First gear box is gears 1 2 3, gearbox 2 is low high and overdrive. For lighter loads you can set gearbox 2 to overdrive and just shift through 1 2 3 on gearbox 1, makes it super easy.
I suspect I'll be filing this one into the "never going to use that" category... Not so much because I think the gears are hard but because I'm 100% confident I'd get distracted for just long enough to blow the thing up every time I got to a slight hill.
On the basis Mavis is very similar in appearance to a BR class 04 DM3 locomotive, which is very similar to a class 03 that I've have the good fortune to work on and drive. I can confirm, they are a mechanical nightmare.
In real life and in VR this train would be much easier to operate. My first job trucking I used to drive a 1964 Mac truck with a twin shifter that had a reversed overdrive kinda like this train does. Took a few weeks of practice but once I got the hang of it, I was good to go!
@@barrakuda17009 I can't wait to dust off my Index and jam gears for a few hours! Unfortunately I work 70 hours a week actually jamming gears so this'll be the first time I've played a game in forever. IRL American Truck Simulator is quite taxing, as it's now the NPC's that are the bad drivers 😅
also of note, this thing hill climbs a heck of a lot better than the DH3 and DE2 do to the manual gearing, where the others would get stuck, this thing WILL keep moving with a lot more than the others, just slowly
No, the DH4 compensates the lack of a low range (it's diesel hydraulic) with a very nice increase in overall power. It's strong enough to tow a 20 car train up most hills...
Problem is, yes the DM3 has better pulling power but thats it. Main issue with the DM3 is speed. On top of that it doesnt support MU, so as soon as you starting using multiple DH4/DE6's whatever advantage DM3 had, goes out of the window. DM3 also doesnt support remote, nor can you get around issue like you can in the DE6 by conneting a DE2/DH4 to it
the shadows are too aggressive in this game (and many games). anything that isn't in direct sunlight is completely black and that's not how reality works
@@hugoslr some games like ARMA and squad have dynamic brightness changing based on whether you're in a dark interior or a bright exterior, but this still is a cheap imitation to what the eye is capable of. Ray tracing lighting may fix the issue though, you'd get much more realistic ambient light.
Gears as shown by Squirrel (A/B): 1/1 1/2 2/1 2/2 3/1 3/2 2/3 3/3 Shifters have 3^2 = 9 combinations in total, and here we can see one missing, and that's 1/3, which should also be possible. These combinations are basically ratios and we can work out the actual multipliers if these are indeed properly ordered. Here's one useful mnemonic to let you learn the order in which to shift. Imagine if Gearbox A had the following positions x1, x2, x4 and Gearbox B had x2, x3, x7 This is what happens 1: "1/1" 1x2 = 2 2: "1/2" 1x3 = 3 3: "2/1" 2x2 = 4 4: "2/2" 2x3 = 6 5: "1/3" 1x7 = 7 6: "3/1" 4x2 = 8 7: "3/2" 4x3 = 12 8: "2/3" 2x7 = 14 9: "3/3" 4x7 = 28 I don't claim I know the exact ratios, this is just a mnemonic I developed through trial & error.
Perhaps a bit easier is to think of the gearboxes like there is only B with positions 2, 3, 7 Shifting A is then basically a "doubling action" So you start with A on x1 B is at 2, shift to 3 And then instead of shifting B to 7, you double A Shift B back (4), then forward (6) (This shift is discouraged, Squirrel skips it) Then you shift B to 7 (move A back to x1) 7 Then you quadruple (A is twice forward) Shift B back to 2 (8), then forward (12) Then you shift B to 7 (move A back to x2) 14 Finally you push A forward (to quadruple) 28 I think this is a pretty decent mnemonic, and also contains an explanation why 1/3 is discouraged. When shifting from 1/3 to 3/1 you need to introduce an intermediate shift of either 3/3 or 1/1 before you can do 3/1. 1/1 is unsafe being a much lower gear ratio, and 3/3 is the max ratio and will slow you down, so when at 2/2 (double 3) you basically skip 1/3 and head immediately for 3/1 (quadruple 2).
@@milanstevic8424 yep that is exactly why 1/3 is discouraged, I used to drive an old 1964 Mack truck with a similar gearbox. The guy who trained me told me to never use 1/3 because you're going to need both hands on each shifter and none on the wheel if you want to do it fast without the clutch, otherwise you're breaking the gearbox, or your knuckles!
Oh i love that locomotive, even tho its propably much harder to use than the others, im propably gonna use it a lot because i love the challenge! Awesome Video, thanks for explaining, im really looking forward for Derail Valley Simulator!
@@crestfallensunbro6001 I think its still a lot of fun to drive it, because its challanging. The speed is low but its still enough to get the bonus time money.
Why I dont play the DE6 much and honestly use the DE2, 282 and DH4 more than anything. Much more engaging to drive and having to micromanage keeps things intresting. DE6 is just boring for me, makes everything just too easy and loses alot of the fun factor. DE6 would be fine if the map was bigger and/or with steeper grades to challenge it. In the games current state DE6 feels like a cheat code vs doing jobs with a DE2 or 282 etc.
Actually for me the lights switches makes more sense as they are there - in default setting it has shunter (switcher) configuration, where you have white lights on both ends (it is more convenient as when shunting, the driver then doesn't need to change white/red on each end depending on if going forward or backward as during the shunting the directions is changed quite often) - not sure if this is as a rule in US but in Europe, white on each end is used for shunting from that reason. In contrary, it would be more confusing if for one side the switch would have white light in lower position and red in upper position and for the other side switch it would be opposite (white in uper position and red in lower position of the switch).
Not to mention that the light switches on DE2 and DM4 behave the same; when I flick the switches of the front and rear lights in the same direction, I have the same lights actuve on both ends. Which is absolutely logical in my opionion.
What's interesting, as they show the marks on the control desk that should be for dual control, having driven a BR class 03, the lack of dual control will be very disappointing, as it comes in handing for shunting duties for one of these.
@@lordsanityfree all the levers (except the train brake one) are copied and mirrored on the other side of the control table, so you can drive the engine from the left window/side instead of the right you can see that on the left side of the table that holds the controls there are slots for the duplicate levers
@@kederaji Maybe, maybe not, but most people don't use the front gear all that much. Perhaps it's different on a mountain bike / trails, but on normal bikes it stays most of its life on the middle one (or the big one, depending on the person and the bike).
@@ianmillard1604I would like to see older Steam Trains from the 1920s to the 1950s. That are more for light freight operations instead of heavy ones. Maybe one from the UK.
I recommend trying to stay in the higher gears as much as possible especially when going up hill. You want to have as much momentum to hopefully reach the top before the little guy loses power and you need to downshift. It definitely has way more muscle than the de2 however in terms of creeping its way along.
Yes I noticed that too, which means that this train red lines where a normal car would sit at idle 😮 But then that is also why these things last for a 100 years.
@dlmunlimited they also have a lot of moving mass. We have a couple of gas compressors at another location, one with a Caterpillar 3608 engine and another with a Caterpillar 3612; they both run like 750 rpm at idle and 1000 rpm at working speed.
I drove one a BR 03 for 4 years shunting in a Refinery it was a nightmare to drive lol had similar controls a 5 speed semi auto gears and was prone to stall happy shunting.
I love shunters, the 03, 04.. This is heaven for me, an 03ish thing with a split gearbox. i can see it delighting ETS2 players to cross that road/rail divide
This guy feels like that one cool school teacher that a lot of us have had where the subject is interesting just because he's teaching it, i have ADHD and i dont think i could sit through videos on how to actually play this game if this guy wasnt teaching me. Thank you squirrel for allowing me to stay on my tracks instead of ending up on mars.
Usted es el primero que me ha declarado correctamente la caja de cambios de ésta locomotora - ¡muchas gracias por eso! You are the first one who declared me correctly the funcion of the gear box of this locomotive, many thanks for that!
The tutorial broke when I first got into this loco and I just drove it how my heart dictated and noticed that with lower loads or light loco I can just start with both gears on 3 without choking it out. I like this loco more than I expected to. People compare it to Class 04 but I think it also has a lot of FAUR L30H in it. The paint scheme also looks like the ones used on these.
That is pretty hands on and love more work to learn but after learning that is like driving a stick shift cat or truck. 4-5-7-8-10-13-15-18 speed trans. So lot of learning but you will get it moving and down.
I imagine the gears like a bycicle transimision system, where you have 2 "gearboxes": one on the wheel side and one near the pedals, it makes much more sense like that.
besides the horrible interface on other train sims, these games really need to include "operation manuals" for each model. i think like a ebook with some fake (or if it a real train, real) manuals of the start up and shut down procedures and the gear box and such. i think that would be a nice touch.
@@manitoba-op4jx Some of the bigger ones I've seen operate around 200-750 RPM. But this is reserved for huuuuge diesel engines like the generator at my old college or the train in this video.
The largest engine in the world, the Wärtsilä-Sulzer RTA96-C, a 2,300 ton,14 cylinder, two-stroke turbocharged diesel engine, produces 80 megawatts of energy and operates between 15-102 RPM. That is a very slow rotational speed, taking from 1.7 to 4 seconds to complete one full rotation. Compare that to an automotive engine which takes a 1/5th to a 1/10th of a second to rotate at idle (300-600 rpm)
i love the engines in derail valley, you get engines like this, and while the railway takes place in north america it has engines that have a european influence getting this strange hybrid that is pulled off in a perfect way
I went through the control guide in game and watched this video. I thought I was ready for this, but on my first outing, I completely destroyed the drivetrain. I had to tow it into the roundhouse and spend $40k on repairs. When I was driving, all the dials seemed to be in the good zones, guess I need more practice.
it is a bit strange. the order is 11, 12, 21, 22, and then 32, 23 and 33 would be easier that last part were 23, 32, 33, because right stick seemed to be less change. you go 1 small up or 1 big up minus 1 small down, that is more logic. it has a strange order at finish. will be a mechanical thing. maybe making two gears big on the same level is harder than alternating it. two big are huge space, and 2 small very few, while big + small and small+ big changes would be more equilibrated
Somehow that's my favorite locomotive of the mid game. It can pull a lot at low gears, which is obvious from wheelslip from standstill on lowest gear on dry rails and no load! Yes, there are faster locos for hauling, but the DM3 is the ol' reliable. My second favorite would be the S060 probably because of how powerful and fascinating steam is. And I didn't yet try the S282, although it looks interesting.
If anyone has a problem remembering shifting patterns, it's easier when you think about the left lever (gearbox A) as gears 1-3 and right lever (gearbox B) as low-high-overdrive sort of like in a truck. Remember when going down a gear in gearbox A and up a gear in gearbox B (3-HIGH to 2-OVERDRIVE) to upshift gearbox B first or you will overrev the engine like in 13:05
Honestly this is my favorite little loco. I was gutted when i found out it is only a 100t increase to the de2. Considering it’s on par size wise to the diesel hydraulic at 800t. But then again it has 4 sets of motors over the 3. Still a great shunter and a recommended upgrade to the de2 asap for shunting or small halls
the gears should be arranged in a way that you can get to a valid gear most of the time with a single switch of one of the levers. your sequence is more intuitive in theory, but makes the driver much more likely to money shift
the automatic brake on the dm3 and the steam locomotives in derail valley actually have *four positions* You have "release" "lap" "service" and "emergency". "release" means You are connecting the main reservoir to brake pipe to release the air brakes on the entire train which can help You charge the train as well as letting the train move now You have "lap". "lap" holds whatever pressure You've got on the brake pipe so as You take a reduction on the automatic brake and You set the automatic brake into lap it will hold that reduction and it won't change anything and "service" service Means taking a reduction on the automatic brake whether You want to slow down or stop the train and You have "Emergency" now emergency rather than slowly take a reduction completely cause the air in the brake pipe to go to 0 psi which causes the brake cylinders to lock the brake shoes onto the wheels as tight as possible
Thank you much, that was a very nice explanation of the gearbox. Seems to me it's more like a tractor than a locomotive, with the left lever setting the range and the right lever the gears within the range. I do NOT understand why 2-3 is higher than 3-1, though. It's like the gearbox is the product of a deranged mind.
This is obviously based on the British Rail Class 03. It's not the same, there are a few differences. However, I wonder why they made the throttle lever work inversely. It's supposed to be pushed forward for more throttle. The other thing is that the British Rail Class 03 does not have a double gear box, but I like this one in the game actually better. Once you have figured it out, it is very rewarding.
Waaaaait... They have modeled a super-intricate lighting system for the DM3, but still haven't done anything about the fan button in the DE2? 🤔 Looking forward to Simulator a lot but this feels like a weird priority 😅
I think the cabin fan in DE2 is now working properly. What Squirrel meant by that is that the fan doesn't do anything for the actual driving. But what can it do realistically? It's a cabin comfort feature.
That creep feature is more like a manual than an automatic car as the diesel mechanical loco works like a manual car, and we can just assume that both gearbox levers on their initial position can be treated as gear "1"
@@theraildynasty_ Depends on the engine and how fast you release the clutch. Otherwise the engine will stall. The fact you can put the reverser forward with brakes applied and the engine doesnt stall is more like an automatic transmission.
Short consists as well, but you're mostly right. It's fun as hell. According to other comments, this thing climbs well albeit slowly. You can see it in the video as well. So it's a heavy shunter and a mule. But not a long run freight hauler.
That gear sequence will certainly take some getting used to! Haha. Would be better if they modelled the damage as locking-up the driving wheels if shifting down too far, as there shouldn't be that much friction at speed to halt the locomotive so quickly? Still, looks very fun indeed
I wonder what the optimal RPM is. Engines are usually more efficient at low RPMs and high load. The problem is that in the circumstances of low RPM/high Load you get lots of heat and stress.
I run my between 600 and 800 and I only repair the engine from time to time. Definitely avoid staying in low (sub 200) and high (over 1000) RPM for prolonged periods of time, as well as shifting gears with throttle/engine brake engaged. These 2 things are brutal to the engine. If you avoid these, you'll be golden.
The part about skipping gears got me thinking. Going with 1-1 2-1 3-1 3-2 3-3 would make operation much simpler as you only move 1 lever each time and you only skip 1 gear at most.
So given how complex this is I don’t see why anyone would ever use it over the DE2, nor why you wouldn’t just save a little longer and go straight to the DH4 unless you’re doing it just for the challenge/personal enjoyment, especially as it seems to haul less than the DE2. I guess maybe it’s good for shunting since you wouldn’t be going long distances.
I could see it being good for shunting with the ability to creep, especially at night if the DE2 remote runs out of battery! If the capacity is higher and operating costs are lower than the DE2 then I could see the DM3 being attractive for yard work, similar to the SH282 vs the DE6 for long, heavy hauls.
8:00 why is any of this confusing? you have exactly the same configuration on the flick dials in other locos, here's it's just exploded into three separate switches. type switch: with flick dials you go to the left or to the right, here you just select one or the other. switches: with flick dials you go 0, 1, 2 steps in any one direction, here you just make a combination. essentially there are 2^3 = 8 states in total and this is probably true for both input mechanisms. flick dials -> -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 (where positives indicate a white light; so 3 red states, 4 white states and off). switches -> 0/0/0, 0/0/1, 0/1/0, 0/1/1, 1/0/0, 1/0/1, 1/1/0, 1/1/1 (exactly 8 combinations matching the above). finally, in other locos you have two flick dials, front and rear, here you have two columns, front and rear.
it idles at (if i'm reading the gage correctly) 250 RPM not, 2,500 it's a x10 RPM not x100 or x1000 like in a car. that redline is 1000 RPM on that gauge, it's a very slow engine it seems
That gearbox sequence makes the Spicer dual stick seem like a basic 10-speed. 😮 Truck transmissions have nothing on this beast 😝 Thanks for all your informative videos think I’m going to give Derail Valley a go!
the release is in two days. it's set in stone. there is still stuff planned ahead though. likely a new map, new locos, AI trains, all kinds of features.
I usually just walk both B and then A up one at a time and have never had issues. And then reverse order with down shifting. Apparently meaning im skipping gears 3, 5, and 6. But i also typically using it just for shunting. I can't seem to get anywhere fast with it to make time bonus... maybe it's because of my skipping gears all the time.
Well, no wonder I've been using the engine wrong. I just need to know the right gears. So by using this sequence, I can shift the gears accordingly: Gear 1: A1-B1 Gear 2: A1-B2 Gear 3: A2-B1 Gear 4: A2-B2 Gear 5: A3-B1 Gear 6: A3-B2 Gear 7: A2-B3 Gear 8: A3-B3 Before I watched this, this is how I thought the gearbox goes: Gear N: A1-B1 Gear 1: A2-B1 Gear 2: A3-B1 Gear 3: A3-B2 Gear 4: A3-B3 But now that I know differently, I think I can drive this diesel no problem. I love train driving in VR, so I think the DM3 will be alot more fun for me now. But what I'm really excited for is the tank engine, I love steam, and having a shunter steam loco will be so much fun.
Ohh this is gonna be my jam, the only thing im not liking is that it loos strange on the tracks, it looks like it floating like a boat rather than a train.. other than that im gonna love this
weird that there is not a single actual train driver making that observation. where did it look like the train is floating? if you mean the swaying motion, that's suspension.
First gear box is gears 1 2 3, gearbox 2 is low high and overdrive. For lighter loads you can set gearbox 2 to overdrive and just shift through 1 2 3 on gearbox 1, makes it super easy.
I suspect I'll be filing this one into the "never going to use that" category... Not so much because I think the gears are hard but because I'm 100% confident I'd get distracted for just long enough to blow the thing up every time I got to a slight hill.
Me too when I buy M&Ms I eat every one except the blue ones. They are in the "never going to eat that" category.
Just stay in top gear and below 55km/h
It's actually surprisingly easy to memorize the shifting pattern, and using keyboard controls makes it super quick too. Just remember to skip 1-3
Mavis must have been a mechanical nightmare in 'Thomas and Friends'.
On the basis Mavis is very similar in appearance to a BR class 04 DM3 locomotive, which is very similar to a class 03 that I've have the good fortune to work on and drive. I can confirm, they are a mechanical nightmare.
Lol
@@Lemonaitor Was the gearbox on that ever blown?
@@Lemonaitor according to wiki Mavis is indeed a BR class 04, with added side plates and cowcatcher
Omg THATS why ot looks so familiar!
In real life and in VR this train would be much easier to operate. My first job trucking I used to drive a 1964 Mac truck with a twin shifter that had a reversed overdrive kinda like this train does. Took a few weeks of practice but once I got the hang of it, I was good to go!
I was thinking this as well. Would be much easier in VR being able to manage the throttle and gearbox at the same time
@@barrakuda17009 I can't wait to dust off my Index and jam gears for a few hours! Unfortunately I work 70 hours a week actually jamming gears so this'll be the first time I've played a game in forever. IRL American Truck Simulator is quite taxing, as it's now the NPC's that are the bad drivers 😅
OMG, I drove the same truck in school. Never got to drive one on the job.
@@GaryParkin LoL! Lucky, I wished I didn't have to drive that hunk of unkillable junk for 2 years 😅
Driving this loco got me thinking about that. Was always kinda scared of twin sticks but once I understood the pattern i just love the depth in it
also of note, this thing hill climbs a heck of a lot better than the DH3 and DE2 do to the manual gearing, where the others would get stuck, this thing WILL keep moving with a lot more than the others, just slowly
it also makes a good heavy shunter as i have found out for heavy loads, almost worth dragging around in a DE6
Emphasis on slowly, on flat track with no load it struggles to go past 60 and climbing with a load it's rarely in the double digits
You're really better off hooking up 2 DH4s. It'll cost more fuel, but you'll get 2 trips done in the same amount of time.
No, the DH4 compensates the lack of a low range (it's diesel hydraulic) with a very nice increase in overall power. It's strong enough to tow a 20 car train up most hills...
Problem is, yes the DM3 has better pulling power but thats it. Main issue with the DM3 is speed. On top of that it doesnt support MU, so as soon as you starting using multiple DH4/DE6's whatever advantage DM3 had, goes out of the window.
DM3 also doesnt support remote, nor can you get around issue like you can in the DE6 by conneting a DE2/DH4 to it
This loco is def only for a certain type of driver. And that type of driver is me.
this "sneak preview" video series made me SO excited for the release on Friday, I wish it was today already.
thanks for the great content
there were also the shorts that the devs posted on their YT
@@happyburger23 yeah I've been binging the shorts recap :)
They really need to do something about the brightness in the cab during day time.
the shadows are too aggressive in this game (and many games). anything that isn't in direct sunlight is completely black and that's not how reality works
Yeah i dont think ill ever use this locomotive if the cab is gonna be this dark
Yeah the lighting needs some adjustments by the looks of it
@@murmaider2 that's because game engines can't replicate the sensibility of the human eye to brightness and different contrasts.
@@hugoslr some games like ARMA and squad have dynamic brightness changing based on whether you're in a dark interior or a bright exterior, but this still is a cheap imitation to what the eye is capable of. Ray tracing lighting may fix the issue though, you'd get much more realistic ambient light.
2 more days to go, guys. I cannot wait.
Gears as shown by Squirrel
(A/B):
1/1
1/2
2/1
2/2
3/1
3/2
2/3
3/3
Shifters have 3^2 = 9 combinations in total, and here we can see one missing, and that's 1/3, which should also be possible.
These combinations are basically ratios and we can work out the actual multipliers if these are indeed properly ordered.
Here's one useful mnemonic to let you learn the order in which to shift.
Imagine if Gearbox A had the following positions x1, x2, x4 and Gearbox B had x2, x3, x7
This is what happens
1: "1/1" 1x2 = 2
2: "1/2" 1x3 = 3
3: "2/1" 2x2 = 4
4: "2/2" 2x3 = 6
5: "1/3" 1x7 = 7
6: "3/1" 4x2 = 8
7: "3/2" 4x3 = 12
8: "2/3" 2x7 = 14
9: "3/3" 4x7 = 28
I don't claim I know the exact ratios, this is just a mnemonic I developed through trial & error.
i printed your comment in anticipation of the update
@@pedro1492 true train gamer move. Copying that haha
Perhaps a bit easier is to think of the gearboxes like there is only B with positions 2, 3, 7
Shifting A is then basically a "doubling action"
So you start with A on x1
B is at 2,
shift to 3
And then instead of shifting B to 7, you double A
Shift B back (4),
then forward (6)
(This shift is discouraged, Squirrel skips it)
Then you shift B to 7 (move A back to x1)
7
Then you quadruple (A is twice forward)
Shift B back to 2 (8),
then forward (12)
Then you shift B to 7 (move A back to x2)
14
Finally you push A forward (to quadruple)
28
I think this is a pretty decent mnemonic, and also contains an explanation why 1/3 is discouraged. When shifting from 1/3 to 3/1 you need to introduce an intermediate shift of either 3/3 or 1/1 before you can do 3/1. 1/1 is unsafe being a much lower gear ratio, and 3/3 is the max ratio and will slow you down, so when at 2/2 (double 3) you basically skip 1/3 and head immediately for 3/1 (quadruple 2).
@@milanstevic8424 yep that is exactly why 1/3 is discouraged, I used to drive an old 1964 Mack truck with a similar gearbox.
The guy who trained me told me to never use 1/3 because you're going to need both hands on each shifter and none on the wheel if you want to do it fast without the clutch, otherwise you're breaking the gearbox, or your knuckles!
Despite the silly title, this is such a fascinating sim.
agreed!
The tachometer is in x10 format, so instead of 20,40,60 being in thousands it’s actually in hundreds. So it’s 200,400,600,800,1000 redline
Oh i love that locomotive, even tho its propably much harder to use than the others, im propably gonna use it a lot because i love the challenge!
Awesome Video, thanks for explaining, im really looking forward for Derail Valley Simulator!
It's strong for its license cost and no copay increase, but man it is *slow*
@@crestfallensunbro6001 I think its still a lot of fun to drive it, because its challanging. The speed is low but its still enough to get the bonus time money.
Why I dont play the DE6 much and honestly use the DE2, 282 and DH4 more than anything. Much more engaging to drive and having to micromanage keeps things intresting. DE6 is just boring for me, makes everything just too easy and loses alot of the fun factor.
DE6 would be fine if the map was bigger and/or with steeper grades to challenge it. In the games current state DE6 feels like a cheat code vs doing jobs with a DE2 or 282 etc.
@junkiexl86 I'd definitely perfer 282 and steam engines, I wish there were more but the So60 has such a limited range
Actually for me the lights switches makes more sense as they are there - in default setting it has shunter (switcher) configuration, where you have white lights on both ends (it is more convenient as when shunting, the driver then doesn't need to change white/red on each end depending on if going forward or backward as during the shunting the directions is changed quite often) - not sure if this is as a rule in US but in Europe, white on each end is used for shunting from that reason.
In contrary, it would be more confusing if for one side the switch would have white light in lower position and red in upper position and for the other side switch it would be opposite (white in uper position and red in lower position of the switch).
Not to mention that the light switches on DE2 and DM4 behave the same; when I flick the switches of the front and rear lights in the same direction, I have the same lights actuve on both ends. Which is absolutely logical in my opionion.
What's interesting, as they show the marks on the control desk that should be for dual control, having driven a BR class 03, the lack of dual control will be very disappointing, as it comes in handing for shunting duties for one of these.
What do you mean by dual control?
@@lordsanityfree all the levers (except the train brake one) are copied and mirrored on the other side of the control table, so you can drive the engine from the left window/side instead of the right
you can see that on the left side of the table that holds the controls there are slots for the duplicate levers
@@diegokevin3824 I bet that could be an unlockable upgrade.
Geez, that gearbox is a crapfest... I see a lot of broken gearboxes in the future.
it's pretty similar to the way bicycle gearings work
@@kederaji Maybe, maybe not, but most people don't use the front gear all that much. Perhaps it's different on a mountain bike / trails, but on normal bikes it stays most of its life on the middle one (or the big one, depending on the person and the bike).
@@kederajiSimilar to a Spicer gearbox on old trucks
@@kederaji Or just Manual on cars really
@@JustVolvo No, not really.
14:54 "just a lil bit of wheel slip"
Woo. BR class 03 finally gets in to Derail Valley.
Just needs a class 08
@@firefox3187that would be heaven!
@@ianmillard1604I would like to see older Steam Trains from the 1920s to the 1950s. That are more for light freight operations instead of heavy ones. Maybe one from the UK.
@@Vixen1525railroader if u want older steam trains.
I recommend trying to stay in the higher gears as much as possible especially when going up hill. You want to have as much momentum to hopefully reach the top before the little guy loses power and you need to downshift. It definitely has way more muscle than the de2 however in terms of creeping its way along.
10:55 the tachometer is x10, so idle is about 250 RPM.
Yes I noticed that too, which means that this train red lines where a normal car would sit at idle 😮 But then that is also why these things last for a 100 years.
@dlmunlimited they also have a lot of moving mass. We have a couple of gas compressors at another location, one with a Caterpillar 3608 engine and another with a Caterpillar 3612; they both run like 750 rpm at idle and 1000 rpm at working speed.
Something to note when shifting gears, ALWAYS shift up before shifting down to avoid engine overspeeding
Holy crap, I've been skipping a bunch of gears... no wonder I have so much damage and can't get up to those speeds! Thank you!
I drove one a BR 03 for 4 years shunting in a Refinery it was a nightmare to drive lol had similar controls a 5 speed semi auto gears and was prone to stall happy shunting.
I love shunters, the 03, 04.. This is heaven for me, an 03ish thing with a split gearbox. i can see it delighting ETS2 players to cross that road/rail divide
Right up my alley
This guy feels like that one cool school teacher that a lot of us have had where the subject is interesting just because he's teaching it, i have ADHD and i dont think i could sit through videos on how to actually play this game if this guy wasnt teaching me. Thank you squirrel for allowing me to stay on my tracks instead of ending up on mars.
Usted es el primero que me ha declarado correctamente la caja de cambios de ésta locomotora - ¡muchas gracias por eso!
You are the first one who declared me correctly the funcion of the gear box of this locomotive, many thanks for that!
DM3 looks like a handful.
I'll probably try it for a little before moving on to DH4. :D
the light switch makes sense to me. Switch down, white (or lower) lights. Switch up, red (or upper) lights
The tutorial broke when I first got into this loco and I just drove it how my heart dictated and noticed that with lower loads or light loco I can just start with both gears on 3 without choking it out.
I like this loco more than I expected to. People compare it to Class 04 but I think it also has a lot of FAUR L30H in it. The paint scheme also looks like the ones used on these.
That is pretty hands on and love more work to learn but after learning that is like driving a stick shift cat or truck. 4-5-7-8-10-13-15-18 speed trans. So lot of learning but you will get it moving and down.
I could see this being alot of fun with vr
Can't wait to drive that Loco 😮
I imagine the gears like a bycicle transimision system, where you have 2 "gearboxes": one on the wheel side and one near the pedals, it makes much more sense like that.
arrrrrh man thats awesome i love driving cars in manual gears but trains with manual gears my mind is blown, hats off to you devs
I haven't tried this loco yet but this is a good walk through in operating one of these. Thanks!
I must only 2 Days wait for this Great Update of Derail Valley
Before I thought we'd just have a few DE trains and a couple steam ones. Nice to see DH and DM ones thrown in the mix.
If youve paid attention to the DV roadmap at all, you would have known more non-DE locos were coming to the game long time ago.
This loco looks quite similar to a New Zealand Railways "Ds" or "Dsa" class shunter, but the gears are a 5 gear if I remember
They are a five speed.
This looks like a BR 03 class which had the same gearbox.
besides the horrible interface on other train sims, these games really need to include "operation manuals" for each model. i think like a ebook with some fake (or if it a real train, real) manuals of the start up and shut down procedures and the gear box and such. i think that would be a nice touch.
Looks to me like 240rpm, not 2400rpm.
Big diesels turn slooooow.
@@VolksDragon Chugga chugga
@@manitoba-op4jx Some of the bigger ones I've seen operate around 200-750 RPM. But this is reserved for huuuuge diesel engines like the generator at my old college or the train in this video.
The largest engine in the world, the Wärtsilä-Sulzer RTA96-C, a 2,300 ton,14 cylinder, two-stroke turbocharged diesel engine, produces 80 megawatts of energy and operates between 15-102 RPM. That is a very slow rotational speed, taking from 1.7 to 4 seconds to complete one full rotation. Compare that to an automotive engine which takes a 1/5th to a 1/10th of a second to rotate at idle (300-600 rpm)
i love the engines in derail valley, you get engines like this, and while the railway takes place in north america it has engines that have a european influence getting this strange hybrid that is pulled off in a perfect way
I went through the control guide in game and watched this video. I thought I was ready for this, but on my first outing, I completely destroyed the drivetrain. I had to tow it into the roundhouse and spend $40k on repairs. When I was driving, all the dials seemed to be in the good zones, guess I need more practice.
Wow, quite the explanation, well done! Those gears tho, reminds me of the Steve Buscemi perfectly fine-meme.
Reminds me British Class 03 and other locos like it. That one has Mechanical gearbox too
Thank you Squirrel. I really appreciate the how to on this. I would think the DM3 is more powerful then the DE2.
sooo if this is preparing you for the steam locos; could we say the DM3 is the gateway drug to steam?
I can't wait to try it out, I drive truck and love the aspect of shifting gears in a train.
I love how truck drivers say "I drive truck" instead of "trucks."
I'm a truck driver myself and I say it now too lol
DM3 is fantastic but I find short shifting like Squirrel mentioned towards the end of the video really helps sometimes.
I think I just had an aneurysm trying to understand the gear sequence...
With todays politics, keep that medical insurance money rolling then.
it is a bit strange. the order is 11, 12, 21, 22, and then 32, 23 and 33
would be easier that last part were 23, 32, 33, because right stick seemed to be less change. you go 1 small up or 1 big up minus 1 small down, that is more logic. it has a strange order at finish. will be a mechanical thing. maybe making two gears big on the same level is harder than alternating it. two big are huge space, and 2 small very few, while big + small and small+ big changes would be more equilibrated
I am going to have a lot a fun with this!
DEAR GOD THAT WIPER NOISE!! AAAAAAAAAAA
Somehow that's my favorite locomotive of the mid game. It can pull a lot at low gears, which is obvious from wheelslip from standstill on lowest gear on dry rails and no load! Yes, there are faster locos for hauling, but the DM3 is the ol' reliable. My second favorite would be the S060 probably because of how powerful and fascinating steam is. And I didn't yet try the S282, although it looks interesting.
Just wanted to say thanks for your informative and light hearted vids, very helpful and entertaining. Cheers from Aus
If anyone has a problem remembering shifting patterns, it's easier when you think about the left lever (gearbox A) as gears 1-3 and right lever (gearbox B) as low-high-overdrive sort of like in a truck. Remember when going down a gear in gearbox A and up a gear in gearbox B (3-HIGH to 2-OVERDRIVE) to upshift gearbox B first or you will overrev the engine like in 13:05
This is my new favorite one in game.
Honestly this is my favorite little loco. I was gutted when i found out it is only a 100t increase to the de2. Considering it’s on par size wise to the diesel hydraulic at 800t. But then again it has 4 sets of motors over the 3. Still a great shunter and a recommended upgrade to the de2 asap for shunting or small halls
100t over the DE2 ?
DE2 can barely do 200t, DM3 can do like 600t
@@user-si5fm8ql3c the de2 can do 400t the dm3 is rated for 500t
Honestly one of the best trains to drive in vr
That looks like a fun loco!
A loco loco, if you will
i though the gears would’ve been 1-1 , 1-2, 1-3. 2-1, 2-2, 2-3. 3-1, 3-2, 3-3. Just makes more sense in my head
the gears should be arranged in a way that you can get to a valid gear most of the time with a single switch of one of the levers.
your sequence is more intuitive in theory, but makes the driver much more likely to money shift
If you think this doesn't make sense, have a look at older John Deere tractors like the 3010.
the automatic brake on the dm3 and the steam locomotives in derail valley actually have *four positions* You have "release" "lap" "service" and "emergency". "release" means You are connecting the main reservoir to brake pipe to release the air brakes on the entire train which can help You charge the train as well as letting the train move now You have "lap". "lap" holds whatever pressure You've got on the brake pipe so as You take a reduction on the automatic brake and You set the automatic brake into lap it will hold that reduction and it won't change anything and "service" service Means taking a reduction on the automatic brake whether You want to slow down or stop the train and You have "Emergency" now emergency rather than slowly take a reduction completely cause the air in the brake pipe to go to 0 psi which causes the brake cylinders to lock the brake shoes onto the wheels as tight as possible
Cant wait for a full career playthrough
Sweet. After two years we get a graphical update and a few confusing locos. Still gonna spend so many more hours in VR playing
Failing to appreciate work done under the hood is a common problem for newbie gamers. A whole lot of refactoring went into this update.
@@Squant I've been playing DV for several years.
my reaction "wooaah that f'ing cool" i've never seen a train like it. i feel like i'm in a museum
Based on a class 03, absolutely great little shunters to work on.
This is a god send. I felt like a monkey at a typewriter when i first tried it
All of your derail videos are awesome.
Dear god. Two gear shifters in a DM engine. And I thought driving a stick was hard enough
brightness level for the front red light. thanks for the laugh omg
Thank you much, that was a very nice explanation of the gearbox. Seems to me it's more like a tractor than a locomotive, with the left lever setting the range and the right lever the gears within the range. I do NOT understand why 2-3 is higher than 3-1, though. It's like the gearbox is the product of a deranged mind.
Looks alot like a BR Class 03
Yes it is and i drove one for 4 years shunting in a Refinery nightmare to drive lol
so cool! never taught trains had ever have gears like that
Same
It exists, its just not common and mainly only used on smaller locomotives
This is obviously based on the British Rail Class 03. It's not the same, there are a few differences. However, I wonder why they made the throttle lever work inversely. It's supposed to be pushed forward for more throttle.
The other thing is that the British Rail Class 03 does not have a double gear box, but I like this one in the game actually better. Once you have figured it out, it is very rewarding.
Says idle is approximately 2500 RPM when the Tachometer is clearly reading 240 RPM. The Tachometer clearly states x10, not x100 as he is assuming.
Looks very similar to driving the old British Railways DMUs, like the Class 101
Waaaaait... They have modeled a super-intricate lighting system for the DM3, but still haven't done anything about the fan button in the DE2? 🤔
Looking forward to Simulator a lot but this feels like a weird priority 😅
I think the cabin fan in DE2 is now working properly. What Squirrel meant by that is that the fan doesn't do anything for the actual driving. But what can it do realistically? It's a cabin comfort feature.
That creep feature is more like a manual than an automatic car as the diesel mechanical loco works like a manual car, and we can just assume that both gearbox levers on their initial position can be treated as gear "1"
manual cars don't creep....
@@murmaider2 what? 😂😂😂 Put the car in first, release the clutch and the car will creep without touching the accelerator
@@theraildynasty_ my car will stall
@@Dmahon247 well my car doesn't and no other manual car doesn't stall
@@theraildynasty_ Depends on the engine and how fast you release the clutch. Otherwise the engine will stall. The fact you can put the reverser forward with brakes applied and the engine doesnt stall is more like an automatic transmission.
The Dm3 is going to be fun to use.
I guess this would be best for either shunting or logistical haul only
Short consists as well, but you're mostly right. It's fun as hell. According to other comments, this thing climbs well albeit slowly. You can see it in the video as well. So it's a heavy shunter and a mule. But not a long run freight hauler.
I’m thinking this’ll be namely used in the harbor or going from forest to sawmill.
Its amazing for heavy shunting and mine -> steel mill runs
That gear sequence will certainly take some getting used to! Haha. Would be better if they modelled the damage as locking-up the driving wheels if shifting down too far, as there shouldn't be that much friction at speed to halt the locomotive so quickly? Still, looks very fun indeed
I wonder what the optimal RPM is. Engines are usually more efficient at low RPMs and high load. The problem is that in the circumstances of low RPM/high Load you get lots of heat and stress.
I run my between 600 and 800 and I only repair the engine from time to time. Definitely avoid staying in low (sub 200) and high (over 1000) RPM for prolonged periods of time, as well as shifting gears with throttle/engine brake engaged. These 2 things are brutal to the engine. If you avoid these, you'll be golden.
The part about skipping gears got me thinking. Going with 1-1 2-1 3-1 3-2 3-3 would make operation much simpler as you only move 1 lever each time and you only skip 1 gear at most.
So we've had engines with 2, 3, 4, and 6 axles, now we just need a 5 axle to fill in the gap.
Hmm... does Segway make a 1 axle locomotive :)
It's the new crew vehicle option, of course :P
lol it's literally driving a twin stick truck on rails
edit: as a big truck fan; I LOVE the twin stick and engine brake features
So given how complex this is I don’t see why anyone would ever use it over the DE2, nor why you wouldn’t just save a little longer and go straight to the DH4 unless you’re doing it just for the challenge/personal enjoyment, especially as it seems to haul less than the DE2. I guess maybe it’s good for shunting since you wouldn’t be going long distances.
because it's fun to drive?
@@hugoslrshould’ve clarified, of course people will use it for their own enjoyment, I’m looking at it more from an efficiency perspective.
@@spartan117zm hope is a decent carry more than a shunter
Because it's fun. You do you.
I could see it being good for shunting with the ability to creep, especially at night if the DE2 remote runs out of battery! If the capacity is higher and operating costs are lower than the DE2 then I could see the DM3 being attractive for yard work, similar to the SH282 vs the DE6 for long, heavy hauls.
8:00 why is any of this confusing?
you have exactly the same configuration on the flick dials in other locos, here's it's just exploded into three separate switches.
type switch: with flick dials you go to the left or to the right, here you just select one or the other.
switches: with flick dials you go 0, 1, 2 steps in any one direction, here you just make a combination.
essentially there are 2^3 = 8 states in total and this is probably true for both input mechanisms.
flick dials -> -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 (where positives indicate a white light; so 3 red states, 4 white states and off).
switches -> 0/0/0, 0/0/1, 0/1/0, 0/1/1, 1/0/0, 1/0/1, 1/1/0, 1/1/1 (exactly 8 combinations matching the above).
finally, in other locos you have two flick dials, front and rear, here you have two columns, front and rear.
This looks like a very old Czech Locomotive, the T333.0
None of these locomotives are now in service since they were Disassembled.
it idles at (if i'm reading the gage correctly) 250 RPM not, 2,500 it's a x10 RPM not x100 or x1000 like in a car. that redline is 1000 RPM on that gauge, it's a very slow engine it seems
0:18 looks like a British rail class 03
That's because it's based off of it and the BR Class 04
It’s got a wide ratio and an auxiliary transmission with O/D it looks like.
Oh my God, How many new locomotives are there in the derail valley simulation game? Its Absolutely beautiful and amazing. 😂😂😂
That gearbox sequence makes the Spicer dual stick seem like a basic 10-speed. 😮 Truck transmissions have nothing on this beast 😝 Thanks for all your informative videos think I’m going to give Derail Valley a go!
We definitely need two cursors for this loco, dayum
i can't wait for the update now well i can so devs if you need more time take it but i think i've already fallen in love from a far with the DM3
the release is in two days. it's set in stone. there is still stuff planned ahead though. likely a new map, new locos, AI trains, all kinds of features.
I usually just walk both B and then A up one at a time and have never had issues. And then reverse order with down shifting. Apparently meaning im skipping gears 3, 5, and 6.
But i also typically using it just for shunting. I can't seem to get anywhere fast with it to make time bonus... maybe it's because of my skipping gears all the time.
Derail Valley is becoming a good game but I wonder how map rebuilding will be.
So it’s like using a 3 speed gearbox with big Low Medium and High ranges?
Well, no wonder I've been using the engine wrong. I just need to know the right gears.
So by using this sequence, I can shift the gears accordingly:
Gear 1: A1-B1
Gear 2: A1-B2
Gear 3: A2-B1
Gear 4: A2-B2
Gear 5: A3-B1
Gear 6: A3-B2
Gear 7: A2-B3
Gear 8: A3-B3
Before I watched this, this is how I thought the gearbox goes:
Gear N: A1-B1
Gear 1: A2-B1
Gear 2: A3-B1
Gear 3: A3-B2
Gear 4: A3-B3
But now that I know differently, I think I can drive this diesel no problem. I love train driving in VR, so I think the DM3 will be alot more fun for me now. But what I'm really excited for is the tank engine, I love steam, and having a shunter steam loco will be so much fun.
As someone who has about 200 ish hours in DRS, i see this loco as an absolute win
Ohh this is gonna be my jam, the only thing im not liking is that it loos strange on the tracks, it looks like it floating like a boat rather than a train.. other than that im gonna love this
weird that there is not a single actual train driver making that observation. where did it look like the train is floating? if you mean the swaying motion, that's suspension.
looks like fun