Nope, impossible to enjoy both. If you watch a single episode of Star Trek without seeing a Star Wars movie, you are forever locked in as a Trekkie. It's a database limitation unfortunately.
That is just plain crap. I love both and enjoy both. Though the Star Wars books tend to be better written and more enjoyable. And now the new SW stuff sucks thanks to Disney making a Clusterfuck of it all. Thanks Disney and your arrogant "we are the only cannon" BS!
Its 6 years late bit idk... Hyperdrives is not limited to hyper lanes those are just the safest routes. You can jump in any direction anywhere but its a high chance that you hit a Star or something that can oull you out do tó its gravity
The Millenium Falcon took 3 days to travel from, say, Coruscant to Corellia. You could use that, and I’ve heard people say it would take roughly 2 weeks to travel from point A to point B (The Galaxy). Hope that helps!
Who the fuck is calling his drugs deathsticks anyway? It`s not commercially viable to narrow down your customer base to suicidal persons and murderers.
in star trek, warp doesn't involve alternate dimensions. You can still hit stuff I'm pretty sure, but most ships have the deflector dish to keep that from happening
Transwarp pretty much makes like some sort of wormhole (correct me if im wrong), but in Star Trek Online at least, the ship makes a wormhole so it can travel from point A to point B instantly
Yes, in the description of this video we have a little not to Trek fans saying we are just comparing to the regular warp drive. But you are right, transwarp has more similarities to hyperdrive, with transwarp conduits etc...
There's at least three kinds of transwarp drive. One that requires transwarp coils and creates a corridor as the ship travels, it's the slowest of the three but it's also as flexible as warp drive when it comes to going off of set paths. (NOTE: This is also similar to Quantum Slipspace Drive) One that creates a corridor that can be accessed via a deflector dish, it's faster than standard warp drive, but doesn't allow for going off the rails and it was only seen once. Finally, you've got the Transwarp hub, which creates permanent corridors that allow for traveling across the galaxy in minutes.
Thank you RedShirt047. That second one, was that the one Tom Paris used and then "evolved" into a whatever that was. He and Janeway made baby critters together.
Piett has a good line about this. When they are hunting the Falcon, he brings up the possibility they escaped and they could be "halfway across the galaxy by now"
Well yes, hyperdrive is faster, but it's complicated as hell. Warp is far, FAR more flexible. Trek now has Quantum Slipstream, which is an obvious Hyperdrive ripoff, but the better sensor tech of Trek allows them to simply go into it and out of it will.
Rolk Flameraven yeah, but even Quantum slipstream is still slower. Considering time used in a travel from solar system to solar system. The Traveler is the only one who helped a ship achieve ridiculous enough speed to travel to the edge of the universe where you could literally alter the universe by your thoughts. Although it won’t be permanent unntill the universe has grown past that fixed point. Hyperdrive is riduculously faster then anything Star Trek has to offer on a natural scientific basis. Slipstream is estimated to lay at Warp 24.
There is zero canonical evidence to indicate Slipstream is confined to "Warp 24", period. The Voyager episode where they tried to use one to fly home saw the ship cross tens of thousands of light-years in a couple of onscreen minutes and its closest analog, Borg transwarp drive, DID take the Voyager from well into the Delta Quadrant to Earth's doorstep in little more than an eye blink. SW fanboys and their made up nonsense never cease to crack me up.
Since ships in Star Wars 'jump' to hyperspace, I have always assumed that they used an Einstein-Rosen Bridge, ie a 'aryificial' wormhole to travel between points. Because you are folding space the distance between any two points is the same, up to the range of the hyperdrive unit. If a destination is out of your range then you have to make more than jump. Therefore the speed in Star War is rather unimportant. Even though the M Falcon is rated at .5 over lights peed in the first movie, the never really talk about speed of ships. All journeys seem to take less than a day. They never talk about it taking a week to reach Dantooene like they alway do in Star Trek. Finally, I don't think I remember an occasion in Star Was where someone left after another ship and got to the same destination before the ship they were chasing. That would same support the idea that time to destination is a constant and that physical distance between points in real space makes no difference. This is entirely different than Star Trek where a warp field bubble is generated and normal space is pulled and pushed past the ship so that the ship inside the bubble never actually exceeds the speed of light and thereby violating the laws of physics but still effectively traveling faster than light . I think as a practical matter, Gene Roddenberry was always interested in keeping it scientifically accurate within the Canon of the universe, where as George Lucas was interested in story and the science was whatever sounded cool and later authors have tried to find science that would explain Lucas' ideas. Not that Star Trek doesn't fudge it sometimes.
I help you a Imperial 1 class Star Destroyer with its basic hyperdrives van travel the 200.000x of the speed of light so to travel from the galactic South to the galactic North you have to travel 3 days az maximum
And the hyperspace is another dimension só whole you jump to hyperspace you actually enter a 4th dimensional space or some higher level dimension where is no relativity theory
What I've always wondered was how they get instant communication across vast distances. Such as the battle scene in Rogue One at Scariff. Light can only travel at one speed, and radio waves are a form of radiation> Just something I've been curious about
Something something micro hyperspace lanes, I think is the canon answer. For a more technical explanation, gravity screws with hyperspace. A blackhole, for example, creates a region of space where hyperspace isn't stable enough to travel through, which is why they have hyperlanes. However, a radiowave can be transmitted into hyperspace, and since it's just an unfathomably small particle it isn't affected by the forces that would tear a ship to pieces, therefore travelling in a straight line from point A to B.
My favorite part about Star Trek is how illogical they are when it comes to distances and measurements. A swarm of alien vessel is 10,000 klicks away and can be visibly seen a few seconds later swarming the ship. VOY The Swarm
Long story short: with full warp Voyager would take 75 years to get home, while in Star Wars ships travel from one corner of th e galaxy to another in a matter of hours.
But wait, I can do ya one better. In Edge of the Empire, specifically Fly Casual, it provides us with a table at the back of how long in days it would take to get from one planet to another, following hyperlanes, with a Class 1 hyperdrive. Included was the time to get from Duro to Corellia, and vice versa, which is 0.5 days, or 12 hours. These two systems are so close together that they're represented by the same dot on a Galaxy map. So using this information, we can probably deduce that they're neighbouring systems. And for the sake of having an established distance, let's just assume that the distance is ~4 lightyears. That is, after all, the average distance between neighbouring stars, and is even comparable to the distance between Sol and Alpha Centauri (4.22 lightyears). Using the TNG Warp Scale, this would make Class 1 hyperdrives roughly as fast a Warp 9.6. Most freighters have Class 2 and Class 3 hyperdrives, which would make the trip 24 hours and 36 hours long respectively. Making Class 2 comparable to Warp 9, and Class 3 to Warp 8. The GR-75 Medium Transport, the Star Wars equivalent to a commercial airliner, has a Class 4 hyperdrive, making the trip in 2 days. This makes it comparable to Warp speeds between Warp 7 and Warp 8. Many backup hyperdrives were Class 15, which would take 7.5 days, or 180 hours. This would make them faster than Warp 5. So if someone from Star Wars were to end up in the 24th Century, and they end up on a Starfleet commercial vessel, then they would find it to take forever, as it is the speed of a backup hyperdrive, or even slower. Whereas you get a Starfleet Officer in the Galaxy Far Far Away, and he's travelling at incredibly fast speeds every other day.
Oh now I would love to see a scene where someone from star wars e.g. Han ends up on ENTERPRISE D and when it goes to say whatever warp factor you want Han's all like This thing go any faster?
The Star Wars Essential Atlas, of course, gives way more specific scale and distance data, with one square on the Atlas equally approximately 5217.391 light years across (per total 120,000 LY scale of the map)
Pedro Wolffen hear is the star wars theory for you trekkie dumbass that was too lazy to check and start commenting , the hyperdrive was basically a "machine" that was able to change the speed of anything that was powered to it so it could go as fast or faster than light , once the hyperdrive was ignited , the ship (or anything transplanted to it) will go to "hyper space" , "hyper space" is a reality where anything will be able to travel in the speed of light (or even more faster) , but the poor thing is that this "hyperspace" is actually just looking like a massive tunnel , so if you have an electromagnetic field generator that was able to detect anything inside the "hyperspace" , you could actually make them thrown out from the "hyper space" . so basically the hyperdrive is like a teleportation device , makes pretty much sense
Pedro Wolffen Actually, the Alcubierre theory is a real life warp theory that was inspired by Star Trek, not the other way around. Star Trek started in the 60's, Alcubierre didn't create his theory until the 80's or 90's.
Pedro Wolffen no, it isn't. Being theoretically possible doesn't mean it actually is possible. And anyway, it's completely irrelevant to the point. Hyperdrives are faster than warp drives.
Imagine combining the benefits of both. Hyper drive is great for long distance travel, but warp drive is far more useful as an exploration vessel and is far more maneuverable. It would also likely be useful as an effective escape vessel since it could travel down routes that someone in warp drive couldn't just drop into while also opening up alternative hyperspace lanes or using warp speed as a short cut between lanes. If two lanes came close to each other, one might be better off dropping out of hyperspace and going into warp. It may be slower, but it could be better overall for time taken.
I'm not a Trekie but comparing some Star Trek devices as well as the Food Replicator it seems that Star Trek is more advanced in mobile tech while Star Wars is more advanced in bigger technology like hyperdrives and cities and maybe gravity generators.
billyboyjennings are you kidding me mate ? more advanced and complex , what year are you loving on , 1998 ? star trek's is samller true , but advanced and complex ? lol the most funniest comment i ever see in the internet .
@@emttheindon3597 well, can i see a weapon in star wars thats not mechanically mounted or aimed by hand? Or a replicator? Or a holodeck? Or a shield that can (mostly) stop smaller ships from ramming it? (RIP the USS Odessey)
Hi gen tech! thanks for this video and thanks for the link at the end!! I am not sure if it was deliberate but people are saying you 'sent them'!! :) Keep up the great content!
Hey, idea for you on Star Trek VS Star Wars. When comparing the two and trying to figure out which is more advanced, the hyperdrive VS warp drive is a good place to start. The hyperdrive isn't as powerful as you might think though. It's main purpose is to boost a ship to near-lightspeed, then use a "trick" to shunt the ship into the dimension of Hyperspace. Hyperspace does all the FTL work, the ship just has to get up to lightspeed. By comparison, Star Trek has no Hyperspace, so warp drives need to do all the work, not just a small fraction of it. While warp drives are relatively slower than hyperdrives, they're able to go much faster than lightspeed (by massive increases in multitudes, and factors) under their own power. This means they require a LOT more power, so Star Trek's ships' power generation is much more advanced as well. From power, you go to other tech, like phasers, shields, sensors, etc, and you start to get an idea of how it all scales. But back to the point, I just wanted to point out that hyperspace, while extremely fast, it relies on that "trick" of letting Hyperspace do all the work. Without the dimension of Hyperspace (which Star Trek doesn't have), hyperdrives would effectively be warp drives that get around warp 1 and nothing more. EDIT: Sorry, forgot to add this detail in. The power generation. Most tech in Star Wars relies on fusion reactors/generators that's refined to the point they can scale them up and down as needed. Meanwhile in Star Trek, the warp drive is powered by a dedicated matter/anti-matter reactor (warp drive), which is considered one of the next steps up from fusion nuclear reactors in generating even more power (Going from wind/water power to burning wood/coal, to fission nuclear reactors (current power generation type in the real world), to fusion nuclear reactors, to matter/anti-matter reactors). When you take into account that matter/anti-matter reactors would have little-to-no power loss from their process (all the others do lose energy in their processes), the power bump from them is even more massive an increase from the previous types. That, and the fact the Enterprise-D stated in TNG's early seasons repeatedly that the rest of the ship was powered by multiple fusion reactors distributed throughout the ship.
Tf you mean hyperspace is " a trick " Its a technology to enter another dimension. Is the warpdrive also a trick, because you dont actually go fasT, but instead bend spacetime?
@@haku7335 That's an oversimplification that leaves a lot of stuff out, an absolutely no what I was getting at. Hyperspace does almost all the work, where hyperdrives do very little (lightspeed) and use less power. Warp drives do all the work, power through real space, use MUCH MORE power, and go MUCHMUCHMUCH faster than lightspeed. If you're going to start an argument, get my shit right, or stfu.
Michael King since the Force doesn't exist on Earth the First Order would fall apart. No lightsabers, no force powers, and oh yeah the very few Star Wars ships that could actualy operate in space only project thrust in one direction, meaning they can't steer or slow down. Non of the Trek shit works in the real world, either. That's what happens when you remove the fiction from "science fiction". Earth wins every time.
Federation would win, but it would be a second Dominion War in its devastation. An individual Star Destroyer is no match for even a Constitution class starship. They are faster, more maneuverable, and heavily armed, just like those REBEL FIGHTERS the Empire ends up loosing to. They also seem to have better tactics and more experience and their training is far superior and creative. Federation Crews are much better at making things up on the fly. Imperial ships are massive and slow at sub light. They are armed to the teeth, but unless those turbo lasers are actually disruptors, then its a toothless cat against Federation ships. It would be a mistake to allow one to drop troops and taking over one would be a suicidal mistake. But (as with their troops and this includes the hallway scene in A New Hope) they have a 3% hit rate overall, their main strategy being to simply blanket space with weapons fire. On that note they have a huge blind spot behind the ship which Rebel fighters constantly exploit. They work best when they hunt in packs and their sheer numbers makes them a giant threat for the Federation. Assuming they could map out hyperspace lanes in the Milkyway, their large fleet could overwhelm starfleet which (while its fleet is probably just as big) could take months if not years to get a large number of ships into position. But their training seems poor, they don't adapt to the battle field that well (collisions in both Rouge One and Empire seem to suggest this), crews are more likely to be straggled to death when they make mistakes instead of punished or simply demoted, and they appear to be afraid to counter the orders and strategy of their leadership (Return of the Jedi) to the point of loosing a war. So while the Empire has numbers, very powerful ships and no nonsense tactics, they loose to a poorly funded, ragtag organization with outdated ships. There is no way they could win against an organization such as the Federation.
Note about warp drive. It seems that in Star Trek they can choose various warp speeds. But it was not always called Warp Speed. If you look at the pilot episode of the original Star Trek, aka The Cage, you will see Spock refer it as Time Warp.
Actually it's an interesting question with 2 interpretations. Obviously, Hyper Drive (Hype) allows you to travel greater distance in normal space in less time but, how fast is the ship traveling through hyperspace itself? If I have to walk around a house to get somewhere and the distance is 300 feet but I jump the fence and cut through the yard and walk 50 feet to the other side, I didn't travel the 300 feet. So, are the laws in hyperspace different allowing ships to travel past lightspeed to cover the same distance faster, or are these hyperlanes actually short cuts that cut across the 'neighbor's yard' of the universe allowing conventional engines to be fast enough to cover this shortened distance? Either way, hype is faster than warp. Warpdrive doesn't actually move the ship. It generates a field that distorts space so space is compressed behind and expanded in front of the ship, creating a pressure gradient that moves the bubble of space forward. The ship simply gets dragged with this bubble. Like standing on a conveyor belt.
It's actually much closer than you think. Enterprise's top speed is 6000c, which means it can go appox. 5913 light years in a day. I dunno what the people of star trek were thinking but it would only take 17 days, and not 75 years to cross the milky way. So yeah, millennium falcon is faster, but not by much.
uhh if it travels at 6000 times the speed of light it means it will travel 6000 lightDAYS in one day not 6000 lightYEARS in other words its 16.42 lightyears per day so it would take 6121 days (going from your numbers here im not going to waste time looking the actual galaxy dieameter) or 17 YEARS on full speed. mind you that warp factor of 9.85 is not sustainable for more than few hours and real travel speed will be much slower so yes that 75 year estimate was quite in the realm of fact for the show.
I'll follow up on this. The milky way diameter is about 100.000 light years in total diameter. Voyager got stranded in the "delta quadrant" at a location that was 70,000 light years distance from earth. Also, Voyager's (it's faster than any Enterprise except for the Sovereign class) top speed was 9.975 which translates to about 4300c according to the TNG warp scale. This is 4300 lightdays in one day of course. This is about 11.7 light years per day which translates to 16,3 years of travel at top speed which is unattainable so realistically it would probably be about closer to 25 to 30 years of travel. The series said the initial travel time would have been 75 years so yeah they were off on that but you were way more off with your 17 days estimate.
reason for 75 years estimate is that the warp factor 9.975 was maximum attainable speed for short period of time cruising speed would be around warp 7 or 8 and you have to include refueling and required maintenance stops as well
My theory is that both happen in the same galaxy but aeons apart. Space in Star Wars behaves much more like the skies while space in Star Trek behaves more like the seas. Spaceships in Star Wars can travel faster than light, while that’s a physical impossibility for spaceships in Star Trek. Telepaths in Star Wars can actually manipulate matter, while telepaths in Star Trek can at most thought. After enough galactic destruction caused by the Jedi-Sith battles, The Whills of the Force finally came to the conclusion that allowing sentient beings access to and control of The Force was an astronomical mistake and hit the reset button on the Galaxy, which rescinded and reevolved into the Milky Way Galaxy. The new sentient beings that would go on to become Terran humans, Vulcans, Klingons, Ferengi, Bajorans, etc. no lomger had latent Force abilities. The changes in the galactic physical properties are due to the complete absence of midiclorians. That isn’t to say that there’s no way to communicate with The Force. Legend holds that a few gifted Bajorans recommuned with The Force. Their Force Ghosts are known as The Prophets and are said to hang out near a wormhole connecting the alpha and gamma quadrants.
It is also Stated that Han is one of the few Smugglers who has crossed through the infamous Maw Super Cluster. Now while Han crossing a dangerous rout in 1 Parsec may seem stupid, he is referring to Speed, since the Standard crossing is if my memory is correct, is 5 Parsecs in distance, showing that his ship is quite fast.
It makes more sense to compare Hyperspace travel and Transwarp. Anything from the borg to those dinosaur people in the Voyager series had transwarp capability and moved across the galaxy within a day.
Ships with hyperdrives are like fast low riding cars. Limited to paved roads in good condition. Ships with warp drives are like 4x4 trucks/jeeps with the large tires. Able to go most other places just not as fast. That's just one way of saying it that comes to mind.
Star Trek has Transwarp which kind of acts like Hyperspace but good reminder to everyone the Star Wars reality is over 35,00 years into the future while Star Trek is about 250 years into the future.
+Josey Weik There's no reference point to suggest what the narrative phrase is referring to. "A long time ago...", is a very vague and subjective term. It *could* mean that it took place in the past relative to us. But, it could also be relative to the "narrator", in which case, we have no way of knowing how far into the narrator's past the events of the movies take place. It could be ten years, one hundred years, or more than one thousand years within our far future if you choose to believe that it has any merit, rather than simply being a fairy tale literary device.
In reality warp speed is theoretically possible, while hyper space is only plausible, as there is no evidence for or against it. And a warp drive would be unlimited in its speed anyway. So, the moral of the story is: Both universes are inaccurate one way or another, and sci fi rarely has the answer to life's problems.
Star Wars is straight up fantasy in space while Star Trek is more hard sci fi with few fantasy elements (Q shit and stuff). In Star Wars lore you could actually make up anything you want while Star Trek is a bit more constricted which makes it a bit more interesting and relatable.
Both franchises have a very significant degree of space magic to them. Whether they be replicators or transporters being completely out-there, or the Force being essentially magic in itself.
Fun fact: In the german translation of A new hope, Han sais "Die Kiste macht anderhaltfache Lichtgeschwindigkeit" (this ship does on and a half times the speed of light) and i always wondered, how the traveled between systems in days and not years
Depends on what era of Trek we are talking about. 29th century Federation ships can fold space and jump to other galaxies and also have literal time travel abilities. The Federation overall is vastly superior when it comes to technological advancement compared to Star Wars. SW civilizations have been around for tens of thousands of years and yet they are still being surpassed by a 400 years old Federation. Star Wars tech is pathetic compared to Federation technology after a mere few centuries.
billyboyjennings and also depends on what era we are talking about in star wars , if we go way back than the imperial times into the "old-republic and sith empire" time , everything was much more advanced and badass than anything the ST franchise could put in , and also in that time there are no such thing as "limited hyperdrive area " because the only reason that the limited hyperdrive area exists is because of the empire restricting everything that could make the ruined , so yeah anyting more trekkie ? because star wars universe was 97% more advanced than the star trek universe
Fun fact, 97% of the time when the statistic 97% is used, it is a factitious percentage someone pulled out of their ass... Star Wars ships ARE faster, have higher firepower on the highest end, BUT they don't have nearly as good shield technology, even the original series had better shields, they don't have transporters, replicators, holodecks, and their medical technology is FAR inferior to the Federation by the time of TNG. Star Wars universe IS much more advanced in robotics tech, however, oddly, they seem to have inferior AIs... Also no hologram doctors...
Toa Tahu what do you base your shield claim on exactly ? I can cite multiple exemples where fully functional Fed and Klingon warships were completely obliterated by low velocity ramming attacks or had their shields downed by contact with natural phenomenon, like the gas of a nebula. As for transporters, they're useless in so much perfectly common situation that it got pretty pathetic. It would take an entire book to list everything they can be blocked or disturbed by, including heavy metals, shields, jamming systems, radiations and even some natural ore. Replicators aren't that impressive either. They can't be used to assemble complex systems, like starship components or weapons, just food. The holodeck is a gadget, it does more harm to federation crewmembers than anything. For the medical superiority... seriously ? Find me an exemple of the federation ever being capable of a successful spinal cord surgery like the one Vader received.
Star Wars: you see ships exit the galaxy itself (ESB) and the hub of the galaxy is near the center of the galaxy Star Trek: an entire series was about crossing one single part of the galaxy Yep hyperdrives are stupidly faster then warp drives.
star gate > star wars > star trek stargate has ships that can go from the milky way to pegasus in 4-6 months on a human naquida power core to 4 weeks on a ZPM (zero point module a crystal that pulls energy from antimatter pocket universes)
It has been confirmed to be the actual Star Wars galaxy. It's possible that the ships are traveling faster than light around the galaxy which makes it look like it's turning too fast.
"It has been confirmed to be the actual Star Wars galaxy. It's possible that the ships are traveling faster than light around the galaxy which makes it look like it's turning too fast." .....or it could just be a movie...and a good place to put in a cool looking effect. Just like they do in Startrek from time to time.
Important note I don't think he mentioned... NORMAL hyperdrives vs Military or MF hyperdrives HUGE difference. I believe commercial Hyperdrives were x4 rating, with "fast" ships being x3/x2. Military tended to be x2/x1. Only 2 ships I believe ever go beyond x1. MF is .5 and another freighter that was .75 (if I recall correctly). Their is a rather large speed difference from your standard x4 drive vs a .5 on the MF. Forgive me if I got a number wrong, this is just off memory from many years ago reading about this :)
A Star Destroyer can travel 8 light-years in about 3 minutes 47 sec. According to Star wars legend. And that is with a class 2 hyperdrive. Meaning it is 2x slower Then the Millennium Falcon. At 0.5 hyperdrive. Meaning a class 1 hyperdrive can go 16 light-years in the same amout of time. And a class 0.1 32 light-years faster in the same amout of time.
Using a hyperdrive is like going on a highway and then going onto the roads once you get somewhere. Using a warp drive is like driving through rough terrain directly to the destination.
Truth be told, originally, star trek ships were faster, but as it is in life, one person or entity influences, and is influenced by another. The 2nd set of star wars pictures ships were seemingly faster. To me, it seems that star wars took the star trek concept of transwarp tech and ran with it. Star trek shows humans progress thru time, while star wars seems old and tired - meaning they've even there, done that. Anakin builds a sub sonic pod racer from scrap parts. One thing, no one ever mentions the Borg in these comparasions; their ability to assimilate and absorb technologies. All they need is one ship, ir one group of assimilated people....
mactherealestateman , lmao star wars came first before star trek , anything that you would want to talk about "stealing idea" is a lot of "bullshit" because ST franchise itself actually stole the ideas from SW , but they tried to make it complicated so no one cares about it
NihilusShadow lol a failed tv show that came several years before star wars , oh cmon trekkie you know you could put some "logic" (wait your username is nihilus shadow with a clone trooper profile picture but you are a trekkie ...... illuminati confirmed)
Were you dropped on your head as a child? Star Trek came out in 1966 and Star Wars came out in 1977. A basic comprehension of math would tell you Star Trek came first. And yes my name is Nihilus and I'm a Trekkie, because it's possible to like both. That's also not a clone trooper, it's a Spartan from Halo. I'm not a retarded fanboy that can only like one franchise at a time.
In the Star Wars RPS (multiple editions) with a hyper-drive modifier of 1 (lower is better in SW) it take 96 hours to go from the deep core to the outer rim. That also takes into consideration that you are not traveling in a straight line and that it would take multiple jumps. So it would take ~8 days to go from one side of the galaxy to another. So yes, hyperdrive would be about 100 years faster than a warp drive at warp 9.97.
On the bridge of the Heart of Gold, Zaphod says, "Trillian, hold my, wait," then downs the cocktail he is holding, before continuing, "this empty glass."
Hyperdrive is faster than Warp, hands down. A ship with a hyperdrive can cross the galaxy in a matter of days or weeks, a ship with a warp drive takes 90 years to cross the galaxy.
not with navicomputers, the old "starlanes" are relic of the times of Old republic where ships flew with starcharts on mapped lanes navicomputers can calculate the routes instead but take more time to process the information for jump rathet than using premapped lanes. SW ships can travel space outside of the "lanes" just have to have the stellar bodies map for computer to calculate the route, so in "unknown space" they would have to do series of shorter jumps to map out the space ahead but it would still be MUCH faster than extremely slow hyperdrive (in comparison) and both have nothing on Frame Shift drives from Elite Dangerous where even small craft can traverse the galaxy in matter of hours and large stations can simply jump to the other side of the galaxy or hyperdrives of Stargate where some are advanced enough to travel between galaxies in minutes :)
You now forget that star trek have slipstream drive which makes it a lot faster than hyperdrive and remember warp 1 is the speed of light then Han's ship can only go .5 past light speed, that means his ship can not beat most star trek that travel faster than light speed. Think about it .5 only. Cpt Ezrei Dax's Starship can travel slip stream which means it can get from point a to point b in minutes. Makes hyperdrive very slow.
Taylor Bucannon We're talking about Warp Drive, not slipstream, and I would say slipstream is on par with the Hyperdrive of Star Wars. Hyperdrive is very inconsistent, because they call it "light speed", but the Millennium Falcon made it from Tatooine on the Outer Rim to Alderaan in the core in the length of a conversation.
Uhm dont want to burst your bubble but its whatever the story wants it to be .....In rogue one the death star takes like 10 min to get to scarif if that....in Star trek it takes i think 3 days or a week to get to vuilcan from earth but in the jj abrahms star trek it took about 10 min cause you see kirk try to warn them that they are warping into a trap and running around to get to the bridge...also in Star Trek first contact they go from the neutral zone to earth in like 10 min cause you see them listening to the battle and then decidiing to go and saving the day in the nick of time...it should of taken them waaaayyyy longer...and in enterpise at warp 5 they could get to quonos in 4 days so at warp 9 it would be no time at all....so dont add science to this cause the writers sure and the hell dont
But Voyager couldn't keep the speed of their ship consistent. If their ship should take 70 years to go 70k light years then they must only be able to go under 3 light years a day. But in one of their episodes where Ensign Kim finds a sentient missile the ship travels 3 light years in under on night shift. Due to the attitudes on the shift of it being laid back due to the night shift you would have to assume it is probably only an 8 hour shift or less, because if it was a 12 hr shift then people would take it more seriously because the captain just got off the bridge and is awake for a good portion of the shift. So at that speed they could travel at least 9 light years in a day. Then they should only be 20 light years away. And they run into species they left 10,000 light years ago due to borg tech jump. And that species only works on their transport ships transporting deadly hazardous material 6 months out of the year. So if that is true then the ship can't be more than 3 months away from their home world. So at Ensign Kim speeds Voyager could only run into that species in a 810 light year radius from their home world. And we know that the species isn't faster than Voyager because they keep saying how Voyager is one of the fastest ships in the delta quadrant. There is much more evidence that Voyager series had no idea how fast the ship could go but that is just quickly off the top of my head.
I like how this scales things so in terms of trip time & difficulty, crossing the galaxy w/ millennium falcon == crossing the continental US in a passenger car
The USS Voyager and USS Prometheus have insane maximum warp speeds (nothing as fast as the Millenium Falcon from what I can tell), but their cruising speeds are much lower. Speed is only half the story, you also need stamina and structural integrity to keep up those speeds. The USS Enterprise-D was theoretically capable of warp 9.8 in 2364 at "extreme risk". Have you considered doing a Scimitar versus Super Star Destroyer, two of the most ludicrously overpowered ships from Star Trek and Star Wars?
Imperial Warp technology is middle-of-the-road in its universe: Imperial ships generally beat the Orks, Tyranids, and Tau, and are on par with Chaos when you take reliability into account. Both types of Eldar and the Necrons are faster. But how fast *are* they? Well, Istvaan is about halfway across the galaxy from Terra, and seems like it took them a week or more to make the journey - though they were stationary for part of that. So, faster than the Federation, but slower than Star Wars - maybe on par with Halo's Covenant? All this assumes an "average" journey, and you don't wind up with shenanigans like a fleet arriving before it left or something. It's the warp, after all, and weirdness is kind of its thing.
The Warp is... finicky. It’s really impossible to rank because its speed depends on the mood the Chaos Gods are in at the moment. You could get there in 100 years, you could get there before you even left. It’s not as simple as just moving. It has a higher ceiling than any other FTL method, but its actual speed also wildly varies and you have no idea what you’re going to get.
Hyperdrive is more limited needing pre scouted lanes. However it is alot faster as it lets star wars ships travels cross large sections of the galaxy in days. Meanwhile it would take warp ships years if not decades. Transwarp and slipstream warp is alot faster than even hyperdrive. Tho at least with transwarp it does have a draw back needing conduits but they are able to travel from the delta quadrant to earth for example in a few moments as seen in voyager.
Rumred hyperdrive is limited BECAUSE it is faster. The chances to crash into something are exponentially higher at 5000 lightyears per hours than at half a lightyear per hours.
Actully , if you follow Star Trek, there is Warp 10 speed, which is infinite, meaning a ship that can acces that speed will be in any place in the universe. (that speed was already 'used')
zabij sie - Dude, did you not read the fine print of your official Star Trek fan agreement? You never EVER mention that shitty-ass Voyager episode. As far as your warp speeds are concerned you can go to Warp 15 like Scotty said in TOS.
so does this mean if a star wars ship found its way into the star trek universe it couldn't use its hyperdrive because no hyperdrive lanes and been discovered
so until hyperdrive lanes were mapped safety star wars ships would be limited to sublight speeds which would mean in a battle between the two universes warp drive would have a tactical advantage until the hyperdrive lanes were discovered and mapped
Trek, while still indulging in it's own degree of space magic, is a lot closer to hard sci fi than StarWars. The differences in tech between the two show this more clearly. In almost every metric Trek has superior technology. Picard says it his self. In their universe they know how to convert energy to matter and back again. They manipulate much more exotic particle interactions with more versatile purposes. They toy with fundamental forces to a greater degree than StarWars vessels. And much of this is because in StarWars the technology is there to facilitate stories about the human condition. In Startrek the technology in many cases IS the story. It's more explored, more refined, and better explained for that reason. And that means that in every measure beyond their FTL drives Trek ships are superior because more thought has gone into them. They aren't space faring analogues for WW2 ships and planes. They are highly refined vessels purpose built for their environment.
Bah humbug. They are both fiction, and looking like a smooth designer apple-product is no guarantee of performance, as everyone should know. If you look at transportation speed, or raw energy production, SW outdoes ST by orders of magnitude. ST simply has no answer for superlasers, or 50000ly/day speeds. Energy production btw, is the usual metric to compare civilizations with. The K-scale. Also, are you claiming that transporters arent "magic" or somehow even remotely hard science? How about FTL maneuvers like the stuff picard pulls in TNG?
wimpymind n The super lasers in the SW universe simply deflect of the shielding of Federation, and other factions, shields. Math has been done previously about the power output of Turbo Lasers compared to the absorption/deflection power of Federation shields.
wimpymind n Post-TNG Trek features metaphasic shielding. It allows ships to fly through the plasma corona of stars without problems, they'd actually laugh at turbolasers.
Colin Jackson lol tell that to starkiller base , that shit could blow up an entire fucking solar system with one shot , not even any shield from the star wars franchise could protect the planets , so don't even think about your shield from star trek
Meanwhile, on earth, people beleivd in the science religion of science fiction and totally worship nasa and its technocratic un-emotional humanitarians.
Star Wars hyperdrive is roughly equivalent to transwarp conduits or quantum slipstream on Star Trek. While SW hyperspace travel is faster, it requires pre-defined routes that must be traveled. Like going on a modern highway. Star Trek ships create their own subspace 'bubble' which gives them more flexibility when it comes to the routes they take. Although their travel speed is slower.
star gate > star wars > star trek stargate has ships that can go from the milky way to pegasus in 4-6 months on a human naquida power core to 4 weeks on a ZPM (zero point module a crystal that pulls energy from antimatter pocket universes)
Gods_army_9090 than who ? wanna argue which is the most advanced race or civilisation in fiction ? if the Stargate bastards (idk how to call them) are more advanced than forerunners then how about the Precursors ? How about the time Lords ... I'd like to see something as advanced as a TARDIS made by the ppl in Stargate ... and if you are still not satisfied ... might seem a bit counter intuitive but the singlemost advanced race is aliens EVER seen in fiction comes from HALF-LIFE ... yes ... the G-man is one all-powerful sonova bitch ... he can fuckin teleport through time and space and any dimension at will without using a clunky TARDIS and he can isolate sequences of reality and freeze them in place or move them in a parallel pocket universe or do whatever the hell he wants with them AT WILL he is one with space-time itself ... he is a member of interdimensional beurocrats that are capable of LITERALLY DOING WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT ... they are not bound by any constrictions of the known universe ... he is an incomprehensible being of another existential plain
The Star Wars interstellar travel methodology is obviously inspired by the one used in I. Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy. There the "space jumps" are pretty much instantaneous, and the time it takes to travel between two planets in different solar systems are mostly spent getting away from the gravity wells, calculating next jump and establishing your position when you arrive after a jump. A "fast" ship has a more efficient routing computer allowing the ship to (safely) start and end jumps closer to stars and to do longer jumps in between while still ending up reasonably close to the intended target spot.
Oh boy, where to start. Well for starters, I would take a lot of those calculations you find online with a MASSIVE grain of salt given that many are outdated and a good number use outright fabricated data. Go over every variable in the equation to look for data creep. I should know, I used to be a part of the debate scene which you are charging headlong into. Investigate every claim, even this one. Second, _Voyager_'s trip was going to take so long because A) they couldn't go through the center of the galaxy due to the supermassive black hole there. B) she needed time for repairs and c) she couldn't travel at full warp indefinitely. Finally, that video... isn't particularly accurate to canon from what I can tell. I recommend looking at the old vsbattles.wikia.com/ or the StarfleetJedi forums for data. Although the Star Wars pages for Vsbattles are in need of an update.
The moment he said he was using/seeing that particular POS, full of fanboy BS vid I gave up on the whole shenanigans...he will even use the BS data gathered up by fanboys to push forward his argument...I may as well give up the channel too.
Well I wouldn't give up on the channel at any rate, they still produce good content most of the time. Although depending upon how they handle the video, it may be a good idea to skip it.
First note, most of the explanations are from what is now Legends material so future Star Wars movies may end up contradicting certain facts. It should also be noted the Hyperspace travel happens exclusively in straight lines. Star Trek clearly demonstrates course corrections are possible while at warp speed. It should be noted however that a warp turn has a radius measurable in significant fractions of a light year while coming to a stop, turning the vessel in place, and reengaging warp drive may actually be faster.
star gate > star wars > star trek stargate has ships that can go from the milky way to pegasus in 4-6 months on a human naquida power core to 4 weeks on a ZPM (zero point module a crystal that pulls energy from antimatter pocket universes)
I am a fan of both, and they don't compare! They are both Sci-Fi, and they both feature human beings, but that is about where the comparisons end. Star Wars is Sci-Fi fantacy and throws scientific theory out the window. Star Trek is based on real-world scientific theory. The plot in Star Wars is driven by the on going fight between good and evil. The plot in Star Trek is driven by moral delemas and scientific problem solving. Star Wars creates strange looking alien races to fill up the back ground of settings like Mos Einsley. Star Trek creates fleshed out alien races that may look basically human, but have their own food, music, culture and belifs. (besides the reboot movies, they are good but they aren't real Star Trek.)
In one of the Han Solo trilogy books it says that the Falcon can do 120 lightyears/hr at maximum speed in hyperspace. Apparently, a pilot can adjust the speed of their ship when travelling in hyperspace.
No they aren't. The rebels are TERRORISTS. We only get to see the light and fluffy side of the rebellion in the media. They don't tell you about the medications stolen from convoys that were meant for sick orphans. The food supplies taken from poor farmers eeking out a living on government subsidies. So no, the Empire aren't the bad guys.
I have to disagree with your summaries. Star Trek writers go out of their way to avoid labeling Earth's economic system as anything other than a utopia. We know they don't use money but we also know that there is private ownership so I don't think socialism necessarily applies. Also, the Empire in Star Wars is straight up fascist. If the Empire likes what you're doing they let you do it but if they don't they take your stuff and punish you publicly so everyone else knows to listen and obey. Corporations and Industries that they wanted would be nationalized (government takes possession without paying anyone) to ensure they had exclusive access to certain technologies. That's not capitalism. The Old Republic looks a lot like the U.N., a democratic ideal with little real power and lots of bureaucracy. The biggest difference is that the Old Republic is more business friendly in that they grant the biggest businesses seats in the legislature. Can you imagine if Apple or Exxon Mobil had actual ambassadors to the U.N.?
In order to travel at the speed of light, you and your ship must be converted to light in order to make that possible. Anything short of that, you will burn up in space and nothing will be remaining of you and your ship. Think of a piece of paper that you scan with a scanner. The scanner takes the physical paper that it scans and converts it to "ones" and "zeros" in binary format and then converted to a photo format in which you see on the computer. From that point on, it can be sent via email, which shall arrive in seconds after it is sent.
You want absurd space travel? Try any of the ships from Tanya Huff's Valor series. They travel through a dimension similar to hyperspace that is called Susumi space in universe. Ships traveling in Susumi space are entirely outside of normal time. From the perspective of people who are not in Susumi space, the ships are teleporting from one place to another. From the perspective of the people on board the ships, they spend a certain amount of time traveling through susumi space. Depending on where they're going, that can be just a few hours or several days or even longer.
Sure, if the Star Destroyer could breach the Enterprise (which one are you referring to?) shields, and withstand Photon/Quantum Torpedo hits to the bridge seeing as Star Wars Shields don't actually work.
Bruce Jedi Lee wrong star wars my be faster but star trek weapons and shields are waay more advanced then star wars not to mention they could beam the entire crew of the star destroyer into space plus star wars weapons are completely ineffective against the Enterprise's Shields as Star Wars tends to use lasers in one of the episodes of next-gen it's explicitly mentioned that lasers have zero effect on their Shields
You clearly know nothing about Star Wars. They use plasma not lasers, their weapons are proven to be way superior as they can wipe out all life on a planet and there is nothing that points to star trek weapons being stronger or them having stronger shields. I have seen Star Trek and they have demonstrated nothing that puts them above the empire
How? He just told you that they need a hyperplane to move their ships in FTL. So the Empire shows up in the Milky Way and is stuck in a choke point until it can scout out a lane past all the space wedgies that Trek space is seemingly made out of. Meanwhile Trek ships can warp in fire at ranges and with accuracy that War's ship can only dream about and then warp back out again. Or, you know just fire torps while at Warp as it happens in real space/time and all. Now, if this was the mirror universe attacking the Empire, sure. I think Trek would be hosed as hell. As the Empire could move ships around that whole galaxy in days while it would takes years to decades for a Warp powered ship do the same. Well at least until they get ahold of a hyperdrive and attach it to their own ships that is. Might not even take a rebuild to use, unlike trying to add warp to a War's ship would. As for taking out the Enterprise with ease, unless we are talking about the NX-01 I'm going to have to laugh at you going by what we have seen and dialog talked about in the movies and shows. And if it's the D or E in this fight I honestly don't know if a single ISD could win at all. Adding in the older War's books changes things around though. I will give you that, even if most of the projected power outputs that fans have come up with are crazy.
Bruce Jedi Lee You clearly have not watched *real* Star Trek (I like the reboots, but they are not real Star Trek). Capital ships in Star Trek *dogfight* the Enterprise can do a barrel roll, not to mention it's sheilds can withstand quantum torpedoes. Meanwhile a Star Destoryer is disabled with a few ion torpedoes from a few small bombers.
i believe you have forgotten trans-warp. In Star Trek Voyager there was a thing called trans-warp that could get you from point a to point b almost instantaneously. This was achieved by getting to warp 10 and then activating the trans-warp drive. Thats all i know off the top of my head
The smallest thing: The single largest contributor to the apparent technological stagnation in the GFFA is due to the invention of stable and quasi stable femtomatter. Femto-structures are fabricated in enormous power refineries that encircle rotating black holes, neutron stars, magnetars and other super massive stellar objects. Once discovered, femto-structured matter quickly proliferated through the GFFA and had consequences to nearly all technologies in the galaxy and its satellites. Once it was known that arbitrary geometries of spacetime could be stored and bound in femto-structures to create force vectors and scalar force fields, it became the preferred method for mitigating gravity wells and made planetary escape and reentry cheaper and safer than any other technology. Station keeping operations for levitating platforms became cheap enough to be included into architectural design. Femtomatter changed all forms of engineering and made possible the ecumenopolis planets of the core worlds. It had a dramatic effect on starship construction, allowing a scale in size, energy output, management and weaponry that were previously unattainable. Femto-tech made hypermatter possible, as well as the hyperdrive itself.
I think speed is not important for traveling long distances in space, but I believe it's about multiplying time space, Speed may have a minor part in travel time , however within the same plantary system.
There's another line in Star Wars that hints at extremely high speeds for Hyperspace. In Empire Strikes Back, it looks like it's only been a day or so since they've lost track of the Falcon, and one of the officers says "They could be anywhere in the galaxy by now." Or maybe it's halfway to the other side of the galaxy... one of those two. The point is, that's fast. Assuming the Star Wars galaxy is of comparable size to our own, that would correspond to that 50,000 LY per day, if not faster.
You have a great story ! You put alot of work into it i like. However, The Enterprise weapons and technology are far superior to that of a star destroyer! Good job man! And I just had to say it, you are very handsome and love the acent! Love your channel
Why do people argue about SW vs. ST being better? That's dumb, they're completely different things, and it's possible to enjoy both.
Pocket Heart so true
I do enjoy both...
But Star Wars is still better. ;)
For you.
Nope, impossible to enjoy both. If you watch a single episode of Star Trek without seeing a Star Wars movie, you are forever locked in as a Trekkie. It's a database limitation unfortunately.
That is just plain crap. I love both and enjoy both. Though the Star Wars books tend to be better written and more enjoyable. And now the new SW stuff sucks thanks to Disney making a Clusterfuck of it all. Thanks Disney and your arrogant "we are the only cannon" BS!
Silly question! All space travel is at the speed of the plot! ;-)
said the man that never went that way...
In Voyager the speed is the plot
Hyperdrive: Faster but limited to the hyper space lanes. Warpdrive: Slower but able to fly nearly any course.
Its 6 years late bit idk... Hyperdrives is not limited to hyper lanes those are just the safest routes. You can jump in any direction anywhere but its a high chance that you hit a Star or something that can oull you out do tó its gravity
the fastest speed is ludicrous speed
Glad I wasn't the only one here who watched Space Balls.
ludicrous speed go!!!!!!!!!!
They've gone to plaid.
yogurt i hate yogurt even with strawberries
nope ... infinite improbability is
The sum total of human literature agrees on one thing: space whales.
but in the vacuum, no-one is listening and light distorts at the inverse square of c
Star trek discovery actually pointed that out once....
We're whalers on the moooon
The Millenium Falcon took 3 days to travel from, say, Coruscant to Corellia. You could use that, and I’ve heard people say it would take roughly 2 weeks to travel from point A to point B (The Galaxy). Hope that helps!
Well, the TNG episode called "Where no man has gone before." Has them going further than ever before displayed on screen anywhere.
No offense meant of course, but Ben looks like someone who would try to sell me deathsticks lol
And do a damn good job at it.
massaweed420, he doesn't want to sell you deathsticks. He wants to go home and rethink his life.
naaa, he looks like the 10th doctor
I wanna buy some deathsticks! How much for an ounce? All I have are damn galactic credits though... Credits will do fine!
Who the fuck is calling his drugs deathsticks anyway? It`s not commercially viable to narrow down your customer base to suicidal persons and murderers.
hyperdrive is faster but more indirect and more restricted. Warp is slower but more free and direct
dont you have to use hyperlanes with a hyperdrive?
in star trek, warp doesn't involve alternate dimensions. You can still hit stuff I'm pretty sure, but most ships have the deflector dish to keep that from happening
Joshua Rathbun that's why it is less direct and more restricted than warp travel
ik i was just saying
richie thach the deflector dish just deflects stuff the calculations can't take account for like small rocks or ice it cant deflect stars or planets
Though neither is fast than Ludicrous speed.
Vooligan so true! Spacballs is hilarious LOL
well warp 10 is faster
what about transwarp from star trek? it could be described similarly
star gate > star wars > star trek
stargate has ships that can go from the milky way to pegasus in 4-6 months
Transwarp pretty much makes like some sort of wormhole (correct me if im wrong), but in Star Trek Online at least, the ship makes a wormhole so it can travel from point A to point B instantly
Yes, in the description of this video we have a little not to Trek fans saying we are just comparing to the regular warp drive. But you are right, transwarp has more similarities to hyperdrive, with transwarp conduits etc...
There's at least three kinds of transwarp drive.
One that requires transwarp coils and creates a corridor as the ship travels, it's the slowest of the three but it's also as flexible as warp drive when it comes to going off of set paths. (NOTE: This is also similar to Quantum Slipspace Drive)
One that creates a corridor that can be accessed via a deflector dish, it's faster than standard warp drive, but doesn't allow for going off the rails and it was only seen once.
Finally, you've got the Transwarp hub, which creates permanent corridors that allow for traveling across the galaxy in minutes.
Thank you RedShirt047. That second one, was that the one Tom Paris used and then "evolved" into a whatever that was. He and Janeway made baby critters together.
Piett has a good line about this. When they are hunting the Falcon, he brings up the possibility they escaped and they could be "halfway across the galaxy by now"
Both franchises travel at Plot Speed.
Well yes, hyperdrive is faster, but it's complicated as hell. Warp is far, FAR more flexible. Trek now has Quantum Slipstream, which is an obvious Hyperdrive ripoff, but the better sensor tech of Trek allows them to simply go into it and out of it will.
Rolk Flameraven yeah, but even Quantum slipstream is still slower. Considering time used in a travel from solar system to solar system. The Traveler is the only one who helped a ship achieve ridiculous enough speed to travel to the edge of the universe where you could literally alter the universe by your thoughts. Although it won’t be permanent unntill the universe has grown past that fixed point. Hyperdrive is riduculously faster then anything Star Trek has to offer on a natural scientific basis. Slipstream is estimated to lay at Warp 24.
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@@Danol123 but trek drives are less restricted
There is zero canonical evidence to indicate Slipstream is confined to "Warp 24", period. The Voyager episode where they tried to use one to fly home saw the ship cross tens of thousands of light-years in a couple of onscreen minutes and its closest analog, Borg transwarp drive, DID take the Voyager from well into the Delta Quadrant to Earth's doorstep in little more than an eye blink. SW fanboys and their made up nonsense never cease to crack me up.
@@The_Lucent_Archangel agreed quantum slipstream is faster than hyper drive
well, basicly the hyperdrive is for planned routes and the warpdrive is for people flying arround whereever they want.
"light speed is not fast enough we must go ludicrous speed"
"ludicrous speed?"
"ludicrous speed."
spaceballs!
Since ships in Star Wars 'jump' to hyperspace, I have always assumed that they used an Einstein-Rosen Bridge, ie a 'aryificial' wormhole to travel between points. Because you are folding space the distance between any two points is the same, up to the range of the hyperdrive unit. If a destination is out of your range then you have to make more than jump. Therefore the speed in Star War is rather unimportant. Even though the M Falcon is rated at .5 over lights peed in the first movie, the never really talk about speed of ships. All journeys seem to take less than a day. They never talk about it taking a week to reach Dantooene like they alway do in Star Trek. Finally, I don't think I remember an occasion in Star Was where someone left after another ship and got to the same destination before the ship they were chasing. That would same support the idea that time to destination is a constant and that physical distance between points in real space makes no difference. This is entirely different than Star Trek where a warp field bubble is generated and normal space is pulled and pushed past the ship so that the ship inside the bubble never actually exceeds the speed of light and thereby violating the laws of physics but still effectively traveling faster than light . I think as a practical matter, Gene Roddenberry was always interested in keeping it scientifically accurate within the Canon of the universe, where as George Lucas was interested in story and the science was whatever sounded cool and later authors have tried to find science that would explain Lucas' ideas. Not that Star Trek doesn't fudge it sometimes.
I help you a Imperial 1 class Star Destroyer with its basic hyperdrives van travel the 200.000x of the speed of light so to travel from the galactic South to the galactic North you have to travel 3 days az maximum
And the hyperspace is another dimension só whole you jump to hyperspace you actually enter a 4th dimensional space or some higher level dimension where is no relativity theory
Keep it up!
What I've always wondered was how they get instant communication across vast distances. Such as the battle scene in Rogue One at Scariff. Light can only travel at one speed, and radio waves are a form of radiation> Just something I've been curious about
Maybe quantum physics? I believe it was reported that people managed to link two quantum bits at 30km distance to each other.
@@zottelhuehs6375 everyone gangsta till someone mentions quantum physics
Something something micro hyperspace lanes, I think is the canon answer.
For a more technical explanation, gravity screws with hyperspace. A blackhole, for example, creates a region of space where hyperspace isn't stable enough to travel through, which is why they have hyperlanes. However, a radiowave can be transmitted into hyperspace, and since it's just an unfathomably small particle it isn't affected by the forces that would tear a ship to pieces, therefore travelling in a straight line from point A to B.
@@zottelhuehs6375Entangulation.
Joss Whedon said it best - "All spaceships travel at the speed of the plot."
Did we miss the part where Han Solo says the Falcon will make ".5 past light speed"? Enterprise will go WAY faster than that.
My favorite part about Star Trek is how illogical they are when it comes to distances and measurements. A swarm of alien vessel is 10,000 klicks away and can be visibly seen a few seconds later swarming the ship. VOY The Swarm
well impulse engine can litreally cross 1 light second within seconds ;)
If the Falcon made it 50855 light years in a day, then that would be roughly the equivalent to warp 120 using the TOS scale...
Long story short: with full warp Voyager would take 75 years to get home, while in Star Wars ships travel from one corner of th e galaxy to another in a matter of hours.
Star Wars: Goes through a dimension called Hyperspace
Warhammer 40k: Goes through hell
Heresy! Only an agent of Chaos would brag about traveling through hell.
are we forgetting quantum slipstream drive
But wait, I can do ya one better.
In Edge of the Empire, specifically Fly Casual, it provides us with a table at the back of how long in days it would take to get from one planet to another, following hyperlanes, with a Class 1 hyperdrive. Included was the time to get from Duro to Corellia, and vice versa, which is 0.5 days, or 12 hours.
These two systems are so close together that they're represented by the same dot on a Galaxy map. So using this information, we can probably deduce that they're neighbouring systems. And for the sake of having an established distance, let's just assume that the distance is ~4 lightyears. That is, after all, the average distance between neighbouring stars, and is even comparable to the distance between Sol and Alpha Centauri (4.22 lightyears).
Using the TNG Warp Scale, this would make Class 1 hyperdrives roughly as fast a Warp 9.6.
Most freighters have Class 2 and Class 3 hyperdrives, which would make the trip 24 hours and 36 hours long respectively. Making Class 2 comparable to Warp 9, and Class 3 to Warp 8.
The GR-75 Medium Transport, the Star Wars equivalent to a commercial airliner, has a Class 4 hyperdrive, making the trip in 2 days. This makes it comparable to Warp speeds between Warp 7 and Warp 8.
Many backup hyperdrives were Class 15, which would take 7.5 days, or 180 hours. This would make them faster than Warp 5.
So if someone from Star Wars were to end up in the 24th Century, and they end up on a Starfleet commercial vessel, then they would find it to take forever, as it is the speed of a backup hyperdrive, or even slower.
Whereas you get a Starfleet Officer in the Galaxy Far Far Away, and he's travelling at incredibly fast speeds every other day.
Oh now I would love to see a scene where someone from star wars e.g. Han ends up on ENTERPRISE D and when it goes to say whatever warp factor you want Han's all like This thing go any faster?
The Star Wars Essential Atlas, of course, gives way more specific scale and distance data, with one square on the Atlas equally approximately 5217.391 light years across (per total 120,000 LY scale of the map)
Star Trek warp drive is actually a real theory, unlike Star Wars hiperspace
Pedro Wolffen hear is the star wars theory for you trekkie dumbass that was too lazy to check and start commenting , the hyperdrive was basically a "machine" that was able to change the speed of anything that was powered to it so it could go as fast or faster than light , once the hyperdrive was ignited , the ship (or anything transplanted to it) will go to "hyper space" , "hyper space" is a reality where anything will be able to travel in the speed of light (or even more faster) , but the poor thing is that this "hyperspace" is actually just looking like a massive tunnel , so if you have an electromagnetic field generator that was able to detect anything inside the "hyperspace" , you could actually make them thrown out from the "hyper space" . so basically the hyperdrive is like a teleportation device , makes pretty much sense
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
Erland M.T. the Indonesian guy you're not smart.
Pedro Wolffen Actually, the Alcubierre theory is a real life warp theory that was inspired by Star Trek, not the other way around. Star Trek started in the 60's, Alcubierre didn't create his theory until the 80's or 90's.
Pedro Wolffen no, it isn't. Being theoretically possible doesn't mean it actually is possible.
And anyway, it's completely irrelevant to the point. Hyperdrives are faster than warp drives.
Imagine combining the benefits of both. Hyper drive is great for long distance travel, but warp drive is far more useful as an exploration vessel and is far more maneuverable. It would also likely be useful as an effective escape vessel since it could travel down routes that someone in warp drive couldn't just drop into while also opening up alternative hyperspace lanes or using warp speed as a short cut between lanes. If two lanes came close to each other, one might be better off dropping out of hyperspace and going into warp. It may be slower, but it could be better overall for time taken.
I'm not a Trekie but comparing some Star Trek devices as well as the Food Replicator it seems that Star Trek is more advanced in mobile tech while Star Wars is more advanced in bigger technology like hyperdrives and cities and maybe gravity generators.
Star Wars is big and crude. Star Trek is smaller but far more advanced and complex.
billyboyjennings are you kidding me mate ? more advanced and complex , what year are you loving on , 1998 ? star trek's is samller true , but advanced and complex ? lol the most funniest comment i ever see in the internet .
@@emttheindon3597 They got holodecks on the Death Star?
@@emttheindon3597 well, can i see a weapon in star wars thats not mechanically mounted or aimed by hand? Or a replicator? Or a holodeck? Or a shield that can (mostly) stop smaller ships from ramming it? (RIP the USS Odessey)
Hi gen tech! thanks for this video and thanks for the link at the end!! I am not sure if it was deliberate but people are saying you 'sent them'!! :) Keep up the great content!
Flash > Combine portals > Ludicrous speed > Hyperdrive > Slipspace > Mass relies > Warp.
Ludicrous speed is no longer the fastest anymore. :'(
don't know about Hyper Sonic.
Hey, idea for you on Star Trek VS Star Wars. When comparing the two and trying to figure out which is more advanced, the hyperdrive VS warp drive is a good place to start. The hyperdrive isn't as powerful as you might think though. It's main purpose is to boost a ship to near-lightspeed, then use a "trick" to shunt the ship into the dimension of Hyperspace. Hyperspace does all the FTL work, the ship just has to get up to lightspeed. By comparison, Star Trek has no Hyperspace, so warp drives need to do all the work, not just a small fraction of it. While warp drives are relatively slower than hyperdrives, they're able to go much faster than lightspeed (by massive increases in multitudes, and factors) under their own power. This means they require a LOT more power, so Star Trek's ships' power generation is much more advanced as well. From power, you go to other tech, like phasers, shields, sensors, etc, and you start to get an idea of how it all scales. But back to the point, I just wanted to point out that hyperspace, while extremely fast, it relies on that "trick" of letting Hyperspace do all the work. Without the dimension of Hyperspace (which Star Trek doesn't have), hyperdrives would effectively be warp drives that get around warp 1 and nothing more.
EDIT: Sorry, forgot to add this detail in. The power generation. Most tech in Star Wars relies on fusion reactors/generators that's refined to the point they can scale them up and down as needed. Meanwhile in Star Trek, the warp drive is powered by a dedicated matter/anti-matter reactor (warp drive), which is considered one of the next steps up from fusion nuclear reactors in generating even more power (Going from wind/water power to burning wood/coal, to fission nuclear reactors (current power generation type in the real world), to fusion nuclear reactors, to matter/anti-matter reactors). When you take into account that matter/anti-matter reactors would have little-to-no power loss from their process (all the others do lose energy in their processes), the power bump from them is even more massive an increase from the previous types.
That, and the fact the Enterprise-D stated in TNG's early seasons repeatedly that the rest of the ship was powered by multiple fusion reactors distributed throughout the ship.
Tf you mean hyperspace is " a trick "
Its a technology to enter another dimension.
Is the warpdrive also a trick, because you dont actually go fasT, but instead bend spacetime?
@@haku7335 That's an oversimplification that leaves a lot of stuff out, an absolutely no what I was getting at. Hyperspace does almost all the work, where hyperdrives do very little (lightspeed) and use less power. Warp drives do all the work, power through real space, use MUCH MORE power, and go MUCHMUCHMUCH faster than lightspeed. If you're going to start an argument, get my shit right, or stfu.
@@arthurdotson9579 what even is your point dude.
First Order vs Earth? That's what we want to see. Hurry it up! Republic vs Earth.
wat?
Trinity R6 yeah, since it's lead by jedi ideals it should be somewhat less violent than the separatists or the empire
Michael King since the Force doesn't exist on Earth the First Order would fall apart. No lightsabers, no force powers, and oh yeah the very few Star Wars ships that could actualy operate in space only project thrust in one direction, meaning they can't steer or slow down.
Non of the Trek shit works in the real world, either. That's what happens when you remove the fiction from "science fiction". Earth wins every time.
Federation would win, but it would be a second Dominion War in its devastation. An individual Star Destroyer is no match for even a Constitution class starship. They are faster, more maneuverable, and heavily armed, just like those REBEL FIGHTERS the Empire ends up loosing to. They also seem to have better tactics and more experience and their training is far superior and creative. Federation Crews are much better at making things up on the fly. Imperial ships are massive and slow at sub light. They are armed to the teeth, but unless those turbo lasers are actually disruptors, then its a toothless cat against Federation ships. It would be a mistake to allow one to drop troops and taking over one would be a suicidal mistake. But (as with their troops and this includes the hallway scene in A New Hope) they have a 3% hit rate overall, their main strategy being to simply blanket space with weapons fire. On that note they have a huge blind spot behind the ship which Rebel fighters constantly exploit. They work best when they hunt in packs and their sheer numbers makes them a giant threat for the Federation. Assuming they could map out hyperspace lanes in the Milkyway, their large fleet could overwhelm starfleet which (while its fleet is probably just as big) could take months if not years to get a large number of ships into position. But their training seems poor, they don't adapt to the battle field that well (collisions in both Rouge One and Empire seem to suggest this), crews are more likely to be straggled to death when they make mistakes instead of punished or simply demoted, and they appear to be afraid to counter the orders and strategy of their leadership (Return of the Jedi) to the point of loosing a war.
So while the Empire has numbers, very powerful ships and no nonsense tactics, they loose to a poorly funded, ragtag organization with outdated ships. There is no way they could win against an organization such as the Federation.
How do you know Star Trek science doesn't work in the real world? Especially since most of it does now.
Note about warp drive. It seems that in Star Trek they can choose various warp speeds. But it was not always called Warp Speed. If you look at the pilot episode of the original Star Trek, aka The Cage, you will see Spock refer it as Time Warp.
Actually it's an interesting question with 2 interpretations. Obviously, Hyper Drive (Hype) allows you to travel greater distance in normal space in less time but, how fast is the ship traveling through hyperspace itself? If I have to walk around a house to get somewhere and the distance is 300 feet but I jump the fence and cut through the yard and walk 50 feet to the other side, I didn't travel the 300 feet. So, are the laws in hyperspace different allowing ships to travel past lightspeed to cover the same distance faster, or are these hyperlanes actually short cuts that cut across the 'neighbor's yard' of the universe allowing conventional engines to be fast enough to cover this shortened distance?
Either way, hype is faster than warp. Warpdrive doesn't actually move the ship. It generates a field that distorts space so space is compressed behind and expanded in front of the ship, creating a pressure gradient that moves the bubble of space forward. The ship simply gets dragged with this bubble. Like standing on a conveyor belt.
It's actually much closer than you think. Enterprise's top speed is 6000c, which means it can go appox. 5913 light years in a day. I dunno what the people of star trek were thinking but it would only take 17 days, and not 75 years to cross the milky way. So yeah, millennium falcon is faster, but not by much.
uhh if it travels at 6000 times the speed of light it means it will travel 6000 lightDAYS in one day not 6000 lightYEARS
in other words its 16.42 lightyears per day so it would take 6121 days (going from your numbers here im not going to waste time looking the actual galaxy dieameter) or 17 YEARS on full speed.
mind you that warp factor of 9.85 is not sustainable for more than few hours and real travel speed will be much slower so yes that 75 year estimate was quite in the realm of fact for the show.
I'll follow up on this. The milky way diameter is about 100.000 light years in total diameter. Voyager got stranded in the "delta quadrant" at a location that was 70,000 light years distance from earth. Also, Voyager's (it's faster than any Enterprise except for the Sovereign class) top speed was 9.975 which translates to about 4300c according to the TNG warp scale. This is 4300 lightdays in one day of course. This is about 11.7 light years per day which translates to 16,3 years of travel at top speed which is unattainable so realistically it would probably be about closer to 25 to 30 years of travel. The series said the initial travel time would have been 75 years so yeah they were off on that but you were way more off with your 17 days estimate.
reason for 75 years estimate is that the warp factor 9.975 was maximum attainable speed for short period of time
cruising speed would be around warp 7 or 8 and you have to include refueling and required maintenance stops as well
Warp 9.975 is 5552 times light speed instead, reportedly.
That's 15.2 light years a day (5552 / 365.245)
Can we just aggree that Star trek takes place in a galaxy even further further away?
My theory is that both happen in the same galaxy but aeons apart. Space in Star Wars behaves much more like the skies while space in Star Trek behaves more like the seas. Spaceships in Star Wars can travel faster than light, while that’s a physical impossibility for spaceships in Star Trek. Telepaths in Star Wars can actually manipulate matter, while telepaths in Star Trek can at most thought. After enough galactic destruction caused by the Jedi-Sith battles, The Whills of the Force finally came to the conclusion that allowing sentient beings access to and control of The Force was an astronomical mistake and hit the reset button on the Galaxy, which rescinded and reevolved into the Milky Way Galaxy. The new sentient beings that would go on to become Terran humans, Vulcans, Klingons, Ferengi, Bajorans, etc. no lomger had latent Force abilities. The changes in the galactic physical properties are due to the complete absence of midiclorians. That isn’t to say that there’s no way to communicate with The Force. Legend holds that a few gifted Bajorans recommuned with The Force. Their Force Ghosts are known as The Prophets and are said to hang out near a wormhole connecting the alpha and gamma quadrants.
It is also Stated that Han is one of the few Smugglers who has crossed through the infamous Maw Super Cluster. Now while Han crossing a dangerous rout in 1 Parsec may seem stupid, he is referring to Speed, since the Standard crossing is if my memory is correct, is 5 Parsecs in distance, showing that his ship is quite fast.
It makes more sense to compare Hyperspace travel and Transwarp. Anything from the borg to those dinosaur people in the Voyager series had transwarp capability and moved across the galaxy within a day.
Ha Ha, dinosaur people, the Voth right?
They could have saved the Voyager crew a lot of trouble by towing them back to the alpha quadrant at transwarp, but they refused for some reason.
Ships with hyperdrives are like fast low riding cars. Limited to paved roads in good condition.
Ships with warp drives are like 4x4 trucks/jeeps with the large tires. Able to go most other places just not as fast.
That's just one way of saying it that comes to mind.
Star Trek has Transwarp which kind of acts like Hyperspace but good reminder to everyone the Star Wars reality is over 35,00 years into the future while Star Trek is about 250 years into the future.
Yellow-13 um.... actually, Star Wars is in the past. "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away".
Relative to out tech I mean
+Josey Weik There's no reference point to suggest what the narrative phrase is referring to.
"A long time ago...", is a very vague and subjective term. It *could* mean that it took place in the past relative to us. But, it could also be relative to the "narrator", in which case, we have no way of knowing how far into the narrator's past the events of the movies take place.
It could be ten years, one hundred years, or more than one thousand years within our far future if you choose to believe that it has any merit, rather than simply being a fairy tale literary device.
voiceinthewind you're not really good at this are you? Bullshitting you're way out of it that is. Perhaps try it again.
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Doesn't it say "A long time ago in a Galaxy far away"? Meaning in the past! I always thought it took place in the past.
Thats why the Kessel Run at 12 parsecs is boss, it mapped out right next to black holes and other life ending things.
In reality warp speed is theoretically possible, while hyper space is only plausible, as there is no evidence for or against it. And a warp drive would be unlimited in its speed anyway. So, the moral of the story is: Both universes are inaccurate one way or another, and sci fi rarely has the answer to life's problems.
Star Wars is straight up fantasy in space while Star Trek is more hard sci fi with few fantasy elements (Q shit and stuff). In Star Wars lore you could actually make up anything you want while Star Trek is a bit more constricted which makes it a bit more interesting and relatable.
Yeah, like the transporter. A.K.A the fakest thing in sci-fi.
Toss in the replicator for good measure.
Both franchises have a very significant degree of space magic to them. Whether they be replicators or transporters being completely out-there, or the Force being essentially magic in itself.
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Fun fact: In the german translation of A new hope, Han sais "Die Kiste macht anderhaltfache Lichtgeschwindigkeit" (this ship does on and a half times the speed of light) and i always wondered, how the traveled between systems in days and not years
Depends on what era of Trek we are talking about. 29th century Federation ships can fold space and jump to other galaxies and also have literal time travel abilities. The Federation overall is vastly superior when it comes to technological advancement compared to Star Wars. SW civilizations have been around for tens of thousands of years and yet they are still being surpassed by a 400 years old Federation. Star Wars tech is pathetic compared to Federation technology after a mere few centuries.
billyboyjennings and also depends on what era we are talking about in star wars , if we go way back than the imperial times into the "old-republic and sith empire" time , everything was much more advanced and badass than anything the ST franchise could put in , and also in that time there are no such thing as "limited hyperdrive area " because the only reason that the limited hyperdrive area exists is because of the empire restricting everything that could make the ruined , so yeah anyting more trekkie ? because star wars universe was 97% more advanced than the star trek universe
Fun fact, 97% of the time when the statistic 97% is used, it is a factitious percentage someone pulled out of their ass... Star Wars ships ARE faster, have higher firepower on the highest end, BUT they don't have nearly as good shield technology, even the original series had better shields, they don't have transporters, replicators, holodecks, and their medical technology is FAR inferior to the Federation by the time of TNG. Star Wars universe IS much more advanced in robotics tech, however, oddly, they seem to have inferior AIs... Also no hologram doctors...
Toa Tahu who needs holo doctors when you can just dunk people in bacta.
they are different galaxies and universes they developed completely different technologies to soot there purposes they operate completely different
Toa Tahu what do you base your shield claim on exactly ? I can cite multiple exemples where fully functional Fed and Klingon warships were completely obliterated by low velocity ramming attacks or had their shields downed by contact with natural phenomenon, like the gas of a nebula.
As for transporters, they're useless in so much perfectly common situation that it got pretty pathetic. It would take an entire book to list everything they can be blocked or disturbed by, including heavy metals, shields, jamming systems, radiations and even some natural ore.
Replicators aren't that impressive either. They can't be used to assemble complex systems, like starship components or weapons, just food.
The holodeck is a gadget, it does more harm to federation crewmembers than anything.
For the medical superiority... seriously ? Find me an exemple of the federation ever being capable of a successful spinal cord surgery like the one Vader received.
you can use warp anywhere without complex calculations, meaning it's easier to get out of hot zones
Star Wars: you see ships exit the galaxy itself (ESB) and the hub of the galaxy is near the center of the galaxy
Star Trek: an entire series was about crossing one single part of the galaxy
Yep hyperdrives are stupidly faster then warp drives.
star gate > star wars > star trek
stargate has ships that can go from the milky way to pegasus in 4-6 months on a human naquida power core to 4 weeks on a ZPM (zero point module a crystal that pulls energy from antimatter pocket universes)
zeonthefox 4 days with ZPM, two weeks without. At least with the Daedalus.
It has been confirmed to be the actual Star Wars galaxy. It's possible that the ships are traveling faster than light around the galaxy which makes it look like it's turning too fast.
"It has been confirmed to be the actual Star Wars galaxy. It's possible that the ships are traveling faster than light around the galaxy which makes it look like it's turning too fast." .....or it could just be a movie...and a good place to put in a cool looking effect. Just like they do in Startrek from time to time.
Unless the star wars galaxy was much smaller than ours
Important note I don't think he mentioned... NORMAL hyperdrives vs Military or MF hyperdrives HUGE difference. I believe commercial Hyperdrives were x4 rating, with "fast" ships being x3/x2. Military tended to be x2/x1. Only 2 ships I believe ever go beyond x1. MF is .5 and another freighter that was .75 (if I recall correctly).
Their is a rather large speed difference from your standard x4 drive vs a .5 on the MF.
Forgive me if I got a number wrong, this is just off memory from many years ago reading about this :)
Tech level based on weapons/shields/beings and speed of the different universes.
Battlestar < B5 < Dune < Star Wars < Farscape < SG-1 < Star Trek
Pretty accurate.
A Star Destroyer can travel 8 light-years in about 3 minutes 47 sec. According to Star wars legend. And that is with a class 2 hyperdrive. Meaning it is 2x slower
Then the Millennium Falcon. At 0.5 hyperdrive.
Meaning a class 1 hyperdrive can go 16 light-years in the same amout of time.
And a class 0.1
32 light-years faster in the same amout of time.
If class 2 = 8 Light years , then -
Class 1 =16 lightyears,
Class 0.5 = 32 lightyears ( falcon) class 2 is 4 x slower )
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Using a hyperdrive is like going on a highway and then going onto the roads once you get somewhere. Using a warp drive is like driving through rough terrain directly to the destination.
Truth be told, originally, star trek ships were faster, but as it is in life, one person or entity influences, and is influenced by another. The 2nd set of star wars pictures ships were seemingly faster. To me, it seems that star wars took the star trek concept of transwarp tech and ran with it. Star trek shows humans progress thru time, while star wars seems old and tired - meaning they've even there, done that. Anakin builds a sub sonic pod racer from scrap parts. One thing, no one ever mentions the Borg in these comparasions; their ability to assimilate and absorb technologies. All they need is one ship, ir one group of assimilated people....
mactherealestateman , lmao star wars came first before star trek , anything that you would want to talk about "stealing idea" is a lot of "bullshit" because ST franchise itself actually stole the ideas from SW , but they tried to make it complicated so no one cares about it
Uh... what the hell are you smoking? Star Trek is 10 years older than Star Wars.
NihilusShadow lol a failed tv show that came several years before star wars , oh cmon trekkie you know you could put some "logic" (wait your username is nihilus shadow with a clone trooper profile picture but you are a trekkie ...... illuminati confirmed)
Were you dropped on your head as a child? Star Trek came out in 1966 and Star Wars came out in 1977. A basic comprehension of math would tell you Star Trek came first. And yes my name is Nihilus and I'm a Trekkie, because it's possible to like both. That's also not a clone trooper, it's a Spartan from Halo. I'm not a retarded fanboy that can only like one franchise at a time.
mactherealestateman no, they can't. There's plenty of exemples where the borgs were incapable of assimilating another technology
In the Star Wars RPS (multiple editions) with a hyper-drive modifier of 1 (lower is better in SW) it take 96 hours to go from the deep core to the outer rim. That also takes into consideration that you are not traveling in a straight line and that it would take multiple jumps. So it would take ~8 days to go from one side of the galaxy to another. So yes, hyperdrive would be about 100 years faster than a warp drive at warp 9.97.
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On the bridge of the Heart of Gold, Zaphod says, "Trillian, hold my, wait," then downs the cocktail he is holding, before continuing, "this empty glass."
So, in other words, hyperspace is similar to trans-warp or quantum slip-stream drive...
Hyper drive is faster because...Space Whales. Smh, I'm out.
It's faster because "Circumventing Physics"
Heck yea space whale!
Space fantasy vs science fiction. It's like comparing Elder Scrolls to Fallout. The debate is eternal.
Hyperdrive is faster than Warp, hands down. A ship with a hyperdrive can cross the galaxy in a matter of days or weeks, a ship with a warp drive takes 90 years to cross the galaxy.
Mit Whit Gaming its faster, but it's limited to mapped routes. So it's hard to judge one as better than the other.
not with navicomputers, the old "starlanes" are relic of the times of Old republic where ships flew with starcharts on mapped lanes
navicomputers can calculate the routes instead but take more time to process the information for jump rathet than using premapped lanes.
SW ships can travel space outside of the "lanes" just have to have the stellar bodies map for computer to calculate the route, so in "unknown space" they would have to do series of shorter jumps to map out the space ahead but it would still be MUCH faster than extremely slow hyperdrive (in comparison)
and both have nothing on Frame Shift drives from Elite Dangerous where even small craft can traverse the galaxy in matter of hours and large stations can simply jump to the other side of the galaxy or hyperdrives of Stargate where some are advanced enough to travel between galaxies in minutes :)
You now forget that star trek have slipstream drive which makes it a lot faster than hyperdrive and remember warp 1 is the speed of light then Han's ship can only go .5 past light speed, that means his ship can not beat most star trek that travel faster than light speed. Think about it .5 only. Cpt Ezrei Dax's Starship can travel slip stream which means it can get from point a to point b in minutes. Makes hyperdrive very slow.
what if their galaxy is smaller dimensionaly
Taylor Bucannon We're talking about Warp Drive, not slipstream, and I would say slipstream is on par with the Hyperdrive of Star Wars. Hyperdrive is very inconsistent, because they call it "light speed", but the Millennium Falcon made it from Tatooine on the Outer Rim to Alderaan in the core in the length of a conversation.
Hyperdrive appears to be akin to the Borg's transwarp corridor in STV.
Uhm dont want to burst your bubble but its whatever the story wants it to be .....In rogue one the death star takes like 10 min to get to scarif if that....in Star trek it takes i think 3 days or a week to get to vuilcan from earth but in the jj abrahms star trek it took about 10 min cause you see kirk try to warn them that they are warping into a trap and running around to get to the bridge...also in Star Trek first contact they go from the neutral zone to earth in like 10 min cause you see them listening to the battle and then decidiing to go and saving the day in the nick of time...it should of taken them waaaayyyy longer...and in enterpise at warp 5 they could get to quonos in 4 days so at warp 9 it would be no time at all....so dont add science to this cause the writers sure and the hell dont
Guild navigator folding space for the spice malange and the juice of sapol is faster. Remember the tooth, the tooth...
But Voyager couldn't keep the speed of their ship consistent. If their ship should take 70 years to go 70k light years then they must only be able to go under 3 light years a day. But in one of their episodes where Ensign Kim finds a sentient missile the ship travels 3 light years in under on night shift. Due to the attitudes on the shift of it being laid back due to the night shift you would have to assume it is probably only an 8 hour shift or less, because if it was a 12 hr shift then people would take it more seriously because the captain just got off the bridge and is awake for a good portion of the shift. So at that speed they could travel at least 9 light years in a day. Then they should only be 20 light years away. And they run into species they left 10,000 light years ago due to borg tech jump. And that species only works on their transport ships transporting deadly hazardous material 6 months out of the year. So if that is true then the ship can't be more than 3 months away from their home world. So at Ensign Kim speeds Voyager could only run into that species in a 810 light year radius from their home world. And we know that the species isn't faster than Voyager because they keep saying how Voyager is one of the fastest ships in the delta quadrant. There is much more evidence that Voyager series had no idea how fast the ship could go but that is just quickly off the top of my head.
I like how this scales things so in terms of trip time & difficulty, crossing the galaxy w/ millennium falcon == crossing the continental US in a passenger car
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The USS Voyager and USS Prometheus have insane maximum warp speeds (nothing as fast as the Millenium Falcon from what I can tell), but their cruising speeds are much lower. Speed is only half the story, you also need stamina and structural integrity to keep up those speeds. The USS Enterprise-D was theoretically capable of warp 9.8 in 2364 at "extreme risk".
Have you considered doing a Scimitar versus Super Star Destroyer, two of the most ludicrously overpowered ships from Star Trek and Star Wars?
But what is about the warp in 40k?
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Imperial Warp technology is middle-of-the-road in its universe: Imperial ships generally beat the Orks, Tyranids, and Tau, and are on par with Chaos when you take reliability into account. Both types of Eldar and the Necrons are faster. But how fast *are* they? Well, Istvaan is about halfway across the galaxy from Terra, and seems like it took them a week or more to make the journey - though they were stationary for part of that. So, faster than the Federation, but slower than Star Wars - maybe on par with Halo's Covenant? All this assumes an "average" journey, and you don't wind up with shenanigans like a fleet arriving before it left or something. It's the warp, after all, and weirdness is kind of its thing.
the Fun part is Starwars can't do FTL since they have a 50% Chance of being swallowed Up by the Warp Just by passing by .
The Warp is... finicky. It’s really impossible to rank because its speed depends on the mood the Chaos Gods are in at the moment. You could get there in 100 years, you could get there before you even left. It’s not as simple as just moving. It has a higher ceiling than any other FTL method, but its actual speed also wildly varies and you have no idea what you’re going to get.
FTL drives from BSG are the fastest. They instantaneously jump from one location to another in a split second. So there. ST and SW are both slow.
Hyperdrive is more limited needing pre scouted lanes. However it is alot faster as it lets star wars ships travels cross large sections of the galaxy in days. Meanwhile it would take warp ships years if not decades. Transwarp and slipstream warp is alot faster than even hyperdrive. Tho at least with transwarp it does have a draw back needing conduits but they are able to travel from the delta quadrant to earth for example in a few moments as seen in voyager.
Rumred hyperdrive is limited BECAUSE it is faster. The chances to crash into something are exponentially higher at 5000 lightyears per hours than at half a lightyear per hours.
Actully , if you follow Star Trek, there is Warp 10 speed, which is infinite, meaning a ship that can acces that speed will be in any place in the universe. (that speed was already 'used')
zabij sie - Dude, did you not read the fine print of your official Star Trek fan agreement? You never EVER mention that shitty-ass Voyager episode. As far as your warp speeds are concerned you can go to Warp 15 like Scotty said in TOS.
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so does this mean if a star wars ship found its way into the star trek universe it couldn't use its hyperdrive because no hyperdrive lanes and been discovered
+stephen hills in theory they would have to map them, check out the video I link to at the end, he talks about that
so until hyperdrive lanes were mapped safety star wars ships would be limited to sublight speeds which would mean in a battle between the two universes warp drive would have a tactical advantage until the hyperdrive lanes were discovered and mapped
stephen hills theoretically, yes. As far as I can tell, SW has no means of FTL transportation that function outside of mapped hyperspace lanes.
Well, hyperspace would have to exist in the Trek universe in the first place for them to use it.
if we are being fair let's assume that it does exist in 5he trek universe
And what about Trans Warp or Warp 10
Trek, while still indulging in it's own degree of space magic, is a lot closer to hard sci fi than StarWars. The differences in tech between the two show this more clearly. In almost every metric Trek has superior technology. Picard says it his self. In their universe they know how to convert energy to matter and back again. They manipulate much more exotic particle interactions with more versatile purposes. They toy with fundamental forces to a greater degree than StarWars vessels.
And much of this is because in StarWars the technology is there to facilitate stories about the human condition. In Startrek the technology in many cases IS the story. It's more explored, more refined, and better explained for that reason. And that means that in every measure beyond their FTL drives Trek ships are superior because more thought has gone into them. They aren't space faring analogues for WW2 ships and planes. They are highly refined vessels purpose built for their environment.
Bah humbug.
They are both fiction, and looking like a smooth designer apple-product is no guarantee of performance, as everyone should know.
If you look at transportation speed, or raw energy production, SW outdoes ST by orders of magnitude. ST simply has no answer for superlasers, or 50000ly/day speeds.
Energy production btw, is the usual metric to compare civilizations with. The K-scale.
Also, are you claiming that transporters arent "magic" or somehow even remotely hard science? How about FTL maneuvers like the stuff picard pulls in TNG?
wimpymind n The super lasers in the SW universe simply deflect of the shielding of Federation, and other factions, shields.
Math has been done previously about the power output of Turbo Lasers compared to the absorption/deflection power of Federation shields.
wimpymind n Post-TNG Trek features metaphasic shielding. It allows ships to fly through the plasma corona of stars without problems, they'd actually laugh at turbolasers.
Colin Jackson lol tell that to starkiller base , that shit could blow up an entire fucking solar system with one shot , not even any shield from the star wars franchise could protect the planets , so don't even think about your shield from star trek
Meanwhile, on earth, people beleivd in the science religion of science fiction and totally worship nasa and its technocratic un-emotional humanitarians.
Star Wars hyperdrive is roughly equivalent to transwarp conduits or quantum slipstream on Star Trek. While SW hyperspace travel is faster, it requires pre-defined routes that must be traveled. Like going on a modern highway. Star Trek ships create their own subspace 'bubble' which gives them more flexibility when it comes to the routes they take. Although their travel speed is slower.
star gate > star wars > star trek
stargate has ships that can go from the milky way to pegasus in 4-6 months on a human naquida power core to 4 weeks on a ZPM (zero point module a crystal that pulls energy from antimatter pocket universes)
We get it, you like Stargate. That's no reason to post the same comment 30 times.
but the most advanced civilisation in known sci-fi has to be the Forerunners from Halo
Gods_army_9090 than who ? wanna argue which is the most advanced race or civilisation in fiction ? if the Stargate bastards (idk how to call them) are more advanced than forerunners then how about the Precursors ? How about the time Lords ... I'd like to see something as advanced as a TARDIS made by the ppl in Stargate ... and if you are still not satisfied ... might seem a bit counter intuitive but the singlemost advanced race is aliens EVER seen in fiction comes from HALF-LIFE ... yes ... the G-man is one all-powerful sonova bitch ... he can fuckin teleport through time and space and any dimension at will without using a clunky TARDIS and he can isolate sequences of reality and freeze them in place or move them in a parallel pocket universe or do whatever the hell he wants with them AT WILL he is one with space-time itself ... he is a member of interdimensional beurocrats that are capable of LITERALLY DOING WHATEVER THE HELL THEY WANT ... they are not bound by any constrictions of the known universe ... he is an incomprehensible being of another existential plain
Actually they could do the Pegasus run in two weeks, an Asgard ship could do it in days. I think a ZPM powered BC-304 was 3-5 days.
zeonthefox no
The Star Wars interstellar travel methodology is obviously inspired by the one used in I. Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy. There the "space jumps" are pretty much instantaneous, and the time it takes to travel between two planets in different solar systems are mostly spent getting away from the gravity wells, calculating next jump and establishing your position when you arrive after a jump. A "fast" ship has a more efficient routing computer allowing the ship to (safely) start and end jumps closer to stars and to do longer jumps in between while still ending up reasonably close to the intended target spot.
Oh boy, where to start.
Well for starters, I would take a lot of those calculations you find online with a MASSIVE grain of salt given that many are outdated and a good number use outright fabricated data. Go over every variable in the equation to look for data creep. I should know, I used to be a part of the debate scene which you are charging headlong into. Investigate every claim, even this one.
Second, _Voyager_'s trip was going to take so long because A) they couldn't go through the center of the galaxy due to the supermassive black hole there. B) she needed time for repairs and c) she couldn't travel at full warp indefinitely.
Finally, that video... isn't particularly accurate to canon from what I can tell. I recommend looking at the old vsbattles.wikia.com/ or the StarfleetJedi forums for data. Although the Star Wars pages for Vsbattles are in need of an update.
RedShirt047 exactly. they averaged 1k C, but could go warp 9.975, which is 100s of KC.
Aye, plus the official explanation is that the warp factor measures how much space is being bent and not apparent velocity by the TNG era.
The moment he said he was using/seeing that particular POS, full of fanboy BS vid I gave up on the whole shenanigans...he will even use the BS data gathered up by fanboys to push forward his argument...I may as well give up the channel too.
Well I wouldn't give up on the channel at any rate, they still produce good content most of the time.
Although depending upon how they handle the video, it may be a good idea to skip it.
RedShirt047 lol a tiny trekkie trying to battle the "glorious" star wars fandom , like seriously what is wrong with both of our fandom ?
First note, most of the explanations are from what is now Legends material so future Star Wars movies may end up contradicting certain facts. It should also be noted the Hyperspace travel happens exclusively in straight lines. Star Trek clearly demonstrates course corrections are possible while at warp speed. It should be noted however that a warp turn has a radius measurable in significant fractions of a light year while coming to a stop, turning the vessel in place, and reengaging warp drive may actually be faster.
You can't maneuver at all while at warp. Examples of them doing so are continuity errors.
_"Faster than light, no left or right."_
Henry Kim
Star Wars > Star Trek
Let the arguing comments begin
star gate > star wars > star trek
stargate has ships that can go from the milky way to pegasus in 4-6 months on a human naquida power core to 4 weeks on a ZPM (zero point module a crystal that pulls energy from antimatter pocket universes)
stargate has ships that can go milky way -> pegasus in 14 days.
Both are great franchises and some people prefer one over the other.
Doctor Who>then all. Everyone travels between galaxies and at least two different speicies (Daleks and Time lords) pop back and forth in time itself.
I am a fan of both, and they don't compare!
They are both Sci-Fi, and they both feature human beings, but that is about where the comparisons end.
Star Wars is Sci-Fi fantacy and throws scientific theory out the window.
Star Trek is based on real-world scientific theory.
The plot in Star Wars is driven by the on going fight between good and evil.
The plot in Star Trek is driven by moral delemas and scientific problem solving.
Star Wars creates strange looking alien races to fill up the back ground of settings like Mos Einsley.
Star Trek creates fleshed out alien races that may look basically human, but have their own food, music, culture and belifs. (besides the reboot movies, they are good but they aren't real Star Trek.)
In one of the Han Solo trilogy books it says that the Falcon can do 120 lightyears/hr at maximum speed in hyperspace. Apparently, a pilot can adjust the speed of their ship when travelling in hyperspace.
Here's one for ya: Star Wars represents Totalitarian Capitalism, while Star Trek represents Utopian Socialism.
JoeNasr123 The question is, "Would anyone wish to live in the former, if given the choice?"
voiceinthewind which is why so many people join the Rebels.
JoeNasr123 I mean the empire are the bad guys...
No they aren't. The rebels are TERRORISTS. We only get to see the light and fluffy side of the rebellion in the media. They don't tell you about the medications stolen from convoys that were meant for sick orphans. The food supplies taken from poor farmers eeking out a living on government subsidies.
So no, the Empire aren't the bad guys.
I have to disagree with your summaries. Star Trek writers go out of their way to avoid labeling Earth's economic system as anything other than a utopia. We know they don't use money but we also know that there is private ownership so I don't think socialism necessarily applies.
Also, the Empire in Star Wars is straight up fascist. If the Empire likes what you're doing they let you do it but if they don't they take your stuff and punish you publicly so everyone else knows to listen and obey. Corporations and Industries that they wanted would be nationalized (government takes possession without paying anyone) to ensure they had exclusive access to certain technologies. That's not capitalism.
The Old Republic looks a lot like the U.N., a democratic ideal with little real power and lots of bureaucracy. The biggest difference is that the Old Republic is more business friendly in that they grant the biggest businesses seats in the legislature. Can you imagine if Apple or Exxon Mobil had actual ambassadors to the U.N.?
In order to travel at the speed of light, you and your ship must be converted to light in order to make that possible. Anything short of that, you will burn up in space and nothing will be remaining of you and your ship. Think of a piece of paper that you scan with a scanner. The scanner takes the physical paper that it scans and converts it to "ones" and "zeros" in binary format and then converted to a photo format in which you see on the computer. From that point on, it can be sent via email, which shall arrive in seconds after it is sent.
Star Wars is better then Star Trek! Flame war begin.
Already started.
Spencer Holden too late, someone already tried to make this bait
Spencer Holden besides Star Trek is way better lmao
No, not even close...lol
+Colin Jackson Actually he's right.
You want absurd space travel? Try any of the ships from Tanya Huff's Valor series. They travel through a dimension similar to hyperspace that is called Susumi space in universe. Ships traveling in Susumi space are entirely outside of normal time. From the perspective of people who are not in Susumi space, the ships are teleporting from one place to another. From the perspective of the people on board the ships, they spend a certain amount of time traveling through susumi space. Depending on where they're going, that can be just a few hours or several days or even longer.
The empire would rip the federation apart. And a star destroyer would easily destroy the enterprize
Sure, if the Star Destroyer could breach the Enterprise (which one are you referring to?) shields, and withstand Photon/Quantum Torpedo hits to the bridge seeing as Star Wars Shields don't actually work.
Bruce Jedi Lee wrong star wars my be faster but star trek weapons and shields are waay more advanced then star wars not to mention they could beam the entire crew of the star destroyer into space plus star wars weapons are completely ineffective against the Enterprise's Shields as Star Wars tends to use lasers in one of the episodes of next-gen it's explicitly mentioned that lasers have zero effect on their Shields
You clearly know nothing about Star Wars. They use plasma not lasers, their weapons are proven to be way superior as they can wipe out all life on a planet and there is nothing that points to star trek weapons being stronger or them having stronger shields. I have seen Star Trek and they have demonstrated nothing that puts them above the empire
How? He just told you that they need a hyperplane to move their ships in FTL. So the Empire shows up in the Milky Way and is stuck in a choke point until it can scout out a lane past all the space wedgies that Trek space is seemingly made out of. Meanwhile Trek ships can warp in fire at ranges and with accuracy that War's ship can only dream about and then warp back out again.
Or, you know just fire torps while at Warp as it happens in real space/time and all.
Now, if this was the mirror universe attacking the Empire, sure. I think Trek would be hosed as hell. As the Empire could move ships around that whole galaxy in days while it would takes years to decades for a Warp powered ship do the same. Well at least until they get ahold of a hyperdrive and attach it to their own ships that is. Might not even take a rebuild to use, unlike trying to add warp to a War's ship would.
As for taking out the Enterprise with ease, unless we are talking about the NX-01 I'm going to have to laugh at you going by what we have seen and dialog talked about in the movies and shows. And if it's the D or E in this fight I honestly don't know if a single ISD could win at all.
Adding in the older War's books changes things around though. I will give you that, even if most of the projected power outputs that fans have come up with are crazy.
Bruce Jedi Lee You clearly have not watched *real* Star Trek (I like the reboots, but they are not real Star Trek). Capital ships in Star Trek *dogfight* the Enterprise can do a barrel roll, not to mention it's sheilds can withstand quantum torpedoes. Meanwhile a Star Destoryer is disabled with a few ion torpedoes from a few small bombers.
That .5 past light speed comment was a reference to West End Games Star Wars RPG from the 80s ;-)
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Chris Max yes you are, congratulations!
Chris Max so?
Mic Clank it is a small accomplish
Well done Chris
Mic Clank I checked, he is officially first...
i believe you have forgotten trans-warp. In Star Trek Voyager there was a thing called trans-warp that could get you from point a to point b almost instantaneously. This was achieved by getting to warp 10 and then activating the trans-warp drive. Thats all i know off the top of my head
good shat my man, NERDGASM for all. thanx !
The smallest thing:
The single largest contributor to the apparent technological stagnation in the GFFA is due to the invention of stable and quasi stable femtomatter.
Femto-structures are fabricated in enormous power refineries that encircle rotating black holes, neutron stars, magnetars and other super massive stellar objects.
Once discovered, femto-structured matter quickly proliferated through the GFFA and had consequences to nearly all technologies in the galaxy and its satellites.
Once it was known that arbitrary geometries of spacetime could be stored and bound in femto-structures to create force vectors and scalar force fields, it became the preferred method for mitigating gravity wells and made planetary escape and reentry cheaper and safer than any other technology. Station keeping operations for levitating platforms became cheap enough to be included into architectural design.
Femtomatter changed all forms of engineering and made possible the ecumenopolis planets of the core worlds.
It had a dramatic effect on starship construction, allowing a scale in size, energy output, management and weaponry that were previously unattainable.
Femto-tech made hypermatter possible, as well as the hyperdrive itself.
I think speed is not important for traveling long distances in space, but I believe it's about multiplying time space, Speed may have a minor part in travel time , however within the same plantary system.
Halo: Hey guys, remember slipspace?
Star Wars: What's a slipspace?
Anthony Carrasco ludicrous speed
Though in your description you said not comparing to Transwarp technology but for what you make out hyperdrive to be. It's basically Transwarp.
The new Spore Drive used in Star Trek Discovery allows to ship to travel across all the galaxy instantly
good video!
There's another line in Star Wars that hints at extremely high speeds for Hyperspace. In Empire Strikes Back, it looks like it's only been a day or so since they've lost track of the Falcon, and one of the officers says "They could be anywhere in the galaxy by now."
Or maybe it's halfway to the other side of the galaxy... one of those two. The point is, that's fast. Assuming the Star Wars galaxy is of comparable size to our own, that would correspond to that 50,000 LY per day, if not faster.
You have a great story ! You put alot of work into it i like. However, The Enterprise weapons and technology are far superior to that of a star destroyer! Good job man! And I just had to say it, you are very handsome and love the acent! Love your channel
The hyperdrive speed is much slower than ludicrous speed