Coup De Grâce Overview, Mags, Bolt Handles, and Conical Breech
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Ted describes what sets the Coup De Grâce bolt action apart from other American Rifle Company actions.
Topics include:
AIAW and AICS (AI) mag compatibility
Pivoting and non-pivoting bolt handle
Conical breech of the barrel
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Ted is clearly a very high caliber of mechanical engineering nerd. His lack of polish as a presenter is actually a good thing, because we can see that he loves to solve engineering problems, and cares deeply about his product rather than his image on video. This inspires my trust in his products far more than a slicker, more "professional" looking video would. You can see the care, integrity, and attention to detail.
Thanks for the kind words. A good product makes an unedited video much easier simply because I can talk about stuff that actually offers a substantive benefit.
Ted
??? This is clearly designed by somebody who does not shoot. A pivoting handle is the most gimmicky shit ever, and it causes problems with one of the most popular triggers. Instead of designing an action to work for the shooter's needs, this is an action where you have to compromise for the action.
Not only that, but one look at the knobs and you can tell they have no idea what they are doing. Nobody manipulates the knobs of a bolt gun like that. There is a reason people go with the round knobs or the tapered cylindrical. This poorly designed knob will only get in the way.
Only coup de grace here will be towards the company itself.
@@AmericanRifleCompany hey I'm considering the Coup De Grâce in .588" for 37XC build. would the action be long enough for that cartridge. I prefer the Coup De Grâce because of the pivoting ability, of course. I'm really hoping I can use this action. the 37xc has .580” bolt head & Total case overall length is 3.087” (.415” longer than a 338 Lapua and slightly longer than a Cheytac case).thanks
@@StuninRubyou sound like dumb and probably don’t even shoot well. Go back to watching your sniper movies and make believe.
you should try his stuff. I have mausingfield and have a cdg on order, plus I have some other of his products. best in the industry.
Love the presentation on why you prefer the "AW" magazine. It makes sense that they have less friction and higher capacity because they are a true double stack.
Ted, you are one of the only new generation American gun designers out there. Truly. With that said…. Will you ever produce ARC magazines again??
-Isaac
Maybe. Mags can be a headache. Guys had a love-hate relationship with the mag we introduced. When they worked, they we awesome. When they didn't, well, they didn't.
Ted
Brilliant innovation, ingenuity, and designs you have Ted. Great business model as well. Passion in product and grassroots communication with your consumers is very rare these days. Keep on doing what you're doing. We love it!
would SOMEONE please get this man a Nobel
My Masterpiece Arms BA PMR PRO v2 came with the Coupe de Grace' action! Absolute work of art. Fit, finish, sexy lines, fluted bolt, and as smooth as glass. Its got a look & feel like no other action. Perfection in every way. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the kind words. I've recently started running one of my CDG rifles with a shorter bolt handle, 10mm shorter. That's quite a bit. I like it better than the longer handle that we have been selling thus far. That's just personal preference but if I like it, some others will as well. Look for them on our website soon and consider trying one. Thanks again.
Being new to all this bolt action stuff, this type of video is invaluable to me. There are so many actions, and i really don't understand what makes them different. But this video is helping me start to understand. Thank you very much.
I pre ordered my 300 Norma in Canada and I’m excited.
Caylen recommended this action and got me excited for it thank you. ( will wait patiently)
how did you do that? website says they're not available for back order?
@@thatguy5358 preordered at a place called gobigtactical in Canada. ( when they had the preorders open for a certain period and amount).
Im truly impressed with the level of thought that went into this action. Great job!!!
I like this guy. He is an small enterpriser and he does the best effort to step forward. Always trying something, a magic, a trick, I don't know. I want to purchase a Ritter and Stark, but when i see his work I don't know if going to purchase the rifle or his product because it is good or has moved my heart because his resilience to step a little more in the life. Really I'm confused.
Allow me help you see things clearly. Good engineers to more with less. Not only is the Coup De Grâce among the simplest bolt action on the market, it is also the most functionally rich.
Ted
@@AmericanRifleCompany ok you convinced my heart. You have an email. But it is going to take time.
ordered this SA and a target prs style stock. its great to buy american products that really do have the best features possible.
yes AW mags are that good, worth redesigning a mag and an action, which is why AI did it in the first place.
i literally couldnt have dreamed up a sweeter action if i knew how! jeez that price is going to hurt a lot of companies in the industry! new standard product. instead of the R700 pattern, we may call it the CDG pattern in 50 years.
Thank you. Informative as always, with quality explication and explanation.
Can't wait to get one!
Pre ordered mine. I'm super excited to build off this action.
Awesome work. Eagerly awaiting my CDG. Have some feelers out for the AIAW mags.
Nice work, I’m going to preorder one!
I’m trying to make up my mind on options. Does the fluting connect to the magazine in a way that would let more debris into the magazine than a non-fluted bolt?
Take my money. Good job.
Just ordered a MPA pro in left hand 3 months eta cant wait!
Can’t wait to get one
I would rather someone passionate about what they are doing then a good salesman for something they don’t believe in. I’m gonna buy me one of these and see how it goes 👍
Nice work! We love it!
I would like to know the materials used for the bolt and the receiver. I looked/searched and only found a reference to alloy. Please add to website description. Thanks.
Sometimes I disclose materials, and sometimes I don't. Suffice it to say that the receiver is a DLC coated non-stainless alloy and the bolt heads are a 400 series stainless, with the exception of the 535 bolt head which has recently been changed to a DLC coated non-stainless alloy.
Ted
I'm trying to figure out if the Faxon 8.6 barrel I ordered would work. Because this presentation pretty well solidified the fact I want this action. Partially because the faxon actions won't even work with their Remage barrels. I'll also be getting the M-Brace mount.
cant wait till i get one of those action in 300 prc
I would like that red/silver chassis in the video
I use Triggertech diamond triggers for my rifles and I'm trying to understand how the pivoting handle could damage the trigger.... Is it because, when you run the bolt forward, the cocking piece will meet the top sear of the trigger first, instead of the fixed handle meeting the extracting cam? Hope I'm clear!
In that case, we should run the bolt smoothly or buy the fixed handle!
Thanks!
I'm on the waiting list at Go big tactical in Canada
Great work Ted!
You're exactly correct. You can certainly try running the Diamond but we have experienced problems with those in our Archimedes action and with normal Rem 700 rifles as well when cycling the bolt aggressively. Thanks for the approval. All the best...
Ted
Are you able to comment on long and short action compatibility? I'm building a rifle around an action that can handle .308 Win and 300 Win Mag with the purchase of a second bolt (and thus, different sized bolt face). Based on the chart on the ARC website, it appears my options would be a short action with 300 WSM as a substitution for 300 Win Mag OR a long action, substituting, say, 30-06 for .308.
If possible, please let me know if I have this straight or need to email the ARC team for clarification. Much appreciated.
BTW, great video, excellent overview of the value ARC is offering.
Sounds like you have this straight. That said, please consider if you will really switch from one caliber to another. Getting a rifle set up and shooting well only to disassemble and reassemble as something else is rather annoying. For what's its worth, pick one cartridge, shoot it often, and get good at it. Or you can just build a second rifle. Enjoy...
Ted
If I had the money I would have this chilling in my cart
Brilliant!
interesting action. good honest explanation. gotta say Im thinking about trying a CDG. I want to build a shorty .308 or 6.5 💪🏽
It's a no brainer. Best action available at any price.
Ted
@AmericanRifleCompany Ted, hello. Can you confirm that the correct AIAW mag for .308/6.5CM is the AI part number 0726?
I've ordered a CDG for my Xylo, found the AIAW 0726 mags online, and just want to confirm. Thanks.
Is there any reason yall didn’t flute the entire bolt? I was under the impression that a fluted bolt was smoother and lighter, but it seems yall only done it for aesthetics. Just curious
Fluting the bolt does reduce weight which reduces the forces resulting from the impact of the bolt assembly against the bolt stop. Generally, fluting does not make the bolt cycle smoother because edges of the flutes can interact with the edges of the receiver and this interaction can be felt by the shooter. Because of that, we limited the flutes to areas that would not adversely interact with the receiver. We also fluted the bolt because aesthetics matter to many shooters, although they don't matter to me. I'm more of a form follows function kinda guy but I design the actions for my customers, not for me. All that said, we do offer a non-fluted option for those who prefer that.
Thanks for the interest.
Ted
Any news when these will be shipping? Can’t wait!!!
I really want to build a bolt action rifle starting with this receiver. However, I need a barrel with a conical breach for 7mm-08 if I understand correctly. Finding a prefit barrel with the conical breach is a show stopper at this point. (Yes, a great gunsmith could cut the breach correctly on a lathe but that is neither feasible nor interesting to me.)
Why the CDG? Controlled round feed, manual ejection, shorter bolt throw, more compact magazines, and the leveraged extraction.
Please make more videos
I will literally pay double retail to get my hands on an AIAW mag to finish my ARC build
It will run fine with AICS mags. AWs are better but AICS are okay too.
How does the 2 stage triggertech diamond work with the pivoting handle? Same sensitivity as the single stage?
We've actually been running one and haven't had an issue with it. But that's a data point point of exactly one and therefore not worth much.
Ted
Looking at putting this in a MDT ORYX chassis, which has a AICS magwell, will the same mag height and rough feeding issues still apply?
Ted could this action be used in benchrest if it had a solid bottom or an insert.
Of course it could and we can easily make a few batches with solid bottoms, that is without mag wells. Call in an order and make the request. We'll get it done.
I'm sure this is a nice action. What really pisses me off is the fact that ARC has pretty much dropped ALL support for the other actions. I have 2 Nucleus Gen 2s, one less than a year old, and need new bolt heads for different cartridges. Can't get any. This forces me to look elsewhere for an action the company I choose to go with will actually support. I could buy the Coup De Grace, especially if I plan to find a different action to replace these nucleus gen 2s. However, I will not be forced to buy the Coup De Grace because ARC decided to forget about the other actions in it's lineup. It would be my luck ARC will drop support for the Coup De Grace in less than a year also and then I'm really screwed. Never again ARC, never again. I'll find a company that will actually support their products....
I understand your frustration. You are among a few people that want an additional bolt head for a Nuc. We will make more but our resources are in high demand at the moment. Please contact us directly. We might have something lying around that you can use until we make more.
Ted
I pre ordered one of these. Bartlein will be making the barrel. Do I need to tell them that they need to do a “conical breech”? It will be chambered in 6mm creedmoor.
Yes. Drawing can be found on our website.
I want one!!!!!
A lot of stock manufacturers don’t have this action specifically. Will it fit the inlet of other previous actions?
For the most part, it will work with stocks and chassis designed for the Remington 700 however, slight clearance cuts may be required to accommodate the trigger hanger. Chassis by American Rifle Company, MPA, and probably MDT are good to go.
Really wanting this 🤤😍
How do you measure the conical breach with the measuring ball!?
Is this better than a Winchester model 70 Extreme Weather?
I have a christensen arms mesa 300PRC in a Grayboe ridgeback stock, long action of course. I am wondering if I would have any trouble getting this action beded to this stock and removing that christensen arms. Anybody have any concrete evidence that it will fit? Or that it will not, for certain.
Sorry. I'm not familiar with the Christensen Rifle.
Hello ARC ? ANGELS
Ted will the action work with Hawkins bdl box magazines
I've only had one example to play with and a small modification to the bottom metal was necessary to avoid interference with the trigger hanger. We encountered that at Show Show and fixed it manually using a file. The mag was good to go.
Ted
@@AmericanRifleCompany thanks awesome to here I’ll be ordering tomorrow
Does the hawkins m5 bdl have any issues
I have a question, does the conical breach run the entire face of the barrel?
Nope. It's like a big countersink. Drawing can be found here: www.americanrifle.com/shop/coup-de-grace-bolt-action-1747#attr=491,494,495,519,512,522,514,516
Currently the website says the .588 combination does not exist. Will that be fixed for tomorrows launch?
We're making it available but with the following stipulation.
Please be advised that cartridges with 14.93mm (.588 in) diameter case heads, i.e. 338 Lapua Mag, will not be engaged by the extractor as they are released by the magazine feed lips. Instead, they will feed in a manner like that exhibited by push feed actions, especially if used with the fixed bolt handle.
We strongly recommend choosing the pivoting handle for use with the 588 bolt head for two reasons. First, large cartridges are more likely to get stuck in the chamber than small cartridges. And secondly, the cartridges will be extractable without the need to rotate the bolt closed.
At this time, we are not sure if the 588 bolt head and extractor can be designed to function exactly like the smaller variants. We will continue to explore this.
Ted
Was the pivoting bolt handle inspired by the NTW-20’s bolt handle?
Nope. Inspired by sticky cases.
@@AmericanRifleCompany fair enough! Creative coincidence then. The Denel NTW-20 also has a pivoting bolt handle to help pry out its massive cases.
What about the long action magazines.
Long actions are available and compatible with AI long action single stack CIP length (3.85 inches) magazines.
Can a conical breach be cut in a prefit with a barrel nut? Got my pre-order in at go big.
Barrel interface drawing will be released very soon. Just waiting to complete one more test.
Will this action work on mdt xrs chasis?
When will these start to ship? I see preorder, but I wouldn’t want to preorder and wait 8 months to get it.
You have four choices.
1. Pre-order and wait. That's likely the quickest way to get one.
2. Wait until we have these in stock.
3. Buy something else.
4. Don't buy anything.
That's the honest answer.
Ted
@@AmericanRifleCompany when are they being released though? You are taking preorders I get it, but there must be some sort of time frame.
@@SailTheSaddle We begin shipping the first actions in about seven weeks.
Ted
Does anyone have a promo code for this action?
What kind of safety swich is used on the arc action/bolt
None. Safety needs to control the trigger and as such, it should be part of that mechanism. Safety on the bolt assembly that blocks the firing pin can function as a trigger resulting in an accidental discharge if the trigger assembly is not in the set configuration when the safety is disengaged. I know, Mauser 98 had firing pin safety and million were produced. But Mauser 98 also had 4-5 mm of sear engagement and a heavy trigger spring, neither of which are present in modern triggers.
Ted
Can i use a savage small shank barrel with nut? Or would i need to get the breach conical cut?
Savage large shank (1.0625-20 UN 2A thread) with flat breach would work for magnums, such as 300 Win Mag, 300 PRC, etc. For 308 Win size case heads, such as 6 and 6.5 Creedmoor, conical breech is highly recommended. Instructions are here: www.americanrifle.com/web/content/145679
@AmericanRifleCompany thank you for the quick answer, it would actually be for a 300 prc. The website documentation says small shank? "Flat breech barrels should be used for cartridges having a case head of .532" or larger - this includes Savage small shank prefits"
@@AmericanRifleCompany Small shank 1.055"x20p
Large shank 1.120"X20P
@@johnsanford3043 I appreciate the sentiment but the thread callout that you're indicating is not correct. While it is true that measuring the OD of a 1.0625-20 UN 2A thread may result in a value of 1.055" which is within the OD tolerance for the 2A class, specifying the small shank thread at 1.055"x20p is incomplete as it specifies neither thread form nor tolerance. If one were to assume a Unified 60° thread form and a class 2A tolerance, the resulting thread would have an undersized pitch diameter as the 1.055" may be assumed to apply to a nominal OD and not the actual OD. Standards are important so that correct information is communicated.
The correct callout of the Savage small shank is 1.0625-20 UN 2A for the male thread and 1.0625-20 UN 2B for the female thread. I think it's okay to apply the tighter 3A and 3B tolerances if one is so inclined but the class 2 tolerance is more than adequate.
Will these be available as complete rifles?
Yes
What is that chassis model and where can I get it? Thank you
You can buy the Xylo chassis from American Rifle Company. www.americanrifle.com/shop/xylo-chassis-139#attr=301,228
@@AmericanRifleCompany I just bought the CDG does the chassis fit with CDG?
Yes
Will you guys be selling the magazine
Will the long action accept CIP length mags?
As currently designed, it will only accept CIP lengths.
Ted
@@AmericanRifleCompany thanks, hopefully I’ll be able to preorder the .588 bolt face tomorrow!
I have an action wrench for the Archimedes/Nucleus, can the same wrench work with the Coup De Grace action?
Nope. New wrench required. The Coup is a fat bolt.