Tim Grover breaks down the biggest differences in training Michael Jordan & Kobe | UNDISPUTED
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- Tim Grover trained the one and only Michael Jordan and some of the world’s most elite athletes, and he’s also got a new book out: 'Winning: The Unforgiving Race to Greatness.' Tim Grover joins Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe to discuss the differences between training Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Russell Wilson.
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I’m disappointed that Skip simply took the opportunity to put Jordan on a pedal stool and knock Kobe down simply because he is bias. That slick question didn’t go un-noticed. This mama fandom is borderline cultish. Anytime you get upset someone else is getting credit and have to bring up someone else’s accomplishment that is something to worry about. Skip doesn’t have to tear others down to bolster Brady and Jordan...but he does
"I don't pay Tim to train me, I pay him not to train anybody else"😂😂 MJ a fool
"You wanted to use my trainer? That's all i needed. From that point forward, it was personal. "
@@Hinshu85 why did you say a fool
@@Hinshu85 sorry not you
Why did you say MJ was a fool that for you Jordan Mack
@@dorarichardson975 lmao i was kidding bro i don't actually think he's a fool. Just thought his statement was funny
these are the guest you need to have more often
It’s so cool to see the legendary Tim Grover on Undisputed.
RIGHT!
Legendary
The Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant friendship was the greatest untold bromance ever. I know MJ is very private. I think MJ and Kobe had very small social circles. Both introverted.
The top is lonely
They are not introverted. They just dont have the impulse to share everything of their private life with the public. Not everbody is a karadshian.
Lebron and Wade is better
@@fashionlife5348 you May have a case for LeBron although I'd take MJ or Kobe over him. But no case to say wade was better.
MJ wasn’t introverted until he became THE BIGGEST athletic icon of all time. Everywhere he went...a circus ensued the likes of which hasn’t been seen since The Beatles.
This man trained MJ, Kobe, and D-Wade. He needs a spot in the hall of fame.
3 best shooting guards all time
@@anthonyurso3554Jerry West is the real number 3, ahead of D Wade. But the recency bias is real in todays game. You could even argue he's number 2 ahead of Kobe.
@@marquettegloves9907 it’s not recency bias it’s ppl are just ignorant lol but Wade was legit 2 way player. Jerry West was really good too though
@@marquettegloves9907West is a mostly a point guard in his whole career. He played as PG for 12 of his 14 seasons. So yea Dwayne Wade is #3 SG of all time.
@@marquettegloves9907that’s all SPECULATION on what he would be if he played today. Objectively , if you plopped prime Jerry West with no time to adapt to modern ball, he would get annihilated vs 09’ D Wade. Of course he’d adapt if he grew up nowadays or even had a year or 2, but Jerry West without time to adapt… he’d get circles ran around him. Better compared to his competition? Now that would likely go to West .
What a crossover!!! I LOVE Tim Grover!!! This guy watched greatness from a front row seat for decades!!!
so did everyone else.
@@bjvu9460 i disagree
@@bjvu9460 he had conversations with the greats. You watched them on tv. Not the same thing
@@ThomasSeeds It crazy you gotta break that down to some people.
@@LeathafaceTV what's crazy is basketball doesn't make you Great
Holy moly! They got Tim on the show. Props to the production 👏
He’ll go in any show to promote his new book.
@@kennguyen8038 Yeah but he still had a good time I believe
What's amazing about Kobe is HE always made the call when he needed information. Every story about his greatness always starts with Kobe contacting them for knowledge or advice.
Kobe is technically considered a genius. People say his IQ level was extremely high
Truly curious and humble
I truly believe He lacked recovery. He trained too hard for too long. And he's still an all time great
@@daviddietschyea for sure. He needed PEDs
Great point
This was a goated segment
This dude is legit the “G.O.A.T” of trainers.
Tim deserves a lot of credit for training MJ, Kobe and D Wade
Top 3 SGs ever thats crazy
@@starrplayaentertainmenttm1053 ode
Grover was nobody when he trained MJ..MJ opened his eyes to what a pro athlete can be. MJ was a fkn machine that’s why he told Grover he better keep up
@@mannyneva1760 true that thats the plot twist he stole jordans moves and sold em for money lol
F***k Dwayne Wade, they're talking about MJ & Kobe, why someone always gotta add someone else to the mix
D-Wade wasn't on MJ/Kobe's level, Ray Allen needs to get some respect as a SG
He was better than D-Wade
Tim Grover's book Relentless is a must read for not just athletes, but for anyone who wants to win in life. 💯
The fact that Tim got to train both Mike and Kobe just goes to show how much expertise the man has in his craft and how much they trusted him. How many trainers gets to say they got to train 2 of the top 10 greatest NBA players in the history of the NBA. Don’t think many can say that.
Even better he trained the top 3 SGs in history, kobe MJ and wade
2 of the top 5*
@@footyfiend3904 MJ, Kobe, Wade easily top 3 SGs of all time no cap💯💯🤷🏽♂️
@@footyfiend3904 o oops yu meant MJ and Kobe are top 5😭😭😭yea I agree on dat
MJ introverted? 😆
This guy trained my two favorite basketball players of all time. What an honor. I wish I could've been him.
I appreciate your vulnerability
He trained my 3 favorite players ever. MJ, Kobe & D-Wade
He literally is the GOAT TRAINER
@@aformula4198 His protégé did though.
& Brady trainer
@@nostalgicbliss5547 who
Beh eh eh eh eh eh eh eh😂
He trained MJ, the greatest SG ever. He trained Kobe, the 2nd greatest SG ever. And he even trained D. Wade, the 3rd greatest SG ever... Anybody see a pattern here?
Greatness
Good point
Jordan would've been the greatest shooting guard ever with or without Tim Grover.
Nah. Kobe took what MJ did and took it the next level.
@@tottietaito6468 how can you say take it to the next level? by saying that it means kobe is better than jordan but his not..
His first client. Amazing. MJ alters peoples' lives. He sees the potential in you and he gives you a shot. Tim Grover, first client. His career driver, random cabbie at airport his rookie season. Phil Jackson the coach out of nowhere. Steve Kerr. Scottie Pippen. That's why it pisses me off when people criticize MJ that he doesnt help people. He does. He just not boastful about it.
Hey I just love what you said because I have been saying the same thing. Just you said it better.
MJ altered Nike as well. He altered a lot of lives.
Don’t forget Nike
Tim got the Chance to Train 2 of the Top Guys in NBA HISTORY Salute to you 👌
Trained wade too
@@travisealy3512 got to train all time greats, that’s amazing.
His brain has so many little tips and tricks he’s like a human cheat code
And his intern trained another great champ...iron sharpens iron....
And his intern trained another great champ...iron sharpens iron....
Wow this was the real-life Goku (Michael Jordan) and Vegeta (Kobe Bryant). Goku trains smarter, Vegeta trains harder, and Vegeta chases Goku.
Great comparison
and they are rivals but also friends!
Dayummm this is dope but Vegeta was a more interesting character both G.O.A.Ts
I miss Kobe man
@@mfkboom very good comparison. @Rolland Curtis dropping some dope knowledgeable ✌
People say if MJ played in this era, he'd be criticized all the time from social media. But if LeBron has tons of fans using that platform, imagine how many more people will follow MJ? MJ will be praised even more than before.
Not after the last dance. People are soft. Mike is a d bag though.
Not true
Good point
Nah because a lot of Mj’s downfalls get overlooked because of lack of social media back then and a lot of people today can’t remember or didn’t see most of his career .. like losing to Orlando and how bad he played in that series and a whole bunch of other things people didn’t see ... we literally see and analyze all of Lebron’s career way more than any other player
@@Lifeofalexp1 Im pretty sure he’d get a pass against Orlando.....dude averaged 31-7-4-2.5-1.8 on 48%fg after nearly 2 years of playing A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sport which has COMPLETELY DIFFERENT training and focuses on COMPLETELY DIFFERENT muscle groups and requires a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT body composition....I’m pretty sure he’d get a pass for dat
So? No one is going to talk about how this man should be in the Hall of Fame. Jordan, Kobe and Wade nothing to explain.
Barkley too.
@@aaronjackson9385 Pippen and Ron Harper were also trained by him
Now THESE are the kinds of segments we REALLY need!!
MJ and Kobe's training...kinda reminds me of Goku and Vegetas and how they both trained
Dope analogy
Great analogy
🔥 analogy
👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
Who's Who?
Tim knows MJ and Kobe are on a different stratosphere.
Kobe is not in the same statosphere with MJ AT ALL 🤦♀️!
Kobe maximized and MJ optimized. Both great winners.
Other way around
Only one GOAT, MJ
Those both mean the same thing.
@Keith Joseph also wasting his prime years with no help.05,06,07.
@Keith Joseph cost him multiple championships? You do know he won 5 rings right? Very possibly could have had 6 if Karl Malone hadn't gotten hurt in 04
Omg they got a legend the guy behind training two of the greatest players of all time on this show. This was a treat to watch and hear all hail tim grover 🙌😀.
This is why I love this show. I never would've read his book if he wasn't on here to shed light on his life and career/careers he was a part of. Hearing the comparisons with Kobe and MJ was great
When Skip hears stories about Micheal. He turns super saiyan
How ironic is it that the 3 greatest SG's in NBA History were all trained by Tim Grover
It's not ironic. The other 2 were just smartly following the GOAT, MJ.
Only one GOAT
It’s by ERA so don’t disrespect Kobe and say he wasn’t the goat of his time
@@SUKISUKIxSF so then Kobe is a GOHT? Greatest Of His Time.. lol people don’t realize that GOAT means ALL time not his time lol
@@eduardogarcia3636 seriously. There is no "of all time" of certain times lmao
What a great interview. That's rare!
Tim made Skips day for calling MJ the goat and Tom the goat. Shannon over here settling for Nick Wright.
He trained Jordan that’s what he suppose to say
@@jerrodgarland2604 He trained Kobe too he could’ve said either but chose MJ
@Syed Sarim Ghufran Ahmad You completely misunderstood my comment
Nick Wrong, the worst!
@Syed Sarim Ghufran Ahmad better look up Kobe , He won all his rings in the 2000’s … In a 10 year span 5 rings 7 appearances. 9x defensive first team .
The legendary trainer that trained MJ, Kobe, and D Wade
And Russell Westbrook
@@lonnieknight9187 and fabio
@@thefartist is that a joke 🤔
@@lonnieknight9187 nope. How did u think that Fabio got so hunky?
@@thefartist Damn I didn't know that
Who are the fools disliking this video? The Players who did not show up at 3:30 am
I think it kills Shannon inside when guests on the show praise MJ 😂😂😂
Bruh really a Jordan and Kobe fan, just for ratings, he plays his role.
@@IrvinMichael
Hahaha he got so giddy when Jordan said kobe was just as insane as grover and be was comment that he went back to it, you know before he joined undisputed, there were messages on his tweets where he used to say kobe will always be better then lebron, unfortunately you can't recover them he deleted all of them after he joined undisputed he was a hardcore kobe fan.
He's an MJ fan. As what he said the first time he saw MJ he thought he levitated! 😆
bruh Shannon 100% an MJ fan of yu ever hear him talk outside of undisputed....also bro really said Bron will never pass Jordan in September 2016 he really do this for views but aye can’t blame him
@@IrvinMichael yo I hear this a lot. Apparently he was Kobe>Lebron before this show. Any truth to that?
Tim was great on this show 👏🏽
It's so crazy when you hear this story about Grover. He wrote a letter to the Bulls organization, all 15 players. Only 1 guy responded. MJ. Wild.
Nop. MJ didn't respond. Mj went to him.
He didn't talk to Mike because he thought MJ had already a great team. But MJ must have had an epiphany and went to him and 15 hours turned 15 years.
Nope he didnt send an email to MJ because he thinks mj is out of reach w/c his wrong mj is the one approach tim instead
@@leorule4878 He didn't send an email because email wasn't a thing at the time lol you mean actual letter mail
Undisputed is the best show ever. Legendary guests
Wish I could afford to pay this dude to train me in life. Lol
Dion Guthrie.I was train by Queen Latifah
Read his books. It’s the next best thing.
@@sohomarco I was train by Brock Leasnard n Shakira
What an interview... Wow... So inspirational... Thank you guys for this gift... 👍👍👍
MJ had Tinker Hatfield making his kicks and Tim Grover training him. Goats attract Goats.
I believe he also trained d-wade too so literally the top 3 sg were his client. Next generation sg better hit up Tim lol
Ray Allen was BETTER than D-Wade
@@TheExclusiveOne720 stop it troll
@@laddproduction
Stop what? It is the truth, D-Wade was just the more marketable player
Ray Allen was the BETTER player
@@TheExclusiveOne720 nope..not even close, Wade is the 3rd best sg of all time in terms of stats and accolades.
Thanks for bringing him in. What an awesome dude.
I've been a personal trainer for 8 years. I hit a plateau in my overall knowledge and competence a couple years back. It led me to enroll back in school for an exercise science degree and my dream is to train athletes. This man along with Todd Durkin are incredible inspirations for what's possible as a trainer.
I'm not into fitness training but I'd love to sit in on his process of how he works because hearing him speak his process must be very intelligent. You can probably apply some of his teachings to life. I'm buying his book. Plus I'm a MJ fan to the heart lol
He is dropping life jewels; this applies to life. Its like listening to Marcus Aurelius train someone...
Tim Grover really needs to come back on Undisputed again. ESPN talked to him last year when The Last Dance aired but not FS1. I've read about Tim from way back. Like 20+ years. He was great in The Last Dance.
Great episode. I’m glad they finally got Tim on the show 😎
"Michael worked smarter, Kobe worked harder" - Tim Grover
🙏🏽
@@itsnoahgf-_-6757 Comment which one you will choose working smarter or work harder
@@regantaylor5864 you need both actually
@@regantaylor5864
Its like they where Ying and Yang ☯️.
Thats why Imo Kobe became riddled with injuries. He worked so hard that he probably overtrained. Which led to so many injuries down the line. But thats what we love about Kobe.
One of the best guests you've ever had.
I'm definitely going to download this book. I have The Jordan Rules, Michael Jordan: The Life, Kobe Bryant: Showboat, Eleven Rings, Dream Team, Shaq Uncut, When The Game Was Ours, and The Book of Basketball.
Read relentless by Grover really good
Read Sacred Hoops & The last season by Phil Jackson
I want David Goggins and Tim Grover in the same room
*In my life
This is probably one of the best segments I’ve seen in a while. Great guest with great insights/stories!
Hes so well spoken holy moly, a legend
This was such a great segment. Damn.
This interview is gold. The GOAT trainer.
this guy is an AMAZING listener!
"I don't get 5 championships here without him" - Kobe's comment about Michael Jordan 🐐 in the Last Dance Documentary
He doesn't get three of those chips without Shaq!
@@RooseveltAliWashingtonX Exactly!!!! Ughhh Kobe is the most overrated athlete of all time! Kobe is the OAAT! I'm still trying to figure out why 🤦♀️????
Jordan looked effortless in every play, I cant see anybody ahead of him. Yes Kobe deserve credit too
Two of the best players ever to play basketball
Incredible memories and stories. 11:27 Shannon agrees with a wholesome smile=)
The transcendent relationship dynamic between Michael Jordan (mentor) and Kobe Bryant (mentee) applies to every area of relationship life. All people who are great (Michael Jordan) want is someone to mentor that wants to be great and grind like they do (kobe bryant). In many areas of life people want to be mentored but they disappoint the mentor because they won't grind like the mentor. Kobe got Michael's attention because he was "about that life"
Great segment !!
MJ, Kobe, and D.Wade were trained by this man.
Well said... Tim Grover is a gem of a guy, so insightful... Stay Golden
Great interview. One of their best. Better than these so-called 'celebrity' interviews such as Snoop Dog FFS.
I'm up at 3am most days anyways....Let's get to work Tim! 🥇
I love the mentality that Tim have, it is Michael’s mentality Win at All Cost! And Tim came out as a Winner too in my book!
Any new person that comes on the show...
Everyone: "More of him please..."
One of the greatest trainers of all time, Tim Grover.
Impressive obvious finals MJ 6-0,KB 5-2. I appreciate Michael showing up to Kobe Memorial last year and Hall Of Fame this year.
I love his interview on his book such an eye opener much respect to this man and what he has gone threw 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
One of ur best interviews
Wow I love this interview!
Tim Grover praising the Two finest GOATS the basketball world has ever seen
Still missing Kobe like it happened yesterday.
A perfect fit for the myth.
Really good interview 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
MJ had charisma. Bald head for aerodynamics. Beautiful form. LeBron doesn't have as much of it. People will still be wearing Jordans 100 years from now. Sing Be Like Mike. MJ is Star Wars, Superman, and Batman. Forever.
In 100 years no one will even think of Jordan. Some young stud of that time will be seen as the best.
*lebron proceeds to shave his head*
Pretty sure he had a bald head because he was losing his hair lol....it ain't swimming
Also people will still be saying "Kobe" when shooting anything into a trash can or whatever else in the future.
LeBron's game isn't fun or pretty to watch as Jordan and Kobe's to be remembered for decades.
@@manuelsoto598 Naw, his name will be easy remember and known. He has the advantage to be in the modern time and have a global successful Brand barring his name. Do some research into history
MJ is a monster! Just a different mindset. A whole different breed
No he is human like all of us
Well spoken. Looking forward to reading your book
Queen Kathy
So much fitness on display in this clip 💪
This was awesome!!!
This is a great segment.
When you watch and listen to this video in detail you will realize that the difference between the Elite and the common ones on the Basketball court is that they took the traditional to the extreme to present the best result.
Russel about to have the best season of his career
His basketball IQ is too low. Nor does he have the emotional intelligence to have enough self awareness.
@@Topagendadolla what?
Russel Wilson 🙄
With no offensive line, I doubt it.
@@Topagendadolla rent free, he was talking about Wilson
I NEED THIS BOOK
Profound interview
Great interview. I always love talking about Michael Jeffrey Jordan. My all-time favorite celebrity. As much as I love Kurt Cobain, he still ranks below MJ. I guess because MJ is so marketable. I love buying Jordan apparel.
From the sound of this….Kobe was even more of a Mad Man than even Jordan was😂
yeah , no
@@mantoniol24 Yeah, yes
@@mantoniol24 did you listen to what grover said? He was kobe was more deranged and crazier then Jordan.
My apologies, I misread , I thought he said more of a man, didn't read the Mad part
If Kobe was trying to outdo Jordan, he had to be crazier!!
Don't forget he also trained D Wade also beside MJ and Kobe
Gotta disagree with Skip. MJ was chasing Magic Johnson and Larry Bird. MJ said so.
He was chasing them in accomplishments, not in how they played. Kobe was obsessed with copying everything MJ, how he walked, talked even tried sticking his tongue out.
wow a real guest that i want to listen to
Great segment
Jordan and kobe is something we as a people have lost when it comes to sacrifice and determination. If anyone acted like jordan or kobe these days they would call you crazy...
gotta give it to Undisputed this is the perfect guy to have on with 2 work out warriors skip and shannon
Tim Grover "The 👑 of Sports Trainers"
TIM IS LIKE THE MAYSTRO. HE BRINGS IN THE BALANCE, RYTHM & TIMMING.
Iconic moment!
EAS! Shannon got me started on creatine in the mid-90s. I was in 9th or 10th grade and watched a special on ESPN about Creatine and that started me in the supplement game. 24 years later I'm still in the fitness industry.
Tim Grover is key on weightlifting
07:20 that was a good question Skip.
I love this guy