Destiny feels like some weird abusive relationship; it learns from it's mistakes temporarily, pretends to work on the underlying issues to coax money out of you and then relapses on it's problems in an endless cycle.
and we've all reached the tipping point where we're done with it's bullshit. I'm tired of a pvp sandbox that never, never, feels stable and satisfying. I'm tired of constantly rotating pve activities that feel both too easy and too annoying to keep me hooked. I'm tired of the pve sandbox having fun and interesting builds that are consistently bad or simply outperformed by more dominant choices. I quit a few months ago. I will not look back fondly at Destiny.
Left right after lightfall and let me tell you, I’ve never been happier. Leave while you can and cherish the good times for what they were. There’s a wealth of better games out there, just gotta walk away.
I’m not ready to let it go. I don’t think another game will capture my interest as much as Destiny. It came out at the perfect time of my life and it created unforgettable memories. It holds such a special place in my heart.
It will probably be a while before you find your next favorite game, I can’t speak for you but I was actually noticeably happier when I stopped playing and started playing other stuff. Instead of maining destiny, I’ve got multiple games to hop around on. rn I’m mainly playing helldivers, space marine 2, warframe and the mass effect trilogy.
I let go before Beyond Light and am very happy to have done so. I loved this game's lore with passionate storytellers, people that looked at it and knew of a universe you could exist in. I have found new worlds and stories to exist within. I've found elsewhere that the passion exists in, still. Destiny's time is over. Arguably, it has been over. I don't see anything good coming from Bungie any further either. In the words of Shin Malphur, Dredgen Vale, Nothing Ends. Your times in the game and its story and universe are all yours. They will never end. Take your anger, sadness, happiness, etc... to new worlds. They're calling, Guardians.
I remember when things were *NEW* in this world. Hell, I remember being in the recording team with you when Warden of Nothing was the strike and you recorded the mission's music manually. Recently my dad got back into the game after leaving in season 10 and had to rebuild from scratch. Seeing him react to everything new has been so much fun. I...really wish I could have that feeling again. Prismatic didn't do it for me. Not a lot has past the 30th anniversary pack. I long for something truly new, and I don't quite know if there's anything in that tank left to burn up.
41:40 this really stuck out to me in final shape. While i do like the story we got, it was so weird to me that the ships we kept seeing all those years amounted to a 60 second lightfall cutscene. Even if they were empty, I feel like their presence should have been more important instead of just fading into rainbows when the portal opened. It feels like we have more myterious pyramid fleet forshadow cutscene run time then we do Witness screen time despite the fleet itself amounting to nothing in the end
Tbh I think the ships ended up being part of the monolith, although it’s mostly made of the witness itself the monolith looks so similar to a ship and we don’t see them inside.
Literally been on the same boat with you regarding the Darkness. I've been curious since I saw this one Myelin video about the Darkness back in 2017 to find out what the Darkness is and what its gonna pull off only to find out what they showed was basically it...
having been an on-and-off player since D1 beta, destiny is probably the most influential game in my life i'll ever play. because of it, i've learned so much about the games industry, how development in general goes, and found some amazing friends along the way. despite how the game is now, i only remember the good stuff at this point. part of me wishes they stopped development after final shape, so they really could put 110% into it and go out on the highest note possible.
I wish we could spend more time with the witness such a cool concept and i am a sucker for cosmic horror. I sometimes think that destinys story is sometimes too big and grand for its own good and the form of delivery through the game does it such a disservice. I will probably stick with destiny as long as the servers stay up frontiers will drastically affect how seriously i take this game in the next year.
Hi, it's kinda strange to be here, writing a comment. I just finished watching the video. I started following you since I found out about you in 2019. From 2021 and on, I just stopped watching everything with my main account and just started being online only with Incognito mode on. Then, why am I writing this? You see, it's the first time I felt close to someone on the internet. I had a sort of glimpse of this feeling only once prior to today (I used to read your tweets), but this video was simply an epiphany. You just said what I've been thinking since day 1: the inspiration you get from the lore, the art and the music; the change in direction, the missed opportunities... everything. Hell, I, too, came to face depression during your same period. This condition, united with obsession, made carrying on so difficult. This obsession also made me stop interacting with everything on the internet with my main, due to the fear of change. But things are getting better. But the feeling you gave me today just goes beyond this video. You are an amazing thinker. I had to tell you. I don't know you personally, but I sense that you are an amazing person as well. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I hope you'll feel better soon Edit: Sorry for my writing mistakes. English isn't my first language
Really good video. As someone who had a similar interest in d2’s music and lore, I’ve really come to like project moon’s world. If you got some time I’d really recommend it. Their music isn’t deep but the lore and stories they tell are genuinely the best written media I have ever consumed.
34:45 I think this here is probably the best reason for why Staten left bungie after his story was almost or completely done. The higher ups (of bungie and Activision) constantly stuck their hands in the pot and instead of fixing concepts and reworking them they would trash them and make new ones. The same reason there is such a tonal shift in Rise of Iron to D2 Vanilla. And why i theorize they keep ignoring Rise of Iron (like in their timeline stream before Final Shape).
Thank you so much for everything you have done, before the purge I had a big ass playlist with 60+ songs from destiny mostly uploaded from you, and have been on this ride for years, even though I have called it quits since the final shape
I jumped ship after trying out the D2 beta for a few minutes, my intuition was spot on and i only came back to destiny during the last week of warmind when thinks really picked back up. I'm the saltiest about rise of iron never being prominent any more, loved the horror of reanimated iron lords and the nanomachine infestation. it's been fun listening to your videos since shadowkeep, so many downs with so few ups has been amusing.
Im going to watch this later but i just wanted to thank you, your archive videos be it dialouge or full soundtracks will forever be apriciated and respected
I know this might be a big ask but could you expand on how Savathun's actions in Lost contradicted her previous lore? It's been a bit since I brushed up on the old Savathun lore and I can't remember how Lost could have contradicted her previous motives given how vague they were beforehand. I do remember that Quiria and the Endless Night were anticlimactic though.
In Witch Queen, Bungie set up that Savathun's goal was to get the Light, which would eventually lead to a VERY half-baked plan to secure the Traveler in the High Coven and stop the Witness. The entirety of Year 4 built up to this, Lost most of all, though I don't mind it nearly as much since Splicer already did most of the damage. Prior to Beyond Light, it was more or less stated that Savathun's goal was something "beyond Light and Dark" philosophically, to not be bound by the chains of either side. This is the speech she gave to Nokris and lines up with her phrases in the Books of Sorrow, where she questioned the Sword Logic. The Dreaming City Curse was a prototype for something else, according to Toland, but we never saw where this went. Truth to Power offered an explanation, that being to find and exploit the Distributary singularity, but that went nowhere either. If we're to accept the Hidden Dossier's take on Truth to Power as admission of its true purpose, then her goal would've been to completely free herself from the bounds of this universe and live in the parent universe, which is assumed to be our world. Ultimately, it still comes down to "chains". Savathun felt the chains around her neck when it came to Darkness, but was clearly not trusting of the Light either. By letting herself die (thereby ending "her", because her new self, even with her old memories, is still a new person) and getting the Light, she chains herself to the other side. She's not free. She willingly let herself be, by her own old definition, a pawn. Savathun in Y4 onward may as well be a new character. She's practically already one as of Witch Queen.
I lost contact with the few D1 buddies i met. Since D2, I've been solo no raids beaten just the few dungeons I could solo. Aside from being a constant reminder of my loneliness in life, the most joy I'll remember about this game beating raids in D1 with my homie and being a sherpa oftentimes to whoever needed help. That Part of Destiny died long ago. No one has patience and time anymore. To most of us, it's hardly fun it's just a chore.
This is how I feel, I love the world. I love the lore. If the game is in a bad state, it still has redeeming qualities. I don't think I'll ever put it down. But I also don't no life it.
I empathize deeply with your feelings on the game overall, especially that you can have all of these deep complaints but never really say you hate the game because of what its been in your life. also. mother fucking thank you for pointing out the time travel inconsistency with Echoes and Dawn that shit made me feel crazy. Oded Fehr over here giving the most amazing acting performance that I can't enjoy because the narrative beat is founded on a really obtuse plot hole.
Dude when I started hearing "Saint is a simulation" thrown around I started losing it. How can something so clear and obvious from Dawn be so... misinterpreted? Hell the events of the story don't even really align with it. Saint's a paradox but not a simulation, and the story confirmed that, but everyone keeps saying simulation like it's true. There's no consistency within the Episode itself and it just bothers me. Had me real worried about Revenant but so far it's... actually pretty good on the narrative front. Weaker Act 2 ending but I'll take that over the constant waves of anger I felt during Echoes.
@ArchivalMind saint had MET US BEFORE EVER GOING NEAR THE INFINITE FOREST. Osiris talks about saint talking about us before either had encountered the Vex. I think they wanted a dramatic characrer paralell between o14 and maya/chioma but broke everything trying to do it and then did it poorly anyway bc the seasonal production timeframe probably sucks for writers.
I have one of your original videos for basically. Destiny 2.ShadowKeep primarily the video that is titled The Sanctified Mind Boss Fight. I have the original MP3 of the video itself if you would like me to give it to you through an e-mail.
So glad you pointed out the issues with Year 4 of D2. Savathun was really botched. She spent years assimilating Taken Vex and processing information only for all of it to be dropped.
Thanks for putting your thoughts out there on the story inconsistencies over the series. It really gave shape to why I don’t find the narrative satisfying. I’d play and think, I don’t really like this story but never think more about it. I think I stop caring about the story and the game itself because I don’t have faith things will be followed through on.
Back in early 2017, I got the demo for Destiny and loved it so much that I probably played it 30+ times before I asked if I could get it. For the majority of my time I was definitely solo w/ no friends to play with (same with D2); but in 2020, I finally decided to get a mic and do my first raid. After which I did more, made two friends, and had some of the happiest months I’ve ever had in my life, though we drifted in 2021. Destiny gave me the first friends I really ever had, and I somberly accept the fact that my time with this game is likely ending. I doubt you’ll ever read this, and I honestly don’t know much about the nuances behind the events that happened to you, although they still wrench my heart. I’m gonna end here cause this is already too long and poorly condensed. But I want you to know your days won’t always be 5 minutes to 7 centuries long. Keep getting up. Keep going. you deserve happiness. The joy this game brought to you will always be a part of you, like many other things. Eyes up, Guardian
I feel your vibe on destiny matches my own a lot. I would probably get in a big fight with you over a couple seasons here and there but by and large, appreciated actually hearing from someone who has kept up with things in a similar fashion to myself. Appreciate the video, and if there was ever a time to step back it's now. Wishing you the best in the next 10 years. This P.S. is gonna be longer than the main comment so feel free to ignore me. I get your complaints on the witness / pyramid pivot. I think what they did was fine, but all those old threads were stronger. I'm glad that the winnower has been reconfirmed so I can just daydream about that half of darkness lore. What I will say is I think final shape, specifically the Micah voice lines and when you pick up the traveller balls, really put the Traveller and it's actions / inaction to bed for me. A lot of this stuff could be inferred by various Dreams of Alpha Lupi, but I think it being presented as it was helped a lot of things click. I think the idea that the traveller just doesn't know what to do with being worshipped is a fun twist on a cosmic "god". And I think leaving the mystery hanging of what caused the schism between it and the veil, is a decent enough hook to take up many years from now (if the game survives) Sorry for the ramble!
It’s kinda doomed so many civilisations with this worshiping thing. Every race that worshiped it ended up suffering an end to the witness and the darkness. Humanity was unique in the fact we didn’t just worship it but we actually defended it.
I'm guessing Savathun gets her higher power after interrogating Ahsa and kills her so she can't be Xivus worm. Either Toland or akka get the echo and somehow oryx the navigator is involved(hopefully not as the echo). We use Akka or Ahsa as a ship into Apollo. At least that's that I'm gathering from clues. As you said they have left a lot of holes etc. Hopefully revenant and Heresy tie things up. Echoes and the vesper dungeon will have to do with Apollo and vex.
I really hope we get a wrap to send us into the next chapter of the eliksni. Destiny has motivated me to write again and possibly make something people like. Destiny has shown me pitfalls that writers can make as we create a story. With the lore we have in game its like you said we could have a lot more awesomemess. Will bungie take risks again? Will story be cohesive now? Great video. Never heard of you but you have a new subscriber.
Man my only wish was that it got more attention through more Comics, books hell Maybe even a TV show, the lore is so awesome and there are plenty of eras to focus on! But no, Pete wants to add another car to his collection ffs!
Bungie has always hated doing books/comic books about their games. Halo only had books because Microsoft forced Bungie to agree and then took care of everything themselves. It's disappointing because there could be some incredible books written about Destiny. We have the chronicle books but those are like in-game lore.
Funny enough Season of the Splicer was peak Destiny for me, although that ending definitely was disappointing. I think part of the reason for it being so good is playing with friends, especially when Vault of Glass was released. I vividly remember waking up in the morning waiting for the weekly reset to play the next mission. It's a nostalgic memory that I still have whenever I play this game. That and when I first played in 2018-19, Titan was one of my favorite destinations.
I played the original Destiny up to Vault of glass. (I never got my Vex Mythoclast) and I couldn't bare waiting a week to have a chance at getting it. Thats when I tapped out. But Ill admit. The lore once pieced together was pretty phenomenal. But it wasnt quite enough to keep me hooked. I think after Destiny I went play Eldersrolls
@@Garbigo123 I don't know. I think I'd just let the original Forsaken+ plan continue. With original D3 and whatnot. No Witness but we'd have an actual race presumably. No Shadowkeep unfortunately but Eris would probably still be there somewhere. I think the only thing I'd be iffy with was the idea of Dark Guardians that had been going around but that could be justified by the Pyramids screwing with us so that they could wipe us out quicker.
I haven't finished the whole video, but I feel like I'm listening to my own thoughts put to words here lol. It's crazy because the point that really hooked me was also the Taken King and the Books of Sorrow specifically. I mean, it made me a total Oryx fanboy to this date. He felt like a proper "end of universe" type threat that The Witness never really achieved for me although that's probably just bias talking too. The majority of talk I saw online post TFS was positive regarding the story and I just felt crazy because it didn't feel satisfying to me at all. The epiphany that came to me in that moment was that Destiny as it is can not properly cater to any of its fans. Hardcore PvP players for years have been upset with that facet the game. Hardcore PvE players find no challenge or long term objectives to strive for. And the hardcore lore nerds can't really be satiated either because the grimoire has generally always told a much more interesting, nuanced and mysterious story that I think Bungie is afraid to insert into the actual campaigns. Rather, they make them as easily digestible and understandable as they can possibly be, probably to avoid D1's Vanilla campaign again. But then again, Lightfall showed me Bungie is still capable of making terribly written stories. At least D1's campaign was a aesthetically pleasing pile of shit where as Lightfall felt like an uninspired piece of shit. I hate being so negative, but it just baffles me when I see everything this series has been through. Season of The Seraph was peak for me personally. Actually, almost every last season of any given year was always good imo. Opulence, Arrivals, Lost and Seraph were all incredible. Wish kinda broke that streak for me. It wasn't bad, but it just didn't resonate for me. Anyway, back to Seraph. That final cutscene just filled my mind with intrigued about what was to come. And that last shot of the traveler sitting above earth that mirrors the earliest promotional art we'd seen for this series just hyped me up even more. That was it though, after that was a steep drop off in interest, followed by occasional upward peaks, but mostly just indifference. I don't know how to close this. I don't hate Destiny and I imagine a lot of current and past devs would agree with a lot of the critiques that we all have about the direction of the game over the years. It's a safe bet that the more interesting ideas and concepts from over the years were only cut due to time and budget issues. I hope Bungie can take this game to new peaks still.
It pains me how much Destiny has been retconned, half-assed, rewritten, and scrapped. I used to love the whole universe, it was so mysterious and intriguing, but it’s clear there’s no passion left, it’s just a dried-up husk that Bungie continues to desperately try to milk for every last ounce of cash it has left.
I'm so confused seeing people glazing Splicer as if it had the best story they've ever seen. I felt like it actually damaged my view of other seasons' stories with the horrible writing. It had good ideas but the execution was terrible IMO. I don't get why people think it's good.
Honestly Splicer needed to be a full DLC to have worked with what they wanted to tackle. A season crams everything in and Splicer is easily where that is apparent. Eido worked well as a side character but the story was undercooked with what she provided. The lore worked semi-well except when confronted with the gameplay. Saint and Mithrax had the only solid arc, but as I said, Mithrax lost his old character traits besides the basic "want to work with humanity rather than against". A DLC could've also made the antagonist angle actually grow. Savathun could've had a more developed plot with the Endless Night, even if the actual simulation didn't further her goals besides cunning and undermining our position. It being a DLC would mean "undermining our position" would actually have had consequences besides the factions being removed. Being a DLC, it also meant the dialogue probably would've gotten another pass because dear god. Quria could've had more time, maybe setting up or even, gasp, paying off the plotlines that years 1 and 2 had set up for it. We could've also had Namrask as an actual character taking up the "Eliksni negative" side, and that could lead to making Lakshmi more believably evil as she exploits even some of the Eliksni's own regrets against their own race. Tone down the "Savathun obviously did this" -isms and crank up the slow, believable arc of a paranoid prophet with trauma try to go for power by using legitimate arguments that sway people to her side. Also have characters interact with her in-game so that we can actually see why people in this universe would be for or against this idea, especially since Ikora made a government-shattering executive decision on her own without consensus. Make it believable that Ikora and Lakshmi actually contend with the former's decision and the latter's responses so that it doesn't just look like our Warlock Vanguard did literally nothing but talk shit until the FWC opened a portal in the City. Oh, speaking of other passes, Savathun in particular could've gotten one so she wasn't a colossal idiot. Make her knowledgeable, make her actually deceitful. Her disguise between Presage and Splicer is day and night respectively. It's so weird how some seasons have drastic narrative quality differences.
Curse of Osiris’s story is the worst story in Destiny history. Yes, even vanilla D1. CoO destroyed Brother Vance as a cool character and he became a cringe fanboy, and there was lore that stated the Vex cannot time travel, they can only simulate. Thankfully that was fixed eventually, but holy hell, CoO was the absolute worst story and lore wise. One exception was how good the Saint 14 story was.
@@larswyness1901 Echoes is far worse. Ruining a character and being finicky with some lore is better than ruining an entire faction, introducing a horribly written antagonist, having worse dialogue than Warmind, and being so internally inconsistent narratively that you can barely recognize the externally inconsistent bits, of which there are many.
All I heard is some jaded burnout guy with probably 3000+ hours playtime that spits and/or diminshes 90% of the game's content and doesn't realise how good he had it. Go play barbies , Fortnite or touch some grass. NEWSFLASH, there isn't another (live-service) game franchise that managed to finish its ~10 years story arc with such care, love and a bang. You're ungrateful af for what you got. GTFO Gonna remove you from my recommendations
Final shape was just forsaken corpse reanimated to please the fans. Destiny 1-2 died with Forsaken. Cut off from infinite money from Activision killed bungie and now in the hands of sony overlords nothing good would come out of them Times have changed. Bungie should close off Destiny after final shape and start another ip. but they would milk their halo aka destiny legacy And it pains.. PAINS my heart, because during Forsaken Destiny was the king of the shooter world with GOOD GOOD lore and brilliant visuals with MW 19 level shooting systems. Now only warframe remains, because Rebecca saved them. I wish i have not played destiny 2 at all. but i still would remember it. For Cayde. TLDR. Destiny was blackrocked. ....
I’ve been playing Destiny since the first one. To say I’ve lost all love for bungie is an understatement. I hate how bungie went from a fun gaming studio to a studio that feels like a corporation trying to be a gaming studio. I’m slowly starting to not play Destiny 2 since the final shape is done but I would be lying if I didn’t say that both games have a special place in my heart and I don’t think I could ever regret the 20k hours I have (D1 and 2 combined). It’s been an awesome experience to have played through everything D1 and 2 had to offer. I feel like the place D2 is at right now would be a good time to drop this game and find another game to have fun on.
Destiny feels like some weird abusive relationship; it learns from it's mistakes temporarily, pretends to work on the underlying issues to coax money out of you and then relapses on it's problems in an endless cycle.
You have the perfect definition of this fucking game. A soul-sucking, gold-digging wench of a game.
and we've all reached the tipping point where we're done with it's bullshit. I'm tired of a pvp sandbox that never, never, feels stable and satisfying. I'm tired of constantly rotating pve activities that feel both too easy and too annoying to keep me hooked. I'm tired of the pve sandbox having fun and interesting builds that are consistently bad or simply outperformed by more dominant choices. I quit a few months ago. I will not look back fondly at Destiny.
Destiny players know this and just go back.
Left right after lightfall and let me tell you, I’ve never been happier. Leave while you can and cherish the good times for what they were.
There’s a wealth of better games out there, just gotta walk away.
I’m not ready to let it go. I don’t think another game will capture my interest as much as Destiny. It came out at the perfect time of my life and it created unforgettable memories. It holds such a special place in my heart.
@@Hardrive2677 same brother. Same.
It will probably be a while before you find your next favorite game, I can’t speak for you but I was actually noticeably happier when I stopped playing and started playing other stuff.
Instead of maining destiny, I’ve got multiple games to hop around on. rn I’m mainly playing helldivers, space marine 2, warframe and the mass effect trilogy.
Destiny Rising lol
I let go before Beyond Light and am very happy to have done so. I loved this game's lore with passionate storytellers, people that looked at it and knew of a universe you could exist in.
I have found new worlds and stories to exist within. I've found elsewhere that the passion exists in, still. Destiny's time is over. Arguably, it has been over.
I don't see anything good coming from Bungie any further either.
In the words of Shin Malphur, Dredgen Vale, Nothing Ends. Your times in the game and its story and universe are all yours. They will never end. Take your anger, sadness, happiness, etc... to new worlds.
They're calling, Guardians.
I remember when things were *NEW* in this world. Hell, I remember being in the recording team with you when Warden of Nothing was the strike and you recorded the mission's music manually. Recently my dad got back into the game after leaving in season 10 and had to rebuild from scratch. Seeing him react to everything new has been so much fun. I...really wish I could have that feeling again. Prismatic didn't do it for me. Not a lot has past the 30th anniversary pack.
I long for something truly new, and I don't quite know if there's anything in that tank left to burn up.
Destiny writing is at its best when Seth Dickinson was writing for it. I very highly recommend the Baru Cormorant series he's written.
if promethean makes a video on destiny then you know the game is in a bad state
Not entirely true. The Thoughts On series covered a release regardless of quality. This is just the last one.
game is dead
It actually is, average player base playing in steam doesn't go over 12.000 lol
@@9shebb3 It's at 21k right now. Average concurrent players for the last 30 days is 25k
@@RikiazGaming still it's a pretty low player count, the game hasn't reach these numbers since d2 curse of osiris
41:40 this really stuck out to me in final shape. While i do like the story we got, it was so weird to me that the ships we kept seeing all those years amounted to a 60 second lightfall cutscene. Even if they were empty, I feel like their presence should have been more important instead of just fading into rainbows when the portal opened. It feels like we have more myterious pyramid fleet forshadow cutscene run time then we do Witness screen time despite the fleet itself amounting to nothing in the end
Tbh I think the ships ended up being part of the monolith, although it’s mostly made of the witness itself the monolith looks so similar to a ship and we don’t see them inside.
Literally been on the same boat with you regarding the Darkness. I've been curious since I saw this one Myelin video about the Darkness back in 2017 to find out what the Darkness is and what its gonna pull off only to find out what they showed was basically it...
❤❤❤ thank you for all of your work during the time of this franchise
having been an on-and-off player since D1 beta, destiny is probably the most influential game in my life i'll ever play. because of it, i've learned so much about the games industry, how development in general goes, and found some amazing friends along the way. despite how the game is now, i only remember the good stuff at this point.
part of me wishes they stopped development after final shape, so they really could put 110% into it and go out on the highest note possible.
Destiny, the game that almost killed the Archival Mind music channel
I wish we could spend more time with the witness such a cool concept and i am a sucker for cosmic horror. I sometimes think that destinys story is sometimes too big and grand for its own good and the form of delivery through the game does it such a disservice. I will probably stick with destiny as long as the servers stay up frontiers will drastically affect how seriously i take this game in the next year.
Hi, it's kinda strange to be here, writing a comment. I just finished watching the video. I started following you since I found out about you in 2019. From 2021 and on, I just stopped watching everything with my main account and just started being online only with Incognito mode on. Then, why am I writing this? You see, it's the first time I felt close to someone on the internet. I had a sort of glimpse of this feeling only once prior to today (I used to read your tweets), but this video was simply an epiphany. You just said what I've been thinking since day 1: the inspiration you get from the lore, the art and the music; the change in direction, the missed opportunities... everything. Hell, I, too, came to face depression during your same period. This condition, united with obsession, made carrying on so difficult. This obsession also made me stop interacting with everything on the internet with my main, due to the fear of change. But things are getting better. But the feeling you gave me today just goes beyond this video. You are an amazing thinker. I had to tell you. I don't know you personally, but I sense that you are an amazing person as well. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I hope you'll feel better soon
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Sorry for my writing mistakes. English isn't my first language
Really good video. As someone who had a similar interest in d2’s music and lore, I’ve really come to like project moon’s world. If you got some time I’d really recommend it. Their music isn’t deep but the lore and stories they tell are genuinely the best written media I have ever consumed.
Project Moon sleeper agent detected
34:45 I think this here is probably the best reason for why Staten left bungie after his story was almost or completely done. The higher ups (of bungie and Activision) constantly stuck their hands in the pot and instead of fixing concepts and reworking them they would trash them and make new ones. The same reason there is such a tonal shift in Rise of Iron to D2 Vanilla. And why i theorize they keep ignoring Rise of Iron (like in their timeline stream before Final Shape).
Thank you so much for everything you have done, before the purge I had a big ass playlist with 60+ songs from destiny mostly uploaded from you, and have been on this ride for years, even though I have called it quits since the final shape
I jumped ship after trying out the D2 beta for a few minutes, my intuition was spot on and i only came back to destiny during the last week of warmind when thinks really picked back up. I'm the saltiest about rise of iron never being prominent any more, loved the horror of reanimated iron lords and the nanomachine infestation. it's been fun listening to your videos since shadowkeep, so many downs with so few ups has been amusing.
Im going to watch this later but i just wanted to thank you, your archive videos be it dialouge or full soundtracks will forever be apriciated and respected
Did anyone else feel like the dark future lore book was written really poorly? It felt like a fan was asked to write it
I know this might be a big ask but could you expand on how Savathun's actions in Lost contradicted her previous lore? It's been a bit since I brushed up on the old Savathun lore and I can't remember how Lost could have contradicted her previous motives given how vague they were beforehand. I do remember that Quiria and the Endless Night were anticlimactic though.
In Witch Queen, Bungie set up that Savathun's goal was to get the Light, which would eventually lead to a VERY half-baked plan to secure the Traveler in the High Coven and stop the Witness. The entirety of Year 4 built up to this, Lost most of all, though I don't mind it nearly as much since Splicer already did most of the damage. Prior to Beyond Light, it was more or less stated that Savathun's goal was something "beyond Light and Dark" philosophically, to not be bound by the chains of either side. This is the speech she gave to Nokris and lines up with her phrases in the Books of Sorrow, where she questioned the Sword Logic. The Dreaming City Curse was a prototype for something else, according to Toland, but we never saw where this went. Truth to Power offered an explanation, that being to find and exploit the Distributary singularity, but that went nowhere either. If we're to accept the Hidden Dossier's take on Truth to Power as admission of its true purpose, then her goal would've been to completely free herself from the bounds of this universe and live in the parent universe, which is assumed to be our world.
Ultimately, it still comes down to "chains". Savathun felt the chains around her neck when it came to Darkness, but was clearly not trusting of the Light either. By letting herself die (thereby ending "her", because her new self, even with her old memories, is still a new person) and getting the Light, she chains herself to the other side. She's not free. She willingly let herself be, by her own old definition, a pawn. Savathun in Y4 onward may as well be a new character. She's practically already one as of Witch Queen.
I lost contact with the few D1 buddies i met. Since D2, I've been solo no raids beaten just the few dungeons I could solo. Aside from being a constant reminder of my loneliness in life, the most joy I'll remember about this game beating raids in D1 with my homie and being a sherpa oftentimes to whoever needed help. That Part of Destiny died long ago. No one has patience and time anymore. To most of us, it's hardly fun it's just a chore.
I still play it. It's pretty rad despite it's many, MANY flaws.
This is how I feel, I love the world. I love the lore. If the game is in a bad state, it still has redeeming qualities. I don't think I'll ever put it down. But I also don't no life it.
I empathize deeply with your feelings on the game overall, especially that you can have all of these deep complaints but never really say you hate the game because of what its been in your life.
also. mother fucking thank you for pointing out the time travel inconsistency with Echoes and Dawn that shit made me feel crazy. Oded Fehr over here giving the most amazing acting performance that I can't enjoy because the narrative beat is founded on a really obtuse plot hole.
Dude when I started hearing "Saint is a simulation" thrown around I started losing it. How can something so clear and obvious from Dawn be so... misinterpreted? Hell the events of the story don't even really align with it. Saint's a paradox but not a simulation, and the story confirmed that, but everyone keeps saying simulation like it's true. There's no consistency within the Episode itself and it just bothers me. Had me real worried about Revenant but so far it's... actually pretty good on the narrative front. Weaker Act 2 ending but I'll take that over the constant waves of anger I felt during Echoes.
@ArchivalMind saint had MET US BEFORE EVER GOING NEAR THE INFINITE FOREST. Osiris talks about saint talking about us before either had encountered the Vex. I think they wanted a dramatic characrer paralell between o14 and maya/chioma but broke everything trying to do it and then did it poorly anyway bc the seasonal production timeframe probably sucks for writers.
I have one of your original videos for basically. Destiny 2.ShadowKeep primarily the video that is titled The Sanctified Mind Boss Fight. I have the original MP3 of the video itself if you would like me to give it to you through an e-mail.
So glad you pointed out the issues with Year 4 of D2. Savathun was really botched. She spent years assimilating Taken Vex and processing information only for all of it to be dropped.
Thanks for putting your thoughts out there on the story inconsistencies over the series. It really gave shape to why I don’t find the narrative satisfying. I’d play and think, I don’t really like this story but never think more about it. I think I stop caring about the story and the game itself because I don’t have faith things will be followed through on.
Back in early 2017, I got the demo for Destiny and loved it so much that I probably played it 30+ times before I asked if I could get it. For the majority of my time I was definitely solo w/ no friends to play with (same with D2); but in 2020, I finally decided to get a mic and do my first raid. After which I did more, made two friends, and had some of the happiest months I’ve ever had in my life, though we drifted in 2021.
Destiny gave me the first friends I really ever had, and I somberly accept the fact that my time with this game is likely ending.
I doubt you’ll ever read this, and I honestly don’t know much about the nuances behind the events that happened to you, although they still wrench my heart.
I’m gonna end here cause this is already too long and poorly condensed. But I want you to know your days won’t always be 5 minutes to 7 centuries long. Keep getting up. Keep going. you deserve happiness. The joy this game brought to you will always be a part of you, like many other things.
Eyes up, Guardian
I'm done with Destiny 2.
Okay zoomer lol
I am thinking of quitting as well. Every new content is filled with bugs now.
I feel your vibe on destiny matches my own a lot. I would probably get in a big fight with you over a couple seasons here and there but by and large, appreciated actually hearing from someone who has kept up with things in a similar fashion to myself. Appreciate the video, and if there was ever a time to step back it's now. Wishing you the best in the next 10 years.
This P.S. is gonna be longer than the main comment so feel free to ignore me. I get your complaints on the witness / pyramid pivot. I think what they did was fine, but all those old threads were stronger. I'm glad that the winnower has been reconfirmed so I can just daydream about that half of darkness lore. What I will say is I think final shape, specifically the Micah voice lines and when you pick up the traveller balls, really put the Traveller and it's actions / inaction to bed for me. A lot of this stuff could be inferred by various Dreams of Alpha Lupi, but I think it being presented as it was helped a lot of things click. I think the idea that the traveller just doesn't know what to do with being worshipped is a fun twist on a cosmic "god". And I think leaving the mystery hanging of what caused the schism between it and the veil, is a decent enough hook to take up many years from now (if the game survives)
Sorry for the ramble!
It’s kinda doomed so many civilisations with this worshiping thing. Every race that worshiped it ended up suffering an end to the witness and the darkness. Humanity was unique in the fact we didn’t just worship it but we actually defended it.
I'm guessing Savathun gets her higher power after interrogating Ahsa and kills her so she can't be Xivus worm. Either Toland or akka get the echo and somehow oryx the navigator is involved(hopefully not as the echo). We use Akka or Ahsa as a ship into Apollo. At least that's that I'm gathering from clues. As you said they have left a lot of holes etc. Hopefully revenant and Heresy tie things up. Echoes and the vesper dungeon will have to do with Apollo and vex.
I really hope we get a wrap to send us into the next chapter of the eliksni.
Destiny has motivated me to write again and possibly make something people like. Destiny has shown me pitfalls that writers can make as we create a story. With the lore we have in game its like you said we could have a lot more awesomemess. Will bungie take risks again? Will story be cohesive now?
Great video. Never heard of you but you have a new subscriber.
Man my only wish was that it got more attention through more Comics, books hell
Maybe even a TV show, the lore is so awesome and there are plenty of eras to focus on!
But no, Pete wants to add another car to his collection ffs!
Bungie has always hated doing books/comic books about their games. Halo only had books because Microsoft forced Bungie to agree and then took care of everything themselves.
It's disappointing because there could be some incredible books written about Destiny. We have the chronicle books but those are like in-game lore.
I love this video.
also destiny 2's downfall can be mostly blamed on the bootlicker fans who defended the content vault
Funny enough Season of the Splicer was peak Destiny for me, although that ending definitely was disappointing. I think part of the reason for it being so good is playing with friends, especially when Vault of Glass was released. I vividly remember waking up in the morning waiting for the weekly reset to play the next mission. It's a nostalgic memory that I still have whenever I play this game. That and when I first played in 2018-19, Titan was one of my favorite destinations.
Same, that was the last time my entire group still played together
26:55 I’m a big fan is season of the deep 🌊
I played the original Destiny up to Vault of glass. (I never got my Vex Mythoclast) and I couldn't bare waiting a week to have a chance at getting it. Thats when I tapped out. But Ill admit. The lore once pieced together was pretty phenomenal. But it wasnt quite enough to keep me hooked. I think after Destiny I went play Eldersrolls
if you had the time and resoruces, would you do a destiny rewrite?
@@Garbigo123 I don't know. I think I'd just let the original Forsaken+ plan continue. With original D3 and whatnot. No Witness but we'd have an actual race presumably. No Shadowkeep unfortunately but Eris would probably still be there somewhere. I think the only thing I'd be iffy with was the idea of Dark Guardians that had been going around but that could be justified by the Pyramids screwing with us so that they could wipe us out quicker.
It’s here
I haven't finished the whole video, but I feel like I'm listening to my own thoughts put to words here lol. It's crazy because the point that really hooked me was also the Taken King and the Books of Sorrow specifically. I mean, it made me a total Oryx fanboy to this date. He felt like a proper "end of universe" type threat that The Witness never really achieved for me although that's probably just bias talking too. The majority of talk I saw online post TFS was positive regarding the story and I just felt crazy because it didn't feel satisfying to me at all. The epiphany that came to me in that moment was that Destiny as it is can not properly cater to any of its fans. Hardcore PvP players for years have been upset with that facet the game. Hardcore PvE players find no challenge or long term objectives to strive for. And the hardcore lore nerds can't really be satiated either because the grimoire has generally always told a much more interesting, nuanced and mysterious story that I think Bungie is afraid to insert into the actual campaigns. Rather, they make them as easily digestible and understandable as they can possibly be, probably to avoid D1's Vanilla campaign again. But then again, Lightfall showed me Bungie is still capable of making terribly written stories. At least D1's campaign was a aesthetically pleasing pile of shit where as Lightfall felt like an uninspired piece of shit. I hate being so negative, but it just baffles me when I see everything this series has been through.
Season of The Seraph was peak for me personally. Actually, almost every last season of any given year was always good imo. Opulence, Arrivals, Lost and Seraph were all incredible. Wish kinda broke that streak for me. It wasn't bad, but it just didn't resonate for me. Anyway, back to Seraph. That final cutscene just filled my mind with intrigued about what was to come. And that last shot of the traveler sitting above earth that mirrors the earliest promotional art we'd seen for this series just hyped me up even more. That was it though, after that was a steep drop off in interest, followed by occasional upward peaks, but mostly just indifference.
I don't know how to close this. I don't hate Destiny and I imagine a lot of current and past devs would agree with a lot of the critiques that we all have about the direction of the game over the years. It's a safe bet that the more interesting ideas and concepts from over the years were only cut due to time and budget issues. I hope Bungie can take this game to new peaks still.
It pains me how much Destiny has been retconned, half-assed, rewritten, and scrapped. I used to love the whole universe, it was so mysterious and intriguing, but it’s clear there’s no passion left, it’s just a dried-up husk that Bungie continues to desperately try to milk for every last ounce of cash it has left.
12:52 lol savathun getting nuked
46:12 ts too mf funny
YES, SOMEBODY FUCKING SAID IT ABOUT SPLICER! I HATE THAT SEASON SO MUCH!!
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Most of your comments are pretty negative about every single season and dlc. I'm pretty surprised you played for all 10 years...
Liked the universe. By the time it started falling over I was in too deep and there were still some things I wanted to see to their conclusion.
47 minutes is insane 😭
I'm so confused seeing people glazing Splicer as if it had the best story they've ever seen.
I felt like it actually damaged my view of other seasons' stories with the horrible writing. It had good ideas but the execution was terrible IMO.
I don't get why people think it's good.
Honestly Splicer needed to be a full DLC to have worked with what they wanted to tackle. A season crams everything in and Splicer is easily where that is apparent. Eido worked well as a side character but the story was undercooked with what she provided. The lore worked semi-well except when confronted with the gameplay. Saint and Mithrax had the only solid arc, but as I said, Mithrax lost his old character traits besides the basic "want to work with humanity rather than against".
A DLC could've also made the antagonist angle actually grow. Savathun could've had a more developed plot with the Endless Night, even if the actual simulation didn't further her goals besides cunning and undermining our position. It being a DLC would mean "undermining our position" would actually have had consequences besides the factions being removed. Being a DLC, it also meant the dialogue probably would've gotten another pass because dear god. Quria could've had more time, maybe setting up or even, gasp, paying off the plotlines that years 1 and 2 had set up for it.
We could've also had Namrask as an actual character taking up the "Eliksni negative" side, and that could lead to making Lakshmi more believably evil as she exploits even some of the Eliksni's own regrets against their own race. Tone down the "Savathun obviously did this" -isms and crank up the slow, believable arc of a paranoid prophet with trauma try to go for power by using legitimate arguments that sway people to her side. Also have characters interact with her in-game so that we can actually see why people in this universe would be for or against this idea, especially since Ikora made a government-shattering executive decision on her own without consensus. Make it believable that Ikora and Lakshmi actually contend with the former's decision and the latter's responses so that it doesn't just look like our Warlock Vanguard did literally nothing but talk shit until the FWC opened a portal in the City.
Oh, speaking of other passes, Savathun in particular could've gotten one so she wasn't a colossal idiot. Make her knowledgeable, make her actually deceitful. Her disguise between Presage and Splicer is day and night respectively. It's so weird how some seasons have drastic narrative quality differences.
Woah
oh man...
thats nice, see you next week nerd
You mean today? Yeah. Never said I was quitting.
honestly you're better off playing indie games over destiny.
especially with some BANGERS like deltarune and silksong coming
Curse of Osiris’s story is the worst story in Destiny history. Yes, even vanilla D1. CoO destroyed Brother Vance as a cool character and he became a cringe fanboy, and there was lore that stated the Vex cannot time travel, they can only simulate. Thankfully that was fixed eventually, but holy hell, CoO was the absolute worst story and lore wise.
One exception was how good the Saint 14 story was.
@@larswyness1901 Echoes is far worse. Ruining a character and being finicky with some lore is better than ruining an entire faction, introducing a horribly written antagonist, having worse dialogue than Warmind, and being so internally inconsistent narratively that you can barely recognize the externally inconsistent bits, of which there are many.
All I heard is some jaded burnout guy with probably 3000+ hours playtime that spits and/or diminshes 90% of the game's content and doesn't realise how good he had it. Go play barbies , Fortnite or touch some grass.
NEWSFLASH, there isn't another (live-service) game franchise that managed to finish its ~10 years story arc with such care, love and a bang. You're ungrateful af for what you got. GTFO
Gonna remove you from my recommendations
Ew fortnite
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Final shape was just forsaken corpse reanimated to please the fans.
Destiny 1-2 died with Forsaken. Cut off from infinite money from Activision killed bungie and now in the hands of sony overlords nothing good would come out of them
Times have changed.
Bungie should close off Destiny after final shape and start another ip.
but they would milk their halo aka destiny legacy
And it pains.. PAINS my heart, because during Forsaken Destiny was the king of the shooter world with GOOD GOOD lore and brilliant visuals with MW 19 level shooting systems.
Now only warframe remains, because Rebecca saved them.
I wish i have not played destiny 2 at all. but i still would remember it.
For Cayde.
TLDR. Destiny was blackrocked.
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Warframe is fine but the gunplay is kinda garbage. D2 still has the best gunplay in the industry, no game even comes close whatsoever.
@ warframe is not about gunplay, but about the flow and melee.
Oh nooooo
Anyways
shut up dude. you're not bringing anything new to the table, buddy. Let promethean have his video.
Yeah whatever bud see you next reset.
Someone didn't watch the video ig. I explicitly state it's not a quitting video.
45:23 he literally say it isn't a D2 Quitting video. He just said he is done investing in the game, and the story.
@@idkwhatmynameis516 Even if it _was_ a quitting video, these comments like “see you next reset” are so friggin' annoying and overdone....
I’ve been playing Destiny since the first one. To say I’ve lost all love for bungie is an understatement. I hate how bungie went from a fun gaming studio to a studio that feels like a corporation trying to be a gaming studio. I’m slowly starting to not play Destiny 2 since the final shape is done but I would be lying if I didn’t say that both games have a special place in my heart and I don’t think I could ever regret the 20k hours I have (D1 and 2 combined). It’s been an awesome experience to have played through everything D1 and 2 had to offer. I feel like the place D2 is at right now would be a good time to drop this game and find another game to have fun on.