Thanks for mentioning equipment in combo with horses! We've been called Luddites etc...but we also have an excavator (for digging as well as other suitable tasks) and a tractor with forks/bucket. We try to use the horses for everything they are suited for, but the machinery is indispensable.
We also deal extensively with crusted, deep snow. We generally avoid it with the horses, more out of concern they will cut their legs as they break through on the forward motion...the crust can be thick and when broken its razor sharp.
My grandfather would make his boys shovel the centre out of the trail when there was a heavy crust so the horses wouldn’t cut their legs. Not a job they enjoyed very much . Dad often told me about that when I was a kid. They also had to jump in the holes that the horse made to make them bigger so the horses wouldn’t break they’re legs going down steep hills.
I think a modification that would give you an advantage Jim would be to cut an arc into either side of the bucket. It wouldn’t have to be extreme by any means. Measure from the tooth side up to the pin side of the bucket, half the measurement, then go in about 2”, from there you could either arc it from corner to corner, or from the 2” mark go straight to the top corner, and from the 2” mark to the bottom corner. It would give you a small “V” for the log to get pinched in. As always great video, be safe. 👍✌️
Thanks Jim for telling us about how horses 🐎 work in the woods and showing us about the snow ❄️, shore was a few big trees 🌳 and logs there , keep up the good work Jim
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Hi, I am relatively new to you channel and enjoy it immensely. Fantastic to see the tradition of using horses is being maintained. However, I sometimes feel sad for the horses when they are pulling the logs. Right now I am watching them pull 3 very large logs. I know you have the utmost respect for your animals, perhaps reassurance to non experts like me, that the horses are not under pressure or strain would ease my mind. Patricia, Dublin 🇮🇪
Hi Patricia, this is Jim's wife Brenda. Yes, the horses pull big loads but they are well conditioned to do it. Jim doesn't ask them to pull more than they can.
I'm just curious, Jim: If your excavator craps out at a landing site, do you have to haul it to a mechanic's shop, or do you fix it on site yourself, or do you have a traveling mechanic come out to your landing to make repairs? Same question for your skidsters. I can see why you want to modify the "thumbs" on you excavator, I'd want to do the same if I were you. How do you move your excavator and skidster from logging site to logging site? God bless and protect Gordon Family Farm and all who dwell there. 🙏🙏
Hi Jim ,and Brenda. Jim so nice to be in the woods today with Bill and Ken. Jim, you got some nice size logs out today, great job. so nice to have horse and equipment power, at hand. GOD BLESS all of you, have a great weekend, ...Jim Nova Scotia, Canada..
Good afternoon Jim,great looking logs and l know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to hard snow.Very heavy going for you and the boys.All the very best dear friends.
These videos taken from behind the horses really shows the size differences between Ken and Buck. When Barron is teamed with Ken, he looks about as big as Buck but I'm sure he's not because of age and breed differences. They are beautiful just because they're God's most gorgeous creatures. I hope Lady is getting along alright and her leg has healed. I'm impatient to see the foal when born. Will it look more like mom or dad? Foals are so cute and sometimes quite mischievous.
It appears in the video you are shorting yourself on the board footage by not measuring at the true diameter of the small end. The logs look perfectly round but scalers generally measure twice and average the two. Do you calculate all you harvest and compare to what you are paid for? Curious how close those numbers would be. (From a forester in Georgia) Enjoy your videos!
A good days work hauling out 3400 board feet of wood today, Jim, Ken and Bill!!!👌 As Bill and Kenny were standing so nice and still while you loaded logs onto the sled, I got to thinking about Will's horses you worked with recently. Wonder if he's having better luck with his team standing still now? Hope you all have a good weekend, and I'll see you Monday!👋
Thank you Jim. That excavator sure can lift. That big log has enough lumber to make a small cabin. Ken and Bill pull that like It was nothing😦😊. That skoot is saving the season.
I find every video so educational and entertaing. Whether it is about the various equipment that you use and how it works, to harnesses and training, as well as fun times I love it all.
Nothing like a great team of honest horses. Great vid, horses doing it easy, although the sweat was popping out of them. Warmish day, winter coats, it happens.
I woke up thinking about the broken sled. Thought if the upper bunk surfaces were radiused slightly (dished out) that would encourage the logs to stay in the middle, about 1 inch or so down in the middle and maniscus curved up to the stake. Even if roughed in with the chainsaw, the log would not slide on that flat slippery timber so easily (ice on the log) and encourage the load to lean towarrds the middle. (Physics) Same thing with the bucket, if there were a slight curve on the excavator bucket where it meets the log, it would not squirt out so easily (radius vs. Straight line), and/or teeth or a dog to hold. Take the dirt bucket off and put a logging grapple on. But, I understand it all takes time and labor, machining resources. So you make due with the current situation which is ok. It helps that you are a smooth operator, better than most, I have seen that since the beginning. Some type of loading mechanism on or by the sled like the sawmill uses to load logs onto the mill would be slick. Ideas. ...Yes, Jim those 16 foot select logs are impressive. Sweet.. Nice push, sorry I was not there to set that chain on the bucket hook, I sold my Massey Ferguson backhoe but had the same bucket hook. 300, 325 310 m/n set up. Horses are doing great, so it seems. Thank you. You keep me thinking. Hello to Levi, I hope his mill is coming along. I like the winter, no bugs. Great video. Nice camera work. :-)
Some nice logs . Can you explain why they don't want to cut all the big ones? Some you take are starting to rot so the bigger ones around it should come down as well. When we cut a section all the bigger ones go and all the 6to 8 inch stay, that way they grow together and are ready to cut about the same time.
I get paid by the thousand board feet to cut it and skid it to the landing where the truck can pick it up. The school takes care of the trucking and the marketing.
similar snow conditions here in Central Ontario. 6 inches of nice soft stuff a few days ago really sweetened it up and buried some icy grades giving some footing again. bitter cold today logging some red oak.
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim In that same vein, as they continue to work together have you seen Ken tend to move faster or Bill to move slower to match pace?
I Google maps Benson N Y . Looks in the southern Adirondack Park (west of Saratoga Springs) Jim is logging in Northern Adirondack Park ( north of Saranac Lake ). You are Lucky person to have 76 acres in that area .Cheers
I have a silly question to ask...is there any difference in the hardness/firmness of the trees/logs when cutting between winter n summer?? Does the sap freeze?
The Inuit Eskimo people use the same commands to drive the dogs in the Iditarod which starts in one week. World wide universal commands. But yet every Teamster, their own style and approach. Feel. Some Teams are very vocal, some teams silent, they take on the personality of their Leader the Teamster, but often times there is a lead dog to find the wind swept trail in a storm critical, sometimes a pair of lead dogs up front, other times a single Lead dog harness configuration. Some similarities to horses, actually quite a few.
Beginning at 20:50 - the hoofbeats, the jingle of the chains, the rattle of the cart. All so relaxing......
Looks like Bill and Ken have settled down well. I am so impressed how they respond by voice command. Have a great week end everyone.
Thanks for mentioning equipment in combo with horses! We've been called Luddites etc...but we also have an excavator (for digging as well as other suitable tasks) and a tractor with forks/bucket. We try to use the horses for everything they are suited for, but the machinery is indispensable.
Amazed how your horses are so calm with all of that commotion!🐴😊❤
We also deal extensively with crusted, deep snow. We generally avoid it with the horses, more out of concern they will cut their legs as they break through on the forward motion...the crust can be thick and when broken its razor sharp.
My grandfather would make his boys shovel the centre out of the trail when there was a heavy crust so the horses wouldn’t cut their legs. Not a job they enjoyed very much . Dad often told me about that when I was a kid. They also had to jump in the holes that the horse made to make them bigger so the horses wouldn’t break they’re legs going down steep hills.
I cut my hands all over one spring morning, cross country skiing no gloves and tossed myself, thousand tiny cuts. Lesson learned.
Definitely get your exercise every day
I think a modification that would give you an advantage Jim would be to cut an arc into either side of the bucket. It wouldn’t have to be extreme by any means. Measure from the tooth side up to the pin side of the bucket, half the measurement, then go in about 2”, from there you could either arc it from corner to corner, or from the 2” mark go straight to the top corner, and from the 2” mark to the bottom corner. It would give you a small “V” for the log to get pinched in. As always great video, be safe. 👍✌️
Very nice video, hard work, and thanks for the extra nice solo 🙋♂️🐈🐈filming
Thanks Jim for telling us about how horses 🐎 work in the woods and showing us about the snow ❄️, shore was a few big trees 🌳 and logs there , keep up the good work Jim
Thank you for taking us to see you working with the horses! Good logging day!
Our pleasure!
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A skid loader and an excavator are probably the handiest equipment a farm can have.
The boys sure do a good job for you. And without Brenda today you are scrambling to do the logs and video.
Hi, I am relatively new to you channel and enjoy it immensely. Fantastic to see the tradition of using horses is being maintained. However, I sometimes feel sad for the horses when they are pulling the logs. Right now I am watching them pull 3 very large logs. I know you have the utmost respect for your animals, perhaps reassurance to non experts like me, that the horses are not under pressure or strain would ease my mind.
Patricia, Dublin 🇮🇪
Hi Patricia, this is Jim's wife Brenda. Yes, the horses pull big loads but they are well conditioned to do it. Jim doesn't ask them to pull more than they can.
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim Thanks Brenda, I very much enjoy your contribution also.
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I'm just curious, Jim: If your excavator craps out at a landing site, do you have to haul it to a mechanic's shop, or do you fix it on site yourself, or do you have a traveling mechanic come out to your landing to make repairs? Same question for your skidsters. I can see why you want to modify the "thumbs" on you excavator, I'd want to do the same if I were you. How do you move your excavator and skidster from logging site to logging site? God bless and protect Gordon Family Farm and all who dwell there. 🙏🙏
small break downs can be fixed there. I move the skid steer in my trailer, I have to hire the excavator moved.
Hi Jim ,and Brenda. Jim so nice to be in the woods today with Bill and Ken. Jim, you got some nice size logs out today, great job. so nice to have horse and equipment power, at hand. GOD BLESS all of you, have a great weekend, ...Jim Nova Scotia, Canada..
Some of those logs are so straight and clear. wow.
Great video Jim and Brenda really enjoyed very much horses are doing great congratulations
You had Buck, we had Dick when I was a boy on the farm (small), 1944-45. He was the greatest!!!!!
Good afternoon Jim,great looking logs and l know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to hard snow.Very heavy going for you and the boys.All the very best dear friends.
These videos taken from behind the horses really shows the size differences between Ken and Buck. When Barron is teamed with Ken, he looks about as big as Buck but I'm sure he's not because of age and breed differences. They are beautiful just because they're God's most gorgeous creatures. I hope Lady is getting along alright and her leg has healed. I'm impatient to see the foal when born. Will it look more like mom or dad? Foals are so cute and sometimes quite mischievous.
It appears in the video you are shorting yourself on the board footage by not measuring at the true diameter of the small end. The logs look perfectly round but scalers generally measure twice and average the two. Do you calculate all you harvest and compare to what you are paid for? Curious how close those numbers would be. (From a forester in Georgia) Enjoy your videos!
They really are nice logs good team work also
A good days work hauling out 3400 board feet of wood today, Jim, Ken and Bill!!!👌
As Bill and Kenny were standing so nice and still while you loaded logs onto the sled, I got to thinking about Will's horses you worked with recently. Wonder if he's having better luck with his team standing still now? Hope you all have a good weekend, and I'll see you Monday!👋
Beautiful straight logs Jim . 😊
awesome work Jim, amazed
at the power they have
Big diameter logs!! Thanks for taking us with you today. Bless you and the horses.
Thank you Jim. That excavator sure can lift. That big log has enough lumber to make a small cabin. Ken and Bill pull that like It was nothing😦😊. That skoot is saving the season.
I find every video so educational and entertaing. Whether it is about the various equipment that you use and how it works, to harnesses and training, as well as fun times I love it all.
Thanks, Jim!
Those two seem to be working so well together. Thanks Jim
They are
It is very hard work you do!
Enjoy your videos and Jim working the horses logging
Nice haul!
Very good job Jim but your house to a good job and I enjoy watching you so keep up the good work and I will keep watching god bless
One thing that concerns me, do the horses receive any leg injurys walking thru that brush?
Watch you guys all the time, how do I get to see Ashley’s new home videos?
Thick angus ribeye steak for Jim and extra scoop of grain for the boy's
Salut from Brunswick, Maine, US.
I enjoyed this video as always 💕🐎
Horses are definitely not lazy but, are very fast to stop when you tell them. Especially with full load of logs.
Could the horses pull the log sideways onto the sled? They seem more efficient!
yes they could, but not as fast and easy as the machines
damnnnnnn.....3400....you go guys..
Great production numbers Jim ,Ken an Bill have a day love from TEXAS
A lot of nice lumber for that days work
Thank you
Love seeing you figure the board feet you pulled out of the woods!!! Blessings
1000 board feet are about 2.4 cubic meters
Nothing like a great team of honest horses. Great vid, horses doing it easy, although the sweat was popping out of them. Warmish day, winter coats, it happens.
Thanks 👍
I woke up thinking about the broken sled. Thought if the upper bunk surfaces were radiused slightly (dished out) that would encourage the logs to stay in the middle, about 1 inch or so down in the middle and maniscus curved up to the stake. Even if roughed in with the chainsaw, the log would not slide on that flat slippery timber so easily (ice on the log) and encourage the load to lean towarrds the middle. (Physics) Same thing with the bucket, if there were a slight curve on the excavator bucket where it meets the log, it would not squirt out so easily (radius vs. Straight line), and/or teeth or a dog to hold. Take the dirt bucket off and put a logging grapple on. But, I understand it all takes time and labor, machining resources. So you make due with the current situation which is ok. It helps that you are a smooth operator, better than most, I have seen that since the beginning. Some type of loading mechanism on or by the sled like the sawmill uses to load logs onto the mill would be slick. Ideas. ...Yes, Jim those 16 foot select logs are impressive. Sweet..
Nice push, sorry I was not there to set that chain on the bucket hook, I sold my Massey Ferguson backhoe but had the same bucket hook. 300, 325 310 m/n set up. Horses are doing great, so it seems.
Thank you. You keep me thinking.
Hello to Levi, I hope his mill is coming along. I like the winter, no bugs. Great video. Nice camera work. :-)
good ideas John
Thanks, m/n correction 304 Massey with a 325 hoe, 300 front bucket.
Beast..
Jim How about making skids to roll on to the log sled
Really enjoy your videos.
Thanks Brenda for the videography.
You are so welcome!
Some nice logs . Can you explain why they don't want to cut all the big ones? Some you take are starting to rot so the bigger ones around it should come down as well. When we cut a section all the bigger ones go and all the 6to 8 inch stay, that way they grow together and are ready to cut about the same time.
That's for the forester to answer, I hope to have him on a video soon.
Jim, you must sleep really well at night. I'm tired just watching you.
ik denk dat als je bij de zware boomstam de eerste beweging doet met de bak je met de schop van de kraan die er zo kan op duwen
Does the mill tell you what length logs they want?? Good looking logs
yes, they want as many 16 footers as possible.
JIM YOU ARE A CRAFTSMAN. I can't imagine how you were at 30
Good video Jim, that scoot is working good for you
Yes it does
How are you paid ,for cutting and landing. The logs
I get paid by the thousand board feet to cut it and skid it to the landing where the truck can pick it up. The school takes care of the trucking and the marketing.
Pulls so much easier on those sleds
That pile of wood looks good for a days work
similar snow conditions here in Central Ontario. 6 inches of nice soft stuff a few days ago really sweetened it up and buried some icy grades giving some footing again. bitter cold today logging some red oak.
Yes that layer of ice we got too, it going to produce some bad avalanche slides in March in the Mountains.
Alaska
Why don’t you put a log grapple on your escavator
Yeah, that would be nice
That's a lot of board feet Jim for one day !! Certainly work up a sweat with that load !!
How old are those big logs?
I don't know
You get off and on that excavator 10 times for every big log you are going to be an "Old Man" quickly.
Really enjoy watching the horses work together in the logging videos. Is Ken and Bill's relationship getting better since they have been teamed up?
Yes they are
@@WorkingHorsesWithJim In that same vein, as they continue to work together have you seen Ken tend to move faster or Bill to move slower to match pace?
How far away are you from Benson NY also located in the Adirondack mountains. Have 76 acres up that way
I'm not sure where Benson is, we are an hour north of Lake Placid.
I Google maps Benson N Y . Looks in the southern Adirondack Park (west of Saratoga Springs) Jim is logging in Northern Adirondack Park ( north of Saranac Lake ). You are Lucky person to have 76 acres in that area .Cheers
I was curious how much does it pay to do this
I'm happy with my pay.
Better than here in Holland, Michigan had 2 inches of ice yesterday and snow today.
I’ve noticed the logging cart has tractor steer tires. Is that just chance, or do they have a benefit in the woods? Nice video!
I always ran regular tires on my cart until recently, I find I like these a lot, I feel I can steer the cart better.
There is a reason it is called breaking a trail
That young stallion he is training could well prove to be spectacular.
Why does the collage want to cut down these trees is it for income? Lyle
For income yes, but also stewardship of the land
When a tree reaches maturity it starts to decline/decay. Does the college plant trees or naturally let them sprout and grow?
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Как там волки общается с конями в лесу на работе.
👍💪👍💪🙂
can you weld some of the horseshoe points ( forgot the name)to limit slipping on ice to the thumb as gripper teeth?
something like that
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I have a silly question to ask...is there any difference in the hardness/firmness of the trees/logs when cutting between winter n summer?? Does the sap freeze?
Yes there is a large difference, in the winter the logs are frozen and very hard.
I know you use Amish commands but can you explain your commands one video or do you have one that explains them. I get most of them but not them all.
The Inuit Eskimo people use the same commands to drive the dogs in the Iditarod which starts in one week. World wide universal commands.
But yet every Teamster, their own style and approach. Feel. Some Teams are very vocal, some teams silent, they take on the personality of their Leader the Teamster, but often times there is a lead dog to find the wind swept trail in a storm critical, sometimes a pair of lead dogs up front, other times a single Lead dog harness configuration. Some similarities to horses, actually quite a few.
Thomas No Amish commands being used .English . Careful step ,forward Gee and Haw ,for left and right Whoe for stop and Back for Back . Cheers
Now if you can just train your equipment, to be controlled by voice command! Y'all stay safe!
yeah, I wish
Bring BARON along and drive 3 abreast good what for him to learn and easier pulling
he is not ready for that yet.