Especially with Voyager, always with Voyager. For a show whose main theme was that they couldn't go fast enough, they sure went fast, and they thought we were too dumb too notice.
And yet almost every episode opened with them moving at sublight, which is the equivalent of a grandma with a walker trying to cross from one US coast to the other on foot instead of taking a car.
The first rule of traveling at warp 10 is: No one ever mentions that you became a giant salamander and mated with another crew member and one of you had babies.
@@tempest20000 Well in "Where No One" it's generally believed that the Ent traveled at just a smidge UNDER infinite Velocity... And as for "All Good Things" the future there was imaginary created by Q like Sherwood Forest, so nothing can be taken as factual...
Ahahaha...yeah. seems dumb to make warp 10 infinite, a scale where the numbers simply get larger like tos makes a lot more sense for future speed improvements. Oh and never write an episode about infinite speed maybe?
Something else to add to the Borg battle equation: The Borg cube (and the federation fleet) were in the typhon sector at start of the battle. The cube had to get to earth as well, once it’d had enough of destroying the fleet. This would have given our heroes extra time to reach earth, and save the day.
I wondered when you were going to engage with this topic and make it so. You made this tricky subject easy to understand. Very helpful to use one destination and the travel time at different warp speeds.
Actually I had this video pretty much done a few days after I released the 23rd Century one... But Ive never liked it... Just so many people kept asking that I finally gave in...
I think someone said they refactored it to base it on requires energy requirements. Warp 10 would require infinite energy, kinda like trying to reach light speed using conventional engines would require infinite thrust.
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios you're welcome. ^^ this is actually going to help me in a few weeks because I'm doing a home brew of D&D 5e andStar Wars Edge of The empire and do a Star Trek table top loosely based off Star Trek Online. ^^
I remember the funny scene where Trip gives a guided tour of engineering to a group of pilgrims and talks about the warp drive like they’re schoolchildren. Then it turns out at least one of them is a warp field theorist, and the others are probably working in similar fields. He’s happy to discuss how they regulate their matter/antimatter mix (which is always 1:1 ratio, by the way, if you recall that trick question on the test).
I know everyone hates the Warp episode, but i love it! Janeway finally got laid. (really i just love the absurdity of the whole episode.) Also you should talk about Quantum Slipstream.
I loved the video, Something I'd like discussed someday is how The Enterprise ever reached Regula one on impulse power when they were over 12 hours from there when Khan attacked.
I would think Romulan space isn't too far from Vulcan. In the 22nd century T' Pol was already aware of them and the name Romulan. In the 24th century Romulus was sending an invasion force to Vulcan. In the 23rd century while at Earth Scotty said the Enterprise could have Spock back on Vulcan in 4 days (maybe at warp 6?)
I agree as well. Romulans, Klingons, Vulcans, Andorians, Telerites evolved in the same galactic neighbourhood. They were days/weeks away from each other, using early warp technology. The Warp 5 engine was its theoretical speed, not actual speed, although Enterprise did break Warp 5 once or twice.
The one show the consistently times its warp travel times is DIS. When Burnham is traveling to the ISS Charon by shuttle at warp 1, it takes just over 30 seconds of screen time, which equates to how long it would require in-universe (they were in the same system, of course).
Thanks for the video. I wonder, if the math change to fit more realistic scientific expectations for the show or did it need to be changed because the warp technology changed? Not really a question I expect an answer to, just a thought. I just always found it funny that speeds exceeding warp 10 in the 23 century were more common than the supposed warp 10 barrier of the 24th
You're welcome! I think the reason for the change is everyone realized that the speeds in the original series simply werent up to the task of actually being reasonable for distance vs time...
I think you answered your own question - the writers of TNG wanted warp 10 to be a hard limit, so in order to explain TOS going warp 14 they had to say that the scale had been updated.
I had an old Star Trek combat game my friends and I used to play. We made Dilithium crystal assisted warp engines multiply their speed by 365 times the speed of light. Thus at warp 1 you'd get to Alpha Centauri in 4.2 days and at the old NCC 1701 A's emergency speed of warp 12 you'd get there in 8.3 hours. Old Romulan warbirds used non dilithium warp drives using warp field generators and impulse engines to gradually accelerate them to translight speeds with top speeds nowhere near what a dilithium driven ship could do at warp 1. I had to explain the obvious warp engines on the TOS Warbird :) For TNG ships I changed the system to where their warp 10 was old systems warp 20. Thus warp 20 would be 7300 times the speed of light and get you to alpha centauri at 5.4 hours. I just made that speed the upper limit of dilithium crystal multiplication before they cause temporal instability :)
According to Memory Alpha, a Sovereign Class has a max speed of either 9.7, 9.985 or 9.995. According to Star Trek Star Charts, the Romulan neutral Zone is anywhere from ~30 LY-80 LY depending on where the Enterprise was exactly, the zone stretches for about 100 LY, including the better part of roughly 7 sectors [20 LY cubes]
Very interesting, speeds really get crazy at the high nines! I've heard a theory that the TNG scale and speeds are so much faster since the transwarp drive experiment on USS Excelsior was a success, resulting in the much faster TNG scale as it became standard.
Though an interesting theory I doubt it's true, given that if they HAD transwarp it would be called transwarp and then other ships that are said to HAVE transwarp, such as the Borg, wouldnt make much sense...
I checked MANY sources and picked the one that not only made sense with what was seen on screen, but also used the most... As well as I took the one created by the person who defined the warp scale for TNG... Do you have a link to what you're talking about?
Please remember, though Memory Alpha is one of the BEST sources for canon information, it is person driven... Meaning anyone can alter anything, and sometimes they're wrong... The only equation there I found if I remember correctly is the equation for up to warp 9... Not the finished equation!
Great, but what is the f(W) function? That was the part I actually wanted to know. It has to be some sort of limit function, where f(W) approaches infinity as W approaches 10.
The planet of Vulcan is about 16 Ly away...it took the Enterprise just a couple minutes in 2009's Star Trek... Oh and Voyager: 70,000 Ly take about 70 years at max Warp (9.975), as stated from Janeway
Yes the JJ Enterprise has transwarp.... And no Voyager was not traveling home at warp 9.975. That was Voyager's MAXIMUM achievable speed, not it's Standard Cruising Speed. Janeway NEVER stated that Voyager was traveling at warp 9.97... It was the original helmsman that said it could achieve.... 2 VERY different things! If Voyager WAS traveling at warp 9.975 it would only have taken them a little over 5 years to get home... Thus their standard cruising speed was approximately warp 8, as the math indicates!
too confusing so I'll let you figure this out. Voyager was thrown I think 70 thousand light years from home. Captain Janeway says even at maximum speeds it would take 75 yrs to reach the Federation. was she correct?
You need to consider that a ship can not travel at full speed for to long. Maximum is usualy attainable for 12 hours then need to stop for warp coils to cool dawn.
TriAngulum Audio Studios not to mention it’s all weird the doc said Tom is evolving but then regressing to a primitive life form ? One that’s not even apart of the human Genus lol hey there was a writers strike during that era so probs that’s why I’m also assuming a ships cruising speed is most power efficient continuous warp travel
Good video but I would have liked a planet a little further away like Vulcan that's about 16 light years away and how long it would take to cross a sector and the different speeds
Personally I think they could have kept the old cubed warp scale instead of the fractional system past warp 9. Would it have hurt to have the ships traveling at warp 20 or 30? That would be a clear speed scale you could use as a reference all the way from ENT to VOY and beyond. Plus anyone with a calculator can instantly work out what warp 27 is - 19,683 times light speed. Alpha Centauri in just under 2 hours? Hail David!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios People don't seem to have trouble comprehending the tremendous increases in speed for aircraft and motor vehicles compared to the first planes and cars!
I would be curious to know, when a ship goes to warp, the ship elongates momentariy. Do the crew on the inside feel that effect or is it all just a visual thing? I've never heard anyone explain that. Love the videos keep up the great work!
Awesome video yet again. Remember when Data mentioned in First Contact movie, it would them 3 hours or so to get to Earth. Is it to good to assume it depends on where they were on the Neutral Zone and how long it is to come up with Data's calculations to determine it would take them 3 hours? I don't know. Like you said calculating warp factor is a little complicated than what is seems. Also, can you do a video on why or why not the Borg Queen was useful and useless to the Borg and to Star Trek universe?
Thank you! You know I though about calculating it based on that, but since we dont know the Speed the Ent E is traveling we'd only have a range! As for the Borg Video... Not this Monday but Next Monday one that talks about that is actually scheduled for release :)
Which one is the logarithmic function though, it has to have a base of like 1,000000001 or something along these lines to even matter compared to the speed of light
Enterprise-E headed for Earth from the Neutral Zone within a few minutes after they received the combat communication from the fleet engaging the Borg in the Typhon Sector. The battle didn't entirely take place at Earth.
Would be interesting to compare this to STO's Transwarp speed numbers. I always assume they somehow "skipped over" Warp 10 (same with all good things) hence why it's "Warp 14" for Beverly's Pasteur (and my top-end ships in STO can push about Warp 13 or so, not counting the use of Quantum Slipstream). I realize they're not canon of course, but it would be interesting nonetheless.
My theory is that 24th cen warp is actually 23rd cen transwarp. No one ever said the excelsior ever failed her tests. Maybe that's how excelsior got over one side of the alpha to the beta quadrant so quickly. Being the first ship with the 'future warp'
Though an interesting theory I doubt it's true, given that if they HAD transwarp it would be called transwarp and then other ships that are said to HAVE transwarp, such as the Borg, wouldnt make much sense...
I wonder, do you think they might have had some transwarp ability at this point...something perhaps in an experimental stage? STO is filthy with the whole thing and I mean that in a good way.
Well fortunately STO is not canon so cant be relied on for ANY factual information... And no I dont think they did, since Transwarp exists and they mention it a bunch of times... So if they had transwarp of some kind they would have named it that...
I leave it up to the fact we were to just use our imagination to what Happened. STO really needs to be tossed in some cannon wise. They have done a brilliant job fleshing out some stories and bringing a few things to conclusion.
That would be impossible... First CBS just licenses Trek to them so in order for ANYTHING to become canon from the game, CBS would have to show or refer to those events on screen in an episode or movie... To do that they'd have to pay royalties to do that and why should they when they can make up their own stories? Second, you cant just pick and choose what you want from the game to canon, it would be absolutely confusing... And would cause MANY arguments... Third, there's too much going on in STO for it to be canon, it's designed for game play, not reality...
You make a good point, there is alot going on and most of it is really good. I'm keeping an open mind for the new series that keep sprouting up. I just really enjoy my STO so much more, I'm just one who is totally in love with TOS but willing to let the new stuff stand on it's own legs.
I don't see how any effects on humanoid body could prevent travel at that speed. Simply initiate a transport sequence and store the travellers in the transporter buffer matrix until arrival, and rematerialize them at the destination.
That would be a great idea, except at this point in Trek History it would be impossible to do for any length of time... Also then what happens if something goes wrong during travel?
i know this wont likely be taken into factor but would you do a video on warp speed on Star Trek Online its warp factors go over warp 9.999 making a theory that the federation had to rewrite the scale again in the late 24th century early 25 century fastest speed ive seen was warp 24.54 without the use of the quantum slip drive which would improve the speed by 60% which the max ive seen would increase warp 24.54 to warp 39.26
Yeah since STO is not canon, nothing from it can be used as factual... Thus im hesitant to do a video like that as these videos deal with canon only, and videos like that can confuse new fans or even old fans!
Thats odd, since no one here or in my other video 23rd Century Warp has said anything like that... In fact, Everyone comments how easy the video is to understand... Oh well guess you cant please everyone!
I got a simple answer for warp 10 simply have the crew in a transporter buffer or save their patterns and reassemble them after they get to their destination and simulate their personalities on the ship through their computer so they can talk about the meaning of life as computers quot the prime directive I am trying to figure out a way to get Wesley to shut up while drinking coffee , earl gray or Romulan ale
Warp 1 would be between 182 and 1342 seconds depending on distance between Earth and Mars. Orbital mechanics probably changes these numbers, although at the speed of light and above I'm not sure it would be more than a second or 5. Warp 2 (thrse are 23rd century) is 23 seconds to 167 seconds and so on to Warp 5 at 1.5 seconds to 10.5 seconds. Not sure you'd want to go quicker than that, lol. www.space.com/24701-how-long-does-it-take-to-get-to-mars.html
Easy EVERYWHERE... In the original series the Enterprise reached speeds over warp 10 often with no one saying hey we just hit warp 10 infinite velocity... But in the TNG Era it is often stated that warp 10 was the limit... Ergo sometime in between TOS and TNG the warp scale was rewritten! Canon doesnt have to be directly stated... It can be shown or even implied... IE I dont need to see Gravity, to know a planet visited by an away team has it!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thanks for answering! It's an honour to hear from the content creator. But doesn't future Riker specifically order warp 13 in "All Good Things..."? (And just to throw a spanner in the works, there is always this canon, clearly stated on screen quote from the TNG episode "Conspiracy": Riker: "Increase to warp six." LaForge: "Aye, sir. Full Impulse.") I don't think TNG-era was any more consistent about speed than TOS.
Well no problem... As to your questions... 1) All good things was a fake reality created by Q, so cant be taken as fact... Even if it wasnt, it had been 25 years since TNG ended which means theres more then enough time for it to be rewritten again... 2) The Laforge statement was Laforge merely saying he was increasing the speed quickly... IE aye sir, really fast... TNG was completely consistent with it's own warp scale! Besides we know the scale was rewritten for TNG thanks to the production team saying so... And although that is not canon since it's rel life, since they followed those rules it is in fact canon!
Honestly the worst thing I think Trek ever did was come up with the whole concept of Warp Ten being infinite velocity. And I mean they quite handily forgot about it for All Good Things where the Pasteur was travelling at warp 13. They should ha e just kept going up the scale
In "All Good Things" it was demonstrated that the modified \ refitted Enterprise "D" in the early 25th century, was able to travel routinely at warp 13.
All Good Things was a FAKE timeline created by Q, like a dream sequence, so nothing from that FAKE timeline can be taken as credible or evidence of anything... PLUS even if it was real... There's 25 years between TNG and All Good Things so that's MORE then enough time to rewrite the Warp Scale again!
Ironically, the scale was changed because TOS warp factors would have made space travel too fast. To make TNG ships faster than TOS ships along the same scale one could explore the galaxy in a few months. They needed a way to make TNG ships significantly faster without making them too fast. That’s why you have the insane jump in speed from Warp 9.9 to Warp 10. Sadly, the plot writers needed even faster speeds and had to make up slipstream drive, transwarp corridors, under space, etc. to show it’s possible to go way faster without hitting Warp 10 via conventional warp drive.
That's not exactly true... it was Roddenberry who wanted the scale changed to make TNG ships faster yet not have ridiculous numbers like Warp Factor 20 etc... If you watch my 23rd Century Warp Video then you know that even Warp 14.1 wasnt faster then the TNG Scales...
Riker: "Guess we'll have to do it the old fashioned way.. Get us outta here, *Warp 13!* I wasn't a huge fan of the whole; "Warp 10 is infinite speed, causing you to occupy every point in the universe simultaneously...- Oh and also make you a lizard thing that becomes an invasive species, after doing the nasty (mating) on an alien planet...I guess...". Just wasn't for me _for some reason..._ :P
Well Rikers statement doesnt really change or even mean anything. As either the warp scale was re-written once again at some point as similar to that of how the TOS- TNG warp scale was re-written OR More likely, since THAT future was simply a scenario created by Q like Sherwood Forest, it has no meaning what so ever!
Warp speed is really slow then compare to some of the esp. It would have to be a light year per minute on some of the shows look at when Enterprise 1107 was thrown 999.5 light years traveling back took them less then a day at warp 12
I’m disappointed you didn’t mention that in an alternate universe the refitted Enterprise-D was stated as having a warp factor of at least 13 and what the math on that would have. Course between stardate 47988 and Voyager’s second year in the Delta Quadrant the warp scale could’ve been altered or slightly reworked making warp 13 obsolete to warp 10s infinite speed Subscribed now nonetheless
TriAngulum Audio Studios all the years and dozens of times I watched that episode and i missed that it was an illusion? Well off to watch it a dozen more times
LOL well it cant be reality, given the events since! :) Besides Q has NEVER sent anyone to an alternate universe, he merely creates an illusion! Hope you have fun though!
If I appeared rude and/or offensive in my recent comments it was not my intention and I sincerely apologize. I'm just confused about it that's all. I will look up what you suggested and hopefully it will make sense to me. Once again I meant no offense and if you like I will unsubscribe from your channel. It would be a shame to do so because I do enjoy your videos, but if that is your wish I will do so. I am also sending you a $5 thank you so I hope there's no hard feelings.
No no, not at all! I was never offended or angry with you! I merely closed the thread because it was going nowhere and I dont have the time to keep saying the same thing... Unfortunately I get hundreds of comments weekly and try my best to respond to as many as I can, and If I get stuck on one that isnt going any further, I just shut it down as a matter of policy! So I do appreciate the 5.00 but it wasn't necessary! You're all good in my books!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thank you for accepting my apology and if if it's not too inconvenient could you maybe please suggest some websites that would help it make sense to me? Not trying to argue, I am genuinely confused.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thanks I'll do that. I understand why it's impossible to accelerate to light speed because doing so would require an infinite amount of energy and the universe just doesn't have that much to spare, but the whole warp 10 limit thing even though it's all made up has always confused me. Anyway I won't bother you with this anymore.
OK then. In the Voyager episode 'The Gift'. Kess transends to that other stage & in the process catapults Voyager 9.5 thousand light years in seconds. Anybody? Oh & don't tell me the no.42 has something to do with it.😳
They could easily fix that by saying it was a by product of particles found in that area of space, and that by using a special filter system, ships can hit Warp 10 without ill effects.
There’s something that’s never sat right with me about voyager. The distance she travelled with the help they had. 1) kes weird funky mind powers 10 years 2) malon subspace corridor 2 years 3) slip stream (first time around 1 year) 4) slipstream second time around 15 years 5) transwarp coil 20 years Also forgetting the amount of time she spent at warp probs about 15000 light years it doesn’t add up. (Interestingly she was about to cross into the beta quadrant in endgame)
I liked this vid, what do you think of SW's hyperdrive compared to warp drive? Of course hyperdrive is MUCH faster as they can travel across the entire galaxy in a few days as compared to decades with Voyager. But they do have the limitation of only using existing lanes. Also in the movies they call it the jump to lightspeed which is much slower than anything beyond warp 1 on the original scale I dunno. Personally I think warpdrive is more "versatile" since they don't have to use fixed routes but obviously hyperdrive is much faster. Also something that drives me NUTS with Trek is in newer iterations such as The Kelvin timeline and DSC see using the different abbrevation is while in warp their sensor data is VERY limited compared to the original timeline. So much so that when they enter a star system they don't even know what's there whereas in the other iterations they could easily scan whatever their normal sensor range is while at warp. Also what did you think of DSC's explaination about why the spore drive was forgotten? I thought it was okay and was glad they at least did address it.
TBH im not a fan of Star Wars so I know very little about it so I cant really comment as it would be an uninformed opinion... Also what makes you think DSC is a different abbreviation of warp? And any differences in sensor functionality could be attributed to it being 10 years before TOS... Star Trek Enterprise ALSO had this same problem... I dont think it was a case of the Spore Drive being forgotten... First it was a classified Project all along. Second in S1 we're told Starfleet is suspending the project due to the harm it does to humans, harmful to humans = no go for Starfleet. Third their only working model of that system was "destroyed," (Sent 950 years to the future) So there's nothing to even test new theories on... So I think it all works!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I meant the different abbreviation for Discovery "DSC" for discovery since you didn't care for the other abbreviation. Yeah it mostly works but I guess what really bugged me about it was how well known section 31 is in Starfleet on DSC they're supposed to be a super secret organization almost no one knows about but they're easily identifiable and well known among at least the Captain rank. But that's a WHOLE other tangent.
The OFFICIAL abbreviation for Discovery is DSC... NOT anything else... TNG, DS9 VOY ENT all follow the exact same type of pattern. And it is, as Ive already said, Disrespectful to call it by a derogatory name... I stand by this channel being a NON TOXIC environment, so that nonsense will not fly here... This is a channel rule, the end! We dont know if Section 31 is unknown in DSCs time... This could be something that started as a secret organization before ENT then gradually came in to the light like the Tal Shiar, then was forced back in to the shadows after the DSC S2 events... It makes perfect sense and lines up nicely with canon!
If all this is true then can someone please tell me how to reconcile the fact that we regularly see stars passing the Enterprise by like the old Windows screensaver. Wouldn't that imply a travel speed of well over Warp 10?
According to this map, one of the most detailed and official ones I could find of the Star Trek Federation. The closest border of the Romulan Neutral Zone is less than 30 light years away from Earth.
I thought by the tine of Star Trek 2, the warp factor was changed to the 24th century version. In ST4, Sulu counts off warp speed, eventually reaching warp 10, which is what kicks them into time warp around the sun. Otherwise I'd think he would go up to a much larger number. No?
TriAngulum Audio Studios my bad, there was a rumour about the writer disliked that episode so much they “decannoned”it .just checked the sources they just agree it was not good...
@@karlph1sher344 Ahhh I see, just always remeber canon is a matter of fact... NO ONE can de-canon anything... Once it's on screen for the public, that's it, it's canon :)
Well something has... Have you not seen S2 of DSC? BUT even so the USS Discovery was the ONLY ship with this drive and Starfleet cancelled the project until and unless a safer way to use it was discovered...
Well I was referring to Discovery pre-wormhole and before all that Control problems. The spore drive is an exception but then again, it isn't warp so it doesn't have a warp factor so it doesn't have a place in this video anyway. I just threw that out cuz I saw Discovery btw don't forget the Glenn had a spore drive too ;)
This completely throws the scale of the universe out, the 4 quadrants of the galaxy must now represent less than 1 percent of the milkyway. Also, why are stars flying past so quick?
Why do you say that? Besides the obvious :P And that's because when the ship drops in to subspace that's the view from inside the ship! Warped Stars...
Ok I think I've figured it out ( sort of ) there is no actual physical speed limit, just a limit to how fast ships can go using current engines. Once the Federation has perfected either transwarp or slipstream travel they'll create a new chart to explain the new speeds. And don't worry I'm not going to argue about the spore drive because I've already traveled the galaxy using magic mushrooms and all without leaving my couch too. Of course it could also all just be made up by screenwriters, but nah that would be silly.
Sorry, again you are incorrect, there IS an actual speed limit, it is warp 10, infinite warp... At that speed, because a vessel is traveling SO fast, it occupies ALL points in the Universe!
To me the warp 10 barrier was always kinda pointless cause it never really stopped ships from going faster, you just needed to add more nines. Sure you can't go warp 10 but you can go warp 9.9, warp 9.99, warp, 9.999, etc. Just keep piling on those nines and you can go as fast as you want.
@TriAngulumAudioStudios But if you can just keep going faster and faster, why have a speed limit in the first place? What is the ultimate speed limit for Star Trek ships in terms of multiples of light speed? How many times the speed of light can they go before they just can't go any faster? Ten thousand? a hundred thousand? a million? a billion?
@@G74 Well, the ultimate speed is Warp !0 or infinite velocity... Meaning you can't go any faster as you occupy every point in the universe simultaneously! And again, it makes sense!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios But if you can just keep going faster and faster without limit but at the same time there's a speed limit that says you can't go faster than this, how does that make sense?
@@G74 Well there's the flaw in your logic... Where do you get that you can just keep going faster and faster? In what episode or movie did you get that idea? Answer; you didn't, as this is just something you made up in your head. As previously stated, reach a certain 9.999+ you switch to transwarp! At that point it's no longer measured on the Warp Velocity Scale IE Warp 9.9999999, but rather uses a different measurement that eventually leads to Infinite Warp, or Warp 10! So again, it makes absolute sense! And if you look at Physics, that's how things work, with absolute numbers for everything, See absolute Zero... Anyhow, Im closing this thread off here now as you're just running around in circles, saying the same incorrect things but expecting a different answer... Your logic is just flawed, and it it all does make sense! Take care! (THREAD CLOSED- No further comments will appear to prevent OP from continuing an incorrect circular argument)
Still does not make sense to me how some of the speeds and distances work out in ST... On the show they travel between different start systems under a day at speeds below WARP 9 (usually used during emergencies not cruise), this is only taken into account ALPHA C which is relatively close, other system could be much further apart.
It would have been helpful to explain WHY there was a re-write of the warp scale from the 23rd to the 24th centuries. Perhaps the subject of a new video??
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How Fast is warp drive in star Trek?
As fast as the plot of the episode demands.
Especially with Voyager, always with Voyager. For a show whose main theme was that they couldn't go fast enough, they sure went fast, and they thought we were too dumb too notice.
And yet almost every episode opened with them moving at sublight, which is the equivalent of a grandma with a walker trying to cross from one US coast to the other on foot instead of taking a car.
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The first rule of traveling at warp 10 is: No one ever mentions that you became a giant salamander and mated with another crew member and one of you had babies.
detrimental side effects, aka must hit the reset button each week.
Didn’t happen to Picard and the Enterprise D in the TNG episodes “Where No One Gone Before” and “All Good Things”. I’m calling BS with Voyager.
@@tempest20000 Well in "Where No One" it's generally believed that the Ent traveled at just a smidge UNDER infinite Velocity... And as for "All Good Things" the future there was imaginary created by Q like Sherwood Forest, so nothing can be taken as factual...
Ahahaha...yeah. seems dumb to make warp 10 infinite, a scale where the numbers simply get larger like tos makes a lot more sense for future speed improvements. Oh and never write an episode about infinite speed maybe?
Something else to add to the Borg battle equation: The Borg cube (and the federation fleet) were in the typhon sector at start of the battle. The cube had to get to earth as well, once it’d had enough of destroying the fleet. This would have given our heroes extra time to reach earth, and save the day.
You keep knocking these out of the ball park, hence why I keep coming back. Thank you.
Thank you so much Jamie! I really appreciate the support :)
I never knew the 23rd and 24th century speeds were so different! It is also a pretty good explanation for the weird warp scale in TOS.
Thank you so much! :)
I wondered when you were going to engage with this topic and make it so.
You made this tricky subject easy to understand. Very helpful to use one destination and the travel time at different warp speeds.
Actually I had this video pretty much done a few days after I released the 23rd Century one... But Ive never liked it... Just so many people kept asking that I finally gave in...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios you know what we say about resistance!
That it's fun for the whole family? Right Seven? :P
TOS VS TNG WARP SPEED. The only thing that makes sense is nothing make sense.
LOL Exactly
I think someone said they refactored it to base it on requires energy requirements. Warp 10 would require infinite energy, kinda like trying to reach light speed using conventional engines would require infinite thrust.
It wasn't dry at all. ^^ I love numbers so it was amazing.
Well thank you so much :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios you're welcome. ^^ this is actually going to help me in a few weeks because I'm doing a home brew of D&D 5e andStar Wars Edge of The empire and do a Star Trek table top loosely based off Star Trek Online. ^^
Niiice! Sounds fun, and glad I could help!
I dunno if I told you this before, but I love the art pieces you make for your thumbnails.
Thank you so much! I love to draw :)
I thoroughly enjoyed this video
Thanks :)
All of the trek verse videos are GREAT.
Thanks again, the support means a lot!
I remember the funny scene where Trip gives a guided tour of engineering to a group of pilgrims and talks about the warp drive like they’re schoolchildren. Then it turns out at least one of them is a warp field theorist, and the others are probably working in similar fields. He’s happy to discuss how they regulate their matter/antimatter mix (which is always 1:1 ratio, by the way, if you recall that trick question on the test).
Will you be doing a video on transwarp and slipstream technology?
Indeed I will :)
I know everyone hates the Warp episode, but i love it! Janeway finally got laid. (really i just love the absurdity of the whole episode.)
Also you should talk about Quantum Slipstream.
I loved the video, Something I'd like discussed someday is how The Enterprise ever reached Regula one on impulse power when they were over 12 hours from there when Khan attacked.
LOL I hear you! Sometime Trek plays fast and loose with things like that...
Very enlightening, your not wrong about the equation being complicated, great video as always my friend..
It's SOOOO complicated, had me scratching my head!
I would think Romulan space isn't too far from Vulcan. In the 22nd century T' Pol was already aware of them and the name Romulan. In the 24th century Romulus was sending an invasion force to Vulcan. In the 23rd century while at Earth Scotty said the Enterprise could have Spock back on Vulcan in 4 days (maybe at warp 6?)
You would think... :P
I agree as well. Romulans, Klingons, Vulcans, Andorians, Telerites evolved in the same galactic neighbourhood. They were days/weeks away from each other, using early warp technology.
The Warp 5 engine was its theoretical speed, not actual speed, although Enterprise did break Warp 5 once or twice.
The one show the consistently times its warp travel times is DIS. When Burnham is traveling to the ISS Charon by shuttle at warp 1, it takes just over 30 seconds of screen time, which equates to how long it would require in-universe (they were in the same system, of course).
Nailed it, but I do think "Star Trek: Ships of the Line" gives the Sovereign class a maximum warp speed of 9.995.
Unfortunately Calendar are NOT canon :P
Thanks for the video. I wonder, if the math change to fit more realistic scientific expectations for the show or did it need to be changed because the warp technology changed? Not really a question I expect an answer to, just a thought. I just always found it funny that speeds exceeding warp 10 in the 23 century were more common than the supposed warp 10 barrier of the 24th
You're welcome! I think the reason for the change is everyone realized that the speeds in the original series simply werent up to the task of actually being reasonable for distance vs time...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios yes, indeed, they were all over the place.
Oh yes completely!
I think you answered your own question - the writers of TNG wanted warp 10 to be a hard limit, so in order to explain TOS going warp 14 they had to say that the scale had been updated.
Not dry at all. Fascinating is more like it...to borrow Spock's favourite term.
Thank you so much!
Could someone please tell me the name of the TOS piano music? I've been searching for it for a while now but I can't find it.
I had an old Star Trek combat game my friends and I used to play. We made Dilithium crystal assisted warp engines multiply their speed by 365 times the speed of light. Thus at warp 1 you'd get to Alpha Centauri in 4.2 days and at the old NCC 1701 A's emergency speed of warp 12 you'd get there in 8.3 hours.
Old Romulan warbirds used non dilithium warp drives using warp field generators and impulse engines to gradually accelerate them to translight speeds with top speeds nowhere near what a dilithium driven ship could do at warp 1.
I had to explain the obvious warp engines on the TOS Warbird :)
For TNG ships I changed the system to where their warp 10 was old systems warp 20. Thus warp 20 would be 7300 times the speed of light and get you to alpha centauri at 5.4 hours. I just made that speed the upper limit of dilithium crystal multiplication before they cause temporal instability :)
Not dry at all, man. Very cool comparisons.
Thank you so much :) As always, I appreciate the support :)
Because of something I saw recently, every time I see 24th century, I think "Duck Dodgers in the 24th and a 1/2 century !!!!"
According to Memory Alpha, a Sovereign Class has a max speed of either 9.7, 9.985 or 9.995.
According to Star Trek Star Charts, the Romulan neutral Zone is anywhere from ~30 LY-80 LY depending on where the Enterprise was exactly, the zone stretches for about 100 LY, including the better part of roughly 7 sectors [20 LY cubes]
Exactly meaning they dont know... And the Star Charts are not canon so NOTHING said with in them can be taken as factual!
EC Henry has a good video comparing Warp speeds.
I'd like to see a colab between you two some day.
Well you never know :) Let him know that :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Already have. :)
Touche!
Thanks this helps alot. But it's pretty annoying how often they are in a hurry and for no reason pick a random warp less then max, like why?
That, only the plot can tell :P
Cool !
LOL Thanks but it's a REALLY dry video :P
Yeah i know the speed and distance are not very accurate in star trek 😂
Not even in the slightest :P
Very interesting, speeds really get crazy at the high nines! I've heard a theory that the TNG scale and speeds are so much faster since the transwarp drive experiment on USS Excelsior was a success, resulting in the much faster TNG scale as it became standard.
Though an interesting theory I doubt it's true, given that if they HAD transwarp it would be called transwarp and then other ships that are said to HAVE transwarp, such as the Borg, wouldnt make much sense...
Uhh. Did you check Memory Alpha for this? Because the formulae mentioned there is different
I checked MANY sources and picked the one that not only made sense with what was seen on screen, but also used the most... As well as I took the one created by the person who defined the warp scale for TNG... Do you have a link to what you're talking about?
Please remember, though Memory Alpha is one of the BEST sources for canon information, it is person driven... Meaning anyone can alter anything, and sometimes they're wrong... The only equation there I found if I remember correctly is the equation for up to warp 9... Not the finished equation!
Great, but what is the f(W) function? That was the part I actually wanted to know. It has to be some sort of limit function, where f(W) approaches infinity as W approaches 10.
4.22? Thought it was closer to 4.3 or a touch over. Have we gotten closer to it?
The exact measurement is unknown, so I took the standard most used one... But it fluctuates between 4.2-4.4 light years...
The planet of Vulcan is about 16 Ly away...it took the Enterprise just a couple minutes in 2009's Star Trek...
Oh and Voyager: 70,000 Ly take about 70 years at max Warp (9.975), as stated from Janeway
Yes the JJ Enterprise has transwarp.... And no Voyager was not traveling home at warp 9.975. That was Voyager's MAXIMUM achievable speed, not it's Standard Cruising Speed. Janeway NEVER stated that Voyager was traveling at warp 9.97... It was the original helmsman that said it could achieve.... 2 VERY different things! If Voyager WAS traveling at warp 9.975 it would only have taken them a little over 5 years to get home... Thus their standard cruising speed was approximately warp 8, as the math indicates!
Great information I like it
Would the uss Discovery’s spore drive be similar to warp 10 in the 24 century?
How fast is slipstream
You'll have to wait for a future episode of Trek Facts to get the answer on that question :P
too confusing so I'll let you figure this out.
Voyager was thrown I think 70 thousand light years from home. Captain Janeway says even at maximum speeds it would take 75 yrs to reach the Federation.
was she correct?
If Voyager was traveling on a direct course at warp 8 it would take approximately 73 years to reach home... SOOOOOO it is possible...
You need to consider that a ship can not travel at full speed for to long. Maximum is usualy attainable for 12 hours then need to stop for warp coils to cool dawn.
slipstream is warp 9.99999999999999999999 recurring it was mentioned in voyager
why was the scale changed I never knew.
No one knows... Perhaps cause the first scale made even LESS sense now? :P
TriAngulum Audio Studios the warp ten episode is utter garbage lol throwing that out there
LOL I completely agree! 100%... ^^^This guys got it... :P
TriAngulum Audio Studios not to mention it’s all weird the doc said Tom is evolving but then regressing to a primitive life form ? One that’s not even apart of the human Genus lol hey there was a writers strike during that era so probs that’s why
I’m also assuming a ships cruising speed is most power efficient continuous warp travel
It was a horribly silly episode! And Cruising Speed is the safest maximum speed a ship can sustain without damaging itself until it's fuel runs out...
How fast is Transwarp and Quantum Slipstream?
That's a GREAT question :) One you'll see the answer to in an upcoming video :)
Good video but I would have liked a planet a little further away like Vulcan that's about 16 light years away and how long it would take to cross a sector and the different speeds
Personally I think they could have kept the old cubed warp scale instead of the fractional system past warp 9. Would it have hurt to have the ships traveling at warp 20 or 30? That would be a clear speed scale you could use as a reference all the way from ENT to VOY and beyond. Plus anyone with a calculator can instantly work out what warp 27 is - 19,683 times light speed. Alpha Centauri in just under 2 hours? Hail David!
The change was all Roddenberry, apparently he thought people would be confused by hearing warp 20... :S :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios People don't seem to have trouble comprehending the tremendous increases in speed for aircraft and motor vehicles compared to the first planes and cars!
The track that plays at around 5:00 sounds like something from the Little Mermaid LOLXD
We don't build the Warp Drive, we make it better by getting around "SMARTER" and more 'EFFICIENTLY!"
Sorry wha?
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios It is a joke. You are supposed to laugh. Here is to the "SPORE" drive and quantum slip-stream drive.....hahaa!
I did! :P I just wanted to throw it back at you :P Some days it's fun to tease! :P
I would be curious to know, when a ship goes to warp, the ship elongates momentariy. Do the crew on the inside feel that effect or is it all just a visual thing? I've never heard anyone explain that. Love the videos keep up the great work!
Awesome video yet again. Remember when Data mentioned in First Contact movie, it would them 3 hours or so to get to Earth. Is it to good to assume it depends on where they were on the Neutral Zone and how long it is to come up with Data's calculations to determine it would take them 3 hours? I don't know. Like you said calculating warp factor is a little complicated than what is seems. Also, can you do a video on why or why not the Borg Queen was useful and useless to the Borg and to Star Trek universe?
Thank you! You know I though about calculating it based on that, but since we dont know the Speed the Ent E is traveling we'd only have a range! As for the Borg Video... Not this Monday but Next Monday one that talks about that is actually scheduled for release :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Yay!!!!!!
Which one is the logarithmic function though, it has to have a base of like 1,000000001 or something along these lines to even matter compared to the speed of light
Enterprise-E headed for Earth from the Neutral Zone within a few minutes after they received the combat communication from the fleet engaging the Borg in the Typhon Sector. The battle didn't entirely take place at Earth.
Indeed it did, not sure of your point though... The Ent E STILL had to make it to Earth!
Would be interesting to compare this to STO's Transwarp speed numbers. I always assume they somehow "skipped over" Warp 10 (same with all good things) hence why it's "Warp 14" for Beverly's Pasteur (and my top-end ships in STO can push about Warp 13 or so, not counting the use of Quantum Slipstream).
I realize they're not canon of course, but it would be interesting nonetheless.
This video reminded me that that is mod for Space Engine that let's you fly Star Trek ships with realistic alcubiere warp drive.
TBH the TNG scale... needs a refit. Considering that Warp 9 is in of itself it's own warp scale with further and further decimal places added to it.
My theory is that 24th cen warp is actually 23rd cen transwarp. No one ever said the excelsior ever failed her tests. Maybe that's how excelsior got over one side of the alpha to the beta quadrant so quickly. Being the first ship with the 'future warp'
Though an interesting theory I doubt it's true, given that if they HAD
transwarp it would be called transwarp and then other ships that are
said to HAVE transwarp, such as the Borg, wouldnt make much sense...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios my idea is that it was transwarp until it was standard. Then it was easier to just call it warp.
Except that doesnt explain why the term would then be used to describe something COMPLETELY different... Transwarp looks NOTHING like warp at all...
1701-E, have a spore drive hehehe. Btw i just watched the Voy S2E15 and, yeah warp 10 transforms a human in a lizard hahaha
Poor you having to watch that episode :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I'm watching again all stt series till the new Picard's series come out. Just finished TNG and DS9.
I do that occasionally as well :)
don't let Captain Archer near your warp drive. he will steal it
LOL indeed!
Am I the only one asking themselves what that omious f(W) term in the equation is?
Wait, so if the warp scale was redrawn, how does that change the actual length of time it takes a ship to get somewhere?
Mathematically!
I need to see a chart lol
LOL dont we all? :P
Warp speed is fast. That is a fact.
LOL Indeed it is!
I get it, Warp 10 does weird stuff. But they could have used the crystals that caused it to be possible for increasing their speed for the trip home.
I wonder, do you think they might have had some transwarp ability at this point...something perhaps in an experimental stage? STO is filthy with the whole thing and I mean that in a good way.
Well fortunately STO is not canon so cant be relied on for ANY factual information... And no I dont think they did, since Transwarp exists and they mention it a bunch of times... So if they had transwarp of some kind they would have named it that...
I leave it up to the fact we were to just use our imagination to what Happened. STO really needs to be tossed in some cannon wise. They have done a brilliant job fleshing out some stories and bringing a few things to conclusion.
That would be impossible... First CBS just licenses Trek to them so in order for ANYTHING to become canon from the game, CBS would have to show or refer to those events on screen in an episode or movie... To do that they'd have to pay royalties to do that and why should they when they can make up their own stories? Second, you cant just pick and choose what you want from the game to canon, it would be absolutely confusing... And would cause MANY arguments... Third, there's too much going on in STO for it to be canon, it's designed for game play, not reality...
You make a good point, there is alot going on and most of it is really good. I'm keeping an open mind for the new series that keep sprouting up. I just really enjoy my STO so much more, I'm just one who is totally in love with TOS but willing to let the new stuff stand on it's own legs.
Thank you, and I love STO myself, Ive been there since the original Beta :)
I don't see how any effects on humanoid body could prevent travel at that speed. Simply initiate a transport sequence and store the travellers in the transporter buffer matrix until arrival, and rematerialize them at the destination.
That would be a great idea, except at this point in Trek History it would be impossible to do for any length of time... Also then what happens if something goes wrong during travel?
i know this wont likely be taken into factor but would you do a video on warp speed on Star Trek Online its warp factors go over warp 9.999 making a theory that the federation had to rewrite the scale again in the late 24th century early 25 century fastest speed ive seen was warp 24.54 without the use of the quantum slip drive which would improve the speed by 60% which the max ive seen would increase warp 24.54 to warp 39.26
Yeah since STO is not canon, nothing from it can be used as factual... Thus im hesitant to do a video like that as these videos deal with canon only, and videos like that can confuse new fans or even old fans!
why is 23rd century warp slower?
A chart would do wonders to aid in understanding. I was waiting for it to show up the whole video.
Thats odd, since no one here or in my other video 23rd Century Warp has said anything like that... In fact, Everyone comments how easy the video is to understand... Oh well guess you cant please everyone!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios no need to get butt hurt about it, it was constructive criticism.
Im not butt hurt, merely replying to your comment... Just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean they are upset!
You forgot the best speed in all of str trek: Plot convinience speed :D
I got a simple answer for warp 10 simply have the crew in a transporter buffer or save their patterns and reassemble them after they get to their destination and simulate their personalities on the ship through their computer so they can talk about the meaning of life as computers quot the prime directive I am trying to figure out a way to get Wesley to shut up while drinking coffee , earl gray or Romulan ale
Except that would never work... Even Scotty, who was a miracle worker could only get that plan to being 50% reliable!
So taking off from earth, would only take them what, a minute or two to get to mars?
Warp 1 would be between 182 and 1342 seconds depending on distance between Earth and Mars. Orbital mechanics probably changes these numbers, although at the speed of light and above I'm not sure it would be more than a second or 5.
Warp 2 (thrse are 23rd century) is 23 seconds to 167 seconds and so on to Warp 5 at 1.5 seconds to 10.5 seconds. Not sure you'd want to go quicker than that, lol.
www.space.com/24701-how-long-does-it-take-to-get-to-mars.html
Where in *_canon_* is it *_stated_* the warp scale was re-written or re-calculated or re-whatever in TNG/24th century???
Easy EVERYWHERE... In the original series the Enterprise reached speeds over warp 10 often with no one saying hey we just hit warp 10 infinite velocity... But in the TNG Era it is often stated that warp 10 was the limit... Ergo sometime in between TOS and TNG the warp scale was rewritten! Canon doesnt have to be directly stated... It can be shown or even implied... IE I dont need to see Gravity, to know a planet visited by an away team has it!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thanks for answering! It's an honour to hear from the content creator. But doesn't future Riker specifically order warp 13 in "All Good Things..."? (And just to throw a spanner in the works, there is always this canon, clearly stated on screen quote from the TNG episode "Conspiracy":
Riker: "Increase to warp six."
LaForge: "Aye, sir. Full Impulse.")
I don't think TNG-era was any more consistent about speed than TOS.
Well no problem... As to your questions...
1) All good things was a fake reality created by Q, so cant be taken as fact... Even if it wasnt, it had been 25 years since TNG ended which means theres more then enough time for it to be rewritten again...
2) The Laforge statement was Laforge merely saying he was increasing the speed quickly... IE aye sir, really fast...
TNG was completely consistent with it's own warp scale! Besides we know the scale was rewritten for TNG thanks to the production team saying so... And although that is not canon since it's rel life, since they followed those rules it is in fact canon!
So why do the stars smear whatever warp speed is selected?!
Thats the view from inside the layer of subspace...
Of course! 🤔
A math lesson? You slapped me with a math lesson? AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!🤬🤬
You're Welcome :P
Honestly the worst thing I think Trek ever did was come up with the whole concept of Warp Ten being infinite velocity. And I mean they quite handily forgot about it for All Good Things where the Pasteur was travelling at warp 13. They should ha e just kept going up the scale
In "All Good Things" it was demonstrated that the modified \ refitted Enterprise "D" in the early 25th century, was able to travel routinely at warp 13.
All Good Things was a FAKE timeline created by Q, like a dream sequence, so nothing from that FAKE timeline can be taken as credible or evidence of anything... PLUS even if it was real... There's 25 years between TNG and All Good Things so that's MORE then enough time to rewrite the Warp Scale again!
Ironically, the scale was changed because TOS warp factors would have made space travel too fast. To make TNG ships faster than TOS ships along the same scale one could explore the galaxy in a few months. They needed a way to make TNG ships significantly faster without making them too fast. That’s why you have the insane jump in speed from Warp 9.9 to Warp 10.
Sadly, the plot writers needed even faster speeds and had to make up slipstream drive, transwarp corridors, under space, etc. to show it’s possible to go way faster without hitting Warp 10 via conventional warp drive.
That's not exactly true... it was Roddenberry who wanted the scale changed to make TNG ships faster yet not have ridiculous numbers like Warp Factor 20 etc... If you watch my 23rd Century Warp Video then you know that even Warp 14.1 wasnt faster then the TNG Scales...
Riker: "Guess we'll have to do it the old fashioned way.. Get us outta here, *Warp 13!*
I wasn't a huge fan of the whole; "Warp 10 is infinite speed, causing you to occupy every point in the universe simultaneously...- Oh and also make you a lizard thing that becomes an invasive species, after doing the nasty (mating) on an alien planet...I guess...".
Just wasn't for me _for some reason..._ :P
Well Rikers statement doesnt really change or even mean anything.
As either the warp scale was re-written once again at some point as similar to that of how the TOS- TNG warp scale was re-written OR More likely, since THAT future was simply a scenario created by Q like Sherwood Forest, it has no meaning what so ever!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Very good points, and astute observations!
While we're on the topic... I always LOVED the look of the Galaxy X- Class.
Warp speed is really slow then compare to some of the esp. It would have to be a light year per minute on some of the shows look at when Enterprise 1107 was thrown 999.5 light years traveling back took them less then a day at warp 12
It's easier to say that starships travel at the speed of plot.
I’m disappointed you didn’t mention that in an alternate universe the refitted Enterprise-D was stated as having a warp factor of at least 13 and what the math on that would have.
Course between stardate 47988 and Voyager’s second year in the Delta Quadrant the warp scale could’ve been altered or slightly reworked making warp 13 obsolete to warp 10s infinite speed
Subscribed now nonetheless
That's because it wasnt an alternate universe but an illusion created by Q, like Sherwood Forest, or the Court, so it's not factual!
TriAngulum Audio Studios all the years and dozens of times I watched that episode and i missed that it was an illusion? Well off to watch it a dozen more times
LOL well it cant be reality, given the events since! :) Besides Q has NEVER sent anyone to an alternate universe, he merely creates an illusion! Hope you have fun though!
If I appeared rude and/or offensive in my recent comments it was not my intention and I sincerely apologize. I'm just confused about it that's all. I will look up what you suggested and hopefully it will make sense to me. Once again I meant no offense and if you like I will unsubscribe from your channel. It would be a shame to do so because I do enjoy your videos, but if that is your wish I will do so. I am also sending you a $5 thank you so I hope there's no hard feelings.
No no, not at all! I was never offended or angry with you! I merely closed the thread because it was going nowhere and I dont have the time to keep saying the same thing... Unfortunately I get hundreds of comments weekly and try my best to respond to as many as I can, and If I get stuck on one that isnt going any further, I just shut it down as a matter of policy! So I do appreciate the 5.00 but it wasn't necessary! You're all good in my books!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thank you for accepting my apology and if if it's not too inconvenient could you maybe please suggest some websites that would help it make sense to me? Not trying to argue, I am genuinely confused.
I would start with the TNG and DS9 tech manuals... Memory Alpha is also another great resource! Other than that you'd need to brush up on physics!
@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thanks I'll do that. I understand why it's impossible to accelerate to light speed because doing so would require an infinite amount of energy and the universe just doesn't have that much to spare, but the whole warp 10 limit thing even though it's all made up has always confused me. Anyway I won't bother you with this anymore.
Even though you might be confused by it, I assure you it not only makes sense, but is scientifically accurate! Good luck on your learning!
OK then. In the Voyager episode 'The Gift'. Kess transends to that other stage & in the process catapults Voyager 9.5 thousand light years in seconds. Anybody? Oh & don't tell me the no.42 has something to do with it.😳
She didnt fling them at Warp per say, the effect was different, more like Q's ability, so it must have been something else!
You sound a little bit like Geordi :D
And Warp 10 your having slimy lizard babies with a captain
They could easily fix that by saying it was a by product of particles found in that area of space, and that by using a special filter system, ships can hit Warp 10 without ill effects.
There’s something that’s never sat right with me about voyager. The distance she travelled with the help they had.
1) kes weird funky mind powers 10 years
2) malon subspace corridor 2 years
3) slip stream (first time around 1 year)
4) slipstream second time around 15 years
5) transwarp coil 20 years
Also forgetting the amount of time she spent at warp probs about 15000 light years it doesn’t add up. (Interestingly she was about to cross into the beta quadrant in endgame)
Well they did play pretty fast and loose sometime with these things :P
I liked this vid, what do you think of SW's hyperdrive compared to warp drive? Of course hyperdrive is MUCH faster as they can travel across the entire galaxy in a few days as compared to decades with Voyager. But they do have the limitation of only using existing lanes. Also in the movies they call it the jump to lightspeed which is much slower than anything beyond warp 1 on the original scale I dunno. Personally I think warpdrive is more "versatile" since they don't have to use fixed routes but obviously hyperdrive is much faster. Also something that drives me NUTS with Trek is in newer iterations such as The Kelvin timeline and DSC see using the different abbrevation is while in warp their sensor data is VERY limited compared to the original timeline. So much so that when they enter a star system they don't even know what's there whereas in the other iterations they could easily scan whatever their normal sensor range is while at warp. Also what did you think of DSC's explaination about why the spore drive was forgotten? I thought it was okay and was glad they at least did address it.
TBH im not a fan of Star Wars so I know very little about it so I cant really comment as it would be an uninformed opinion... Also what makes you think DSC is a different abbreviation of warp? And any differences in sensor functionality could be attributed to it being 10 years before TOS... Star Trek Enterprise ALSO had this same problem... I dont think it was a case of the Spore Drive being forgotten... First it was a classified Project all along. Second in S1 we're told Starfleet is suspending the project due to the harm it does to humans, harmful to humans = no go for Starfleet. Third their only working model of that system was "destroyed," (Sent 950 years to the future) So there's nothing to even test new theories on... So I think it all works!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I meant the different abbreviation for Discovery "DSC" for discovery since you didn't care for the other abbreviation. Yeah it mostly works but I guess what really bugged me about it was how well known section 31 is in Starfleet on DSC they're supposed to be a super secret organization almost no one knows about but they're easily identifiable and well known among at least the Captain rank. But that's a WHOLE other tangent.
The OFFICIAL abbreviation for Discovery is DSC... NOT anything else... TNG, DS9 VOY ENT all follow the exact same type of pattern. And it is, as Ive already said, Disrespectful to call it by a derogatory name... I stand by this channel being a NON TOXIC environment, so that nonsense will not fly here... This is a channel rule, the end! We dont know if Section 31 is unknown in DSCs time... This could be something that started as a secret organization before ENT then gradually came in to the light like the Tal Shiar, then was forced back in to the shadows after the DSC S2 events... It makes perfect sense and lines up nicely with canon!
Have you ever thought about opening up a discord?
Indeed I have, but Ive never thought there would be enough people WANTING to speak with me to justify one...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Well you have my full support in it. I'm really interested in what you got to say on some matters within the Trek-verse
Well thank you for the support and Ill consider it :)
Gosh, im early to this one hahaha
Well Grats :)
If all this is true then can someone please tell me how to reconcile the fact that we regularly see stars passing the Enterprise by like the old Windows screensaver. Wouldn't that imply a travel speed of well over Warp 10?
No not at all... You have to keep in mind that a starship traveling at warp drops in to a layer of subspace, the star streaks are a part of that!
TriAngulum Audio Studios Really? 🤨
@@malloryemclaren Yes
top speed of starship in 24 century where insanely fast.
I thought the maximum Warp Speed of the Enterprise E is Warp 9.985
The maximum warp has never been said on screen thus not canon. Warp 9.985 comes from a documentary and so that's why it is not canon!
According to this map, one of the most detailed and official ones I could find of the Star Trek Federation. The closest border of the Romulan Neutral Zone is less than 30 light years away from Earth.
There is no OFFICIAL map, sorry, only whats seen or heard ON SCREEN is canon!
I thought by the tine of Star Trek 2, the warp factor was changed to the 24th century version. In ST4, Sulu counts off warp speed, eventually reaching warp 10, which is what kicks them into time warp around the sun. Otherwise I'd think he would go up to a much larger number. No?
No sorry you are incorrect... Its still all old warp scale in ALL the TOS Movies!
Hemm I thought the warp 10 episode is no longer cannon
Dont know where you got that idea...
TriAngulum Audio Studios my bad, there was a rumour about the writer disliked that episode so much they “decannoned”it .just checked the sources they just agree it was not good...
@@karlph1sher344 Ahhh I see, just always remeber canon is a matter of fact... NO ONE can de-canon anything... Once it's on screen for the public, that's it, it's canon :)
"A ship of that time would take 35 days"
*shows the USS Discovery*
No I don't think Discovery would take 35 days. Unless something happened to Stamets
Well something has... Have you not seen S2 of DSC? BUT even so the USS Discovery was the ONLY ship with this drive and Starfleet cancelled the project until and unless a safer way to use it was discovered...
Well I was referring to Discovery pre-wormhole and before all that Control problems. The spore drive is an exception but then again, it isn't warp so it doesn't have a warp factor so it doesn't have a place in this video anyway. I just threw that out cuz I saw Discovery
btw don't forget the Glenn had a spore drive too ;)
But it was destroyed so that wouldnt help :P
Well.... can't really argue with that.
Spores are still faster tho :v
True it certainly is, and there will be a Trek Facts episode on the Spore Drive so no worries ;) :P
Trying to explain the inexplicable. And utter implausible.
And yet here it is, all done for you... You're welcome!
This completely throws the scale of the universe out, the 4 quadrants of the galaxy must now represent less than 1 percent of the milkyway. Also, why are stars flying past so quick?
Why do you say that? Besides the obvious :P And that's because when the ship drops in to subspace that's the view from inside the ship! Warped Stars...
Ok I think I've figured it out ( sort of ) there is no actual physical speed limit, just a limit to how fast ships can go using current engines. Once the Federation has perfected either transwarp or slipstream travel they'll create a new chart to explain the new speeds. And don't worry I'm not going to argue about the spore drive because I've already traveled the galaxy using magic mushrooms and all without leaving my couch too. Of course it could also all just be made up by screenwriters, but nah that would be silly.
Sorry, again you are incorrect, there IS an actual speed limit, it is warp 10, infinite warp... At that speed, because a vessel is traveling SO fast, it occupies ALL points in the Universe!
To me the warp 10 barrier was always kinda pointless cause it never really stopped ships from going faster, you just needed to add more nines. Sure you can't go warp 10 but you can go warp 9.9, warp 9.99, warp, 9.999, etc. Just keep piling on those nines and you can go as fast as you want.
Yes, that's how an exponential scale works! And once you reach a certain 9.999+ you switch to transwarp! It makes sense!
@TriAngulumAudioStudios But if you can just keep going faster and faster, why have a speed limit in the first place? What is the ultimate speed limit for Star Trek ships in terms of multiples of light speed? How many times the speed of light can they go before they just can't go any faster? Ten thousand? a hundred thousand? a million? a billion?
@@G74 Well, the ultimate speed is Warp !0 or infinite velocity... Meaning you can't go any faster as you occupy every point in the universe simultaneously! And again, it makes sense!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios But if you can just keep going faster and faster without limit but at the same time there's a speed limit that says you can't go faster than this, how does that make sense?
@@G74 Well there's the flaw in your logic... Where do you get that you can just keep going faster and faster? In what episode or movie did you get that idea? Answer; you didn't, as this is just something you made up in your head. As previously stated, reach a certain 9.999+ you switch to transwarp! At that point it's no longer measured on the Warp Velocity Scale IE Warp 9.9999999, but rather uses a different measurement that eventually leads to Infinite Warp, or Warp 10! So again, it makes absolute sense! And if you look at Physics, that's how things work, with absolute numbers for everything, See absolute Zero...
Anyhow, Im closing this thread off here now as you're just running around in circles, saying the same incorrect things but expecting a different answer... Your logic is just flawed, and it it all does make sense! Take care!
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Still does not make sense to me how some of the speeds and distances work out in ST... On the show they travel between different start systems under a day at speeds below WARP 9 (usually used during emergencies not cruise), this is only taken into account ALPHA C which is relatively close, other system could be much further apart.
That statement is incorrect, on average there is a week and a half between episodes!
Why is there such a discrepancy in warp factors in different centuries? Is there an "in universe" explanation or is it just careless script writing?
It would have been helpful to explain WHY there was a re-write of the warp scale from the 23rd to the 24th centuries.
Perhaps the subject of a new video??
Unfortunately it can't be done as Canon has not given us a reason as to why it was rewritten... We simply know it was...
If the answer to your math is infinity (and you are not using infinity as one of your operands) you did something wrong.
I dont create the equations, I just report them!