Is it possible to OC a RX 7900 XT up to a 4080?
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- Опубліковано 31 сер 2023
- The RX 7900 XT could be the best entry level 4k GPU given the recent price reductions. When comparing the power scaling data of this GPU to the 4080 and 4070 Ti, this GPU should perform closer to a 4080. However, it is mostly compared to the 4070 Ti. Is it possible to OC a RX 7900 XT up to a 4080?
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If the 7900 XT was correctly named and priced, (7800 XT 670$)
It would've been a top seller.
Even at $750 it would have sold well, $900 was just delusional on AMD's part
@@asdf_asdf948 They should have killed the XTX naming. 7900 XT at 999 and 7800 XT at 799 - that makes more sense, the pricing is reasonable for the current market conditions, would have had more positive reception - leadership needs some guidance, they shoot themselves in the foot. Then release the 7800 XT as the 7700 XT, kill the rest of the 7000 series and use the RDNA2 stock for the rest and initially launch with FSR3 with better performance on RDNA 3 as a way to have a value add on RDNA3 vs 2
$670 for a 20GB VRAM card as fast as an RTX 3090 and faster than an $800 4070ti? LOL this guy want's everything for free. The MSRP of the 6800XT was $650 3 full years ago. Now today that would be $750 if only there was a card for $750 out there that was 35% - 45% faster than the 6800XT? Oh ya! The 7900XT. Only the name was wrong. Well the price for the first 6 weeks too but that has corrected.
@@F1neW1ne I mean no one bought it at 800-900, so they needed to lower the price. Especially with the super series and subsequent price drops for the non super nvidia cards.
@@Jsanon00 Super series is out? Current price is $780 with a game included for 7900XT so I guess $750 is kinda the benchmark price for this card now. Still a better purchase IMO than a 4070ti. If they come out with 16GB version of 4070ti, AMD will need to drop the price to compensate. When you are second in the market and need more share you have to be cheaper.
Yet another excellent video providing a different yet eye opening perspective compared to everyone else!
This would have sold like hot cakes at 649 if it was named 7800XT and even the XTX would have sold like hot cakes at 899 with a 7900XT name.
Unfortunately, as you discussed in previous videos, there seems to be some sort of agreement between the companies.
$649 for a 20GB card I think is asking too much. $699.00 would have definately been a clean sweep for AMD. They would have been the most sought after card in the market hands down.
Nice work, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Great work ! Thanks
Thank you too!
What were your specific overclock/undervolt/power limit settings?
I don't know what his settings were, but I'm running a Sapphire Pulse RX 7900 XT GPU at Clock Min 2800, Max 3500, Voltage 1100, VRAM set to Fast Memory with 2750 mHz Clock, Fans at 75%, Power at Max + 15%. It has been very stable with no reset from AMD's Adrenaline Software. Give that a try, run the stress test in Adrenaline and a few games to see if that helps and your system is stable. GPU will automatically revert to stock settings if you have a crash. Undervolt saves a little power and heat and you should see very solid performance increase
Can't wait for part 2 😁
Mine is a hellhound, and I didn't get a golden sample.
I gave mine a modest 2650 mem, and 2750locked core.
1050 mv, 15+ limit.
Never have any issues at all, and I get a nice performance boost just from that.
Hi, are you still making the next part?
Damn you are lucky. They are still $750 at my local Microcenter with no open box deals.
do a video on maxing Vram usage with certain apps
Hi, im really happy with my 7900XT reference model. Its the only high end current gen card that can fit in my ITX chassis.
I was a Nvidia user, i switched because of the 12pwr the nvidia pricing for this generation.
My driver and performance are surprisingly good, even with RT enable.
However, i miss the efficient of the nvidia cards in small ITX chassis.
I did the same, for the same reasons, and 699€ was an offer I could not walk away from.
We, ITX lovers, are often overlooked when it comes to powerfull machines, and yet we are already paying a premium for PSU, Motherboards and cooling devices, so it doesn't come cheap!
The reference models are the perfect match for the ITX case and SFF enthusiasts.
4:39 we need to see the 7800XT in there also the 7900 XTX and the RTX 40 or 30 that you have. 3dmark is become much more of a synthetic benchmark of reference, because at least we know code and drivers ar 100% optimized for achieving maximum result possible... while in games patches and drivers and setting cpu dependency etc... may distort results or affect them unavoidably
Are the Radeon cards still terrible for Blender?
Spoiler alert, an overclocked 7900 xt does beat a 4080.
My sapphire nitro 7900 xt with 400+w power limit at 3250mhz max clock, 2800mhz memory, and 990mv voltage gets between 16-25% more perf than a stock reference 7900 xt depending of the game.
Clock speed are between 3,0ghz worst case on the more demanding games at native 1440p, and can scale up to 3,2ghz ingame depending on the games. Newer games using UE5 or amd optimised games (the last of us, starfield etc) tend to boost closer to 3,1-3,2ghz ingame.
The 7900xt is an underrated beast with ample vram, bandwidth for days (900gbs in my case) and a tonne of computing power (68 TFLOPS with my settings).
And the best part is that RT performance scales even better the futher you push core and memory clock speed with an average of 20+% gains in RT games.
Sure you're getting 4080 performance however you have the best possible revision of 7900xt available which is also $200 more than a standard 7900xt. you basically paid for a 4080, so I don't see your point.
I heard this specific card has a lot of coil whine. Can you confirm? I know it’s kind of a lottery.
7900XT is now a great high end card with 630euro for used in poland. Also very cheap used Intel i5 12400f is satisfactory for pair. This give us more many for bigger/better res. screen.
I purchased one at full price but to be fair, at the time, because demand was high for the xtx model, it was note 100 but above 300 more than the xt model. This made the xt model far more appealing.
Everyone assumes the demand was high, but we know nothing of supply. I didn't watch stock levels back then as the performance letdown overshadowed my desire to buy. I do know it took until March until the XTX was in the AMD store consistently and available. An interesting survey would be to understand how many people, like yourself, purchased the XT simply because the XTX was not available. In any case, the 7900xt is still the best entry level 4k gpu this generation.
My top Time Spy Extreme graphics score on the 7900xt was just over 15000. 970 mvs, 2810 MHz VRAM. This was last December. Out of the Box spent no time tunning it to show it's capabilities despite it's new architecture. Shameful frankly. Ancient Game Plays produces more honest comparisons. With both the XTX and XT properly tuned the XTX is 14% faster. When the testing on older CPUs at 4K the 4080 takes a big performance hit compared to the XT. I don't know why AMD has the voltage set so high on it. It harms performance. Thanks for pointing this out. I lost all respect for Steve after that and his bs mea culpa still dogging the card for his initial failure. But AMDs marketing is atrocious.
That is an impressive TSE-GPU score. Is that stable or just the high score captured?
$600-650 will be OK but AMD has no intension of lowering those stupidly expensive price tags...
AMD will cut prices by the holiday season when these cards rot on shelves. Right now on Newegg, the XFX MERC310 RX 7900 XT is going for $755 after promo. In late June 2023, MicroCenter sold a PowerColor Hellhound RX 7900 XT for $700. The historical prices will be tested by the end of the year, and we might see 7900 XT prices hit $650 or lower.
I got mine for $700 with a free $100 game, which made it $600.
@@worldtownfcdude literally on July summer sale I can see 7900 xt was sitting on $700 mark and xtx sitting on $899 mark
Got mine for 650 at microcenter
In Australia the 7900XT costs equivalent of $770 USD
I agree: pricing makes or cans and offer.
700$ is still steep, but the performances of a 7900xt justify the current value. You are still outside of "mainstream" offers, but not by an unreasonable amount, and a 4070TI is certainly a worse offer.
900$ was too far IMO, straight in the Unreasonable territory, unless money are not an issue, but then, a 1000$ XTX, or even a 4090 are much faster.
here in germany the xt had a good price compared to the xtx , it was 300€ cheaper and today the difference can be up to 500€
7900xt is flawless. With my Ryzen 5600x You can say whatever you want, this GPU eats every game. btw i'd like to mention, with sam ( smart access memory ) and resizable bar turned on. it's in ur mb settings. gpu will also use half of ur system ram. I have 32 gb ddr4 @ 3200MHz and she purrs like a kitten. cod, cyberpunk, and i thought i'd add this for a laugh, 1600 fps on FF6 pixel remastered edition. looks so good lol, i caped it at 60 fps lol gpu sounds like a damn jet engine . all i'm sayin is if you pick up this gpu. you wont be dissapointed
Overclocking my 7900 xt gets me up to the xtx version more or less depending on the game
Same here, it's crazy! I had to rma my asrock phantom 7900xtx which took 3 months and 2 replacements. Got a deal on a 7900xt sapphire nitro, and it's oc performance is identical to the stock 7900xtx with just slightly lower 1% lows.
@@krayz66what’s your overclock settings? I’d like to copy them
whats your overclock settings?
@@Ichangedmynamein I've had the 7900 xtx back in my system for a few months now but the 7900xt looked something like: 500/3200mhz/1030mv/2714mhz/75%/15% from memory.
Informative video on theoretical performance. Looking forward to the real world testing on the RX 7900 XT tuned for max performance.
For baseline 4K 45FPS, a $500 card would be awesome. For a good 4K 60FPS+, a $700 card (like the GTX 1080 Ti-level of the Pascal/Polaris/Vega era) would be more appealing for long-term use. I don't game at 4K if I do, I would use my PlayStation V. I don't want to buy a $1000+ RX 7900 XTX or RTX 4090 to reliably feed a 4K monitor. I will stick to 1080p for the foreseeable future on PC.
I think budget and 4K just isn't a thing... budget an 1440p, sure, but 4K is a serious investment because you're most likely going to want to upgrade your system more frequently again compared to 1440p.
So, is it possible? I am wondering the the point of this video
AMD should have went with 4nm and 100 bucks lower for 7900 XT
Not possible. Nvidia reserved all the 4nm capacity that TSMC had available and paid $9 billion for the privilege.
@@selohcin Nvidia uses the 4N node not N4. 4N is just 5nm optimized for nvidias needs but it has nothing to do with tsmc's 4nm.
RDNA3 is power hungry. It is known that the 7900XTX scales well into 600 watts whereas the 4090 barely moves above 450.
It is clear AMD had to power limit these Navi31 chips dangerously close to the efficiency sweet spot, just to make a case for theoretical 50% efficiency increase.
Wait, you made a video asking if it's possible to overclock the 7900 XT to get performance like a 4080 and you didn't actually do that? In fact, you say you're going to do it in the next video?!!!! You deserve 1 million down votes for this 🤬
No, I did overclock.
@mrnicktoyou ??? At 9:06 he shows an overclock that gets to about within ~5% of a stock RTX 4080 in Time Spy Extreme.
A very good analyis. A massive missed opportunity from AMD indeed - misnaming this card and overpricing it at launch.
The Ada Lovelace cards dont scale well with power - the voltage limits on Ada are very aggressive. The 4090 has had this cut down to 1070mV from 1100mV and modders are flashing older vbioses without these limits. I also think the power setting might function differently on Ada compared to previous nvidia cards.
My only issue with this 7900xt card is it's RT performance - you are paying $750 for RTX 3080 RT in 2023 which is a bit steep to put it mildly , with worse upscalers (FSR) in the mix. If only nVidia cross licenced the DLSS tech to run in Radeon and Arc cards....😂
I'm interested to see how you get on with uv/oc as the Radeon drivers do not allow you to modify the v/f curve. This is a massive oversight tbh in their package compared to the nVidia Afterburner i use for my 2080ti. (I can get that card to beat a RX 6800 in timespy😂 with v/f tuning on air).
nvidia afterburner
Thanks. It is a missed opportunity. Think of how the community would have reacted to the 7900 XT if they just launched the GPU at the price it was going to come down to anyways.
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7900xtx kills the 4080 anyhow
Except when you turn on rt. Then you turn on path tracing and it's a absolute blood bath.
4080 taking the xtx into deep waters and drowning it slowly with path tracing on my friend 😂😂
@@c523jw7not everybody is interested in Ray tracing like u my friend
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garbage AI
Instead of delivering a fare value (& fare specs) product to the pc world, (when) you prefer to mock your own consumer group's intelligence level, you not only bring dead on arrival component to market, you also declare your nasty hostility to the community. Therefore, what you announce (without even performance level graphs) is nothing but your insult attempt gadget to the pc world...
Think again when you assume that pc world is consist of mindless creatures...
Even if I see RX7800 (which officially labeled & shipped as RX7900XT) for 399 $ on the market, I would not (even) consider to touch it.
It is belongs to biggest shame gallery of the pc world history...
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Go back to innovation, support your own research & developement teams. Do not try to scorn your own consumer masses...
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AMD needs to be AMD as we (used to) know it... World does not need lower level (or better called "secondary") nvidia at all...