Chemical warfare guinea pigs: The servicemen who volunteered to be poisoned

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  • Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
  • In 1983, a 19-year-old signaller stepped into a chamber at the MOD's 'chemical defence establishment' at Porton Down.
    For 30 minutes he walked around in circles to the beat of a metronome while sarin gas was pumped through vents in the room.
    That young signaller was Ian Foulkes.
    Ian was part of a research effort that ran for more than half a century - it was known as the Human Volunteers Programme.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 74

  • @Twirlyhead
    @Twirlyhead Місяць тому +57

    This gentleman is lucky he was told anything as a policy of his time there. My dad did National Service circa 1948 and told me of tests that were performed on them "common cold research". They were told nothing else either before, during or afterwards.

    • @brettedwards2864
      @brettedwards2864 Місяць тому +8

      That's likely correct. There was a review of the programme in the 2000s and it's clear that the extent and type of consent varied a lot though the life of the programme . In the early years the norm appears to have been to have given very limited information.

  • @rorybrown9750
    @rorybrown9750 Місяць тому +31

    I was in the Guards in the seventies and I remember them asking for volunteers, which I think were a fairly permanent feature on part one ( or two orders ). I remember thinking how crazy do to have to be to put your hand up for this!.

  • @nobodyisbest
    @nobodyisbest Місяць тому +33

    I am amazed at how Forces News is editorially independent and sometimes quite critical of the MoD. This is unimaginable in most countries, even Continental European countries. Britain is very clearly leading the world in terms of freedom of the press!

    • @meme4one
      @meme4one Місяць тому +7

      @@nobodyisbest only of past events. Nothing current or impactful.

    • @wil895
      @wil895 Місяць тому

      It's called being Woke. You Got that?

  • @donxz2555
    @donxz2555 Місяць тому +20

    You routinely saw notices seeking volunteers for Bio - Chemical warfare agents testing
    Allegedly you were compensated depending on where the agent was placed on the body and the type of agent
    I was looking at volunteering but ‘warned off’ by a colleague who had volunteered previously
    Many were not briefed fully and indeed some died

  • @moseswragg2701
    @moseswragg2701 Місяць тому +19

    Brave man. Thank you.

  • @MrDeancoote
    @MrDeancoote Місяць тому +15

    Was there for many weeks, loved it ,, extra money , great food and a pub that was walking distance from the accommodation block.

    • @meme4one
      @meme4one Місяць тому +11

      Anything for an easy to get to pub 🤣

    • @MrDeancoote
      @MrDeancoote Місяць тому +2

      @@meme4one 😂

  • @MrCardinal1965
    @MrCardinal1965 Місяць тому +5

    Often saw this on part 2 orders and they could have offered me a king’s ransom, but no way was I ever going to volunteer for this.

  • @meme4one
    @meme4one Місяць тому +11

    1:20 only a Brit will joke about being a nerve agent Guinea pig.

  • @windy33a
    @windy33a Місяць тому +10

    I was young and stupid when I did NAPS trials in the '80's hence Gulf War syndrome without going to gulf war one

  • @carabus0354
    @carabus0354 Місяць тому +2

    Very interesting report. Thank you to all these brave people.

  • @theo847sqn
    @theo847sqn Місяць тому +3

    Been Porton Down twice, one was EYES were they simulated the nerve agent with colour filters
    An one was sleep deprivation for 40 hours
    Easy money (extra pay)
    Plus break from the base with no loss of leave

  • @nobby3542
    @nobby3542 Місяць тому +11

    I had a friend that regulaly volunteered for this.
    Mick was know to us all as "The ugliest man in NATO".Whenever he needed extra money, he would disappear to carry out testing.
    Unfortunately, Mick is no longer with us.😢 Not due to the testing.
    RIP Mick Ellis.
    See you at the Final RV.👍👍🫡🫡

    • @MootingInsanity
      @MootingInsanity Місяць тому +3

      Tell us more of Mick.

    • @nobby3542
      @nobby3542 Місяць тому

      @@MootingInsanity Mick Ellis was a Vehicle Electrician like myself. We were attached to 1st Battalion The Black Watch and 1st Battalion The Royal Scots in Werl, Germany.
      Mick was a brilliant VE. He was in B Company fitter section and I was Fire Support fitter section.
      Mick could drink to sink a battleship!
      One of the most honourable and friendly guys you could ever meet!👍😁
      As I say, he would volunteer to go to Porton Down whenever he was skint!
      Saw some hideous pictures of when he had blister agent put on him. Thing was, it didn't make him look any more hideous than he looked normally!🤣🤣🤣
      With us normally being posted around every 3 years, I lost touch with him.
      It was only a few years ago, that I met up with another colleague that served with us and he told me that Mick had been found deceased in his bunk one morning. He thought it was drink related, but wasn't entirely sure.
      RIP Mick Ellis. Your stag is done.
      Till the Final RV.👍👍🫡🫡

  • @demobbed688
    @demobbed688 Місяць тому +3

    During the late 90s whilst on a large ex on the plain we were having a maint day when the vans from Porton Down turned up. They asked for volunteers to undergo trials for an extra day's pay. No takers so several lads were voluntold. Luckily I wasn't one of them.

  • @AnonAnonAnon
    @AnonAnonAnon Місяць тому

    My (non) experience of Porton Down. Advertised on unit orders in the 1980s, request for volunteers for work at Porton Down which included special pay. Anything to get out of daily routine within the regiment, loads of us went to the admin office to sign up! We had one lad who took part in experiments years beforehand within the regiment, and he told us about what happened to him. He was asked to place his bare arm into a glass chamber and he was swabbed with something. The swabbed area started to blister and he could feel incredible pain, and then the area was swabbed with a cream, and his skin returned to normal. His health after that was never the same, he was always prone to infections. My application to take part was withdrawn!

  • @johnnydiamondsmusic1673
    @johnnydiamondsmusic1673 Місяць тому +1

    My Dad told me he did his Advanced NBC instruction course there. They put a drop of live blister agent on the back of his hand. Would have been early 60s I think.

  • @johnnunn8688
    @johnnunn8688 Місяць тому +4

    We would get notified in Station Routine Orders, asking for volunteers to test for the common cold but were told (by people that had been previously to Porton) that it was for nerve agents and the like.

    • @scroggins100
      @scroggins100 Місяць тому +3

      Yep mate, I remember that. Thank God I never fell for it..

    • @johnnunn8688
      @johnnunn8688 Місяць тому +1

      @@scroggins100 I thought about it but not too long.

  • @jojonas5463
    @jojonas5463 Місяць тому +1

    As soon you write _"human experiments"_ on a official paper - you better stop any thing you're doing

  • @EmperorNO1
    @EmperorNO1 Місяць тому +1

    I ask myself how many were unknowingly tested in the west but especially in the east and still today in china

  • @peterjones-b5b
    @peterjones-b5b Місяць тому +1

    I was at Larkhill in the eighties and appeals for volunteers at porton down regulary came up on the orders board ... we just used to laugh and walk away shaking our heads and saying ' how stupid do they think we are ? ' .. or words to that effect .. I did end up doing a weeks site guard at winterbourne gunner though ... only on the outside of the restricted arears though ..

  • @BoerChris
    @BoerChris Місяць тому +1

    No way would I have signed up for this!

  • @peterwait641
    @peterwait641 Місяць тому +3

    There was a advert in 1984-5 for double pay and some holiday if you volunteered . No one was daft enough ,word was it was not cold research. knew a hippy who was able to function on LSD with regular use.

    • @ianfoulkes2114
      @ianfoulkes2114 Місяць тому +2

      Double pay and holiday was not an incentive used during the Nerve Agent trials. It's up there with "well you signed the indemnity form" allowing them to do what they did...

  • @lankinator.
    @lankinator. Місяць тому +3

    What's the story of the outfit at 06:55 ?

    • @brettedwards2864
      @brettedwards2864 Місяць тому +1

      This is was part of the trials on the Porton range I think. I assume to measure dispersion of an agent. Let me see if I can dig up the source.

  • @Twirlyhead
    @Twirlyhead Місяць тому +4

    LSD's long lasting and very real after effects aside, the man climbing the tree could easily have died and should have been immediately stopped.

  • @mgtowsoldier8673
    @mgtowsoldier8673 Місяць тому +9

    A volunteer is a man who did not understand the question...

    • @johnnunn8688
      @johnnunn8688 Місяць тому +7

      I don’t agree, I volunteered for loads of stuff and had a great time. Depends what one volunteers for.

    • @mgtowsoldier8673
      @mgtowsoldier8673 Місяць тому +3

      @@johnnunn8688 I Voluntold for 2 xNI, 1x Gulf 1 x Bosnia 1xKosovo....and didn't have a great time....Depends on what one is voluntold for...

  • @grahamallen1970
    @grahamallen1970 Місяць тому +1

    At 0.46s thought video was going to another type of vid😮!

    • @jojonas5463
      @jojonas5463 Місяць тому

      _He liked that for sure_

  • @mcshea415
    @mcshea415 Місяць тому +1

    Like Orange agent in Gagetown CFB in New Brunswick, Canada...

  • @CDNR711
    @CDNR711 Місяць тому +1

    Look at DRES in Canada

  • @deangoddard821
    @deangoddard821 Місяць тому +2

    Kids these days! This is a recruiting opportunity 😆

  • @bradleymilton9372
    @bradleymilton9372 Місяць тому

    Never heard of this

  • @BigMakBattleBlog
    @BigMakBattleBlog Місяць тому

    We killed national service men in the early 50s in tests fro. what my grandad told me. He wqs national service in korea

  • @cannack
    @cannack 27 днів тому

    if they told me, you will be given lsd/shrooms & you get to play with dummy grenades, I'd sign up in a heartbeat
    *IV sarin?* you`d have me smoking crack before I'd try that

  • @georgegeorgakopoulos5956
    @georgegeorgakopoulos5956 Місяць тому +1

    In forces news We Trust

  • @harrisonrawlinson5650
    @harrisonrawlinson5650 Місяць тому +4

    France was the first country to use chemical weapons in the First World War, not Germany

    • @lankinator.
      @lankinator. Місяць тому +5

      Tear gas, yes. But Germany were the first to use posion gas

    • @harrisonrawlinson5650
      @harrisonrawlinson5650 Місяць тому +1

      @@lankinator. yes, but tear gas is still a chemical weapon

  • @HRHooChicken
    @HRHooChicken Місяць тому +3

    Seeking compensation? Bro you volunteered to sniff Sarin 😂

  • @andysykes4328
    @andysykes4328 Місяць тому

    This was a totally volunteer program with extra pay, medal?? I know guys with combat injuries that do not qualify for compensation. He states he was given multiple offers to bail out. Fetish collection in the loft and a Legend in is own lifetime.

  • @defeatSpace
    @defeatSpace Місяць тому

    The Marines do this to recruits 😆

  • @johnnunn8688
    @johnnunn8688 Місяць тому +1

    Why are they showing Yank troops?

    • @brettedwards2864
      @brettedwards2864 Місяць тому +2

      Because of the IWM copyright on much of the UK materials. There is footage, but it's costly to use

  • @bestbehave
    @bestbehave Місяць тому +2

    Shame on you Forces News. These people, often little more than kids, were not fully informed into what they were being exposed to. This is washing the disgusting tretment of serving soldiers, many of whom inevitably suffered long lasting, often debilitating, aftereffects.
    Framing the cynical abuse of young men as some kind of heroic endeavor. Shame on you.

  • @panama-canada
    @panama-canada Місяць тому +2

    It seems he’s getting off of this.

  • @BRAVO0NETV
    @BRAVO0NETV Місяць тому +3

    Crazy to think that this video doesn't violate UA-cam policy. But Donut Operator can't even make a Shooting Breakdown.

    • @burner8959
      @burner8959 Місяць тому +5

      Your clue might be in the channels' differing names.

    • @pepperroni6252
      @pepperroni6252 Місяць тому +6

      Why should this violate policy

    • @user-yv8ii8og2e
      @user-yv8ii8og2e Місяць тому

      @@pepperroni6252UA-cam have very sharp policies on "Drug use" So surprisingly it hasn't been taken down

  • @stuatherton1459
    @stuatherton1459 Місяць тому +1

    They were used as an alternative to ROP’s when my regiment was stationed in Tidworth give me an arm full of anthrax over a weeks 6 n 10 any day of the week 😂

  • @glennj6465
    @glennj6465 Місяць тому +1

    Wow 😯 Well done to all who participated 🫡 First is definitely the scariest part 😳😱

  • @Stanly-Stud
    @Stanly-Stud Місяць тому +6

    I only knew one idiot who wanted to volunteer for that...we talked him out of it.
    He wasn't a bright lad 😂