Obviously he can’t read without glasses - happens to all of us sooner or later. So maybe he only half wants to admit to himself that he’s getting older?
My first thought when i started playing this video is "wow this guy has a nice british accent, he sounds really intelligent" Then he puts on a monocle and I almost spit out my coffee
I used an SM57 for 80's metal vocals, it works nicely when doing renditions or recreations of that very dry (mids) album sound. SM58 was used for years afterwards, people who attended liked the SM57 better for the tribute concerts. I didn't use pop filters on either. Excellent video, thank you.
Came for the comparison. Subbed as soon as the monocle went in!. Nice to see someone keeping the solo glass alive. Good comparison too. What I've learnt is, I need to find out more about mics before I buy one. Cheers. Chris
My voice sounds a bit like David Gilmour’s voice, yup lol. And I’ve always liked using the 57 for live performance. I do not use a pop screen on the sm57 when I use it for vocals. The fact that you can get closer to the diagram allows you to work the mic and attain a deeper sound when you get close to it. You have to be a bit more careful to avoid getting “pops” but it’s not a big problem. I do prefer the 57 over the 58 for vocals but it’s a completely subjective opinion and they are similar. On McCartney 3, Paul’s Vocal on the hit song “Find my Way” was recorded with a sm57 through a vintage preamp and to the daw.
This guy is so relaxing to listen to. Definitely subscribing (also sorry I have nothing to comment on. I'm watching this late at night without earphones lol)
@@bagikertas1028 not without foam or pop filter. Many singers used SM57 for recording and as you can hear in this great comparison differences between SM57 and SM58 are very subtle (at least to my ears). Therefore I will be not buying SM58 as I already have SM57. What I will probably get though is genuine Shure foam designed for SM57 coded as A2WS.
There was a British band called The Pentangle (lead singer Jacqui McShee, guitarists Bert Jansch and John Renbourn, double bass player Danny Thompson, drums Terry Cox). I love their music very much, especially the traditional numbers like Willie O’Winsbury and Cruel Sister. On UA-cam there are several songs performed on Swedish television 1972, and you see SM57s all over the place. I didn’t give it much thought until a few days ago when I stumbled over a comparison between five or six microphones all around the same price level, and the SM57 and SM58 were among them. The man was just testing them on his acoustic steel string guitar, and he didn’t play particularly well. But there was just something about that SM57 that I loved. I don’t think it’s objectively better, so I have to put it down to nostalgia. So I ordered another one to add to the one I bought 4 days before this video was posted. I had never imagined that the sound of a particular microphone would even be a thing for me. I never understood how anyone can possibly prefer the sound of a vinyl record over the sound of a CD, but now I think I get it: that too must be for nostalgic reasons. (I’ve seen countless attempts to logically prove vinyl is better, but none of them seem convincing. What my own ears tell me is a lot more compelling). So why don’t I love the vinyl sound for similar nostalgic reasons? I don’t know, but the pickup noise is probably to blame.
10:39 I can understand that. When I bought my first mic, the SM58, I had joined a working band. The band leader told me I’d have to buy my own mic for singing background. Coming from FM radio (as a DJ), I had no idea what kind of mic I’d need for live stage performances. He told me to get a Shure SM58. So I did. It’s been a solid go-to mic for many vocalists since the 1960’s.
Absolutely the best man on the internet. For testing Mic's ,does says, in Acts, exactly what we need to hear for a great demo of a microphone.. kudos to you sir.. I've done bought several based on your analysis, these companies definitely need to pay you!! You're expert level in your field, hats off to you brilliantly done..
Coming round to the side, coming round to the side, you can hear the rejection coming, nice rejection going on there!... sounds like a football match commentary 😂
Every UA-cam video I ever heard comparing SM57 with SM58 had me preferring the 57 for vocals. I bought both and found that I wasn't as enchanted with the 57 when it was my own voice going through it. Perhaps surprisingly to some of you, it was the predecessor to the SM58, the 565SD, that I really enjoyed the sound of my voice through, and so I'm still using it today, more than any of the others in the studio. I should mention that when I did these comparisons I wasn't comfortable using the 57 without one of Shure's windscreens, and that may have been a factor in not liking it as much with my voice as I do the 58 or 565.
The 57 is a legend and must be on at least 60% of all pop recordings and in reality there aren’t really that many other options for the cost of these multi tasking mics add in fantastic marketing. The 4- 6khz lift is present in just about all vocal mics that is the industry standard design and like the introduction of seatbelts or smoke free zones no one will risk change alone it’s to risky if all mics had a flat frequency response how would you have product placement? The singer wants his own mic, the drummer another etc and it’s now being incorporated into your audio interfaces with the SSL and Focusrite with their boosts or air in the 4-6 kHz range buttons. Home digital super clean recording is a relatively new phenomenon the 57 is a 50+ year transformer design from the analogue era of the 1/4” tape and its deficiencies are there design wise by today’s standards. Digital cleanliness contains no nostalgia value I can’t think of to much recorded over the last twenty years or so myself that pops into my head like 70s or 80s tunes and I’m not alone in thinking this eventually all those unknown bands from way back will be discovered. You could say the 57/8 are character mics by today’s standards that approximate the sound of a bygone era and now the days of the Recording Studio are over and we’re all home recording they have a certain cache that connects with us the past. With corona and the possibility that so many venues will close there may be a change in the future for Shure but I think after 50 years these mics are here for the long run like the Beyer m88 as we all look back to seemingly better times. Sorry if that sounds a bit rambling I love the 57 everything about it from it’s durability to its futuristic design to, Lennons vocal on Instant Karma... There’s not much else in life design wise that is still in production for so long. This mic designer has some interesting things to say about the 6khz bump around the 12 minute mark for those with pressing business and little time to view... ua-cam.com/video/niZizzHBanA/v-deo.html Here’s the circuit being removed. ua-cam.com/video/oNakLURrKig/v-deo.html.
Thanks for your in depth comment - I will watch your links with a glass of wine this evening. I agree in that I think the 57 & 58 are like the Fender Telecaster. Basic designs but still rockin' half a century later. You mention marketing and I think this brings us nearer to a truth. The Beyerdynamic predates the SM58 by some years (1962) and is technically a way superior microphone. 30Hz - 20kHz, fast and smooth but maybe not so drop resistant. It can sound like a nicer 58, if you roll the bass off (as I imagine Phil Collins must have done). I think the way forward may be fast, clean, full & flat frequency microphones running into mic emulators, giving you any mic sound you fancy! Guitarists have been doing it for a while now.
These mics are a solid budget choice if you have an untreated, noisy room. The isolation is good, and a condenser will never sound good in a noisy room. In a perfect world, you have a nice recording environment and some solid condensers.
@@ecedorsay 7b is a higher quality mic than the sm57 ot 58. I just haven't ever used it. I would assume it's good. Basically, I'm just saying dynamic over compressor in untreatd room. I don't need a cloud filter for my mics, but they do push the limits of the Behringer interface. I do get away with enough headroom/noisefloor for sure though. A cloudfilter I bet would make them sound even better though. I cant speak to the 7b. From audio tests on UA-cam the 7b doesnt sound better really, just different. I don't think it justifies the price increase, but that's a matter of opinion and most consider it the better mic.
Dustin Mulligan So maybe a sm57 n 58 would be enough to record my acoustic guitar and vocals in an untreated room. Not a demo but for an album. i also have rode condenser stage mic. hand held type. confused about what to get for my untreated room.
@@ecedorsay I don't even bother with condensers in my untreated room. Here hold on. I just wrote a massive reply to someone else. I will paste it here, I go into detail. He basically wanted to know if he should get condesnser or dynamics for his untreated room, and my answer is insnaely releveant to your question: "Here is my experience. 4 or 5 years ago I bought a condenser. I have an untreated room. The highs were out of control, and so I had to cut off a lot of top end, resulting in muddy mixes. Or roll off the bottom end because it didn't handle lows well either. My mixes came out very mid heavy, and bland in hindsight. I got another condenser after, but didn't help much. Granted, the condenser was a Blue Nessie USB mic ($100 CAD) and aren't known to be very good quality. Still I was disappointed at how much I had to process the signals to get them sounding bearable. Super harsh otherwise. PIcked up traffic, creaks and fret noise, fans etc. I record vocals and acoustic btw. I didn't do much research at the time, and the general consensus is, use condenser for acoustic/vocal. That's ideal, but doesn't take into account untreated rooms. About a year ago I got an sm57 and a low cost interface (umc204hd) and was instantly sooo much happier with the quality. So much more dynamic range to play with, which just occured to me is why they call them dynamic I guess. Not long after I got the 58. They isolate really well, so one pointed down at my guitar, one upwards for vocals and I can get really good isolated mono tracks for vox and guitar, with the benefit of a live performance.... My mixes sound great, like passable for a live mainstream album, ALMOST. haha. They also pair well for stereo guitar tracks. The sm57 sounds quite rich to me. Maybe not as rich as the RE20, but it has a nice warm almost fuzzy quality to it. It suits my singing really well, and my tuned down guitar. Sm 58 is nearly the same, and little brighter. If recording music, maybe consider two mics if you can afford it. Also dynamics are tough, which is great actually if you are moving them around a lot. Condensers would not survive the way I'm able to handle the sm mics. The thing I noticed with condensers, is when you have to start cutting away frequencies to make up for an untreated room, you lose dynamic frequency range and that kills a mix. You are left with no room to alter the signal how you really want it. Also background hiss is a huge problem leaving you with either a super quiet clean mix, or adequate volume but with background hiss. The hiss sounds bad and makes mixing a drag. One thing I noticed, these clean dynamic signals are much more responsive to plugins and you can easily make mixes sound rich and full with some good EQ, compression, reverb, tape saturation, the whole nine yards if you want. The FAB plugins are solid... Anyhow I hope this helps a bit. I am not against condensers and don't know what your using them for, but for my situation, dynamics all the way, hands down."
@@AntonBrowne Yeah borrow it all you want I'm honoured haha. It's a very recognizable thing to me because I've seen so many venues and gigs where you can hear they use a 58 because the voice has that quality. Also now that I got your attention I gotta comment on that guitar thing you said at the end: What would you reccommend on an electric guitar? I think the 57 is popular because it makes guitars work in a mix easily. I think the tube amp and expensive cab and all that jazz you mentioned is a lot of the time just making the guitarist play better because it sounds good in the room and the amp has good dynamics. It's harder to improvise a soulful blues solo on an amp modeller even if the end product sounds the same.
A very excellent (and incredibly relaxing) review! It doesn't seem to make sense to you because you are performer. And as a performer, it makes sense for you to use whatever microphone you think would be best suited for your voice! But if you're one of the people who actively works behind the scenes, the engineers and the technician that makes the performance happen, it makes perfect sense to use something like the SM58/57. Not because its the best nor is it the most prolific microphone. But because every person who works on the nitty gritty details knows it, how it sounds, how to work with it, and more. It makes working together much easier because almost everyone knows it, how it sounds, how to work with it, and more. It makes finding pesky resonant frequencies much easier since almost everyone knows it, how it sounds, how to work with it, and more. I could go on! And since everyone's on the same page, it makes collaborating to make the sound for your audience much more pleasing. Its the same deal witht he MDR7506 headphone. I don't like how it sounds but I still use it because its the standard default headphone for monitoring. Because if I use this headphone for monitoring, and other people use it for monitoring, then they would be able to pick up the same things I'm picking up which makes communication MUCH easier. So, really, if you truly want the best for your mic, I personally wouldn't go for the shiny new fancy ones. I'd go with the tried and true. The old reliable workhorse that's sure to the job done and do more after.
Great video my friend! The mics are so close, if you can only afford to get one, get the one you would use the most as vocal or instrument. The remaining tracks will still work... and by the time you EQ, mix and release a song for someone to hear... no one in the normal world will know the difference anyway. Just make your art and move on...
just found this channel im glad to see its doing so well keep up the good work. i own an sm57 that im intending to use for both vocals and instrument i do hope thats ok.
Haha, “why would you use this?” Thanks, I just bought the SM57 and received it four days ago. Perfect timing! LOL But I won’t return it. I think it deserves a chance. And over in America their presidents have been using it since Lyndon Johnson. I know that doesn’t prove anything, other than that it’s ar least usable, but they probably don’t know.
But to answer your question it’s a very good clean mic. That’s why you would use the SM57 so as to best capture the sound that you’ve acquired. It’s a very clean clear mic that sounds as good as a condenser mic.
Thank you. Each to his own but I figure this is kind-of 'art' as is music making in some aspects. I'm too slow/detailed/considered and sometimes just wrong for some. I try to be thorough because folk can skip or stop. I'm glad you enjoy my offerings.
Hi Anton, the SM57, combined with a Royer121, indeed remained the number one guitar cab mic till today: For 12' or 10' guitar speakers the somehow limited top end frequency response of the SM57 is still by far exceeding the speaker frequency response range: There is no 'air' band (12kHz and above) transmitted by guitar cab speakers anyway. But the SM57 has this nice bite which helps to maintain a clear, open guitar sound. When close-micing a guitar cab it's getting loud, thus the rather low sensitivity of the SM57 is no issue either. To add some warmth you can combine it with a ribbon (e.g. Royer 121) and mix these together to your taste - this way you retain some flexibility for post-production, too. Tim Pierce released a very nice video on that topic: ua-cam.com/video/vHc6DEA9PHE/v-deo.html
I use both but after this demo I can’t tell much between then .In a mix I would never hear the diff . Have tried others but for vocals I always com back to the 58
Really useful video. I've already got a 57 I use for micing guitars and was looking to get a 58 for occasional vocal use. I think I'll just use a pop filter on the 57 for now and get a SE condenser for added versatility.
Thank you for this video I've been researching the reason behind my madness of why my sm57 has been my studio workhorse for the 30 years, I'm bought all kinds of crazy but hands down the frequency response, on the sm57 or the sm58 makes me have to do a heck of a lot less work in post-production
It's the coloring of the mic. When you want to record you may want that sound that you hear in the old recordings of the bands of the 80's and 90's. That is just is complete different if you use a high quality condenser mic that will record a much richer but different sound.
I hate to say it, but I agree. I have always like the smaller, more steamlined look of the 57 as opposed to that big round globe. I thought I was the only one!!
57 feels more open and airy, but not necessarily in a good way. It doesn't seem keen at recordning multiple notes at once, it makes it sound a bit muddy.
I love the sm57 and sm58, I think they can work on so many sources, there's a good reason every body uses them! Not necessarily saying they're the best but they're extremely reliable and people understand their behaviour - which is especially useful in a live context. This is a great example of the Sm57 being used to great effect ua-cam.com/video/Qkh3LYlwaFo/v-deo.html
Short of searching on ebay for a pre-1985 SM57/58, you can mod your post-1985 model by either removing entirely or swapping the stock audio transformer with a replacement T-58 from AMI TAB Funkenwerks for ~$90 USD. If you go without the transformer, be aware it drops your gain by 10dB (decibels). You can compensate by adding in-line a Cloudlifter CL-1 (~$150 USD), but only if the sound you're picking up is quiet. If it's drums or guitar amps, go without. The Shure SM7b is in fact a transformerless SM57...on stereroids, according to Shure, Inc.
Thank you, but my voice is not my doing! If I were to choose between the two, I would go with the 58 (for vocals) you can always remove the grille if you choose.
Any idea why the USA Whitehouse chose SM57 since its inception and has not really strayed from it? See a picture of a US president with mics before him and those will be a Shure SM57. Any idea why since I think the 58 sounds better and considering the 57 is for instruments, mainly, there has to be a reason but I could not find that out.
I'm guessing marketing. I remember asking a sound tech at a top London club why they only had Shure mics to offer visiting singers. He said Shure gave them a great deal on all the mics they needed, as long as Shure were the ONLY mics seen on that famous stage. Shure is an American company, the SM57 probably does the job well enough. It's great advertising for Shure and they probably did a deal in supplying the government. In other words, nothing to do with the mic itself!
@@AntonBrowne I think you are right as I went a little deeper into my research and found that Shure boasts about being the chosen microphone of every president since 1965.
Hi Anton, love your videos. I'm a male singer. I already own a Shure 58. Question. From a purely subjective viewpoint, which mic would actually make my voice sound BETTER , in your opinion? Or are they virtually identical in this regard??
@@AntonBrowne Thanks! I only wish somebody would talk about the Shure 85 with the ON/OFF switch, which I have. It is so incredible handy in terms of instantly silencing any feedback issues (a major problem with ANY mic), and so incredibly robust, that I have never had a malfunction with them in over 50-years. But nobody on the entire internet even talks about it. Weird.
There is a noticeable hum or noise in the SM57 compared to sM58. In my copies I found the SM58 to have less noise and the voice just came through nice and clear with gain set at 60%. The SM57 had some hum or noise at 40-50% gain. I still wonder what the humming is. I also notice a slight hiss in SM57.
@@thisissonotafakeaccount I would be plugging the guitar into an audio unit, which is linked to the computer by a USB cable. This unit amplifies the signal and allows you to adjust levels. Take a took at the Roland Quad Capture. Then software on the computer is told too listen to the guitar and then record if you want.
i have a sound card MOTU M4 and i must to pain gain very hard to have sound and you have a very good sound you !!!how do you make this ? I'm deseperated
I've been thinking the same thing, $2500 guitar rig into a $99 Mic...hum... Everytime my amp gets miced I feel like I lose my beloved chime. I've been thinking of investing in a good mic for amp micing, but I don't know which one is good but still affordable. I've been thinking about the sennhieser e906
@@AntonBrowne By gosh... you're absolutely right. I get too caught up in the prices. The shure mics do color our sound, so the effort we put into making our sound the way we want is going to be altered anyway by the shure mic. I just saw your Earthworks reviews. Never heard of a flat response microphone before, but it makes sense now that you put into light how painstaking the effort we put into our "tone", not to mention the quality of our singing voice (I, too am learning to sing) and I realize the shure mics would alter my voice! I'm now shooting for the Earthworks mics, thanks to your videos. :)
Can u tell me which one is better for echoey room?? If not one of these mics can u recommend me another mic? Bc i have rode nt1a and it picks up the echo
Very much worth mentioning industry standard on snare drum .. the best ...and drum toms great, alway through drum kit , micing a drum kit.. with exception of not on kick drum..
At least somebody told the truth about this mic. I would like to add: When you buy a SM57 it shapes your sound to a degree that can´t be changed/repaired in your mixng device or whatever you plug it into. Wouldn´t it be much better to shape your sound with your instrument and amp only and use a neutral mic? I compared the SM57 with a Beyerdynamic M201 and M88 - it was like comparing an old radio of the Stone Age to a modern one.
@@georgezorbas6422 Well, at least their top and middle class mics are better, that´s for sure. I made a shootout in my studio quite some years ago. I had 6 vocal mics and my SM58. They all sounded way better than the 58, moreso the 58 sounded like a vintage transistor radio in comparison. So - in the end the Beyerdynamic TG-X81 won the shootout and since then I followed Beyer when it comes to dynamic mics. By the way, the M88 is a superb vocal mic as well.
Have never liked these "industry standard" microphones, just sound like they are in a bucket of mud, yes I agree why would you use these things to mic up anything, the absolute entry level on instruments should be the Shure Beta 57A and the Shure Beta 58A on vocals. my goodness even your hummmms & ommmmms sound INSANELY GOOD!
i will trust anyone who wears a monocle.
Be cautious!
wait how does he even keep it up there?
@@mysiph Pinch the eyebrow...
Obviously.
Same
Me: "I like his voice, sounds classy."
Anton: *puts on monocle*
Me: "Holy shit."
Holy shit
Obviously he can’t read without glasses - happens to all of us sooner or later. So maybe he only half wants to admit to himself that he’s getting older?
Same here! haha
@@skakdosmer or maybe he is just cool as fuck
He has no business being _this_ classy.
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My first thought when i started playing this video is "wow this guy has a nice british accent, he sounds really intelligent" Then he puts on a monocle and I almost spit out my coffee
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I always wanted a monocle as a kid
@@theoutsiderjess1869 now I also want 1
He wears a monocle, I'm listening to everything he says.
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David Gilmour speaking
Omfg so true
HAHAH yes!
Enjoyed this immensely. I’ve had both these mics for over 20 years. I now think the 57 is far more versatile than I’ve previously thought! Thanks.
Best review and comparison I've come across!!
Thank you for this
Glad it was helpful!
Unintentional ASMR haha.
oh yeah thats the tingles
I am happy Mike Tyson is doing good with his time and he changed so much for good as he aged
Hah, cheers!
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Few days back brought sm58, using for vocals, its sounds wonderful and smooth, very easy for eq, almost no eq needed.
Thank you for review
I used an SM57 for 80's metal vocals, it works nicely when doing renditions or recreations of that very dry (mids) album sound. SM58 was used for years afterwards, people who attended liked the SM57 better for the tribute concerts. I didn't use pop filters on either. Excellent video, thank you.
Same! 57 has a lift that makes it prominent in a mix.
Came for the comparison. Subbed as soon as the monocle went in!. Nice to see someone keeping the solo glass alive. Good comparison too. What I've learnt is, I need to find out more about mics before I buy one. Cheers. Chris
My voice sounds a bit like David Gilmour’s voice, yup lol. And I’ve always liked using the 57 for live performance. I do not use a pop screen on the sm57 when I use it for vocals. The fact that you can get closer to the diagram allows you to work the mic and attain a deeper sound when you get close to it. You have to be a bit more careful to avoid getting “pops” but it’s not a big problem. I do prefer the 57 over the 58 for vocals but it’s a completely subjective opinion and they are similar. On McCartney 3, Paul’s Vocal on the hit song “Find my Way” was recorded with a sm57 through a vintage preamp and to the daw.
Thanks for the info.
I was thinking about buying a sm57. As soon as I read "McCartney used one" I made up my mind
Probably you've heard that Mccartney has used the SM7 for his vocals. The SM57 is mainly for instruments
Ι bought the SM57 in 2002 to use it with my vocoder and to sample my own drum sounds. Very very good and it is still going strong!
This guy is so relaxing to listen to. Definitely subscribing
(also sorry I have nothing to comment on. I'm watching this late at night without earphones lol)
Thanks for the video. Really good explanation, you can clearly hear the difference. For me, SM57 is the way to go for vocals aswell.
the noise picked by the 57 when close to the desk, its because the lack of the metal grill, that acts as electromagnetic shield
Really good mic reviews as usual, I think the SM58 sounds really good on male spoken voice, although I think it can be a bit muddy on male vocals.
SM57 for guitar cabs and snare drums, SM58 for vocals :)
Basically.
Hey bro so sm57 its not recommend for live voc?
@@bagikertas1028 not without foam or pop filter. Many singers used SM57 for recording and as you can hear in this great comparison differences between SM57 and SM58 are very subtle (at least to my ears). Therefore I will be not buying SM58 as I already have SM57. What I will probably get though is genuine Shure foam designed for SM57 coded as A2WS.
There was a British band called The Pentangle (lead singer Jacqui McShee, guitarists Bert Jansch and John Renbourn, double bass player Danny Thompson, drums Terry Cox). I love their music very much, especially the traditional numbers like Willie O’Winsbury and Cruel Sister. On UA-cam there are several songs performed on Swedish television 1972, and you see SM57s all over the place.
I didn’t give it much thought until a few days ago when I stumbled over a comparison between five or six microphones all around the same price level, and the SM57 and SM58 were among them. The man was just testing them on his acoustic steel string guitar, and he didn’t play particularly well. But there was just something about that SM57 that I loved. I don’t think it’s objectively better, so I have to put it down to nostalgia. So I ordered another one to add to the one I bought 4 days before this video was posted. I had never imagined that the sound of a particular microphone would even be a thing for me.
I never understood how anyone can possibly prefer the sound of a vinyl record over the sound of a CD, but now I think I get it: that too must be for nostalgic reasons. (I’ve seen countless attempts to logically prove vinyl is better, but none of them seem convincing. What my own ears tell me is a lot more compelling). So why don’t I love the vinyl sound for similar nostalgic reasons? I don’t know, but the pickup noise is probably to blame.
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I can understand that. When I bought my first mic, the SM58, I had joined a working band. The band leader told me I’d have to buy my own mic for singing background. Coming from FM radio (as a DJ), I had no idea what kind of mic I’d need for live stage performances. He told me to get a Shure SM58. So I did. It’s been a solid go-to mic for many vocalists since the 1960’s.
This is very good work sir, thank you. I’m just in need of a simple additional mic for talkback and occasional vocal work 😊
Ok this dude is enchanting. I can’t get enough.
Are you gay?
Absolutely the best man on the internet. For testing Mic's ,does says, in Acts, exactly what we need to hear for a great demo of a microphone.. kudos to you sir..
I've done bought several based on your analysis, these companies definitely need to pay you!! You're expert level in your field, hats off to you brilliantly done..
Wow, thanks!
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Coming round to the side, coming round to the side, you can hear the rejection coming, nice rejection going on there!... sounds like a football match commentary 😂
There is a small bit of foam on the inside of the cap on the 57
Against my intuition I found I preferred the SM57 as a vocal mic throughout this whole video.
Then try for yourself - easy enough as most everybody stocks them.
Every UA-cam video I ever heard comparing SM57 with SM58 had me preferring the 57 for vocals. I bought both and found that I wasn't as enchanted with the 57 when it was my own voice going through it. Perhaps surprisingly to some of you, it was the predecessor to the SM58, the 565SD, that I really enjoyed the sound of my voice through, and so I'm still using it today, more than any of the others in the studio.
I should mention that when I did these comparisons I wasn't comfortable using the 57 without one of Shure's windscreens, and that may have been a factor in not liking it as much with my voice as I do the 58 or 565.
The 57 is a legend and must be on at least 60% of all pop recordings and in reality there aren’t really that many other options for the cost of these multi tasking mics add in fantastic marketing.
The 4- 6khz lift is present in just about all vocal mics that is the industry standard design and like the introduction of seatbelts or smoke free zones no one will risk change alone it’s to risky if all mics had a flat frequency response how would you have product placement? The singer wants his own mic, the drummer another etc and it’s now being incorporated into your audio interfaces with the SSL and Focusrite with their boosts or air in the 4-6 kHz range buttons.
Home digital super clean recording is a relatively new phenomenon the 57 is a 50+ year transformer design from the analogue era of the 1/4” tape and its deficiencies are there design wise by today’s standards. Digital cleanliness contains no nostalgia value I can’t think of to much recorded over the last twenty years or so myself that pops into my head like 70s or 80s tunes and I’m not alone in thinking this eventually all those unknown bands from way back will be discovered.
You could say the 57/8 are character mics by today’s standards that approximate the sound of a bygone era and now the days of the Recording Studio are over and we’re all home recording they have a certain cache that connects with us the past.
With corona and the possibility that so many venues will close there may be a change in the future for Shure but I think after 50 years these mics are here for the long run like the Beyer m88 as we all look back to seemingly better times. Sorry if that sounds a bit rambling I love the 57 everything about it from it’s durability to its futuristic design to, Lennons vocal on Instant Karma... There’s not much else in life design wise that is still in production for so long.
This mic designer has some interesting things to say about the 6khz bump around the 12 minute mark for those with pressing business and little time to view... ua-cam.com/video/niZizzHBanA/v-deo.html Here’s the circuit being removed. ua-cam.com/video/oNakLURrKig/v-deo.html.
Thanks for your in depth comment - I will watch your links with a glass of wine this evening. I agree in that I think the 57 & 58 are like the Fender Telecaster. Basic designs but still rockin' half a century later. You mention marketing and I think this brings us nearer to a truth. The Beyerdynamic predates the SM58 by some years (1962) and is technically a way superior microphone. 30Hz - 20kHz, fast and smooth but maybe not so drop resistant. It can sound like a nicer 58, if you roll the bass off (as I imagine Phil Collins must have done). I think the way forward may be fast, clean, full & flat frequency microphones running into mic emulators, giving you any mic sound you fancy! Guitarists have been doing it for a while now.
I enjoy your mic reviews thanks; subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
These mics are a solid budget choice if you have an untreated, noisy room. The isolation is good, and a condenser will never sound good in a noisy room. In a perfect world, you have a nice recording environment and some solid condensers.
Dustin Mulligan a review says sm7b is the better option n i am confused. plus do we need a cloud filter as well?
@@ecedorsay 7b is a higher quality mic than the sm57 ot 58. I just haven't ever used it. I would assume it's good. Basically, I'm just saying dynamic over compressor in untreatd room. I don't need a cloud filter for my mics, but they do push the limits of the Behringer interface. I do get away with enough headroom/noisefloor for sure though. A cloudfilter I bet would make them sound even better though. I cant speak to the 7b. From audio tests on UA-cam the 7b doesnt sound better really, just different. I don't think it justifies the price increase, but that's a matter of opinion and most consider it the better mic.
Dustin Mulligan So maybe a sm57 n 58 would be enough to record my acoustic guitar and vocals in an untreated room.
Not a demo but for an album. i also have rode condenser stage mic. hand held type. confused about what to get for my untreated room.
@@ecedorsay I don't even bother with condensers in my untreated room. Here hold on. I just wrote a massive reply to someone else. I will paste it here, I go into detail. He basically wanted to know if he should get condesnser or dynamics for his untreated room, and my answer is insnaely releveant to your question:
"Here is my experience. 4 or 5 years ago I bought a condenser. I have an untreated room. The highs were out of control, and so I had to cut off a lot of top end, resulting in muddy mixes. Or roll off the bottom end because it didn't handle lows well either. My mixes came out very mid heavy, and bland in hindsight. I got another condenser after, but didn't help much. Granted, the condenser was a Blue Nessie USB mic ($100 CAD) and aren't known to be very good quality. Still I was disappointed at how much I had to process the signals to get them sounding bearable. Super harsh otherwise. PIcked up traffic, creaks and fret noise, fans etc. I record vocals and acoustic btw. I didn't do much research at the time, and the general consensus is, use condenser for acoustic/vocal. That's ideal, but doesn't take into account untreated rooms.
About a year ago I got an sm57 and a low cost interface (umc204hd) and was instantly sooo much happier with the quality. So much more dynamic range to play with, which just occured to me is why they call them dynamic I guess. Not long after I got the 58. They isolate really well, so one pointed down at my guitar, one upwards for vocals and I can get really good isolated mono tracks for vox and guitar, with the benefit of a live performance.... My mixes sound great, like passable for a live mainstream album, ALMOST. haha. They also pair well for stereo guitar tracks. The sm57 sounds quite rich to me. Maybe not as rich as the RE20, but it has a nice warm almost fuzzy quality to it. It suits my singing really well, and my tuned down guitar. Sm 58 is nearly the same, and little brighter. If recording music, maybe consider two mics if you can afford it. Also dynamics are tough, which is great actually if you are moving them around a lot. Condensers would not survive the way I'm able to handle the sm mics.
The thing I noticed with condensers, is when you have to start cutting away frequencies to make up for an untreated room, you lose dynamic frequency range and that kills a mix. You are left with no room to alter the signal how you really want it. Also background hiss is a huge problem leaving you with either a super quiet clean mix, or adequate volume but with background hiss. The hiss sounds bad and makes mixing a drag. One thing I noticed, these clean dynamic signals are much more responsive to plugins and you can easily make mixes sound rich and full with some good EQ, compression, reverb, tape saturation, the whole nine yards if you want. The FAB plugins are solid...
Anyhow I hope this helps a bit. I am not against condensers and don't know what your using them for, but for my situation, dynamics all the way, hands down."
@@d-rockanomaly9243 thank you. A top comment.
Greatly appreciated sir Browne! As always, major thanks for this indepth review comparison!
My pleasure!
Great vid! Really helpful. Thank you Anton
Glad it was helpful!
@@AntonBrowne it was! Just bought an SM57. :)
Thank you sir. I like our gentlemanly style too. I need to invest in a spec like that!
Thank you very much Anton for this comparison. You've helped me decide. Cheers. Mike.
Many people try to copy classic sounds, and the sm57 was a part of that. Its a solid inexpensive option.
I think you are right, I see the 58 & 57 as the 'Telecasters' of the microphone world!
I like to use them along with a SDC on my guitar amp for metal. With the 57 on the edge of the cap and the SDC near the center of the cone.
The thing I dislike in the 58 is the low mid rumbly woofines which is less there in the 57
'low mid rumbly woofines' well put, I might borrow that description from you.
@@AntonBrowne Yeah borrow it all you want I'm honoured haha.
It's a very recognizable thing to me because I've seen so many venues and gigs where you can hear they use a 58 because the voice has that quality.
Also now that I got your attention I gotta comment on that guitar thing you said at the end:
What would you reccommend on an electric guitar? I think the 57 is popular because it makes guitars work in a mix easily. I think the tube amp and expensive cab and all that jazz you mentioned is a lot of the time just making the guitarist play better because it sounds good in the room and the amp has good dynamics.
It's harder to improvise a soulful blues solo on an amp modeller even if the end product sounds the same.
A very excellent (and incredibly relaxing) review! It doesn't seem to make sense to you because you are performer. And as a performer, it makes sense for you to use whatever microphone you think would be best suited for your voice!
But if you're one of the people who actively works behind the scenes, the engineers and the technician that makes the performance happen, it makes perfect sense to use something like the SM58/57. Not because its the best nor is it the most prolific microphone. But because every person who works on the nitty gritty details knows it, how it sounds, how to work with it, and more. It makes working together much easier because almost everyone knows it, how it sounds, how to work with it, and more. It makes finding pesky resonant frequencies much easier since almost everyone knows it, how it sounds, how to work with it, and more. I could go on! And since everyone's on the same page, it makes collaborating to make the sound for your audience much more pleasing.
Its the same deal witht he MDR7506 headphone. I don't like how it sounds but I still use it because its the standard default headphone for monitoring. Because if I use this headphone for monitoring, and other people use it for monitoring, then they would be able to pick up the same things I'm picking up which makes communication MUCH easier.
So, really, if you truly want the best for your mic, I personally wouldn't go for the shiny new fancy ones. I'd go with the tried and true. The old reliable workhorse that's sure to the job done and do more after.
Thanks for your extensive comment and info, which inspired my recent video.
Great video my friend! The mics are so close, if you can only afford to get one, get the one you would use the most as vocal or instrument. The remaining tracks will still work... and by the time you EQ, mix and release a song for someone to hear... no one in the normal world will know the difference anyway. Just make your art and move on...
The SM57 only has a bare diaphragm on the inside. The diaphragm is also fairly stiff and the capsule is metal.
just found this channel im glad to see its doing so well keep up the good work. i own an sm57 that im intending to use for both vocals and instrument i do hope thats ok.
It will be fine, though you may need a pop filter for vocals, but maybe not! Use it, listen with good headphones, and see.
@@AntonBrowne i own a pop filter as it came with my mic stand i will try to intergrate it into my recordings
Haha, “why would you use this?” Thanks, I just bought the SM57 and received it four days ago. Perfect timing! LOL
But I won’t return it. I think it deserves a chance.
And over in America their presidents have been using it since Lyndon Johnson. I know that doesn’t prove anything, other than that it’s ar least usable, but they probably don’t know.
But to answer your question it’s a very good clean mic. That’s why you would use the SM57 so as to best capture the sound that you’ve acquired. It’s a very clean clear mic that sounds as good as a condenser mic.
I’ve been really debating which one to buy as my only microphone in my tiny home studio hobby setup.
I would get the sE V7 in your situation.
@@AntonBrowne thanks! I’ll look into it! You’re the first to give me this option. Many said either sm57 or 58 or audio technica at2020
You got me as a subscriber. I much prefer this type of content over people like Podcastage’s mic reviews.
Thank you. Each to his own but I figure this is kind-of 'art' as is music making in some aspects. I'm too slow/detailed/considered and sometimes just wrong for some. I try to be thorough because folk can skip or stop. I'm glad you enjoy my offerings.
Hi Anton, the SM57, combined with a Royer121, indeed remained the number one guitar cab mic till today: For 12' or 10' guitar speakers the somehow limited top end frequency response of the SM57 is still by far exceeding the speaker frequency response range: There is no 'air' band (12kHz and above) transmitted by guitar cab speakers anyway. But the SM57 has this nice bite which helps to maintain a clear, open guitar sound. When close-micing a guitar cab it's getting loud, thus the rather low sensitivity of the SM57 is no issue either. To add some warmth you can combine it with a ribbon (e.g. Royer 121) and mix these together to your taste - this way you retain some flexibility for post-production, too.
Tim Pierce released a very nice video on that topic: ua-cam.com/video/vHc6DEA9PHE/v-deo.html
Superb video! Thank you, Mr Browne. Your vocal specific content is wonderful to have stumbled upon. Subscribed!
4:39 perfect way to describe it
@ 5:50 the metal ball/ grille can act as a Faraday cage against rogue electromagnetic radiation bombarding the voice coil!
Cheers!
I have nothing else but; perfect comparison video... Will explore your channel a bit.
Please do!
I use both but after this demo I can’t tell much between then .In a mix I would never hear the diff . Have tried others but for vocals I always com back to the 58
“The top does come of the sm57. I’ve looked into how to do it and decided that I wouldn’t…”
Ha ha! Excellent!
Really useful video. I've already got a 57 I use for micing guitars and was looking to get a 58 for occasional vocal use. I think I'll just use a pop filter on the 57 for now and get a SE condenser for added versatility.
Sounds like a plan to me!
Does the a2ws filter fit in the sm58??removing the ball oF course
His speaking voice reminds me of David Gilmore from Pink Floyd
At the end you ask why anyone would use a 57 on instruments, so it left me wondering, what should be used instead in the same price range as the 57??
I think the sEV7X is a more neutral sounding mic for a similar price.
Thank you for this video I've been researching the reason behind my madness of why my sm57 has been my studio workhorse for the 30 years, I'm bought all kinds of crazy but hands down the frequency response, on the sm57 or the sm58 makes me have to do a heck of a lot less work in post-production
Awesome totally agree ,but.what about sm57 without foam ?
It's the coloring of the mic. When you want to record you may want that sound that you hear in the old recordings of the bands of the 80's and 90's. That is just is complete different if you use a high quality condenser mic that will record a much richer but different sound.
Please tell me that you read audiobooks
thought the same
I would go for SM57 because of its look 🤣
I hate to say it, but I agree. I have always like the smaller, more steamlined look of the 57 as opposed to that big round globe. I thought I was the only one!!
The monocle. Brilliant. Thank you so much for the comparison.
57 feels more open and airy, but not necessarily in a good way. It doesn't seem keen at recordning multiple notes at once, it makes it sound a bit muddy.
never seen a man classier than this, good video
You convinced me to get the 58, thanks!
Glad to hear it!
Quite possibly the best voice on UA-cam
Many thanks - though it's not my doing.
@@AntonBrowne but you gotta take advantage of that man, keep it up
This video is like an unintended ASMR for me. Still though.. I bought the SM57
That monocle made me stay
Nice voice but turning point is the moment he looked up and I saw that monocle- I’m a believer 😂
I love the sm57 and sm58, I think they can work on so many sources, there's a good reason every body uses them! Not necessarily saying they're the best but they're extremely reliable and people understand their behaviour - which is especially useful in a live context. This is a great example of the Sm57 being used to great effect ua-cam.com/video/Qkh3LYlwaFo/v-deo.html
What a great review!
Thanks for watching.
Thank you for for posting this, Great info
Glad it was helpful!
what is the name of the microphone on the stand?
Earthworks SV33.
Short of searching on ebay for a pre-1985 SM57/58, you can mod your post-1985 model by either removing entirely or swapping the stock audio transformer with a replacement T-58 from AMI TAB Funkenwerks for ~$90 USD. If you go without the transformer, be aware it drops your gain by 10dB (decibels). You can compensate by adding in-line a Cloudlifter CL-1 (~$150 USD), but only if the sound you're picking up is quiet. If it's drums or guitar amps, go without. The Shure SM7b is in fact a transformerless SM57...on stereroids, according to Shure, Inc.
Ah this is making the decision harder, because it seems like your voice sounds good on any microphone
Thank you, but my voice is not my doing! If I were to choose between the two, I would go with the 58 (for vocals) you can always remove the grille if you choose.
Any idea why the USA Whitehouse chose SM57 since its inception and has not really strayed from it? See a picture of a US president with mics before him and those will be a Shure SM57. Any idea why since I think the 58 sounds better and considering the 57 is for instruments, mainly, there has to be a reason but I could not find that out.
I'm guessing marketing. I remember asking a sound tech at a top London club why they only had Shure mics to offer visiting singers. He said Shure gave them a great deal on all the mics they needed, as long as Shure were the ONLY mics seen on that famous stage. Shure is an American company, the SM57 probably does the job well enough. It's great advertising for Shure and they probably did a deal in supplying the government. In other words, nothing to do with the mic itself!
@@AntonBrowne I think you are right as I went a little deeper into my research and found that Shure boasts about being the chosen microphone of every president since 1965.
very cool video. Do you have recommendations for what else to use for mic'ing an amp?
came for the comparison, stayed for the ASMR
Thank you, glad you stayed.
Hi Anton, love your videos. I'm a male singer. I already own a Shure 58. Question. From a purely subjective viewpoint, which mic would actually make my voice sound BETTER , in your opinion? Or are they virtually identical in this regard??
I think they are close enough that if you have a 58, stay with it.
@@AntonBrowne
Thanks! I only wish somebody would talk about the Shure 85 with the ON/OFF switch, which I have. It is so incredible handy in terms of instantly silencing any feedback issues (a major problem with ANY mic), and so incredibly robust, that I have never had a malfunction with them in over 50-years. But nobody on the entire internet even talks about it. Weird.
@@AntonBrowne
Just heard your vocals, btw. You have tremendous jazz chops, really unique! You should already be under contract by someone.
Thank you! This comparison was super helpful 👊
There is a noticeable hum or noise in the SM57 compared to sM58. In my copies I found the SM58 to have less noise and the voice just came through nice and clear with gain set at 60%. The SM57 had some hum or noise at 40-50% gain. I still wonder what the humming is. I also notice a slight hiss in SM57.
Shure says they are the same apart from the grille, I will check mine in due course.
I suspect the grill on the 58 is acting like a "faraday cage" and blocking out interferences from things around u.😊
So, should I buy an SM57 for my vocals?
I'm still wondering that. Can someone help me out please?
May as well get a 58 and if you need to use it on instruments, remove the grille.
@@AntonBrowne Thanks for the advice
I love your monocle!
What was the original mic you used? It sounds amazing.
It's an Earthworks SV33.
Wonderful pointed question at the end!
How would the guitar be recorded without the microphone though? (I legit have no idea how else guitars are recorded, could you please enlighten me?)
@@thisissonotafakeaccount I would be plugging the guitar into an audio unit, which is linked to the computer by a USB cable. This unit amplifies the signal and allows you to adjust levels. Take a took at the Roland Quad Capture. Then software on the computer is told too listen to the guitar and then record if you want.
Because in a live situation you'll most likely want to mic your amp to feed your main speakers .. surly that's why... or am I missing something?
i have a sound card MOTU M4 and i must to pain gain very hard to have sound and you have a very good sound you !!!how do you make this ? I'm deseperated
My desk isn't anything special, I think input gains were approaching 75% up.
@@AntonBrowne OK 75% is not a problem, I thougt 50% was normal. Thanks for your answer :) I have listen your voice when you sing, beautifull voice.
I've been thinking the same thing, $2500 guitar rig into a $99 Mic...hum... Everytime my amp gets miced I feel like I lose my beloved chime. I've been thinking of investing in a good mic for amp micing, but I don't know which one is good but still affordable. I've been thinking about the sennhieser e906
I've never used the Sennheiser e906 but it looks good on paper. The sE V7X is inexpensive and worth a listen.
Woah! there uncle Pennybags. Leave some class for the rest of us. (Great video)
Great video, Anton. Keep it up.
Thanks!
can I use this mic for just talking with friends cause my mic just broke and this one fits my budget
Yes you can, and people do. You may need to keep quite close to it for sufficient signal.
Good point in the end of the video. If we spend so much on everything else, why use a cheap mic...
Don't mind how cheap it is, but is it accurate???
@@AntonBrowne By gosh... you're absolutely right. I get too caught up in the prices. The shure mics do color our sound, so the effort we put into making our sound the way we want is going to be altered anyway by the shure mic.
I just saw your Earthworks reviews. Never heard of a flat response microphone before, but it makes sense now that you put into light how painstaking the effort we put into our "tone", not to mention the quality of our singing voice (I, too am learning to sing) and I realize the shure mics would alter my voice!
I'm now shooting for the Earthworks mics, thanks to your videos. :)
Can u tell me which one is better for echoey room?? If not one of these mics can u recommend me another mic? Bc i have rode nt1a and it picks up the echo
Very much worth mentioning industry standard on snare drum ..
the best ...and drum toms great, alway through drum kit , micing a drum kit.. with exception of not on kick drum..
Excellent cool review.
Thanks!
At least somebody told the truth about this mic. I would like to add:
When you buy a SM57 it shapes your sound to a degree that can´t be changed/repaired in your mixng device or whatever you plug it into. Wouldn´t it be much better to shape your sound with your instrument and amp only and use a neutral mic?
I compared the SM57 with a Beyerdynamic M201 and M88 - it was like comparing an old radio of the Stone Age to a modern one.
So you think Beyerdynamic its better than sm57? wich one you prefer clearly for vocals?
@@georgezorbas6422 Well, at least their top and middle class mics are better, that´s for sure. I made a shootout in my studio quite some years ago. I had 6 vocal mics and my SM58. They all sounded way better than the 58, moreso the 58 sounded like a vintage transistor radio in comparison. So - in the end the Beyerdynamic TG-X81 won the shootout and since then I followed Beyer when it comes to dynamic mics. By the way, the M88 is a superb vocal mic as well.
I love my Granelli SM57 for Vocals
good point : "robotic thinking" ! I know its about voice and singing,but what is your prefered mic for electric guitar ?
I love this guy!!! The best reviews....
Have never liked these "industry standard" microphones, just sound like they are in a bucket of mud, yes I agree why would you use these things to mic up anything, the absolute entry level on instruments should be the Shure Beta 57A and the Shure Beta 58A on vocals. my goodness even your hummmms & ommmmms sound INSANELY GOOD!
ninjabluewings I can only afford one which one is best for both instruments and vocals