White Cloak Youth Group Councilor is who I was born to play. Also, because people like to put words in my mouth, just because I criticized some elements of the episode doesn’t mean I hated it. Please listen to what I actually say and don’t take me out of context to push your own view either way.
Nah, middle ground opinion is absolutely forbidden, either with the whitecloaks or on Twitter of time. Equally not open to feedback fandom. In both case, nostalgia reigns, making them incapable of any type of balanced constructive critical thinking. Sad.
on that note, were you serious when you asked how could Nynaeve track Lan? cuz that's in the books, she totally embarasses him there too (but in private)
@@RushavMohanty , track them (possibly via feeling Moiraine too....not only her upbringing- absent in the show), yes. Threaten his life, for real? No. Anyway, neither in the book or in the show was Lan ever in any real danger. (As she said " you can ask, don't mean I answer", here, she can threaten, doesn't mean she had a chance)
Watching with my wife who is new to WoT commented on the dolls name. “What did she call it?”, with a rye smile I pause to explain the valor of Birgitte Silverbow, hero to the Horn or Valere. My wife is 💯 onboard with Birgitte and will probably go full Karen if they don’t put her in the show.
My explanation for why Logain could see Nynaeve's burst of power is not that he saw her channeling, but that she literally created a bubble of floating light that everyone could see.
Yeh, confused why this is so tricky for people to wrap their heads around. It was light, not weaves that lit everything up and was reflected on the cave walls etc.
I thought he was looking at her in wonder not because he saw her channel or any light but because she was screaming and her braids were flying around her head!!
The angle Mat holds the dagger when he points at the Fade really sells the possession for me. It almost seems that the dagger is holding his arm up with the way it looks.
For me, that scene with Perin and the lady from the Tu’athuan talking about “What better revenge on violence than peace?” really resonated with me. What’s funny is that I didn’t really connect with the travelling folk in the books, but really like their portrayal here
Yes, but (spoilers ahead) I think he pokes someone for the first time in the end of book 2. So if it is to be shown in the series, it must be in the end of season 2, maybe...? It's too much time to think about this.
I liked the scene with Perrin and Ila! The story about her losing her daughter and wanting to make a better world for her daughter to live in when the Rad turns out her soul again made me tear up. Truly beautful! What greater revenge against violence then peace!
I have no idea why, but the last scene with logain, everything from when Moiraine begins speaking to him untill when he's gentled was what really sold this show for me. It was powerful.
I diddn't see enough braid tugging for that ending to happen the way it did, still like it. That fade though. That fade materializing through the shadows and a wicked fast blade sold me
The Aes Sedai flying into the wall looked a bit clunky, but overall it was pretty darn great. But for some reason the scene where Perrin talked to the Tinker mom really hit me lol. Love me some strong discussions on the flaws of human nature and the strength needed to overcome them.
@@jossecoupe446 I can't wait for Rand to walk through the pillars after seeing the overgrown sky scraper. Its little things like that this show is doing magnificently
My best guess on the barn scene: Dana, the dark friend from e3 said she summoned a fade and you can’t outrun a fade. That said, I think the fade showed up to take or kill Mat and Rand, but because Mat is so affected by the ruby blade he took from Shadar Logoth that he actually sensed the fade and chased it into the house while the fade went on a killing spree and trying to hide from Mat. It’s already been noted that Mat’s dagger was clean when he pointed at the fade and there was no blood on his clothes. The ruby dagger will be explained in later episodes, so I won’t say anything about that now. May you always find water and shade:)
I find it ironic that Dana was thom’s lover in the book and got killed for relationship with Thom and in the show they made her also die shortly after being introduced but made her a dark friend 😂
The line the Tinker dropped "What greater revenge against violence than peace. What greater revenge against death than life" was an original from the show, and that SHOCKED me, because it sounded exactly like something Jordan would have written.
honestly my fav line from the episode, and I can already see how that shapes Perrin's perspective on violence, and how he copes with causing the death of his wife
Also when Illa calls out the axe.... It really powerfully slams home the Way of the Leaf because of what happened with Perrin's wife. That was such a good scene!
I think the end worked very well. I think the amount of people being wounded at the end was needed to emphasis her power and call back to the earlier statement of a radiant sun versus a pin prick of light, but the channeling could only really take place because of her bond with Lan.
I appreciate his viewpoints on this and other scenes because they would work better filmed his way but he has a writer’s eye and I do not so I am feeling great with what we got
@@kathryncainmadsen5850 I’m not saying she wasn’t pissed, I’m just saying she didn’t look like she was pissed. I’m thinking comic bookJean Grey when she finally turns to the dark Phoenix.
I think the mass Healing was necessary to reflect to the audience Nynaeve's incredible strength in the power (and in Healing in particular). We've seen several cases of an Aes Sedai healing one person at this point, so seeing Nynaeve heal just Lan in a burst of anger/emotion wouldn't really seem very awe-inspiring or powerful. The Heal bomb made it clear truly how powerful she is. Personally, I loved that scene and found it very effective.
I like how its established in the beginning of the episode when moraine is healed how difficult it can be to heal a small wound and leaving quite a big scar, so seeing how "easy" Nyaneve healed everyone really establishes her power, also i think Nyaneve will be back in the "Who is the dragon" - reality show. (altho keen eyed viewers will know that Moriane allready disregarded her as an option)
@@TheRacoonGhost Good point about the comment showing how difficult healing (even one person) is. It's a nice touch. About the 'who is the dragon' -- they also made a point of showing that even Moiraine is doubting herself about who the possible candidates are, in her conversation with Lan, where she seemed really unsure and said even the Dark One doesn't seem to know any more than they do about who it is. Keeping all the candidates on the table and the mystery alive.
The Nynaeve anger scene to me who hasn't read the books seemed actually good. I interpreted her anger as not only coming from Lan dying but also because they are supposed to help her find her friends (basically she'd not only going to lose this new friend she has made but also she'd lose (a way to find) her old friends)
Agree with your take on this, also I don't think everyone else was dying in that scene only Lan, the rest of them were either stunned or just wounded to varying degrees and he was the only one she was trying to heal. Everyone else that she healed was just overflow. This was a way to establish just how incredibly powerful she is with the one power. Also it kind of plays into the whole "who is the Dragon Reborn" mystery approach they want to use to create more intrest in the Two Rivers group as a whole and make everything less Rand specific. Oh yeah, after that whole translating the last thing my Mother said to me before she died scene, Nyneave is totally and completely in love with Lan everything she did in that cave made perfect sense for her character.
In addition, I think the whole episode showed her annoyed at the least, or rather, ever since we re-connected with nyneve in ep2, she's had a simmering anger (if not already since when she was slighted in the inn, then talked with Moraine in the cave, and then her village was attacked and she was dragged off - etc) - she has been simmering with anger/rage for all these things that happened the whole time; and then the guy she had a little bit of a bond with and the annoying others who are her way to find her friends/the kids under her charge gets killed by a douche channeling guy? Hence the: NO WAY, NOPE, NOT HAPPENING outburst, I'd say.
I've seen multiple people on the WoT subreddits claim that they actually were surprised by finding Liandrin at least somewhat likeable, so I don't agree that the reds are potrayed universally as baddies. Hell, even her reckless attempts at convincing the Aes Sedai of gentling Logain without trial are somewhat justified by the ending of the episode. I definitely don't like her, but she is FAR less comically evil than in the books, so that's a critique I really struggle to agree with. Right now, she appears to be the exact right amount of evil.
Liandrin SEEMS a lot more human. Remember who she is, if the show does her any justice, you are going to look at this episode in a different light later on. In this episode, what did she want? And what did she get by the end? Oh that's right, what she wanted.
Umm, we don’t absolutely know that Logain killed Kereni Nagashi. The murder is not in Logain’s interest. There is one other person present for whom the murder of an Aes Sedai is very much in their interest, but that way megaspoilers lie.
@@nathanprime2434 yeah when Moraine looks at her she realized that. Plus she was reminded as a red, that she should be advocating for the letter of the law.
Thom doesn't get emotional; it's counter productive, he protects them from a fade instead. He can't fix things for his nephew, but he CAN help these boys who are obviously in a spot of trouble.
The way he responds emotionally in the book is very controlled and more anger towards the Sea Sedai and himself for failing to protect his nephew. Being tearful isn't really Thom.
I think this was my favourite episode so far. Lan translating the Old Tongue hit me HARRDDD and I thought the final bit of the episode was epic. I also loved the way that Logain was clearly crushed when he realised he wasn’t the Dragon Reborn - I think that’s why he gave up like you mentioned. I think the show established that he really believed it was his destiny to be the Dragon and “bind the world” and so having the realisation that it wasn’t made him lose his motivation to fight back.
Holy crap I just realized Lan never refers to himself as al'Lan Mandragoran because the "al" is an honorific. But the other warders use the honorific when they refer to him. That's a subtle little bit of characterization, and I am HERE for it. Daniel Henney over here, giving off some serious Worf vibes in the best way possible. 👍
Seeing the raw, visceral power of the male half was awesome. But, seeing how powerful Nynaeve was was *chef's kiss*. I really hope they keep the showdown with Aginor. It should be just insane.
as a viewer who has not read the books, i really liked this episode and this felt like the first one that really got me to sit up and care about the characters. it thought the last scene was really powerful and overall liked it. this episode makes me even more excited for whats to come.
Yes, same (from someone who's read the books)! I feel like maybe because the plot was completely off-book I was able to just relax and enjoy the journey rather than picking at the differences or changes I didn't like... (Which I have been struggling with a lot in the first three episodes.)
@@LizOzone Same, before sitting down to watch this one I just said "it's a 4th age but not the exact one from the books" I think I would've liked this episode regardless because it was awesome. But, it really helped to not nitpick the differences but be interested in them instead.
same here, i never read the book, it didnt feel to me aes sedai feels weak, it just shows that the dragon is really really powerful. i enjoy the episode alot, feels more well paced than the prev episodes and we learn the world more too!
In my opinion the shows a lot better than the book. It improves on the book dramatically. Especially the first book which I found extremely boring and repetitive. They just keep running to town wondering if the Innkeeper is a darkfriend or if they can be trusted and then chased out by monsters and they repeat it like three times until midway through the book when Matt finally gets the dagger at the cursed City.
What do you mean, "even though I'm kinda wondering, like, how would Nyaneve track Lan? He's, like the best at not being found"? She specifically tracked him in the books after Shadar Logoth, which was the first time in the books he was strongly impressed with her. In the books her father trained her in her woodsy ways, but here it was probably the wisdom that raised her. And for Nynaeve outburst moment, I just assumed she channeled "dirtily", giving of a lot of light as a byproduct.
she used the one power to track him just like she used the power to become Wisdom at a young age - she just didn't realize she was doing it. This is not a gender thing where the story is saying she couldn't possibly track because she is a girl. It's simply saying that Lan is a professional Warder and he DOES have the skill to evade her tracking. But he doesn't know yet that she is a bad ass with the power. She is literally a sleeping giant.
@@Alchemae The book never said anything about her using the power to do so, but it did go out of it's way to explain that she did in fact, learn tracking from an expert woodsman before this, and was really good at it. There isn't a good reason to assume she did anything with the power. As for 'Lan should be good enough', we actually don't know how good at evading detection he is, as it stands, he might be less competent simply for relying on the warder cloak at times, and he probably wasn't expecting on being tracked by a consummate professional, when on the run from trollocs and whatever the bat creature is (for some reason I just can't recall the name of it). Him them being able to be tracked by such a person and not being perfect under stress makes a lot of sense.
@@adrianbundy3249 The books clearly state that her healing was effective because she was channeling unconsciously. Her ability to listen to the wind is due to her ability to channel. All her abilities is wisdom we're from her ability to channel. Her abilities to track were successful because she could channel. I'm not saying she wasn't taught just like she was taught to be a wisdom but the efficacy was from channeling. . Lots of people are taught by experienced woodsmen to track but none of those could track Lan. It was her secret that enhanced her abilities.
@@Icarion1 That wasn't a useful indicator though. That came into play later when she pinpointed the inn. It was explained that in that power, she needed to be in close enough proximity (like being in the city helped), she could get a good location. It is nothing like the warder bond, where a person knows where another person is at all times, or at least the direction. Besides, this with the inn, and her power here, it all came after. After the party split. No, we are talking about the first time Nyneave came and tracked Lan and co, in the woods. And that is the thing - she tracked them as a party, not just the good antiwoodsmen come to think of it. She joined the whole group on the way to shadar logath, before really leaving the province of the two rivers iirc the location in my mind right after them losing their tail temporarily.
Book vet here: I have to say that I’m loving Nynaeve as much as I did in the books (just sooner than I came around in the novels). The final scene got me. Logain’s reaction to the power (no matter how he sensed it) was a fantastic way to showcase his realization of being inadequate (in the big picture) and understanding Moraine’s message. No matter how powerful he is, there’s always going to be someone more so. While the stilling portion of the scene was a bit janky as you said, I FELT Logain’s pain more than I ever did reading the novels. My wife (not a reader of the books) physically had goosebumps when Nynaeve broke through her block. Mine came with Logain’s stilling. Well worth the watch so far, even with the few niggles I’ve had. Thanks for the great videos, keep em coming!
Daniel: "I don't want things that aren't supposed to go in my mouth, going in my mouth. I'm a huge germophobe." Also Daniel: Snorts strange white powder off a knife from a recently opened package. Again Also Daniel: Stuffs letter from a complete stranger directly into his mouth and begins to chew.
Mat's "I see you" moment with the Fade was just so perfect, and the way the Fade appears from the shadows and attacks has serious "Alien" vibes that I really appreciated.
I can’t get over how logically stupid that scene is. Fade is there to catch them, but instead of doing that, he kills everyone but it’s targets and hides in the attic. What the actual fuck!?
@@SonOfSeth A fade can’t track them specifically it probably could only pinpoint a general location. It’s not like ajah and their guardians who are linked emotionally and basically even geologically who can exactly pinpoint where they are.
@@SonOfSeth Myrddraal lead trollic armies, but just wait till you see the forsaken LOL some bad ass evil channelers. They mainly just kill but they try to find the dragon reborn‘s also so they can corrupt them like the last dragon ishamael Who was the last dragon reincarnated but was lacking good intentions to say the least
The fact that we are being shown Barney Harris as Mat is torture. The more I watch him, the more I feel he is the visual representation of what I imagined in the 3 years it took to finish these books. I am genuinely distressed that he is not carrying on in the role !
Hes the one actor that is actually somewhat portraying the real character of mat. Except for the thieving I'd say his character is about the only one that's somewhat accurate.
@@PlumpPotatoRump he refused to get vaccinated for covid-19 and he got sacked cuz of it can't say I blame the studio though... can't say I blame Barney either...
I think Nyneve’s look in her eyes at the end, was also partially her suddenly realizing she could channel as well. Much like in the books, she feels she is becoming something she hates. I am VERY impressed with her acting, but Moirane and Alan are my favourite actors so far as well.
That look of defiance in Nynaeve's face at the end sold me on her and really made me see the Nynaeve I know from the books for the first time. I got goosebumps and chills. Nynaeve needs to be angry to channel because her anger overrides the terrible fear Nynaeve has of all that power. She hides in her anger. So a look of defiance after Channelling is precisely the right emotion for me. She would be defiant to mask her fear and to help her redirect the emotion to an external target. This is exactly how Nynaeve behaves in the books so for me they .. Nailed it.
Perrin's actor (I'm bad with names) has absolutely nailed the role. I think for the character he's playing, he's perfect. I imagined a younger looking woman as Moiraine, not that this actress is a bad pick--in fact, she's pretty awesome--just not what I had pictured while reading the books. I also think the actor for Mat is doing a phenomenal job, shame he's just in this first season.
Logain didn't fight back at the end because he believed that HE was the dragon reborn and then this belief shattered when he felt Nynaeve's strength. He was too devastated by the loss of his self image to be able to fight back.
Echoing what others in the comments have said, I think the final scene from Moiraine entering the cave to speak with Logain through Nynaeve's burst of healing went over really well with non-book readers. My husband, a man who generally picks everything apart in every show, was like WOW, and was very invested in what was happening. He only asked me why she hadn't healed anyone before then, which I told him would be explored more in the future, so WAFO. It's good to have questions, it's something that makes people want to watch the next episodes! He was totally emotionally invested in that entire scene. Also, he already loves Moiraine, said he just loved the scene with her manipulating Logain, while also easing her own doubts, and how fearlessly she confronts him even while she is essentially alone and he is unshielded. Last note on Mat, I actually loved that they made everyone, even book readers, think for a split second that Mat might have murdered people in his own fit of madness, but then gave us that probably out. I am LOVING how each scene is new and fresh and a total surprise to even long time book fans! Also, I cried when the little girl tried to give Mat her Birgitte doll. I don't even know why, just started crying.
Love all of what you said. I cried during the ending Nynaeve scene, and during the Mat/Brigitte scene. The show is really gaining momentum with these heavy emotional beats.
Also haven't read it but episode 4 won me over after having serious doubts from the first 3. Lam's explanation of the old words brought a tear to my eye. And while the Aes Sedai seemed under powered in the forest fight, the explosion of raw power from Nynaeve was hugely impressive and probably has all non-readers thinking "she is the one!"
This episode made me so emotional, Perrin's scene with Ila, Lan's gift to Nynaeve and Nynaeve going Super Saiyan were highlights for me. This might be my favorite episode so far and I feel it would be the most accessible for non-readers with all the explanations they get. The biggest flaw of the episode? The next isn't immediately available. ;)
First episode that actually made me excited for the next. If the series continues like this even if it's not every episode it'll be way better than i was expecting. The first 3 were just below what I would've guessed. This was actually awesome.
Hey Daniel, the only thing I see wrong with your redo scene is that I’m not sure that would convince viewers that nynaeve healing just one man is *that* impressive.. not impressive enough for Logain to get distracted enough anyways. Her instantly healing a whole room, however, serves that intent a little better. I think that was the intention, anyways, and personally, I had a small little tear trying to come out at that scene so it was emotional enough ;) -edit… I also didn’t believe that anyone else’s life was in immediate danger from the damage other than Lan, so I feel that emotionally it serves the same purpose as your scene. Everyone else seemed to just get nicked
I think Daniel is underestimating the scene's actual effectiveness and his proposed re-shoot would land with less punch. The non-readers I watched the show with both said that it was clear that Nynaeve was worried about Lan exclusively, and that she obviously didn't know what she was doing but just wanted to save him. She throws so much power into her accidental healing that she healed the entire room and not just Lan. So, for at least two non-readers they are at least primed for the idea that Nynaeve can be incredibly strong but only in certain situations.
@@miTigger55 Yeah, but any yellow worth her salt could fix that up. (Personally, I was wondering if Moraine had the presence of mind to get that handle out of her gut when the healing wave came.)
I agree. The scene didn’t have as much emotional weight because of the shotgun blast, as he put it, but the point was to show Nynaeve’s power. It’s later revealed that the Aes Sedai are much weaker than they have been in the past, and that Elaine, Egwene, and Nynaeve are more powerful than most if not all of the other Aes Sedai of the current time period in terms of the amount of raw power they can wield. Nynaeve is even more powerful than the other two. Healing one slit throat doesn’t demonstrate that raw power. The show runners wanted to show she’s the most powerful person the room (cave) even though what she does is by instinct. I’m sure her power will be a major talking point for the Aes Sedai in the next episode.
When it comes to the hand motions, I think they’re expanding on a minor theme in the books that the tower trained aeis sedai tend to use unnecessary hand motions because that’s how they were taught those weaves but people like the kin (although they may not know as many weaves as an aeis sedai) are faster channelers because they don’t rely on hand motions because the kin specifically try to hide their ability from others
True, and its super obvious when comparing Logain and the Aes Sedai's weaves. Logain's far more mobile than the Aes Sedai when channeling since he doesn't waste time on poses and hand signs. I'm curious if they'll have Egwene, Elayne, and Nynaeve pick up the hand signs too or keep it more natural. With Nynaeve being so independent and largely self-taught and Egwene getting so much of her training from the Wise Ones, I feel like it'd make more sense for them to not do it
I agree and imagine as the show goes on that we will see the distinction between 'tower trained' weavers and instinctual (or some other training method) weavers become more apparent. Logain's channelling looked very different from the sisters, Nynaeve's blast at the end of the episode different again. I think it also serves the purpose of making the weaving more explicit and interesting for a visual medium. Which, will likely pay off down the track when we see weaving from different groups. I imagine that the Wise Ones chanenling will be chorographed to look distinct from the Kin and they'll both look different to the Windfinders. Which could lead to some cool mixed styles for Egwene, Nynaeve and Elaine.
In the first episode(maybe the 2nd)at the white cloak camp the yellow aeis sedai had her hands cut off while on the stake. Are they implying there powerless without them?
I see Nynaeve’s anger stemming from a) her only friend Lan dying as you said but also b) literally the only chance of her finding the other Emond’s Fielders again going down the drain. Without Moiraine or Lan, Nynaeve feels her only way of finding them slip through her fingers. Lan had also confirmed that they’d work together to do this once they got to Tar Valon
@@DanielGreeneReviews Well, yes but actually no? On one hand it could be taken to a new viewer with how the show portrays who’s going to be the Dragon figured Nyneave was the dragon (which I shouldn’t have spoiled it was instead her having a potential outburst moment) so the connection aspect really depends on execution of what the show has in store.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I think it did. She was obviousy pissed off at how powerless she felt to stop the fighting. This is the second time in few days that she cant save people during an attack, and now her friend is potentially dying. She defenetly gave everybody the largest fuck you ever.
@@DanielGreeneReviews also I believe it established anger when she was seeing everyone dying around her. Seeing people hurt and die angers her immensely.
@@MissCaraMint All the pieces are there for Nynaeve to be as pissed off as she was, but the show itself doesn't tell us any of that. I wouldn't say she gave anybody a fuck you. Sure, that makes sense for book Nynaeve, but nothing in the show suggest that at all. The battle in this episode was entirely different in every way to the previous situation in the two rivers. Nobody was dying, everyone around her seemed in control, even she herself was able to fend off someone who got to her. If instead it paralleled the two rivers attack, and the show made that clear, then what you're saying would make sense, but it doesn't.
2 things. 1. It's established in the books that Aes Sedai clean their clothes with the power. Clean clothes for them shouldn't be odd, especially days after they took Logain. Especially since they didn't take him in battle, they snuck into his tent and shielded him while he was sleeping. 2. It's also established in the books that there can be a backwash of power while healing a specific person. Her healing everyone was an expression of the strength of her power while she was healing Lan.
@@jamescharles5907 but it was possible. Yes she was touching the one being healed but an aoe effect is reasonable. If anyone could have pulled it off it was nyn.
It's bad though as Logain was still way more powerful than Nynaeve 🤷♂️ Robert Jordans own power chart has him 7 tiers above her. Logain is supposed to be 1 power tier below the absolute most powerful channelers of the Dragon, Moridin/Ishamael/Ba'alzamon & Rahvin. I loved the addition of Logains story which we only hear of in the books but it does have some issues. The Aes Sedai look incompetent & weak when they are the superpower of the world at this point in the story. There should be a full circle of 13 to shield Logain with an army of thousands surrounding them and Warders that don't let their guard down for bonding & beer. 🚨SPOILER ALERT 🚨SPOILER ALERT🚨 Makes it difficult to see Nynaeve fixing Logain abilitys to channel again in future like she does in the books when she just witnessed him kill an entire room of people.
@@jt5765 I don't think they have to have 13 do they? I thought that was custom. It depends on how powerful they are. Moraine and Alanna and Liandrin are very strong.
Great stuff! I personally couldn’t have loved the ending fight scene more. I was breathless and on the edge of my seat. The scene where Lan translates the Old Tongue phrase for Nynaeve felt like the perfect setup for that climax.
i think this episode is the strongest so far. it doesn’t feel as rushed, the characters finally get to settle down and talk. there’s a lot of changes but still feels like wot
By far the furthest episode away from WoT. I enjoyed the first half and was just annoyed the rest of it. Little worried on what they are doing with the deletion of Saidin/Saidar dynamic as well.
@@brednbudr2406 What's missing about it? Everything still seems to be in there as far as I can tell; who can see whose weaves, surrender vs domination, etc etc. The bonus video is even specifically about Saidin and Saidar and its practically taken straight from the book. Atm it just feels more like they haven't gone into it much rather than its been deleted, and tbf even at this point in the books channeling is presented as sort of a generic magic system. The real depth didn't come in till around Book 2-3. I'm holding final judgement for Egwene and Nynaeve's training in the White Tower, that's really the first chance they'll get to properly expound upon channeling in an organic way
The reds are depicted as "evil" in the early books, it helps solidify and explain the fear a male channeler would feel against the Aes Sedai. It isn't until later that they become more nuanced. Nynaeve finds Lan and the gang by tracking them in the book so there is nothing strange with that. "There was nowhere for you to go except Baerlon. To be safe, though, I followed your trail." - Nynaeve, chapter 16, EOTW. Lan is "truly surprised" by this. The clean clothes makes a clear distinction between the ordinary people and "important" people like the white cloaks and Aes Sedais. A nice touch here is that the Edmond's Fielders all have dirty clothes which strengthens the notion that they are common folk. I agree that the battle sequence was a bit messy but I enjoyed the fact that it was not dark or raining. This I think should be more related to the touch of the dark one, providing even more of an ominous feeling when shadowspawn are involved. The mass healing was a good way to show Nynaeves power without having to have forced dialogue about her strength in the one power and the fact that Login reacted so strongly to it keeps the identity of the dragon reborn still uncertain. I also don't think that Login could see her weaves rather he saw a strong light because she actually created a strong light while healing. This wouldn't be strange considering the fact that she has no idea of what she is doing.
I'm hoping the light only he saw. The sisters would've been imporessed by her weaves and power, but Logain was impressed by how strong of a Ta'veren she is. It likely manifested at the same time as she drew that much of the one power.
These are all the same thoughts I had watching this video and I really think that all the negatively directed at the show whilst being overly critical of everything, is only going to get the show cancelled that much quicker.
Logain was holding the power himself when Nynaeve heals everybody, her weaves also made contact with him. Its made clear in the books that men and women recognise when their weaves are impacted by another channeler (regardless of gender), and that they can also gain an impression of relative strength when this happens. My take was that he didn't see her weaves, just felt the amount of power she released and witnessed the results. He recognised that she was more powerful than him and immediately understood that he wasn't the dragon Reborn. I don't think that it was inconsistent with the books at all, (necessarily)
I don't know about the first part but the strenght part is inconsistent with the books, Logain is alot stronger than Nynaeve acording to the WoT Companion.
@@christianporomaa Doesn't Nynaeve shield him at one point in the books? The power levels in the Companion don't completely match up to what we see in the books imo.
@@qasim1901 she did but that part of the book also mentioned that she threw all her strength into the shield until she neared the point of pain, and the shield still bulged, but she knew he wasn't using his full strength, more like a flex where he was testing the shield, and satisfied, sat back comfortably.
@@tuesdae666 I've always thought she was wrong about him not using his full strength because it doesn't make sense for his character. Wouldn't he be doing everything he can to quickly break free and escape? I don't think he would be fine with being shielded, especially with the way the madness affects him and the likelihood of him being gentled.
I thought the scene with Nynaeve healing everyone was pretty good. It did a pretty good job introducing us to the fact that Nynaeve is extremely powerful in the One Power.
For the first time I disagree with you, I thought this episode was great! And the foreshadowing of what Nynaeve does to Logain in the future I thought was great. They are setting things up for the future of the story very well.
One subtle chemistry build for me was Lan instinctively stepping in front of Nynaeve when the army start approaching. I also loved the contrast in the end scenes of Nynaeve looking around at all the other women being SO helpful/powerful, and she clumsily pulls out a flimsy knife by comparison. Felt like the whole point was to establish the contrast in how powerless she felt, to how powerful she is/became
But it also makes logical sense. At that point in time she was the only non trained fighter in the whole group. She was the only one who really couldn't take care of herself at that level.
This show honestly feels revolutionary for the way it shows things like Rand offering genuine support to Mat without turning it into a joke, or Lan and Moiraine being deeply intimate and clearly caring for each other without it being sexual. Also, HOLY FUCK NYNAEVE YES. I thought they were setting up a subplot to make us think she might become a warder but OK GUESS NOT!
Daniel, Nynaeve does track Lan in the books as well. Her father taught her to track. That she tracked him I think was one of the things that attracted Lan to Nynaeve in the books initially as well.
I personally assumed for the ending scene that they are just changing it so men can see women's weaves, instead of just sensing them. Or, there is actual light as a byproduct of massive amounts of channeling. Like when Liandrin drew too much and her face started to glow.
There’s a couple of possibilities here: 1. Men can see women’s weaves (yet Moiraine explicitly said women can’t see mens weaves earlier in the episode, so this is either a contradiction or an odd choice) 2. Nynaeve weaves light to distract Logain. This may or may not be her first time channeling; if it isn’t her first time, the light could be a distraction she made intentionally. 3. The light represents Ta’veren nature, and Logain is able to see Ta’veren like how Siuan can in the book. Nynaeve, therefore, is the fifth ta’veren This seems like a lore break on the surface, but I can’t believe Rafe would let something like that slide without an explanation.
It’s strange though since they just established that women channelers cannot see weaves of saidin only a couple scenes prior. I’m starting to get a bald patch from all the head scratching.
she likely weaved light as well as healing. she's untrained and probably unable to make a perfect weave out the gate and weaved light alongside the healing.
@@dsaillant811 I would offer another possibility. We know that everyone can see the results of channeling. For example, Moiraine throws a fireball, non channelers don't see the weaves, but everyone can see the fireball itself. So maybe a healing of that magnitude produces a light that is visible to everyone.
Nynaeve healing the whole room may give us less emotional depth than if she focused on just Lan, but I think they were trying to show the immense amount of power that she is capable of. Earlier in that episode they remind us of how Healing someone will drain an Aes Sedai's energy, in proportion to the severity of the wound and how many people have to be Healed. Seeing Nynaeve, completely untrained in the use of the One Power, work on a room full of people who are on the brink of death tells the audience that she has an immense capacity for power, and an instinctive understanding of the various Weaves used in Healing. And even Logain is impressed. And remember that this happens shortly after Moiraine reminds Logain that the true Dragon Reborn will be vastly more powerful than him. (I've read the books but I won't say more than what the show has showed us so far)
"but I think they were trying to show the immense amount of power that she is capable of." By having her do something that she totally is not actually capable of.
Oh yeah, it threw both Mat and Nyneave into the running for Dragon Reborn for non-readers. I was practically laughing when Thom started pointing out that he thought Mat could channel.
But what I also liked was we got Rand doing some of his special negotiation skills that happen in the books. So its like Rand, Mat, and Nynaeve all got 'DR treatment'. hehe I am fine with a bit of it I just hope they don't overplay it.
Personally, I really loved this episode. I had a different headcanon on why Logain doesn't fight harder toward the end - he's realized he's not the Dragon, and that takes the starch out of him.
As someone who's never read the books and has no idea what's to come, the show to me was trying to flag that Nynaeve is the Dragon and he realized it is her and not him because he was in awe of her power.
@@adamp6320 I hope youtube doesn't show you deleted ccomments, didn't register the first half of your comment. Didn't mean to directly send you spoilers.
I absolutely loved this episode. The best one so far. I did not mind the changes in the story and I did not find anything wrong with the way it was shot. The ending was the most invested I have ever felt about this series and the most emotional I’ve been.
100% agreed. I like Daniel's foresight and knowledge but it's kind of crazy to me just how different he's perceiving a lot of these scenes versus my own experience.
Hard disagree about the Nynaeve healing scene, thought it was extremely emotional and powerful. Thought it was edited and shot extremely well, especially as her screams of rage lasted for so long.
I agree, I felt they did the scene pretty well. Book readers know Nynaeve has the one power while new watchers are not entirely sure. Leaving her as the last one standing gives the watcher a sense of panic, (she couldn't heal Moiraine, what can she possibly do in this situation), making the last part of the scene that much more unexpected and impactful. Also, I like to think that Lan, being the badass he is, saw the projectile coming and sacrificed himself to deflect the shard from hitting Nynaeve. The shard barely misses her and hits the rock right beside her face.
yeah i loved the power and gravity they set it up for and delivered imo. i love how they represent the power so its effects are clear n therefore solidifies an amorpheous shape but u dont actually 'see' the weaves i hope at se poimt like when they do the training stuff or like when nyneave does her badassery later, they show wjat it looks like ff the perspective of an AS how they can see all the different element weaves n how they knot/tie/wrap/slide/wiggle around is complicated. i loooooooobed the intricacies of the magic system n how it was described by men n women differently n the adjectives like 'probed around with a single weave of spirit looking for any opening, the tiniest crack'
I liked when talking with Lan, after confronting Logain, Moiraine says that she doesn't know if he's stronger than EGWENE or not, and then how by the end Nynaeve showcases her potencial despite not actually being on their radar. Also, I think they prolly just made her and Egwene ta'veren in the show, considering what they accomplish during the series thats seems plausible. And Logain being able to "see" ta'verens explains how he notices the beacon of light/light aura around Nynaeve.
Exactly, Egwene and Nyneave do as much if not more than the three ta'veren (save Rand of course) so making them also ta'veren is a simple and effective choice to put them on equal footing as the three boys. I think RJ made the original choice since they were meant to become Aes Sedai which is already powerful enough and the boys don't have that same clear cut power progression so explaining their power creep through being ta'veren was a smart writing choice.
@@MistaZULE nah I think making them taveren takes away their agency. I.e., their choices are now part of the pattern rather than their own free will. Way less meaningful for them as characters.
@@Julius_Smith But then you can say the same about Rand, Mat and Perrin. i see their choices as their choices, but the pattern puts all the pieces together for them to make that choice. I don't take away the three ta'veren's agency in the story so the same woud be true for the supergirls.
@@MistaZULE they intentionally making Nynaeve a potentially dragon.thats why logaine can see her using saidar and gives up easily because he thinks he is not dragon.
Only Logain shields his eyes during the healing so I just figured it was confirming that Nynaeve is the 5th ta’veren given his talent. I quite like the channeling movements, it’s a nice indicator of the training the women have received compared to logain who barely uses any hand motions.
I also thought it is his talent, which is also established in the books, that he sees t'averen! That talent is also described by a different character as seeing a "light" or "bright halo" around a t'averen...
This episode was SO amazing. I completely disagree with the criticism. I loved the parallels between what Rand did and the story about the way of the Leaf, which adds to the poignancy of that scene. Egwene and Perrin and the tinkers was SO poignant to me. I actually felt them MORE than in the books, and I felt them pretty good in the books. Love the Nynaeve plotline, loved her heal bomb, and it's the perfect way to accelerate her story to the good parts. It also makes her a candidate to be the Dragon, which they hinted at with the "who was the fifth?" line earlier in the show. Their synchronized movements during casting really helps drive the point home that they are linked and Liadrin was leading it and the one responsible. In some ways knowledge of the books is detrimental to people enjoying the show and letting the storytellers tell the story. They don't need to explain everything right away.
This was my favorite episode so far! I have only read the books once so I am familiar with the storyline but I haven’t reread it and obsessed over the story like others have.
I agree- loved this episode and found it incredibly compelling. I read the series when I was in college, but Brandon Sanderson’s books hadn’t been written yet, so I don’t know the ending. I started a reread this fall and I’m on Lord of Chaos now. Anyway, I’m watching with 3 non book readers and they LoVeD this episode and completely understood the heal bomb. It got the point across for them that oh dang Nynaeve is really powerful and didn’t know it herself. And the way Lan stepped in front of Nynaeve instinctually when the battle started? I love it.
For the people going “how did nynaeve track Lan:” she didn’t. She tracked Lan, Rand, Egwene, Mat, Perrin, and a wounded Moiraine. Something tells me Lan wasn’t cleaning up all the signs left behind by the Edmonds fielders
@@roolenoir3183 Upset me? Lol, don't worry about that. Even if you had offended me, I wouldn't hold it against me. It seemed to me like you meant your comment as a counter to mine, so I just wanted to clarify that we were saying the same thing. (Despite the fact that I'm sure I misspelled like three different character names, I have actually read the books. Well, 1-7 anyway)
I actually really liked the Tuatha'an part of this episode. Maybe it's because I was so afraid that The Way of the Leaf would come off super corny, but I think Ila's speech about her daughter and the hopes for a better future for when she's spun out again by the Wheel was quite a compelling argument for her to have. I still fundamentally disagree with the Tuatha'an given that there's literal evil in the world that they absolutely have to be rid of, but I can at least see the appeal of it from some folks.
@@TheMightofDab That's her natural accent. She's Irish. I actually love that certain pivotal actors are being allowed to keep their own accents. Same with Spanish Logain and Danish Thom.
In the books Logain explains that he saw Rand glowing like the sun when he saw him from a distance in Caemlyn due to him being Taveren. I assumed he was seeing Nyneave as a Taveren
My favorite theory for this atm. I don't think the sisters saw anything but her strength, he saw the light and that's what made him know he's not the dragon.
@@rdarod He was in awe of nyneave and said "a raging sun". In the books he's many levels above her. He's legit one of the most powerful chanellers ever, stronger than multiple forsaken. The only mortal on his level in Mazrim Taim and no other mortal is even close. Nerfed for no reason. Very sad way to write.
@@tom4115 That could be him misunderstanding what he is seeing. If they made Nynaeve a ta’veren and she is the first one he has seen activating he may be misconstruing that as her power level since he can’t sense her power directly. It may clear things up when he sees Rand later.
Disagree with most of Daniel's comments on the emotional resonance of this episode and Nynaeve's scene.. been reading WoT for 20 years and this episode had me sitting on the edge of my sofa, shouting at the TV. I could barely sleep afterwards, there were so many *feels* The Tinkers in the book bored me a bit, TBH. In this episode, I was *moved* Nynaeve's scene wasn't in the book - and I couldn't care less. It blew everyone away. My twitter feed was full of people having *meltdowns* about it. In a good way. Logain? *(chefs kiss)* .. As soon as I saw him melt those bars I was pregnant.
Yes! Also vet book reader here, and this episode gave me shivers. I felt all of that emotional resonance, didn't find it lacking in any way. Might even have gasped out loud at Nynaeve, tbh.
Well, I agree with Daniel on this. It's possible nostalgia helped you here. 😉 In my opinion not enough time to build good chemistry between Nynaeve and Lan.
Goblin! Looking back into the dream sequence when Perrin was hammering that stack of... People? I looked back to clips shown of Perrin, more specifically, the ring he wares on his left ring finger. I dont think he's beating a Tinker. I think he's hammering away at himself.
Pretty sure it's his wife, you can see her big blonde braid. The ring could be the same either because he kept it as a memory of her or it's a wedding band made as an identical pair.
While your rewrite has merit, some thoughts on why the Nynaeve scene works as is, especially if you put yourself in non-reader shoes: 1. coming just after Moiraine's speech, it sets up another "who is the dragon reborn?" feint to go along with what Thom said about Mat (and Egwene apparently being "powerful"), 2. It makes it super clear how crazy powerful Nynaeve is, again compared to how Lan said earlier how Egwene is apparently powerful and we haven't even seen her do anything. If she's powerful, what is Nynaeve? and finally 3. having such a big outburst will make her later training and having the hate/anger block really easy to plot. Maybe you'd call it clumsily handled, but again, for non-readers it will be a really simple juxtaposition between "healed 10 people in one go" and "can't light a candle" (or whatever other novice task she's trying to do).
Also a thought, if we are to question which one is the Dragon Reborn, it could be that Nynaeve is actually channeling the male source and he could see it. As though she is a woman, perhaps the Dragon Reborn as a woman also still channels with the male side.
I've started thinking of this as a 4th age but not the one from the books. Which does in fact leave "who is the dragon" on the table. I doubt they changed it, something that core to the story, but it's entirely possible, but until I started thinking of it as another 4th age, I would've completely hated that getting changed. So I doubt they would?
@@TheHomicidalTendency I highly doubt they have, it would be way too major a change not to have leaked (even purposely, to get fans ready for it). I see it more as them using the various traits of the DR to help fill out the other characters and spread that exposition around (and add a little "mystery"). In terms of writing the show for non-readers, it's cleverly done to be honest. It's just that readers so obviously know which it is, so they obviously can only go so far in setting up the "mystery" without seeming ridiculous.
I can’t stand this whole plot line of “who’s the dragon” because it’s just well makes no sense. The only reason the dragon coming back is scary for some is because he is a male channeler…. If the dragon is suddenly female, well there goes that whole issue cause now they won’t go mad at all…
It's super unclear how crazy powerful she is. Like is she the most powerful being that ever lived by an order of magnitude to make Logain a god tier strength channeller feel like a peasant? Should they just end the series now since she could sneeze and burn the dark one from the wheel forever?
I think with the battle at the end we’re seeing it from Nynaeves perspective, which is why it feels so hectic and why we don’t really have any sense of where we are. It’s all overwhelming and is chaotic because that’s how she experiences it.
@@WoT_MatC and another call back to RJ's unreliable narrator way of writing. we never really saw how things actually are, but more how our narrator was seeing them. nice catch Kieran!
@@ijustwanttolikecomments4677 nice catch? That is not a nod to anything. It's bad directing. The end. Stop making their lack of talent into lore nods. You don't need make excuses for them. You sound like a battered wife defending her abuser
@@merc9nine my apologies if i offended you. i understand it's your opinion that it's bad directing , however your opinion doesn't equal fact. id end by saying agree to disagree but you(and many others) seem so filled with hate, like husbands who continually batter their spouses no matter their promises to change, i dont understand how anyone can live life like that. be well friend! find an excuse to smile, not frown.
As a book reader I really enjoyed that episode, though it’s different than the book, but in a good way for the show. Finally some world building with explanations which can be understood by non-book readers too. Synchronized hand moves while linking and gentling. For me that was a great idea and gave more visual impact than everyone doing nothing and linking just happening. And Nyneave…goosebumps for me for sure! Loved it.
I thought it was a good move to visualise different kinds of spells, which were named by the narrator in the books, so it will not look like in anime when ppl just describe all the times what they are doing, so you can simply guess by their moves "OH, they are making a small circle or it is a Balefire or something with lack of visualisation in books
also it emphatizes the difference in power between Logain and the Aes Sedai. They are giving it all, they are frantically making gestures: he's not. It works wonders from a visual prospective.
By far my favorite episode. I would say this is the one that has rescued the whole series for me thus far. Ms Robins is an actress as exceptional as the character she plays, and it's SO good to see! They prayer scene in particular was amazing: just watch the expressions that play out on her face! It's the most real-feeling thing this show has yet given me.
16:58 You didn't feel the emotion there? I was losing it watching Lan bleed out, and we're literally 10 minutes after Nynaeve and Lan shared a very emotionally significant moment. Nynaeve's affect landed perfectly with me. I don't think the show failed to deliver there; I think it just didn't connect for you.
Yep, me too. I think this was personal for Daniel. Even my wife, who has no background in this, was moved…in fact, the response to this scene seems to be universally positive (or maybe I’m standing in an echo chamber).
I agree, this scene had me crying and shaking! And I've read the books, so I knew these characters couldn't be dead ...but I wasn't sure if this was a change they decided to make for the show. I was about to get as angry as Nynaeve lol
Big fan of the books. Love the show on the whole so far. I really wasn't sure about Alvaro Morte when he was cast (mainly as I have a very specific image of Logain), but man, he was great and I like what they did with his character on balance. Really really interested to see where they go with him.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I like how they focused on him not being evil and not wanting to kill people if it can be avoidee, I think its going to give a really good juxtaposition to the vibe Taim is going to give off.
I don't have a problem with the hand waving - if I remember correctly one of the things established in the books is that many of the AeSedai engage in gesture when channelling, and its one of the things that sets the newer channellers apart (Logain doesn't during the episode for instance). Agree with you're 'rewrite' of the scene though. The battle and the bit with Nynaeve healing was visually muddled. The bits with Mat and Rand were excellent imo.
I like the way they handled the healing scene. I think it was important to show that not only can Nyneave channel but she is stronger than anybody else. That’s why so many people were hurt. They want people to think she’s probably the Dragon. And I think they purposely made Logain heal the king of Ghealdan so that we know he understands healing. This way when he sees Nyneave heal so many at once he knows how strong she must be.
I keep forgetting the identity of the dragon is still up in the air as far as the show is concerned, I remember Matt even asking who the fifth person that moraine said could be the dragon Edit: which is egwane, the one who has shown to be very powerful now
This episode was a 9/10 for me (my previous ratings: Ep1: 5/10, Ep2: 7.5/10, Ep3: 7/10). They managed to fit in a huge amount of lore and character progression in an hour without feeling rushed. Sure, the technical execution wasn't perfect, but I think they delivered on the story beats and foreshadowing really well. I actually think it was a good idea for Nynaeve to "Mass Heal" the group to show the extent of her power, rather than just healing one person. It quickly sets up that she is much, much more powerful than any other channeler we've seen so far, referencing how Moiraine said Loghain's power was a speck compared to the Dragon Reborn. And yes, I also squee'd at Birgitte.
Except that the books already reveal that in a much better way. Tossing out the source material and even breaking the laws of the magic system to "get a point across" quicker, is not something to applaud. Believe it or not, we don't need to know everything about each character within the first 4 episodes, or even the first season. There's a reason we all loved the books so much, and maybe they should try and stick to that...
@@brednbudr2406 The thing is the show is actually being more subtle and less revealing about a number of things at this exact point. I know this because I've basically just got to the point in the book where Thom fights the Myrddraal so it's still pretty fresh. We've actually seen more hints and straight up reveals in the book about Rand, Perrin, and Mat at this point in the story. The show has barely shown anything about Rand except that he broke down a door that was supposed to be super strong. We know that some wolves seem to like Perrin for some reason. And there's not much more about Mat except that he's got the dagger. We know more about all three of them in the books already, and there have been a number of other clues sprinkled around as well that former readers should pick up on. By contrast they've revealed a fair amount more about the Aes Sedai, Moiraine, and now some of Nynaeve's abilities. Though Moiraine does state right out that both she and Egwene are unusually strong in the book. While the show is taking a different angle with it, there's also a particular scene where it's strongly implied that all five of them are important by this point in the book, so I don't find it to be that big of a change really.
The thing is rand isn’t the strongest channeler in the books he’s tied with ishamael and logain is close behind them. While Nyneave is strong she’s not as strong as Logain in the books and even if they change some of that in the show she shouldn’t be more powerful although I could see her matching him being fine
@@peace4626 He was stronger than Ishmael. He was a little boy when he first faced him. Rand doesn't fully realize his power till the final battle. Literally the whole series he's getting stronger, finding his limits. Even Moridin was using the True Source, so hardly counts.
@@brednbudr2406 Ravhin is equal to Lews Therin, aka Rand at full strength. Logain was equivalent to Sammael and Demandred, and who was equal to or stronger than Taim.. Ishamael, Rand, and Ravhin are the only 3 characters in the series stronger than Logain..
I felt the emotion! When Nyneave screamed it's the first tear I shed. I know it is completely different from the books, but the emotion I know that is there, from what happens in the books, made me know exactly what she was going through and that moment resonated with me thouroughly.
100% agree. I had tears running down my face at that part. My face a mixture of happiness, sadness and excitement. Was a great moment 👌. I watched it again today with my kids, thinking nothing of it, and it happened again lol.
Me too man, just watched it now and tears. Wow. If i let go of the book narrative, the show is just better. My wife loves it, though she read the first 8 books about 10 years ago, enough of the story has faded in her memory for her to be surprised by everything. And it works for me too to just let the show be the show and the books be the books… hard as that is.
@@TheWayfarerFamily I completely agree. I'm treating it like hitch hikers. Every version of that is different. Same story just a little different and all good in their own way. It's an adaptation not a like for like script. And with that in mind the changes aren't too bad
@@JJWOOLF I’m not anal enough to worry when not everything is EXACTLY like the books. (Which aren’t perfect either, but which never bothered me) so I just enjoy anything I can when it happens. Though I do appreciate people critiquing things so as to make them better in the future. Not worth getting emotional over though.
I usually love your videos, but you couldn't be more wrong about the Reds. Especially Liandrin is seen willing to burn herself out to avenge her sister's death, and her wit is exposed greatly in the episode. She is def better portrayed here than in the books, where you straight up know she's a villain. Also, I strongly disagree about Logain not trying to block his gentling. He was in awe and shock from what he saw (or felt, let's not forget that he's supposed to see Ta'veren if they're keeping that) and it was this moment that he realized he may not be the Dragon, which is a fundamental aspect of his character at this point. I enjoyed the reaction overall, but 7/10 puts it next to the last episode and IMO it was MUCH better.
agree about logain, he was in shock and lost control of saidin. Liandrin caring about Nagashi's death is weird, I really thought she would do something to facilitate Logain escaping the shield so she could have an excuse to gentle him.
@@damp2269 do we for sure know that she didn't? ;) either this, or that Logain withholding his full strength until the army arrived are fine theories, to me.
Yeah I'm really liking the portrayal of Liandrin, she's much more human and believable than in the books where she was just straight up BAD. I like how in general everybody seems to have a lot of gray, no one is just good or evil
@@Greg93CSD i'm 95% sure she didn't, leaving myself a bit of wiggle room with the things they are changing but I don't see how she could. You are right on Logain holding back and waiting, it's the same for him than for aes sedai, he might push around 2 or 3 but there are 7 on the cam plus all the warders, eventually someone would put an arrow on his neck if he tried to take on all of them at once.
Same. I’ve rewatched it a bunch and it gets me every time. The only think I agree with Daniel on this is that Logain shouldn’t have appeared to see the channeling. Otherwise, such. A. Powerful. Scene!
This episode was definitely an improvement. I think with this episode that they do highlight that men and women can’t see each other’s weaves. Moiraine says that she can’t see Logains weave but can sense his power pushing against her own. I think with Nynaeve her weave might be pushing against his own and he can sense her radiance and is in awe of her power. He gives up because he feels somebody who is as strong or slightly stronger and realizes who may not be the Dragon Reborn which breaks him. The difficulty is that since this show has to show the audience weaves we are getting the sense that everybody on the show can see weaves. Great episode still and there still some issues especially with editing
Well to be fair he kept covering his eyes during the heal-bomb so I’m leaning towards another commenter’s perspective that maybe Nynaeve’s burst just came with some light, probably for spectacle for new viewers (like me)
@@GraveFable25 Logain has a bit of an inflated ego though even in the books he always seems aloof and likes to think he's higher than everyone, he wears fancy clothes (in the books it's a fine red coat), and I guess they reflect that here when Nynaeve show's that she just completely shredded his weaves. Also don't forget it actually is quite jarring to channelers to have your weaves torn apart, it's enough to give Nynaeve, elayne, egewene an edge in several confrontations with bigger bads. Not even all the big bads can tear apart weaves.
Regarding Nynaeve tracking Lan: “You . . . followed our trail?” Lan said, truly surprised for the first time that Rand could remember. “I must be getting careless.” “You left very little trace, but I can track as well as any man in the Two Rivers, except perhaps Tam al’Thor.” She hesitated, then added, “Until my father died, he took me hunting with him, and taught me what he would have taught the sons he never had.” She looked at Lan challengingly, but he only nodded with approval. “If you can follow a trail I have tried to hide, he taught you well. Few can do that, even in the Borderlands.” - The Eye of the World Chapter 16: The Wisdom
@@TheOnlyWay2Go. ahh yes. We need more mary sues because there arent nearly enough in everything these days lol. Definitely not a pattern that is so overplayed it makes you roll your eyes into next week
@@anomanderrake440 What about it? If you are referring to her ability to sence whether Egwene is present that does not change the fact that she tracked them to Baerlon. It's not like she is Bonded to Egwene. In that very chapter she expresses ignorance of her location.
This episode was like 10 times as good as the previous three. * Great Character moments * Great World building * Awesome Action that also showcase more channeling If the rest of the show is like this, i have no idea what they were thinking with the first three episodes, because i was not really vibing with them, but with this episode i am all aboard!
A big thing is the framing within the constant chase scenario for the first few episodes which gives little room to have a slowed down moment. And with the party not split up yet, following a one track story line makes the structure weird as they have to just shoe in plot points to get from A to C while also finding places to shoehorn exposition to give some background to the story. Now that we have multiple stories to follow, the structure should be better and the episodes should be able to hide more inherent flaws in trying to adapt this series.
@@kyleledermann2473 , no, there's not. Rafe would want more, it just came up in an interview but there's no confirmation whatsoever. He also said for instance book 1 needed one season, some books might get compressed later, etc. But that's not the point, thing is, the way it's going and with the hard competitive environment, I highly doubt they'll even strike half that.
@@ChristmasLore he's said in countless interviews that they've outlined it for 8 seasons. Just cause Amazon hasn't picked up all 8 doesn't mean the outline isn't there. And if he wants more than that then more to my point. Wheel of time was never meant for live action anyway, it's way to cheesy a story. And it's not high fantasy enough to do it like LoTR. It should have been an anime. But the series is like a 5 or 6/10 so far which isn't the end of the world. I could see it hitting a solid 8/10 if they improve over time.
Rand telling Mat he's there for him -- it's those moments that are winning me over for the show. SOME shows [clears throat] always go with the ickiest way the scene could play out. Some shows (and books!) are full of awful people doing awful things to each other. I like it that this show is willing to do the harder thing (risk coming across as soft) and have moments of surprising kindness to offset the ickiness. See also Logain NOT killing the king in the cold open, the wolf licking Perrin's wound, Tom and Mat burying the Aiel, etc. I'm really appreciating those light moments.
@@mbenoit77 not everyone in asoiaf is out for themselves. Jon (right now Dany) Tyrion Ned the hound Robb and Jaime all do selfless things throughout the story. Even Tywin and Kevan is out for mostly his family and no one else. A lot of characters are in it for themselves and grimdark isn't for everyone obviously but the story has characters do nice things for eachother.
Favorite episode so far. Dialogue is great. Characters are really getting fleshed out already. This series is going to be all about immense character development.
I really enjoy the synchronization of the weaves with the Aes Sedai, It shows discipline and they've all, whilst different colours, cut from the same base cloth to achieve the same goal. I think it gives it a more cinematic experience. Not mad at it.
16:30 I actually liked that Nynaeve's channeling wasn't focused on one person. I think the scene emotionally was focused on Logain and the audience. For Nynaeve, I don't think the outburst was because of one person - I don't think she has enough of a connection with Lan yet. But the whole thing, all the violence, after her village, after escaping the trollocs and killing, after the battle in the woods and having to kill again (iirc there was a shot focusing on her face to show how it was affecting her emotionally), the whole situation is the straw that broke the camel's back for her. For me, it didn't need to focus on one personal connection to make me care about the audience. More than that, in terms of emotion, this wasn't just about her feelings. This was about Logain seeing the truth of Moraine's words, suddenly moving from absolute certainty in himself and his path to seeing someone who eclipses him, which makes his pushing aside of others' warnings an issue of pride, not of purity of purpose. And the scene is about those thoughts being what his distraught mind focuses on while he goes through what Tom was describing earlier. The gentling is a breaking of his power literally, but also a breaking of his spirit metaphorically. But maybe toward an end...? Because taming a horse is also called breaking or gentling, right? And, regarding the audience, it supposed to pay off the whole "who's the fifth" by showing she's got the power to be the dragon - the show is really pushing that it could be any of them, and really leaning on Mat and Nynaeve right now.
Thing is tho, in the book, when talking with Moiraine back in Edmonds Field, Nynaeve spoke about how seeing an injury would make her mad and she would heal them seemingly miraculously. We saw that here. All in all, the best episode so far to me. Mat Rand and Thom were just next level, and Perrin with Ila resonated so hard. In the books, Elyas chastises Ila for pushing her belief system too hard, so that was true to source. I like the idea of Logain’s actions in Ghealdan being the series open. I get what you said about the Battle feeling like a LARP, but not all battles have to be Helms Deep. We’ll get to Dumai’s Wells soon enough
Exactly, and I thought the scene was handled well. The way I saw it, her focus was on Lan but her power was so overwhelming that the healing impacted everyone there. We saw every character come into their own in this episode.
Yeah right she gets mad and heals a wound in the books hmm then why do ppl still die when she cant heal them and she couldnt heal tam she never conciously used the power to heal anyone she just used it to boost her herbs you dont even see her egwane or elayne really fight anyone properly till like book 4 or 5 or whatever when nyneave fights moghaiden and that was after spending time in white tower and training otherwise even rand that keeps getting some memories from lews therin has srious trouble using the power
Me and my gf are non-book readers (though I'm going to fucking fly through the series after season 1 cuz I'm loving the TV show) and everything about that final battle worked for us. My girlfriend was freaking out at how cool the initial battle was, and then totally bought in that everyone was dying, and then totally exploded with joy that Nyneav (still learning spelling) healed them all. Her attention wasn't split and her suspension of disbelief wasn't tested here. Though I definitely see that if they're bending rules here, that could have repercussions down the road. I'm just commenting because you said "the viewer won't believe that" a few times in the video and maybe that's true of a book fan, but we were totally in the moment, feeling what the show wanted us to. Though I also admit, your version might have been even more effective
Logain felt her power to his core. Also, her power was so strong, so severe and so commanding, that her channeling created visible light. He didn’t saw the channeling. He saw the results: impossible healing and blinding light ALONG with him feeling her power.
I don't think he can see her power, I think he notices her healing, which would be impressive as he knows how difficult it is, but I think he sees her manifest as a Ta'veren. A powerful one.
@@TheHomicidalTendency That makes more sense, as he does have the ability to see Ta'veren. To be honest, Ewgene and Nynaeve were written as if they WERE ta'veren, with the way people and events surrounded them, even away from the 3 boys.
I think you're right. Earlier in the episode they established very clearly that you can not see the other sex channel, right after Moraine took over keeping up the barrier for Logain. Still in this shot, Logain had to blind his eyes from Nynaeve in her channeling outburst. But I think it really was visible light and not just the channeling, as we even see Nynaeves skin turn reddish-bright as the one power filled her. The light being emmited is probably just a side effect of her being unexperienced with that power and doing several things at once → healing, radiating light and I think also pushing out a small shockwave, at least it looks like that to me. I hope Daniel reads this.
@@igors5637 The power isn't visible to just anyone. Its canon that men cannot see the weaves of women and visa versa. But since were just jumping ship and everyone is using the show as a fan fiction you can join in and say whatever, there is no accountability anymore.
I saw someone theorize that Logain is actually seeing that Nynaeve is ta'veren, not that she was channeling. He hadn't seen her before then. And that's how he sees Rand in the books, so maybe they're setting that up here?
Or can just feel her channeling, Rand could feel female channeling in the book as prickles on his skin. And then he sees that she healed everyone like that and could see how much power that would take.
@@devinfoster6023 I suggest that you edit this post to not include spoilers for those who haven't read the books. At the very least, put a spoiler warning and drop your comment down so it's not immediately visible.
@@d.rock2224 I think that Daniel is right on this, because Logain's portrayal in this scene isn't just someone that is sensing a woman channeling; he's shielding his eyes from the overwhelming light of her power, which indicates that he's actually seeing her weaves.
The first couple episodes had me a little worried, but 3 and 4 have completely sold me on this adaptation, it's a good show in its own right, even if they change quite a bit of the story.
Long time book reader, this was a 9/10 episode for me. I wanted to see the fade fight a few seconds more, and I agree that it it would have helped a lot if the location of the battle was clearer, but overall the emotional beats and the building of the layers to that final pay off was excellent as a piece of TV that will appeal to a broad camp of non-book readers and book readers. For example, about 9-eves block and anger. At this stage nobody watching knows that anger is the specific nature of her block (and we dont even know for sure that this will be retained in this show?). What we saw was that emotional response (noooo!) of somebody that we know she likes, possibly dying. This fits with what we have been shown in the episode, with what is established. Having all the other AS in the room disabled also then helps show that she is the only person who can do something. The blinding light part, we could simply say was some effect that she accidentally made. Very few people will actually pick up on this or care. And finally, the hand motions for linking and severing most viewers probably thought were cool, because they helped to visually telegraph what was going on. Overall, what we saw was maximum impact for that broad spectrum of viewers, and most of your issues seem to be more book / lore centric. IMDB score for this episode is now at 9.2 with over 2000 reviews. And again and again, every other review is saying "I wasn't sure at first about this series, but now I am sold." So, the proof really is in the pudding there. They absolutely made the right call with how the handle this scene. It does generate some questions about the possibly lore implications, but 9/10 people aren't going to be emotionally held back from a scene due to lore.
@@alfred1727 I don't think so. When reading the first book for the first time I was intuitively very sure who it was right from the beginning, just becuase which character's POV we got first. It didn't dim my enjoyment in the slightest as the journey is the engaging part and the reveal just a nice satisfactory payoff among many other.
Just thought I'd chime in and say that as a non-book reader, I'm really enjoying the show. There are a few clunky shots and some mediocre CGI at times, but I think it's extremely entertaining to a mass audience just like Netflix's Witcher. Sad for book readers who want a specific adaptation, but fun for everyone else.
All the changes can easily be justified with the show being a different turning of the wheel than the books (not really a spoiler, time is cyclical in this world, each event happens over and over again, but slightly differently.)
@@Colaman112 that doesn't make sense. People generally don't come back as the same person, otherwise Lews Therin would come back as Lews Therin, not a girl, or a boy. It's the same turning, they are just changing things, good or bad.
@@Colaman112 things don't happen over and over again slightly differently. If things happen similarly at all, it's major events like opening the bore that are similar, and the how, why, and all the rest would be wildly different.
@@merc9nine Quote from Brandon Sanderson: “It’s the same souls, but in a different actual turning of the Wheel,” he said. “It’s not the one Jim and I worked on, it’s a different version of it.” Obviously he is not Jordan, but if he thinks that the show could be a different turning, then I have a hard time accepting you saying that it doesn't make sense that it would be.
SPOILERS from books: The scene where Egwene is looking up at the sky (while talking to Aram) and says something to the effect of , "I would know if he is not alive" to Rand still being alive, I think is brilliant, and foreshadows her Dream Walking abilities and being able to identify Dreams of people she know :D
My non book reader wife thinks Nyaneve is the dragon reborn now…lmao. I’ve seen a small, but very loud contingent of book readers shitting their pants about the whole “boy or girl” thing, but seeing the affect it has on non book readers is A+. She has no idea. So that’s a good thing and makes me happy. This was probably my favorite episode so far. However, My ratings of the episodes have been so skewed by my wife’s reactions. She learned a lot about this world in this episode and she literally cursed at the end because we have to wait another week.
I absolutely loved the Nynaeve scene at the end, it’s giving a clear display of her raw strength in the one power. Yeah it’s a change from the books, but it works so well in the narrative they’re trying to tell… and it’s SUCH a Nynaeve thing to do.
It's a big change though and how will they handle it? She saved the lives of like 10 sedai and Warders . They owe her. Will the story just ignore it going forward
@@mattmichael3310 I would expect the Aes Sedai will do two things. First try to befriend her and groom her for their particular Ajah. Then particularly the Reds, when they realise her allegiance is with others, will treat her like the novice piece of s*** that they think she is. No respect at all until she is actually Aes Sedai.
I think part of the reason that they had Nynaeve heal the entire room was to give a reference to just how powerful she is as a channeller, both to set up her as a character but also to hint towards her being a potential DR candidate. She's not just healing one person, she's healing an entire room in an instant. That's not to say your criticism for the scene wasn't valid, but I get why they went for it. Same deal with Logain apparently seeing Nynaeve's weaves, which I can kinda excuse as him just going "holy shit she just did an AoE heal that's wild ur crazy bro". Likewise, him sort of just giving up seems like that was in response to him having a mini crisis about no longer being the front runner for DR. It's all a bit awkward though and weirdly conveyed, so still fair criticism there.
This was her "It's over 9000!" moment, flying braid and all lol. I did like how earlier they showed how effortful healing was for all the other aes sedai. It made this scene more impactful to me.
I agree about the reason for the aoe heal. I'm not thinking Logain could actually see her weaves. (Moiraine actually said earlier in the episode she couldn't see men's weaves, so I would assume that would go in both directions.) It seems to me like it's either the Ta'veren thing, or they are setting it up so that men can just sense women channeling (which is consistent with the books actually) and maybe also the strength of the channeling, even though they can't see the weaves themselves.
yes! I thought the same. They have shown Moraine healing the two rivers people and then moraine being healed so if Nynave were to heal one person it wouldn't show how powerful she is. Also Daniel mentioned that Logain could have fought a bit more but i think the way it played out is plausible because he was in shock of Nynave's display, a loss in concentration would have let him open to shielding pretty easily (as Nynave did with in the class with teh Atha'an Miere). Not that I like the fact that Logain can see Saidar or the Aes Sedai seeing Saidin.
Hey Daniel! Thank you for all the time you put into your entertaining content! I gotta say, I was actually pleasantly surprised by the first 4 episodes. I was apprehensive to watch them because I didn't want to feel tons a disappointment, but about half way into the first episode I stopped comparing it to the books and just enjoyed it for what it was. There were only a couple things that were too big of a difference that it kind of took me out of it, but like you I loved the performances of the actors and actresses! So far they have all REALLY nailed it. Rosamund NAILED Moraine, Lan and Nynaeve's character development/relationship is spot on, Matt and Rand and Perrin's characters are SO well done. Even the Tinker's were pretty well done in my opinion--I know they are not verbatim from the book, but they really captured the SOUL of the Tuatha'an with the conversation between Ila and Egwene/Perrin. *SPOILER* I also get the feeling that the setup of Mattrim and Nynaeve being channelers and possibly being the Dragon Reborn is just a setup for the true reveal later, so I can let that go of that whole, "don't know if the dragon will be a boy/girl" thing. I am having a little more difficulty letting the channeling hand motions go, but I also see how they didn't do that for Logain or Nynaeve, so what I think they are doing is setting up a feeling of channelers that don't need any crazy "assistance" of hand motions to mean they have immense power, kind of like how POWERFUL wizards in the Harry Potter franchise didn't need wands for some stuff. I do need to disagree with one point--when Egwene and Perrin split off I really only got a feeling of a "Philia"(familial) type of love, nothing romantic, so I think there won't be any awful developments there. Anyways, love your Vids Daniel!
I thought the final scene of the episode was fantastic! I was loving every minute of it. It hit home perfectly for me. Masterpiece ending in my opinion. I called a family member and told her to watch it, and she had the same awesome reaction. I’m sorry that Daniel didn’t quite like it, but I get the feeling that the vast majority of fans will love this episode. Especially the fantastic ending
From what I've been reading of these comments so far, the vast majority are in agreement with you. I don't think I understand what Daniel wants from the show. I've said in other threads, I appreciate his archival knowledge of Wheel of Time but he's got strange ideas of how to better a masterfully composed scene.
@@jamesthomas1123 you like the PC stuff added like the suggestion that a dragon reborn could be female . It's total nonsense added for a tiny minority of activists feelings .. I knew they just couldn't do the story without adding trash for political reasons. I'll stick to the books
@@wuhanlabtech3580 I understand. But I don’t think that mystery element was added for political reasons. I have family members who have not read the books, and because they are guessing who the dragon reborn could be, it keeps them interested and watching the show. It’s a added mystery element. That’s been done in many stories. Yes, the books are better, but Changes have to be made for TV. Just wait until a certain character ends up with three wives, and then we can laugh about how politically incorrect it is lol
I disagree with your takes on the final scenes, dear Sir Goblin. I believe it actually may have saved the show's face after mediocre 3 episodes. Showrunners are trying to hide who is dragon reborn for non bookreaders and I think it works.
I definitely think they're doing a great job with the misdirection 😂 If I hadn't read the books I would probably be suspecting everyone on being the Dragon except the actual person who is the Dragon Reborn
I think in channeling, in order for people to realize what they're doing, they have to have a movement. It will be boring when they're just standing there, and people wouldn't know what happened until they see the product. The system of One Power is just so massive, they need to have a representation to a channeling/weave that's important in the story, in the series, it's linking.
@@thereasonabletroll68 It makes sense though. The way you channel gets pretty locked in after you learn a weave. If Aes Sedai teach/learn the movements as an aid it's entirely possible that they NEED them afterwards. The change from the books isn't that this is the case. They've just changed to what degree the Aes Sedai use movement. Logain and Nynaeve haven't been shown to need the movements so far. I'm thinking it's something they did to further play up the differences between future channeler "factions".
@@thereasonabletroll68 one thing I saw someone point out that in the books the aes sedai do use hand gestures to the point that it is commented that one can tell who taught you to channel by the type of gestures used. A man would not be taught, he would not have centuries of tradition dictating the use of hand motions. He would just do it. Instinct kicks in and a man just uses the power. He doesn't have a preconceived notion that motions are required to learn and we see that with nynaeve just doing it as well. No gestures just instinct.
As a Thom fanboi, after rewatching this episode, my biggest gripe is that they don't really ever show/explain how dangerous myrddraal truly are, like they do in the books, so it doesn't fully convey Thom's badassery that he can stand toe to toe with one.
That might come up when he shows up again and Morainne finds out he fought a Fade and she will explain how shocking it is that he is alive and only has a limp to show for it
White Cloak Youth Group Councilor is who I was born to play. Also, because people like to put words in my mouth, just because I criticized some elements of the episode doesn’t mean I hated it. Please listen to what I actually say and don’t take me out of context to push your own view either way.
Is Greene Daniel responsible for this chaos?
Nah, middle ground opinion is absolutely forbidden, either with the whitecloaks or on Twitter of time. Equally not open to feedback fandom.
In both case, nostalgia reigns, making them incapable of any type of balanced constructive critical thinking. Sad.
on that note, were you serious when you asked how could Nynaeve track Lan? cuz that's in the books, she totally embarasses him there too (but in private)
@@RushavMohanty , track them (possibly via feeling Moiraine too....not only her upbringing- absent in the show), yes.
Threaten his life, for real? No.
Anyway, neither in the book or in the show was Lan ever in any real danger. (As she said " you can ask, don't mean I answer", here, she can threaten, doesn't mean she had a chance)
@@RushavMohanty wait really? I completely forgot that!
"Birgitte's always wanted to see the world"
..... and i immediately shed copious amounts of tears
I loved that part too, it's great how they are including these small references for book readers that won't jar causal viewers out of the experience
Out of everything so far, this was the first moment in the show that got me to tear up a little.
Watching with my wife who is new to WoT commented on the dolls name. “What did she call it?”, with a rye smile I pause to explain the valor of Birgitte Silverbow, hero to the Horn or Valere.
My wife is 💯 onboard with Birgitte and will probably go full Karen if they don’t put her in the show.
i always thought it was pronounced like Bur-jet
@@justin-md4xm Nope, he's right. Birgitte is Danish and it is pronounced like that. My name is Birgitte;-)
My explanation for why Logain could see Nynaeve's burst of power is not that he saw her channeling, but that she literally created a bubble of floating light that everyone could see.
That makes sense. Also we saw Logain healing the king earlier and so we know he knows how difficult healing is.
he can see taveren
Yeh, confused why this is so tricky for people to wrap their heads around. It was light, not weaves that lit everything up and was reflected on the cave walls etc.
I thought he was looking at her in wonder not because he saw her channel or any light but because she was screaming and her braids were flying around her head!!
exactly I I thought same way as you
The angle Mat holds the dagger when he points at the Fade really sells the possession for me. It almost seems that the dagger is holding his arm up with the way it looks.
Reminds me of the Voldemort wand grip in the HP films. Also makes a little cold feeling on the neck from this dark reference
I noticed that too. It was a nice touch 👍
Also for those who might still be worrying that Mat did the killing, his dagger is way too clean to have just been used in the slaughter.
Yeah, at that moment, the dagger was in control. Mat came back to himself only when he sees the dead girl outside.
@@adekunleibrahim8857 "I see you" = dagger talking? Eerily poignant moment . . .
For me, that scene with Perin and the lady from the Tu’athuan talking about “What better revenge on violence than peace?” really resonated with me. What’s funny is that I didn’t really connect with the travelling folk in the books, but really like their portrayal here
I feel like once we see what Mats dagger does to people when they get poked. It will be very obvious that he didn't kill that family.
It wasn't bloodied. But the Myrdraal's blade was soaked
I dont really like what the daggers doing to him but I'm pretty sure it was the fade
But when the daggers victims resemble a certain pile of horse dust in Shadar Logath. It will be extra obvious to anyone that is unsure.
Yes, but (spoilers ahead) I think he pokes someone for the first time in the end of book 2. So if it is to be shown in the series, it must be in the end of season 2, maybe...? It's too much time to think about this.
@@analisboa3400 That's not a requirement though. THey can show that one earlier and have it not mess up the timeline.
I liked the scene with Perrin and Ila! The story about her losing her daughter and wanting to make a better world for her daughter to live in when the Rad turns out her soul again made me tear up. Truly beautful! What greater revenge against violence then peace!
I have no idea why, but the last scene with logain, everything from when Moiraine begins speaking to him untill when he's gentled was what really sold this show for me. It was powerful.
I diddn't see enough braid tugging for that ending to happen the way it did, still like it.
That fade though. That fade materializing through the shadows and a wicked fast blade sold me
The Aes Sedai flying into the wall looked a bit clunky, but overall it was pretty darn great. But for some reason the scene where Perrin talked to the Tinker mom really hit me lol. Love me some strong discussions on the flaws of human nature and the strength needed to overcome them.
Same. I’ve read the books and even I felt fear for Lan. My eyes got a little watery
@@jossecoupe446 I can't wait for Rand to walk through the pillars after seeing the overgrown sky scraper. Its little things like that this show is doing magnificently
Agree, tears to my eyes and then a burst of pride and satisfaction. I think Daniel is a bit hard on the show.
My best guess on the barn scene:
Dana, the dark friend from e3 said she summoned a fade and you can’t outrun a fade. That said, I think the fade showed up to take or kill Mat and Rand, but because Mat is so affected by the ruby blade he took from Shadar Logoth that he actually sensed the fade and chased it into the house while the fade went on a killing spree and trying to hide from Mat. It’s already been noted that Mat’s dagger was clean when he pointed at the fade and there was no blood on his clothes. The ruby dagger will be explained in later episodes, so I won’t say anything about that now.
May you always find water and shade:)
I find it ironic that Dana was thom’s lover in the book and got killed for relationship with Thom and in the show they made her also die shortly after being introduced but made her a dark friend 😂
@@JoshuaKrell Not the same person, the name is spelled different. The show character is Dena and the book Dana, so we may still get the correct Dana.
The line the Tinker dropped "What greater revenge against violence than peace. What greater revenge against death than life" was an original from the show, and that SHOCKED me, because it sounded exactly like something Jordan would have written.
honestly my fav line from the episode, and I can already see how that shapes Perrin's perspective on violence, and how he copes with causing the death of his wife
Also when Illa calls out the axe.... It really powerfully slams home the Way of the Leaf because of what happened with Perrin's wife. That was such a good scene!
That was one of the best lines in the show so far.
I think the end worked very well. I think the amount of people being wounded at the end was needed to emphasis her power and call back to the earlier statement of a radiant sun versus a pin prick of light, but the channeling could only really take place because of her bond with Lan.
The "like the sun", hope it comes back later on when he meets a certain someone.
I appreciate his viewpoints on this and other scenes because they would work better filmed his way but he has a writer’s eye and I do not so I am feeling great with what we got
Lan promised he'd help her find the others and she is mighty pissed off that he is dying.
@@kathryncainmadsen5850 I’m not saying she wasn’t pissed, I’m just saying she didn’t look like she was pissed. I’m thinking comic bookJean Grey when she finally turns to the dark Phoenix.
Nope, was stupid.
I think the mass Healing was necessary to reflect to the audience Nynaeve's incredible strength in the power (and in Healing in particular). We've seen several cases of an Aes Sedai healing one person at this point, so seeing Nynaeve heal just Lan in a burst of anger/emotion wouldn't really seem very awe-inspiring or powerful. The Heal bomb made it clear truly how powerful she is. Personally, I loved that scene and found it very effective.
The Heal-Bomb. That's a good Weave. lol
I like how its established in the beginning of the episode when moraine is healed how difficult it can be to heal a small wound and leaving quite a big scar, so seeing how "easy" Nyaneve healed everyone really establishes her power, also i think Nyaneve will be back in the "Who is the dragon" - reality show. (altho keen eyed viewers will know that Moriane allready disregarded her as an option)
Exactly you have to make it clear for the normies
Is she the dragon reborn
@@TheRacoonGhost Good point about the comment showing how difficult healing (even one person) is. It's a nice touch. About the 'who is the dragon' -- they also made a point of showing that even Moiraine is doubting herself about who the possible candidates are, in her conversation with Lan, where she seemed really unsure and said even the Dark One doesn't seem to know any more than they do about who it is. Keeping all the candidates on the table and the mystery alive.
The Nynaeve anger scene to me who hasn't read the books seemed actually good.
I interpreted her anger as not only coming from Lan dying but also because they are supposed to help her find her friends (basically she'd not only going to lose this new friend she has made but also she'd lose (a way to find) her old friends)
Agree with your take on this, also I don't think everyone else was dying in that scene only Lan, the rest of them were either stunned or just wounded to varying degrees and he was the only one she was trying to heal. Everyone else that she healed was just overflow. This was a way to establish just how incredibly powerful she is with the one power. Also it kind of plays into the whole "who is the Dragon Reborn" mystery approach they want to use to create more intrest in the Two Rivers group as a whole and make everything less Rand specific. Oh yeah, after that whole translating the last thing my Mother said to me before she died scene, Nyneave is totally and completely in love with Lan everything she did in that cave made perfect sense for her character.
@@gregorypew793 Good choice of words, overflow, that's also how I think of it, esp. after re-watching it (also not a book reader).
In addition, I think the whole episode showed her annoyed at the least, or rather, ever since we re-connected with nyneve in ep2, she's had a simmering anger (if not already since when she was slighted in the inn, then talked with Moraine in the cave, and then her village was attacked and she was dragged off - etc) - she has been simmering with anger/rage for all these things that happened the whole time; and then the guy she had a little bit of a bond with and the annoying others who are her way to find her friends/the kids under her charge gets killed by a douche channeling guy? Hence the: NO WAY, NOPE, NOT HAPPENING outburst, I'd say.
@@bosyber Wow, Great points all!!
@@bosyber they were my 90s JAM!!!
I've seen multiple people on the WoT subreddits claim that they actually were surprised by finding Liandrin at least somewhat likeable, so I don't agree that the reds are potrayed universally as baddies. Hell, even her reckless attempts at convincing the Aes Sedai of gentling Logain without trial are somewhat justified by the ending of the episode.
I definitely don't like her, but she is FAR less comically evil than in the books, so that's a critique I really struggle to agree with.
Right now, she appears to be the exact right amount of evil.
Yeah I'm really liking the portrayal of Liandrin, she's much more human than in the books, and also she looks EXACTLY like I imagined her 😂
Liandrin SEEMS a lot more human. Remember who she is, if the show does her any justice, you are going to look at this episode in a different light later on. In this episode, what did she want? And what did she get by the end? Oh that's right, what she wanted.
Umm, we don’t absolutely know that Logain killed Kereni Nagashi. The murder is not in Logain’s interest. There is one other person present for whom the murder of an Aes Sedai is very much in their interest, but that way megaspoilers lie.
@@nathanprime2434 yeah when Moraine looks at her she realized that. Plus she was reminded as a red, that she should be advocating for the letter of the law.
I don't think she is cartoon evil I agree that "That one is a snake"
Thom doesn't get emotional; it's counter productive, he protects them from a fade instead. He can't fix things for his nephew, but he CAN help these boys who are obviously in a spot of trouble.
The way he responds emotionally in the book is very controlled and more anger towards the Sea Sedai and himself for failing to protect his nephew. Being tearful isn't really Thom.
I think this was my favourite episode so far. Lan translating the Old Tongue hit me HARRDDD and I thought the final bit of the episode was epic. I also loved the way that Logain was clearly crushed when he realised he wasn’t the Dragon Reborn - I think that’s why he gave up like you mentioned. I think the show established that he really believed it was his destiny to be the Dragon and “bind the world” and so having the realisation that it wasn’t made him lose his motivation to fight back.
Holy crap I just realized Lan never refers to himself as al'Lan Mandragoran because the "al" is an honorific. But the other warders use the honorific when they refer to him.
That's a subtle little bit of characterization, and I am HERE for it. Daniel Henney over here, giving off some serious Worf vibes in the best way possible. 👍
Seeing the raw, visceral power of the male half was awesome. But, seeing how powerful Nynaeve was was *chef's kiss*. I really hope they keep the showdown with Aginor. It should be just insane.
Can't wait for her accepted test too.
Omg remembering her fight scene with Moghedien made me 100x more excited for the show
cant wait for a certain someone to show up in a certain gap and annihilate a ton of trollocs
as a viewer who has not read the books, i really liked this episode and this felt like the first one that really got me to sit up and care about the characters. it thought the last scene was really powerful and overall liked it. this episode makes me even more excited for whats to come.
Yes, same (from someone who's read the books)! I feel like maybe because the plot was completely off-book I was able to just relax and enjoy the journey rather than picking at the differences or changes I didn't like... (Which I have been struggling with a lot in the first three episodes.)
@@LizOzone Same, before sitting down to watch this one I just said "it's a 4th age but not the exact one from the books" I think I would've liked this episode regardless because it was awesome. But, it really helped to not nitpick the differences but be interested in them instead.
same here, i never read the book, it didnt feel to me aes sedai feels weak, it just shows that the dragon is really really powerful. i enjoy the episode alot, feels more well paced than the prev episodes and we learn the world more too!
I haven't read the books and I felt exactly the same.
In my opinion the shows a lot better than the book. It improves on the book dramatically.
Especially the first book which I found extremely boring and repetitive. They just keep running to town wondering if the Innkeeper is a darkfriend or if they can be trusted and then chased out by monsters and they repeat it like three times until midway through the book when Matt finally gets the dagger at the cursed City.
What do you mean, "even though I'm kinda wondering, like, how would Nyaneve track Lan? He's, like the best at not being found"? She specifically tracked him in the books after Shadar Logoth, which was the first time in the books he was strongly impressed with her. In the books her father trained her in her woodsy ways, but here it was probably the wisdom that raised her.
And for Nynaeve outburst moment, I just assumed she channeled "dirtily", giving of a lot of light as a byproduct.
she used the one power to track him just like she used the power to become Wisdom at a young age - she just didn't realize she was doing it. This is not a gender thing where the story is saying she couldn't possibly track because she is a girl. It's simply saying that Lan is a professional Warder and he DOES have the skill to evade her tracking. But he doesn't know yet that she is a bad ass with the power. She is literally a sleeping giant.
@@Alchemae The book never said anything about her using the power to do so, but it did go out of it's way to explain that she did in fact, learn tracking from an expert woodsman before this, and was really good at it.
There isn't a good reason to assume she did anything with the power. As for 'Lan should be good enough', we actually don't know how good at evading detection he is, as it stands, he might be less competent simply for relying on the warder cloak at times, and he probably wasn't expecting on being tracked by a consummate professional, when on the run from trollocs and whatever the bat creature is (for some reason I just can't recall the name of it). Him them being able to be tracked by such a person and not being perfect under stress makes a lot of sense.
In the books she wasn't only tracking Lan she was tracking Egwene, she has a connection to Egwene from healing her from bone break fever as a child
@@adrianbundy3249 The books clearly state that her healing was effective because she was channeling unconsciously. Her ability to listen to the wind is due to her ability to channel. All her abilities is wisdom we're from her ability to channel. Her abilities to track were successful because she could channel. I'm not saying she wasn't taught just like she was taught to be a wisdom but the efficacy was from channeling. . Lots of people are taught by experienced woodsmen to track but none of those could track Lan. It was her secret that enhanced her abilities.
@@Icarion1 That wasn't a useful indicator though. That came into play later when she pinpointed the inn. It was explained that in that power, she needed to be in close enough proximity (like being in the city helped), she could get a good location. It is nothing like the warder bond, where a person knows where another person is at all times, or at least the direction.
Besides, this with the inn, and her power here, it all came after. After the party split. No, we are talking about the first time Nyneave came and tracked Lan and co, in the woods. And that is the thing - she tracked them as a party, not just the good antiwoodsmen come to think of it. She joined the whole group on the way to shadar logath, before really leaving the province of the two rivers iirc the location in my mind right after them losing their tail temporarily.
Book vet here: I have to say that I’m loving Nynaeve as much as I did in the books (just sooner than I came around in the novels). The final scene got me. Logain’s reaction to the power (no matter how he sensed it) was a fantastic way to showcase his realization of being inadequate (in the big picture) and understanding Moraine’s message. No matter how powerful he is, there’s always going to be someone more so. While the stilling portion of the scene was a bit janky as you said, I FELT Logain’s pain more than I ever did reading the novels. My wife (not a reader of the books) physically had goosebumps when Nynaeve broke through her block. Mine came with Logain’s stilling. Well worth the watch so far, even with the few niggles I’ve had. Thanks for the great videos, keep em coming!
….niggles?
@@alesharks5135
noun
a trifling complaint, dispute, or criticism.
"it is an excellent book except for my few niggles"
Straight from Oxford
I feel exactly the same way about that ending as you did. Overall I liked it a lot.
I loved the ending to. 10 out of 10 for this episode imo.
Agree, also a book vet. This is a great adaption to film. very well done so far.
Daniel: "I don't want things that aren't supposed to go in my mouth, going in my mouth. I'm a huge germophobe."
Also Daniel: Snorts strange white powder off a knife from a recently opened package.
Again Also Daniel: Stuffs letter from a complete stranger directly into his mouth and begins to chew.
Mat's "I see you" moment with the Fade was just so perfect, and the way the Fade appears from the shadows and attacks has serious "Alien" vibes that I really appreciated.
That's a rewrite I don't mind.
I can’t get over how logically stupid that scene is. Fade is there to catch them, but instead of doing that, he kills everyone but it’s targets and hides in the attic. What the actual fuck!?
@@SonOfSeth A fade can’t track them specifically it probably could only pinpoint a general location. It’s not like ajah and their guardians who are linked emotionally and basically even geologically who can exactly pinpoint where they are.
@@kyled8959 I forgot from the book, what is the purpose of the Fade, to catch them and bring them somewhere or to kill them?
@@SonOfSeth Myrddraal lead trollic armies, but just wait till you see the forsaken LOL some bad ass evil channelers. They mainly just kill but they try to find the dragon reborn‘s also so they can corrupt them like the last dragon ishamael Who was the last dragon reincarnated but was lacking good intentions to say the least
The fact that we are being shown Barney Harris as Mat is torture. The more I watch him, the more I feel he is the visual representation of what I imagined in the 3 years it took to finish these books. I am genuinely distressed that he is not carrying on in the role !
How comes he's not carrying on as Mat Coultron ?
He's a decent actor, but he's not Mat. He is just better than the rest of the horrible casting. He's probably leaving because the show is so bad.
Lol, woke up and chose violence huh?
Hes the one actor that is actually somewhat portraying the real character of mat. Except for the thieving I'd say his character is about the only one that's somewhat accurate.
@@PlumpPotatoRump he refused to get vaccinated for covid-19 and he got sacked cuz of it
can't say I blame the studio though... can't say I blame Barney either...
I think Nyneve’s look in her eyes at the end, was also partially her suddenly realizing she could channel as well. Much like in the books, she feels she is becoming something she hates. I am VERY impressed with her acting, but Moirane and Alan are my favourite actors so far as well.
That look of defiance in Nynaeve's face at the end sold me on her and really made me see the Nynaeve I know from the books for the first time.
I got goosebumps and chills.
Nynaeve needs to be angry to channel because her anger overrides the terrible fear Nynaeve has of all that power. She hides in her anger. So a look of defiance after Channelling is precisely the right emotion for me. She would be defiant to mask her fear and to help her redirect the emotion to an external target. This is exactly how Nynaeve behaves in the books so for me they
.. Nailed it.
Perrin's actor (I'm bad with names) has absolutely nailed the role. I think for the character he's playing, he's perfect. I imagined a younger looking woman as Moiraine, not that this actress is a bad pick--in fact, she's pretty awesome--just not what I had pictured while reading the books. I also think the actor for Mat is doing a phenomenal job, shame he's just in this first season.
@@Polydueces And it is a nice touch that they used the same actor who played Aragorn in Lord of the Rings for Thom.
Al'Lan not Alan. But I will also refer to Lan as Alan now thanks b
@@pureffm What? lol
Logain didn't fight back at the end because he believed that HE was the dragon reborn and then this belief shattered when he felt Nynaeve's strength. He was too devastated by the loss of his self image to be able to fight back.
Yep. I see events in same way
Which is stupid because Logain is FAR stronger than Nyn. Oh well, they have to reinvent practically everything on the show. It is what it is.
Yeah Logain was nerfed really hard.
@kevlar I don't remember Logain being stronger than Nynaeve. At this point in the story shure, but later on not so much.
Yes, like he himself did with that oriental king at the start of the episode.
I don't care what they hint at. Bella is the true dragon reborn
A long time ago I had a friend on the AOL chat boards who was firmly convinced that Bella was the physical incarnation of the Creator.
fukin agreed
Most logical statement so far.
That woman almost convinced me to become a pacifist with her speech. Loved it.
Echoing what others in the comments have said, I think the final scene from Moiraine entering the cave to speak with Logain through Nynaeve's burst of healing went over really well with non-book readers. My husband, a man who generally picks everything apart in every show, was like WOW, and was very invested in what was happening. He only asked me why she hadn't healed anyone before then, which I told him would be explored more in the future, so WAFO. It's good to have questions, it's something that makes people want to watch the next episodes! He was totally emotionally invested in that entire scene. Also, he already loves Moiraine, said he just loved the scene with her manipulating Logain, while also easing her own doubts, and how fearlessly she confronts him even while she is essentially alone and he is unshielded. Last note on Mat, I actually loved that they made everyone, even book readers, think for a split second that Mat might have murdered people in his own fit of madness, but then gave us that probably out. I am LOVING how each scene is new and fresh and a total surprise to even long time book fans! Also, I cried when the little girl tried to give Mat her Birgitte doll. I don't even know why, just started crying.
Love all of what you said. I cried during the ending Nynaeve scene, and during the Mat/Brigitte scene. The show is really gaining momentum with these heavy emotional beats.
I'm a non-book reader and I was blown away by that final scene. It was powerful and beautiful and I would die for Nynaeve.
Also haven't read it but episode 4 won me over after having serious doubts from the first 3. Lam's explanation of the old words brought a tear to my eye.
And while the Aes Sedai seemed under powered in the forest fight, the explosion of raw power from Nynaeve was hugely impressive and probably has all non-readers thinking "she is the one!"
This episode made me so emotional, Perrin's scene with Ila, Lan's gift to Nynaeve and Nynaeve going Super Saiyan were highlights for me. This might be my favorite episode so far and I feel it would be the most accessible for non-readers with all the explanations they get. The biggest flaw of the episode? The next isn't immediately available. ;)
Ila's scene was the highlight of the episode.
First episode that actually made me excited for the next. If the series continues like this even if it's not every episode it'll be way better than i was expecting. The first 3 were just below what I would've guessed. This was actually awesome.
Hey Daniel, the only thing I see wrong with your redo scene is that I’m not sure that would convince viewers that nynaeve healing just one man is *that* impressive.. not impressive enough for Logain to get distracted enough anyways. Her instantly healing a whole room, however, serves that intent a little better. I think that was the intention, anyways, and personally, I had a small little tear trying to come out at that scene so it was emotional enough ;)
-edit… I also didn’t believe that anyone else’s life was in immediate danger from the damage other than Lan, so I feel that emotionally it serves the same purpose as your scene. Everyone else seemed to just get nicked
Moraine had an axe handle sticking out of her stomach. That was very obviously not a nic.
I think Daniel is underestimating the scene's actual effectiveness and his proposed re-shoot would land with less punch. The non-readers I watched the show with both said that it was clear that Nynaeve was worried about Lan exclusively, and that she obviously didn't know what she was doing but just wanted to save him. She throws so much power into her accidental healing that she healed the entire room and not just Lan. So, for at least two non-readers they are at least primed for the idea that Nynaeve can be incredibly strong but only in certain situations.
@@miTigger55 Yeah, but any yellow worth her salt could fix that up. (Personally, I was wondering if Moraine had the presence of mind to get that handle out of her gut when the healing wave came.)
But there is No AoE healing.
I agree. The scene didn’t have as much emotional weight because of the shotgun blast, as he put it, but the point was to show Nynaeve’s power. It’s later revealed that the Aes Sedai are much weaker than they have been in the past, and that Elaine, Egwene, and Nynaeve are more powerful than most if not all of the other Aes Sedai of the current time period in terms of the amount of raw power they can wield. Nynaeve is even more powerful than the other two. Healing one slit throat doesn’t demonstrate that raw power. The show runners wanted to show she’s the most powerful person the room (cave) even though what she does is by instinct. I’m sure her power will be a major talking point for the Aes Sedai in the next episode.
When it comes to the hand motions, I think they’re expanding on a minor theme in the books that the tower trained aeis sedai tend to use unnecessary hand motions because that’s how they were taught those weaves but people like the kin (although they may not know as many weaves as an aeis sedai) are faster channelers because they don’t rely on hand motions because the kin specifically try to hide their ability from others
I remember an Aiel Wise Woman asking Moiraine why all the hand waving. TSR or FOH I think
true but the hand waving i imagined in the books looked alot more subtle and cool compared to these dance performances
True, and its super obvious when comparing Logain and the Aes Sedai's weaves. Logain's far more mobile than the Aes Sedai when channeling since he doesn't waste time on poses and hand signs.
I'm curious if they'll have Egwene, Elayne, and Nynaeve pick up the hand signs too or keep it more natural. With Nynaeve being so independent and largely self-taught and Egwene getting so much of her training from the Wise Ones, I feel like it'd make more sense for them to not do it
I agree and imagine as the show goes on that we will see the distinction between 'tower trained' weavers and instinctual (or some other training method) weavers become more apparent. Logain's channelling looked very different from the sisters, Nynaeve's blast at the end of the episode different again.
I think it also serves the purpose of making the weaving more explicit and interesting for a visual medium. Which, will likely pay off down the track when we see weaving from different groups. I imagine that the Wise Ones chanenling will be chorographed to look distinct from the Kin and they'll both look different to the Windfinders.
Which could lead to some cool mixed styles for Egwene, Nynaeve and Elaine.
In the first episode(maybe the 2nd)at the white cloak camp the yellow aeis sedai had her hands cut off while on the stake. Are they implying there powerless without them?
I see Nynaeve’s anger stemming from a) her only friend Lan dying as you said but also b) literally the only chance of her finding the other Emond’s Fielders again going down the drain. Without Moiraine or Lan, Nynaeve feels her only way of finding them slip through her fingers. Lan had also confirmed that they’d work together to do this once they got to Tar Valon
Oh I agree she was mad, it just didnt come across as i think it should for new viewers.
@@DanielGreeneReviews Well, yes but actually no? On one hand it could be taken to a new viewer with how the show portrays who’s going to be the Dragon figured Nyneave was the dragon (which I shouldn’t have spoiled it was instead her having a potential outburst moment) so the connection aspect really depends on execution of what the show has in store.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I think it did. She was obviousy pissed off at how powerless she felt to stop the fighting. This is the second time in few days that she cant save people during an attack, and now her friend is potentially dying. She defenetly gave everybody the largest fuck you ever.
@@DanielGreeneReviews also I believe it established anger when she was seeing everyone dying around her. Seeing people hurt and die angers her immensely.
@@MissCaraMint All the pieces are there for Nynaeve to be as pissed off as she was, but the show itself doesn't tell us any of that. I wouldn't say she gave anybody a fuck you. Sure, that makes sense for book Nynaeve, but nothing in the show suggest that at all. The battle in this episode was entirely different in every way to the previous situation in the two rivers. Nobody was dying, everyone around her seemed in control, even she herself was able to fend off someone who got to her. If instead it paralleled the two rivers attack, and the show made that clear, then what you're saying would make sense, but it doesn't.
2 things.
1. It's established in the books that Aes Sedai clean their clothes with the power. Clean clothes for them shouldn't be odd, especially days after they took Logain. Especially since they didn't take him in battle, they snuck into his tent and shielded him while he was sleeping.
2. It's also established in the books that there can be a backwash of power while healing a specific person. Her healing everyone was an expression of the strength of her power while she was healing Lan.
I totally forgot about the instance of that happening. Good reminder!
Yes, I was surprised that Daniel didn't mention. I feel like they clean their clothes with the power a lot in the books.
not to mention all of the novices that are constantly cleaning
Thanks for this.
@@jamescharles5907 but it was possible. Yes she was touching the one being healed but an aoe effect is reasonable. If anyone could have pulled it off it was nyn.
As impactful as Nynaeve is at the end, Logain Surrendering with tears was just amazing.
I was waiting for people to call him professor
It's bad though as Logain was still way more powerful than Nynaeve 🤷♂️ Robert Jordans own power chart has him 7 tiers above her. Logain is supposed to be 1 power tier below the absolute most powerful channelers of the Dragon, Moridin/Ishamael/Ba'alzamon & Rahvin.
I loved the addition of Logains story which we only hear of in the books but it does have some issues. The Aes Sedai look incompetent & weak when they are the superpower of the world at this point in the story. There should be a full circle of 13 to shield Logain with an army of thousands surrounding them and Warders that don't let their guard down for bonding & beer.
🚨SPOILER ALERT 🚨SPOILER ALERT🚨
Makes it difficult to see Nynaeve fixing Logain abilitys to channel again in future like she does in the books when she just witnessed him kill an entire room of people.
Poor bastard just had the light torn from him
Well, I wouldn't use "surrender.'
@@jt5765 I don't think they have to have 13 do they? I thought that was custom. It depends on how powerful they are. Moraine and Alanna and Liandrin are very strong.
Great stuff! I personally couldn’t have loved the ending fight scene more. I was breathless and on the edge of my seat. The scene where Lan translates the Old Tongue phrase for Nynaeve felt like the perfect setup for that climax.
i think this episode is the strongest so far. it doesn’t feel as rushed, the characters finally get to settle down and talk. there’s a lot of changes but still feels like wot
By far the furthest episode away from WoT. I enjoyed the first half and was just annoyed the rest of it. Little worried on what they are doing with the deletion of Saidin/Saidar dynamic as well.
@@brednbudr2406 What's missing about it? Everything still seems to be in there as far as I can tell; who can see whose weaves, surrender vs domination, etc etc. The bonus video is even specifically about Saidin and Saidar and its practically taken straight from the book.
Atm it just feels more like they haven't gone into it much rather than its been deleted, and tbf even at this point in the books channeling is presented as sort of a generic magic system. The real depth didn't come in till around Book 2-3. I'm holding final judgement for Egwene and Nynaeve's training in the White Tower, that's really the first chance they'll get to properly expound upon channeling in an organic way
The reds are depicted as "evil" in the early books, it helps solidify and explain the fear a male channeler would feel against the Aes Sedai. It isn't until later that they become more nuanced.
Nynaeve finds Lan and the gang by tracking them in the book so there is nothing strange with that. "There was nowhere for you to go except Baerlon. To be safe, though, I followed your trail." - Nynaeve, chapter 16, EOTW. Lan is "truly surprised" by this.
The clean clothes makes a clear distinction between the ordinary people and "important" people like the white cloaks and Aes Sedais. A nice touch here is that the Edmond's Fielders all have dirty clothes which strengthens the notion that they are common folk.
I agree that the battle sequence was a bit messy but I enjoyed the fact that it was not dark or raining. This I think should be more related to the touch of the dark one, providing even more of an ominous feeling when shadowspawn are involved.
The mass healing was a good way to show Nynaeves power without having to have forced dialogue about her strength in the one power and the fact that Login reacted so strongly to it keeps the identity of the dragon reborn still uncertain. I also don't think that Login could see her weaves rather he saw a strong light because she actually created a strong light while healing. This wouldn't be strange considering the fact that she has no idea of what she is doing.
I'm hoping the light only he saw. The sisters would've been imporessed by her weaves and power, but Logain was impressed by how strong of a Ta'veren she is. It likely manifested at the same time as she drew that much of the one power.
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The nature of the background is that the ordinary people are fearful of the Aes Sedai. But the reds are the type that generates the most fear.
These are all the same thoughts I had watching this video and I really think that all the negatively directed at the show whilst being overly critical of everything, is only going to get the show cancelled that much quicker.
@@adamhines9866 100%.
People are nit-picking when they should be thankful that it ever got filmed.
Logain was holding the power himself when Nynaeve heals everybody, her weaves also made contact with him. Its made clear in the books that men and women recognise when their weaves are impacted by another channeler (regardless of gender), and that they can also gain an impression of relative strength when this happens.
My take was that he didn't see her weaves, just felt the amount of power she released and witnessed the results. He recognised that she was more powerful than him and immediately understood that he wasn't the dragon Reborn.
I don't think that it was inconsistent with the books at all, (necessarily)
Exactly, his threads were blown away by her burst of power.
I don't know about the first part but the strenght part is inconsistent with the books, Logain is alot stronger than Nynaeve acording to the WoT Companion.
@@christianporomaa Doesn't Nynaeve shield him at one point in the books? The power levels in the Companion don't completely match up to what we see in the books imo.
@@qasim1901 she did but that part of the book also mentioned that she threw all her strength into the shield until she neared the point of pain, and the shield still bulged, but she knew he wasn't using his full strength, more like a flex where he was testing the shield, and satisfied, sat back comfortably.
@@tuesdae666 I've always thought she was wrong about him not using his full strength because it doesn't make sense for his character. Wouldn't he be doing everything he can to quickly break free and escape? I don't think he would be fine with being shielded, especially with the way the madness affects him and the likelihood of him being gentled.
I thought the scene with Nynaeve healing everyone was pretty good. It did a pretty good job introducing us to the fact that Nynaeve is extremely powerful in the One Power.
I really, REALLY enjoyed this episode. Logain was stellar, so captivating. Hope the rest of the series is like this!
I loved Logain, too! I think he did some of the best channeling in the show so far.
For the first time I disagree with you, I thought this episode was great! And the foreshadowing of what Nynaeve does to Logain in the future I thought was great. They are setting things up for the future of the story very well.
It fely kinda final how they screwed him in this one though.
One subtle chemistry build for me was Lan instinctively stepping in front of Nynaeve when the army start approaching. I also loved the contrast in the end scenes of Nynaeve looking around at all the other women being SO helpful/powerful, and she clumsily pulls out a flimsy knife by comparison. Felt like the whole point was to establish the contrast in how powerless she felt, to how powerful she is/became
And we all know what happens when Nynaeve feels powerless...she gets angry.
Yesss!! I loved that scene so much. Moments like these are always my fav so I was very happy they included it
But it also makes logical sense. At that point in time she was the only non trained fighter in the whole group. She was the only one who really couldn't take care of herself at that level.
Except Lan would of gone to defend Moiraine
Yes. I loved the moment
This show honestly feels revolutionary for the way it shows things like Rand offering genuine support to Mat without turning it into a joke, or Lan and Moiraine being deeply intimate and clearly caring for each other without it being sexual.
Also, HOLY FUCK NYNAEVE YES. I thought they were setting up a subplot to make us think she might become a warder but OK GUESS NOT!
Daniel, Nynaeve does track Lan in the books as well. Her father taught her to track. That she tracked him I think was one of the things that attracted Lan to Nynaeve in the books initially as well.
Here she is an orphan from "outside", but maybe someone from the village taught her.
That's how I remember it as well
Yep her tracking ability is well established in the books.
At this point we can just throw the books away. They have their list of character and place names, and that is just about all they intend to use.
She "tracked" them to Bearlon because (in her own words) "thats the only place you could be going"... Doesn't sound like tracking.
I personally assumed for the ending scene that they are just changing it so men can see women's weaves, instead of just sensing them.
Or, there is actual light as a byproduct of massive amounts of channeling. Like when Liandrin drew too much and her face started to glow.
Yes but which makes me wonder how they're going to do the significant masseuse event in a later book... Maybe just cut out that storyline altogether.
There’s a couple of possibilities here:
1. Men can see women’s weaves (yet Moiraine explicitly said women can’t see mens weaves earlier in the episode, so this is either a contradiction or an odd choice)
2. Nynaeve weaves light to distract Logain. This may or may not be her first time channeling; if it isn’t her first time, the light could be a distraction she made intentionally.
3. The light represents Ta’veren nature, and Logain is able to see Ta’veren like how Siuan can in the book. Nynaeve, therefore, is the fifth ta’veren
This seems like a lore break on the surface, but I can’t believe Rafe would let something like that slide without an explanation.
It’s strange though since they just established that women channelers cannot see weaves of saidin only a couple scenes prior.
I’m starting to get a bald patch from all the head scratching.
she likely weaved light as well as healing. she's untrained and probably unable to make a perfect weave out the gate and weaved light alongside the healing.
@@dsaillant811 I would offer another possibility. We know that everyone can see the results of channeling. For example, Moiraine throws a fireball, non channelers don't see the weaves, but everyone can see the fireball itself. So maybe a healing of that magnitude produces a light that is visible to everyone.
Do you like my new little goblin in the corner? Someone name him.
He has a dagger that's clearly from Shadar Logoth. Gordeth
He looks like a Usopp
Don't talk to me or my disheveled goblin son ever again.
It's adorable though😅
It's really cute, but my ADHD brain couldn't ignore it, and so I had to watch most of the video again😂🤦🏻♂️
Nynaeve healing the whole room may give us less emotional depth than if she focused on just Lan, but I think they were trying to show the immense amount of power that she is capable of. Earlier in that episode they remind us of how Healing someone will drain an Aes Sedai's energy, in proportion to the severity of the wound and how many people have to be Healed. Seeing Nynaeve, completely untrained in the use of the One Power, work on a room full of people who are on the brink of death tells the audience that she has an immense capacity for power, and an instinctive understanding of the various Weaves used in Healing. And even Logain is impressed. And remember that this happens shortly after Moiraine reminds Logain that the true Dragon Reborn will be vastly more powerful than him. (I've read the books but I won't say more than what the show has showed us so far)
"but I think they were trying to show the immense amount of power that she is capable of."
By having her do something that she totally is not actually capable of.
This episode is the biggest misdirection for those that haven't read the books
Oh yeah, it threw both Mat and Nyneave into the running for Dragon Reborn for non-readers. I was practically laughing when Thom started pointing out that he thought Mat could channel.
But what I also liked was we got Rand doing some of his special negotiation skills that happen in the books. So its like Rand, Mat, and Nynaeve all got 'DR treatment'. hehe
I am fine with a bit of it I just hope they don't overplay it.
Personally, I really loved this episode. I had a different headcanon on why Logain doesn't fight harder toward the end - he's realized he's not the Dragon, and that takes the starch out of him.
As someone who's never read the books and has no idea what's to come, the show to me was trying to flag that Nynaeve is the Dragon and he realized it is her and not him because he was in awe of her power.
@@adamp6320 I hope youtube doesn't show you deleted ccomments, didn't register the first half of your comment. Didn't mean to directly send you spoilers.
I absolutely loved this episode. The best one so far. I did not mind the changes in the story and I did not find anything wrong with the way it was shot. The ending was the most invested I have ever felt about this series and the most emotional I’ve been.
100% agreed. I like Daniel's foresight and knowledge but it's kind of crazy to me just how different he's perceiving a lot of these scenes versus my own experience.
Hard disagree about the Nynaeve healing scene, thought it was extremely emotional and powerful. Thought it was edited and shot extremely well, especially as her screams of rage lasted for so long.
I agree, I felt they did the scene pretty well. Book readers know Nynaeve has the one power while new watchers are not entirely sure. Leaving her as the last one standing gives the watcher a sense of panic, (she couldn't heal Moiraine, what can she possibly do in this situation), making the last part of the scene that much more unexpected and impactful. Also, I like to think that Lan, being the badass he is, saw the projectile coming and sacrificed himself to deflect the shard from hitting Nynaeve. The shard barely misses her and hits the rock right beside her face.
yeah i loved the power and gravity they set it up for and delivered imo. i love how they represent the power so its effects are clear n therefore solidifies an amorpheous shape but u dont actually 'see' the weaves i hope at se poimt like when they do the training stuff or like when nyneave does her badassery later, they show wjat it looks like ff the perspective of an AS how they can see all the different element weaves n how they knot/tie/wrap/slide/wiggle around is complicated. i loooooooobed the intricacies of the magic system n how it was described by men n women differently n the adjectives like 'probed around with a single weave of spirit looking for any opening, the tiniest crack'
This was my thought as well
I liked when talking with Lan, after confronting Logain, Moiraine says that she doesn't know if he's stronger than EGWENE or not, and then how by the end Nynaeve showcases her potencial despite not actually being on their radar. Also, I think they prolly just made her and Egwene ta'veren in the show, considering what they accomplish during the series thats seems plausible. And Logain being able to "see" ta'verens explains how he notices the beacon of light/light aura around Nynaeve.
Exactly, Egwene and Nyneave do as much if not more than the three ta'veren (save Rand of course) so making them also ta'veren is a simple and effective choice to put them on equal footing as the three boys. I think RJ made the original choice since they were meant to become Aes Sedai which is already powerful enough and the boys don't have that same clear cut power progression so explaining their power creep through being ta'veren was a smart writing choice.
@@MistaZULE nah I think making them taveren takes away their agency. I.e., their choices are now part of the pattern rather than their own free will. Way less meaningful for them as characters.
@@Julius_Smith But then you can say the same about Rand, Mat and Perrin. i see their choices as their choices, but the pattern puts all the pieces together for them to make that choice.
I don't take away the three ta'veren's agency in the story so the same woud be true for the supergirls.
@@MistaZULE they intentionally making Nynaeve a potentially dragon.thats why logaine can see her using saidar and gives up easily because he thinks he is not dragon.
but she is older than 4 or is it not a thing anymore
Only Logain shields his eyes during the healing so I just figured it was confirming that Nynaeve is the 5th ta’veren given his talent. I quite like the channeling movements, it’s a nice indicator of the training the women have received compared to logain who barely uses any hand motions.
I also thought it is his talent, which is also established in the books, that he sees t'averen! That talent is also described by a different character as seeing a "light" or "bright halo" around a t'averen...
I don't think she's ta'veran. I DO think Egwene is. However, it would explain why Logain and all those sisters just showed up.
I thought 3 tavern was to much in the books. 5 is overkill IMO
This episode was SO amazing. I completely disagree with the criticism. I loved the parallels between what Rand did and the story about the way of the Leaf, which adds to the poignancy of that scene.
Egwene and Perrin and the tinkers was SO poignant to me. I actually felt them MORE than in the books, and I felt them pretty good in the books.
Love the Nynaeve plotline, loved her heal bomb, and it's the perfect way to accelerate her story to the good parts. It also makes her a candidate to be the Dragon, which they hinted at with the "who was the fifth?" line earlier in the show.
Their synchronized movements during casting really helps drive the point home that they are linked and Liadrin was leading it and the one responsible.
In some ways knowledge of the books is detrimental to people enjoying the show and letting the storytellers tell the story. They don't need to explain everything right away.
This was my favorite episode so far! I have only read the books once so I am familiar with the storyline but I haven’t reread it and obsessed over the story like others have.
I agree- loved this episode and found it incredibly compelling. I read the series when I was in college, but Brandon Sanderson’s books hadn’t been written yet, so I don’t know the ending. I started a reread this fall and I’m on Lord of Chaos now. Anyway, I’m watching with 3 non book readers and they LoVeD this episode and completely understood the heal bomb. It got the point across for them that oh dang Nynaeve is really powerful and didn’t know it herself. And the way Lan stepped in front of Nynaeve instinctually when the battle started? I love it.
For the people going “how did nynaeve track Lan:” she didn’t. She tracked Lan, Rand, Egwene, Mat, Perrin, and a wounded Moiraine. Something tells me Lan wasn’t cleaning up all the signs left behind by the Edmonds fielders
She tracked them in the books.
If I remember right she was able to track the Emonds-felders as she has built some magical bond with them due to healing them with one power before
@@roolenoir3183 Exactly. "Them."
@@GoErikTheRed ok, I was just saying.... easy there. Did you want me to delete my comment? I’d hate to up set you.
@@roolenoir3183 Upset me? Lol, don't worry about that. Even if you had offended me, I wouldn't hold it against me. It seemed to me like you meant your comment as a counter to mine, so I just wanted to clarify that we were saying the same thing.
(Despite the fact that I'm sure I misspelled like three different character names, I have actually read the books. Well, 1-7 anyway)
I actually really liked the Tuatha'an part of this episode. Maybe it's because I was so afraid that The Way of the Leaf would come off super corny, but I think Ila's speech about her daughter and the hopes for a better future for when she's spun out again by the Wheel was quite a compelling argument for her to have. I still fundamentally disagree with the Tuatha'an given that there's literal evil in the world that they absolutely have to be rid of, but I can at least see the appeal of it from some folks.
I found it really moving. Especially with it being somewhat linked with Rand talking down the farmer and them offering assistance instead of fighting.
Ila's speech was tbe most beautiful part or the episode, seriously so good
I'm a bit thrown off by the Irish accents tbh
@@TheMightofDab me too hated it
@@TheMightofDab That's her natural accent. She's Irish. I actually love that certain pivotal actors are being allowed to keep their own accents. Same with Spanish Logain and Danish Thom.
In the books Logain explains that he saw Rand glowing like the sun when he saw him from a distance in Caemlyn due to him being Taveren.
I assumed he was seeing Nyneave as a Taveren
My favorite theory for this atm. I don't think the sisters saw anything but her strength, he saw the light and that's what made him know he's not the dragon.
Nyneave isn't tarveren. Why did the writers feel the need to nerf Logain to show her strength? Poor effort.
@@tom4115 how did they nerf Logain? I thought he came off as very powerful here.
@@rdarod He was in awe of nyneave and said "a raging sun". In the books he's many levels above her. He's legit one of the most powerful chanellers ever, stronger than multiple forsaken. The only mortal on his level in Mazrim Taim and no other mortal is even close. Nerfed for no reason. Very sad way to write.
@@tom4115 That could be him misunderstanding what he is seeing. If they made Nynaeve a ta’veren and she is the first one he has seen activating he may be misconstruing that as her power level since he can’t sense her power directly. It may clear things up when he sees Rand later.
Disagree with most of Daniel's comments on the emotional resonance of this episode and Nynaeve's scene.. been reading WoT for 20 years and this episode had me sitting on the edge of my sofa, shouting at the TV. I could barely sleep afterwards, there were so many *feels*
The Tinkers in the book bored me a bit, TBH. In this episode, I was *moved*
Nynaeve's scene wasn't in the book - and I couldn't care less. It blew everyone away. My twitter feed was full of people having *meltdowns* about it. In a good way.
Logain? *(chefs kiss)* .. As soon as I saw him melt those bars I was pregnant.
Amen to all of this!!
YESS agreed 100%!
Totally agree with you. This episode brought my wife around too, who was lukewarm after the first three.
Yes! Also vet book reader here, and this episode gave me shivers. I felt all of that emotional resonance, didn't find it lacking in any way. Might even have gasped out loud at Nynaeve, tbh.
Well, I agree with Daniel on this. It's possible nostalgia helped you here. 😉
In my opinion not enough time to build good chemistry between Nynaeve and Lan.
Goblin! Looking back into the dream sequence when Perrin was hammering that stack of... People? I looked back to clips shown of Perrin, more specifically, the ring he wares on his left ring finger. I dont think he's beating a Tinker. I think he's hammering away at himself.
Pretty sure it's his wife, you can see her big blonde braid. The ring could be the same either because he kept it as a memory of her or it's a wedding band made as an identical pair.
@@EamonCoughlan I was thinking along those lines as well, I assued he was using an axe tho, missed the hammer.
While your rewrite has merit, some thoughts on why the Nynaeve scene works as is, especially if you put yourself in non-reader shoes: 1. coming just after Moiraine's speech, it sets up another "who is the dragon reborn?" feint to go along with what Thom said about Mat (and Egwene apparently being "powerful"), 2. It makes it super clear how crazy powerful Nynaeve is, again compared to how Lan said earlier how Egwene is apparently powerful and we haven't even seen her do anything. If she's powerful, what is Nynaeve? and finally 3. having such a big outburst will make her later training and having the hate/anger block really easy to plot. Maybe you'd call it clumsily handled, but again, for non-readers it will be a really simple juxtaposition between "healed 10 people in one go" and "can't light a candle" (or whatever other novice task she's trying to do).
Also a thought, if we are to question which one is the Dragon Reborn, it could be that Nynaeve is actually channeling the male source and he could see it. As though she is a woman, perhaps the Dragon Reborn as a woman also still channels with the male side.
I've started thinking of this as a 4th age but not the one from the books. Which does in fact leave "who is the dragon" on the table. I doubt they changed it, something that core to the story, but it's entirely possible, but until I started thinking of it as another 4th age, I would've completely hated that getting changed. So I doubt they would?
@@TheHomicidalTendency I highly doubt they have, it would be way too major a change not to have leaked (even purposely, to get fans ready for it). I see it more as them using the various traits of the DR to help fill out the other characters and spread that exposition around (and add a little "mystery"). In terms of writing the show for non-readers, it's cleverly done to be honest. It's just that readers so obviously know which it is, so they obviously can only go so far in setting up the "mystery" without seeming ridiculous.
I can’t stand this whole plot line of “who’s the dragon” because it’s just well makes no sense. The only reason the dragon coming back is scary for some is because he is a male channeler…. If the dragon is suddenly female, well there goes that whole issue cause now they won’t go mad at all…
It's super unclear how crazy powerful she is. Like is she the most powerful being that ever lived by an order of magnitude to make Logain a god tier strength channeller feel like a peasant? Should they just end the series now since she could sneeze and burn the dark one from the wheel forever?
I think with the battle at the end we’re seeing it from Nynaeves perspective, which is why it feels so hectic and why we don’t really have any sense of where we are. It’s all overwhelming and is chaotic because that’s how she experiences it.
Thats a good way to view it
@@WoT_MatC and another call back to RJ's unreliable narrator way of writing. we never really saw how things actually are, but more how our narrator was seeing them. nice catch Kieran!
That's a good excuse for bad directing
@@ijustwanttolikecomments4677 nice catch? That is not a nod to anything. It's bad directing. The end. Stop making their lack of talent into lore nods. You don't need make excuses for them. You sound like a battered wife defending her abuser
@@merc9nine my apologies if i offended you. i understand it's your opinion that it's bad directing , however your opinion doesn't equal fact. id end by saying agree to disagree but you(and many others) seem so filled with hate, like husbands who continually batter their spouses no matter their promises to change, i dont understand how anyone can live life like that. be well friend! find an excuse to smile, not frown.
As a book reader I really enjoyed that episode, though it’s different than the book, but in a good way for the show. Finally some world building with explanations which can be understood by non-book readers too.
Synchronized hand moves while linking and gentling. For me that was a great idea and gave more visual impact than everyone doing nothing and linking just happening.
And Nyneave…goosebumps for me for sure! Loved it.
I thought it was a good move to visualise different kinds of spells, which were named by the narrator in the books, so it will not look like in anime when ppl just describe all the times what they are doing, so you can simply guess by their moves "OH, they are making a small circle or it is a Balefire or something with lack of visualisation in books
also it emphatizes the difference in power between Logain and the Aes Sedai. They are giving it all, they are frantically making gestures: he's not. It works wonders from a visual prospective.
As a book reader 20 years ago, I don't remeber the books other than the charachters. Is this what happens to Logain in the books?
By far my favorite episode. I would say this is the one that has rescued the whole series for me thus far. Ms Robins is an actress as exceptional as the character she plays, and it's SO good to see! They prayer scene in particular was amazing: just watch the expressions that play out on her face! It's the most real-feeling thing this show has yet given me.
16:58 You didn't feel the emotion there? I was losing it watching Lan bleed out, and we're literally 10 minutes after Nynaeve and Lan shared a very emotionally significant moment. Nynaeve's affect landed perfectly with me. I don't think the show failed to deliver there; I think it just didn't connect for you.
I was visibly moving and squirming on the couch during this moment and was so stressed out. Even though I read the book it still hit me!
I 100% agree with you! Like I was struggling to breath cause I was so anxious!
Yep, me too. I think this was personal for Daniel. Even my wife, who has no background in this, was moved…in fact, the response to this scene seems to be universally positive (or maybe I’m standing in an echo chamber).
I agree, this scene had me crying and shaking! And I've read the books, so I knew these characters couldn't be dead ...but I wasn't sure if this was a change they decided to make for the show. I was about to get as angry as Nynaeve lol
Yeah I think the scene was wonderful.
Big fan of the books. Love the show on the whole so far. I really wasn't sure about Alvaro Morte when he was cast (mainly as I have a very specific image of Logain), but man, he was great and I like what they did with his character on balance. Really really interested to see where they go with him.
It’s not how I pictured Logain but it’s a very interesting turning of him. More chaotic.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I like how they focused on him not being evil and not wanting to kill people if it can be avoidee, I think its going to give a really good juxtaposition to the vibe Taim is going to give off.
I don't have a problem with the hand waving - if I remember correctly one of the things established in the books is that many of the AeSedai engage in gesture when channelling, and its one of the things that sets the newer channellers apart (Logain doesn't during the episode for instance). Agree with you're 'rewrite' of the scene though. The battle and the bit with Nynaeve healing was visually muddled. The bits with Mat and Rand were excellent imo.
@@DanielGreeneReviews I feel like they should have made him workout some more, where them broad shoulders we been hearing so much about lol
Man, Logain kicked ass in this episode. I felt goosebumps all over me when he was channeling and when he controlled the seeping madness
I like the way they handled the healing scene. I think it was important to show that not only can Nyneave channel but she is stronger than anybody else. That’s why so many people were hurt. They want people to think she’s probably the Dragon.
And I think they purposely made Logain heal the king of Ghealdan so that we know he understands healing. This way when he sees Nyneave heal so many at once he knows how strong she must be.
I keep forgetting the identity of the dragon is still up in the air as far as the show is concerned, I remember Matt even asking who the fifth person that moraine said could be the dragon
Edit: which is egwane, the one who has shown to be very powerful now
@@hmg9194 I like the fact that Tom thinks Matt can channel. That leaves something in the future that will be entertaining to see corrected.
@@TheHomicidalTendency Indeed, so may fun surprises for show-only people!
This episode was a 9/10 for me (my previous ratings: Ep1: 5/10, Ep2: 7.5/10, Ep3: 7/10). They managed to fit in a huge amount of lore and character progression in an hour without feeling rushed. Sure, the technical execution wasn't perfect, but I think they delivered on the story beats and foreshadowing really well. I actually think it was a good idea for Nynaeve to "Mass Heal" the group to show the extent of her power, rather than just healing one person. It quickly sets up that she is much, much more powerful than any other channeler we've seen so far, referencing how Moiraine said Loghain's power was a speck compared to the Dragon Reborn.
And yes, I also squee'd at Birgitte.
Except that the books already reveal that in a much better way. Tossing out the source material and even breaking the laws of the magic system to "get a point across" quicker, is not something to applaud.
Believe it or not, we don't need to know everything about each character within the first 4 episodes, or even the first season. There's a reason we all loved the books so much, and maybe they should try and stick to that...
@@brednbudr2406 The thing is the show is actually being more subtle and less revealing about a number of things at this exact point. I know this because I've basically just got to the point in the book where Thom fights the Myrddraal so it's still pretty fresh. We've actually seen more hints and straight up reveals in the book about Rand, Perrin, and Mat at this point in the story. The show has barely shown anything about Rand except that he broke down a door that was supposed to be super strong. We know that some wolves seem to like Perrin for some reason. And there's not much more about Mat except that he's got the dagger. We know more about all three of them in the books already, and there have been a number of other clues sprinkled around as well that former readers should pick up on.
By contrast they've revealed a fair amount more about the Aes Sedai, Moiraine, and now some of Nynaeve's abilities. Though Moiraine does state right out that both she and Egwene are unusually strong in the book.
While the show is taking a different angle with it, there's also a particular scene where it's strongly implied that all five of them are important by this point in the book, so I don't find it to be that big of a change really.
The thing is rand isn’t the strongest channeler in the books he’s tied with ishamael and logain is close behind them. While Nyneave is strong she’s not as strong as Logain in the books and even if they change some of that in the show she shouldn’t be more powerful although I could see her matching him being fine
@@peace4626 He was stronger than Ishmael. He was a little boy when he first faced him. Rand doesn't fully realize his power till the final battle. Literally the whole series he's getting stronger, finding his limits. Even Moridin was using the True Source, so hardly counts.
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Ravhin is equal to Lews Therin, aka Rand at full strength.
Logain was equivalent to Sammael and Demandred, and who was equal to or stronger than Taim..
Ishamael, Rand, and Ravhin are the only 3 characters in the series stronger than Logain..
I felt the emotion! When Nyneave screamed it's the first tear I shed. I know it is completely different from the books, but the emotion I know that is there, from what happens in the books, made me know exactly what she was going through and that moment resonated with me thouroughly.
100% agree. I had tears running down my face at that part. My face a mixture of happiness, sadness and excitement. Was a great moment 👌. I watched it again today with my kids, thinking nothing of it, and it happened again lol.
Me too man, just watched it now and tears. Wow. If i let go of the book narrative, the show is just better. My wife loves it, though she read the first 8 books about 10 years ago, enough of the story has faded in her memory for her to be surprised by everything. And it works for me too to just let the show be the show and the books be the books… hard as that is.
It's the same feeling you get when she is at the bottom of that river.
@@TheWayfarerFamily I completely agree. I'm treating it like hitch hikers. Every version of that is different. Same story just a little different and all good in their own way. It's an adaptation not a like for like script. And with that in mind the changes aren't too bad
@@JJWOOLF I’m not anal enough to worry when not everything is EXACTLY like the books. (Which aren’t perfect either, but which never bothered me) so I just enjoy anything I can when it happens.
Though I do appreciate people critiquing things so as to make them better in the future. Not worth getting emotional over though.
I usually love your videos, but you couldn't be more wrong about the Reds. Especially Liandrin is seen willing to burn herself out to avenge her sister's death, and her wit is exposed greatly in the episode. She is def better portrayed here than in the books, where you straight up know she's a villain.
Also, I strongly disagree about Logain not trying to block his gentling. He was in awe and shock from what he saw (or felt, let's not forget that he's supposed to see Ta'veren if they're keeping that) and it was this moment that he realized he may not be the Dragon, which is a fundamental aspect of his character at this point.
I enjoyed the reaction overall, but 7/10 puts it next to the last episode and IMO it was MUCH better.
I liked Liandrin caring about Kerene's death. It makes her more likeable.
agree about logain, he was in shock and lost control of saidin. Liandrin caring about Nagashi's death is weird, I really thought she would do something to facilitate Logain escaping the shield so she could have an excuse to gentle him.
@@damp2269 do we for sure know that she didn't? ;)
either this, or that Logain withholding his full strength until the army arrived are fine theories, to me.
Yeah I'm really liking the portrayal of Liandrin, she's much more human and believable than in the books where she was just straight up BAD. I like how in general everybody seems to have a lot of gray, no one is just good or evil
@@Greg93CSD i'm 95% sure she didn't, leaving myself a bit of wiggle room with the things they are changing but I don't see how she could.
You are right on Logain holding back and waiting, it's the same for him than for aes sedai, he might push around 2 or 3 but there are 7 on the cam plus all the warders, eventually someone would put an arrow on his neck if he tried to take on all of them at once.
The episode was epic as hell🤯🤯...best episode so far😊
The Nynaeve channeling scene was absolutely perfect to me I loved it.
Same. I’ve rewatched it a bunch and it gets me every time. The only think I agree with Daniel on this is that Logain shouldn’t have appeared to see the channeling. Otherwise, such. A. Powerful. Scene!
This episode was definitely an improvement. I think with this episode that they do highlight that men and women can’t see each other’s weaves. Moiraine says that she can’t see Logains weave but can sense his power pushing against her own. I think with Nynaeve her weave might be pushing against his own and he can sense her radiance and is in awe of her power. He gives up because he feels somebody who is as strong or slightly stronger and realizes who may not be the Dragon Reborn which breaks him. The difficulty is that since this show has to show the audience weaves we are getting the sense that everybody on the show can see weaves. Great episode still and there still some issues especially with editing
I like that. You made me delete my comment. What you say would work perfectly.
Well to be fair he kept covering his eyes during the heal-bomb so I’m leaning towards another commenter’s perspective that maybe Nynaeve’s burst just came with some light, probably for spectacle for new viewers (like me)
Yes, this makes perfect sense.
@@kb-ih7ni That theory really doesn't hold water through. He would not be so impressed by just a light show many aes sedai could do that.
@@GraveFable25 Logain has a bit of an inflated ego though even in the books he always seems aloof and likes to think he's higher than everyone, he wears fancy clothes (in the books it's a fine red coat), and I guess they reflect that here when Nynaeve show's that she just completely shredded his weaves. Also don't forget it actually is quite jarring to channelers to have your weaves torn apart, it's enough to give Nynaeve, elayne, egewene an edge in several confrontations with bigger bads. Not even all the big bads can tear apart weaves.
Regarding Nynaeve tracking Lan:
“You . . . followed our trail?” Lan said, truly surprised for the first time that Rand could remember. “I must be getting careless.”
“You left very little trace, but I can track as well as any man in the Two Rivers, except perhaps Tam al’Thor.” She hesitated, then added, “Until my father died, he took me hunting with him, and taught me what he would have taught the sons he never had.” She looked at Lan challengingly, but he only nodded with approval.
“If you can follow a trail I have tried to hide, he taught you well. Few can do that, even in the Borderlands.”
- The Eye of the World Chapter 16: The Wisdom
Now go read the chapter where Moiraine and Nynaeve discuss her ability to channel. Chapter 21 Listen to the Wind
@@anomanderrake440 it's not that big of a deal to just credit her own skill as a tracker, in this new turning of the wheel. Makes her more badass
@@TheOnlyWay2Go. ahh yes. We need more mary sues because there arent nearly enough in everything these days lol. Definitely not a pattern that is so overplayed it makes you roll your eyes into next week
@@anomanderrake440
What about it? If you are referring to her ability to sence whether Egwene is present that does not change the fact that she tracked them to Baerlon.
It's not like she is Bonded to Egwene. In that very chapter she expresses ignorance of her location.
This episode was like 10 times as good as the previous three.
* Great Character moments
* Great World building
* Awesome Action that also showcase more channeling
If the rest of the show is like this, i have no idea what they were thinking with the first three episodes, because i was not really vibing with them, but with this episode i am all aboard!
A big thing is the framing within the constant chase scenario for the first few episodes which gives little room to have a slowed down moment. And with the party not split up yet, following a one track story line makes the structure weird as they have to just shoe in plot points to get from A to C while also finding places to shoehorn exposition to give some background to the story.
Now that we have multiple stories to follow, the structure should be better and the episodes should be able to hide more inherent flaws in trying to adapt this series.
The rest of the show? It's already half done, episode 4 was mid season..
@@ChristmasLore lol what. There's 8 seasons planned. We are 1/16th done.
@@kyleledermann2473 , no, there's not. Rafe would want more, it just came up in an interview but there's no confirmation whatsoever.
He also said for instance book 1 needed one season, some books might get compressed later, etc.
But that's not the point, thing is, the way it's going and with the hard competitive environment, I highly doubt they'll even strike half that.
@@ChristmasLore he's said in countless interviews that they've outlined it for 8 seasons. Just cause Amazon hasn't picked up all 8 doesn't mean the outline isn't there. And if he wants more than that then more to my point.
Wheel of time was never meant for live action anyway, it's way to cheesy a story. And it's not high fantasy enough to do it like LoTR. It should have been an anime.
But the series is like a 5 or 6/10 so far which isn't the end of the world. I could see it hitting a solid 8/10 if they improve over time.
Rand telling Mat he's there for him -- it's those moments that are winning me over for the show. SOME shows [clears throat] always go with the ickiest way the scene could play out. Some shows (and books!) are full of awful people doing awful things to each other. I like it that this show is willing to do the harder thing (risk coming across as soft) and have moments of surprising kindness to offset the ickiness. See also Logain NOT killing the king in the cold open, the wolf licking Perrin's wound, Tom and Mat burying the Aiel, etc. I'm really appreciating those light moments.
Yep, not everyone is out for themselves, like in GOT/ASOIAF.
@@mbenoit77 not everyone in asoiaf is out for themselves. Jon (right now Dany) Tyrion Ned the hound Robb and Jaime all do selfless things throughout the story. Even Tywin and Kevan is out for mostly his family and no one else. A lot of characters are in it for themselves and grimdark isn't for everyone obviously but the story has characters do nice things for eachother.
Easily the best episode imo. Loved it from start to finish. Finally onboard with this show
Favorite episode so far. Dialogue is great. Characters are really getting fleshed out already. This series is going to be all about immense character development.
Yeah that’s what I’m excited about. We are on the tip of the iceberg. Once the series goes further.
I really enjoy the synchronization of the weaves with the Aes Sedai, It shows discipline and they've all, whilst different colours, cut from the same base cloth to achieve the same goal. I think it gives it a more cinematic experience. Not mad at it.
16:30 I actually liked that Nynaeve's channeling wasn't focused on one person. I think the scene emotionally was focused on Logain and the audience. For Nynaeve, I don't think the outburst was because of one person - I don't think she has enough of a connection with Lan yet. But the whole thing, all the violence, after her village, after escaping the trollocs and killing, after the battle in the woods and having to kill again (iirc there was a shot focusing on her face to show how it was affecting her emotionally), the whole situation is the straw that broke the camel's back for her. For me, it didn't need to focus on one personal connection to make me care about the audience.
More than that, in terms of emotion, this wasn't just about her feelings. This was about Logain seeing the truth of Moraine's words, suddenly moving from absolute certainty in himself and his path to seeing someone who eclipses him, which makes his pushing aside of others' warnings an issue of pride, not of purity of purpose. And the scene is about those thoughts being what his distraught mind focuses on while he goes through what Tom was describing earlier. The gentling is a breaking of his power literally, but also a breaking of his spirit metaphorically. But maybe toward an end...? Because taming a horse is also called breaking or gentling, right?
And, regarding the audience, it supposed to pay off the whole "who's the fifth" by showing she's got the power to be the dragon - the show is really pushing that it could be any of them, and really leaning on Mat and Nynaeve right now.
except that in the next episode they ruin it by saying she channeled to save him
Thing is tho, in the book, when talking with Moiraine back in Edmonds Field, Nynaeve spoke about how seeing an injury would make her mad and she would heal them seemingly miraculously. We saw that here.
All in all, the best episode so far to me. Mat Rand and Thom were just next level, and Perrin with Ila resonated so hard. In the books, Elyas chastises Ila for pushing her belief system too hard, so that was true to source. I like the idea of Logain’s actions in Ghealdan being the series open. I get what you said about the Battle feeling like a LARP, but not all battles have to be Helms Deep. We’ll get to Dumai’s Wells soon enough
Except you can’t help without touching the person even Nyvaeve
Ashaman, kill.
Exactly, and I thought the scene was handled well. The way I saw it, her focus was on Lan but her power was so overwhelming that the healing impacted everyone there.
We saw every character come into their own in this episode.
Yeah right she gets mad and heals a wound in the books hmm then why do ppl still die when she cant heal them and she couldnt heal tam she never conciously used the power to heal anyone she just used it to boost her herbs you dont even see her egwane or elayne really fight anyone properly till like book 4 or 5 or whatever when nyneave fights moghaiden and that was after spending time in white tower and training otherwise even rand that keeps getting some memories from lews therin has srious trouble using the power
Her powers also manifest with worry as the story of Egwene with bone break fever shows. She had an ample amount of worry seeing Lan dying.
I enjoy how they're portraying the warders as more than stoic servants of their aes sedai
The way the connection between the warder and their Aes Sedai was shown was god awful. I just hate it.
I like it too
@@AA-hr1bk How would you have it portrayed then?
yes! i really enjoyed the scene of the warders sitting around at the campfire and talking (especially the "the three of them.. don't...)
@@AA-hr1bk Which ones specifically? They were all portrayed differently.
Me and my gf are non-book readers (though I'm going to fucking fly through the series after season 1 cuz I'm loving the TV show) and everything about that final battle worked for us. My girlfriend was freaking out at how cool the initial battle was, and then totally bought in that everyone was dying, and then totally exploded with joy that Nyneav (still learning spelling) healed them all. Her attention wasn't split and her suspension of disbelief wasn't tested here.
Though I definitely see that if they're bending rules here, that could have repercussions down the road. I'm just commenting because you said "the viewer won't believe that" a few times in the video and maybe that's true of a book fan, but we were totally in the moment, feeling what the show wanted us to.
Though I also admit, your version might have been even more effective
For that alone I will thank the show. 😁
good luck flying through them! I love the series and I'm doing a 3rd read now but that 3rd quarter can feel sisyphean at times.
@@EamonCoughlan I got through the entire Cosmere in 90 days. As long as the books grab me it'll be an easy one
Maybe I'm just nit-picking, but did anyone else see the tears fall from Logain's eyes as the Power was taken from him? That moved me!
Logain felt her power to his core. Also, her power was so strong, so severe and so commanding, that her channeling created visible light. He didn’t saw the channeling. He saw the results: impossible healing and blinding light ALONG with him feeling her power.
I don't think he can see her power, I think he notices her healing, which would be impressive as he knows how difficult it is, but I think he sees her manifest as a Ta'veren. A powerful one.
@@TheHomicidalTendency That makes more sense, as he does have the ability to see Ta'veren. To be honest, Ewgene and Nynaeve were written as if they WERE ta'veren, with the way people and events surrounded them, even away from the 3 boys.
@@TheHomicidalTendency Anyone can see the power with the amount that she used.
I think you're right. Earlier in the episode they established very clearly that you can not see the other sex channel, right after Moraine took over keeping up the barrier for Logain.
Still in this shot, Logain had to blind his eyes from Nynaeve in her channeling outburst. But I think it really was visible light and not just the channeling, as we even see Nynaeves skin turn reddish-bright as the one power filled her. The light being emmited is probably just a side effect of her being unexperienced with that power and doing several things at once → healing, radiating light and I think also pushing out a small shockwave, at least it looks like that to me.
I hope Daniel reads this.
@@igors5637 The power isn't visible to just anyone. Its canon that men cannot see the weaves of women and visa versa. But since were just jumping ship and everyone is using the show as a fan fiction you can join in and say whatever, there is no accountability anymore.
I saw someone theorize that Logain is actually seeing that Nynaeve is ta'veren, not that she was channeling. He hadn't seen her before then. And that's how he sees Rand in the books, so maybe they're setting that up here?
Or can just feel her channeling, Rand could feel female channeling in the book as prickles on his skin. And then he sees that she healed everyone like that and could see how much power that would take.
@@devinfoster6023 you just spoilered it for me
@@devinfoster6023 I suggest that you edit this post to not include spoilers for those who haven't read the books. At the very least, put a spoiler warning and drop your comment down so it's not immediately visible.
@@d.rock2224 I think that Daniel is right on this, because Logain's portrayal in this scene isn't just someone that is sensing a woman channeling; he's shielding his eyes from the overwhelming light of her power, which indicates that he's actually seeing her weaves.
*Maybe Slight Spoilers?*
Nynaeve isn't ta'veren though, is she? I'm pretty sure it was just the Perrin, Rand, and Matt that are ta'veren in the books.
The first couple episodes had me a little worried, but 3 and 4 have completely sold me on this adaptation, it's a good show in its own right, even if they change quite a bit of the story.
I think this is how a lot of people are feeling including me. Show is really coming together
Yeah it’s still quite early in the series, once things are fleshed out, I think it’s going to get even better.
Long time book reader, this was a 9/10 episode for me. I wanted to see the fade fight a few seconds more, and I agree that it it would have helped a lot if the location of the battle was clearer, but overall the emotional beats and the building of the layers to that final pay off was excellent as a piece of TV that will appeal to a broad camp of non-book readers and book readers.
For example, about 9-eves block and anger. At this stage nobody watching knows that anger is the specific nature of her block (and we dont even know for sure that this will be retained in this show?). What we saw was that emotional response (noooo!) of somebody that we know she likes, possibly dying. This fits with what we have been shown in the episode, with what is established. Having all the other AS in the room disabled also then helps show that she is the only person who can do something. The blinding light part, we could simply say was some effect that she accidentally made. Very few people will actually pick up on this or care. And finally, the hand motions for linking and severing most viewers probably thought were cool, because they helped to visually telegraph what was going on.
Overall, what we saw was maximum impact for that broad spectrum of viewers, and most of your issues seem to be more book / lore centric. IMDB score for this episode is now at 9.2 with over 2000 reviews. And again and again, every other review is saying "I wasn't sure at first about this series, but now I am sold." So, the proof really is in the pudding there. They absolutely made the right call with how the handle this scene. It does generate some questions about the possibly lore implications, but 9/10 people aren't going to be emotionally held back from a scene due to lore.
Hi, I am a non book reader, i accidentally got spoiled on the identity of dragon reborn, will that affect my experience enjoying wheel of time?
@@alfred1727 I don't think so. When reading the first book for the first time I was intuitively very sure who it was right from the beginning, just becuase which character's POV we got first. It didn't dim my enjoyment in the slightest as the journey is the engaging part and the reveal just a nice satisfactory payoff among many other.
Just thought I'd chime in and say that as a non-book reader, I'm really enjoying the show. There are a few clunky shots and some mediocre CGI at times, but I think it's extremely entertaining to a mass audience just like Netflix's Witcher. Sad for book readers who want a specific adaptation, but fun for everyone else.
Don't worry. Some of us book readers think the show is super fun too. I love it.
All the changes can easily be justified with the show being a different turning of the wheel than the books (not really a spoiler, time is cyclical in this world, each event happens over and over again, but slightly differently.)
@@Colaman112 that doesn't make sense. People generally don't come back as the same person, otherwise Lews Therin would come back as Lews Therin, not a girl, or a boy. It's the same turning, they are just changing things, good or bad.
@@Colaman112 things don't happen over and over again slightly differently. If things happen similarly at all, it's major events like opening the bore that are similar, and the how, why, and all the rest would be wildly different.
@@merc9nine Quote from Brandon Sanderson: “It’s the same souls, but in a different actual turning of the Wheel,” he said. “It’s not the one Jim and I worked on, it’s a different version of it.”
Obviously he is not Jordan, but if he thinks that the show could be a different turning, then I have a hard time accepting you saying that it doesn't make sense that it would be.
I thought that last sequence was one of the best things I've ever seen in fantasy shows. Honestly surprised you were so critical about it.
SPOILERS from books: The scene where Egwene is looking up at the sky (while talking to Aram) and says something to the effect of , "I would know if he is not alive" to Rand still being alive, I think is brilliant, and foreshadows her Dream Walking abilities and being able to identify Dreams of people she know :D
My non book reader wife thinks Nyaneve is the dragon reborn now…lmao.
I’ve seen a small, but very loud contingent of book readers shitting their pants about the whole “boy or girl” thing, but seeing the affect it has on non book readers is A+.
She has no idea. So that’s a good thing and makes me happy.
This was probably my favorite episode so far. However, My ratings of the episodes have been so skewed by my wife’s reactions. She learned a lot about this world in this episode and she literally cursed at the end because we have to wait another week.
Yeah I like them hiding who the dragon reborn is, brilliant writing.
(Book 7 Spoilers !!)
The way they started to intruduce my girl Birgitte just melted my heart!! really enjoyed the doll to show she is indeed a legend!
Couldn't help but smile at the Birgitte doll.
I literally made an eeeeee sound, not my manliest moment 😂
Birgitte first arrives in the series in book 4, albeit in a small way.
I absolutely loved the Nynaeve scene at the end, it’s giving a clear display of her raw strength in the one power. Yeah it’s a change from the books, but it works so well in the narrative they’re trying to tell… and it’s SUCH a Nynaeve thing to do.
My thoughts exactly
I cried like a baby when she did her thing.
Same, and so far I love Nyneave, the Aes Sedai and warders WAY more than Rand and friends.
It's a big change though and how will they handle it? She saved the lives of like 10 sedai and Warders . They owe her. Will the story just ignore it going forward
@@mattmichael3310 I would expect the Aes Sedai will do two things. First try to befriend her and groom her for their particular Ajah. Then particularly the Reds, when they realise her allegiance is with others, will treat her like the novice piece of s*** that they think she is. No respect at all until she is actually Aes Sedai.
I think part of the reason that they had Nynaeve heal the entire room was to give a reference to just how powerful she is as a channeller, both to set up her as a character but also to hint towards her being a potential DR candidate. She's not just healing one person, she's healing an entire room in an instant. That's not to say your criticism for the scene wasn't valid, but I get why they went for it.
Same deal with Logain apparently seeing Nynaeve's weaves, which I can kinda excuse as him just going "holy shit she just did an AoE heal that's wild ur crazy bro". Likewise, him sort of just giving up seems like that was in response to him having a mini crisis about no longer being the front runner for DR. It's all a bit awkward though and weirdly conveyed, so still fair criticism there.
This was her "It's over 9000!" moment, flying braid and all lol. I did like how earlier they showed how effortful healing was for all the other aes sedai. It made this scene more impactful to me.
I agree about the reason for the aoe heal. I'm not thinking Logain could actually see her weaves. (Moiraine actually said earlier in the episode she couldn't see men's weaves, so I would assume that would go in both directions.) It seems to me like it's either the Ta'veren thing, or they are setting it up so that men can just sense women channeling (which is consistent with the books actually) and maybe also the strength of the channeling, even though they can't see the weaves themselves.
Yeah she was able to know complex weaves, without any training because..., writers who ignore the source material. Sigh
@@davecoz4227 This is actually very book-ish imo. Several times in the books channelers accidentally do complex weaves in intense moments.
yes! I thought the same. They have shown Moraine healing the two rivers people and then moraine being healed so if Nynave were to heal one person it wouldn't show how powerful she is. Also Daniel mentioned that Logain could have fought a bit more but i think the way it played out is plausible because he was in shock of Nynave's display, a loss in concentration would have let him open to shielding pretty easily (as Nynave did with in the class with teh Atha'an Miere). Not that I like the fact that Logain can see Saidar or the Aes Sedai seeing Saidin.
Hey Daniel! Thank you for all the time you put into your entertaining content!
I gotta say, I was actually pleasantly surprised by the first 4 episodes. I was apprehensive to watch them because I didn't want to feel tons a disappointment, but about half way into the first episode I stopped comparing it to the books and just enjoyed it for what it was.
There were only a couple things that were too big of a difference that it kind of took me out of it, but like you I loved the performances of the actors and actresses! So far they have all REALLY nailed it. Rosamund NAILED Moraine, Lan and Nynaeve's character development/relationship is spot on, Matt and Rand and Perrin's characters are SO well done. Even the Tinker's were pretty well done in my opinion--I know they are not verbatim from the book, but they really captured the SOUL of the Tuatha'an with the conversation between Ila and Egwene/Perrin.
*SPOILER*
I also get the feeling that the setup of Mattrim and Nynaeve being channelers and possibly being the Dragon Reborn is just a setup for the true reveal later, so I can let that go of that whole, "don't know if the dragon will be a boy/girl" thing.
I am having a little more difficulty letting the channeling hand motions go, but I also see how they didn't do that for Logain or Nynaeve, so what I think they are doing is setting up a feeling of channelers that don't need any crazy "assistance" of hand motions to mean they have immense power, kind of like how POWERFUL wizards in the Harry Potter franchise didn't need wands for some stuff.
I do need to disagree with one point--when Egwene and Perrin split off I really only got a feeling of a "Philia"(familial) type of love, nothing romantic, so I think there won't be any awful developments there.
Anyways, love your Vids Daniel!
I thought the final scene of the episode was fantastic! I was loving every minute of it. It hit home perfectly for me. Masterpiece ending in my opinion.
I called a family member and told her to watch it, and she had the same awesome reaction.
I’m sorry that Daniel didn’t quite like it, but I get the feeling that the vast majority of fans will love this episode. Especially the fantastic ending
From what I've been reading of these comments so far, the vast majority are in agreement with you. I don't think I understand what Daniel wants from the show. I've said in other threads, I appreciate his archival knowledge of Wheel of Time but he's got strange ideas of how to better a masterfully composed scene.
I guess you never read the books because this series is terrible
@@wuhanlabtech3580 I read the books. The novels are better, but I like the show also.
@@jamesthomas1123 you like the PC stuff added like the suggestion that a dragon reborn could be female
. It's total nonsense added for a tiny minority of activists feelings .. I knew they just couldn't do the story without adding trash for political reasons. I'll stick to the books
@@wuhanlabtech3580 I understand. But I don’t think that mystery element was added for political reasons. I have family members who have not read the books, and because they are guessing who the dragon reborn could be, it keeps them interested and watching the show. It’s a added mystery element. That’s been done in many stories. Yes, the books are better, but Changes have to be made for TV. Just wait until a certain character ends up with three wives, and then we can laugh about how politically incorrect it is lol
I disagree with your takes on the final scenes, dear Sir Goblin. I believe it actually may have saved the show's face after mediocre 3 episodes. Showrunners are trying to hide who is dragon reborn for non bookreaders and I think it works.
I definitely think they're doing a great job with the misdirection 😂 If I hadn't read the books I would probably be suspecting everyone on being the Dragon except the actual person who is the Dragon Reborn
I think in channeling, in order for people to realize what they're doing, they have to have a movement. It will be boring when they're just standing there, and people wouldn't know what happened until they see the product. The system of One Power is just so massive, they need to have a representation to a channeling/weave that's important in the story, in the series, it's linking.
Also, this is the first time they introduced linking. So the next time they see those movements, we can recognize that they're linking.
Except logain doesnt do any of that funky lame movement and his channeling has looked the best in the show
@@thereasonabletroll68 It makes sense though. The way you channel gets pretty locked in after you learn a weave. If Aes Sedai teach/learn the movements as an aid it's entirely possible that they NEED them afterwards.
The change from the books isn't that this is the case. They've just changed to what degree the Aes Sedai use movement.
Logain and Nynaeve haven't been shown to need the movements so far.
I'm thinking it's something they did to further play up the differences between future channeler "factions".
@@thereasonabletroll68 one thing I saw someone point out that in the books the aes sedai do use hand gestures to the point that it is commented that one can tell who taught you to channel by the type of gestures used. A man would not be taught, he would not have centuries of tradition dictating the use of hand motions. He would just do it. Instinct kicks in and a man just uses the power. He doesn't have a preconceived notion that motions are required to learn and we see that with nynaeve just doing it as well. No gestures just instinct.
As a Thom fanboi, after rewatching this episode, my biggest gripe is that they don't really ever show/explain how dangerous myrddraal truly are, like they do in the books, so it doesn't fully convey Thom's badassery that he can stand toe to toe with one.
That might come up when he shows up again and Morainne finds out he fought a Fade and she will explain how shocking it is that he is alive and only has a limp to show for it
Very true. Happened a bit to fast for me too. Had to watch the scene twice.