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- People love to argue over the use of gloves in the blacksmith shop. More experienced blacksmiths tend to be very selective about the use of gloves. Today I offer my thoughts on when I do or don't where gloves as well as the glove I prefer in those situations. As always, you safety is your responsibility and you must make you own informed choice on the matter.
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I have an uncle that was a master with a metal lathe. He knew better than to wear gloves at the lathe, but one day, he thought he only had to do a little filing. That little bit of filing turned into a lost ring finger when the chuck grabbed his glove. I am a saw filer at a sawmill. I work around spinning machines all day. I've had people tell me to put gloves on when I'm dressing grinding wheels. I remind them that the same door that let them into my shop will let them out.
When I was going to CNC machinist school, the shop instructor took delight in showing us images of people who thought they should wear gloves while running a mill or a lathe.
Something worth mentioning, when I am asked about glove safety when smithing my first rule is keep your gloves dry. Wet gloves and hot material means steam burns.
I'm 74 and never wore gloves until about 5 years ago, but the old skin is wearing thin these days so I'll put them on doing rough work. Still, they diminish dexterity and it is a pain to taking them off and putting them on again when doing things that require more control. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
One of the best descriptions of when and where to use gloves I've seen. Thanks.
Great video John! As someone who’s been a welder, a machinist, a well driller, and who has done countless other trades over the decades, there are two truths that seem to always hold true. The first one is “Gloves, you can’t work with them, and you can’t work without them.” There is a time, a place, and a reason for certain ones, and the same can be said for none. You summed that one up really well in this video. The other one, the one that so many people don’t understand, is that safety is relative. Back in the day, people used to walk the big steel beams while building skyscrapers. To those people, it was relatively safe, but you won’t ever see me doing that because I don’t feel that it’s safe for me to do. When it comes to safety, there is no one size fits all rule.
Being a fiddle player as well as a blacksmith (perhaps not the optimum combination of interests), I'm very careful about what I do with my hands. That said, I glove my left hand only when needing to hold stock directly that may get a little too warm for bare flesh. That glove is fairly stiff leather with the cuff cut off and split in such a way that I can shake it off my hand with a mere flick of the wrist..
Splitting a glove is a really good idea!! Never thought of that before
Agreed, working in steel mills I have always felt "safety professionals" who have never done any of the jobs make blanket rules which will get people hurt.
Great video! Another thing to consider is the slack tub. First, if you get that glove wet for any reason it will conduct and retain heat much worse and it's even harder to get off. Second, using the tub to keep tongs and the "cold" end of pieces cool can really help if you're working without gloves. I only wear gloves when absolutely needed.
I am about 4 months into blacksmithing, at the beginning I wore welders gloves on both hands. Mostly because I use a propane forge and its pretty hot. Now I only wear a welders glove on my tong hand to take materials out of the forge and hold long pieces of round stock. My other hand is either once of the cut resistant gloves or bare hand. I really does help with hammer control. With thick gloves I found that the hammer twisted and I had to hold tighter than with no glove!
Great job John, your years of experience have taught you well and you passed it on to others well. See read and heed the words folks , he knows what he is doing. Thanks for sharing . Fred.
This is a excellent compendium of advice John 👍👍😎 high finishing copper i.e polishing/buffing requires gloves 🧤 and a spinning wheel of death lol... if anyone wants to challenge me on that go ahead and try to hold a piece of copper while buffing... You'll get the worst burns you've ever had 😉
Alligator tape on fingers or strips of cardboard to hold a piece for polishing.
We used hot mill gloves in the smithshop. Our forges and furnaces were gas. We typically didn't use gloves while running parts on the power hammers. But occasionally would depending on the parts.
I'm right with you on the glove issue. I make my punches long so as to stay a bit above the rising heat or wear a left glove to dampen the heat a bit. But I have accuracy problems when wearing gloves and try to avoid them.
You spoke it very much the way I see it. I too have seen incidents where wearing a glove was the cause of an injury. Temperature is usually the reason I'd wear them...welding, heating bearings and interference fit projects...not to mention shoveling snow and such...other than that, nope...no gloves.
I was told by the older smiths in my town to never wear gloves around the forge. Simply because you'll wont be able to get it off fast enough if Something slips into them. If it hits your bare Hand it shure would be a hurtfull burn but it just touched you for a second... Not like half a Minute of it burning inside your flesh while you struggle to get a steaming hot glove of your hand.
Gloves can be great for some projects. Just have some caution and stay safe out there.
Great video John. This is a very touching subject. You answered this very well John. Can't wait to see Sunday's video. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge on. Fab on. Weld on. Keep making. God bless.
Nice job! You hit the nail on the head. Thanks.
I agree with you,proper PPE for the task at hand.
One glove for a chisel hand if the piece puts off too much heat (and I don't have chisel tongs). The "leather holds heat" reason is one I often give newer smiths to reduce the amount they wear gloves.
Saw this before and I agree with you 💯 👌
Love the mill gloves you also like.
Thank you for the teaching Sir
Years ago I was taught to use medium weight cotton gloves that were dunked in the water bucket. If the glove was sizzling then the steel was very hot. Used only on my material hand. Just dunk and repeat as needed.
John, one more danger of wearing gloves in a Blacksmith shop is if you are sweating in them and _then_ get them too hot. Instant steam on your hands, trapped in the too-hot glove! Also, some fear having slag and/or other small red-hot pieces falling into the open end of a glove, similar to wearing open-top (i.e., uncovered) boots and burning your foot because you can't get the boot off/cool it quickly enough.
I always wear borosilicate safety glasses, leather foundry gloves which also are used for our cast iron wood stove. I always keep spare pairs. Though I never wear gloves when hammering as you mentioned. I'll add that the gloves I use when welding won't shrink to my hands as they get hot. They are expensive, but worth it. We always keep a First Aid kit both at home and in our forge. Many thanks for your advice, John! 🌻
Great overview on gloves and I agree on all points. Just a couple of comments. Be mindful of glove size. Too big gets hung in equipment and too small keeps them on too long. Be mindful of condition. Don't wear damaged gloves. That hot piece of metal will find that tiny hole every time!
I Sort of wondered if you don’t build up some kind of a heat tolerance because you’re around hot. And a lot and now that you broke it down it does make sense thanks again
I work outdoors on tennis and basket ball and other courts,most of the year my number one hazard is heat stress.Many sites are run by minning or construction companies who require long pants and shirts to protect me from a "potential" future threat that might never hapen so I often have heat stress and dehydration that would be easily avoided if not for saftey sallies.
Great video. Absolutely sound practices and logical reasons for them.
Well, when you suggested thumbs up at the end, I couldn't help but think "...as long as you didn't get it wrapped up in a lathe..."
Sorry
Very good advice John , I worked with steel and machinery all my working life and only wore gloves when welding and still have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs . :)
excellent explanation...I see so many smiths insisting that they wear a glove on their hammer hand to protect them from blisters and I always think back to a safety talk I did years ago...never wear gloves for any swinging tool because it increases your need to grip and makes the tool less controlled ..so many accidents caused by gloved hands letting a tool loose across the room or work area (Ive seen Billhooks and axes flying across woodlands after they were let slip by a gloved hand)
Glad to see you showing some specialty gloves too! I find purpose designed gloves might be more expensive, but the comfort and lessened risk is worth it.
I tend to wear one on my tong hand when that hand is reaching for something in the forge. After the metal is on the anvil I may take it off. I cool the reigns in between hears, but the water will get pretty hot over time.
great video as always! i wear gloves to hold something warm or sharp that i will be working on for a long time. i know if i pick something up that’s hot bare handed i will very quickly drop it. the loss of dexterity and the sense of touch can be very difficult to overcome when wearing gloves during some activities so no gloves for them. my tong hand is always gloved but not my hammer hand. when i chisel hot steel i also use a glove on the hand holding the chisel. that will stop when i finish my tool holder
Thank you for this. I usually do gloved tong hand and bare hammer hand. I always wear gloves using the angle grinder. Nice to hear the more experienced people tell why they do things, so tha we all learn.
Great video! Good idees and info. Thank you Sir
Hello John
You are absolute right with your speech
Gloves are good to protect when you grab wood or metal to carry it or so .
Spinning wheels in every way dont wear gloves if you want that the fingers may stay at the Hand
Take care
Yours Frank Galetzka
I was always told if you working around something hot wear them and if you're working around something that's moving like a drill or a belt sander, don't
I'm a left hand glover. If I'm doing forge welding with flux spatter then I'll wear the right hand one too. I had hot flux burn a hole in my thumb, once. Better safe than sorry.
Great job John👌👌👍👍
Well said John.
Thank you!
I work on a factory and in my section i work with my hands and i need a LOT of accuracy or i can make a bad product and it can be my fault.
The globes limit my open-close hands and without touch the product is hard to find failures on for example a defectuous material. (something that happens often)
So i work without gloves so while im working if i notice a wrong surface on the product i can replace it instantly or take it off that part.
Something that normally is not seen visually.
EDIT: Im on a Textile Factory
I always wear a glove when my left hand is going to need to be close to read hot metal, like when i'm using a punch or touch mark. (someday i'm going to make something mechanical to hold it so i don't have to.)
👍👍👍👍👍👍All great advice.
I do a little bit of everything but mainly welding and besides when I'm actually welding I never wear gloves.
Some of my worst hand injuries were due to gloves or the wrong gloves for that job.
I had cheap orange nylon gloves on for the job I was doing then I was asked to hold somthing while it got welded.... Should have atleast taken the gloves OFF. A nice beefy chunk of molten slag fell about 5-10 ft and landed on the back of my hand sticking to the nylon fabric and melting it to my skin with what must have been 3rd degree burns, if I would have removed the glove the laten?frost effect would have prevented me from getting as serious of a burn.
As long as your not rushing and grabbing random metal you can usually sense the heat coming off of it before actually grabbing the material.
Great information 👍🤓
Glad it was helpful!
I do, and don't wear gloves depending upon the task. By the way, I'm left handed...
Absulutelly agree !!
for a good degree of dexterity i usually use a glove for tig welding on my right hand and then a nice heavy leather one on my left
I wet my hand when I go to grab a piece of bar stock. you will feel the sizzle as the water boils off, but it won't burn you.
I wear mechanix gloves since they're thin and don't affect my dexterity, but will still keep a glancing touch from burning my hand or cutting me, and help keep the blisters away. But I do have heat-resistant gloves for when things start to get hot in the shop! I'd just as soon not wear gloves, but these fit a nice balance for me.
I'm with you on the tighter synthetic gloves for grinding. I use them a lot for mechanic work, too. Diesel, gasoline and motor oil don't make a hamburger better, either. One thing I am bad about is forgetting to take off my ring when working with any of this stuff, particularly welding; I will usually notice a couple of operations in and remove it then. One nice thing about the synthetic gloves is that they fit tightly enough to remind me of my ring :) But generally, I avoid gloves for all the reasons you do. I bought a variety of mill gloves to try them out for various tasks and the fit is so varied that it's hard to make a choice. Most often, I will discover that I should have had a glove on for this particular task, generally involving heat, so the *2nd* time I do that operation, I'll have on whichever mill glove was on the top of the stack hehehe ===== The work environment matters, too. The worst incident I've had was using an angle grinder to cut something in a vise on my workbench. I had moved all my firearm reloading operations to another bench, but one forgotten primer tube with live primers in it was in a bin on the shelf above the workbench and a spark from the grinder found its way in. The tube was pointed, barrel-like, directly at my hands (yes, I had my safety glasses on), so I was showered with brass shrapnel. There was on particular piece of a primer that was embedded in my forearm, though it would be a day or two before I realized there was something in there. The real lesson is that especially in a small workspace where you may have to do a variety of tasks in the same area, you can't ignore things around you that may have nothing to do with the current task. Forced to do the same work in the same space, I now will just put up something to shield that shelf. There are no more primers there, but there is also no need to shower all those bins with dust from cutting and grinding operations.
Agree John, gloves can be a double edged sword! I use gloves very little, had a few cuts and abrasion’s but still have all my fingers!
Basically why I hate wearing gloves. Also, why I have issues wearing long sleeves and keep my shirt tucked in around equipment. I'd rather get cut then caught.
As with most of life, critical thinking skills FTW. Thanks for the great information for making better decisions in your shop.
totally agree, I don't wear gloves unless I have to, your skin gets tougher over time and stays attached to your hands.
I never wear gloves. I'm personally of the opinion that the risk of it getting caught on something isn't worth the plus of negating small nicks and cuts. And for the heat of the forge. Especially with gas's forges. I use a hook to get it a bit closer, turn of the gas (Les heat and it saves gas) or whet your hand the water keeps the heat of.
Same subject-different item___In Australia we can get Socks under the tradname "Tradie" from hardware stores (Bunnings). Do NOT use these if you are making sparks! I got one welding spark into my boot__normally it's "ouch" and its all over. Not with Tradies___ before I got the boot and sock off there was a 3/4" hole in the sock and it was still smoking! They are dangerous.
Thanks for the detailed review on gloves_ I only wear gloves when handling stock __ heat goes away, sharp stays.
What i do instead of the glove burnin me is basically play hot potato between either my other hand or i will change my finger holds which can be hard when it comes to your thumb but still helps
My glove regime is, one on the tongue hand when forging, two when electric welding, none on the grinder or lathe.
So I avoid gloves as much as possible, particularly when I use angle grinders (any spinning tool really), had a bad experience in A&E where they spend a lot of time trying to pull the fabric from the glove out of a cut from a 1mm slit disc, that disc would have cut me regardless of the glove being on or off and I have rather just been able to flush it out and bandage it then have a set of tweezers pulling out frayed fabric for 20 minutes, especially as it was down to the bone, the risk of an infection if any of that fabric had gotten left in there is just to much for me
Lonely is a man without gloves,,,,,,,,,if he’s comfortable with them on that is. It’s all a personal choice of course. A great and important video and I Thank You Kindly! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
It all comes down to the one thing that seems to be in such short supply these days... common sense.
Very awsome
I wear gloves basicly religiously, and I can say after you acclimate to "well-fitting" somewhat tight gloves, the dexterity is absolutely the same as bear hand for hammer work. If they are loose and you have room in the fingers/ poor-fitting, yeah your not going to have a good time, in that case better to go bear hand.
Make the effort to get the right size and then even Alter with sewing or hot washing to make them well-fitted gloves. Then keep extra, cheap gloves for rough work that will tear them up (like the leather gauntlet ones in the video).
I use gloves because I like to, but they aren't required I am also learning that.
Wearing a Black Bear Forge t-shirt should be considered PPE too. With or without the gloves.
I do sometimes. I got a high heat resistance pair for detail work. They have velcro to hold em tight to my arm to stop stuff coming in.
Rings can be a danger too. At the foundry I worked They didn't want people to even wear a wedding band. If something super heavy fell on your hands, it can and will take of the digits.
I stopped wearing a wedding ring as a firefighter after seeing someone catch his ring as he stepped off the engine, Stripped the flesh right off his finger
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Gloves do have a time and place!
Sometimes fingerless gloves are a happy medium!
Ultimately... Safety first!
Wear gloves on left hand only. (the non hammer hand)
if you think a glove is a safety hazard, you are wearing the wrong type of glove.
I wear gloves all the time using my lathe and mill - thin nitrile gloves.
Blacksmithing I often wear gloves, particularly my tong hand, usually riggers gloves or a kevlar glove if using a hand held punch or chisel.
Angle grinder always riggers gloves.
Just select the appropriate type of glove for the task.
If it rotates no gloves drill press, grinders,lathes will all grab gloves.
Grandpa taught me that gloves are only good for "pissing your pants". Can I say that here?
I use cotton gloves
I always wear gloves.
My son (6) is left handed and he`s already in the shop with me... so 90% of his inheritance will be right handed gloves from his old man. ;)
Nothing against most of you. Being a beginner, I wear gloves while forging. I am terrible at judging what is hot and what is not. I have had a few experiences when the leather glove got hot and made the burn worst. But I am still wearing them, because that is what makes me more comfortable.
Unfortunately in this day and age in the building/fabrication industry the health and safety morons are everywhere and it’s drummed into your head that you have to do all of this crap just to cover there butts from lawsuits
My preference is to wear gloves whenever possible and not to wear them whenever impossible.
I occasionally wear a glove on my tong hand, almost never on my hammer hand. Being a mechanical engineer in real life and being experienced with heat transfer, I consider gloves to be insulation. The heat transfer from hot material to your flesh is slowed by the "insulation" giving you a warning and time to remove the glove. Grab hot metal with a bare hand you will be burned. I have never suffered a burn when wearing a glove. But to each his own; believe what you want, do what you want. It doesn't hurt me.
The main takeaway is to use your brain.
Anyone that criticizes your decision to do it your way should be ignored. To each his own. Sometimes gloves make sense and sometimes they don’t. 🪨🔥🔨