Gentleman The C8 Corvette already has a Manual Transmission right now your saying I'm nuts No if you look at the Cutaway view inside the Transmission has Manual Gears and Shaft Usually Automatica have Clutch Drums Valve Body but C8 Transmission built by Tremec is is Manual Transmission with Shift Actuators. Ferrari started using that Concept since Early 90s in Formula 1 BMW used Manual Transmission and Clutch operated by Actuators and Electronic Control Module to Direct Signals just like there doing on C8. I'm not seeing things Google Cutaway View C8 Transmission You'll see Gears and Sliders operated by Actuators. Remove Actuators design Shift Rail system inside of Trans than Shifter and Linkage to transmission . C5 C6 C7 Shifter in Console linkage Rod that Mounted tords rear of the Car because that's where Trans axle is.
I imagine if ANYONE comes out with an aftermarket Manual Transmission for the C8 Corvette, I would bet my money on Tick Performance as the best shot of making it a reality... Thank God a company has already stepped up and has already taken $750 half payment pre-orders since they finished design and are now in the mass-production phase of their $1500 dollar Tail Lights (which look Amazing from the photos ) In which they remedied the Horrifically Fugly, factory C8 tail lights that look you could confuse em with a Camaro when you see one less than a quarter mile up the road from ya on the highway and they redesigned them back into looking like C5/C6 round Halo brake lights, but in a way that perfectly fits and flows on the back of the new C8... whether you agree with me or not, Google them first and check them out... They would personally be the absolute very first thing I bought if I ever decided that 2 Corvettes wasn't enough and just had to have a C8 ZO6 ... the factory tail lights is just too far of a departure and it looks horrible in my opinion... But in reality, if you compare the 2 photos next to each other, the company thats releasing the $1500 Aftermarket Circular Tail Lights absolutely makes the C8 look complete in coming off like and looking like a true Supercar, whereas the rear-end of the C8 with these new factory Camaro lookin tail lights looks like a complete piece of shit in comparison... it just looks "Cheap"... now they just need to put a stick in... and yes, although i havent had the chance behind the wheel of a C8 yet, I am speaking having plenty of experience, as my daily driver is a 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo with the Porsche PDK (Paddle Shift) Transmission and it great/fine and all for a small SUV and my daily driver for commuting, but if I could snap my fingers and wake up to it being a Manual/Stick Shift tomorrow, I'd love it even more... and even though they are 2 totally different feeling types of cars, I worked as a Mechanic for a few years after getting out of the Marines before using my Post 9/11 Bill for college and I was lucky enough to have a customer who owned my absolute Dream Car (besides a Corvette) thats my absolute "Bucket List/aka get my hands on one before i die someday" car... a Ferrari 458, which I've been lucky enough to at least be able to drive a handful of times when it came in ... and though I have no grounds for comparison, I can't imagine even a C8 coming close to a 458... the bottom line is, yes, of course a C8 is gonna Shift faster with its paddles but then again, 95+% of C8 owners are gonna be enjoying their cars on the road and they aren't gonna need to call Jo Shmo Customer up and say " a driver got sick and were gonna need you to fill in for them in the C8R @ Lemans 🤣... I don't care what anybody says, there's no better, more visceral feeling than being on the open road with traction control OFF, steering wheel in your left hand, 6 gears in your right hand, and 3 pedals on the floor... it simply doesn't get any better than that! PERIOD. ... Call it technology, call it whatever you want and make whatever excuse you like for it but I honestly think they did it for one big reason ... I think it's because majority of the customer base are either millennials, the ones born In the mid to late 90s to 2000 (not counting the ones of us born in the 80's who were born just after the Gen X'ers and are unfortunately lumped in with these kids today under the Millennial term) and these kids grow up with all this tech that we never had in the Nintendo days and dial-up internet, and they grow up learning all this tech like it's nothing, yet pathetically, NONE OF THEM CAN FIGURE OUT A SIMPLE H-PATTERN & FREAKIN' HEAL-TOE ON A CLUTCH!!!!... and then you probably have your midlife crisis to old timer Vette owners who aren't gonna keep the car for more than 2 years, leave it bone stock, and then trade it in for a newer one because that's just what they do... and these silver foxes who have bad backs and bad knees Chevy probably figures just wants to look the part and feel the part so why offer the car with a stick when it will just come down to a small percentage of true die-hard vette owners who are gonna want that option so obviously the minority is gonna get the shaft and not the Majority.... when I grew up as a little kid, I always thought that all Corvettes were stick shift as my dad had a 67' 427 with 4 on the floor and I didn't see my first Automatic Corvette until I was about 8 when I spent the day at work with my dad at his shop and a customer came in with a brand new C4 Corvette and I fell in love with it as soon as I saw it... so of course as a 7 or 8 year old, I asked him if I could sit in it if I promised that I wouldn't fool around and touch anything and as I was going up in the air, I remember asking him " why does this one have LETTERS on the shifter and not NUMBERS like yours??? And of course, he tells me " Because this Corvette is an Automatic, not Stick..." and of course at that age, every question was then followed up by at least 3-4 "WHY's???" And of course he got tired of repeating the same answer 3 or 4 times and the last time I said " but why would they make a car like this in Automatic, doesn't that ruin the whole point????" And I'll never forget the answer my dad gave me as his final answer to shit me up... he said " Ya really wanna know why they make this car in Automatic?... they make these cars with bullshit Automatic transmissions just so rich A**holes C*nt wives can drive them OR so their Airhead Bimbo Secretaries, who's screwin' him behind his wife's back can also use it during the work day" 🤣 ... which is why today, the dealership could call me up and tell me that they would trade me a brand new C8 for my C5R or for my C6 ZO6 and I would say "Not a chance in hell!" ... I'm prettyyyy sure that no matter how much faster a C8 Paddle shifts through gears, it's still gonna look like it's standing still going up against a fully Forged Methanol Injected 6.3L LS 383ci Stroker with Twin 67mm Precision Turbos or up against a fully Forged, Methanol Injected LS7 427ci with Twin 72mm Precision Turbos... besides, the C5 and C6 both look better than a C8 anyways... if you do pull the trigger on the C8, alls I'm sayin is don't get rid of that C5 Z06 behind ya... enjoy the new C8 and turn the C5 into a nastyyyy track-day car ... they're like a swiss-army knife of race cars... you can easily take a C5/C6 and with a few parts you can take on and off at the track, you can go from a fun drag car, to a fun circuit track car, to a drift car within 30 minutes ... AND still enjoy it on the street! ...
Same here, according to GM it can not be equipped with an MT because they would need to put a hole in the car’s central tunnel just to make room for the linkage and this would ruin the car’s structural worthiness
If GM is willing to invest and made a 7 speed manual for the C7, and say that it's physically difficult to make a good feeling manual for the C8, then I have low hopes that GM will make one.
As a JDM fanboy I agree 1000% Unless Chevy surprises all of us with a manual The C7 Z06 is where Corvette peaked & it will remain that way for all of history, because we ask know the C9 will be hybrid at best & Electric at worst
@@gwot GM does not make any parts; they write out a bid to parts suppliers, and the cheapest bidder wins. Engineers at GM design the major parts and write the specifications before for the tenders; GM is, at this point in time, nothing more than a system integrator. They don't manufacture any parts of their own any more.
@@AnnatarTheMaia thanks captain obvious. So I guess we should technically be calling every car manufacturer's parts by who supplies them instead? and call iPhones Foxconn too. GM engineered the specifications, therefore, it's a GM part, I didn't say it was GM manufactured part.
Matt Field is now putting a Mendeola transaxle in a C8 (now known as a Weddle transaxle). These Mendeolas have been used in high powered kit cars for years. As a former Viper and C5Z owner, I refuse to buy a C8 due to lack of manual trans. Maybe I'll put the new LT4 and the Mendeola in a Countach kit car. Hmmmm.
After just 8 seconds I had to stop the video because I've driven one and a dual-clutch in other cars and the click click click click shifting drives me crazy, no pun intended! Half the genius of good driving is using both hands and both feet. PERIOD ¿`_
The chief engineer for the Corvette said that GM didn't build it with a manual transmission because they couldn't find a supplier willing to design a manual transmission specifically for the C8.
This is from car and driver- “Executive chief engineer Tadge Juechter told Car and Driver that part of the reason is the desire to not breach the mid-engine C8's central tunnel: "That tunnel is the backbone of the car, and if you break the backbone, you lose a lot of structural efficiency. With a shifter, you have to have a big hole in the tunnel for the linkage to go through." Just step on it, I’m sure that requires a lot of “skill”
@@jogmas12 nope, that's not why. Here is proof, in the words of the chief engineer himself as to why: ua-cam.com/video/cHAlM-6_4_Y/v-deo.html ...he goes on about the tunnel, but at that point it's just an excuse; the bottom line is, no supplier wanted to develop one and they didn't want to foot that bill themselves either!
Whats next, they take away the steering wheel from us. Might as well because thats what an automatic takes away from my driving experience. Takes away that feeling of control, engagement, and fun at lower speeds. Thats why I just purchased a used C6 manual instead of a C8 automatic.
When the C8's start showin up on the used car market, at half the cost of a new one. I will buy one and engineer something. I have a few good ideas.....
BMW was the first to do a clutch-by-wire prototype. Hoovie's Lamborghini actually has one from the factory. They are notorious for breaking. The Car Wizard repaired it for him and shot an episode or two about it.
totally doable....by wire sequential motorcycle style shifting totally doable....both totally could also be engineered to operate in either automatic or manual REAL manual! not bogus paddle mode with autos. of course there is reverse issue which were I the engineer the car would get a coupld electric motors which could add power and reversing ability I love the idea of a shift lever you just bump back and foorth especially with clutchless quick shifter full WFO upshifts! btw no tunnel hole needed using servos the shift lever could have the best possible feel just perfect and fail safe fool proof (can not screw up a shift...impossible
Not a big car head guy but since I was ten I wanted a Corvette so here it is I bought a 2002 Lingenfelter Corvette automatic 427 it has two massive red tubes is this a twin-turbo or a supercharger there's a lot of chrome and carbon-fiber all over the engine it is torch red all red interior except for the black Dash the hood is called sharkskin it's all carbon fiber anyhow the Chrome piece inside the engine says 675 horsepower I cannot find any info on this car can anyone help me is this a rare car by the way
There is zero reason to weaken the tunnel with a hole.....simply use a sequential tranny and bump shift like a motorcycle via solenoids and for reverse? Maybe stick in a dual purpose electic motor. btw once you have electronic sequential it could easily be shifted automiatically with fly by wire clutch giving the best of both worlds IMHO becase manuals as fun as they ARE? Do SUCK in stop and go traffic
Hello vet on vets it's not a real hard swap to make this car a true manual just look at how formula cars ( open wheel RACE cars ) are set up their Transmissions are in the back if it can be done on those types of cars why can't it be done on a C8 Corvette .
@@VetOnVettes I totally agree! There just had to be a better place for it to make it look Factory, because your stereo really turn out good and always wanted to comment on that ¿`_
@@VetOnVettes and my stereo sounds absolutely fantastic and I'd like to share a story- I've owned my C5 ZO6 for 4 years and when I first bought it it just didn't sound right so I did the proverbial test and checked each speaker and the right front wasn't working. I almost bought one thinking I only wanted to go into the door panel one time, but I decided to pull it off and lo and behold the wire was disconnected and the door looked like it had never been gone into from production. The production worker probably didn't hear the click and busy talking to someone else when he mounted the door panel and it came undone, is my conclusion. I hope mine continues to work properly but in the event is the reason I watched your video ¿`_
DCT is never as better than a manual in any way shape of form Economy is subject if I lug my car in high gear everywhere I guarantee i will beat a DCT fuel economy
I heard they made a big mistake building the C8 and are thinking about canceling all future C8 versions out of fear of the talk of a V8 Dodge Viper taking away there sales.
DCT will never ever be as much fun as a manual transmission.
Gentleman The C8 Corvette already has a Manual Transmission right now your saying I'm nuts No if you look at the Cutaway view inside the Transmission has Manual Gears and Shaft Usually Automatica have Clutch Drums Valve Body but C8 Transmission built by Tremec is is Manual Transmission with Shift Actuators. Ferrari started using that Concept since Early 90s in Formula 1 BMW used Manual Transmission and Clutch operated by Actuators and Electronic Control Module to Direct Signals just like there doing on C8. I'm not seeing things Google Cutaway View C8 Transmission You'll see Gears and Sliders operated by Actuators. Remove Actuators design Shift Rail system inside of Trans than Shifter and Linkage to transmission . C5 C6 C7 Shifter in Console linkage Rod that Mounted tords rear of the Car because that's where Trans axle is.
I imagine if ANYONE comes out with an aftermarket Manual Transmission for the C8 Corvette, I would bet my money on Tick Performance as the best shot of making it a reality... Thank God a company has already stepped up and has already taken $750 half payment pre-orders since they finished design and are now in the mass-production phase of their $1500 dollar Tail Lights (which look Amazing from the photos ) In which they remedied the Horrifically Fugly, factory C8 tail lights that look you could confuse em with a Camaro when you see one less than a quarter mile up the road from ya on the highway and they redesigned them back into looking like C5/C6 round Halo brake lights, but in a way that perfectly fits and flows on the back of the new C8... whether you agree with me or not, Google them first and check them out... They would personally be the absolute very first thing I bought if I ever decided that 2 Corvettes wasn't enough and just had to have a C8 ZO6 ... the factory tail lights is just too far of a departure and it looks horrible in my opinion... But in reality, if you compare the 2 photos next to each other, the company thats releasing the $1500 Aftermarket Circular Tail Lights absolutely makes the C8 look complete in coming off like and looking like a true Supercar, whereas the rear-end of the C8 with these new factory Camaro lookin tail lights looks like a complete piece of shit in comparison... it just looks "Cheap"... now they just need to put a stick in... and yes, although i havent had the chance behind the wheel of a C8 yet, I am speaking having plenty of experience, as my daily driver is a 2017 Porsche Macan Turbo with the Porsche PDK (Paddle Shift) Transmission and it great/fine and all for a small SUV and my daily driver for commuting, but if I could snap my fingers and wake up to it being a Manual/Stick Shift tomorrow, I'd love it even more... and even though they are 2 totally different feeling types of cars, I worked as a Mechanic for a few years after getting out of the Marines before using my Post 9/11 Bill for college and I was lucky enough to have a customer who owned my absolute Dream Car (besides a Corvette) thats my absolute "Bucket List/aka get my hands on one before i die someday" car... a Ferrari 458, which I've been lucky enough to at least be able to drive a handful of times when it came in ... and though I have no grounds for comparison, I can't imagine even a C8 coming close to a 458... the bottom line is, yes, of course a C8 is gonna Shift faster with its paddles but then again, 95+% of C8 owners are gonna be enjoying their cars on the road and they aren't gonna need to call Jo Shmo Customer up and say " a driver got sick and were gonna need you to fill in for them in the C8R @ Lemans 🤣... I don't care what anybody says, there's no better, more visceral feeling than being on the open road with traction control OFF, steering wheel in your left hand, 6 gears in your right hand, and 3 pedals on the floor... it simply doesn't get any better than that! PERIOD. ... Call it technology, call it whatever you want and make whatever excuse you like for it but I honestly think they did it for one big reason ... I think it's because majority of the customer base are either millennials, the ones born In the mid to late 90s to 2000 (not counting the ones of us born in the 80's who were born just after the Gen X'ers and are unfortunately lumped in with these kids today under the Millennial term) and these kids grow up with all this tech that we never had in the Nintendo days and dial-up internet, and they grow up learning all this tech like it's nothing, yet pathetically, NONE OF THEM CAN FIGURE OUT A SIMPLE H-PATTERN & FREAKIN' HEAL-TOE ON A CLUTCH!!!!... and then you probably have your midlife crisis to old timer Vette owners who aren't gonna keep the car for more than 2 years, leave it bone stock, and then trade it in for a newer one because that's just what they do... and these silver foxes who have bad backs and bad knees Chevy probably figures just wants to look the part and feel the part so why offer the car with a stick when it will just come down to a small percentage of true die-hard vette owners who are gonna want that option so obviously the minority is gonna get the shaft and not the Majority.... when I grew up as a little kid, I always thought that all Corvettes were stick shift as my dad had a 67' 427 with 4 on the floor and I didn't see my first Automatic Corvette until I was about 8 when I spent the day at work with my dad at his shop and a customer came in with a brand new C4 Corvette and I fell in love with it as soon as I saw it... so of course as a 7 or 8 year old, I asked him if I could sit in it if I promised that I wouldn't fool around and touch anything and as I was going up in the air, I remember asking him " why does this one have LETTERS on the shifter and not NUMBERS like yours??? And of course, he tells me " Because this Corvette is an Automatic, not Stick..." and of course at that age, every question was then followed up by at least 3-4 "WHY's???" And of course he got tired of repeating the same answer 3 or 4 times and the last time I said " but why would they make a car like this in Automatic, doesn't that ruin the whole point????" And I'll never forget the answer my dad gave me as his final answer to shit me up... he said " Ya really wanna know why they make this car in Automatic?... they make these cars with bullshit Automatic transmissions just so rich A**holes C*nt wives can drive them OR so their Airhead Bimbo Secretaries, who's screwin' him behind his wife's back can also use it during the work day" 🤣 ... which is why today, the dealership could call me up and tell me that they would trade me a brand new C8 for my C5R or for my C6 ZO6 and I would say "Not a chance in hell!" ... I'm prettyyyy sure that no matter how much faster a C8 Paddle shifts through gears, it's still gonna look like it's standing still going up against a fully Forged Methanol Injected 6.3L LS 383ci Stroker with Twin 67mm Precision Turbos or up against a fully Forged, Methanol Injected LS7 427ci with Twin 72mm Precision Turbos... besides, the C5 and C6 both look better than a C8 anyways... if you do pull the trigger on the C8, alls I'm sayin is don't get rid of that C5 Z06 behind ya... enjoy the new C8 and turn the C5 into a nastyyyy track-day car ... they're like a swiss-army knife of race cars... you can easily take a C5/C6 and with a few parts you can take on and off at the track, you can go from a fun drag car, to a fun circuit track car, to a drift car within 30 minutes ... AND still enjoy it on the street! ...
No manual transmission - not buying a C8. No ifs, buts, or maybes!
Same here, according to GM it can not be equipped with an MT because they would need to put a hole in the car’s central tunnel just to make room for the linkage and this would ruin the car’s structural worthiness
I think a C8 with a manual transmission would literally make it one of the best drivers cars of the 21st century.
#SaveTheManuals
agreed
If GM is willing to invest and made a 7 speed manual for the C7, and say that it's physically difficult to make a good feeling manual for the C8, then I have low hopes that GM will make one.
As a JDM fanboy I agree 1000%
Unless Chevy surprises all of us with a manual
The C7 Z06 is where Corvette peaked & it will remain that way for all of history, because we ask know the C9 will be hybrid at best & Electric at worst
@@gwot GM does not make any parts; they write out a bid to parts suppliers, and the cheapest bidder wins. Engineers at GM design the major parts and write the specifications before for the tenders; GM is, at this point in time, nothing more than a system integrator. They don't manufacture any parts of their own any more.
@@AnnatarTheMaia thanks captain obvious. So I guess we should technically be calling every car manufacturer's parts by who supplies them instead? and call iPhones Foxconn too. GM engineered the specifications, therefore, it's a GM part, I didn't say it was GM manufactured part.
I hope someone fingers this out, i was so excited about getting a c8 until i found out it was only flappy paddle.
Just a shame
Matt Field is now putting a Mendeola transaxle in a C8 (now known as a Weddle transaxle). These Mendeolas have been used in high powered kit cars for years. As a former Viper and C5Z owner, I refuse to buy a C8 due to lack of manual trans. Maybe I'll put the new LT4 and the Mendeola in a Countach kit car. Hmmmm.
After just 8 seconds I had to stop the video because I've driven one and a dual-clutch in other cars and the click click click click shifting drives me crazy, no pun intended! Half the genius of good driving is using both hands and both feet. PERIOD ¿`_
The chief engineer for the Corvette said that GM didn't build it with a manual transmission because they couldn't find a supplier willing to design a manual transmission specifically for the C8.
Smh
This is from car and driver- “Executive chief engineer Tadge Juechter told Car and Driver that part of the reason is the desire to not breach the mid-engine C8's central tunnel: "That tunnel is the backbone of the car, and if you break the backbone, you lose a lot of structural efficiency. With a shifter, you have to have a big hole in the tunnel for the linkage to go through." Just step on it, I’m sure that requires a lot of “skill”
@@jogmas12 nope, that's not why. Here is proof, in the words of the chief engineer himself as to why: ua-cam.com/video/cHAlM-6_4_Y/v-deo.html ...he goes on about the tunnel, but at that point it's just an excuse; the bottom line is, no supplier wanted to develop one and they didn't want to foot that bill themselves either!
@@AnnatarTheMaia well, I guess the c8 is doomed forever to be clutch pedal-less racer
Must be near impossible if nobody’s done it yet.
Whats next, they take away the steering wheel from us. Might as well because thats what an automatic takes away from my driving experience. Takes away that feeling of control, engagement, and fun at lower speeds. Thats why I just purchased a used C6 manual instead of a C8 automatic.
Matt Field is building a manual C8 drift car, a full on race car though...it doesn’t look like he is keeping the interior stock....
When the C8's start showin up on the used car market, at half the cost of a new one. I will buy one and engineer something. I have a few good ideas.....
How come they can't do something similar to more modern type supercars that have Manuels, like the Porsche Carrara GT?
Porsche 911
Have never heard of a clutch pedal by wire, weird idea! Btw, which shifter do you have?
BMW was the first to do a clutch-by-wire prototype. Hoovie's Lamborghini actually has one from the factory. They are notorious for breaking. The Car Wizard repaired it for him and shot an episode or two about it.
totally doable....by wire sequential motorcycle style shifting totally doable....both totally could also be engineered to operate in either automatic or manual REAL manual! not bogus paddle mode with autos. of course there is reverse issue which were I the engineer the car would get a coupld electric motors which could add power and reversing ability I love the idea of a shift lever you just bump back and foorth especially with clutchless quick shifter full WFO upshifts! btw no tunnel hole needed using servos the shift lever could have the best possible feel just perfect and fail safe fool proof (can not screw up a shift...impossible
@@dougiequick1 A skill-less re-do of paddle shifting is NOT driving a stick.
Not a big car head guy but since I was ten I wanted a Corvette so here it is I bought a 2002 Lingenfelter Corvette automatic 427 it has two massive red tubes is this a twin-turbo or a supercharger there's a lot of chrome and carbon-fiber all over the engine it is torch red all red interior except for the black Dash the hood is called sharkskin it's all carbon fiber anyhow the Chrome piece inside the engine says 675 horsepower I cannot find any info on this car can anyone help me is this a rare car by the way
I've UA-cam it Googled it I cannot believe I can't find info on this Lingenfelter and what class is this considered
There is zero reason to weaken the tunnel with a hole.....simply use a sequential tranny and bump shift like a motorcycle via solenoids and for reverse? Maybe stick in a dual purpose electic motor. btw once you have electronic sequential it could easily be shifted automiatically with fly by wire clutch giving the best of both worlds IMHO becase manuals as fun as they ARE? Do SUCK in stop and go traffic
Hello vet on vets it's not a real hard swap to make this car a true manual just look at how formula cars ( open wheel RACE cars ) are set up their Transmissions are in the back if it can be done on those types of cars why can't it be done on a C8 Corvette .
The car’s central tunnel prevents it that’s why
HERE & Watching 2 Another Excellent VID , Comments 2 COME ,,,,,,,,,, !!! ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
A lot of good points about GM's R&D, but "that would it look Goofy!?" It wouldn't look as goofy as that volume control you Jimmy rigged ¿`_
I guess so? 🤷🏼♂️
It may be goofy I suppose. But man, without it I would wreck all the time trying to change the volume. So clunky using the screen interface.
@@VetOnVettes I totally agree! There just had to be a better place for it to make it look Factory, because your stereo really turn out good and always wanted to comment on that ¿`_
Thanks man. The volume knob was made for the steering wheel. Had to get creative.
@@VetOnVettes and my stereo sounds absolutely fantastic and I'd like to share a story- I've owned my C5 ZO6 for 4 years and when I first bought it it just didn't sound right so I did the proverbial test and checked each speaker and the right front wasn't working. I almost bought one thinking I only wanted to go into the door panel one time, but I decided to pull it off and lo and behold the wire was disconnected and the door looked like it had never been gone into from production. The production worker probably didn't hear the click and busy talking to someone else when he mounted the door panel and it came undone, is my conclusion. I hope mine continues to work properly but in the event is the reason I watched your video ¿`_
Without a manual transmission it’s not a corvette to me! I will never buy one of these!
DCT is never as better than a manual in any way shape of form Economy is subject if I lug my car in high gear everywhere I guarantee i will beat a DCT fuel economy
wait so judging by your comment youre going to sell the C5?
I would love to keep both... We'll have to see a year from now. I've already got 4 cars. 😬. Wife might kill me.
That’s what I was getting out of it also.
I heard they made a big mistake building the C8 and are thinking about canceling all future C8 versions out of fear of the talk of a V8 Dodge Viper taking away there sales.