I think Ava was spot on about the language around migration. Even those people in the UK we refer to as migrants, why do we call British people living overseas ex-pats ?
It drives me nuts, but it's not just us. I'm a British emigrant in Italy, and I've had genuine arguments with Italians who insist that I don't count as an "immigrant". It's just brown people.
I believe we call people who moved out of the UK ex-pats because we are from the persepective of their origin, where was for the people of the country these people move to will call them immigrants. It also matters about culture. related cultures wont consider someone to be an immigrant where as more foreign cultures would be immigrants. As a child to "immigrants" from southern asia, even I consider people from there etc to be immigrants where as say, canadians and aussies I wouldnt even consider to be foreign countries, just other countries but not foreign like france etc. I guess culture, relations and public persepective matters alot in this case
@@anonymoususerinterface So glad I got that as a response because I got the subtlety in the difference even as I wrote it. I agree with your explanation fully and I think we kind of agree in a sense lol
It's doubly ironic when you see enclaves of Brits living in places like the Costa Blanca where they have British pubs, British Restaurants and their own British radio station, they don't speak a word of Spanish and don't socialise with anyone with other Brits. Then these same people complain about foreigners not integrating and vote for Brexit
From the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary: "Many people in Britain think of typical British expats as people who live an easy relaxed life in some warm country, meeting each other often for drinks and other social events, and having little contact with local people." They're only there for the weather and the cheap food and booze - not really the type of immigrant any country would really want to attract, and in all all honesty we are better off without them!
It’s mostly coming from his wife. Keir initially refused to work Friday evening for her. Now she’s furious about that and is grabbing all she can. She’s very similar to Kate Middleton nee goldsmith.
Visual interest! They're looking very squashed up against the background though, maybe move them forward a foot or so? The wide shot also feels a little low down, we're almost peering under the table, hard to judge though. The bookcase is a decent start, though books + fake plants is little blandly Ikea showroom-esque, so over time you probably want to add in Pol Joe souvenirs, easter eggs, framed picture of Ollie, stuff like that to make it more personal. Robot arms are much less robot arms now too!
Clothing debate is a confirmation that "just because you can, it doesn't mean that you should" - KS may have been within the rules but do they really need to take those gifts? It's questionable as to whether any "donations" like this are required by any MP, of any party.
It's easy to solve the "migrant crossing crisis". Just allow application in any British Embassy in the world so nobody needs to make the crossing to apply
Not quite that simple. In some countries, Embassies don't operate. In some without a UK Embassy, an agreement would have to be reached with whatever Commonwealth country (if any) *does* operate an Embassy (since normally those Embassies will extend assistance to UK citizens but may not operate a full range of diplomatic services). In others, the chances of a citizen of that country being able to approach the Embassy, are close to zero. Embassies may be (in effect) soverign territory but the streets / land around them, are not. I suspect were it that simple, somebody in the Civil Service would have spotted it by now :-D
The point is Starmer spent his life criticising Boris now he himself is in number 10 he is doing exactly the same. Plus before the election Starmer was always banging on about cleaning up politics & being more transparent. Doesn't it make him look stupid & a hypocrite?.
@@Pobotrol The point is Starmer spent years slating Tory sleaze now has proved 100 % his nose is in the trough also.If you wanna lick your ass & call it chocolate be my guest but the rest of us are not so deluded.
I think sometimes you should mix it up and add a flaming hellscape to your background. Just imagining you lot talking with a burning background is kinda funny (Plus representative of the state of this country).
When I saw the headline on Sunday I suddenly felt like an old man shouting at the TV. How fucking hard is it to put some coast guards out there TO SAVE FUCKING LIVES. I don’t care where they end up but it is a stain upon our country that we can’t do something about this. It’s blood on British hands - where is this fucking Dunkirk spirit I heard about at school. I couldn’t bring myself to comment on the Grenfell episode because, frankly, it’s upsetting and I thought it was handled beautifully, tactfully and empathetically by Laura and Ava. But I’m so fucking tired of politicians refusing to stand for anything anymore they’re all just career nonces who ought to have their salaries capped at the level of their commitment to humanitarian causes. (Whatever the fuck that means) I was in Vietnam teaching English when Grenfell happened and I am haunted to this day by it not because I had any direct contact with the victims but because I saw in real time the perception of my country go up in smoke. I was watching on the news and it was late so I had no one to talk to I walked to the 24/7 to buy some cigarettes and the shop keeper asked me where I was from, I told him, the look in his eyes is what haunts me - he simply could not understand how this could happen - bear in mind this is a country where the union jack is worn as a fashion symbol. Something to show your belief in certain values, little five year olds have back packs emblazoned with it as they cling to their parent on the back of a scooter as they make their way to school hoping and wishing and praying that they could one day come to such great place… It fills my heart with such anguish and deep sadness that those same dreams are what drown in the channel again and again and again - Was it not two years ago a pregnant woman drowned in there in winter. Close your eyes and imagine making that choice stood on the shore. Imagine the fear she must’ve felt as the cold water hit her skin for the first time and the deep regret as the realisation set in that she was going to die. All because she wanted a better life for her unborn child. The callousness of this island is a far far cry from what I used to think this place and its values were.
Ace&Tate have one of the most amazing pun names I have ever seen. Specsavers get me prescription glasses ,prescription sunglasses, I pay under a hundred quid total. That is the way xDDD
4:40 good to see Ava finally hard launch the boyfriend she’s been talking around for months - also is someone forcing Ed to try a new Gen Z haircut every time he goes away? It’ll be full curtains next
I'm an italian living in England since birth. Tell Starmer to get back home in a rush. No time for fooling the British with a fake show of things he won't bloody do.
So bloody laughable Italy giving starmer inspiration for something Rwanda was starting to do and we pay them four million pounds for the privilege another bloody fiasco
@@steveblundell7766 members of a party that directly descends from Mussolini's fascist party. Wondering why it is controversial/apparently hilarious to point out that the heirs to Mussolini are literal neo-fascists (as opposed to say Farage and Reform who have neo-fascist tendencies but more of a debate around whether they are actually neo-fascist or not)?
@@stephenwood2172 oh dear what a childish leap of logic, do you make a special effort not to understand or learn anything? Mussolini was how long ago, 80 years? the world has changed a little bit since then .. maybe start by looking at the Italian PMs current platform and public statements, I'm sure there is much there to criticise without the need to show off irrelevent stuff you remember from school history lessons
@@s3lfl3ssn3ss pensioners and older people voted for the 14 years of Tory government - they are 100% to blame. Tax the rich, tax property, tax pensions.
@@cameronfateweaver2206 What about the pensioners who are struggling financially? Shouldn't you be taxing middle-income earners first if they are wealthier than the poorer pensioners?
I dont understand whats wrong with accepting gifts. Do people not give gifts on this planet anymore? Fair enough it would be a problem if it was in exchange for a dodgy contract, but thats not happened...
True enough but it's a specific rule that anything gifted to an MP over a certain value has to be declared. In this case, Starmer's team discovered that his wife's dresses should've been declared but they weren't.
@@acolyte10mg like I say, his team discovered it, in all fairness the right we're very quick to say "Leave his wife out of it" when it was discovered Rishi's wife resent a tonne of money from government contracts but are as quick to say "Can't be afford clothes for his wife?" With this. I suspect it's because of their value.
A gift like a present is fine. This is a Labour donor. There is a great deal of difference between political influences and impartiality that just a one of present from a friend.
Speaking of clothes, why pander to sadiq khan a man who sees London nightlife failing as ‘progressive’ as it fits with his behind doors values. I don’t agree with all Ava’s positions but boy does he not respect you when cameras are off. Yiu should also ask sadiq why he socialises with lebdevev so much when the majority of readers of paper arent from London
The “new” set still looks like a green screen fr
Ed is AI
@@UkSapyy Yeah if you look closely you can see they're not casting any shadows on it
Should David Lammy and other politicians not be asking donors to give clothes to homeless charities or food to foodbanks ?
yea tax them and fund school meals. these kids are going to be workers one day.
Perhaps a cretin who is critiscising somebody for not being British should ditch the NY Yankees T-Shirt. Pathetic.
Wow, loving the brighter settings folks....hardly makes your experience any better doing the show, but I like it !!
"Just personality", nice comeback Ed.
Lovely set
I miss the darker set. It gave it a more casual evening chat feel to it. This feels more like an office pod
I think Ava was spot on about the language around migration. Even those people in the UK we refer to as migrants, why do we call British people living overseas ex-pats ?
It drives me nuts, but it's not just us. I'm a British emigrant in Italy, and I've had genuine arguments with Italians who insist that I don't count as an "immigrant". It's just brown people.
I believe we call people who moved out of the UK ex-pats because we are from the persepective of their origin, where was for the people of the country these people move to will call them immigrants. It also matters about culture. related cultures wont consider someone to be an immigrant where as more foreign cultures would be immigrants. As a child to "immigrants" from southern asia, even I consider people from there etc to be immigrants where as say, canadians and aussies I wouldnt even consider to be foreign countries, just other countries but not foreign like france etc. I guess culture, relations and public persepective matters alot in this case
@@anonymoususerinterface So glad I got that as a response because I got the subtlety in the difference even as I wrote it. I agree with your explanation fully and I think we kind of agree in a sense lol
It's doubly ironic when you see enclaves of Brits living in places like the Costa Blanca where they have British pubs, British Restaurants and their own British radio station, they don't speak a word of Spanish and don't socialise with anyone with other Brits.
Then these same people complain about foreigners not integrating and vote for Brexit
From the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary:
"Many people in Britain think of typical British expats as people who live an easy relaxed life in some warm country, meeting each other often for drinks and other social events, and having little contact with local people."
They're only there for the weather and the cheap food and booze - not really the type of immigrant any country would really want to attract, and in all all honesty we are better off without them!
I can hardly buy my own clothes either, Kier. Probably not for the same reasons though
It’s mostly coming from his wife. Keir initially refused to work Friday evening for her. Now she’s furious about that and is grabbing all she can. She’s very similar to Kate Middleton nee goldsmith.
“Long range a missile” Some of these Ava zingers are slept on… in defence.
Visual interest! They're looking very squashed up against the background though, maybe move them forward a foot or so? The wide shot also feels a little low down, we're almost peering under the table, hard to judge though. The bookcase is a decent start, though books + fake plants is little blandly Ikea showroom-esque, so over time you probably want to add in Pol Joe souvenirs, easter eggs, framed picture of Ollie, stuff like that to make it more personal.
Robot arms are much less robot arms now too!
That’s a good facebook marketplace find. And generous of Oli to donate his book collection. Points to anyone that spotted his well worn copy of 1984.
Been to order his new suits really , paid by guess who , genie in a bottle ALI
Ava pointing out that cutting foreign aid and the effects of climate change driving migration are points that cannot be repeated or stressed enough.
Clothing debate is a confirmation that "just because you can, it doesn't mean that you should" - KS may have been within the rules but do they really need to take those gifts?
It's questionable as to whether any "donations" like this are required by any MP, of any party.
Good looking General on the right but how did she win all those medals?
dont ask what she was doing in kosovo...
Does the new set have a copy of the Cantunbury tales in the orignal middle English
There'd be no point, they stopped being able to read it once they turned 19
Fishy Sunak no sky TV as a kid growing up now a joint income wife included of 200k getting clothing grant , these poor MPs dont half have it rough
Gosh how about the kids who are victims of the 2 child cap
PM worth £8 m and cant afford his own wardrobe. Hahaha Labour voters gaslight. Serves them all right 😂
You don’t accept gifts?
@@Believe-you-me- a pressie isn't the same as a gift from a Labour donor.
@@frasercook5823 of course it is.
@@Believe-you-me- . No retired. Global Head of Procurement. It was a no no always
@@nigelmckay5915 its a perk of the job. 🤦♀️
These guys should take live calls.
HE IS BACK
It's easy to solve the "migrant crossing crisis". Just allow application in any British Embassy in the world so nobody needs to make the crossing to apply
Not quite that simple.
In some countries, Embassies don't operate.
In some without a UK Embassy, an agreement would have to be reached with whatever Commonwealth country (if any) *does* operate an Embassy (since normally those Embassies will extend assistance to UK citizens but may not operate a full range of diplomatic services).
In others, the chances of a citizen of that country being able to approach the Embassy, are close to zero. Embassies may be (in effect) soverign territory but the streets / land around them, are not.
I suspect were it that simple, somebody in the Civil Service would have spotted it by now :-D
PolJoe goes Cozycore
I wonder if his clothes sponsor was at the red carpet checking what he wore ?
Nice Genelec. Why have you only got one of them?
Please Ed, Ask Mogg for fashion advice.
Oh this is like what they use on BBC. It's a green screen but with a 3D background. They're still just sitting in a green screen void
Look at these nerds with their books...
Lammy was a pathetic apologist for Starmer and the corrupt donations
Those were very likely amoeba, Akantamoeba to be precise.
Why is there a solitary Genelec 8020 sitting on the shelf?, apart from that I like the new studio look.
I used to know a guy called Tommy, as in on his birth certificate it says Tommy, not Thomas
He's a liar, real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon
Who paid for Johnson's wedding?
The point is Starmer spent his life criticising Boris now he himself is in number 10 he is doing exactly the same. Plus before the election Starmer was always banging on about cleaning up politics & being more transparent. Doesn't it make him look stupid & a hypocrite?.
@@ancietman not if he's declared everything.
@@Pobotrol The point is Starmer spent years slating Tory sleaze now has proved 100 % his nose is in the trough also.If you wanna lick your ass & call it chocolate be my guest but the rest of us are not so deluded.
Cant believe italian guards look more ridiculous than UK's 😂😂😂😂😂
Can we have a different backdrop each week.....
Oh the fun you can have....
sir KS needs to speak to Timpsons, maybe he needs free dry cleaning too. "if it's goin' !" as sir Starmer always say
I think sometimes you should mix it up and add a flaming hellscape to your background. Just imagining you lot talking with a burning background is kinda funny (Plus representative of the state of this country).
Oh thats much better
When I saw the headline on Sunday I suddenly felt like an old man shouting at the TV. How fucking hard is it to put some coast guards out there TO SAVE FUCKING LIVES. I don’t care where they end up but it is a stain upon our country that we can’t do something about this. It’s blood on British hands - where is this fucking Dunkirk spirit I heard about at school.
I couldn’t bring myself to comment on the Grenfell episode because, frankly, it’s upsetting and I thought it was handled beautifully, tactfully and empathetically by Laura and Ava.
But I’m so fucking tired of politicians refusing to stand for anything anymore they’re all just career nonces who ought to have their salaries capped at the level of their commitment to humanitarian causes. (Whatever the fuck that means)
I was in Vietnam teaching English when Grenfell happened and I am haunted to this day by it not because I had any direct contact with the victims but because I saw in real time the perception of my country go up in smoke.
I was watching on the news and it was late so I had no one to talk to I walked to the 24/7 to buy some cigarettes and the shop keeper asked me where I was from, I told him, the look in his eyes is what haunts me - he simply could not understand how this could happen - bear in mind this is a country where the union jack is worn as a fashion symbol. Something to show your belief in certain values, little five year olds have back packs emblazoned with it as they cling to their parent on the back of a scooter as they make their way to school hoping and wishing and praying that they could one day come to such great place…
It fills my heart with such anguish and deep sadness that those same dreams are what drown in the channel again and again and again - Was it not two years ago a pregnant woman drowned in there in winter. Close your eyes and imagine making that choice stood on the shore. Imagine the fear she must’ve felt as the cold water hit her skin for the first time and the deep regret as the realisation set in that she was going to die. All because she wanted a better life for her unborn child.
The callousness of this island is a far far cry from what I used to think this place and its values were.
Erm guys can you add post-its to all the books so that we know what they are.
I think the EU have snubbed Starmer and he is has been cosying up to Macron , Scholz and Melony in order to raise his profile
Victoria wants more clothes so needs to be out and about more. They really are that shallow
The emperor has no clothes
His wife has plenty. It’s all coming from her. She’s pure poison
I miss the scifiesque giant robot arms now...
I would be more sympathetic to migrants if there wasn't numerous countries travelled though to attempt to get here
Ace&Tate have one of the most amazing pun names I have ever seen.
Specsavers get me prescription glasses ,prescription sunglasses, I pay under a hundred quid total. That is the way xDDD
WHO WAS SHE ON THE DATE WITH ED, SASQUATCH!?
Is that Mein Kampf behind Ed?
Not sure that’s representative of his views
I cannot see that book behind Ed?
@@geogeo3644 of course, slightly to the left not directly behind.
This is stupid we already have a deal
Incongruous speaker init
19 grand worth of so called bits
Australia still runs those offshore detention camps in Nauru and PNG.
OMG DAVE ON THE PHONE IS TOP TIER CONTENT RING HIM UP *realisesthisisntlive*
New background? Politics woah
This set is so bright, way too vibrant
Its 4 suits, u mix abd match the pants, shirts and ties to get 64
4:40 good to see Ava finally hard launch the boyfriend she’s been talking around for months - also is someone forcing Ed to try a new Gen Z haircut every time he goes away? It’ll be full curtains next
You make her sound like she is 14 🤣
what happens when they have a third?
Is his name even Edward?
Does anyone even care? He is just so bleeahhhhhhhurrghhhhhh
Andeigh
Welcome to the loony left show.
I'm an italian living in England since birth.
Tell Starmer to get back home in a rush. No time for fooling the British with a fake show of things he won't bloody do.
You are in the wrong channel. Politics joe want millions of asylum seekers just not in the rich country estates
So bloody laughable Italy giving starmer inspiration for something Rwanda was starting to do and we pay them four million pounds for the privilege another bloody fiasco
Heres Starmer lecturing Boris over accepting gifts from donors.
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Stuck farmer
Too much politics in the politicsjoe podcast today!
Couldn’t care less if the prime minister and his wife are donated clothes. They represent our country ffs
I don't either but Starmer getting all this stick because he is doing everything he was always moaning at Boris about.
lol, you seriously believe they represent anything but themselves?
Starmer now looking to literal neo-fascists for inspiration on migration policy. Is anyone really still arguing that this guy is not right wing?!
What are "literal neo-fascists"? 🤣
@@steveblundell7766 members of a party that directly descends from Mussolini's fascist party.
Wondering why it is controversial/apparently hilarious to point out that the heirs to Mussolini are literal neo-fascists (as opposed to say Farage and Reform who have neo-fascist tendencies but more of a debate around whether they are actually neo-fascist or not)?
@@stephenwood2172 oh dear what a childish leap of logic, do you make a special effort not to understand or learn anything? Mussolini was how long ago, 80 years? the world has changed a little bit since then .. maybe start by looking at the Italian PMs current platform and public statements, I'm sure there is much there to criticise without the need to show off irrelevent stuff you remember from school history lessons
no to the new home :(
its just a set. who cares?
Curious they have naomi kei s book on display. She’s a conspiracy theorist who thinks chem trails are poisoning us
Asylum seekers are not the problem - pensioners are.
@@s3lfl3ssn3ss pensioners and older people voted for the 14 years of Tory government - they are 100% to blame. Tax the rich, tax property, tax pensions.
Pensioners aren't the problem, Keir Starmer is
@@cameronfateweaver2206words, their entire voting lives they voted for handouts for themselves that the generations behind have to pay for
Pensioners will be enjoying the patriotic British winter this year 😂
@@cameronfateweaver2206 What about the pensioners who are struggling financially? Shouldn't you be taxing middle-income earners first if they are wealthier than the poorer pensioners?
Day 55 of asking for a production team microphone.
I dont understand whats wrong with accepting gifts. Do people not give gifts on this planet anymore? Fair enough it would be a problem if it was in exchange for a dodgy contract, but thats not happened...
True enough but it's a specific rule that anything gifted to an MP over a certain value has to be declared. In this case, Starmer's team discovered that his wife's dresses should've been declared but they weren't.
@@rononel8046 But his wife's not an MP? Seems like the rules aren't very clear as he said he sought advice already.
@@acolyte10mg like I say, his team discovered it, in all fairness the right we're very quick to say "Leave his wife out of it" when it was discovered Rishi's wife resent a tonne of money from government contracts but are as quick to say "Can't be afford clothes for his wife?" With this. I suspect it's because of their value.
A gift like a present is fine. This is a Labour donor. There is a great deal of difference between political influences and impartiality that just a one of present from a friend.
Yet ....
AVA ...... Alexander Downer Aus immigration minister
🤠 🍋🟩
Speaking of clothes, why pander to sadiq khan a man who sees London nightlife failing as ‘progressive’ as it fits with his behind doors values. I don’t agree with all Ava’s positions but boy does he not respect you when cameras are off. Yiu should also ask sadiq why he socialises with lebdevev so much when the majority of readers of paper arent from London
Both are extremely boring.