Can SIBO be a Protective Adaptation? Gut Dysbiosis, Hydrogen Sulfide & Sulfate
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2024
- When SIBO killer-based protocols fail to work, the body may actually be CHOOSING to have gut dysbiosis. An overgrowth of certain bacteria in the gut may be part of an adaptive shift to provide the body with an essential nutrient called sulfate when other routes are blocked.
For a more detailed examination, read the following:
SIBO as an adaptation to supply sulfate: www.eonutrition.co.uk/blog/su...
Why sulfate is prioritised: www.eonutrition.co.uk/blog/su...
Started taking molybdenum after watching this. One day in and I feel much better. Brain fog has settled down, hair feels thicker, my stomach isn't bloated, and I no longer feel "on edge" (sympathetic dominance). 10/10 recommend
A Random Potato how is your progress?
Im taking one a day, but still reacting to foods. If i take two it helps but not sure it is safe long term.
@@callahclan7456 molybdenum is only going to help convert the HS to Sulfate it is it going to get rid of any opp bugs that are already settled there. My guess is it takes time for the Small GI to push it back down via gut motility, just a guess. Maybe a combo of mild antibiotics or herbal could help.
@@rickyaclickpowr2187 Antibiotics destroy good gut bacteria. That's why I have dysbiosis after surgeries in 2003 with lots of different antibiotics administered since none were working. They finally used cipro, which is strong. Now, I've got auto-immune disease that hasn't allowed me to gain health regardless of all the foods I've eliminated from my diet. I'm pretty sure it's because it created leaky gut.
How does your hair feel thicker after one day? Sounds like placebo
molybdenum deficiency can also be found with copper toxicity as it is required to bind and remove excess copper- here the molybdenum is busy doing something else rather than aiding the sulfite conversion. Excellent video, thank you
Wow! Molybdenum and copper may be the cause of all my problems
Are we not meant to drink water in a copper cup or copper bottle isn't copper meant to help us with anemia
It's amazing that the line of research into disorders seem to be taking a whole new philosophical perspective. Another example is psychosis being a protective mechanism against suicide.
How so?
yes how so?
@@CarolBlaneyPhD Here is a link to a journal exploring the same. Incidentally when I left this comment last year, the article had not yet been published but was in preliminary stage. It seems to have been officially published this year.
www.cambridge.org/core/journals/development-and-psychopathology/article/externalizing-the-threat-from-within-a-new-direction-for-researching-associations-between-suicide-and-psychotic-experiences/FD853EA0CC75452A1EADDA6FC48011C4
@@rickyaclickpowr2187 please see my other comment 😊
@@elainemc4774 Thank you so much Elaine Mc. Much appreciated :D I will read it.
I'm very aware of the science/biochem of sulfation. You did a good job on this video, man.
Today I discovered this channel and it's frickin brilliant!
So many things make sense now.
You're my hero!
Exactly the information/explanation I was looking for. Thank you for creating this video!
Fascinating stuff! Great presentation like the one on Bart Kay's channel. I was immediately sold after that oxalate presentation and subscribed to your channel. Looking forward to more of your presentations.
Amazing, things are starting to make sense, thank you !
Amazing video. Keep good work going.
Molybdenum and epsom salt baths helps me. It got rid of severely itchy skin within a week. I got this info from a dr Ruscio.. The reason I'm so interested in this angle is the Hydrogen sulphide condition in my body. Its really bad when it rears its ugly head. A real mystery for so many years. Great video !!
what were your other symptoms, if I may ask?
I heard epsom salt should be avoided as the body absorbs it. I am taking moly's.
Where do u get that supplement
Absolutely relevant and well-constructed theory !
Loved this Elliot, another great video my friend 😊
A genius elucidating the work of another genius!! Many thanks:)
Thank you very much for this incredibly informative video.
Wonderful video brother...that's amazing
Brilliant Video!! 🙌❤️Thank you for sharing!
Great video. Very informative.
This presentation is very informative. Thank you.
amazing as always
Thank you, very interesting about the adaptation.
Wow, amazing video. Thanks
Great video........it actually makes sense to me.
Thank you! I've read Greg Night's Devil 😈 in the Garlic and it's hard for me to follow. I know this is only a piece of it all but it's much easier to understand! Thanks for the visuals. New sub!
Greg Nigh, not Night, auto corrected 🤦
Love your videos. Super informative. On this one I was waiting for the “what to do” but it just ended. Maybe it’s in the next one?
This young man is excellent in explaining how and why something is happening but what he misses for his audience is the perspective to offer. We want to heal through functional medicine. I often seen his genious informative videos but lacking the actual support with solution except for the supplements. And I don't want my meals become supplement dependent.
Thank you!!!! Very good video on describing this. I’m going to go get some molybdenum and vitamin B6.
Greetings from Russia!!!
Some good things about hydrogen sulfide...
Stalin was greatly disturbed by pain in the joints of the arms and legs. He believed that it was rheumatism, which he "earned" during his four-year exile to Eastern Siberia. The hydrogen sulfide waters of the vicinity of Matsesta (Sochi) helped Stalin, and the pains practically disappeared. So Stalin had a dacha on Matsesta, and on the Agura River the first structures providing hydrogen sulfide water to the Soviet leader. Later, public concrete fonts and uncomplicated infrastructure necessary for the treatment of people appeared on Agura.
The number of those suffering from healing grew, but the debit of Agura's hydrogen sulfide source was small. As a result, a new source of hydrogen sulfide water was discovered on the Matsesta River with a higher debit.
Nevertheless, the half-abandoned and dilapidated infrastructure of the hydrogen sulfide sources of the Agura River continues to be popular.
therapeutic source of hydrogen sulfide near Sochi
this video is dry summer
ua-cam.com/video/PmyGL1qLlZY/v-deo.html
this video is made in the rainy summer
ua-cam.com/video/QPQqSKVKVvA/v-deo.html
Specific directions on how to address this would be very helpful! Hopefully there will be a follow up "how to" video.
As I understood this obviously controversial thesis, SIBO is undertsood to be in some cases caused by the protection of the body and in that case "addressing this" is what one should step back from. He is implying that it should NOT be addressed.
Brilliant discussion. By the way Clams and Oysters are good seafood sources of molybdenum. Cheers.
This is brillant. I had a high amount of oxalate in my metabolic urine test, probably am low in molybdenum, can not eat any food that contains high sulfur - I react strongly with intestinal inflammation and leaky guts... My God, when will I BE FREE?! I will add some molybdenum and see...
Very interesting... I haven’t seen anyone else taking about this mechanism and had a suspicion that it could be due to some type of protective adaptation - our body is too intelligent for random imbalances...
So I've been suffering with sulfuric breath and sibo for years, since a reaction to medication...
supplementing with MSM and molybdenum worked!
It got worse for the first 2 weeks and then it entirely went away, I think there's truth to this hypothesis! Thank you for sharing!
Hy how you feeling. You mean you had bab breath when you had Sibo?
Great share. Thank you!
So sulfur sibo is a nutrient deficiency of molybdenum ?? 😲😲😲
Nice video
I’ve been listening and reading to a lot of different things about Hydrogen Sulfide SIBO. I have been on a low sulfur diet and anti-microbial herbs for months and still not all the way better. Still can’t eat any high sulfur foods without severe gut pain that doesn’t subside for a couple days. One thing that no one seems to be talking about is if you have both hydrogen sulfide SIBO and an oxalate issue. This leaves pretty much nothing left to eat. And most elemental diets have supplements in them that are irritating for those with sulfur issues (choline, methyl-folate, L-cysteine). My nutritionist suspects I might have an oxalate issue due to my calcium levels continuing to drop, but I there’s almost nothing I can eat if I were to combine the low sulfur diet with the low oxalate diet.
Carnivore!
@@elliotoverton8358 no, carnivore diet is a big no for those with sulfur sufferers, meat containts too much sulfates, along with fat it only feeds the bad bugs, It caused my h2s SIBO in the first place
@@kanisbdg and what can we eat if we have that problem, with sulfur and oxalates?
Maybe you should work with Mary Ruddick or one of the practitioners in her group.. She works with impossibly difficult cases.
@@kanisbdg so what diet is good in this situation?
thank you !
What do you think about taking pure anorganic sulfur in this regard?
Hello Elliot, I was just wondering if mold toxicity could also inhibit sulfation? I become very unwell if I have Cabbage or a lot of meat, this has only begun happening since I began working in a building with black mold 7 years ago. Thank you
Absolutely This is mentioned in another video. Mold and sulfation are directly related by the enzyme detoxing process: ua-cam.com/video/hHOfoLhsctI/v-deo.html
Yes it can!
Thanks ☺
Hi Elliot. Can Thiamax B1 help fix a messed up sulfur pathway? Thanks
Did you try it yet?
So, what should we do if we have sibo? Stop eating oxilates? Suppliment with msm? Or, what? Help please.
Can you do a video on glycine gated chloride channels? What's the role of glycine and chloride particularly in this??
I have allergy to "sulphite" ever since I was a child... Can you please tell what are my options ? Thanks
thanks for posting this - so what're the solutions? if someone's already tried a low sulfur diet, molybdenum supplements etc. and haven't any relief, what should they do? thanks
I’d love to know too!
taking activate charocal is a short term solution for me
@@middleofdecember9862 Thanks - I tried it before and it didn't work for me - fortunately, bismuth does - but again, just managing the symptoms...
What if someone take agmatine sulfate- do we still need molybdenum? As its Lready sulfate. Also is there any relationship between low sulfate and brown liver spots , male pattern baldness and atherosclerosis at a young age?
Brown liver spots are from lipofuscin over the years. Look at Matt Blackburn's CLF protocol.
so if i have gas every single day and very bad smell - what do do ?
if you have gut dysbiosis -> oxidative stress -> depletes B6 -> oxalates -> sulfate issues?
This is logical. Vitamin B6 deficiency will seemingly always cause issues with oxalate excretion and sulfate formation.
It’s so hard as too much B6 is massively problematic too - it mad a friend severely ill
Very hard to fix too
Best form of inorganic sulfate is san pelligrino mineral water! 460mg per liter!
hm and what about SIBO wth methan gas (=chronic constipation and no smell)?
The things he's talking about are only one aspect of SIBO. I think sibo is multifactorial and we also have to take into account things like low stomach acid, hypothyroidism, chronic stress (alters gut flora and gut neurons), perhaps alcohol consumption (alters gut flora), past antibiotic use, diet (gluten sensitivity), etc.
It is impossible to say without taking your full case history. It can be multi factorial, as Valdimir mentioned above. I would personally be looking at thyroid, fat content of the diet along with digestive capacity of fat and liver/bile flow.
Why do many people with fungal/mold issues have H2S SIBO? Is it possible that their sulfur pathways are backed up, then the body compensates by encouraging H2S-producing bacterial growth, so the way to fix the issue would be to use anti-fungals in these cases?
EO, thanks for the great presentation, I wonder h pylori is part of gut dysbiosis? do you have any opinion about H pylori should be treated with triple therapy?
H Pylori overgrowth usually happens because of lacking nutrients that create digestive acids. When stomach acidity is low this allows H Pylori to thrive.
I was plagued with H Pylori for years and tried all kinds of antibiotics etc. but it kept coming back. I finally got rid of it when I read about a white vinegar treatment they used in some Middle-East hospitals (which basically consists of putting 1 TBsp of white vinegar on your food at each meal. Do this for 10-14 days).
Then I worked on supplementing with vits that help make stomach enzymes: B1, B2, B3, B6, zinc, potassium & sodium chloride.
I've been rid of H pylori for 4 years now. :)
@@Joan11ify any specific brand?
@@Joan11ify can it work if i have hpylori and candida , because synthetic white vinegar mainly acetic acid?
@@User_24472 apple cider vinegar doesn't allow candida to grow as white vinegar does. Maybe try organic apple cider vinegar like the one made by Braggs..
it that case, the more acidic the better
I took a longer than usual Epson Salt bath yesterday at twice the normal dosage (1/8 of a cup). Today has been one long migraine for me. Once I could start thinking about why this was the case and researching sulfate I stumbled upon your video. Subbed.
Do you know of anyone that gets migraines from Epson salt baths (magnesium sulfate), lukewarm water?
If you've got some kind of toxicity, and your liver's ability to relieve that toxicity has been slowed by a lack of sulfur, it's possible that an epsom salt bath would enable the liver to start processing those toxins, which in turn might initiate the release of toxins from storage sites, resulting in intracranial pressure and/or nerve inflammation. This process is very characteristic of chronic Vitamin A toxicity, from which I've been recovering for several months now, although I'm sure there are a variety of other toxic states that would exhibit the same pattern.
@@StraightMobbinAK Funny that. I was pointing the finger at magnesium or sulfate, not the livers renewed ability to detoxify something systemically stored. Thanks for that angle, I appreciate it.
I didn’t make the connection until recently, but I get migraines with aura the night of or the day after soaking my feet in Epsom salts. I actually thought I was doing something healthy and relaxing. I did the foot soak a few nights in row and started to feel depressed for no reason. I also tried to go on the carnivore diet and was eating a lot of eggs. Again, I started to get more migraines and felt irritable and foggy. I have a CBS +/- mutation and think I have a problem with sulfur/ urea/ ammonia. The first two days I took Molybdenum I felt great! Now I just feel a little better than I did before. I also take B1, B6 and B12. I can’t do folic acid or methylated B12 without getting a migraine. I wonder if I should stop taking B1 since it’s an amine and breaks down into sulfur. Elliot, thanks for sharing and breaking this information down!
@@jwhite5396 This may not work for you but what got me kick started back to normal was Amandha Vollmer's hair growth tonic. Basically DMSO mixed with peppermint and some other oil.
I think the direct sulfur input OR the direct B vitamins made the difference. Marked difference, like no longer house bound difference.
How are you feeling now? I have sulfur sensitivity too and wondering how it will work
Hi. I have a question. Do people who have issues with sibo hydrogen sulfide need to take less or more foods that contains sulphites? Is there any food or vitamines that helps sulfite turn back to sulfate?
What is the way to improve transfer from sulfite to sulfate? Any foods or vitamines or walks and intake of oxigen?
B vitamins. Ox liver. Molybdenum. (Careful not to take too much B6). Do your own research though!
Wouldn't it make more sense to say that:
Hydrogen sulfide SIBO causes deranged sulfur metabolism,
rather than that SIBO is the result of faulty metabolism ?
After all they are called sulfate reducing bacteria, not sulfate producing bacteria.
theyre there because of the SNP that caused the sulfur waste for them to clean up
What should be done if hydrogen sulfide is excess in gut
I took moly once and it helped my constipation but made me super gassy.
I’ve heard that’s gut bacteria releasing those gases. But I feel it’s the body detoxing excess sulfur. I’m hesitant myself with molybdenum tho
After starting sulbutiamine I have a lot of gas with sulfur smell. I already take remyte from dr dean. What should I do?
Olive leaf extract pills (not oil form) el plantarum probiotic (Swanson is the best ).vitamine C rose hips *(no corn on them )
@@lila52 thank you! What a coincident, i started olive leaf , yesterday!
Should i take molybdeem or sulfate to relief this?
Difficult to say without your history. However, molybdenum can be helpful, along with hydroxyB12 and epsom salts baths
What I do is add magnesium sulfate to a ultra sonic mister so small amounts fill up the room and eventually enter via the lungs. I suspect the real reason people love hot springs over cold water springs is the water vapor carries the minerals in via the lungs. I learned about nebulizing MGSO4 from a Dr Sarah Myhill, be careful with the dose though as amounts in excess of biological needs results in the kidneys having to filter the MGSO4 out of the blood which can result in serious pain. A rule of thumb I use is to stop the machine once you feel the relaxing effect of magnesium (can feel like a whole body massage).
I once used sodium molybendanate in tiny amounts, I don't recommend it unless you've first done your homework as it can be extremely dangerous if you take too much.
One thing I do is I pay close attention to my taste buds when taking such minerals, taste buds are simply amazing as they change half way through a diluted glass of ferrous sulfate from "yum this is great" to "yuk what the hell are you drinking", play around with this one, so long as you start with a safe mineral just in case you get it wrong.
@@rodneycox329 ❤
I have sulfur breath. Take Moly (45mcg) once a day. Avoiding sulfur foods helps (eggs, onions, etc) but still smell like sulfur. Started swigging Pepto Ultra, when eating. Still having normal bowel movements, even with three doses of pepto a day. It helps somewhat. I know there is a reason why this is happening, but nothing is curing it. Tried Rifaxamin twice. Endoscopy was unremarkable, stool test same. Hydrogen breath test was positive, dr put me on a liquid supplement from some lab to take at each meal. Had to be refrigerated and it did not change anything. Gave up after a two months. I think it was for something my body was not producing, but I forget what. So frustrated. Effects my whole life. No pain or health issues. Would almost prefer pain over this sulfur thing. ☹️
You can take up to 500 mcg of molybdenum maybe you need more
Why didn't you give natual antimicrobials a try for a few months?
No wheat, limit meat 2/wk.no sugar.
I have same issue… try chlorophyll liquid in water… but I believe main issue behind it is heavy metals…. My levels were high….get tested and detox the metals along with low sulfur diet … hair analysis test is better then blood.
So many say eggs are safe! I feel like breaking down fats and foods into amino acids is one part of this.
So why would the body need methane gas?
This all sounds good in theory but where are the nuts and bolts to over come this insidious spiral. I have been dealing with sibo for about a year now and have only found xifaxin to be helpfu. The only problem is that I must live on this drug or everything returns within days of discontinuing the drug, and everything encompasses a plethora of unpleasant effects that can be unbearable. I will watch the other video you mentioned but if you have any guidance as to how to actually implement any of this information I would really appreciate it. Thank you.
Hi Ric,
I have written about this on my blog on a few occasions, which can be found on the website. It is difficult to know what you should do without knowing your full history and individual context. However, I would bet that your consuming food which your body does not like!
@@EONutrition I will check your website. I have basically reduced my diet to almost exclusively animal based just recently with at least 6 eggs per day and lots of meat and cheese w/no fiber. Don't know what you would make of this, just looking for relief. Thanks for the response. I will investigate your site.
Thiamine is the key for sibo like his other videos sey it really works like ?I won't bsey an antibiotic (almost)but I believe it makes sure that the bugs and pathogens bget out of your body .personal experience ..thiamine has done miracles on my gut even with bloating I have no goalbladder so this it's a most for me thank you bfor this videos ❤
So could this be why I get better after drinking wine? really, I had not consumed any alcohol for over 10 years then after getting SIBO and needing some relief bought some wine and felt much better, even the next day.
What was in the wine that helped you?
@@zoezzzarko1117 So since my comment from a year ago I found out that I have a hormone imbalance and PCOS so I began a ton of research and what I came across was when you have unbalanced hormones it can cause all kinds of gut issues (just google "gut health and hormones") and RED wine can help balance hormones for some women and in turn give some relief from gut and hormone issues. So to answer your question it is the reservatrol in red wine and I would not suggest drinking wine but rather taking reservatrol supplements- read this article:
hormonesbalance.com/articles/benefits-of-resveratrol/
@@DC-vj4wv ahhhhh ok thank you for doing that research and sharing all that w me. I know how questions, research, and subsequent answers often leads to more questions and then a diff path altogether. I will remember the resveratrol info 😊
Gojiman Debate???
It's interesting that you say sibo might be an adaptation. Some people are starting to think that Candida and parasites my be some kind of adaptation since parasites can absorb multiple times their weight in heavy metals and certain toxins. And they've noticed that used to be able to metabolize certain heavy metals into non active forms
What are people saying candida is an adaptation for? Please help
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Mind blown I am suicidal because my gut is so messed up and bloated I look pregnant ans I can’t take it anymore I tried everything
Please relax. You are probably eating something that's bloating you. I have IBS, which I think is SIBO. I have been extremely bloated since 2018. I have a flat stomach within 2-3 days if I take out grains, dairy, beans and cruciferous vegetables. You need to do a low fodmap diet or an elimination diet.
Believe me I know your pain, for about a decade now. I haven’t found the full solution but I did find something life-changing.
The carnivore diet, no eggs either
Not sure it’s a forever fix but a week of (mostly organic) red meat when I was at my worst & most desperate was life saving.
I did carnivore for a few months and I must say I never felt better in my entire fucking life. I’m talking zero bloating, great energy, great mood, after a few months I was in incredible physical shape too.
It’s just tough to have a social life when you’re constantly in the kitchen cooking meals, organs and prepping. Super light weight with alcohol while on carnivore. I began adding honey and fruit eventually too.
Since then I had my impacted wisdom teeth removed, which helped a lot with what foods I could eat. So I relaxed on my diet & now Constipation is worsening again & but it never really went away in the first place. But the pain, bloating, suffering & full body anxiety did go away with carnivore.
Dr. Paul Saladino probably has the best arguments for it in my opinion, worth a look.
Plus his discussion around linoleic acid, LDL, metabolic function is vital knowledge. It’s all free on his podcast.
I kind of go on it every time I have a flair now to get out of it.
Ps. Vegetable fiber is the death of me.
Everyone is different but I hope some of that can help you, Good luck
@@yulialexandra774 doesn’t work done all that
Yes carnivore can increase hydrogen sulphide producing bacteria - It’s a tight rope between managing the sugar loving bacteria and that one. Not easy to fix at all. I am hoping a couple of week of GAPS, then a colonic and a feces transplant will do the job. Fingers crossed. Having a lot of fermented juices as well - building up slowly to help deal with intolerance.
@@misstalulah9063 I’ve done the GI map I’m on the path to healing now. Don’t waste ur time- just get tested !
Carnivore diet helped most of my issues.
Carnivore diet caused all my problems.
@@smartfart9003 same, carnivore diet I thought was helpful at first it caused the h2s sibo I think...
@@smartfart9003 any updates? There's any diet that helped you?
TUDCA helped me with carnivore and TTFD
I skipped trough the video to look for a study or anything couldn't find one.
plenty here for your homework, which I linked in description:
www.eonutrition.co.uk/post/sulfate-iv-chronic-sibo-gut-dysbiosis-as-a-protective-adaptation-to-supply-sulfate
It can't be. There are root causes to sibo, mine is simply getting food poisoning
Consider using MSM...
If you have Hydrogen Sulphide SIBO, MSM causes severe diarrhea.
@@margaretstewart7404 and brain fog, anxiety, worse bloating
Saying allot of nothing
Too much Mambo jumbo molybdenum...
Is there a part 2?