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THE Seven PERFECT Snare Drums
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2023
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Get the tones you've only heard in UA-cam videos. Find the sounds you've dreamt about for years. They're not difficult to get. You just need the right snare drum! In this video, I explore seven different metal snares that have all served me well during my decades of drumming experience. From vintage to modern, short to tall, aluminum to brass, and everything in between, you'll leave this video with a lot more knowledge about metal snare drums that will prepare you for your next purchase. And if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. I'll do my best to answer you here in the comments!
I am a snare drum FREAK. I've owned everything from Ludwig, Leedy, Tama, DW Drums, Yamaha, custom drum companies, and more. But the seven drums we're going to look at today are just plain special. There are a few drums form Ludwig, and it's that brand that continues to excite my ears. There are other vintage drums on this list from another Chicago drum manufacturer, but you'll find out about that brand (one that DW Drums now actually owns) later in this video. And the last drum mentioned in this video comes out of Seattle - the home of grunge. And that guy who made that snare is the legend behind really making that Seattle drum sound POP!
I'm hoping to cover some more wood snare drums in another video. What is your favorite wood snare? Something like the Rogers Dynasonic (the wood version) is super rare and sound fantastic, but it's more common drums like the 3-ply Ludwig and Slingerland snares of the past that tend to pump me up because they're more common and a heck of a lot more economical. Other Rogers Drums products, like the wood Powertone snare might be a better option for you if you need that vintage Ohio-style tone. And if you need modern, maybe you need to check out Tama Drums, Pearl Drums, or even Yamaha. All the big Japanese manufacturers make incredible modern sounding drums. Or, opt for something from Europe! Sonor Drums still produces some of the most forward-thinking product designs int he drum world. The SQ2 snares are just insane. And if I can get my hands on one, you know I'm going to make a video with it!
To compliment the great snares in the video here, I've got my Ludwig Classic Maple drum set in Heritage Green lacquer. It's got a 20x14" kick drum, 12x8" tom, plus 14x14" and 16x16" floor toms. I use DW 6000 Ultralight cymbal stands plus a few other DW and Pearl odds n' ends. And for cymbals, I've got Turkish Cymbals here - 15" Millennium Hi Hats, 20" Meta Crash, 22" Millennium Ride, a Clap3 Stack, and a 24" Paper Thin Dark Dry Ride Prototype.
Audio was captured with two Universal Audio Apollo x8p interfaces using 1073 preamp modeling. Mics include:
- SE Electronics V-Kick (Kick In)
- Dr. Alien Smith Alien8 (Kick Out)
- Shure Unidyne III SM57 (Snare Top)
- Rode NT55 w/ Cardioid Capsule (Snare Top)
- Audio-Technica ATM650 (Snare Bottom)
- Sennheiser MD-421 (Each Tom)
- AKG C414 TLII Pair (Overheads)
- Apex 210B Ribbon into Soyuz Launcher (Room)
- Shure 588SB (Vocal)
I use Logic Pro X, Waves Audio plugins, and I love beef jerky.
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I've been getting so much use out of my old Supraphonic this year. First snare I bought and it still does the thing. The ultimate workhorse.
1,000%! That snare drum will literally do anything with the right heads, wires, and dampening. It's a shapeshifter.
This has quickly become my favorite drum-tube channel! Absolutely love all your videos.
Thank you 🙏
Yo, thank you so so much. That means the world. I appreciate you sticking around and watching all the nonsense that happens in my basement! lol
Same for me. This and DrumByLiz to be honest.
@@mellilore I'll have to look that other channel up. And thanks for the kind words!
I worked at American Music in Seattle for many years, and it made me smile so much to hear you talk about Gregg like that. I knew the second you pulled that drum out he built it. haha. He is truly one of a kind, just a grizzled, crotchety looking curmudgeon with the biggest heart of gold. Total sweet heart of a guy. He used to stop by the shop a few times a week, making his rounds. He'd hang in the drum shop for hours, chatting with local drummers and swapping stories.
Such a good dude. I worked in a music shop through college too, so I know those types of hangs. I cherish those moments too, and it’s so special that Gregg was one of those kind of regulars for you!
American Music used to be sooo bad ass. They had the contracts for all of the big Seattle music festivals, had a store in South Center, Tacoma, and Seattle. Loved that shop. .. Greg is a beast and I’m proud to own one of his drums. .
Loved this! That last drum has such a great story.
Thanks homie. I appreciate it!!
My Pearl Ferrone Signature has been my go to for what seems like decades now. It’s so versatile. Records so clean and sits in perfectly no matter what style.
I sold my Ferrone 2 days ago after too many years of passing over it for some of my other options. I have to admit that as the guy was trying it out, I was feeling some regret. It’s awesome! But I needed to thin the herd, and the fellow who bought it had to sell his own Ferrone years ago to pay some bills, and he was happy. Glad that drum will get some attention! Every studio had them in the 2000’s.
@@Drumbo_Limbo I totally get it. The new owner will for sure get mileage out of it, and if you’re thinning the herd and that’s the thing you got rid of, I’m sure you have some incredible snares still at the house!
@@timbofromkeno I’m keeping a buncha crap that the marketing wizards would call “bespoke”: absolute junk by the jerks at Sugar, Craviotto, Noble & Cooley, INDe, Doc Sweeney, Ludwig, blah blah blah. Also, “thinning the herd” = selling 3 before I buy 6 more, so…
@@Drumbo_Limbo lol Too funny.
I have a Supra & Acro. Have had a Black Beauty, have a jazz fest, and have or had countless others.
One drum I’d like to have back is a Pearl, Marvin “Smitty” Smith 4x14 copper, 10 lug snare. That drum did so many things great. I sold it cause I had to have a 60’s jazz fest. And I’d go back in time instantly and never make that switch. That Pearl drum is weirdly wonderful
You're like the cool friend you keep for life. Inspiring, kind, thoughtful and a true leader! Super Ludwig was bangin!
You're too kind! I appreciate it. And I really love that Super Ludwig too. Such a wonderful drum!
Amen on the SuperLudwig. Not by chance the "de luxe" version of the most recorded snare drum in history.
I would love to own one of those 20s drums at some point!
14 x 5
"You can't do something beefy with that."
Twap!
"I stand corrected."
Probably a case of being attracted to the novel, but that Slingerland is something special.
Frankenstein kit would be ALL snares, from piccolos to marching just so you wouldn't have to choose just one.
Honorable mention- Pork Pie BoB
hahahaha I'm glad I could show you something different! And I'll tell you what - I sing the praises of the BoB and the Ludwig Black Magic snare all the time. Even though they're a "budget drum," they got soooooo muchhhh goodness that comes out of them tonally.
Have you ever hit any of those Slingerland drums in person? They're a ton of fun.
@@timbofromkeno To me, Slingerland is synonymous with jazz (for obvious reasons), so thinking of them outside of snappy buzz rolls, I dunno.
But that one speaks so differently; it's like confusion during college, and... I need a cold shower.
@@quintessenceSL hahahaha Well, people think of Zildjian KCons are jazz cymbals, and people always ask about those cymbals when I'm using them over like punk and metal songs, so I think good drum gear is good drum gear!
Keppy and noble zildj are the two best heavy metal snares ever and you had both on here! For lighter ones I go 1st gen pearl sensitones and Chicago era black beauties. . For aluminums I like noble alloy classic and gretsch solid.
The Chicago-era BBs are unreal drums. And the Kep is so good too. There are too many good drums out there to count!
The N&C classic alloy is a sleeper. You gotta be a nerd to know that one! haha That is SUCH a great drum!!
My Ludwig Supraphonic LM400 5x14 from 1976 and my Slingerland No. 130 Gene Krupa Sound King 5x14 chrome over brass late 60's early 70's are probably my favorites. I also have my first snare drum from 1968 that was made by TAMA before they were called TAMA. It's wood but cool so I'll add it here too.
I love those old Japanese drums. My favorite come out of the Yamaha factory from way back in the day. And it has nothing to do with sound - just the finishes. If you haven't google 'em, you should look for the Yamaha Drums catalogs of the 60s an 70s. They made some really wild wraps, man. Worth a peek!
Tim, great list of metal snares. I own the Acrolite, Supraphonic and the Slingerland brass Sound King although mine is the 12 lug Spitfire version from the late 80s. Excellent and funny video as always!
Thank you! You've got quite the collection. If you've got the Spitfire and actually know what it is, then you might remember the 2-to-1 snare too. It had a 12-lug top hoop and it had 6 lugs on the bottom. That was a wild little drum. Slingerland wasn't afraid to experiment, and I loved that about the brand.
My favorite go to snare is the Tama Stewart Copeland signature series almost a Supraphonic knock off with Japanese quality at an affordable price for a used one
And it's brass too, which is my favorite material for snare drum. I played one of those Copeland signature drums almost 15 years ago, and I totally agree that it's a wonderful snare. I'll have to pick one of those up sooner than later and give it a smack again!
Supraphonic 6.5 will always be the greatest
It's a GOAT for sure!!
@@timbofromkenoalways enjoy your videos, an unique way to take the message ... Missing others amazing snare the 6.5x14 Ludwig chrome over brass 1960's and the bronze 80-90's
@@Uzziel_lay_drums So glad you enjoy the content. And each of us will NEVER have enough snares. 😂😂
I prefer the 14 x 5 vs the 6.5
@@brent3760 They're both great drums for sure! : )
That Slingerland 6x14 10 Lug is awesome!! Loved it.
Such a good drum. Thanks for watching, Danny!!
That Kep is a 6 lugger? If so, that's crazy rare. I've never seen one. I love my 90's Ayotte-Kep snare! It just has it's own vibe; the Kep shell with the wood hoops. Special combo. Happy Friday, Timbo!
It is a six-lugger! Super rare for sure. I don't know how many of those are out there, but I'm glad this one is in my possession for now.
The Ayotte-Keps are great too. Very very cool drums!
Happy Friday. Enjoy your weekend too!!
Tim, this video is excellent. You can tell a lot of time and love went into it. It turns out I've been sleeping on Slingerlands! Not that you asked but my two favorite metal drums that I own are my 14x5 Sugar aluminum and 14x6.5 AnF raw brass. That one is a whole vibe.
Thanks so much for the kind words. You’ll have to pick up a Slingerland at some point. I think you’d definitely dig it if you like those other few drums. And the old Slingerland stuff is usually WAY cheaper than the new stuff!
I'm not sure if it is the equalizing or other effects being used, but i think you'd be able to tell the differences better if you didnt have all that on the recording. Just my opinion.
That's kind of the point, though, too. While you're going to hear more differences if the drum is in front of you OR if there's minimal mics and processing in a video, this video kind of shows you that SO many drums can be the best. SO many drums can sound perfect ... if people can learn how to pick a good drum, pick the right heads, tune it up well, and then hit it well (especially in the context of the rest of kit). So, just some food for thought. : )
Great content Tim. Love a history lesson. Plus a shout out to Tim. Outstanding. Those Slingerlands are underrated. All the best my friend.
Thanks much! Yeah, Tim is such a good dude. And the Slingerlands are totally underrated!! Big love, dude.
I picked up an ancient Gretsch 5.5" COB while touring Europe years back for about £20. It was just the hoops & shell, needed a lot of fixing, but ended up being my most versatile snare. It had weird hoops, not sure if they were very heavy stamped hoops or very light cast, but they made it a perfect all rounder. I loved the strainer mechanism too, bomb proof & easy to work. Modern Gretsch have thicker cast hoops, not the same.
Man, that's awesome. I guess I need to start touring Europe! haha
@@timbofromkeno you got offered all sorts all the time. My biggest regret is when I played a gig near the Paiste factory in Switzerland, took a wander round town next day, found a music shop & checked it out. They had a pair of blue label 14" 602 sound edge hihats, used, £140 (they were £200 new at the time so not that cheap tbh). They looked new to me so I asked the shop guy about them & he says he goes to the factory regular, these were the quality control pair paste used to compare all others to, but the range discontinued now so paiste sold him them. I asked to try them & mate, they were amazing, just perfect. I could have afforded them, but only just, & they weren't what I really needed for gigging at the time, so I backed out. Imagine what they'd be worth now tho, cos blue label 602 turned out to be peak paiste & the 14" sound edge the most iconic model. I didn't know that then though... Oh well!
@@papalegba6796 At least you've got one heck of of a story out of that experience. Incredible, man!
@@timbofromkeno cheers fella! Btw I love this channel, you're a real drum guy I can tell. Please don't take offence at any of my comments, the 80s/90s were a revolutionary time in drums, living through it as a jobbing pro was crazy, every year everything changed lol & everybody wanted the newest sound. If you weren't rich or sponsored you had to be real careful how you spent your cash. Like with the Yamaha 9000, first time I sat behind a set I thought "these are the best made drums I've ever seen". Then I played em & thought "but I hate them". They just didn't do it for me man. I've said elsewhere about Sonor though, never owned any but touring Europe I got to play a few & they are a blast, nothing like them. That crazy 12 lugs snare, I was playing a gig in a ski resort, light music really, a nothing gig, but I said to the guys "I'm playing a solo at the end of song X tonight, don't try stop me" cos I just had to take it for a ride lol. The audience didn't know wtf I was doing or why 😂
@@papalegba6796 Too funny, man. Thanks for all the kind words. Always happy to chat about this stuff and swap stories - especially with folks in Europe. I don't get to chat with guys from that side of the world that often!
nice video... just a comment on the acrolite vs. supraphonic. One of the big differences is that the Supra is chrome over aluminum. The chrome gives a whole other sound. Wetter, harder and more highend and tad more lowend. The acro is raw aluminum with paint/lacquer of different kinds (depending on the production year).
Yeah, the plate can change the sound for sure! I think the lug count also makes a big difference between the Supra and Acro. And when it comes to the Acro, I think paint changed the tone through the 80s and 90s, especially with the later orange peel paint and the black galaxy finish (as they were pretty heavy).
Great video, and I LOVE the Keppy stories. I've been lucky to have had many a chat with him up here in Seattle, and he's actually doing a 10,000 mile checkup on my 8x14" stainless right now. He's the best kinda drum builder, and he's one of my favorite people. I can't wait to record with my Keppy Ayotte too. Shout out to Sean T. Lane!!
Thank you! Kep is the greatest, and Sean is a big sweetheart too (and a phenomenal player). I cannot imagine how loud a 14x8 stainless snare is, though!! 😂😂😭
I love my Slingerland 14 x 5 chrome over brass. That thing records so freakin' well. Did a session recently and it sounded amazing at three wildly different tunings.
There's something so special about those shells. They don't sound like the Ludwig stuff. And honestly, I don't know of anything that sound quite like them at all. They've got a VERY distinct sound, and I'm all about it!!
Awesome video! I fell in love with that 14x5 Slingerland so I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for one... I think it would be cool if you made a simple list of the drums in the video description and/or video chapters for the different drums. For easier referencing!
Thanks Jon. Yeah, that COB is so so good, especially if you can find the student level 8-lug model. There's nothing else around that sounds quite like it!!
I am a vintage Ludwig metal snare fan...
I have the 70' Lm400
67 Acrolite, 1920 Black Beauty 5x14, 70 black beauty 5x14, 70 black beauty 6.5x14, 1920 Ludwig nickel over brass and pre serial Ludwig chrome over brass... Never wrong with Ludwig vintage metal snares
Nothing wrong indeed! That is a fine, fine collection. You're one lucky drummer!!
@@timbofromkeno i forgot my 6.5 blue olive badge Ludwig smooth bronze 1980
@@Uzziel_lay_drums I used to own one of those bronze snares. So rad!!
I'm partial to the sound of black nickel over brass snare drums, but i love 'em all essentially! Supa cool video!
Gotta love good drums - period! hahaha But I'll go to the grave with my 14x65." Ludwig Black Beauty. That drum is stunner.
Damn Tim you know how to hit it home. Very touching words towards the end of the video. This is what's it all about. The love of drums. Hitting circular plastic on cylindrical pieces of wood with wooden sticks and making incredible sounds. And hopefully you get to make a few friends along the way. Thanks Tim!
That’s literally it! Glad you dig the video, dude. 😁👊
This may be the best UA-cam channel EVER! More please
Duuuuude, thank you so much for the kind words. More to come for sure!!
@@timbofromkeno Thank you for the entertainment! We could go on for days about great snares but I have one honorable mention…the supralite! Find me another $150 snare that sounds that good. Steel baby..FTW
@@Garagedrummer DUDE - Yes!! I have been on the lookout for a 14x4 Supralite for YEARS. They're so hard to freakin' find! hahaha
The Slingerland Gene Krupa COB model should always be stored flat (in a case) in order to preserve and protect the roundness of the thin brass shell!
That's a great idea. Thanks dude! : )
I absolutely loved the rimshot from the Gene Krupa, perfect for fat backbeats. But I didn't find it very versatile otherwise.
Don’t sleep on that Slingerland Sound King 6.5x14 brass. Both Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa both endorsed it in the 60s and 70s.
1,000%! Those old brass Sound Kings are FANTASTIC drums!!
This is one of the best snare comparison videos on UA-cam
Nick, man, thank you!!
I have several (many) snare drums….both wood and metal…but my go to snare drums are my Ludwig’s !! I have a Ludwig 61/2 x14 limited edition Ludwig Acrolite that is absolutely my go to drum….it works great with every style of music that I’m playing !! Great video!! Thanks
Thanks for the kind words! I really want to land one of those newer 14x6.5 Acros. I have a few friends with them, and they never seem to play anything other than those snares! 😂
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I use a Remo hazy head on the bottom and a Remo p77 batter head and a pure sound 24 strand snare wire ! It is by far my best tuning and sounding snare !!
I was taught not to come of the snare onto the toms for fills it was a great tip don't see alot of drummers doing it sounds classyer going straight on to toms then finishing on the snare and cymbal at same time ❤️🧡💛💜❤️🧡💛🌞🌜🌟🌎🙏🌼🌸🌳🌴☺️
There’s a thousand ways to play the drums. Interesting to hear how you were taught back in the day!
It seems I also have what you have there: I only miss the 70's 6.1/2 Slingy and the unbranded first one in your list. I always end up with my Acros, when leaving home!
Why? Extremely lightweight and very very versatile.
Yeah, you can do anything with an Acro! It's a great snare drum for sure. And maybe you'll have to find one of those old brass Sound Kings sooner than later. You can never have enough snares! hahaha
Question: Whats the difference between a Black Beauty and a Super? One is black nickle over brass and the other is chrome? What are the other differences? Shell thinkness? Magic vs ????
There's definitely some magic involved. lol
They didn't start making the modern Black Beauty snares until the late 70s, so there's definitely some differences in the machining. And the COB Super 400 shell has a crimped snare bed, which seems to really affect the sound of that snare.
Another big difference is the hoop style. The Super 400 has 1.6 mm COB hoops top and bottom, and that makes a HUGE difference with the tone. My newer Black Beauty had diecast hoops on it when I got it, but I put cheapy steel 1.6 mm hoops. They just let the snare resonate in a way that's a little more preferable to me.
I think that's honestly about it. Hope that helps shed a little light on this stuff! : )
Great vid! I've got a Ludwig1920 6.5x14 NOB 2-piece (6 lug) that has the nickel fading away on a panel exposing the brass underneath. I always wonder about the history of these drums and how the heck I ended up with them. Great playing as always! I've got an Acro for sale now - I might be taking it down - having second thoughts...
Thanks Patrick. I've wanted one of those old two-piece shells for a long time. I think my Super 400 is just about as close as I'll ever get, but I'm not mad about it. lol
The thing about the Acrolite is that it's the perfect snare to throw in your car trunk just in case you need a drum at any point. Get a call to a session? You know you'll have a good snare. Seeing your friend's band and someone pops a snare head? You can come to the rescue. Need to take a nap? It can be a pillow too...well, it'd be uncomfortable, but you can make use of it somehow in that situation, I'm sure. lol
@@timbofromkeno I took down my Acro that was for sale and bought a 1910’s Ludwig 4x14 NOB 2-piece shell 6-lugs from Hawthorne Drums Shop. Thanks for the in inspiration! These brass shells are awesome!
I wouldn't be superised if your older brother or relative was the heavyweight boxer "Butterbean", you play like he fights-thats a total compliment huge sound and a style that keeps it exciting,possibly dangerous if people get to close.I recently bought a 6x14 late 90's black nickel over brass,die cast hooper 10luig,zoomatic is shitty but with puresound and a aquarian hi-energy head it fawking cracks like a 30-06. love your videos buddy
lol Too funny, Jeff. I appreciate the sentiment.
Those Hi-Energy heads from Aquarian are pretty interesting. There's nothing else quite like that on the market. Glad you're enjoying that drum!
And thanks again for the kind words!
That Slingerland sounded AMAZING!!! Holy shit, i didn’t realize how much I needed one….
Right?! Super underrated drums. With modern heads and wires, they rock!
You should have 1 Million subs. Amazing content, drumming, and personality.
Ah man. Thanks AF. I really appreciate it!
Really enjoyed this video Tim. I may have missed it, but what metal is the No.1 snare made from?
Thanks so much. I appreciate it. I think I might have forgotten to say the material, actually! hahaha It's a 14x6" stainless shell!
Terrific video!
I want to give a shout out to my personal metal drums of choice.
Trick drums all aluminum shells, made in Chicago, USA!
Those guys have made excellent drums for decades now. Those AL13 shells are so rad!
Great video and story about the Kep. I have a bunch of Snare drums but there is something about the Acrolite that always seems to get the most time between my legs😂.
Thanks much! Yeah, the Acrolite is one of those drums that you literally sit there with for hours, and every second is fun. With any head change, tuning change, or dampening change, it literally transforms into a completely different drum. It's like a Transformer. 🤣
What’s the size and shell on the keplinger? That’s one of my favorite records! Thanks for the great video!!
What a small world! Yeah, that record is great. The Kep is a 14x6" stainless steel shell. It's a BEAST! And thanks so much for the kind words!!
Love the story telling, watched every second
Ah! Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. More fun stuff to come!!
Great Video and fantastic choices in Snares
Thanks Uwe. I'm glad you got a kick out of it! : )
Gotta love the Despised Icon tee @17:52 Amazing choices, tones, & playing as always. Love my old early '60s Slingerland aluminium.
Man, thank you. I'm so glad you dig the content. I actually saw Despised Icon in Chicago when I was like 17. And when my band released some demoes around the same time, they actually told us they liked them. It was a super affirming moment.
I've got one of the ribbed aluminum Slingerlands in the basement now too. Definitely going to make a video on that!
@@timbofromkeno That's amazing! Both accounts. But same snare that I have as well! Nice & old. From '62-'64. Played the big skatepark, FDR park, in Philly with one of my bands. Thing cut through stacks with no problems. Yet, could easily go for the stereotypical 60s soul & funk aluminium dryness. Will look out for the vid! TY!
@@NicholasSantangeloDrummer That's so sick. What a well-traveled drum! I'll get that video into the queue soon for ya, my dude!!
The Super 400 is so damn expensive though. I heard that those drums where some of the inspiration for the Joyful Noise drums. I believe they also lead Yamaha to produce the Paul Leim Signature Snares back in the day
I didn't know that the Super 400 led to that Yamaha drum or the JN stuff. That's super interesting. But yeah, they can be very expensive. I got lucky and found my super super super SUPER dirty in a music shop for 250 bucks. I put many hours of cleaning and polishing into it to get it where it is today visually.
@@timbofromkeno Well, it´s also the Ludwig drums from the early twenties, which share the crimped snarebed. You guys are very spoiled over there in terms of getting lucky with these vintage drums haha. Btw. did you ever have an opportunity to check out some of sonors ferromanganese phonics? I´ve been using a 14x5,75" for some years now and so far it outclassed every other snare I´ve had
@@alzhaimar Yes! I know it's such a small difference, but that snare bed just does something to widen the sound of the snare-side head (if that makes sense). I love it!
And I have played some of those old ferro Sonor drums. They're incredible. I'm spending some time in Europe this fall, and I'm hoping to hit a few more before I come back to Chicago!
Tim! Love the longer format, very fun and informative. Actually on topic for once, I’ve been wanting a big fat brass snare sound in my life. I really want to hear all that sweet sweet brassy goodness. To really taste that shell tone should I go thinner shell or thicker? How about depth? Pint size piccolo or full chunggus amongus. Still searching for the bargain vintage Jawn but what are your thoughts on the pork pie stuff? Their brass stuff can be found quite cheap on the secondary market. As always classy video from a classy tuber, thanks for doing what you do!!!
@@johnrobertcorney Dude, you need the full chungus concerto! 😂😂😂 the Pork Pie BoB is a great place to start. You can often find them used for under 250 bucks. I think you’d love it!
the last one really slaps!
It's got it's own thing for surer. It's one of those drums that I don't pull out as often as I wished I would, but that's kind of fun too...because every time I hit that thing after months of not doing so, it reminds me why I originally bought it - because it's a beast! hahaha
Another great video and I loved that story on the last snare. I've always been a sucker for gear with a backstory. I've recently swapped to playing a steel snare and love it!
Hey duder! Thanks so much for the kind words. We all love gear that's more than just gear, right? That's what keeps me in the vintage game today!
And steel is a great material - especially stainless. I was just telling someone else this morning that the cool thing about stainless is that it's so refined that it almost sounds somewhere in between brass and titanium tonally. Such a fun metal to play around with. You'll have to try a Kep in a shop sometime if you haven't already. And crank it the heck up too!!
What an awesome video - thanks! I'll keep pounding away on my 1970 Luddy Standard S102 and make believe it's an Acrolite 404. Shhhh - no one needs to know!
Someone else just commented about having one of those snares. They're sleepers! So so so so good. It is just as good as an Acrolite!!
Shhhh - I told you no one needs to know! 😂😂😂
@@jeffschultz6813 hahahaha 🤣
what a wicked channel, your passion is infectious, very knowledgable, learned a lot about these snare drums, great playing too, subscribed with a smile 🙂
Yo, thank you so much for the kind words. It means a lot. More good stuff to come, I promise. I'm cookin' up some goodies as I type! And if you ever have any video theme requests or ideas, don't hesitate to holler. I'm all ears!
Nice collection. Ive had a few Ludwig snares myself. My favorite was/is the Coliseum. Big beautiful woody tones. My least favorite is super sensitive. Interesting concept. Over engineered. Lol. I know a dude who has a Keplinger. Loudest drum I've ever heard!!!
Keps are definitely the loudest! 😂 And I love the Coliseum-super cool oddball drum. The drummer from Fugazi famously used one, so I’d love to add one to the collection some day!
Bill Bruford has my favorite snare drum 😆
Fair! 😂👊
I _too_ love fun. Great video.
hahaha Good! Thanks for watching A.J. - and I appreciate the kind words too.
Easy choice the 5.5 cause I hate low tuned snares (because I rarely played them learning how to play)
Fair! Haha
Nice video, a suggestion : try to check the phase of your drum shells, specially the snare, sounds out of phase with the rest of the kit.
I would guess that this is because of the room mic. I use pretty heavy far room mic sounds as a stylistic choice, so that can be perceived as that sound. But I'll double-check phase again here soon. I'm doing a reset over the coming weeks! : )
@@timbofromkeno Keep the excellent work dude! Just found out you channel recently and already subbed! Cheers!
@@blacksaona Thanks so much. I appreciate it!!
Welp, I have a 14x6 Tama Starphonic aluminum snare, with patented "freedom lugs", "groove hoops", "linear-drive" strainer and... no complaints from me!!
No complaints from me on that drum either! It's basically refining the Supraphonic design to do something a little different - and it totally does. It's more focused with more cut. I tend to like a broader stroke with my snares, so that's why I like the Supra. But if I were playing rock or metal in a live setting, I'd totally consider snagging a Starphonic!
Damn that black beauty is so sweet looking! And to stumble on it, is a great find!
Thanks Gregory! I appreciate it. I put a lot of time into finding the right drum and then personalizing it as you see it today. With a little luck and a lot o' work, I definitely got a keeper! : )
Awesome video! I for years never cared for metal snares (for lack of just paying any mind to them) and from experience of playing them on other kits, until a few months back I bought a Ludwig Standard Aluminum snare when screwing around at a used gear shop, thing weighs nothing, price is relatively cheap for a snare, and I was blown away by the tone it had I couldn’t quite nail with wood. I have a nice C&C wooden snare and sounds nice but doesn’t come close to the standard in versatility! Thing also had a modern Ludwig throw off and replaced heads and feels like it’s been loved. Been interested in more metal snares and this vid was very helpful, the Super 400 and the chrome over brass Slingerland were my two favs and will def keep an eye out for em. Ps that Olive Green on your Ludwig’s looks sick!
Thanks for all the kind words. That's super kind! Those Ludwig Standard aluminum snares are sleepers. I think Carter McLean has made a video or two on them, and that should say everything you need to know about the drum - it's a groover! C&C makes great drums too. I've owned a couple Gladstone kits and a much older Keller shell kit (that I definitely regret selling).
You'll have to try and find a decent deal on an LM400 or LM402 one day. If you like that Ludwig Standard snare, you'll LOVE a Supra!
Love my Rogers COB DYNA- but grew up playin my fathers wooden dyna. It just depends on ur mood. Great vid bud!
Thanks Brian. You’re a lucky dude to have had a wooden Dyna around the house. Do you still have it? What finish was it?
Red onyx@@timbofromkeno
Yes still have. @@timbofromkeno
@@MoneyGrip70 Incredible. That’s a gem!
Try dat@@timbofromkeno
I love everything about this video. Very cool brother! Love all of them, I am partial to the Slingerland drums as I have the 70s versions of both. But they are all great and I love the story of drum #1
Thanks dude! I love the 70s version of those COB drums. The TDR throw is so well-built. I think they started using that in the late 70s too. Ahead of its time!
Damn that Slingerland 6.5x14 brass snare is sexy sounding!! 😅 ❤ Thanks again Tim 🤙
Yeah buddy! Love that drum. Thank YOU! 😁👊
hey Timbo, absolute loving that olive green ludwig kit... could you share specs? (sizes, year..etc)! thanks❤
Hey dude. Thanks so much for the comment. I've got a whole video on that green kit. Here's a link: ua-cam.com/video/AFVFxYLj8rs/v-deo.html
That kit started as a 20x14, 12x8, 14x14 standard Downbeat Classic Maple Ludwig outfit purchased direct from the manufacturer in 2018. I added a 10x7 and a 16x16 a few years after purchasing the original three drums. It's the kit that's going to the grave with me! haha
@@timbofromkeno just went thru the video, great stuff, i definitly need a Derek🤣
@@kspocketngroove3973 lol Everyone needs a Derek! 🤣
What snare drum heads are you using?
I use a few! Mainly, it’s either the Evans UV2 or the Evans Heavyweight/Heavyweight Dry.
The Camco story is much more complicated. George Way Drums were taken over by Camco (hostile), and in '77, DW got the rights to sell the hardware, while Tama has the blueprints desgns etc.
Ronn Dunnett is running George Way Drums now, with the original spirit in tact.
Yeah, I heard the Camco takeover was hostile. Such ha shame, but I'm glad Ronn has everything up and running again now!
And re: the DW/Tama stuff, I appreciate the insight. That's super informative. Thank you!!
Great video BTW! I've subscribed! 🤘🎵
@@mlhbrx96 Man, thank you. More fun stuff to come!!
Thank you for this video. 27 minutes well spent.
Jason! Man, that is super kind of you to say. I really appreciate you sticking around and catching the whole thing. Seriously, thank you!
@@timbofromkeno I’m enjoying your other videos, great information and extremely well spoken. BTW killer playing and your drums sound amazing. Well done Sir!
@@Jasonehodge Ah man. Thank you!! More stuff to come. And if you ever have any video ideas, don't hesitate to shout 'em out. I'm always happy to try and craft something around a theme!
Kep made Matt Cameron's snares as well.
Didn't he tech live for Matt too?
Gregg built some WILD drums for Matt. Gregg told me he built a 14" snare for Matt once that had offset 12" snare wires on it, just to see what that'd do. I would LOVE to have heard that thing.
Your channel needs waaaay more subs! Love your channel!
Ah man. Thank you. More stuff to come! : )
I enjoyed this video. From the seven snares you selected the Slingerland Chrome over Brass would be my pick for sure - and out of the ones I own it’s a Yamaha Brass Recording Custom.
Thanks for checking out the video! I love the older brass snare drums from so many brands, and Yamaha is no exception. One day, I'd really like to get one of those 14x3.5" brass snares they did years and years ago. There's nothing else out there that sounds quite like that thing!
6.5x14 chrome over brass Slingerland is the best in this video. 👍
That is a GREAT snare. I love those things.
my favorite metal snare is a 6.5x14 legend bronze phosphor X_X
That’s a great drum!!
great episode!!! the KEP story is great!!! Derek is the MAN!!!
Yo, thank you. That Kep has some EPIC history for sure. And I love Derek. Such a wealth of knowledge and skills!
Gimme a Yamaha oak custom and I'll die a happy boy
the 14x8 one
Oh dude, YES. That's such a great shell!
crazy chops on display today!!!! Plus you really really know your stuff dude
Thanks homie!!
These videos are wicked!
Thanks Alex! So glad you dig this stuff. I’ve got a TON of snare content coming up soon. Keep an eye out!
Gold as always man! Noticed at the end you had the edges on the green luds done. Cleaning up factory work or changing the edge?
Changing the edge for sure. From the factory, the Classic Maple stuff usually comes with a single 45 degree cut on the inside. I just add a smidge of roundover to the outside. Nothing crazy. I'm going to make a video about that soon! : )
Snares=Women. All different, beautiful in distinctive unique ways. Good stuff.
There ya go! Thanks for the kind words, Robert!!
I get a lot of use out of a drumcraft bronze snare. Its 14x6 and I got it for $300 at Sam Ash. I believe Sam Ash bought out stock from a warehouse since the company was pretty much going under. It's the only drum I use, it does it all for me haha
Funny you mention that. I recently cleaned up a local drummer's 14x5.5-ish (maybe 6) Tama bronze snare. And man, that thing was killer. I typically don't like the overtones that come out of bronze and copper, but sometimes you find one that is just magic.
And do you remember those cast aluminum drums Drumcraft did? I've always wanted one!
@@timbofromkeno i do know of those cast aluminum ones! never played one, but theyre sick!
@@coolatta1 Super sick for sure!!
I DECLARE GODDESS OMG I LOVE YOU TIMBO.
hahahaha I'm so pumped someone actually knew the origin of that clip!!!
@@timbofromkeno MASSIVE Big Chocolate fan here. That video is a core memory for me and all my metalhead friends growing up hahaha.
@@snackarytaylor hahahaha YES!
80's Tama Imperial Star 14*6.5...#1
I'm trying to get my hands on one of those for a video, especially since I've seen Anika Nilles using the 5" depth version a lot lately!
Man I love the I Declare Goddess video
It's so good. Classic! hahaha
No bronze shells in your collection?
I’ve owned a few bronze and copper drums, but I just prefer brass. : )
Vintage Tama Bell Brass, if you're a bank loan officer.!
lol If I had the cash, there'd be one in my basement right now!
amazing video man! love your playing style!
Thanks Nahuel. I really appreciate it!
Timbo with the Despised Icon tee 😍
YES! I loved that band growing up. Saw them in Chicago in the mid 2000s, and they even commented on my band's music on Myspace when that was a thing ... Suddenly, I'm feeling old. LOL
@@timbofromkeno wow that's awesome! Alex's drumming was so powerful, I couldn't get away from playing my sticks butt-end-forward after watching his videos
@@ReeBPM And that dude played with MARCHING STICKS. Incredible. hahaha
@@timbofromkeno MONSTER!!
Love the sample at 18:50. What is that? And in 93 my singer had a Slingerland kit and I was playing your number 2 snare and he had the smaller 5” version. I loved both! The one snare may have had a top hoop with the rim bent towards the center. Killer sound.
Thanks again, man. That's another one of my drumless track - linked in the description for sure! Those old COB Slingys are so good, man, even when they're bent up! LOL
@@timbofromkeno I now remember the throw off being messed up and my buddy who owned a hardware store and was also a machinist made the throw off better than it was from the factory!
@@williamperri3437 Ludwig needs to give that man a job (only because Slingerland is defunct)! LOL
@@timbofromkeno 😊 The sub $1000 drum kit that Slingerland made in the late 80s early or early 90s that my singer owned was awesome! The snare drum came with that kit and even though it may have been a little bit newer it was the identical snare drum.
What , no Rogers DynaSonic ? No PowerTone ?
No SuperTen ?
All great drums! You know, I had a three-ply Cleveland-made wood Powertone in steel grey ripple. And man, that snare kicked the heck out of any other vintage or modern wood snare that I owned. It was a stunner!
Can you do a lesson on golden doodles! 😂🥁❤
YES 😂😂😂
Once he hits the brass 💃
YES! hahahaha
LOVE!!!!!
Thanks big homie!
TV Show❤ Damnit!
Great video, as always!
Thanks Tobias!! 😁👊
acrolite 2:47 , Supraphonic 6:14 , Super 400 11:28 , Black Beauty 14:07
Lots of Ludwig! 😂👊
@@timbofromkeno How many Ludwig Snare Drums is too many...
@@JackNiles No such thing! Hahaha
@@timbofromkeno One of each, or two, or three...
17:10 nice shirt Timbo
That's one of my favorite records of all time!
@@timbofromkeno one of my too!
Rogers Powertone 8 Lug COB
That's another great snare drum. I've owned a few!
This was really enjoyable. Your enthusiasm is fantastic. I'm glad the 6.5 Slingerland made your list. It's been one of my favorite drums for decades.
There are so many boutique drums these days that you could have dozens and dozens of other drums to include.
That said there is one drum that I can't afford but would include on any list of non-wood drums. The Dunnett titanium drum would be in my top 5 drums and perhaps top 2.
Thanks so much for the kind words. And I totally agree on the boutique note. That's so real! haha
I haven't played Dunnett's titanium drums, but I did get my hands on a VK (made in the UK) once. That was the loudest drum I've ever heard in my life!!
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If I was going to get a titanium drum, I think I'd get one of the 6 1/2" Ludwig "The Chief" models. The shells were made by Ronn Dunnett, but they were beaded and outfitted with Ludwig hardware. New school tech. Old school looks. Can't beat that!
What a nice Video ❤
Thanks dude. Glad you got a kick out of it!
Nice work sir!
Thanks Nick. I'm literally editing your video right now!
My Rogers Powertone is a booomer. It's loud and snappy
I love those too! And I remember a time when you could pick them up for under a hundred bucks!
$19.99 at the thrift@@timbofromkeno
Yhe best Ludwig supra !!
Such a good drum!!
I think your explanation of where overtones in a drum hit come from is not completely correct. The sound, including the overtones all come from the vibrating heads (and the snare wires). The shell actually doesn’t vibrate, or at least not to any degree that it’s audible. The difference in tone from different shell materials has to do with how each material dampens the vibrating air inside the drum. So for example wood dampens high frequencies more than steel. This also means that drum designs that ‘allow the shell to resonate more freely’ are a little bit bs. The most they can do is reducing the dampening done by the shell.
This is an interesting approach to explaining the relationship between the elements of the drum and the sound each creates. I really dig this. And I totally agree with your ideas on shell composition and how that relates to the creation of the final drum tone. The only other element to consider here is the bearing edge.
Where some manufacturers may use language about the shell resonating more freely, a slight change to talk about the drum heads resonating might be more true. And so much of that is going to come down to bearing edge profile and the relationship between that profile and the shell material and the relationship between all that and the heads/tuning.
Drums, man. Who would've thought it'd have to sound this complicated?! lol
Following and sub’d!
Brandonnnn! Thank you, my dude. ❤️👊
Awesome video!
Thanks dude!