Bay of Fundy, I thought 'well there's your problem". Surprised Dan missed that part.
"Sea level" doesn't mean the instantaneous height of the water, its a reference datum...and while large tidal swings may have an effect (albeit extremely minimal) on ship-shore or shore-ship visibility, for shore-shore viewing it has no discernable effect.
@@alexmay2049 Seeing as how the height of the water can either reveal or conceal land that it is or is not covering, I rather think that it does have an effect on shore-shore viewing.
@@alexmay2049 Have you been to the bay of fundy? It's quite exciting to be standing on a "shore" that will soon have 50 feet of water over your head (hence why they post warning signs to get the heck out of there before the tide comes in).
@@ericweeks8386 yes, on several occasions. It certainly is something.
I never thought that in year 2000+ I would hear words like "flat earth researchers" and "globe believers". It's just hilariously funny.
He tells us to do our own research, then says flatly that water does not bend. He's looking across the Bay of Fundy, the most famous water-bending place on the planet. If he can not supply us with a Flat-Earth explanation for the tides, he must concede that water bends in response to gravity.
He's looking at Nova Scotia. If the earth were flat, he'd be able to see old Scotland as well.
Every flerf ever: According to my miscalculation, this is impossible on a ball earth. Checkmate!
I presume "doing your own research" could lead you bloody anywhere!! Rgr
The flerf definiton of "do your own research" is "discount anything that goes against your own confirmation bias."
Problem is: they dont even understand the necessities of their own "model". Like in this video .. Flat earth would require the 600 ft hills to be HIGHER than the 200 ft island hills. And the simple fact that the 600 ft hills appear lower than the 200 ft island hills PROVE that earth curves away from the viewer .. But no... he focuses on the assumed "I shouldnt be able to see them at all" following a curve calculator that doesnt factor in refraction.. Coincidentally the same refraction the flatties always cite when we ask them why the sun doesnt always illuminates their giant pizza. They're pretty selective when applying those concepts
Nicely done. This business of "seeing too far" has gotten so old. Not only do they always misjudge the globe prediction, they never address the fact that what we see does not match any kind of Flat Earth prediction they might dare to make if they had the courage.
It´s probably up to the electromagnetic forces.... Rgr
funny how they never use their own flat earth calculator to predict what should be seen - after all plane trigonometry is so much simpler for simple minds!
But I can see the Alps from Wales!!!! *drool*
i love how flat earthers need to find very specific places like this in order to get even remotely plausible evidence of a lack of curve....whereas if the earth was flat they should be able to do it pretty much anywhere
I live in New Brunswick and have been to this spot in Fundy! Yup, this flerf just debunked himself nicely. Thank you James Mann.
(Just a quick sidenote: In a month from now, the Total Solar Eclipse will be passing right through NB and I'm really excited! It's a rare event I don't think anyone should miss!)
Nah! Can't have solar eclipse my friend, because the moon would have to be under the sun at that precise moment, from its precession under the dome. And remember the moon is a luminary so you should clearly see the face of the moon in the eclipse. So it cant work, its fake NASA, don't fall for it, you need to reprogram. 🌕🌖🌗🌘🌚🌒🌓🌔🌕
I wonder how flerfers predict solar eclipses with such accuracy of time and location, that's a flerf video I would like to see 😂
@@alanp805 Me too! Kind of difficult for flerfers to explaining things when all their models can't science and match reality!
Plus, those landscapes are covered in trees, which would add another 30-50 feet of visual height. The sides of the island even look just like treetops.
"I have shown..."
Absolute zero understanding of anything they presume to teach. But boy is that confidence at one hundred.
I live on the Kent coast. So close to France that on a clear day, I can see the northern coast of France. From the top of the Leas. Go down to the shoreline? Not so much. And certainly not the same amount. I. Wonder. Why.
That's why Kent is there. To keep the rest of us away from France. 😅.
You have my sympathies
Conspiracy! They raise and lower France to make it *look* like the earth's round!
It's hilarious when they start saying stuff like "You need to do some research", or "You need to educate yourself"... I mean - what the bloody hell can you say to that?! I once enquired as to whether my geology degree would count, only to be informed that it would not, and that I had wasted my time doing it because it was all lies and fakery. It's pointless trying to reason with ...people like that.
Just straight delusional people. They are only ever gonna tell us we are wrong or lying and never try to even understand what we are trying to get across. Like water doesn't bend? Do you not believe in gravity either then? I feel like they have alot of other things that they just don't believe in that make them even crazier.
As a Nova Scotian and cartographer, I am equal parts horrified and pleased that my little spot on the globe is being used to defend/debunk flat earth.
I'm wondering if any of them watched and commented on the live SpaceX re-entry what shows a globe, and total lack of flat earth dome, ice wall boundary, etc.
"The globe curvature calculator didn't show the result I expected, therefore flat."
"The flat earth visibility distance calculator didn't show any results at all, 'cause it doesn't exist. Therefore globe"
Any conversation that doesn't begin with "here's a model that I think works better" is pretty much meaningless.
Omg, what a muppet! 🤦🏻♂️ So higher land further away is lower on the horizon than the height of the island at such short distance from the viewer. How would that work on a flat earth? Such a fail.
It can and it does due to perspective. But at the end of the video Dan takes that out of the equation.
@@dmalovic yes it can but not at that distance. The land in the background would have to be further away.
They never ask the very obvious follow-up question to the whole "I see further than the globe model should let me!"
The follow-up question being "Okay, but where is everything else that you should be seeing if it was flat?" and I'm not even talking about being able to "see forever" but the very simple fact that you can see a mountain that's behind a town ... but you can't see the town / most of the town, only the really tall things, everything else is just, gone, on a flat earth... WHERE IS IT?!?!?
Because...flatty light? 😆
Yeah, gotta leave out everything that contradicts Flat Earth
Some of them have a weird idea about how perspective works. They think the distance to the horizon is the distance to the "vanishing point", and the human eye can't see further than that. Which means, of course(!), that the sun can only be that far away, at most.
@@trevorprinn
There certainly is a limitation to how far we can see, even with optical devices.
@@AndySmith4501 There really isnt unless something is in the way that's why we see stars that are light years away.
If we should "do our own research", then why are they videoing their efforts and expecting us to accept it?
"That 300ft land sits lower than the 200ft land. In what scenario would that happen, James?" Perfect.
Perspective can explain it... The 300ft land is far, the 200ft land is near.
@@oimself5373yes indeed that was the point of the video
@@jaydenchrono nope, he gives the explanation of the curve of the earth.
@@oimself5373 It's both. Dan should've made that more evident. But in any case, Dan is correct and proved it. (Edited: I originally said James, but I meant Dan.)
I'd like to apologize for Canada for this, this does not represent the masses.
I learn all about Canada, about Canadian culture, what Canadians physically look like, from watching South Park.
Sorry, Canada's aloha
@@theultimatereductionist7592 Yeah, those square tires are a bitch in the summer. But in the winter, it's just like skiing!
If everyone was supposed to do their own research we would still be in the stone age. So glad I don't have to start all over. Wouldn't get me very far with just one life.
Yup, if you don't build on previous knowledge and just start over every time we'd have people insisting wheels should square and claiming round ones are a conspiracy.
Anyone who doesn't understand that should watch the documentary Ape Genius.
The basic hypothesis is that the only practical reason humans have so much more potential than other great apes is our innate instinct to blindly trust our elders. It allows us to near indefinitely refine and improve past ideas and projects without having to start over every time a new generation is born. Apes have incredible problem solving skills (far exceeding human children), but don't have that ability to unconsciously learn from each other, so when an ape discovers something new the knowledge will generally die with them until another ape rediscovers it.
That's the kind of cycle of ignorance that flat earthers and young earth creationists are trying to popularise.
Most meaningless words when uttered by a deflated earther: "do your own research". As if they had a clue what that means.
For a flerf *research* is 20 minutes on Google searching bias confirming gobbledegook and six hours watching flat earth videos made by people who know better, but like the money.
By research they mean, sitting in their moms’ basements looking up videos by science deniers.
Here is the definition of "research" in the Flat Earth dictionary: The process of making up reasons to believe that which you have previously defined to be true.
A perfect example of why I never trust anyone who says they do their own """research""" anymore.
"Do your own research..."
Well, considering I've climbed a 10,000ft tall mountain and looked at the panorama, visited another part of the globe where the hours of daylight are markedly different (and change drastically from summer to winter), and have friends on the other side of the globe who tell me it's winter in Australia when it's summer here and vice versa, I feel like I've done a pretty decent amount of direct observation and I don't need a global curvature calculator to tell me the flat-earth "theory" holds about as much water as a dollar-store sponge...
It is funny how flat earthers only ever try to disprove that the earth is a sphere (and they always fail) but they never try to prove that the earth is flat.
Well that's easy, were 100ft up and looking across a large body of water. Obviously since that water is completely flat we can see the water all the way across to the shoreline the other side, from our viewpoint the water further away will appear higher than the water nearer to us. The island is midway across the body of water so the coastline of the island (which is the same height as the water) will only be partway up against the backdrop of the sea/lake behind it. Because we can see the more distant water above the level of the island coastline it proves that the lake/sea is flat.
If only the picture showed that....
I can't believe I am watching a FE Debunk in my backyard.... Funny James didn't mention that his video is about the Bay of Fundy, which has the highest tides in the world, +/- 32 ft.... oh yeah, globe deniers don't know what " Sea Level " means anyway. Great content Dan, thoroughly enjoy it !
He’s overlooking the Bay of Fundy, which has a tidal range of 52’, saying that water is always flat. Apparently doing one’s own research requires ignoring simple observations when those observations contradict one’s foregone conclusions.
Hadn't realized it was THAT bay. Sheesh, doesn't that make ALL his elevations above sea level suspect? So he may have been 158 ft above the water? Or less, we can't know without a tide table and exact date/time of video now.
Exactly. Highest tides in the world there I believe.
Surely tides can't logically exist at all on a flat earth model. And even if we accepted that earth is flat, *and* water is always level, then tides can't exist, because if the water is high in one place and low in another, then it must be curved somewhere, thus not level. ;)
@@daemn42 And since "tHe MoOn Is ReFlEcTiOn", what could even cause tides...?
@@Sephiroth144 kinda thought that was implied by "can't logically exist at all on a flat earth model".
I can't believe my province (New Brunswick) got used for a Flat Earth argument. I'm shocked! Also when he first shown the photo, I was like "Yeah...? That's normal. You should be seeing that stuff. If we were on a flat earth, you wouldn't be able to see the island like that."
Laughable that they call themselves "truthers".
Isn't "truther" the term for a post on Trump social like tweet for the network formerly known as Twitter? No actual connection with truth.
Flerf: "We do not make the curve calculators"
Dan: "No, because you wouldn't know where to start, would you?"
Absolutely brilliant! 😂 Honestly could have just ended the video there and it'd be a win. Keep up the good work, Dan!
They should start making Flat Calculators.
With simple trigonometry they should be able to calculate the angular size of any object close and far away.
...... and then compare that to real world observations.
So were are their calculators?
@@Yehan-xt7cw similarly to the curve calculators, they wouldn't have a clue where to start. Mathematics is not their strong suit 😂
It's always weird when flerfs argue that the curve isn't as much as what they think it should be. It's STILL a curve.
If the earth was flat and you are 100 ft above sea level, you should be able to see where the land meets the water.
But not as much as they think it should be.
In general, "disproving" the globe doesn't proof the flat earth.. they even fail at that logic
No no no. Things disappear from the bottom up, which is why when I look up at passing jets I can see the passengers inside.
@@daenielp Eventually people will realize Cube earth is the truth!
@@TrixyTrixter I'm thinking you are referring to that crazy theory from this whack job here in north Georgia. It was equal parts sheer madness and incredulity.
🎉🎉 another Flerf failing. Should be: Flath Earth Failing.
FEFS, iits missing Society in your name!
@@xugamisto you are absolutely right! My bad.
We had the FE Fail Compilations for a while. They’re gone now😢
It always makes me laugh that they say "This doesn't match the curve calculator therefore there is no curve". When what they actually mean is "This doesn't match the curve calculator exactly but there is lot of the object missing"
Just waiting for a flerf to have a sudden moment of narcissistic clarity, stop claiming the Earth is flat, and start misusing curve calculators to prove the Earth is just a _bigger_ ball than the sheeple believe!
Wait.. so getting the calculations wrong counts as flerf research? Shocking.
Why is it that flat earthers use refraction as an excuse for debunking everything until it proves Earth curve, then they suddenly forget it exists.
Not to mention that the camera he used literally can not exist without humanity having an absolute mastery and understanding of refraction.
One thing I appreciate flat earthers for is the countless amount of entertainment they provide haha. Watching you debunk them is just fantastic.
They talk about us not accepting that we were "programmed" yet when they get proven wrong (which is always) they say the evidence is fake.
Sùch passion in what you believe, too bad he so clearly debunks himself so easìly.
Flat Earth Research: "Watch Flat Earth videos. Believe everything claimed in those videos without question."
Exactly. Which is why flat earth belief is absolutely no different from religion. Blind faith
I wonder how many flat earthers are also religious. Their brains are wired to believe anything.
@@Reprint001 I'm afraid the answer is "nearly all of them." It's basically impossible to be a flat earther without also being some strain of Creationist.
@@NeutralDrownot all creationist are flat earthers🙄just like not all libtards think men can give birth and prepubescent children should be castrated 🤔oh wait
At around 8:30 you needed to calculate the angular sizes to reach the conclusions for which peak should appear taller from that observer perspective, SciManDan. That one wasn't just about what's hidden by curvature over the horizon.
When they say ``Globe believers`` my brain just jolts.
Listening to a very obvious computer generated voice complain about programming is deliciously ironic.
Have you ever asked a flerffer to explain why the visible stars in the night sky are different in the northern and southern hemispheres?
If the earth is flat, the night sky would be the same for everyone.
Personal "dome". But only if it suits their narrative, discarded the moment it doesn't.
southern hemispheres doesn't exist. Its a lie to support the lie.
@@c.augustin Ask 100 different flerfers, receive 100 different answers. Rgr
or why the moon illuminates from right to left in the northern hemisphere, from left to right in the southern hemisphere, and from down to up at the equator
@@kromeboy
Holy shit... Despite knowing the moon appears inverted from the northern to southern hemispheres, I never once made the connection that it would illuminate from opposite directions as well. I should have; it's obviously the only way it could happen...I just never considered it.
I’ve never been to public school and somehow, every day with nothing but my eyes, still prove that the Earth is a globe. I must be so programmed.
James doesn't even know that "Public Schools" are private schools 😂😂
In the UK that's true. Not the US. Public schools here are all state run.@@dogwalker666
At the place in the Bay of Fundy, I would think that the tidal height would play a role as well, as it is pretty substantial there. So at low tide during a spring moon, the ocean would be below the average sea level. In essence, it would increase the overall height of the island.
What was the name of the famous London theatre where Shakespeare performed most of his plays? What is it with flat earthers calling education "programming". If it wasn't for education down through the centuries, we would all be still living in the dark ages, and they wouldn't have a free public platform to comment on
Do my own research? How about a four-year degree in Cartography? Not just some courses in a Geography degree, but full-on Cartography. I learned how to derive projections, understand projections (anyone for the Gaussian fundamentals of E F G and J'). I had assigments on map projections. I had examinations on map projections.
I learned when to use a conformal projection (any time there's navigation), an equal-area projections (quite often), and an equidistant projection (almost never). I learned when to use a hybrid of any of these, and what the distortions are. I learned when to use a cylindircal projection, a conical projection, an azimuthal projection, or a mathematical projection. I learned how to apply the Molodensky constant.
I learned the Earth is an oblate spheroid with a flattening of 1/297.
I learned that a polar azumithal projections has very few practical uses, except for areas close to the pole. (This is the foundation of the projection the flat-earthers use to support their ideas.)
Is that enough research?
Well done! I assume these flat brain idiots think “research” = take a few pics, watch a few you tube videos and call it the day 😂
Nope. All brainwashing. Flerfers have avoided all that nonsense.
That isn't research at all!
That's just regurgitating what you are fed.
🤔
@throwaway3873 I think you'll find anyone defending the facts of the Globe from the demented ravings of flat-earthers will care.
(Although I'm not sure why I'm responding to what is obviously a troll account.)
@@pieterboelen2862 I'm sure you understand how university education works in the sciences. If you just regurgitate "facts" you fail. You have to be able to derive mathematical proofs and scientific hypotheses from first principles, and back up the stages and resolutions with - wait for it - research.
With cartography, there is also some "colouring in".
Don't you love how they'll use the Bible to prove the flat earth by taking an obvious allegory statement as fact
Yet whenever a theologian points out that and that the Bible in fact mentions the earth being a sphere or globe, they claim this person is a "shill paid by NASA to deny the Flat Earth" 😂😂😂
NASA: Paying off scientists since 255 BCE.
The Bible is flat earth if you take the 6 days of creation litteraly. 1. Daylight was made before sunlight 2. Moonlight isn't reflected sunlight 3. The sun is not a star and 4. What's the firmament?
Also the Bible doesn't say the earth is a sphere
@@jex-the-notebook-guy1002
Literally none of the four points you brought up in any way state, or even _imply_ the Earth is flat. You've also not repeated those points in accordance with how they're explained in the Bible.
1. God created light, not daylight, on the first day. There is, in fact, a difference between light and daylight. And even if there wasn't, what does any of that have to do with the Earth's shape? (Absolutely nothing.)
2. The Bible doesn't say that moonlight isn't reflected sunlight. It simply states that the sun was made to give light during the day, and the moon to give light during the night. And even if the Bible did say that moonlight isn't reflected sunlight, what does that have to do with the Earth's shape? (Absolutely nothing.)
3. The Bible doesn't say anything about the sun being a star or not. It references stars without referencing the sun, but so do we virtually every time we reference the sun. No one calls it 'Sol'. No one calls it a star unless we're specifically discussing stars and the sun's properties as a star. In everyday use, we just call it the sun. But even if the Bible did specifically state that the sun isn't a star, what would that have to do with the Earth's shape? (Absolutely nothing.)
4. Firmament is the English translation of a Hebrew word that means 'expanse'. It's a poetic way to describe the sky. What does a poetic word for 'sky' have to do with the Earth's shape? (Absolutely nothing.)
And I'm not saying the Bible should be used as a science textbook. Or even that anyone should take it as factual. But none of the things you falsely claimed are in the Bible have anything to do with whether the Earth is flat of spherical; there's literally no connection. You arguing that the Bible says the Earth is flat is just as wrong as flerfkin who do the same thing. If you're agreeing with flerfkin because you're incapable of reading and understanding the material, that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about the material...
Well then. 1. God created light. He seperated the light from the darkness. He called the light, day and He called the darkness, night. So where is this mysterious daylight in heliocentrism? It's not the sun.
What you don't seem to understand is nobody knows what the shape of the earth is. The point is space is a lie. You say the Bible is in the realm of space. I disagree. There are verses that point to geocentrism. I'm just saying the very beginning of the Bible opposes what Nasa tells us.
@@frocat5163 k you didn't pay attention. God called light, day. That light isn't sun or moon light because neither existed at the time. If it can't exist in Heliocentrism, then the Bible isn't heliocentric. OP is saying the Bible says the earth is a sphere. Where does it say that? It doesn't. It does say circle though.
The "flashlight" concept of the sun is friggin' hilarious
You do a good job debunking these people. If we had to prove everything ourselves and not believe in scientific consensus, we'd have a very limited knowledge of our universe.
Started to write the obvious, then just gave up… ! Maybe if we leave them alone there’ll go away.
My head hurts from shaking.
I would go so long as if a flerf is brave enough to make a video outdoor, odds are high that they debunk themselves. If the are so brave that they go to the coast a clear day the odds are almost 100% that they debunk themselves.
I do all my own research... that is why I have a particle accelerator and a laser interferometer in my shed 🤣
Well, small particle accelerators are actually not that big (but are very limited), it would depend on the size of your shed - and your budget … 😁
Look up guy who made his own electron microscope in his garage or workshop.
Yeah, but sheds need a container...😉
All we need is "show us the beach on the island" 😂
Oh you cant?
He probably could if he picked his island carfully. The Bay of Fundy has one of the highest tide ranges in the world.If he took photos on a spring neep tide, the sea is well down.
@@TheScotsalan Nope, on THAT island, the one you see, since flat means flat, show us the beach on that one...
Also, get down from that 100 feet and get right on the waterline (whatever the tide is)- shouldn't need to be up high since its totally flat.
What they can't understand is that "level" does not mean "flat". The definition of level is: perpendicular to a line from the center of the earth (or more exactly the center of mass of the earth), up through the point you're measuring. Since on a sphere that line is different for every point on the surface, "level" is DIFFERENT at every point. This is what makes water level, but curved.
You always see a Flerf trying to disprove the GE with a "curve calculator" but never see one using a FLAT calculator to prove FE.
Love the sponsor word salad, "Italian Vegan Leather" that's some sweet marketing BS.
How do you know it isn’t made of real Italian vegans?
I have been out on the ocean. You literally lose vision of land.
Just speaking to the photography: I am an amateur photographer and use telephoto lenses to photograph the ocean on the north shore of Massachusetts. I have both 500mm and 600mm Minolta lenses. I normally photograph navigation markers out to roughly 1/2 mile. However, beyond that point, the distortion in the air above the ocean makes a clear focus almost impossible (except in rare conditions). The best I have ever managed was something around 8 miles (looking along the shore, not out to sea and under very calm conditions). Not sure what lens this photographer is using, but my 500mm or 600mm lenses would never focus out to tens of miles across the ocean - let alone these incredible distances - especially across such a dynamic body of water like the Bay of Fundy.
I live close to a steeply sloping beach. Some nights while I'm out walking, I amuse myself by spotting a ship's light far out to sea, amd seeing how far down the beach I have to go before the light disappears. Then I can make it re-appear and disappear just by walking up and down the beach a short way.
Either it's dropping below the horizon of a spherical earth, ir the globists are watching me all the time and are in radio contact with someone on board the ship who turns the light on and off according to how high up the beach I am. More research is needed.
Id love to see a continuous vid starting from that perspective and either have a drone elevate showing the rest of the hidden land or travelling on boat to the next shoreline exposing the hidden land. And explain why it was hidden.
That would be awesome. Drone operators see this all the time, they just don't think about how it disproves flat earth.
OK experiment for them to use. get 10 foot lengths of PVC pipe and caps to close them and weigh them down with gravel to make them float to the same depth and vertical spread them across a calm lake. If earth is flat you should be able to line up the tops of all the pipes!
But when they see the tops curve downward they'll just say it's due to perspe... Sorry, 'flerfspective', because apparently flerfspective always makes things appear to curve downward specifically, but never upward for "some" reason...
3:25: Ah crap.. he's Canadian.. 🤦♂ On behalf of Canada, I apologize..
He took all of the Fundy out of it!
Flat earthers are really the absolutely perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
When I did the math wrong: God I suck at this and hate it, but I know it's because I suck at it.
When a Flat Earther does the math wrong: EVERYTHING IS A LIE, THE EARTH IS FLAT!
Where's gate man these days?
Stuck behind one
I remember that fool years ago. That's like the first time I heard a flat Earth and was in disbelief
We need a "where are they now" series.
Maybe he's become completely unhinged....
@@darthwiizius😂 👌
Let's not forget that the Flat Earth society has members all around the globe.
My question for the flat-earth believers is this: please explain why is it summer in Argentina , while at the same time there is a snow storm in America (winter)? Explain time zones;
If the earth was flat, wouldn’t all weather and time be uniform all across the land? If the sun was above us and there is a dome, wouldn’t the sun’s light interact with the dome, reflecting light all around?
Oh god, he's one of ours (Canadian). We're so sorry.
Hey! I'm in New Brunswick. How did this flat earth dingus infiltrate my lovely province?!!
The scary thing is that these arrogant fools would probably also vote for narcissists like Trump.
I know, right?
not "probably", more like "certainly"
Why even interact with flat-earthers? Their refusal to acknowledge what modern man has known and shown for centuries is just stupid!
I laughed my head off at Jimmy Mann declaring that he's saying all this "out of love"!
I know him as the angry bloke who pops up on Phuket Word once or twice every month to (a) address Nick as his brother and tell him how right he is and how wicked the rest of the world is, and
(b) to find anyone who disagrees that Nick hasn't already blocked and respond to them with a "gET BaCK unDEr THe BRiDGe TRoLL!!!", and disapper until he's allowed back online.
It's always and invariably the same comment, and he's been doing this for YEARS! It's hysterically funny!
Something that would be really easy to do to show why FE observations don’t make sense is to use a CAD program like Fusion360 to line everything up on a perfectly on a flat plane at scaled heights and distances, then literally drop lines from view point to whatever Flatbrains are claiming and show how it does not line up correctly.
Can anyone explain to me why water can't bend? I mean it's a liquid that can conform to any shape right? Have these people never witness waves before? Also, they claim water is always level, why? Why is it always level? Well for starters, level doesn't equal flat. It's level because.....yep, you guessed it, GRAVITY!
That's the stupidity of flat earthers.
I suppose that in their mind, gravity is always pointing in the same direction, without curvature, therefore, water also is always flat.
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