7950x3D 1 Month Later - Should you Buy? A Customer's Perspective
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
- After a month, what is it like to own the 7950x3D? Does it have higher quality silicon? Does it live up to the hype? Is it worth the trouble?
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Thank you. Clarifies all the disparity in the reviews of the 7950X3D. You are absolutely right re: free vs bought reviews. It is human nature, hell, it's the nature of reality.
The thing I'm a bit disappointed with is the inability to control which CCD is used in a game through the Xbox Game Bar. So far it has worked well parking the cores of CCD2 until needed, but it would be nice if you could tell it to do the opposite, with just a check mark.
Have u tried it out now after the updates? Because I saw many ppl are enthusiastic about latest updates and how the CPU works now after those updates...
I did a UA-cam search of how to set up a 7950x3d and installed it and had no problems. It took like 10 minutes to set up
Thanks for this well done and informative video.
Glad it was helpful!
AMD is frustrating because they are so close but always have little issues that stop them from providing true competition to intel and NVidia. I bought and returned a 7900xt that I pad $850 for. On paper for $850 nothing Nvidia offers came close to the performance of the 79xt (at the time of purchase at least) But after getting it, I had to do so much trouble shooting it was ridiculous and the best I got was it works as intended "most of the time" which is unacceptable for the most expensive card Ive ever purchased.
This is precisely the reason why people talk about the "AMD Experience". It's incredibly frustrating to think you got a good deal, and expect reliability and a smooth day to day experience.
Only to run into a bunch of byzantine fucking problems that half the time have no solution, or incredibly granular ones that have to be done on a case by case basis. I wouldn't be surprised if a good chunk of the market has tried AMD stuff, been burned, and defaulted to Nvidia ever since.
I'm a Mac put it well: This is their top of the line, most expensive CPU... and it's a bumbling, cobbled together, inconsistent mess. It doesn't inspire confidence in AMD at all.
glad you said this as i was about to buy a 7900XT. Its unacceptable to work "most of the time" thats why i will go with a 4080.
@@CRF250R1521 you’re missing yourself, just go look at the list of unaddressed known issues that release with every new nvidia driver then. They’re both the same man.
@GTFour they aren't. I replaced that 7900xt with a 4080 and have had no issues since.
@@GoodnotGreat88honesty bruh 50~50 with both some people have issue some don’t but lol I will say a 4080 is better then a 7900 xt now if he was coming from a xtx then it wouldn’t make sense.
I've been using my 7950x3d for a couple of weeks now, and it's fantastic for me. I do use Process Lasso, and that makes the difference. For the money, I agree that the user should not have to do the things required to get this processor running properly, like BIOS updating and chipset driver updating and having to use 3rd party software. Although, I like to tinker and this is not a big deal for me to do. It all came together with process lasso. If you have this chip, you really should use Process Lasso, they were meant for each other. I would not recommend this chip for someone looking to plug in their new computer and just go. It does take a little extra, which should not be the case, but when you do, it's a really good processor.
I agree. I love this cpu when it works. Thank you for your feedback!
Is project lasso doing all the optimizing automatically?
Well now i gotta look up process lasso
@@SenorSchnitz You can assign any program to run on either one of the chiplets, or both chiplets, and on what cores you want. So, for games, I run them on the CCD with the 3d cache (cores 0-7) and all my software programs run on the second, non-3D cached CCD. (cores 8-15). For programs like Davinci Resolve, I set that to run across both chiplets and all cores.
Updating the bios and chipset has always been a thing. Thats MB side and not cpu
This was a very helpful summery for someone like me, who is just starting to learn about AMD. I have an intel 7700k that I built in 2017 and I love MSFS, I have a 1080ti now and want to do a full upgrade. Saw some videos on the amazing results from the AMD 7800X3D, and was thinking about going this direction (along with a 4090). I know this video is targeting the 7950X, but how is the 7800X3d? Is this a safe bet, or also is a nightmare to get working correctly?
only one ccd in 7800x3d , so no "problem" if you don't understand .. but the autor of this video is exagerating , it's not so complicated , just have to use ryzen master software if you don't want to go in bios and use "game mode" .. and 7950x3d , is not a real gaming cpu , it's far too overkill for games
My own Rule of thumb ...
The bigger the company, the less it cares.
Which goes hand in hand with...
The more people in a company the greater the dilution of knowledge in the products they make.
Thanks for your take on the odd ball. Informative as ever.👍 Keep up the sanity checks.
Glad i had no intention of upgrading anything this time around.
Kinda. I have some idea of what my company makes....but I'm very concerned with production safety, training, and compliance with all laws (and even going above and beyond them and even sometimes well above our own company standards if I see a gap). I'm fortunate enough to work for a company that will back me on this because a few grand spent on training is nothing compared to a few million dollars in a lawsuit (the argument I use to appeal to the bean-counters). The argument I use? I don't want anybody getting hurt. I don't want to see blood pools. I don't want to talk to the children of hurt people.
Sometimes specificity like that is a Very Good Thing. Never tell people they don't care; I just can't care about and monitor everything. But there are people like me in every company and industry.
Thank you for this! You saved me a ton of hassle and stress, no time to fiddle with a new chip/bios/windows. Just want to produce and complete my work.
Happy to share. If you don't have the time, the 7950x is really good for work. The extra 3d v-cache does not help for work anyways.
just got one after price drop, still building.. wish me luck. also, i want my "i am the thread director" t-shirt. props on the Gamer's Nexus mat. is there an update?
I'm coming from an intel 4790k cpu. i think its time for me to build a new pc. ive always had Intel, but wanted to maybe try out AMD but im torn on which one to get. I keep seeing the Ryzen 7800X3D is the best cpu for gaming but might lose some performance for non gaming applications. so what about for overall performance? like if i want to have the best gaming performance and potentially do some streaming on twitch/youtube and w/e else. if i want to stick with AMD, which would you recommend? 7950x? 5950x (was looking at this one a yr ago)? and how about if i go Intel? great video btw
I'm building my rig with the 9 7950x3D on the MSI X670E Tomahawk MB and Gigabyte RTX 4080 Super Graphics card. Do you think I'll see an improvement from my current i5-4670k, GTX 1060 ?
I like the take overall, project car is a good description. I bought this cpu intending to tinker for hours on it. I would say that the allure of the 3D cache will always be there because of just how magnificent it is at certain games and fixing certain issues. Hard bottlenecked games running 25% faster is literally 2-3 generations worth of IPC gains and the price is ultra competitive vs the 13900k especially when the 7800x3D comes out. I think AMD was a bit caught of guard with how good these chips were going to be and the 7950x3D may have actually been last minute planned. Hence no thread director. But I think since AMD saw how good it sold they’ll invest in the future for it.
I wish the prices were true in my country (central europe) - wanted to go for x3d cpu again but not only 7950x3d is more expensive its also literally out of stock constantly. Literally paperlaunch, one of the biggest retailers in my country sold 42 units so far, thats it.
Decided to go with 13600k, got cpu + z790 mobo for sub 600$, overclocked it to 5.6ghz on p cores, 4.3 ghz on e cores, sitting at comfy 50 degrees while gaming with ak620 cooler. Basically got 13900k performance in gaming for a fraction of price.
Im kinda pissed at amd, 2 out of 3 cpus in pcs i build and have at home currently used are amd, loved 5600x and 5800x3d. But here AMD releases (hopefully) better cpu 2 months later - imagine the outrage it intel did that - mobos are still expensive, problems with memory controllers, problems with cpu scheduler, not that amazing performance compared to 5800x3d.
Shame just as soon as AMD regained its position in CPU market started doing what they did in the past, they literally went from being extremely dominant in DYI market with am4 and having like 84% of sales in cpu dyi market to 67% in a span of two years and AM4 sales are still almost 4 times higher than AM5 for a reason. Disappointing platform.
Nah, IMO the "project car" thing and the "AMD's thread director" thing is him over-sensationalizing
How many new games do you play in a year?
For me, the answer is "less than 10"... less than 10 times a year I have to click a box in Process Lasso to direct my games to the correct CCD. Hardly worth even commenting on. AND because I'm in control, I know the right thing is happening, rather than relying on some black box from AMD or Intel that will likely fail me just when I need it. (You might note that many Intel folks are also using Process Lasso to bypass Intel's less-than-perfect hardware thread director.)
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Now, that said, I agree with him that AMD's core parking, Xbox Game Bar solution was scummily low effort for high profile hardware. BUT it didn't surprise me in the least because historically, AMD has *always* been bad at software. I didn't get invested in the 7950x3d *until* I knew there was third-party software that would let me solve the problem my way. He complained of "shoot the messenger" but I would counter with "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"
thanks honest talk i feel kinda like that.. happy i didnt jump yet. considering if i'm better of by buying 5800x3d @@keldon1137
thanks you let me remember the name of the program i though of for fixing the ccd @@joethedestroyer4309
Fastest, until it isn't. A couple years back, I bought a 3950x. The fastest then. Recently upgraded to a 5950x. I didn't go for the 5800X3D. I am waiting a couple years before going to AM5. I'll see what's best then. Then, I'll go for AM5 and X3D. I hope X3D implementation will be seamless. AMD needs to automate X3D in Ryzen Master.
Prices are going to be really nice when Zen 5 comes around, cheap motherboards , cheap memory, Used 7800x3ds better optimizations, I am pumped for 2024 hopefully new GPU drops announcements in summer.
@@starkistuna new generation gpu ?
Is it not like the Intel 12th series problem with the E cores and will just be fixed with windows scheduler changes at some point?
not the same, they worked together with Intel right. But, intel has integraded physical thread director on cpu, works super good on my 13600K
I was expecting a user review, but what i got is a 13mins rant. Truly one of yt videos of all time
I bought this cpu and frankly (from a current time and current bios update/windows improvements standpoint) this cpu did waaaaaaaaay better then i expected. In fact... i have 0 issues with threads being on wrong CCD. Sure i did tons of research to follow all the x3d cpu required stuff (like x3d optimized driver etc). Now just works, and core parking actually is a really neat power saving feature. The moment you alt tab out of a game and require stuff there the other core unparks, moment map loads it works again.
54°C during (single core heavy) game + multitasking photo editing software (15-30% cpu usage, only once i got it to 51% few seconds. Overall, to critical this review.
Also i got it for 699€, by no means cheap but it's the cheapest price for a top (16 core amd at launch) yet, and it has 3d cache now, so between lines it's 600€ cpu and future save. Also 7800x3d was reaaaal option (same for 7900x3d) but for +50%, getting double cores that are sometimes faster (ghz), the 7800x3d looks like bad deal for someone wanting always enough cores to never get sloppy pc processing speed. Alas enter 7950x3d. I thought about upgrading to 9950x3d but, i'm certain i can delay it a long time until that cpu drops to 500€ and even then i might not need to. This cpu is bloody fast, efficient, and 'actually' works.
I bought cpu (unlike some reviews) and i'm happy with it (to give another side of coin.)
Hey man, do you use game bar for the automatic parking feature? Or process lasso?
@@IShaderI Xbox game bar. Just works to be honest (alt tab out of game without duel screen, takes you out of mode btw, gaming 3 sec (active) returns it again.
I ordered mine today, 450 bucks deal, after tons of research, AMF did fix the software issues on August 2023,making it an stable reliable processor now. It took me almost a month to decide between the 7800x2d and the 7950X3D. In the end the latter has better features. Problem is most of this videos are half a year old and are not representing any longer current chipset performance or status. We need an updated review since the last software driver update dropped.
@@edwardsteinjolt3720 nice. The amount of people who spent top dollar for a top of line PC then "upgrade" (they literally use that word) from 7950x3d to 7800x3d was depressing to see... like sure it might be a better value price to performance. But if can already afford it or you get an awesome deal, why not take it?
Where was the deal btw?
Regarding SP score, mine was near identical to yours.
Over all, the CPU is nice and efficient at max load, but over priced for what it actually delivers.
Thanks for sharing. I agree, the efficiency is great, but it is pricey.
What you think of the Ryzen 7 7800X3D
I always prefer homogenous core design to ensure consistency. Thankfully my 5800x3d is all I need for the foreseeable future.
That's why I don't use ultrawide despite people telling me to get one of those ultrawide OLED monitors over the 16:9 because its "better"
But I don't care if its brighter or has better color accuracy, many games I have will have black bars or be super zoomed in. No thank you
Should be good for years
And after using my 7950x3d for a week i can tell: it's all i need for a really long time, what a monster cpu speed, efficiency and game cache wise. (I skipped ryzen 3000/5000, so i had 8 year cpu break wich is really long for power user like me, 7800x3d launch price is to high, and price per core was much cheaper on 7950x3d so i didn't think twice.
After using for week and doing all the required stuff to make it work, this cpu is better then expected, lower temps (54° most of time) then expected, faster then expected, scheduling game works better then expected, core parking/unparking is actually very dynamic (alt tab out of game and just unparks other cores for say image editing), go in game and instantly in parked stadium again with faster 3d cache for gaming ccd enabled. Plus power efficiency is actually even better then expected because of this. This is like a 7950x 'eco mode' on steriods. Exactly what i wanted.
It feels like it's designed for the Halo product marketing effect more than anything, though it does also seem like a killer CPU for someone who makes a living as a game streamer (which is also a great way to amplify the Halo product marketing effect), and can also sell a lot of units to people who just care about bragging rights, as well as the small niche of people who are hardcore gamers who also want to do productivity work (who aren't streamers).
this is me. building a pc, don't want to build another or upgrade any time soon. give me the best all around so i can handle every use case i have for the next decade, hopefully. i would like to think i do more than just play games, at least.
hardcore gamers who also want to do productivity work (who aren't streamers).
Hey, thats me xD 7950x3d here
I appreciate the video, you even got a thumbs up. But dude, you're looping. How many times did you repeat AMD Thread Director or "It's like a project car".
Okay so what is the best overall gaming CPU? I want to build a new gaming rig that will be used primarily, 95% of the time, for gaming. I was leaning towards a 7950x3d because the 13900k is a wattage ho. Should I go with a 7800x3d instead?
yes
Think I'll wait a generation. Was planning to go 7900x -> 7950x3d but the effort doesn't seem worth the minimum performance gains. Thanks for the video, needed something that made sense of all this.
The gaming differences are minimal and if AMD sorts out the drivers, it'll be worth the wait.
7800X3D > 7900X
A. They didn't solve the overclocking problem. By that you can't overclock the 3d cache even if you somehow brought the operating temps down to at most 20° with some unholy refrigeration setup. And unless they make a larger processor scrapping the overlapping cache, make a nonplanar chip with an expensive as hell shroud and heat sink or somehow have us cool the processor from both sides they can't make it overclockable as it is too volatile. They could avoid hard 90s, but no processors do(hard 90s have extreme resistance and as such are hotspots and integrated circuits are filled with them). Stacking the problem makes the flaw exponential.
B. Scheduling for it is crap so it will improve with time. As is, they use the Xbox app in part for management so if you've removed the bloat you're going to be lacking. They could have given us a convenient tool to manually set it up per .exe but they didn't.
C. AMD can't deliver software on release and never has. AMD drivers have a smaller footprint and work better on outdated systems. This is the forerunner, a flagship, and AMD doesn't make flagships. They make good for the price.
All you need is Project Lasso. This chip is awesome.
I mean you can just use process lasso and dedicate each ccd to certain applications and avoid any inconsistencies.
Dont need to play *Zorro* with Intel
@@nivea878just need to crank up your AC in the winter due your PC being a glorified space heater.
didn't they address the best threads issue with one of the chip set updates
"AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver"
I need a t shirt that says GOOD TO GO when I do my future x670e build.
I like the power consumption graph of the 7950x3d (see linus tech tips later in his video). Like 60 watt, 7950x was double, raptor lake 13900k 90watt. Now the big question is can the 7950x be tuned that way, i'm not so sure yet. Linus seems to suggest agressive downclocking and this may not be in de 7950x no matter how you tune it.
If i can get performance to watt equal on 7950x i would instant buy it, 600€ is a steal for it (knowing the 5950x was so long 830€ and then just when 7950x launched 600€, now finally going 500€).
To be honest i'm also still tempted for the 7900X3D, 12 cores would be perfect for me (one of reasons i waited just like you after seeing the 5900x3d, i want best of both worlds). But this cpu is overpriced 680€ (600€ one shop now, right direction), 550€ or lower it could become the value king in 3D land when number of cores are also important.
7800x3d is tempting now, but also not. First of all it remains a 8-core. Sure the 6-core 7600x beats 5800x already in cinebench like stuff, so 8 core is really good, but why stay at this core count for 500€? Just looking at the still brand new 7900x for 400€ that doenst feel right.
Buying amd cpu was never as challenging. Waiting for 8950x3d is also wrong imo. I waited AM5 (skipped am4) because corona price hike on them and because i knew i couldnt upgrade (wich was so nice hearing all those ppl drop in 5800x3d in their old amd motherboard). With 2025 being potential end date for AM5 i considerg only 3 cpu's gens be certain for it (maybe 4 but don't count on it). Upgrading one cpu gen never is worth it (except maybe Sandy bridge xd). So i have to buy now 7000 serie (but when it's bottomed out in price) and then later 9950x3d when bottomed out in price to have the most efficient price and upgrading strategy, this disqualifies the 8950x3d as purchase.
And Intel? No upgrade, insane power consumption (sure you can tune it but when tuning amd is even better then it already is compared to amd), and 66% cores that might be useless in lot of situations, no thanks. Meteor lake might be sort of what i like but still to short upgrade window, probably price hikes (everything suggest Intel wanted higher raptor lake price but couldnt, - i'm sure meteor lake will be that thing). So nigh.
Maybe in few months nobody will be buying 7950x3d and there will be sudden price drop, i will certainly step in then.
For power consumption, AMD is the only choice. I've run my 7950x in Eco Mode and was amazed at the performance per watt. 5nm TSMC is a great node and a large part of why Apple Silicon is so efficient. Makes me wonder how AMD screwed up the RX 7900 GPUs using the same node...
Linus isnt trustworthy anymore try gamers nexus Instead.... He became the icy veins of 2023
Some Difficult words to accept, but I cannot agree more.
Great video 🙂
AMD missed the ball with this one, because of greed.
Thanks! AMD makes some great hardware but they fall short on software & drivers... and it's not the first time. Why doesn't AMD hire a few good software engineers and do it right? With all the money they are making now, they can surely afford to hire a few people dedicated to sorting this out BEFORE LAUNCH!
@@ImaMac-PC I agree in general, but I did remember the other day that the first time intel launched their hybrid design things were also super messy, like a good few games not even working with the E-cores enabled.
In my personal experience I would say that this launch went somewhat better than that depending on your game list, but I think what clouded intel's mistakes was the performance of the P-Cores and the return to form w.r.t multi-thread performance across their lineup.
My issue with AMD here is basically just how rushed this launch was, but Intel is honestly no different though I expected more from AMD these days.
I love my 7950x3D *shrug* - works fantastic for the games I play.
Me too. I just wished it didn't require so much babysitting to make sure it's doing the right thing :)
@@ImaMac-PC what babysitting? I use process lasso and just set all but games to use the non 3D vcache
That works! Except when you play games that utilize anticheats that make ProcessLasso unable to tinker with the affinity at all and all you can do is watch :(
The Linux experience on Windows!
Jokes aside, if the only bad thing about it is the thread mismanagement and you play the same 5 games all the time, is it really a problem?
AMD and Nvidia been playing the customer for years.
Are you buying from Intel then? Thought so.
@@undergrounder intel has actually been good after their 11900k disaster though.
Now we have APO for the 14900K, which is Intel straight up admitting that their collaboration to create an entirely new OS to fix Intel's big/little scheduling still isn't working right, and 12th/13th gen owners won't be getting this fix despite largely being the same architecture because "reasons."
It seems like AMD's return to competitiveness in both the CPU and GPU realms has resulted in products with more flaws and asterisks coming out of AMD, Intel, and nVidia than we've ever seen before. Competition is supposed to make everything better and cheaper, instead, it just seems to be marginally improving some things while wildly complicating other things, and prices just keep going up.
i come from an era that CPU is a part that you just plug and play. only consider is heatsing and paste. now i have no idea what is "putting work to CPU in order to perform"
That's why i will go with 7950x .. I was waiting for x3d version and i see it's not worth it.. even if "works" sometimes, i will not support it buying it.. Only way to show you don't agree with a company is not supporting it/buying it.. I still think 7950x is better, you know what you get.. and it works how is intended.. I need productivity cpu but if don't need it.. i would rather go with 7800x3d than 7950x3d .. if you want to play with it/tweak, undervolt it.. see how it works.. and you are good to go.
I went for the non-3d version. I consider myself an enthusiast but I didn't want to spend the time tweaking as I don't have the time.
It is 700 usd, it has a ton of power, 16 cores, nice gaming performance and low tdp. I think it is fine. I am on intel atm but I am thinking of changing back.
dont doit, trust me
@@nivea878 ...bro :D
jufus nailed it. good to see you back at it :)
Thanks for your review. I too am not happy with the "upgraded" CPU. Aside from Bios headaches and lower benches, I am ready to return this pos back to Amazon and get another 7950x. Lucky I'm still in my 30 day return period. Losing faith as fast as this CPU creates headaches for my system.
Truthful review based on your own dime and experience. Not just bashing for "rage-sake". Kudos
7800X3D is the go to
Id say a better value is the 9 7900x or from intel the i7 13700k
It would be great 5950x3d released. Waiting for months..
Awesome CPU if set up correctly and usung Process Lasso.
Pretty much 2 cpus (gaming and productivity) in one chip.
as someone who likes to tinker with their stuff, I very much like it this way where I can be the director 😎😎
@@raven3696action!
so now which one 7950x or 7950x3d??
Just get your 7950X in peace
Actually my 7950x3d was easy to install. I was up and running before I knew it.
I used a Asrock x670e Taichi MB, even that was easy to setup for a mother board.
Don’t really get this “games running on the right CCD.”
If the game is glitch free why does it matter?
I would rather have a 160 watt CPU than a 400 watt’er.
Not trying to burn down my house for a game.
For streaming I still run air cooled (coolermaster 622). My sim racing improved and my lap times reduce with more skill. What am I missing?
I can’t fix it if I don’t know what’s broken.
My gpu is a RX7900xtx. It runs on 400 watts.
I leave it up to the AMD assistant in Adrenalin to adjust game performance as necessary.
Adrenalin over-clocks the CPU too, Ryzen Master (kinda clunky).
You can do in the bios what Ryzen Master does.
I get 536 FPS in UT2004 setting on Ultra. 120 in F1 2023 w/ RT on VR ultra. 236 in Beat Saber not a stutter or glitch.
No I do not buy other people’s project cars either. Why I went with AMD. Intel Arc is a project car, with no focus in VR. Nvidia makes their stuff out of gold (apparently and Intel, don’t need a heater, mine works fine currently and air cooling is more cost effective.
I haven been able to OC this damn thing. Messing around in the bios doesn't do much either. Kind of irritated.
Wooo!
If only greed didn't get in the way and they only released a 7800X3D for $449 clocked to 5.7GHz. I'm sure the results would be a lot different and we would be singing a different tune.
7800X3D WAS DECLARED THE BEST GAMING CPU.
Does so with the least watts pulled from your wall socket of your room and does so with the lowest temp on the CPU as well.
The design of the 7800X3D is the greatest marvel of our time for Gaming.
*CPU 7800X3D: The Most Efficient Gaming CPU ever made to date.
*GPU 4090: Greatest GPU ever Made to date.
Each go hand and hand together for 1080p, 1440P and 4k Resolutions and the 7800X3D beats the 13900k in almost all games.
Draw back of the CPU is PRODUCTION matter like Cad etc.... this is why 13900k is rated best for it is great at doing both worlds.
For Gaming only aspect, 7800X3D is best for gaming in the world!!!!
Cost you the least and give you the most that no CPU on Earth can do.
Take 100 games run them all with a 4090 and exchange CPU's 7800X3D will have by far the most wins for FPS, Least Watts used, coolest temps etc....
i had 3950X 5950X and 7950X aslo i have 12900k and 13900k for while i woudlike to buy 7950x3d or 7800x3d i still fighting with myself ;d
Corporations make you sign very detailed NDAs, that is how the billion dollar cookie crumbles.
nice to know i’m not alone honestly.. kept undervolting and touching my bios like brooooo i just wanna run my 4090 & cpu to full affect with how much i paid…
I like to tinker and your not playing 40 games at at once you might have 3-5 games at most you playing at one time. I just test whats the fastest on the game im playing I understand the argument that you shouldn’t have to do that but if your the kind of person who buys a 7950x3d and a 4090 you will go in the bios and use programs and mess with stuff. How are your temps in games and when maxing it out?
Another Massive Disappointment made me chuckle. I wonder why not have both ccds with 3d vcache? Could it be thermals or something else?
The notes said that the speed boost wasn't of significance, but the price increase required was.
Because AMD would rather put the difference in money in their pocket, than give you that 2nd CCD of vcache.
Both having 3d cache would be slower, losing the option of running frequency bound tasks on the faster die
There would be no point. You would just end up with a much slower cpu where only some of the cores are used for gaming.
This is why I got a 7950x… prices going back up.
I agree with the reviews. It should work out good out of the box. This was a case with fitst ven multiple core and Microsoft windows. It had a problem not running in multicore optimally. Amd needs it own game software tuner. This isn't work out of the box CPU.
I was hoping they were going to fix it over time but that is not the case. Even in all the 14900k reviews (eight months later), the reviewers show the 7950x3D performing closer to the 7950x than the 7800x3D.
I bought my 4090 in January and been waiting to build my first AMD rig in over a decade. After the reviews of the 7950x3d I decided to wait for the 7800x3d. But at this point I'm not sure if that will be even good enough. After the reviews I'll decide if I should just get the 13900k.
If you're looking for a performance project where you have to milk it out for each use case the 5950x3D is both good for gaming and work. If you want something that just works stick to Intel. When tuned correctly you can get lower input lag out of the 5950x3d, but is it worth the extra effort?
I am exactly in the same boat as you :(
Somehow managed to snag a 4090 in Jan but don't have any other components. Was recommended to wait for 7950x3d but now in a conundrum as to what to get.
Maybe just go the Ryzen 9 7950X
The 7800x3d is generally good for gaming but there are in fact games that prefer speed to cache. Properly setting up the 7950 involves setting things up with a different program than the recommended and officially supported Xbox gamebar but will provide superior performance to the 5800x3d and in the array of games that do prefer cache it will easily beat Intel. The 7950x3d uses better bins to the 5800x3d. So if you can't handle a bit of tedium either Intel or the 7800x3d. If you want the best all around go 7950x3d. Most games prefer cache size, and the 7950x3d and the 7800x3d have the most cache but the 7950x3d has higher quality. While the applications that prefer speed will perform better on Intel, the 7950x3d has fairly good speed on the other chiplet.
The 7950x3d is the best gaming chip in general. It's just got the facts the windows scheduler and AMD release software sucks holding it back from working right out of the box.
If you were doing only AI specific work where the main priority for the CPU is communicating with the GPU, Intel is still king. Games generally want a decent sized chunk of data readily available going back and forth.
Yup looks like unfinished/betatest, one needs to use Process Lasso to manage game performance...until AMD design a real Thread Director
This CPU is a lot better than the Intel offering.
Basically, if you compare the P and E cores, to AMD,
The Vcache cores are E cores with massive cache, so a far superior E core.
Bu for some reason, people are crying more for these massive performing AMD E cores than when Intel released there E Cores.
It's the only CPU if you are staying with Windows 10 for now!
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Very happy with my overall experience. It was not difficult to flash the bios and do the extra work like buying the correct 6000 ram. I feel like this was minimal work for cutting edge technology. This was my first ever build and my first computer in 10 years. That being said, your talking points were all valid and accurate.
Wich 6000 mhz ram did you buy? I read on tons of such ram that it only works 5200/5600 in the end.
@@Matti6950 My Gskill neo expo 6000 ram works too. Not one crash yet. Gigabyte x370e master board. Rock solid
7800X3D has something to say about that!!!!!
i'm in this predicament at the moment and there's just too much inconsistency for me to go for the 7950x3d, instead i'm going to save £250 and get the 7800x3d instead which has near enough the same gaming performance with none of the headaches
AMD has not fixed the problem and they won't. You can still see the inconsistencies in the 7950x3D eight months later in all the i9-14900K benchmarks. Many times the 7950x3D benchmarks like a 7950x. When I game, I reboot with only the 3D V-cache chip enabled (effectively a 7800x3D). My recommendation: if you don't need the cores, save yourself the headache and just get the 7800x3D.
@@ImaMac-PC yep that's exactly what I'm leaning toward and having the better upgrade path, a lot cheaper cpu with equal gaming performance at the least
such ado about nothing this is the perfect tinkerer chip. had 0 zero issues with the core parking, no process lasso needed. clocked it to 5.9 on ccd 1, 37k in cb23
I did not have any issues with my 7950x3d. Runs like a God.
Was it a new build with a fresh install of Windows?
@@ImaMac-PC Hi, Yes it was.
Same here running like a baus. But yes new build on x670e platform
I like the clarity of your argument. Subbed because of it.
AMD have been doing some silly things recently. It's like the marketing people have gone mad with power because Zen got off to such a great start and shook the market up. Now they've forgotten the basics. Personally I'd much rather have fewer options from them and make certain that they worked. If it's less than a 10% change in the results it's simply not noticeable. But that's just me. Intel and nVidia are huge compared to AMD and they set the market. Shame is that AMD are just following the milk wagon rather than being a consumer champion.
yeah its not ready out of the box, I had to spent extra 10 minutes to install chipset drivers and update bios, gamebar and everything else is enabled and working fine by default win instal. So much work... Why would you even buy this for games only, you should wait for 7800x3d everyone knew months back it will be same CPU , cheaper with no core parking hassle
All they had to do was put 3D Cache on both CCD's and unlock all overclocking features. I was disappointed when the reviews dropped for this processor.
The 3d cache ccd is hypersensitive to internal temps. Resistance is high at hard angles which integrated circuits are full of. That means high heat spots inside the IC. The 3d cache is literally stacking integrated circuits on top of integrated circuits. Instead of an IC, some extra silicone, heat spreader connection method, heat spreader it's IC, IC, extra silicone, etc. That IC IC space is a cooling nightmare. The reason the 3D cache core can't be overclock is because they would die rapidly. The point temperatures are too high and there isn't room to defuse the heat, especially on the lower part of the ccd as it has the cache in the way.
AMD likes to say the 3D cache is sensitive to high temps but is more a case of the cache is bad design to shoehorn in more cache within a smaller footprint. The rest of the chiplet has a heater in the way of the heat sink and the 3d cache has a heater sitting under it. So the entire chiplet has an issue with high heat. And all that talk of "voltage sensitivity" is code for our shoehorned design can't handle temperature.
Unless AMD makes a processor stack where the the 3d cache is on an opposing side of the chip and you have a heatsink on both sides(doubling case size by the way) we won't be able to overclock chips with 3d cache. That idea is totally doable though. It would basically equate to 2 chiplets equating to one but you either need 2 sockets, one for cache and the other of the rest, or a CPU integrated into the mobo.
@@richardbrooksshnee I don't care if it's "hYpEr SenSitive" If I kill my own CPU so be it. 3D cache both of the CCD's and let me liquid metal direct die cool it and OC the fuck out of it. That engineering sample of the 5800X3D with the unlocker multiplier benchmarked some impressive results wonder if this will happen again on this generation.
Most reviewers said wait for the 7800X3D.
Only for gaming. The 7950x3D was marketed as being a productivity cpu that could game.
I have a 5950X and do gaming, video transcoding and development on this machine (replaced 2700X).
My son has a 5800X3D he does gaming and is data science major (replaced 2700).
I never understood the person who would want a X3D on a high core chip because the difference is very small regardless of which way you look at it.
Our 2 cases both work very well for us and honestly if they were swapped it wouldn't really matter to either of us as well.
I think its the last 5% of things that perplexes me as to why someone cares if they get 1-5% more on something, and that it stresses them out in the first place.
there are games where the performance uplift is way higher than 5% , upwards of 20% and 40% more frames and the 1% are way higher simulations , racing games, performance is miles better than on the regular Zen 3 chips 46% better on a 23 game average ua-cam.com/video/2HqE03SpdOs/v-deo.html
Thing is: these 7000X3D cpu's do however combine something unique: they are the most efficient pretty much (definitely beating X models and equaling non X models but beating in games for sure). That's one. Unlike 7800x3d they keep the highest boost frequency for other tasks (like starting photoshop or something) 5.6-5.7ghz. The 7800x3d looses that. And for me really important, my 4 core cpu is now really hitting 100% all the time (3570k) it's 7 -8 years old. I want my pc to be and as old and... never hit 100% all the time in 8 years. To do this you must be ahead of the core-game. I see 8-core while really good, as the same 4 core issue i have now in 8 years, to often capped. 12 cores and 16 core will never ever have that problem (1 core might be overtaxed, but that's with all cpu's tbh). It's this combination that makes 79x0X3D so tempting. Doenst mean i'm not considering 7950x at 600€. Also i forgot temps, X3D temps are waaaay better then 7950x temps.
My first Comment on this thing was something like; They better have a Control Board that lets you do everything manually and on the fly. If it is not easily accessible, this thing won't work.
I have my stuff set up with three different Windows Power Profiles in the Taskbar and all 5 Profiles in Afterburner. Still, I would not touch the 7950X3D :P
Snap - Snap - Snap - Stuff needs to be there front and Center - Bing - Bang - Boom ^^
just wait for the 8 core
This is where we are now. Tech that costs hundreds of dollars that mostly works
111 sp points on my 7950x3d
Thanks, subbed. I was really struggling with whether to buy this or not......I love what AMD the company has become since RYZEN was launched.....but, I held off from upgrading my 7950X (since it's a $700 upgrade!!!) and I had just spent thousands upgrading my rig to the AM5 platform. Sadly now I have lost most of my excitement for the 7950X3D and I am happy with what I have......oh well, hopefully AMD learns and keeps improving because I never want to go back to the days of really on having one good cpu choice....
Welcome aboard! The 7950x is the forgotten CPU now that the 7000x3D chips launched. For productivity, I love that all 16 cores are "big boy" cores and no little cores and so I don't need a thread scheduler like with Intel. Plus, it does game great a higher resolutions. If Intel didn't bounce back like they did, the 7950x would have gone up in price and the 7950x3D would have been $999!
as a rule of thumb, anything that is designed and conceived solely by chnk scm should be avoided. found that out the expensive way. even now, while Intle is the paragon imprlst grdy scm, still their products are loads better. best desktop cpu in the world my ass.
so you're sayin... there's a chance!
Worse experience I’ve ever had building a pc with all the inconsistent performances, not to mention the adjustment here and there to make the damn thing run properly.
Last time I’ll ever buy an AMD product, I even had a massive headache setting up the Gigabyte Motherboard and getting the proper bios for the X670, there is a reason a lot of people just buy Intel+Asus motherboards. It just works, unlike this hot garbage. To make it even worse, I threw away the motherboard box and the cpu box. Now I have to find a way to return it back to amazon and get the Intel 13900KS + Asus.
You are not alone.
great video, I preordered one last month and it got delayed, so i refunded today and tomorrow i get the 7800x3d, i just want a proper flagship cpu!
It is the better choice for a hassle free experience. Have fun!
If you limit the non V-Cache cores to be slower than the V-Cache CCD in the bios you won't have to worry about assigning ccds per program. This is how it should of been.
That is an interesting way of doing it and it would run cooler.
"just don't perform to spec, and everything's good." weird take.
Finally a legitimate review that adresses the main problem with AMD. Their software is shite. I ended up in a similar situation with my 144hz monitor having black screens because of bad software of amd rx570 which still is not fixed to this day. I ended up using the HDMI port@120hz instead of 144 via DP,
A lot of people with common sense knew only the 7800x3d would be good after hearing AMD’s design and choices with the 3D v cache. Buying a 16 core or 12 core CPU and having to cut its cores and threads in half for 3D v cache is a dumb idea. Along with having to deal with Microsoft’s garbage scheduler because AMD could not build their own scheduler with the 2 years they had before releasing zen 4. The only zen 4 CPU that is great is the 7800x3d. If you are on AM4 still just upgrade to a 5800x3d.
How is Windows 7 suppose to deal with 8 cores / 16 threads... just.. disappearing and reappearing at will??? Let alone performance cores vs efficiency cores. Have these CPU manufacturers lost their BLANK mind?
It beats 13900k only when you do not OC the CPUs and pair the 13900k with mediocre RAM and do not take advantage of its superior IMC.
I am going for that CPU because yeah work at day, game at night. But I am not going to sit there coping that it's ok for a 700 bucks CPU to be this full of tradeoffs, inconsistencies and hassles.
This video resonated with me, because I build my own PCs for 20+ years now and I full well grown accustomed to this AMD's shtick where they have this new exciting tech and 80% of the time they manage to fudge it up with some BS like this 3D V-Cache implementation here.
Frankly, I am not even sure what's the point of making 7950X3D like this, it's already a frikkin' 700 bucks CPU, go extra mile to $800, but give us 2 well balanced CCDs that both have dedicated 3D V-Cache eack, so at least at the top level you have a product that feels complete and not some hack like 7950X3D and does not require 50 pages guide to make it do its job properly.
Call it 7990X3D and take my money.
Very well said!
exact reasone why I swiched back from AMD to INTEL
I dont think the 7800x3d has been tainted (yet). Time will tell.
The Intel CPU's also had problems with their new hybrid CPU's. Right now most of the problems are gone. To expect AMD to get everything right from day one is naive. And of course, someone who only games should get the 7800X3D not 7950X3D.
oh well what can i say typical amd just enjoy the gains a couple months later after they fix their garbage drivers
now I feel silly for having bought it 💀💀💀💀💀💀
It’s not universally recommend because dishonest youtubers make it out to be bad. I installed my 7950X3D, updated chipset drivers and bios, and it’s rock solid. Not a single issue. Works as intended. Y’all just haters and just trying to create drama to get views. Unreal!!
May I ask how you know it works as intended? How did you come to that conclusion?
@@ImaMac-PC I play COD Warzone, COD Warzone 2, Spiderman, MSFS 2020, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Squad, Overwatch, RDR 2, TW: Three Kingdoms. All of these games I saw between 15-30% increase in performance over my previous 7950X. All games perform and work without any issues. So yeah, I would think 7950X3D works as “intended”
@@MustafaGT Thank you for the reply. Not everyone is as fortunate as you and you can find many reddit posts that demonstrate the same frustration I had. Did you do a fresh install of Windows after swapping from the 7950x to the 7950x3D?
@@MustafaGT What motherboard are you using?
Feel like this is a case of "shouting in a tiny room", yeah there are issues but I can't see how any one buying the 7950x3d wouldn't know how to get it working right. Yeah the marketing seems to be wrong but what's new with AMD? The 7800x3D won't have any of these issues. Also feel like the engineering behind the dual CCD design should be the focus. I don't have one though so I can understand your frustrations with buying a $699 CPU and having to do weeks of troubleshooting. Thanks for the video anyway.
I mean, Process Lasso. Obviously. And you know Microsoft is in no great rush to get the Scheduler working properly. But they will eventually.
I personally think AMD missed the marketing point here. The 7950x3d pours out the efficiency--it has the SAME RESULTS or slightly better, while using 120watts to the 7950x's 170 watts. That's friggin' amazing. I'm sold. Completely SOLD. And yes, I'll follow a guide to get it working properly.
@@BronzeDragon133 I don't even think you need process lasso. If you've not send Gordon's video, that's a decent one. Game bar just dumps all identified games on the 3D CCD. I've read a few other people getting to the same conclusion. So seems like you'd only need Process Lasso if you know your games prefers the higher clocks.
@@moevor Some of mine do; Factorio chews cycles. But sure, it's just for nice-nice.
I still prefer the efficiency. 🙂
@@BronzeDragon133 Yeah great out of the box efficiency for full workload although I have to stay idle power on Ryzen surprised me. I recently spent some time on my 5600x trying to figure out why it's guzzling almost 40W on desktop. Seems like the memory subsystem/chiplet approach/infinity fabric needs a base power draw that doesn't really drop when you're not under load. Had to roll back my mem OC to be able to make desktop time more reasonable.
@@moevor plenty of games prefer speed to cache. The game bar autodumping is part of the problem. The other issue is it tries to sleep state the other processor instead of scheduling properly. If you're using gaming/workstation as both simultaneously it can be problematic.
I wonder if it's AMD's plan to rescue weaker CCDs by sticking a chunk of cache on them? I got the 7950X, wasn't interested in the X3D part. From my own test experience with several recent top-end chips, I think that Intel is still producing the better silicon. AMD tops benchmark scores because of its greater number of cores usually, and Intel is being damaged by not being able to get its process node down to AMD/TSMC levels, thereby using more power for similar output. Individually, Intel cores (P-cores, typically) beat AMD. Subjectively, my experience on Windows and Linux seems smoother on Intel CPUs too, although the 5950X is an excellent performer, just that the individual cores score lower than the Intel equivalent part.
Imo Intel silicon is worse. Raptor lake has some kind of Netburst architecture to it. Even downclocking/lowering ppt optimizing etc, AMD always wins in power efficiency, at 65 watt the difference is quite enormous. plus i don't trust E-cores, sooner or later, you run in situation were they are not usefull and loose 66% of your cores, and are basically sitting at an overpriced 8 core cpu. Also 0 upgrade for Raptor lake users, even though we need meteor lakes power efficiency.
@@Matti6950 AMD benefits from the more efficient TSMC process node, but Intel chips always beat AMD chips in single core performance at a given tier.
I don't know why you don't trust E-cores or think they will be somehow rendered not useful. E-cores are as their designation implies, just a way to improve overall chip efficiency given Intel's deficit in this area.
I have an Alder Lake i9 system and a 7950X system and the i9 can still beat the 7950X in certain specific areas like single core performance and memory bandwidth, and the Intel system has DDR-5200 whereas the AMD has DDR-6000.
In my objective and subjective tests (Alder Lake i9, 7950X, 5950X, Rocket Lake i7) the Alder Lake processor more than holds its own, on Windows and Linux, and I originally expected that it would perform less well on Linux because Intel didn't work as closely nor as early on Hardware Feedback Interface ("Thread Director") as they did with Windows.
There were problems with games and some benefited from disabling E-cores in the BIOS early on, but those have largely been mitigated. Games are very technical pieces of software that typically have intimate knowledge of the hardware on which they're running. To that end there will need to be some adjustment to take into account heterogenous compute, but that should also be largely mitigated by ongoing developments in the kernel, on Windows and Linux and undoubtedly other operating systems, although Windows is still currently the platform of choice for games. That's changing quite rapidly as gaming improves significantly on Linux; a large part of the issue for Linux gamers is Nvidia's refusal to work closely with the Open Source community rather than any issues with P- and E- cores. Even AMD is looking into heterogenous compute for future CPUs.
thank you from preventing me making a huge mistake. going for the i9 ks now and optimize it once and im done. really no intention fuxking around in the future constantly with the x3d
"going for the i9 ks now and optimize it once and im done" .. what 's the difference then ? ... he just confused you yeah
@@n.y.npache2646 hehe, in the end I still got a 7950x3d and cant be more happy. it works all like intended from AMD ;)
Lol yes problems. so I ended up with 13900ks ... Runs great
Thanks for the feedback. With all the Shenanigans with Asus (and I have an Asus MB) and BIOS revisions, I may have to look at Intel. I've avoided it until now due to the need for Windows 11 for Intel chips...I still use Windows 10 for compatibility reasons.
@@ImaMac-PC I'm still using Win 10 and I'm on 13900K. It is doing fine. I really don't bother using Lasso for the games at all. I just wanted working out of box, period. Also, I have both AMD and Intel systems. I'd say Intel is easier to set up cause it just works. i might eventually move to Win 11 just in case if Win 12 turned out to be a really messy OS.
Whoever is broke to afford the x3d version, just stick to what your money can buy 💀
No
Withholding the 7800x3d was a really scummy move by Amd. They are not "the people's" pc hardware company, they are just another corporation. People need to stop cutting them slack cause they weren't competitive enough in the cpu space before. This is why they had to lower their prices in the past compared to Intel, not because they were being nice to us consumers.
I'm amazed people still cut them slack after they jacked up the prices on fucking everything after Ryzen being a mega hit. They abandoned that price-value mantle the instant they taste wealth and success.
I changed from top intel i9 to amz ryzen 9 series 7 and I couldn't be happier