Flying is dangerous. Walking through your house is dangerous. You could even roll off your sofa. I passed my pilots licence in 2010 in the R22 Robinson helicopters are well designed and fly well. They are fitted with engines with more power than necessary to reduce the risk of engine failures. Like anything else if you look after them and don't do anything silly they are as safe as any other aircraft. Most of the accidents are due to human error rather than the machine itself. The training for pilots focuses on how to avoid the classic problems as well as how to identify and recover. I attended the Robinson safety course where they analyse past problems and go through the pilots manual in depth. But you must always remember that flying is inherently dangerous.
2:32 all other listed helis have 3-bladed rotors. 2 bladed rotor is not THAT safe when compared to 3-bladed. Stability, intertia, low G pushover etc. This video is very smart, but I think (as a passive observer) that it's one of the factors.
I am a Robinson pilot and owner. You are absolutely correct: the most dangerous component of any aircraft is the nut behind the controls. You did a great job of capturing the demographic issues that contribute to the accident rate. You fail to explore the fact that there are more Robinson helicopters built and flying than any other civil type, and that therefore their are a very large number of Robinson flight hours being logged per year compared to other types. That also contributes greatly to the number of accidents. You only presented raw accident numbers, not accident rates, and that is very misleading. You also fail to address the demographic roots of the "Robbie hate" that exists in the industry. Most of that comes from retired military helicopter pilots who have never spent a single minute in a piston powered helicopter. Nearly all helicopter pilots coming up a civilian training track have learned in, and later worked in, Robinson products for the first couple of hundred hours before they get a chance to fly larger, heavier, turbine powered helicopters.
Very much true. Not owner, not like, not hate, but agree in 100%. Robinson is not the easiest helicopter in the world, especially R22, but... if you can't fly - you will surely cry.
My chopper training was in a R-22, then I transitioned to other helicopters, no matter the brand and model always practice emergencies, be proficient and confortable doing auto rotations.
Why not compare like with like statistics? That is, Robinsons with other helicopters, not Robinsons with light fixed wing. The circumstances of failure will be vastly different between rotary and fixed wing. Your argument is dubious and not supportable. Statistics that focus on machine failure (not operator error) would be the obvious way to analyse this.
Instead of looking at total crashes you should look at crashes as a pct of total airframes and crashes per flight hour. That will tell you a lot more about the comparative safety.
Your comment about removing the pilot is missing one very important point in my opinion...flying is fun! There is certainly a place for automation and in some cases full autonomy, but there is also a place for the pilot who simply wants to fly. Same as autonomous automobiles. Automation and manual control can live side-by-side.
The causality between pilot skills and the platform they use is actually not as straight forward as you tried to depict, for the simple reason that professional pilots also tend to fly much more complex and in it self dangerous machines, which if in the hand of hobby or students would incure into even higher loss rate. Eventually the analysis is not if the Robinson is a dangerous helicopter, but if it is a dangerous helicopter for students and hobby pilots, compared to other platforms. Personally, friends and acquaintances have been involved in 3 Robinson accidents all of which had a respective death in their accidents, but don;t know anyone who has crashed in a JR205, EC135, EC350 or MD900, but then again, 99.9% of people fly some type of Robinson so .... This also then bags the question, do more experienced pilots stay away from the Robinson family; I know a couple of pilots that say they'd rather not fly ever again than fly a Robinson, and we are talking about people who have been flying over 20 years private and professionally.
Some say there are no old / very experienced bold pilots, because they learned from their mistakes or died. Don’t get me wrong I have always wanted to be a pilot and especially a helicopter 🚁 pilot. It’s all about the lack of money.
Tell me you know nothing about helicopters without telling me you know nothing about helicopters. Inertia is only transitory - In a Robinson I can get back Rotor RPM where a heavier bladed helicopter will have issues. Steady state autorotation is aerodynamic , after the flare inertia comes into play as you add collective to finish the landing - If you do the auto right you don't even need collective most the time on the bottom end, The Hughes 300 is more demanding
Flying is dangerous. Walking through your house is dangerous. You could even roll off your sofa.
I passed my pilots licence in 2010 in the R22
Robinson helicopters are well designed and fly well.
They are fitted with engines with more power than necessary to reduce the risk of engine failures.
Like anything else if you look after them and don't do anything silly they are as safe as any other aircraft.
Most of the accidents are due to human error rather than the machine itself.
The training for pilots focuses on how to avoid the classic problems as well as how to identify and recover. I attended the Robinson safety course where they analyse past problems and go through the pilots manual in depth.
But you must always remember that flying is inherently dangerous.
True!
Much rather walk than get in a robinson
If they were fitted with a three or four bladed rotor system, they'd be much safer. No more mast bumping or rotor blades hitting the tail boom.
Droop stop pounding and cutting off the tail are still hazards in helicopters
2:32 all other listed helis have 3-bladed rotors. 2 bladed rotor is not THAT safe when compared to 3-bladed. Stability, intertia, low G pushover etc. This video is very smart, but I think (as a passive observer) that it's one of the factors.
I am a Robinson pilot and owner. You are absolutely correct: the most dangerous component of any aircraft is the nut behind the controls. You did a great job of capturing the demographic issues that contribute to the accident rate. You fail to explore the fact that there are more Robinson helicopters built and flying than any other civil type, and that therefore their are a very large number of Robinson flight hours being logged per year compared to other types. That also contributes greatly to the number of accidents. You only presented raw accident numbers, not accident rates, and that is very misleading. You also fail to address the demographic roots of the "Robbie hate" that exists in the industry. Most of that comes from retired military helicopter pilots who have never spent a single minute in a piston powered helicopter. Nearly all helicopter pilots coming up a civilian training track have learned in, and later worked in, Robinson products for the first couple of hundred hours before they get a chance to fly larger, heavier, turbine powered helicopters.
Very much true. Not owner, not like, not hate, but agree in 100%. Robinson is not the easiest helicopter in the world, especially R22, but... if you can't fly - you will surely cry.
My chopper training was in a R-22, then I transitioned to other helicopters, no matter the brand and model always practice emergencies, be proficient and confortable doing auto rotations.
Yes, it is.
,...but I still love flying the little guy. 😎
R22s are safe machines if handled within its limit
Why not compare like with like statistics? That is, Robinsons with other helicopters, not Robinsons with light fixed wing. The circumstances of failure will be vastly different between rotary and fixed wing. Your argument is dubious and not supportable. Statistics that focus on machine failure (not operator error) would be the obvious way to analyse this.
Instead of looking at total crashes you should look at crashes as a pct of total airframes and crashes per flight hour. That will tell you a lot more about the comparative safety.
Your comment about removing the pilot is missing one very important point in my opinion...flying is fun! There is certainly a place for automation and in some cases full autonomy, but there is also a place for the pilot who simply wants to fly. Same as autonomous automobiles. Automation and manual control can live side-by-side.
The causality between pilot skills and the platform they use is actually not as straight forward as you tried to depict, for the simple reason that professional pilots also tend to fly much more complex and in it self dangerous machines, which if in the hand of hobby or students would incure into even higher loss rate.
Eventually the analysis is not if the Robinson is a dangerous helicopter, but if it is a dangerous helicopter for students and hobby pilots, compared to other platforms.
Personally, friends and acquaintances have been involved in 3 Robinson accidents all of which had a respective death in their accidents, but don;t know anyone who has crashed in a JR205, EC135, EC350 or MD900, but then again, 99.9% of people fly some type of Robinson so ....
This also then bags the question, do more experienced pilots stay away from the Robinson family; I know a couple of pilots that say they'd rather not fly ever again than fly a Robinson, and we are talking about people who have been flying over 20 years private and professionally.
All helicopters will kill you, 45+ years on all types. Know just as many dead with Bell, Hughes Airbus Sikorsky machines as the R-22.
I like Robinson but I have afraid of it because is like is ha is have many eccidants
Some say there are no old / very experienced bold pilots, because they learned from their mistakes or died.
Don’t get me wrong I have always wanted to be a pilot and especially a helicopter 🚁 pilot.
It’s all about the lack of money.
Tell me you know nothing about helicopters without telling me you know nothing about helicopters.
Inertia is only transitory - In a Robinson I can get back Rotor RPM where a heavier bladed helicopter will have issues.
Steady state autorotation is aerodynamic , after the flare inertia comes into play as you add collective to finish the landing - If you do the auto right you don't even need collective most the time on the bottom end, The Hughes 300 is more demanding
Even R66 is very powerful but I don't believe on it.
But I like Robinson shape.is very smart
Engineering TV is paid for getting rid of pilots?
Robinson, the self destructing chopper.
lots of airplanes fail and are saved by pilot action
Only in the wrong hands
Yes and yes
2 new fatalities today Philippine Navy pilots
Which helicopter isn't "dangerous". Bicycles are dangerous, too. Ergo, stupid question.
Lmao look at basic statistics. No helo’s are even close to the trash Robinson builds. Ergo stupid answer.
they crash on a regular bases and i’m surprised they are even allowed to fly.
@@topofthegreen personal experience in one. Garbage fucking company is untouchable. Trash av lawyers won’t go after them
@NIGHTMARERICA I want to buy one but ,is there any other you recommend instead??
@@NIGHTMARERICA Try again Skippy. Know more dead in Bell, Hughes AirBus and Sikorsky machines,
Ergo you have your own answer
Well that was crap.
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