Austin is a no. Rangers will claim that as territorial rights. Same with the Astros. They are not moving another team into Texas after the fight with the O's. Which is still going on by the way.
It makes zero sense to put another stadium in St. Pete,they seriously need to figure out their smartest move is moving the team to Orlando,the proposed stadium is going essentially walking distance from one of the biggest convention centers in the US,just how many more people will that bring in,all those conventions end at 4-6pm and then all those thousands of attendees have nothing to do,the theme parks dont close that late,Animal Kingdom and the Universal parks have closing times between 6-8pm,staying right there to watch a game is pretty appealing.Then the central location in the state will bring people from the east and west coast and metro Orlando population is growing at a staggering rate,seems so silly to commit the Rays to playing way out there past Tampa,just crossing the Skyway bridge is scary AF!!
It would still be a hard uphill battle, especially if they rebrand. The thing you fail to mention and/or realize is that those convention goers aren't as lucrative as you would think and neither are the local fans on either coast. Mostly because the vast majority of them aren't from Florida originally and those that are often have allegiances baked in from their parents or other familial ties. Best of luck, but that market isn't as sustainable as building a new stadium in Tampa proper would be.
@@classjacksonlawsuit Spring training games when the Braves were at Disney and generally in Florida are usually super popular and would always sell out.Orlando gets 74 million visitors a year and has a population just short of the Tampa metro,the Orlando Magic have no issues with attendance and get a lot of tourists at the games.Baseball has generally failed in Florida,The Rays constantly have good teams and nobody goes to the games,not moving them to Orlando would be a huge mistake.Maybe if baseball wasn't a summer sport all those snowbirds in the west coast of Florida would give it a chance but another stadium in St Pete,that's lunacy!!They wouldn't rebrand,they would just be the Orlando Rays!
I am an Utahn I wouldn't be opposed of them having a expansion team As Long as they are Not an bad team or the Athletics hell i know everyone and their momma want the A's to stay in Oakland Vegas is BS honestly they dont deserve a team that's bs
Austin would be a nightmare. I went there right before the pandemic and the infrastructure hasn't caught up with the population boom. I was stuck in traffic most of the time and can barely find a parking spot in the city. Also most of the people are relocated tech bros from silicon valley. They priced the original residents out.
When you look at Raleigh, you have to take Durham and Chapel Hill into account, which moves the metro population over 2 million. For Charlotte and Raleigh, you have to take into account the other large metro areas in the Carolinas like Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Greenville, Spartanburg, Fayetteville, and Columbia. The expanded market is up around 10 million, and that is a lot of potential fans. A team that isn't run like the Panthers should do well in that area.
I played Baseball Mogul years ago and expanded to 40 teams (which meant also meant 40 additional minor league teams I had to place). I did Vancouver, Portland, Salt Lake City, and San Antonio in the west. I did Cheyenne, WY, which was dumb, but they drew better than you'd think. After a few years I moved them to Omaha, and moved Portland to Las Vegas. San Antonio and Vancouver drew the best. A's had moved to San Jose. Rays DID move to Orlando and drew better in "Universal Field" (Universal Studios). In the east, I had Nashville, Charlotte, New Orleans, Buffalo, and Richmond. Richmond eventually moved to Columbus.
Nashville and give Vegas an expansion team, A's stay in Oakland and they take that waterfront project that the city approved. Bc A's fans deserve to keep them in Oakland
@jamesmcdonald9025 that's simply not true. They have it but they're done supporting their owner who doesn't invest in any way, whether it's in the front office, the field, the stadium. He's made the place a literal baseball hellscape. He doesn't give people a reason to want to go. I mean damn even the Rockies give their fans a reason to show up and they're trash almost every year
The A's gave up their San Jose territorial rights to the Giants when the Giants were working San Fran politicians to replace Candlestick but the Giants never gave the rights back. Then when the A's tried to build a stadium in San Jose years ago, the Giants vetoed it and Bud Selig backed the Giants. That's part of the reason we are where we're at with the A's situation.
Yes! They'd be building a stadium in an existing entertainment district - one that would get cleaned up with an MLB presence. I'd love to see it with a brick facede that looks like it's from the 1910s so it fits in with Ybor.
I think thought should be given to balancing out any future plans for REGIONAL LEAGUES. So one team in the South East and another in the West/Mountain region might make the most sense. So I say Charlotte and Salt Lake City ✌️
Orlando just needs to take the Rays from Tampa. Being a tourist hub you would have so many dads that would take their kids to the game when they go to visit Disney/Universal. People aren't driving another 1 1/2hrs to go over to St Pete to watch a game, definitely a local market. Nashville would be amazing as well.
Salt Lake City is about 1000ft lower than Denver. I know the Salt Lake Bees stadium has a pretty deep centerfield fence like the Rockies not sure how much 1000ft helps things like pitchers recovery though.
MLB needs to add 5-6 of these cities. Charlotte, Nashville, Austin, SLC would make great expansion city, Portand good, and Orlando only if they need to keep the numbers even. Maybe add two ASAP and two more 3 years later and two more 3 years after that.
SLC logistically is in a good location between Colorado, Arizona, and the teams on the west coast. Montreal needs the Expos. WE need the Expos. I don't think Columbus or Indianapolis will get a team because of the Reds.
Don't forget Columbus Clippers are AAA affiliate of Cleveland Guardians (formerly Indians which I'm old school) and here in Columbus, it's split between Reds and Guardians roughly, plus arguably Pirates and Cards. Indianapolis Indians are AAA affiliate of the Pirates. Nonetheless, agree on geographic reasons among other factors to not have one. Haven't even mentioned Detroit Tigers. Besides, there's been so much history that both Columbus & Indy each have in terms of AAA baseball. Think originally Columbus was the founding headquarters of AAA baseball with IL (International Leage).
Hypothetically speaking, I wonder what would happen if Vegas goes ahead and says no to the A's and all of a sudden throw their name in a hat for expansion. Would Vegas still be a legit contender when weighed against the competitive possibilities as outlined in this video? I'd say their chances go from definitely to probably. I'm real afraid that if Vegas says no to the A's, they would likely to lose out on MLB altogether just like they did with MLS. And to add insult to that injury, they would still have all those MLB dot tv blackouts that could have been resolved. On the other hand, are TV markets still relevant in the age of cordcutting? I'm surprised no one has factored that in yet.
If Vegas leaves the MLB trying to find the As a new home last minute the MLB would be so pissed they would never consider Vegas again they'd give Oakland another teams or put another team in Canada before Vegas just to spite them
I don’t think it’s a matter of Vegas saying no to the A’s; it’s more of a matter of Fisher not being able to afford it, or Bally’s taking their own sweet time redeveloping the Tropicana site, or both. That, and maybe all parties realizing that a stadium just may not work on that site. I don’t think it would take much for MLB to approve the A’s moving to SLC, and letting Vegas get ready in their own time for an expansion team. Vegas wants MLB, just maybe not the A’s.
as a native Texan I would love for the central TX area (san antonio/austin) to get an expansion team... but I do not see that happening as that would take away from the astros and rangers market.
There's supposed plans to build a major baseball stadium in downtown San Antonio along with a new Spurs downtown arena to hopefully bring in a major league baseball team along with a rail train system that'll transport people to and from Austin to San Antonio so this can possibly happen. Central Texas is growing rapidly so they should add an MLB team in the area.
@@RisingPHX I know what you're talking but yeah district leaders/council people in SA are so behind times and stubborn. The mayor is all for it so I hope things change eventually.
I’m from Oregon and Portland could not be a worse place for an MLB team. The city is an absolute dump hole. The ballpark would have to be in Hillsboro or some other suburb and the traffic to and from those games during the week would be a huge mess. Putting a shiny new stadium in a crappy area would be a rough look.
They're thinking of building the stadium in Beaverton which isn't the worst but not the best but certainly better than the city of PDX itself. Hillsboro would be an option considering they already have the Hops minor league. Also would be an excuse to tear down that dump Hillsboro Stadium. 😂😂😂
San Jose is the best option because it’s in an excellent market! A lot of money here and very diverse! An hour away from San Francisco Giants! I live here and MLB dropped the ball when they didn’t overturn Giants territory rights in 2013 when San Jose had funding and available land for A’s! Dont get me wrong, Salt Lake is an excellent choice too
Everyone forgets about Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Hampton area with regards to metro areas. 37th largest, and a LOT of major league teams are smaller but have teams. The list above includes three areas that are smaller - Raleigh, Hartford, Salt Lake City. There was an NBA franchise there during the ABA years, and there has always been talk of NBA or MLB.
Don't the Nationals still hold the rights to the Expos? Everyone tells me The Texans can't be the Oilers because they Titans still hold the naming rights so I would think that would be the same here.
The Texans name came from the KC Chiefs ... The Chiefs were originally in Dallas and used the Texans name ... The reason the Houston Texans ain't the Houston Oilers is because the ownership doesn't care about being the Oilers ... The Washington Nationals didn't come up with their name either ... The Boston Red Stockings (Now Braves) were nicknamed the Nationals because they played in the National league while the Boston Americans (Now Red Sox) were called the Americans because they played in the American league interestingly the franchise now known as the Braves sold both the Red stockings name to the now Boston Red Sox and the Nationals name to the now Washington Nationals ... This has all happened before the Washington Nationals would just sell the Expo brand to a new franchise ... And not that it matters but the franchise now known as the Braves were the Boston Bees for a while the only reason I bring this up is because the video said more than one new franchise might like the Bees name
I think I would agree with you that SLC stands a shot at getting it but I disagree on if not them it being another team in Texas. I don't think the MLB would take a gamble on a team in San Antonio or ATX. The only chance I see is if they put a team in say El Paso or Albuquerque, NM and we don't see any big movements on getting teams there. I see Portland being the secondary option to SLC and it would make travel for the Mariners a little easier, especially if they put the new team in the AL or move Seattle to the NL.
The MLB needs to add some sort of salary floor and/or cap before they even think about expansion. Any new team will be at best mid-market by default and be at such a competitive disadvantage to the established big market teams. Existing mid and small market teams already struggle to compete with the current economics and they have decades if not over a century of existence. Unless the new owners are committed to spending long-term it will be a complete disaster.
It'll be SLC and Austin ... Getting more teams into those time zones to generate TV revenue will be the deciding factor the MLB has too many east coast teams and Nashville and Charlotte don't get the MLB new markets because the Braves already do really well taking the TN SC and NC markets even in North Florida the Braves are more popular than the Rays their not gonna make the mistake of challenging the Braves again
Nashville and Charlotte make the most sense. MLB should stop with trying to create geographical parity in expansion. One of the larger reasons they both are great candidates the because of the lack of teams in the SE. Nobody west outside of Vegas competes with either of those two cities.
Austin should get one imo. San antonio has a basketball team so its only fair austin gets baseball. Other than that, the second expansion city should either be nashville or charlotte.
@@RisingPHX I don't count the MLS as a "major league." The elite soccer competition is in Europe. The other north American leagues are the main elite competition of their sports
El Paso Chihuahuas stadium seats 14k, just add some seats. The El Paso, Las Cruces, Juarez market would kick legitimate butt. Day games against in El Paso would be a home team advantage. 2 dollar Bud lights and 4 dollar Patron tequila shots !!!!
The Braves may have to be unhappy because there are more people living in the major metro areas of the Carolinas(not just Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham)than in metro Atlanta. It will be hard for MLB to ignore a potential fan base of that size.
@@fishingthelist4017 Atlanta Metro population doubles Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham put together. Atlanta has the 9th biggest media market in the US. Plus most of the carolinas are braves fans
@@tannerjones6564 when you figure in the million plus in Greenville-Spartanburg, another million plus in Greensboro and Winston-Salem, and almost a million in Columbia, which are all nearby, the population base to draw from gets much larger.
"...MLB will put together an expansion committee." What a joke. What did the relocation committee do with the Oakland situation, or the blue ribbon committee before that?
Cities that are not getting expansion teams I wish people would stop brining up. 1. Portland, see downtown 2. Montreal... See exchange rate.... 3. Austin.... see Rangers and Astros... All three of those cities are going to be a no for a number of reasons. Most likely MLB is going to expand in the south ie Nashville and some other city.
How many times do I have to recite this for simpleminded:? The governments of Montreal, Nashville and Charlotte are all pledged to NO PUBLIC MONEY FOR A MLB STADIUM. Zero, nada, diddly squat. Nobody in Raleigh is advocating a MLB franchise, and I live only an hour away. Sacramento, Portland, Indy and Hartford are anarchic slums. Orlando can't get an expansion team because there are already two teams in Florida. SLC is the most viable candidate for a team, but it could obtain one by relocation rather than expansion. Pittsburgh and Cleveland are dying franchises ripe for relo or even merger. The Rays could end up in Orlando if the insane deal with St. Pete collapses. There will be no expansion. Today's voters are in no mood to authorize billions in expansion fee and construction of a stadium. Manfred is delusional.
DG, Montreal was abandoned! And the strike years of 1994 which cancelled the post season (and may I add that the Expos were actually really good that season), And 1995. Then their owner screwed them over BIG TIME, then MLB owned the franchise and really didn’t promote that team and left them with NO BROADCASTING RIGHTS in TV or Radio. If any place deserves a redo it’s Montreal. MLB really screwed that place over!
I never said they should play at that MONSTROSITY! But that situation in Montreal was that owner (Jeff Loria now owner of the Marlins) Screwed the city and Provence of Quebec. His thought probably was to move out of Montreal regardless! Being he was never serious about staying in Montreal and tried to ransom that Market for taxpayer paid new stadium when that market was still paying off on that MONSTROSITY the Expos were stuck playing in. Montreal is a good case in point that the Summer Olympics isn’t always what it’s cracked up to be! Especially financially!!
Braves are going to be pissed if Charlotte or Nashville gets a team probably. They just started offering Braves license plates in Tennessee. I think Charlotte would hurt the Braves more because historically Charlotte has been more of a Braves town. Personally I would love either city to get a team just to have another stadium to visit. I'm like 6 hours from Tampa but I have zero desire to see that stadium in person. Too bad they can't add seats to the Charlotte Knights stadium. It has an amazing view of the sky line.
That's why it won't happen ... The Atlanta Falcons and Hawks used to be huge franchises too ... Then they put NFL and NBA teams in Tennesse and the Carolinas and the end result was they traded a huge franchise for three nobody cares about and the sad thing it did nothing to expand the NFL or NBAs markets because the Falcons and Hawks already had those markets ... And really the Rays biggest issue is the Braves I've lived most of my life in South GA and North FL ... North FL has a ton of Braves fans outside of Tampa the Rays almost don't have a fanbase ... At this point the Braves have too many generational fans in TN and NC just like they did in North FL when Tampa got a team ... What I think would be best for the MLB is expanding West
@@scottbussey499 The Rays need to leave FL all together maybe go to Austin or SLC and let the Marlins try to take those TB fans I think FL could support one team but they can't support two not with the Northern transplants in South FL and the large number of Braves fans in North FL ... The NBA shouldn't have two FL teams either the only reason the NFL gets away with more than one is because FL adores football that's why they have three different NCAA football teams that are massive brands
That’s cool and all but Atlanta doesn’t speak for the entire south especially for Nashville. I’m from Nashville and there’s not really a lot of braves plates in Tennessee like that I mean we like them but we rather do our own thing. We are our own large metropolis and have our own brand.
as someone who is just getting into MLB and lives in Orlando and has been in various parts of Florida the vast majority of my life. Move the rays. tampa is a horrible location for anything. no one likes tampa even people from tampa, no one wants to go to tampa especially for 1 thing. if they move to Orlando its a better location with more interesting stuff around and big for tourism. locals and tourists will go to games and find other things to do in the area or go to games just because they are already in the area doing on vacation or something
There is no way the stadium outside of Portland will get built at the golf course. There is one road in and out and there is one bus line. It would take longer to get to and from the stadium than watching the game.
IF Orlando gets a team, I see the Rays moving there. Personally, I think the expansion will come from three possible cities: 1. Nashville 2. Charlotte 3. Portland.
If a team goes to Nashville or Charlotte they will fail just like Tampa Bay did. The braves hurt the rays and would hurt Nashville or Charlotte the same, since it's braves country
If Disney has anything to do with a potential Orlando franchise, Orlando Groomers would be an appropriate name, and their logo would be Cinderella sporting a mustache. You can bet their stadium would have a TRANS-lucent roof.
It'll be a bad idea to move the Rays to Orlando. The TV market in Orlando is 17, whereas Tampa Bay is 13. Also, the Orlando Magic almost moved to Kansas City in 2011, but in the last minute, the decision was made to build a new arena in Orlando. Compared to other NBA teams, the team don't have much support. At least half the people in Orlando are visitors going in and out of Orlando. If it's not for Disney World, Orlando would not exist. What makes you think Orlando can support a MLB team? Therefore, it makes plenty of since for the Rays to stay in Tampa Bay in either St. Pete or Tampa.
Youd have to make N, S, E & W divisions with 4 teams in each. Salt Lake City & Charlotte or Nashville or New Orleans would be the best cities for new stadiums. Montreal & Oakland or Portland are dark horse cities.
So many of these cities are WAY too small for a MLB team…Nashville would work but I think Portland would be too small and Salt Lake City has less than a million people in the metro area!
As of now, each league has seven teams in the Eastern Time Zone and eight in the others Therefore the next two teams will almost certainly be in the East . Montreal? Nashville? Charlotte?
I agree with the Rays, they cant build there where they are currently and still expect the fans to come from Tampa, move them to Orlando they can get people from both the atlantic and gulf side plus all the tourists that are in that area some will want a break from the theme parks
I think it's an easy decision if they only add 2 teams: Nashville and either Vegas or Oakland, whichever team doesn't get the A's. I could see a deal worked out with Oakland similar to the NFL and the Cleveland Browns back in the 90s. I think you can rule out any city in Florida because of the attendance issues with the other two teams. I think you can rule out any city of Texas because the other two teams already have the fans. I would rule out Mexico City because of the altitude.
@@DoctorEw220 That’s what the city wants. I think the Braves are the only other team which didn’t change its name when they relocated (Browns > Orioles, Senators 1.0 > Twins, Pilots > Brewers, Senators 2.0 > Rangers, Expos > Nationals).
I agree Sacramento is not a current candidate but your reasoning is pretty flawed. You say, remember when they tried to build a baseball stadium… That was 35 years ago! Sacramento is an entirely different city. Rather, there is no ownership group and/or organization actually pursuing an expansion team. So, that’s probably a more likely reason why they wouldn’t get a team.
HARTFORD CT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I’m a Red Sox fan but I was born in CT so I may root for the Hartford team if that happens. I just hope those games would be on NESN or NBC sports Boston if that actually occurs, which I don’t think it will. But I would put a team in Austin over San Antonio or build the stadium between the two cities in either San Marcos or New Braunfels & call it Austin-San Antonio whatever the team will be called. It’s a genius idea when you think about it
No they shouldn’t definitely not Raleigh. Place is small and nothing to do with. I live here in Raleigh and Im from Nashville. Raleigh and Charlotte don’t stand a chance in this lifetime.
🎉The upcoming Netflix documentary on what happened to the Montreal Expos will hopefully shed some much needed light on the fact that it wasn't in any way the fault of the true fanbase. In fact, in the early '80's the Expos were outdrawing both the Yankees and Dodgers!!!!!! In a perfect world a new ballpark in the Peel Basin area close to downtown and directly accessing the new REM light rail line would be the best option and preferably with a retractable fixed roof. The main issue in Montreal is that it would need to be privately financed especially in light of the continuing Olympic Stadium fiasco.... All in all, with this in place, along with all the new revenue streams in place which simply didn't exist 20 years ago solid and stable ownership and a competitive on field product, there is simply no reason major league baseball couldn't thrive in Montreal again.
Don't see it happening in SA, not a ton of money here compared to Austin. Our minor league stadium is trash and there will likely be a focus on getting the Spurs a new stadium because of it's age (Frost Bank Center is still good IMO).
You must've forgotten the Missions owners also trying to build a new stadium alongside the Spurs arena. You know it's happening bts, plus the initial rush to Austin is dying. Companies are leasing out those downtown buildings and folks are moving south to get away from Austin.
Nashville is a solid baseball city. Fans support Vandy's ranked college team. Salt lake City? Colder than Denver. Not much history there.with the sport. Texas is a great baseball state, High School, Minor leagues, College, weather, so San Antonio looks good to me.
Raleigh is a joke of a city! They can’t support it I live here and they have some growing up to do. I’m from Nashville and we are primed for sports and entertainment and have the money and infrastructure to do so along with the support along with a great ROI.
S.A./Austin makes no sense for MLB. Astros and Rangers already own that market. Charlotte, Nashville, Montreal (a return), SLC are a true expansion of the league.
If Austin gets a team, they should be called the "Powers." Thanks, you're a great crowd; I'll be here all week. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Austin is a no. Rangers will claim that as territorial rights. Same with the Astros. They are not moving another team into Texas after the fight with the O's. Which is still going on by the way.
@@lmelty71 Aw, you’re no fun! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@scotttild Yeah, I could see that happening.
It'll be SA over Austin since they're currently working on creating a sports district here whereas Austin currently has no plans
Salt Lake went from being laughed at to legitimately having a shot at getting a team
Baseball in southern cities would def help grow the game, that’s for sure.
New Orleans is right there, MLB… right there!!!
That Orlando stadium sketch is iconic!
The Austin/San Antonio area would be considered 15th-ish on tv market size. And it’s still growing.
It makes zero sense to put another stadium in St. Pete,they seriously need to figure out their smartest move is moving the team to Orlando,the proposed stadium is going essentially walking distance from one of the biggest convention centers in the US,just how many more people will that bring in,all those conventions end at 4-6pm and then all those thousands of attendees have nothing to do,the theme parks dont close that late,Animal Kingdom and the Universal parks have closing times between 6-8pm,staying right there to watch a game is pretty appealing.Then the central location in the state will bring people from the east and west coast and metro Orlando population is growing at a staggering rate,seems so silly to commit the Rays to playing way out there past Tampa,just crossing the Skyway bridge is scary AF!!
It would still be a hard uphill battle, especially if they rebrand. The thing you fail to mention and/or realize is that those convention goers aren't as lucrative as you would think and neither are the local fans on either coast. Mostly because the vast majority of them aren't from Florida originally and those that are often have allegiances baked in from their parents or other familial ties. Best of luck, but that market isn't as sustainable as building a new stadium in Tampa proper would be.
@@classjacksonlawsuit Spring training games when the Braves were at Disney and generally in Florida are usually super popular and would always sell out.Orlando gets 74 million visitors a year and has a population just short of the Tampa metro,the Orlando Magic have no issues with attendance and get a lot of tourists at the games.Baseball has generally failed in Florida,The Rays constantly have good teams and nobody goes to the games,not moving them to Orlando would be a huge mistake.Maybe if baseball wasn't a summer sport all those snowbirds in the west coast of Florida would give it a chance but another stadium in St Pete,that's lunacy!!They wouldn't rebrand,they would just be the Orlando Rays!
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One of the best insiders and he butchers his name right out of the gate.
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SLC would have the prettiest backdrop in all of MLB. Look at the renderings
I am an Utahn I wouldn't be opposed of them having a expansion team
As Long as they are Not an bad team or the Athletics
hell i know everyone and their momma want the A's to stay in Oakland
Vegas is BS honestly they dont deserve a team that's bs
Austin would be a nightmare. I went there right before the pandemic and the infrastructure hasn't caught up with the population boom. I was stuck in traffic most of the time and can barely find a parking spot in the city. Also most of the people are relocated tech bros from silicon valley. They priced the original residents out.
The city would love it but the traffic here is absurd- San Antonio is a better fit
San Antonio is further away from Houston and Dallas. I'm surprised they don't have a team in every sport.
Traffic in Austin is terrible. Downtown parking is worst.
When you look at Raleigh, you have to take Durham and Chapel Hill into account, which moves the metro population over 2 million. For Charlotte and Raleigh, you have to take into account the other large metro areas in the Carolinas like Greensboro, Winston-Salem, Greenville, Spartanburg, Fayetteville, and Columbia. The expanded market is up around 10 million, and that is a lot of potential fans. A team that isn't run like the Panthers should do well in that area.
I think that San Antonio and Salt Lake City should get teams. Just think, the San Antonio Missions and the Salt Lake City Missionaries.
MLB expanding to Tokyo sounds like a great idea, like MLS expanding to London, UK. They’ll be the 7th most popular baseball team in the area!
I played Baseball Mogul years ago and expanded to 40 teams (which meant also meant 40 additional minor league teams I had to place).
I did Vancouver, Portland, Salt Lake City, and San Antonio in the west. I did Cheyenne, WY, which was dumb, but they drew better than you'd think. After a few years I moved them to Omaha, and moved Portland to Las Vegas.
San Antonio and Vancouver drew the best.
A's had moved to San Jose.
Rays DID move to Orlando and drew better in "Universal Field" (Universal Studios).
In the east, I had Nashville, Charlotte, New Orleans, Buffalo, and Richmond. Richmond eventually moved to Columbus.
Vancouver is on the west coast, Montreal is on the east coast
Nashville and give Vegas an expansion team, A's stay in Oakland and they take that waterfront project that the city approved. Bc A's fans deserve to keep them in Oakland
Oakland has very little fan support
@jamesmcdonald9025 that's simply not true. They have it but they're done supporting their owner who doesn't invest in any way, whether it's in the front office, the field, the stadium. He's made the place a literal baseball hellscape. He doesn't give people a reason to want to go. I mean damn even the Rockies give their fans a reason to show up and they're trash almost every year
I remember in 1990 walking up to the ticket sale booth at the stadium same day and buying World Series tickets for game 3,also game 4 for $25 each
The A's gave up their San Jose territorial rights to the Giants when the Giants were working San Fran politicians to replace Candlestick but the Giants never gave the rights back. Then when the A's tried to build a stadium in San Jose years ago, the Giants vetoed it and Bud Selig backed the Giants. That's part of the reason we are where we're at with the A's situation.
I prefer the Ybor City proposal but switch the glass dome to the Translucent Dome
Yes! They'd be building a stadium in an existing entertainment district - one that would get cleaned up with an MLB presence. I'd love to see it with a brick facede that looks like it's from the 1910s so it fits in with Ybor.
Nashville makes sense
I think thought should be given to balancing out any future plans for REGIONAL LEAGUES. So one team in the South East and another in the West/Mountain region might make the most sense. So I say Charlotte and Salt Lake City ✌️
Tampa Bay owners wanted to split a season with Montreal, as the city wants to bring the Expos back, still have baseball fans that want them back.
Indianapolis or Nashville would be nice just for geographical reasons
Raleigh, NC- MLB and NHL Charlotte, NFL and NBA
Orlando just needs to take the Rays from Tampa. Being a tourist hub you would have so many dads that would take their kids to the game when they go to visit Disney/Universal. People aren't driving another 1 1/2hrs to go over to St Pete to watch a game, definitely a local market. Nashville would be amazing as well.
Salt Lake City is about 1000ft lower than Denver. I know the Salt Lake Bees stadium has a pretty deep centerfield fence like the Rockies not sure how much 1000ft helps things like pitchers recovery though.
MLB needs to add 5-6 of these cities. Charlotte, Nashville, Austin, SLC would make great expansion city, Portand good, and Orlando only if they need to keep the numbers even. Maybe add two ASAP and two more 3 years later and two more 3 years after that.
SLC logistically is in a good location between Colorado, Arizona, and the teams on the west coast.
Montreal needs the Expos. WE need the Expos.
I don't think Columbus or Indianapolis will get a team because of the Reds.
Don't forget Columbus Clippers are AAA affiliate of Cleveland Guardians (formerly Indians which I'm old school) and here in Columbus, it's split between Reds and Guardians roughly, plus arguably Pirates and Cards. Indianapolis Indians are AAA affiliate of the Pirates. Nonetheless, agree on geographic reasons among other factors to not have one. Haven't even mentioned Detroit Tigers. Besides, there's been so much history that both Columbus & Indy each have in terms of AAA baseball.
Think originally Columbus was the founding headquarters of AAA baseball with IL (International Leage).
Hypothetically speaking, I wonder what would happen if Vegas goes ahead and says no to the A's and all of a sudden throw their name in a hat for expansion.
Would Vegas still be a legit contender when weighed against the competitive possibilities as outlined in this video? I'd say their chances go from definitely to probably.
I'm real afraid that if Vegas says no to the A's, they would likely to lose out on MLB altogether just like they did with MLS. And to add insult to that injury, they would still have all those MLB dot tv blackouts that could have been resolved.
On the other hand, are TV markets still relevant in the age of cordcutting? I'm surprised no one has factored that in yet.
If Vegas leaves the MLB trying to find the As a new home last minute the MLB would be so pissed they would never consider Vegas again they'd give Oakland another teams or put another team in Canada before Vegas just to spite them
I don’t think it’s a matter of Vegas saying no to the A’s; it’s more of a matter of Fisher not being able to afford it, or Bally’s taking their own sweet time redeveloping the Tropicana site, or both. That, and maybe all parties realizing that a stadium just may not work on that site. I don’t think it would take much for MLB to approve the A’s moving to SLC, and letting Vegas get ready in their own time for an expansion team. Vegas wants MLB, just maybe not the A’s.
as a native Texan I would love for the central TX area (san antonio/austin) to get an expansion team... but I do not see that happening as that would take away from the astros and rangers market.
There's supposed plans to build a major baseball stadium in downtown San Antonio along with a new Spurs downtown arena to hopefully bring in a major league baseball team along with a rail train system that'll transport people to and from Austin to San Antonio so this can possibly happen. Central Texas is growing rapidly so they should add an MLB team in the area.
MLB would look at the population of Texas and drool over the prospect of adding another team there.
@July9326 the railway system has been proposed since I was born in the 90s! That ain't happening but hoping the sports district will
@@RisingPHX I know what you're talking but yeah district leaders/council people in SA are so behind times and stubborn. The mayor is all for it so I hope things change eventually.
Based on population alone, Texas would be a great choice; 30 million and growing. A third team would fit seamlessly and be greatly supported.
Love these kind of videos! Keep em coming.
I’m from Oregon and Portland could not be a worse place for an MLB team. The city is an absolute dump hole. The ballpark would have to be in Hillsboro or some other suburb and the traffic to and from those games during the week would be a huge mess. Putting a shiny new stadium in a crappy area would be a rough look.
They're thinking of building the stadium in Beaverton which isn't the worst but not the best but certainly better than the city of PDX itself. Hillsboro would be an option considering they already have the Hops minor league. Also would be an excuse to tear down that dump Hillsboro Stadium. 😂😂😂
@@RedPaganNetwork yes you are correct imploding Hillsboro stadium would not be the worst thing in the world.
Yeah downtown Portland looks like the apocalypse
San Jose is the best option because it’s in an excellent market! A lot of money here and very diverse! An hour away from San Francisco Giants! I live here and MLB dropped the ball when they didn’t overturn Giants territory rights in 2013 when San Jose had funding and available land for A’s! Dont get me wrong, Salt Lake is an excellent choice too
Everyone forgets about Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Hampton area with regards to metro areas. 37th largest, and a LOT of major league teams are smaller but have teams. The list above includes three areas that are smaller - Raleigh, Hartford, Salt Lake City. There was an NBA franchise there during the ABA years, and there has always been talk of NBA or MLB.
Oakland should get an expansion team if the A's stay committed to Las Vegas
Don't the Nationals still hold the rights to the Expos? Everyone tells me The Texans can't be the Oilers because they Titans still hold the naming rights so I would think that would be the same here.
You are correct. However, it’s possible the Nationals give up the naming rights.
The Texans name came from the KC Chiefs ... The Chiefs were originally in Dallas and used the Texans name ... The reason the Houston Texans ain't the Houston Oilers is because the ownership doesn't care about being the Oilers ... The Washington Nationals didn't come up with their name either ... The Boston Red Stockings (Now Braves) were nicknamed the Nationals because they played in the National league while the Boston Americans (Now Red Sox) were called the Americans because they played in the American league interestingly the franchise now known as the Braves sold both the Red stockings name to the now Boston Red Sox and the Nationals name to the now Washington Nationals ... This has all happened before the Washington Nationals would just sell the Expo brand to a new franchise ... And not that it matters but the franchise now known as the Braves were the Boston Bees for a while the only reason I bring this up is because the video said more than one new franchise might like the Bees name
Dang I hope Charlotte gets a team
Durham has a better baseball history. I mean we do have THE baseball movie.
Hartford? No Way!! you can't put a team in between the Red Sox and the Yankees
It certainly didn’t work out for the Whalers
A plan to add MLB near BDL was percolating pre-disco.
Charlotte, Nashville and Portland would all be amazing
Why can't they just do a 6 team expansion so the divisions won't be uneven
They will more than likely add two teams and then make a 4 divisions with 4 teams per division per league. Basically like the NFL
The problem in Montreal is the Big O(we) is on top of the metro and apparemtly would be a labour intensive process to demo it.
The plan would be to build a new stadium somewhere else, not at that site.
You should see the renos. They're gorgeous. I used to loathe the stadium, too.
Brooklyn! bring back the Dodgers! LA got two NFL teams all of a sudden! they ought to give back the Dodgers for balance.
I think I would agree with you that SLC stands a shot at getting it but I disagree on if not them it being another team in Texas. I don't think the MLB would take a gamble on a team in San Antonio or ATX. The only chance I see is if they put a team in say El Paso or Albuquerque, NM and we don't see any big movements on getting teams there. I see Portland being the secondary option to SLC and it would make travel for the Mariners a little easier, especially if they put the new team in the AL or move Seattle to the NL.
I hope Portland gets a team! I am loyal to the Mariners. It would be nice for the M's to have a close opponent.
Bring MLB baseball back to Montréal! I would fully support the team as much as the Jays.
The MLB needs to add some sort of salary floor and/or cap before they even think about expansion. Any new team will be at best mid-market by default and be at such a competitive disadvantage to the established big market teams. Existing mid and small market teams already struggle to compete with the current economics and they have decades if not over a century of existence. Unless the new owners are committed to spending long-term it will be a complete disaster.
Utah just introduced a 1 billion dollar funding bill for an mlb park in their state senate. We’ll see where it goes.
It'll be SLC and Austin ... Getting more teams into those time zones to generate TV revenue will be the deciding factor the MLB has too many east coast teams and Nashville and Charlotte don't get the MLB new markets because the Braves already do really well taking the TN SC and NC markets even in North Florida the Braves are more popular than the Rays their not gonna make the mistake of challenging the Braves again
How do you aleays make a video couple hir before i look for it
Nashville and Charlotte make the most sense. MLB should stop with trying to create geographical parity in expansion.
One of the larger reasons they both are great candidates the because of the lack of teams in the SE. Nobody west outside of Vegas competes with either of those two cities.
That's braves country, wouldn't really work
@@tannerjones6564 Braves country starts in Orlando and ends in Southern Ohio.
There’s plenty of room.
Austin should get one imo. San antonio has a basketball team so its only fair austin gets baseball. Other than that, the second expansion city should either be nashville or charlotte.
Why is it only fair? Austin has MLS and Longhorns football. SA will get MLB
@@RisingPHX I don't count the MLS as a "major league." The elite soccer competition is in Europe. The other north American leagues are the main elite competition of their sports
2:02 Mexico city is actually the biggest TV market in North America that doesn't have MLB team.
Mexico City is the biggest tv market in America forget MLB in general
El Paso Chihuahuas stadium seats 14k, just add some seats. The El Paso, Las Cruces, Juarez market would kick legitimate butt. Day games against in El Paso would be a home team advantage. 2 dollar Bud lights and 4 dollar Patron tequila shots !!!!
The Atlanta Braves aren’t gonna be happy if Charlotte gets an MLB team because the Braves usually dominates the South
Braves still dominate the South. No matter what expansion team comes.
Same as Nashville, its all Braves Country
The Braves may have to be unhappy because there are more people living in the major metro areas of the Carolinas(not just Charlotte and Raleigh-Durham)than in metro Atlanta. It will be hard for MLB to ignore a potential fan base of that size.
@@fishingthelist4017 Atlanta Metro population doubles Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham put together. Atlanta has the 9th biggest media market in the US. Plus most of the carolinas are braves fans
@@tannerjones6564 when you figure in the million plus in Greenville-Spartanburg, another million plus in Greensboro and Winston-Salem, and almost a million in Columbia, which are all nearby, the population base to draw from gets much larger.
"...MLB will put together an expansion committee." What a joke. What did the relocation committee do with the Oakland situation, or the blue ribbon committee before that?
As long as the nike swoosh is on the jerseys, Portland can kiss an expansion team goodbye!
Cities that are not getting expansion teams I wish people would stop brining up. 1. Portland, see downtown 2. Montreal... See exchange rate.... 3. Austin.... see Rangers and Astros... All three of those cities are going to be a no for a number of reasons. Most likely MLB is going to expand in the south ie Nashville and some other city.
Vancouver and Montreal - two great Canadian cities.
Nashville doesn’t have to be in the east. It’s pretty much at the midpoint geographically of the existing teams.
Nashville in the West makes about as much sense as the Nashville Sounds being in the PCL, which they are.
Montréal is top 10 city for population and top 20 North America for metropolitan area.
How many times do I have to recite this for simpleminded:? The governments of Montreal, Nashville and Charlotte are all pledged to NO PUBLIC MONEY FOR A MLB STADIUM. Zero, nada, diddly squat. Nobody in Raleigh is advocating a MLB franchise, and I live only an hour away. Sacramento, Portland, Indy and Hartford are anarchic slums. Orlando can't get an expansion team because there are already two teams in Florida. SLC is the most viable candidate for a team, but it could obtain one by relocation rather than expansion. Pittsburgh and Cleveland are dying franchises ripe for relo or even merger. The Rays could end up in Orlando if the insane deal with St. Pete collapses. There will be no expansion. Today's voters are in no mood to authorize billions in expansion fee and construction of a stadium. Manfred is delusional.
This is tough. I can see it happening for Portland, Montreal, Nashville, or San Antonio, and rays to orlando.
DG, Montreal was abandoned! And the strike years of 1994 which cancelled the post season (and may I add that the Expos were actually really good that season), And 1995. Then their owner screwed them over BIG TIME, then MLB owned the franchise and really didn’t promote that team and left them with NO BROADCASTING RIGHTS in TV or Radio. If any place deserves a redo it’s Montreal. MLB really screwed that place over!
They can't play in Olympic Stadium which was never a good ballpark in the first place
I never said they should play at that MONSTROSITY! But that situation in Montreal was that owner (Jeff Loria now owner of the Marlins) Screwed the city and Provence of Quebec. His thought probably was to move out of Montreal regardless! Being he was never serious about staying in Montreal and tried to ransom that Market for taxpayer paid new stadium when that market was still paying off on that MONSTROSITY the Expos were stuck playing in. Montreal is a good case in point that the Summer Olympics isn’t always what it’s cracked up to be! Especially financially!!
Braves are going to be pissed if Charlotte or Nashville gets a team probably. They just started offering Braves license plates in Tennessee. I think Charlotte would hurt the Braves more because historically Charlotte has been more of a Braves town. Personally I would love either city to get a team just to have another stadium to visit. I'm like 6 hours from Tampa but I have zero desire to see that stadium in person. Too bad they can't add seats to the Charlotte Knights stadium. It has an amazing view of the sky line.
I had the same thought. The braves media market is massive. I think braves veto and if they plan to put the team in the NL forget about it
That's why it won't happen ... The Atlanta Falcons and Hawks used to be huge franchises too ... Then they put NFL and NBA teams in Tennesse and the Carolinas and the end result was they traded a huge franchise for three nobody cares about and the sad thing it did nothing to expand the NFL or NBAs markets because the Falcons and Hawks already had those markets ... And really the Rays biggest issue is the Braves I've lived most of my life in South GA and North FL ... North FL has a ton of Braves fans outside of Tampa the Rays almost don't have a fanbase ... At this point the Braves have too many generational fans in TN and NC just like they did in North FL when Tampa got a team ... What I think would be best for the MLB is expanding West
@@ddcs0s I think Tampa Bay needs to move and re add the Panhandle and Jacksonville areas back to Braves. No one cares about the Marlins or Rays.
@@scottbussey499 The Rays need to leave FL all together maybe go to Austin or SLC and let the Marlins try to take those TB fans I think FL could support one team but they can't support two not with the Northern transplants in South FL and the large number of Braves fans in North FL ... The NBA shouldn't have two FL teams either the only reason the NFL gets away with more than one is because FL adores football that's why they have three different NCAA football teams that are massive brands
That’s cool and all but Atlanta doesn’t speak for the entire south especially for Nashville. I’m from Nashville and there’s not really a lot of braves plates in Tennessee like that I mean we like them but we rather do our own thing. We are our own large metropolis and have our own brand.
as someone who is just getting into MLB and lives in Orlando and has been in various parts of Florida the vast majority of my life.
Move the rays. tampa is a horrible location for anything. no one likes tampa even people from tampa, no one wants to go to tampa especially for 1 thing.
if they move to Orlando its a better location with more interesting stuff around and big for tourism. locals and tourists will go to games and find other things to do in the area or go to games just because they are already in the area doing on vacation or something
There is no way the stadium outside of Portland will get built at the golf course. There is one road in and out and there is one bus line. It would take longer to get to and from the stadium than watching the game.
Charlotte, NC does have a minor league baseball team, the Charlotte Knights, but i'd like a major league baseball team here
IF Orlando gets a team, I see the Rays moving there. Personally, I think the expansion will come from three possible cities:
1. Nashville
2. Charlotte
3. Portland.
If a team goes to Nashville or Charlotte they will fail just like Tampa Bay did. The braves hurt the rays and would hurt Nashville or Charlotte the same, since it's braves country
If Disney has anything to do with a potential Orlando franchise, Orlando Groomers would be an appropriate name, and their logo would be Cinderella sporting a mustache. You can bet their stadium would have a TRANS-lucent roof.
😂😂😂 orlando groomers lol
It'll be a bad idea to move the Rays to Orlando. The TV market in Orlando is 17, whereas Tampa Bay is 13. Also, the Orlando Magic almost moved to Kansas City in 2011, but in the last minute, the decision was made to build a new arena in Orlando. Compared to other NBA teams, the team don't have much support. At least half the people in Orlando are visitors going in and out of Orlando. If it's not for Disney World, Orlando would not exist. What makes you think Orlando can support a MLB team? Therefore, it makes plenty of since for the Rays to stay in Tampa Bay in either St. Pete or Tampa.
It's more people living in Tampa Bay (over 3 million) than Orlando (around 2.5 million). The Rays will stay in Tampa Bay.
The Rays just need to move to the other side of the Howard Frankland.
Youd have to make N, S, E & W divisions with 4 teams in each. Salt Lake City & Charlotte or Nashville or New Orleans would be the best cities for new stadiums. Montreal & Oakland or Portland are dark horse cities.
i literally read that same article. it was interesting ngl.
Orlando Dreamers does have a nice ring to it
So many of these cities are WAY too small for a MLB team…Nashville would work but I think Portland would be too small and Salt Lake City has less than a million people in the metro area!
As of now, each league has seven teams in the Eastern Time Zone and eight in the others Therefore the next two teams will almost certainly be in the East .
Montreal? Nashville? Charlotte?
I agree with the Rays, they cant build there where they are currently and still expect the fans to come from Tampa, move them to Orlando they can get people from both the atlantic and gulf side plus all the tourists that are in that area some will want a break from the theme parks
I think it's an easy decision if they only add 2 teams: Nashville and either Vegas or Oakland, whichever team doesn't get the A's. I could see a deal worked out with Oakland similar to the NFL and the Cleveland Browns back in the 90s.
I think you can rule out any city in Florida because of the attendance issues with the other two teams. I think you can rule out any city of Texas because the other two teams already have the fans. I would rule out Mexico City because of the altitude.
You shouldn’t comment if you have zero sense. The Browns situation is night and day different.
I was thinking Oakland would keep the rights to the team name, history, records, etc, but the players, coaches, staff would move to Vegas.
@@DoctorEw220 That’s what the city wants. I think the Braves are the only other team which didn’t change its name when they relocated (Browns > Orioles, Senators 1.0 > Twins, Pilots > Brewers, Senators 2.0 > Rangers, Expos > Nationals).
I agree Sacramento is not a current candidate but your reasoning is pretty flawed. You say, remember when they tried to build a baseball stadium… That was 35 years ago! Sacramento is an entirely different city. Rather, there is no ownership group and/or organization actually pursuing an expansion team. So, that’s probably a more likely reason why they wouldn’t get a team.
HARTFORD CT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. I’m a Red Sox fan but I was born in CT so I may root for the Hartford team if that happens. I just hope those games would be on NESN or NBC sports Boston if that actually occurs, which I don’t think it will. But I would put a team in Austin over San Antonio or build the stadium between the two cities in either San Marcos or New Braunfels & call it Austin-San Antonio whatever the team will be called. It’s a genius idea when you think about it
Indianapolis
Another team in Texas? Why?
Raleigh or Charlotte need to be the #1 place for a new team
No they shouldn’t definitely not Raleigh. Place is small and nothing to do with. I live here in Raleigh and Im from Nashville. Raleigh and Charlotte don’t stand a chance in this lifetime.
🎉The upcoming Netflix documentary on what happened to the Montreal Expos will hopefully shed some much needed light on the fact that it wasn't in any way the fault of the true fanbase. In fact, in the early '80's the Expos were outdrawing both the Yankees and Dodgers!!!!!!
In a perfect world a new ballpark in the Peel Basin area close to downtown and directly accessing the new REM light rail line would be the best option and preferably with a retractable fixed roof. The main issue in Montreal is that it would need to be privately financed especially in light of the continuing Olympic Stadium fiasco....
All in all, with this in place, along with all the new revenue streams in place which simply didn't exist 20 years ago solid and stable ownership and a competitive on field product, there is simply no reason major league baseball couldn't thrive in Montreal again.
Orlando is a very travel destination not enough dedicated fan base. San Antonio too close to Houston and Dallas
Don't see it happening in SA, not a ton of money here compared to Austin. Our minor league stadium is trash and there will likely be a focus on getting the Spurs a new stadium because of it's age (Frost Bank Center is still good IMO).
You must've forgotten the Missions owners also trying to build a new stadium alongside the Spurs arena. You know it's happening bts, plus the initial rush to Austin is dying. Companies are leasing out those downtown buildings and folks are moving south to get away from Austin.
MLB needs to be smart and put a team back in Montreal. The league needs the Expos back.
SLC is about 4000 feet
Nashville is a solid baseball city. Fans support Vandy's ranked college team. Salt lake City? Colder than Denver. Not much history there.with the sport. Texas is a great baseball state, High School, Minor leagues, College, weather, so San Antonio looks good to me.
Raleigh!!!
No sir! I live in Raleigh it’s small and nothing here to draw a crowd compared to my hometown Nashville!
@@BryantBaudelaire neither work because the braves already own those areas. The braves will chew them up and spit them out
Nashville Sounds
Charlotte Flight
I don’t know what would be great names for San Antonio or Salt Lake City honestly
Those sound like MLS and WNBA team names man 😂
I would like Portland and SLC or Austin/San Antonio to be the candidate and I would like the MLB to have 40 teams in the future
Low key Louisville, New Orleans, and Portland Beavers would be my top 3 choices
also imagine an MLB team In Tokyo OMG the JETLAG The damn JetLag they would have lol
I just want a team in Indy dawg. I love baseball too much to not have a hometown team.
There are enough teams in the midwest.
Awful state. The Mississippi of the Midwest.
@@kentstallard6512 sounds like something someone who’s never been outside of Arizona would say
@@mattharrison9524 I'm from Michigan.
Top 3# Nashville,Las Vegas, Mexico City,
Then-
Raleigh-Durham (Not Charlotte)/ Sacramento A’s
Raleigh is a joke of a city! They can’t support it I live here and they have some growing up to do. I’m from Nashville and we are primed for sports and entertainment and have the money and infrastructure to do so along with the support along with a great ROI.
@@BryantBaudelaire Maybe not, but the entirety of the Research Triangle probably could.
Aviators IS a minor team. The Las Vegas Aviators are the A's AAA minor league team.
U wonder what would happen if the aviators moved to oakland
The white sox should move to Indianpolis or Nashville
Should give Newark or New Orleans a expansian team
It’s a matter of When not if baseball returns to Montreal ❤❤❤
S.A./Austin makes no sense for MLB. Astros and Rangers already own that market. Charlotte, Nashville, Montreal (a return), SLC are a true expansion of the league.
Move the Rays out of Tampa and put them between Tampa and Orlando.