Comedy & Wisdom, John Lloyd
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2024
- John Lloyd is a legendary comedy producer, who produced some of the biggest comedy hits of the 80s and 90s, including Not the Nine O Clock News, Spitting Image, and all four series of Blackadder.
After a mid life crisis he realised that his success wasn't making him happy, and this led to a lengthy search for meaning and wisdom.
This conversation with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller covered everything from comedy, to the nature of creativity, and the meaning of life.
They also discuss his relationship with his former flatmate and writing partner Douglas Adams, the creator of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
00:00 Intro
05:17 Personal Life
11:59 Knowing Nothing
16:32 Religion & The Origin of Ideas
26:11 Quite Interesting
30:01 Depression & Focusing on the Other
38:34 Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy & Douglas Adams
45:29 Religion & Secular Rituals
54:02 Science & Spirituality
01:02:44 Intelligence, Comedy & Wisdom
01:12:01 Paradigm Shift
01:20:17 Closing
On not knowing everything - “So now I don’t have to be right, I don’t have to win things, I can just sit back and enjoy the conversation.”
Took me 30 years to get there; and it’s very relaxing. Great interview Mr Dave.
Wonderful interview. Love John Lloyd. So much gold here. Thank you!! :)
For me, the emergence of an impending poem
Is signalled by a sudden impression
Accompanied by a thought
A feeling
A rhythm
A rhyme
A meaning
A message
A search for words
Each carefully chosen
Then sculpted and polished one by one
Until like flower petals they blossom into a poem
Emitting a scent all of its own
Intensely personal
Yet somehow universal
Magic. What a highly enjoyable talk, with an eloquent and wise human. If not two! Thank you, David and Rebel Wisdom.
Amazing to me, as someone who's really rediscovered AA after a brutal lifetime of addiction, but in the wide range of Podcasts I inbibe, a massive majority of them will at least once highlight wisdom from the program...usually expounded on by non-members, but it really blows my mind that, in an age where churches and religions have become greedy and focussed on power, utterly corrupted it seems, a vehicle was formed in the 1940s and structured in such a way that it could survive virally and free from the whims of ego to heal so many lives, not just alcoholics or drug addicts but it seems that it holds forgotten ancient truths that could very well be a path to the cure for what ails the western society in total at this time...
Had to watch this immediately again. So much of what John says about comedy is pertinent to the wider arts, especially the - doing so much comedy that you think you know what is funny. I've done a lot of painting in my time, I have no idea what I am doing, aside to say, it seems like memory, and i often think I laugh at things because it triggers my memory in a way only someone else can. Thanks
This century the human race is slowly awakening to embrace a simple/eternally complex unified spirituality:
We are One. We are each One. All is One and One is Love. (So no hell in the worst). All one need do is Shine with noble intentions, judge not, and mind your own body.
Thank you for this conversation. In Steps to Knowledge, a meditation guidebook, by Marshall Vian Summers, Marshall states the following: "Your life is necessary. It is not a biological accident. It is not a mere chance circumstance that you arrived in this world. If you could but recall what you went through to come into this world...then you would realize the importance of your being here and the importance of the Knowledge that you carry within you... There is no form of conceit here. It is simply a recognition of truth. In your evaluation of yourself, your life is either pathetic or grandiose. Yet the necessity of your life has nothing to do with your evaluation, though your evaluation can bring you closer to or take you further from this one true recognition. Your life is necessary. Understand this and it will banish your sense of self-judgment and condemnation. Understand this and it will bring humility into your self-grandiose ideas.... Consider this statement regardless of your emotions, your circumstances and whatever thoughts are prevailing in your mind, for Knowledge is greater than thoughts and is meant to govern thoughts... Feel the necessity of your own life. It does not require your evaluation... It is merely a profound experience of reality." (MVS, Steps to Knowledge)
Thank you, Janice.
So beautiful and true. Thank you for forwarding us this wisdom from that wise man.
Love this, thank you Janice.
John Lloyd is the man
Videos like these are exactly the reason why I have been subscribed to both your YT and your website.
Listened to this on the podcast version then watched the whole thing again the next day. Absolutely brilliant conversation gents.
Thanks for introducing another fascinating thinker! Many of us in the US haven't seen Lloyd before.
Bloody marvellous
Yep watching again
A bit too much all over the place for my autistic mind but still very inspiring. Thank you.
I loved the section on "where do ideas come from?"
Awesome conversation. Thanks.
Fantastic interview Many thanks.
I did not know that man. After that interview I admire that man. A lot.
David, you may enjoy the dialogues between David Bohm and Jiddu Krishnamurti. David is the one who died of a heart attack hours after he told his wife in a phone call he’d found the answer to the existential question he’d been seeking to answer his whole life.
Those dialogues remain the most brilliant to date.
I wonder what he came to understand on that day .....
I’ve had Wholeness and the Implicate Order in a shopping cart for years. I’ve held off because, well…physics, but I’m fascinated to hear that it was David Bohm that had this epiphany. It makes me smile at the wonder of what it must have felt like for him.
@@kt9495 I’ve not read that yet either. I’m thinking that it’s more understandable than we may realize since Bohm was a theoretical physicist. Thanks for putting that back on my radar. My library has it!
@@honeymaru68 Awesome! Glad we connected. I was wondering if it might be like my experience with Eckhart Tolle. I tried to read The Power of Now in 2008. I made it 42 pages, earmarked it and put it down for a decade. I remember when I found that page how at the time I couldn’t relate to it. I didn’t have the mindset to even attempt to understand it. Yet 10yrs later, I had basically lived every moment of that book and understood it wholly. That acknowledgement gave me a deeper understanding of the timing of things and the balance between action, and non action. Thanks for your comment. May the River take you where you’re meant. 🌿✌🏼
Thank you @@kt9495✨ I wish the same for you.
What a fantastic, fabulous and so very interesting interview. Superb!👍❤️
One of the best in ages
That was great. Like a pint on a Sunday on a sunny day
Really fun watch I loved it! Thank you Rebel Wisdom
Brilliant. Big Douglas Adams fan here too. Sadly missed genius.
Inspiration ! Thank you!
Thank you David, great conversation again. Could you let John Lloyd know that David Chalmers (Philosophy / Consciousness, Digital reality...) has found a possible question to the answer 42 ? He shared it during a conversation on "The Michael Shermer Show # 255" 19th March 2022 time 01:27 : "I like the idea that the question was : At what level of the simulation are we and the answer is we're at level 42. This base reality made a simulation made a simulation and there we are 42 levels down."
What a curious conversation. Lovely.
What an absolutely wonderful and interesting interview with an amazingly inspiring man! I've loved watching QI for years and I wonder if John Lloyd has had any discussions with Steven Fry about these topics. Fry often seems very sure of him self in his hard criticism of religion and spirituality.
Wonderful interview. Thanks
Wonderful interview. One of the best at RW
In referring to nature, Mr. Lloyd states there are no squares or triangles to be found. I presume he's referring to the *shape* of things; but there are squares, triangles and multiple other geometrical shapes to be found in the form of *patterns* (designs on flowers, rocks, bark...)
sure there are geometric shapes in nature - such as in snow crystals, or leafs. But still no squares or triangles. So Lloyd is still correct.
Find out for yourself,@@technopop90 There are many examples of squares and triangles to be found in nature.
David Bohm was the scientist who phoned his wife.... This was an awesome interview by the way!! (and for something else interesting - look up wikipedia page for 42) ... there's a good doco on Bohm on YT
Loved Black Adder! This was a terrific interview to listen in to, one of my absolute favorites.
Fantastic talk, I share many of his operating principles.
On the edge of my seat waiting for the claxon. :D
Wonderful conversation. I did a deep dive into Bernardo Kastrup--makes sense to me, and like John says, solves a lot of problems (questions).
You mentioned something about deep thinking and wisdom... I'm coming up on 15 minutes and he is still not done tallying up his blessings. Which btw is great - may the light of good fortune shine on everyone - but if taht is our new idea of what is interesting then I guess you mean in the way that everything at heart is interesting. Watching the light change in my stairwell is also kinda intersting.
Prediction: (and for the record I hope this si not the case as I have really had my hirozons expanded by RW in the past) What we are witnessing at the moment is the beginnings of Rebel Wisdom's slow fade into oblivion. What is the machanism that makes good things fizzle out into trivialities and how do we (and should we) precent it?
What would be amazing if there was a list of books referenced "have you read.....". I am always rewinding to find those nugs. Thanks for the excellent thought fodder!
Really fantastic interview overall - so good to hear that questioning could actually be a spiritual practise.... It is one way to quiet the monkey mind or Superego (other ways include mantras, drugs and addictions, physical activity, meditation, practise an art, compete in something, organise something etc).. But turning every thought into a question or questioning every thought that slips through is a great practise that I have just started recently - I have whole journals that are just questions) !
Does it help me? should I continue doing it? etc
Fucking great interview lads. Thanks very loads
Would be great to have a list of the books referenced in this interview?
I guess the Socratic question to the person who says 'just be kind' is what about being cruel to be kind or tough love? If that is a thing then next question is how do you know if something is ultimately kind? - because two opposite actions - one harsh or violent and one gentle and forgiving - can both be kind depending on the situation...?
SOLENT (adj.)
Descriptive of the state of serene self-knowledge reached through drink.
Nice wholesome video but i have some theoretical objections in this supposed agnostic position which i get it, to have a general sense of uncertainty and being ok with it is great and graceful attribute but the problem arises with this archetype when you totally deny the will to power or the ego it makes the negation of ego a narcicistic source of pleasure and thus bringing us back to game a. Its not a dig at John just how such notions can transform to its opposite. The best example is when John denies religion in relation with agnosticism and than proceeds to explain his religious axiom of kindness. It is like buddhism that started out with its basic axiom of focusing on reducing suffering and ignoring metaphysical questions but than ended up to form religious structures justifying them under the buddhist axiom that religion reduces suffering. My point is that having a religious structure is unavoidable and when you try to narrow it down as common moral sense like be kind or reduce suffering you end up contradicting yourself and doing all sorts of mental gymnastics. Such common sense moral rules are not enough because humans inner symbolic structures are much stranger and need deeper and more sofisticated religious and analytic frameworks.
Interesting take. Also you may be surprised how sophisticated and deep some people will find people this fella's thoughts. Giving them something more sophisticated or deep will be an immediate turn off. Same thing with your buddhism example. Some people NEED chants and icons (tankhas) and rituals and costumes, and crowns and jewelry, and religious believe in Lord Buddha as a pillar for their wondering mind. This guy is very much "zen" (in principle, not literally japanese Mahayana Buddhism or new age California bullshit) in his approach.
I thought Second Album Syndrome was because you've had your whole creative life to work towards something. Your first album. Your message to the world. Then you've got, say, a year to find something else to say and avoid repeating yourself. For plenty of people, depending on the nature of your inspiration or what you've got to say, that's not long enough.
I’d love to check out the telepathy website John mentions at the end. I couldn’t quite catch it. Anybody help?
Laughter is the rejection of something that's illogical or an absurdity.
X is Y. Wrong
The word you were after for the one principle might be 'logos'.
Are we prepare to live life at this level of understanding? I know that more and more people are. Our elites must be there also. War is not acceptable at our level of being. We must shout or show up as Wilber says and demande that elites behave with the knowledge that John is so efficiently presenting through his own story.
"We","Our elites", "We", "We must shout', "We must demand". Pathetic
Sadly most politicians don't realise the universe (and the people they represent) can do fine, perhaps better, without them.
I am is why I think and I am not the one I think I am.
"Get a beach house, that's the best advice, get some coastal real estate"....."we like to gather on frontiers, between air and land, where space meets time, life likes being on the edge"
(Paraphrased from memory, Mostly Harmless, by Douglas Addams)
I think I feel your pain.
Ok, just been answered..
I liked a lot of this, even though there were a number of things I found difficult to accept. No problem. That's no big issue.
But the comment on Finland's education system isn't true. The country has been held up as a model of progressive teaching, but is it a coincidence that the people advocating that approach already believed in such a strategy?
The no homework comment also isn't true.
And Finland's recent progress has been less impressive with the country not being top of international league tables.
And have a look at its suicide rate - nearly twice that of the UK.
The answer to the meaning of life is 42 - Isn't that because that is the average age when people discover the meaning of life?
No.
@@dei2226 ... thanks ... i guess, clearly, since many or most people never find the meaning of life, that would skew the average to infinity..what about if you only consider the average age of those who do?😅
@@socraticsceptic8047 so your meaning of life is pointless speculations?
@@dei2226 lol I think I must have too much time on my hands!
@@socraticsceptic8047 1 not sure what "too much time" is supposed to mean (talking of meanings). 2 You do not strike me as a skeptic, based on your replies (regarding nickname)
Weirdly, I see how close the chairs are for the host and guest and it even made me uncomfortable that 2 people were so close, knee to knee. Could you consider pulling those chairs a bit further apart? Just a thought...
QI?
Tortured.🌈🦉
I wish Peter Cook was still here.
Lloyd is a lovely guy and his values irreproachable, unexceptionable - but I still don't see how what he's saying isn't simply an (understandable) effort to make ethics, politics and the meaning of life congruent with the nature of the cosmos. There's no law that says these things should be congruent, surely?
So, basically, paganism