Actually love the 600LT! Apologies I quoted 650 LT on another comment it’s a 675 LT 😂 You can get a 540c for mid to high 70’s Just make sure it’s got a warranty you will need it! I honestly hand on heart would have a 600 LT over a GT3 RS
I think they all look too similar. LT? I couldn't tell you if it was or wasn't an LT. Is the LT some sort of sticker pack, couldn't tell you if it was a 675MP4321C either. Is it a P1, no, is it an F1, no? Meh, I can't tell the difference AND I don't even care. Not saying this to insult the car, I'm pointing out how anticlimactic the lower end cars are. It's not snobbery for the top most expensive model either. I love a 458 and up, a Huracan, a GTC4 Lusso, etc.. The designs are too soft, the interiors remind of a Tesla. I think they all need more quirks and gimmicks. Something to make them stand out from each other and the rest of the pack. More angry look too.
I’ve owned a 570 GT with no mechanical problems . Bought it new in 2017 and put 8 thousand miles on it . It’s very dependable. Service is expensive but it’s a super car so it’s not a surprise . I’m in love with it every time I drive it still !
Always wondered what servicing a Mclaren really costs compared to a Lotus. Running a Lotus for 15.000KM a year would cost me approx. €650-800 how about Mclaren servicing?
I have heard that in the states the avg yearly maintenance costs of a 720s total around $1700--going by the service intervals in the book and before any major components need replacing.
McLaren make incredible cars but they are really rushing the brand building. I know they have aggressive investors but you can’t manufacture heritage in a lab. Slow down McLaren
Agree. Most super car manufacturers tend to have a 4-8 year product cycle, before a new model is introduced. In little under 10 years McLaren have had so many models and variants. The gap between the 12c and 720s is relatively short, compared to say the Gallardo and Huricane. Need time to let the cars appreciate. I'm guessing they approach road cars the same way they approach F1 production: if the technology has improved or advanced they will immediately introduce it into their cars.
Exactly McL issue and why they will not succeed in this segment in the long term! Customers come but many of them go again very quickly after experiencing the depreciation drama. I know a few!
@@adnaanu mate, it's Huracan, not Huricane... And they literally made DOZENS of different cars on the Gallardo platform, so I'd argue it isn't quite as clear cut as you've described it.
I don't think people are buying them the same reason I haven't bought the 720S I want so bad... because they have heard so many horror stories regarding reliability, QC, and scared to death of potential massive deprecation!
then they release 620r which is a limited prod version of a 570 gt track car.. which is kinda confusing.. considering that 600lt was the so called track version of the 570 iteration also I feel bad for the owners of the special msoX that are commissioned 570gt.. I hope Mclaren would slow down on the releases of their super/sports series and focus more on built quality at this stage of their business growth..
I have a 720S performance coupe. I’ve put about 4800 miles on it trouble free with no weird trips required to the dealer. Reliability is on par with every other Exoctic car I’ve had or currently have in the garage. Customer service is hit or miss depending on the dealership. The Mclaren Charlotte guys are top notch! Depreciation...well it sucks. My advice is don’t buy them new, let someone else take the initial depreciation hit. That said, I don’t see the point of spending this type of money for an Exoctic car that sits in the garage. It’s an over priced toy that’s going to lose value over time, might as well enjoy it. Unless it’s a limited edition car, they all, regardless of brand, are going to depreciate. If you’re buying these cars for an investment or some financial gain, would suggest you reconsider your personal wealth strategy. Value is ultimately subjective, the value for me is the enjoyment I get out of it.
I bought mine in 2020. Spyder, and love it. Don’t care if prices tank or not. I bought to enjoy. Most UA-camrs aren’t car people but rather car reviewers….. love mine at 23,000 miles now
I had/have an Turbo S, GT3 RS and the 600LT spyder. The most fun car i ever driven is the 600lt spyder. But ONLY the spyder, because you can put the back window down. The sound experience is on whole other lever than in the coupe. If you buy the 600lt = only the spyder!!!
Same here fella, I’m just getting over the fact the car used here is now mine and I’m sat here writing this sat in it.. As for price, I don’t see these tanking, too rare and dealerships are clicking on to it. I’ve had two dealerships I know phone me direct asking to buy it. What area you based mate? Midlands here, Coventry way..
JayEmm on Cars: People know Mclaren will build too many 600lt's, and that depreciation will be a problem. Mclaren: we released a new slightly faster than the 600lt, the 620R now. Every Mclaren owner: I just lost some more money.
The 620R is literally a road legal GT4 car. Literally. It's different from a 600LT. Will agree on the fact that depreciation is a problem on regular mclarens. I love McLaren tho, especially the advancement in technologies and track capabilities that is Ultimate Series
@@Omar-te1pp It's not a road legal GT4 car. The GT4 car has only around 400-450hp, weighing at 1500kg, much heavier and less power than the road car. You can't seriously be thinking that Mclaren didn't purposely boost the power and performance just enough to go higher than the 600lt, but not enough to scare the 720s. For god sakes, they made a 650s 6 years ago. They can easily pump 650hp from that engine. The only factor this car has over the other road cars, is it's readily able to fit slick tires for track use. The other road mclarens don't allow you to, (if you want your warranty still).
If you watch his other video about his two friends buying a pair of McLarens they made them sign a form stating that misalignments are expected because it's a hand build car and claiming it's normal and telling them not to complain about it.
You're giving me my daily dosis of british motoring journalism I've been missing out on since Clarkson, May and Hammond left Top Gear... I've been watching your channel for a few months now and finally subscribed... really enjoy your videos!
Most underated cars of 2019 Lamborghini performante, 600lt,gt3 rs. Ferrari may be considered the douche bag of the car manufacturing world but they know how to give everyone one of there cars the spotlight
Jonathan O.P my test drive the car shut down 2 blocks away, it was blistering fast the 2nd car, the depreciation is just stupid, i got kids to feed/educate
The great thing about such a grey interior is that it really lets your shirt Pop! :-) Another fantastic video Jay...I now need to check my lottery ticket for some 600LT funds!
Absolutely love my 570S, I like it significantly more than i liked any of my previous sports/supercars (Porsche 997 Turbo, 997 GT3, Ferrari F430 and Gen2 Audi R8 V10+). The feedback, steering, chassie, seating position, steering wheel, power gearbox, doors, exterior and exterior design are all individually better than in anything else i've ever driven before not to mention all in the same car. The only thing that its lacking is a more exotic and screaming tone of the exhaust, its good but not at the level of a GT3, non turbo Ferrari or the Lambo V10 in the R8 (even with titanium straight pipes with 200 cell cats on the McLaren). Just before the lockdowns I was at full day test drive of the new Ferrari F8 Tributo, I really like Ferrari but that just confirmed to me how much i love my McLaren and how it speaks to the driver.
Your blaming the sales on a lack of transparency in manufacturing numbers but it’s just that sales of sports cars have tanked, same for cars in general... the only up is SUV’s.
Too many people buying things they can’t really afford! These cars used to be for the 10m and up brigade and now people with literally no money but a decent wage are driving around in them.
I'm guessing that if you're in it for the long term, in 10+ years time the price of these cars will be astronomical*. *As I said...I'm GUESSING, so not about to pop out and trade in my current exciting, fast, impractical car for one of these!
Coolest exhaust on any supercar Also your analysis made sense. Now that you have disclosed how many have been made, and single handedly increased the cars value. McLaren should maybe give you a car 😁
I’m in America, my local dealer has at least three 600LTs and four 720Ss on the lot, bunch of Aston Martins also, all new and not moving for months. lol
Jay, you have a valid point in the real world, that is one with plenty of people who try to milk UA-cam monetisation and quickly moving through cars like they were picking up a new girl in a club each week-end. And true, McLaren aren't good at the game of building the drama, playing mind games, la-di-da. However from the days of Ron Dennis, they never particularly set out to play that game, hence why the car "only" comes with alcantara carpet and yellow belts. As a purist I think that's fantastic, it's way more pure than any Huracan that looks out of Ridge Racer and it's a closer reminder of cars like the 997 GT3 ClubSport or RS. Now regarding having some stock of cars or not limiting numbers, this can be different from country to country. Personally I think it's great that you can buy the car without the stupidity of people buying them to "flip" them. That's such a stupid lame way to make money, seriously people should just go and get a real job at the Royal Mail sorting office, do something useful rather than being a parasite. For example in USA certain buyers change their mind if they have to wait too long for a car, the new-school is very impatient. Limiting numbers has been a popular gimmick recently with any model and I actually APPLAUD Porsche once they decided they were just going to mess around with manual gearboxes as well just to shake it up for those losers who buy cars like buying gold. Even Warren Buffet says that the only true appreciating assets are stocks and shares of industrial goods that generate growth. Sure the 288 GTO etc were built in ltd numbers but at the time that was in keeping with the fact that early Ferraris (think 166M) were always build in the hundreds and had various carrozzerias doing different versions. Now I'm sure Ford will even build its S-Max "Vignale" in Limited numbers just to create some new product line to get buyers to "invest". My 3 or 4 take-aways: 1) It's perfectly legit to dislike all the Shmees and JWW out there for wanting to make a quick buck as an alternative to Henry Catchpole or Dickie Meaden. Sorry guys, you can buy cars but you can't buy professionalism and a touch of down to earth class 2) Building and buying cars to stock like gold bullion or for boasting or just general "look me, I wear a Vacheron and own a ltd edition Senna" is wasting people's time. You can do it but cars are engineering machines made to be driven 3) nobody should give a monkey's if a 600LT or GT3 is ltd numbers or not. Sure, it devalues the car price, but it makes no difference to its merits. As Tiff Needell once said when driving the Zonda R, "They should have government-run Zondas". Ok yes then people would not think they're special... 4) The LT is an excellent car and hats of to Antonio Gonzales and the team who developed the dynamics (plus all the engineers who developed the other models leading to it, Mattia Saluzzo with Chris Goodwin and Leonardo Altieri and many more) 5) not aimed at anyone here or to JayEmm but aimed at countless annoying youtubers: if you didn't buy an LT you're not a good enough driver for it, you don't put your money where your mouth is, you're in it purely for short term gain and most of all people shouldn't be wasting time watching that content. Jay, love your videos. Keep it up. Your viewpoint is always appreciated and worth watching every single time. Happy driving mate! Ciao.
17:52 Monotone sound? What monotone sound? I love that high pitched wail of these modern McLaren V8 exhaust sounds ever since they were introduced in the 675LT. I could go as far as saying this car sounds just like a 675LT 😲 Spine tinglingly exciting - for a turbocharged V8 engine.
Yes, the McLaren and Ferrari V8s are not bad as such, just missing that V8 sound you get with Audis, Lambos, Bentleys, Astons, etc. It’s a bit characterless at low RPM and there’s plenty of noise higher up but it’s more a loud blare than music...
Mclaren has always been the car brand for me that you admire, but never could spend actual money on. I mean after their massive engineering failures on many cars, the brand has a pretty shitty 2nd hand value overall. Massive sticker prices and basically half value after a year.
I own this car now, it’s been in more videos than I like.. it’s a legend but have to say, the centre glovebox has fallen off, the window buttons on the drivers door have come off plus the aircon doesn’t work. None of that matters, it goes like stink and I love it… No bullshit…
When you hear that people (who by the way love supercars) don't want to buy one of the greatest supercars you can probably get, only because it hasn't the "right" production number (or at least allegedly hasn't) something is very wrong with the mindset of these people. They confuse cars, which are something to enjoy, with stocks, which are there to invest into or speculate with.
The main reason they haven’t sold is because they really are a bit crap. They may be dynamically very good but the kind of people who would normally buy this kind of car are well aware of the reliability issues, the dubious build quality, the extortionate price for parts servicing and warranties (which you will need) and the fact that McLaren’s customer service is know to be quite shocking. Why do they continually just churn out new models when they have never taken the time to develop existing ones to a point were they are even vaguely useable. To me their business model seems hugely unstable and could easily end in tears leaving masses of very unhappy customers.
9:46 You say to "do your geo" if you own a McLaren. But what do you mean by that? How do you "do your geo(metry)?". Is it some kind of suspension adjustment? I own a 600LT and it does have a bit of understeer at low speeds. Can that be fixed?
On road or track? Mine is a bit understeery on track but not really an issue on newer tyres. Normally when I start to notice understeer it’s because the inner shoulders of the front tyres are very worn. Give yours a check. The fairly extreme camber hides inner shoulder wear unless you turn the steering to full lock to check
EXACTLY! I see SOOOO many comments about how terrible they are and how unreliable they are....meanwhile 95% of those people have never ever driven one. I own a 570s thats tuned and has several upgrades. I smash pretty much anything on the road and have never had any mechanical faults and I drive my car very often. I have almost 15k miles on my car now. Love every damn mile Along with that, I am part of a huge "McLarens of South Florida" group and there are 10-15 of us and pretty much all drive semi-daily at least, and non to my knowledge have had major issues that stopped them from driving.
Having never driven one and never contacted McLaren and never having set foot in a McLaren dealership, but consumed a truckload of internets, I feel totally qualified to judge every aspect of this car and McLaren's customer service. 😂🤪
Someone I know was once a Lamborghini fan. Owns a Liberty Walk Aventador and a Capristo-equipped Aventador Anniversario, and used to own a Gallardo LP560. Tried his hands on 12C Spider in 2017, got hooked since. He gave his 12C Spider to his brother later on and used to run 540C (reliable except for the IRIS system that crashed once a while), now he got an MSO Napier Green 720S and is waiting for his Senna. Told me he'd rather daily a McLaren than Lambo, too much hassle.
I have a 570s, as I see it the reason people are cautious to commit are depreciation and a lack of consistent quality control. And I believe those two are related as well.
The issue is the manufacturer need to be more transparent - is it limited, or is it not - McLaren were far too vague with their wording come release day
I'm not sure how true this is, but I vaguely remember someone saying that the 488 Pista Spider was a similar deal. They weren't limiting them to a particular number, just to a particular length of time for builds. McLaren have gone down the same route, without realising that they're not Ferrari. Ferrari will sell out and people will buy them because they're Ferrari. McLaren don't have that same level of heritage or prestige. They can't sell cars on reputation alone. They still have some work to do in all aspects of the business, it seems.
excellent really loving your channel mate its like a breath of fresh to me after watching the same car channels for years and years that just seem, well, boring now...by the way whats the music you put with the fire breathing exhausts? i need to hear it in full cheers
Reputation is everything with a car company, and Mclaren, their reputation is to make fast, super fast, super expensive sports cars that no one can drive to the limit with on public roads, that no one wants to live with because they keep going back to the shop for problems. Hence why the classic car market full of old school manuals and slower more thematic cars, are popin' like crazy. As atleast with those you get an icon you've always dreamed of and who in this modern age can honestly say they've dreamed of owning one of the non halo mclarens, its like dreaming to own a hurican when you could have had a diablo, its not even in the same league no matter what the figures say! Hell honestly the only mclaren I think that people have really wanted to own was the P1, while the Senna's hit and miss as you either like that track focused purpose based design or you dont, and outside of that despite the Napier green exterior paint you have on one of these, that is literally named after the Joker in the 89 batman film, most enthusiasts dont know it even exists as to them its just another mclaren with a bigger number behind it rather than something special like those two models are as its the same problem plaguing porsche, you have too many damn models and not enough differentiation to tell you is this the one you really want or not. hence why the most sold porsche is the damn SUV, as you know what it is right out the gate, the rest you have to be a nerd spec person to even know which way is up!
when this car came out i was annoyed at the name! its not a Longtail, the McLaren F1 had an elongated front and rear, hence the nomenclature LT, but the 600LT doesnt have an extended body! i also assume it hasnt sold well is its looks! i love the top mount exhausts but the rest of the car just doesnt look right
The LT moniker is now used to label the “special edition” McLarens. Such is the same case as the 675LT. It is an enhanced version of whatever model they base it off of.
@@davidbresnahan5986 thats what it is now! originally the F1 LT actually had an elongated front and also a Long-tail. the current cars aint ones with long tails
David Ferrari yeah, I said that. But the original F1 LT had other performance upgrades too aside from increased body length. And the new LT cars technically are longer, not by more than a few inches, but they are still longer than the cars they base themselves off of.
@@davidbresnahan5986 Its NOT a Long-Tail tho! its no longer than the 650S, regardless of what mechanical upgrades it has is that its NOT a LT so why call it something that its not! Just to catch the nostalgia of the McLaren F1, sorry but doesnt work
David Ferrari 675LT is roughly 1.4 inches longer than a 650s. It’s not much longer but it still is. The LT monicker is meant to suggest performance upgrades regardless though, so it still fits.
@@gazzabrownhigh8891 tell that to the guy who run Apex, he wants to get rid of one cos he prefers 600LT :D But then , he also wanted to get rid of Pista after like 2 weeks of getting it,, so he might just be insane...
Here I am, sitting in Los Angeles, where I have lived for the past 20 years, and I click on a video where you drive a McLaren around Eye, where I went to high school!
True story, here in Sweden there are a couple on sale. though from different dealers, some are on big discounts already. like new MSRP is around 350K Euros. cheapest one is around 270K... with close to delivery miles on it
I went into Redline in Yorkshire September time and they had 3 LT's with limited mileage...I believe not one has been sold (strikes me as people aren't interested particularly at the price).
I can't believe how accepting you and James are regarding the inoperative air conditioning, and intermittent windows..........just unreal. How much did that car cost? Minimization at its max. The car should basically make you feel like the king of the world, but instead, here you are making excuses for it........McLaren.......... If my '18 NSX had a failure like that, or electrical issues with the windows, I think the Performance Manufacturing Centre in Ohio would lose it...........someone would be wondering whether or not they had a job tomorrow. At McLaren? A job well done mates...........come on Jay..........these cars aren't selling out, or selling period, because the word on the street is clear: they're garbage, and their customer service is notoriously horrible.
You said it Down low, Porsche, Ferrari and McLaren are pumping out models every 10 months! The hyper car market is in a decline particularly on the UK. For the first time ever in its history, Ferrari are delivering cars that are depreciating assets. McLaren and the Lamborghini Huracan depreciate instantly. Exclusive Limited Editions - are all the rage. Porsche cleverly created this model; Ferrari has its 5 hyper cars and limited edition "race edition" e.g. the 488 GT3, everyone's favourite the FXX K EVO which costs anywhere from £1.5 to 3. Limited Editions - for the haves and the obscenely wealthy.
2:30 No road legal car makes a substantial amount of downforce at usable speed, you just can't do it within the law, it's all a sales pitch. To get an idea of what you need to do to make real downforce with a road car style chassis you only need to look at time attack cars with their dramatic underbody tunnels, gigantic wings and front lips that stick out 4ft in front of the front axles.
@UCYUXo_kYwrVTIY3QmGDJP_A Designing a car to generate down force was something that came from racing so saying that it's irrelevant is a gross misunderstanding. Time attack cars are built the way they are to generate useful down force at lower speed, you need huge control surfaces in order to make larger pressure differentials with less air speed. They don't have to take road conditions or safety into account and therefore are free to do what is necessary to make useful forces which result in appreciable gains. Making 100kg of downward force on the tyres at 150mph isn't particularly useful, it's a minimal increase in traction at a speed where cornering is unlikely and the acceleration load is reduced (higher gear = less torque at the wheels). You're never going to need the extra load at the speed required to generate it.
like the fucking dickheads i see putting full on wings on a VW golf, ive never pointed & laughed at someone so hard in public. the guy must of went red surely. people use downforce talk to pretend they arent buying a dollop of mass produced machinery and get a dream of racing but in reality its for sitting in traffic 30 mins a day on the way to work.
I think McLaren makes too many cars and as a consequence, the various models do not receive enough attention and refinement prior to sale. Making too many cars also means the cars are not rare or unique. McLaren needs to pull back, and rethink their market strategy. Otherwise they will have something in common with the Dodo bird.
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Actually love the 600LT!
Apologies I quoted 650 LT on another comment it’s a 675 LT 😂
You can get a 540c for mid to high 70’s
Just make sure it’s got a warranty you will need it! I honestly hand on heart would have a 600 LT over a GT3 RS
great video. Do you happen to know how many left-hand drive cars they've made in the spider and coupe?
I think they all look too similar. LT? I couldn't tell you if it was or wasn't an LT. Is the LT some sort of sticker pack, couldn't tell you if it was a 675MP4321C either. Is it a P1, no, is it an F1, no? Meh, I can't tell the difference AND I don't even care. Not saying this to insult the car, I'm pointing out how anticlimactic the lower end cars are. It's not snobbery for the top most expensive model either. I love a 458 and up, a Huracan, a GTC4 Lusso, etc.. The designs are too soft, the interiors remind of a Tesla. I think they all need more quirks and gimmicks. Something to make them stand out from each other and the rest of the pack. More angry look too.
At the risk of sounding stupid, what is a geo? 9:52
@@larssonk22 Geometry - the alignment of the wheels
I’ve owned a 570 GT with no mechanical problems . Bought it new in 2017 and put 8 thousand miles on it . It’s very dependable. Service is expensive but it’s a super car so it’s not a surprise . I’m in love with it every time I drive it still !
Always wondered what servicing a Mclaren really costs compared to a Lotus. Running a Lotus for 15.000KM a year would cost me approx. €650-800 how about Mclaren servicing?
An u daily drive it?
I have heard that in the states the avg yearly maintenance costs of a 720s total around $1700--going by the service intervals in the book and before any major components need replacing.
McLaren make incredible cars but they are really rushing the brand building. I know they have aggressive investors but you can’t manufacture heritage in a lab. Slow down McLaren
They're building share price not history or cars to a degree.
Agree. Most super car manufacturers tend to have a 4-8 year product cycle, before a new model is introduced. In little under 10 years McLaren have had so many models and variants. The gap between the 12c and 720s is relatively short, compared to say the Gallardo and Huricane. Need time to let the cars appreciate. I'm guessing they approach road cars the same way they approach F1 production: if the technology has improved or advanced they will immediately introduce it into their cars.
Exactly McL issue and why they will not succeed in this segment in the long term! Customers come but many of them go again very quickly after experiencing the depreciation drama. I know a few!
@@adnaanu mate, it's Huracan, not Huricane... And they literally made DOZENS of different cars on the Gallardo platform, so I'd argue it isn't quite as clear cut as you've described it.
The last good Mclaren is the MP4-12C.
Calling this Long Tail is quite a stretch, no pun intended
it don't sellout because it had no producing limited.... still long waiting list....
nah... it's just some letters attached to a car that's supposed to mean something speical..... like AMG 63s.... none of those engines are 6300cc
I don't think people are buying them the same reason I haven't bought the 720S I want so bad... because they have heard so many horror stories regarding reliability, QC, and scared to death of potential massive deprecation!
then they release 620r which is a limited prod version of a 570 gt track car.. which is kinda confusing.. considering that 600lt was the so called track version of the 570 iteration also I feel bad for the owners of the special msoX that are commissioned 570gt..
I hope Mclaren would slow down on the releases of their super/sports series and focus more on built quality at this stage of their business growth..
Yeah. There are 10 720's for sale on Cars.com in the US for
Also, you have a "fault" at 50mph, you......are....toast. Seriously, why are people giving these folk a pass?
I considered buying a 720S and decided against it for the same reasons.
I have a 720S performance coupe. I’ve put about 4800 miles on it trouble free with no weird trips required to the dealer. Reliability is on par with every other Exoctic car I’ve had or currently have in the garage. Customer service is hit or miss depending on the dealership. The Mclaren Charlotte guys are top notch! Depreciation...well it sucks. My advice is don’t buy them new, let someone else take the initial depreciation hit. That said, I don’t see the point of spending this type of money for an Exoctic car that sits in the garage. It’s an over priced toy that’s going to lose value over time, might as well enjoy it. Unless it’s a limited edition car, they all, regardless of brand, are going to depreciate. If you’re buying these cars for an investment or some financial gain, would suggest you reconsider your personal wealth strategy. Value is ultimately subjective, the value for me is the enjoyment I get out of it.
I bought mine in 2020. Spyder, and love it. Don’t care if prices tank or not. I bought to enjoy. Most UA-camrs aren’t car people but rather car reviewers….. love mine at 23,000 miles now
Do you advise buying a used one now? I also intend to buy it more for enjoyment.
@@Nanomachines5on if you can do so. Amazing car. So much fun driving it.
I had/have an Turbo S, GT3 RS and the 600LT spyder.
The most fun car i ever driven is the 600lt spyder.
But ONLY the spyder, because you can put the back window down. The sound experience is on whole other lever than in the coupe.
If you buy the 600lt = only the spyder!!!
Same here fella, I’m just getting over the fact the car used here is now mine and I’m sat here writing this sat in it..
As for price, I don’t see these tanking, too rare and dealerships are clicking on to it. I’ve had two dealerships I know phone me direct asking to buy it.
What area you based mate? Midlands here, Coventry way..
The fact that he’s called James Dean is cooler than owning a McLaren.....
He should be owning a Porsche 718 instead.
Meh I'd rather own the lowest end, used, McLaren
Best beware of Ford Tudors, then...
JayEmm on Cars: People know Mclaren will build too many 600lt's, and that depreciation will be a problem.
Mclaren: we released a new slightly faster than the 600lt, the 620R now.
Every Mclaren owner: I just lost some more money.
The 620R is literally a road legal GT4 car. Literally. It's different from a 600LT. Will agree on the fact that depreciation is a problem on regular mclarens. I love McLaren tho, especially the advancement in technologies and track capabilities that is Ultimate Series
@@Omar-te1pp It's not a road legal GT4 car. The GT4 car has only around 400-450hp, weighing at 1500kg, much heavier and less power than the road car. You can't seriously be thinking that Mclaren didn't purposely boost the power and performance just enough to go higher than the 600lt, but not enough to scare the 720s. For god sakes, they made a 650s 6 years ago. They can easily pump 650hp from that engine. The only factor this car has over the other road cars, is it's readily able to fit slick tires for track use. The other road mclarens don't allow you to, (if you want your warranty still).
Im boutta get one now, 4years later when depreciation hit is gone
great review, solid 4 stars up to 11:15 where it turns into indefectible JayEmm 5 star analysis, McLaren if your watching make notes.
Am I the only one noticing an awful panel gap misalignment on the left door?
It's a mclaren. It's a feature.
thats called handbuild english
If you watch his other video about his two friends buying a pair of McLarens they made them sign a form stating that misalignments are expected because it's a hand build car and claiming it's normal and telling them not to complain about it.
That shirt, got to be an MSO special.
Certainly wears that for a bet (Top Gear inside joke ;-) )
And those arms and belly must have been MSO wide body kit.
You're giving me my daily dosis of british motoring journalism I've been missing out on since Clarkson, May and Hammond left Top Gear... I've been watching your channel for a few months now and finally subscribed... really enjoy your videos!
Thankyou. Two more videos to come this week and I hope you enjoy!
Most underated cars of 2019
Lamborghini performante, 600lt,gt3 rs.
Ferrari may be considered the douche bag of the car manufacturing world but they know how to give everyone one of there cars the spotlight
They're not selling because they are utterly unreliable and something new fails or breaks every time the owner so much as blinks
Even worse than Ferrari.
Ronald Thompson Ferrari isn't bad tho
Jonathan O.P my test drive the car shut down 2 blocks away, it was blistering fast the 2nd car, the depreciation is just stupid, i got kids to feed/educate
@@michaeljkasnter sorry for your loss! xD they are gorgeous to look at though!
From what ive hears from past owners this is very true.
Well that shirt is just tremendous
4:12 FINALLY! Someone who does good car reviews who is as unimpressed with Alcantara as I am!!!
Alcantara is nothing more than a cheap and glorified material. Leather every day of the week for me.
"You aint seen me right" utter genius
"This week I shall be mostly watching JayEmm On Cars"
Ok you got me...the fire out the trunk exit exhaust is insane ...
So, you're advocating for artificial scarcity? I much preferred it when cars earned their collectible status over time, having proved their worth.
No I am advocating transparency- if it's going to be limited numbers just say
The great thing about such a grey interior is that it really lets your shirt Pop! :-)
Another fantastic video Jay...I now need to check my lottery ticket for some 600LT funds!
Absolutely love my 570S, I like it significantly more than i liked any of my previous sports/supercars (Porsche 997 Turbo, 997 GT3, Ferrari F430 and Gen2 Audi R8 V10+). The feedback, steering, chassie, seating position, steering wheel, power gearbox, doors, exterior and exterior design are all individually better than in anything else i've ever driven before not to mention all in the same car. The only thing that its lacking is a more exotic and screaming tone of the exhaust, its good but not at the level of a GT3, non turbo Ferrari or the Lambo V10 in the R8 (even with titanium straight pipes with 200 cell cats on the McLaren). Just before the lockdowns I was at full day test drive of the new Ferrari F8 Tributo, I really like Ferrari but that just confirmed to me how much i love my McLaren and how it speaks to the driver.
Oh wow! How did McLaren know what shade of green my grandmother’s kitchen was? Amazing!
Your blaming the sales on a lack of transparency in manufacturing numbers but it’s just that sales of sports cars have tanked, same for cars in general... the only up is SUV’s.
Mclaren sales have tanked as they don’t get repeat customers. That’s on top of the industry problems.
@L L Yep.
It's so sad that most people make their purchase decision based on investment and/or resale potential...
Too many people buying things they can’t really afford! These cars used to be for the 10m and up brigade and now people with literally no money but a decent wage are driving around in them.
I'm guessing that if you're in it for the long term, in 10+ years time the price of these cars will be astronomical*.
*As I said...I'm GUESSING, so not about to pop out and trade in my current exciting, fast, impractical car for one of these!
I dig the music choice during those nighttime-shots.
Sounds like a NFSSE (1995) showcase video. Similar to the Lamborghini Diablo showcase movie, if anyone remembers.
@@vladmares8128 nope, not familiar to me. (that aside I used to prefer the Countach over the Diablo back in the day.)
I love the “not DOOM” music too.
Coolest exhaust on any supercar
Also your analysis made sense.
Now that you have disclosed how many have been made, and single handedly increased the cars value. McLaren should maybe give you a car 😁
I’m in America, my local dealer has at least three 600LTs and four 720Ss on the lot, bunch of Aston Martins also, all new and not moving for months. lol
😂😂😂😂😂
5 new and 6 used currently sitting at Mclaren Charlotte, North Carolina.
Jay, you have a valid point in the real world, that is one with plenty of people who try to milk UA-cam monetisation and quickly moving through cars like they were picking up a new girl in a club each week-end. And true, McLaren aren't good at the game of building the drama, playing mind games, la-di-da. However from the days of Ron Dennis, they never particularly set out to play that game, hence why the car "only" comes with alcantara carpet and yellow belts. As a purist I think that's fantastic, it's way more pure than any Huracan that looks out of Ridge Racer and it's a closer reminder of cars like the 997 GT3 ClubSport or RS. Now regarding having some stock of cars or not limiting numbers, this can be different from country to country. Personally I think it's great that you can buy the car without the stupidity of people buying them to "flip" them. That's such a stupid lame way to make money, seriously people should just go and get a real job at the Royal Mail sorting office, do something useful rather than being a parasite. For example in USA certain buyers change their mind if they have to wait too long for a car, the new-school is very impatient. Limiting numbers has been a popular gimmick recently with any model and I actually APPLAUD Porsche once they decided they were just going to mess around with manual gearboxes as well just to shake it up for those losers who buy cars like buying gold. Even Warren Buffet says that the only true appreciating assets are stocks and shares of industrial goods that generate growth. Sure the 288 GTO etc were built in ltd numbers but at the time that was in keeping with the fact that early Ferraris (think 166M) were always build in the hundreds and had various carrozzerias doing different versions. Now I'm sure Ford will even build its S-Max "Vignale" in Limited numbers just to create some new product line to get buyers to "invest".
My 3 or 4 take-aways:
1) It's perfectly legit to dislike all the Shmees and JWW out there for wanting to make a quick buck as an alternative to Henry Catchpole or Dickie Meaden. Sorry guys, you can buy cars but you can't buy professionalism and a touch of down to earth class
2) Building and buying cars to stock like gold bullion or for boasting or just general "look me, I wear a Vacheron and own a ltd edition Senna" is wasting people's time. You can do it but cars are engineering machines made to be driven
3) nobody should give a monkey's if a 600LT or GT3 is ltd numbers or not. Sure, it devalues the car price, but it makes no difference to its merits. As Tiff Needell once said when driving the Zonda R, "They should have government-run Zondas". Ok yes then people would not think they're special...
4) The LT is an excellent car and hats of to Antonio Gonzales and the team who developed the dynamics (plus all the engineers who developed the other models leading to it, Mattia Saluzzo with Chris Goodwin and Leonardo Altieri and many more)
5) not aimed at anyone here or to JayEmm but aimed at countless annoying youtubers: if you didn't buy an LT you're not a good enough driver for it, you don't put your money where your mouth is, you're in it purely for short term gain and most of all people shouldn't be wasting time watching that content.
Jay, love your videos. Keep it up. Your viewpoint is always appreciated and worth watching every single time. Happy driving mate! Ciao.
OMG...loving the colour...McLaren week is going to get me in trouble with my wife...cos I can't stop watching UA-cam! :-D
17:52 Monotone sound? What monotone sound? I love that high pitched wail of these modern McLaren V8 exhaust sounds ever since they were introduced in the 675LT. I could go as far as saying this car sounds just like a 675LT 😲 Spine tinglingly exciting - for a turbocharged V8 engine.
Yes, the McLaren and Ferrari V8s are not bad as such, just missing that V8 sound you get with Audis, Lambos, Bentleys, Astons, etc. It’s a bit characterless at low RPM and there’s plenty of noise higher up but it’s more a loud blare than music...
Mclaren has always been the car brand for me that you admire, but never could spend actual money on. I mean after their massive engineering failures on many cars, the brand has a pretty shitty 2nd hand value overall. Massive sticker prices and basically half value after a year.
An acquaintance bought one new and essentially lost a modest house on it in a year. It doesn't get discussed.
After you running up to the camera between the two cars, I was expecting you to just say "It's..."
And "Liberty Bell March" playing afterwards
Does that mean that a giant foot is coming?
Surprisingly the 600lt is my favorite. The top exit exhaust paired with a Novitec system is insane.
You deserve more subs ! Great work.
I own this car now, it’s been in more videos than I like.. it’s a legend but have to say, the centre glovebox has fallen off, the window buttons on the drivers door have come off plus the aircon doesn’t work.
None of that matters, it goes like stink and I love it…
No bullshit…
The metal music killed me @3:38
My question is how long it'll take for the centre of the rear wing to melt or catch fire..........
My thoughts exactly! I'm sure that wing costs more than a good used car.
@@nights4eva I did wonder... Possibly it's some sort of carbon-carbon composite like brake disks.
When you hear that people (who by the way love supercars) don't want to buy one of the greatest supercars you can probably get, only because it hasn't the "right" production number (or at least allegedly hasn't) something is very wrong with the mindset of these people. They confuse cars, which are something to enjoy, with stocks, which are there to invest into or speculate with.
The light display from the exhaust is extraordinary.
So when you say "They didn't sell out" does that mean I can get one brand new?
Mac squandered an opportunity. I live in Vegas and for the aircon to not work on a NEW CAR . Yeah hard pass
600LT is my dream car and I know there are so many horror stories but I love it. Can’t wait to get one one day
The main reason they haven’t sold is because they really are a bit crap. They may be dynamically very good but the kind of people who would normally buy this kind of car are well aware of the reliability issues, the dubious build quality, the extortionate price for parts servicing and warranties (which you will need) and the fact that McLaren’s customer service is know to be quite shocking. Why do they continually just churn out new models when they have never taken the time to develop existing ones to a point were they are even vaguely useable. To me their business model seems hugely unstable and could easily end in tears leaving masses of very unhappy customers.
Nice Fast Show throwback at the start ;)
I'm glad somebody got the reference!
We simply don’t live in a world where you can mass produce quarter of a million dollar cars.
9:46 You say to "do your geo" if you own a McLaren. But what do you mean by that? How do you "do your geo(metry)?". Is it some kind of suspension adjustment? I own a 600LT and it does have a bit of understeer at low speeds. Can that be fixed?
On road or track? Mine is a bit understeery on track but not really an issue on newer tyres. Normally when I start to notice understeer it’s because the inner shoulders of the front tyres are very worn. Give yours a check. The fairly extreme camber hides inner shoulder wear unless you turn the steering to full lock to check
so you have driven the 720s ...the 570s and now the 600LT.....which of these three cars would you buy now and why?
Just done a deal on an unregistered 600LT coupe, VERY high MSO spec (coloured exterior carbon) - £58k off the OTR price!
I've owned Ferrari and now own a 2019 570S Track Pack…The McLaren is a GREAT car. Don't let people with zero ownership experience sway your opinion.
EXACTLY! I see SOOOO many comments about how terrible they are and how unreliable they are....meanwhile 95% of those people have never ever driven one. I own a 570s thats tuned and has several upgrades. I smash pretty much anything on the road and have never had any mechanical faults and I drive my car very often. I have almost 15k miles on my car now. Love every damn mile
Along with that, I am part of a huge "McLarens of South Florida" group and there are 10-15 of us and pretty much all drive semi-daily at least, and non to my knowledge have had major issues that stopped them from driving.
Having never driven one and never contacted McLaren and never having set foot in a McLaren dealership, but consumed a truckload of internets, I feel totally qualified to judge every aspect of this car and McLaren's customer service. 😂🤪
Someone I know was once a Lamborghini fan. Owns a Liberty Walk Aventador and a Capristo-equipped Aventador Anniversario, and used to own a Gallardo LP560. Tried his hands on 12C Spider in 2017, got hooked since. He gave his 12C Spider to his brother later on and used to run 540C (reliable except for the IRIS system that crashed once a while), now he got an MSO Napier Green 720S and is waiting for his Senna. Told me he'd rather daily a McLaren than Lambo, too much hassle.
@@homehustlerz248 I'm up in Tampa. Let me know if you guys ever plan to Rally this way or what not!
Home Hustlerz you should put a video up Walter
I have a 570s, as I see it the reason people are cautious to commit are depreciation and a lack of consistent quality control. And I believe those two are related as well.
You do great reviews! Subbed!
Thanks Casey!
Was that Billy Bunter driving that car?? I love the yellow tie.
Cannot wait for the review of the Exige Cup 430!
Isn't it a funny world that we live in where it's'weird' and 'wrong' that you can actually buy a car you want, new from a dealer?
The issue is the manufacturer need to be more transparent - is it limited, or is it not - McLaren were far too vague with their wording come release day
The best investments are those other people miss at the time. You get them at a bargain. That seems true of this car.
Great points. Bottom line for me. I dont care how many that made in super car standards. I would buy one regardless of the numbers.
Screw that car!!! How are all the comments not about that 🔥 SHIRT!!!
I would be proud to stand next to you anywhere!!
I'm not sure how true this is, but I vaguely remember someone saying that the 488 Pista Spider was a similar deal. They weren't limiting them to a particular number, just to a particular length of time for builds. McLaren have gone down the same route, without realising that they're not Ferrari. Ferrari will sell out and people will buy them because they're Ferrari. McLaren don't have that same level of heritage or prestige. They can't sell cars on reputation alone. They still have some work to do in all aspects of the business, it seems.
excellent really loving your channel mate its like a breath of fresh to me after watching the same car channels for years and years that just seem, well, boring now...by the way whats the music you put with the fire breathing exhausts? i need to hear it in full cheers
Sad day for supercars when owning one is all about the value now and when you sell...
I like the sleeker back look on the McLaren 570. I don’t really care for a spoiler unless it’s a dedicated race car.
Reputation is everything with a car company, and Mclaren, their reputation is to make fast, super fast, super expensive sports cars that no one can drive to the limit with on public roads, that no one wants to live with because they keep going back to the shop for problems. Hence why the classic car market full of old school manuals and slower more thematic cars, are popin' like crazy. As atleast with those you get an icon you've always dreamed of
and who in this modern age can honestly say they've dreamed of owning one of the non halo mclarens, its like dreaming to own a hurican when you could have had a diablo, its not even in the same league no matter what the figures say!
Hell honestly the only mclaren I think that people have really wanted to own was the P1, while the Senna's hit and miss as you either like that track focused purpose based design or you dont, and outside of that despite the Napier green exterior paint you have on one of these, that is literally named after the Joker in the 89 batman film, most enthusiasts dont know it even exists as to them its just another mclaren with a bigger number behind it rather than something special like those two models are
as its the same problem plaguing porsche, you have too many damn models and not enough differentiation to tell you is this the one you really want or not.
hence why the most sold porsche is the damn SUV, as you know what it is right out the gate, the rest you have to be a nerd spec person to even know which way is up!
Great video. We are collecting ours tomorrow. Thanks for the review 👍
Enjoy!
when this car came out i was annoyed at the name! its not a Longtail, the McLaren F1 had an elongated front and rear, hence the nomenclature LT, but the 600LT doesnt have an extended body! i also assume it hasnt sold well is its looks! i love the top mount exhausts but the rest of the car just doesnt look right
The LT moniker is now used to label the “special edition” McLarens. Such is the same case as the 675LT. It is an enhanced version of whatever model they base it off of.
@@davidbresnahan5986 thats what it is now! originally the F1 LT actually had an elongated front and also a Long-tail. the current cars aint ones with long tails
David Ferrari yeah, I said that. But the original F1 LT had other performance upgrades too aside from increased body length. And the new LT cars technically are longer, not by more than a few inches, but they are still longer than the cars they base themselves off of.
@@davidbresnahan5986 Its NOT a Long-Tail tho! its no longer than the 650S, regardless of what mechanical upgrades it has is that its NOT a LT so why call it something that its not! Just to catch the nostalgia of the McLaren F1, sorry but doesnt work
David Ferrari 675LT is roughly 1.4 inches longer than a 650s. It’s not much longer but it still is. The LT monicker is meant to suggest performance upgrades regardless though, so it still fits.
675lt one of my fav maccys ever, are you goin to review one too ?
big mac is my favourite maccys
@@gazzabrownhigh8891 tell that to the guy who run Apex, he wants to get rid of one cos he prefers 600LT :D But then , he also wanted to get rid of Pista after like 2 weeks of getting it,, so he might just be insane...
Tomek Czajkowski what was wrong with the Pista?
So, if it is an everyday car, how big is the trunk/boot?
Your support of British car companies does not go unnoticed.
Hi. Just found your channel. Great video so have subscribed. BTW, what camera do you use please. ( not the go pros ). Thanks.
It's a Panasonic GH5
Worth it for the Flames alone!!!
I’m guessing the flames are on the Up-shifts ?
I'm thinking of getting an LT and currently driving a 991.2 GT3, smart choice to sell the GT for the LT?
What is my choice when I have more than half a dozen McLaren 600lt listed on pre-woned Bulletin？
I don't know much about cars and so I was wondering if there's a consensus on which brand\make is the best?
Here I am, sitting in Los Angeles, where I have lived for the past 20 years, and I click on a video where you drive a McLaren around Eye, where I went to high school!
True story, here in Sweden there are a couple on sale. though from different dealers, some are on big discounts already. like new MSRP is around 350K Euros. cheapest one is around 270K... with close to delivery miles on it
If you look at the used market now, the spiders are selling very strong, from £175k - So I'm not entirely sure this run was a failure anymore ^_^
I went into Redline in Yorkshire September time and they had 3 LT's with limited mileage...I believe not one has been sold (strikes me as people aren't interested particularly at the price).
I’d buy it idc if there’s problems along the way as long if it’s in my possession I’d be happy and honored by how this stunning fast machine is
I can't believe how accepting you and James are regarding the inoperative air conditioning, and intermittent windows..........just unreal. How much did that car cost? Minimization at its max. The car should basically make you feel like the king of the world, but instead, here you are making excuses for it........McLaren.......... If my '18 NSX had a failure like that, or electrical issues with the windows, I think the Performance Manufacturing Centre in Ohio would lose it...........someone would be wondering whether or not they had a job tomorrow. At McLaren? A job well done mates...........come on Jay..........these cars aren't selling out, or selling period, because the word on the street is clear: they're garbage, and their customer service is notoriously horrible.
The music with the flames...perfect
If l had the cash it would never be the company that l would choose to buy from for sure !!
So little downforce? If both the driver and passenger stick a hand out the window, they'd improve it by a lot...
What would be good deal under sticker on one spider 2020
Jay,
When you say geometry is off, do you mean steering geometry? What should my mechanic check for on a 675LT?
Suspension/wheel geo - yeah check castor, camber and toe
What is “geo on steering” geometry? Does that simply meaning an alignment with toe and camber adjustments?
Correct
Great vids - are you in Lincolnshire on this vid? Looks like the Lincolnshire countryside. Near to Woodhall Spa - that sort of way?
3:40 : insert "how dare you" greta meme... sorry couldn't resist
When exotic car companies want to produce and sell like Ford...
Just ends up taking the special away...
You said it Down low,
Porsche, Ferrari and McLaren are pumping out models every 10 months!
The hyper car market is in a decline particularly on the UK. For the first time ever in its history, Ferrari are delivering cars that are
depreciating assets.
McLaren and the Lamborghini Huracan depreciate instantly.
Exclusive Limited Editions - are all the rage. Porsche cleverly created this model; Ferrari has its 5 hyper cars and limited edition "race edition" e.g.
the 488 GT3, everyone's favourite the FXX K EVO which costs anywhere from £1.5 to 3.
Limited Editions -
for the haves and the obscenely wealthy.
Do the exhaust flames burn the spoiler?
Great video JayEmm:) any idea on how many left handlers are out there??
Panel mis-alignment on the passenger door is horrible.
Porsche GT2 RS all the way. Was fortunately enough to drive it twice and it is the best car i have ever been in.
Gt2 rs is not a car
It is a high scaled GOD
@@lifeskillsin3minutes698 Exactly.
And you can get a GT2RS under list. Still a very expensive car, but it "lost" all it's mark up.
Where are GT2 RS for sale under list?
mobile . de starting around 360k euro.
Hi what camera are you using, the one that can be seen mounted to the windscreen?
When does the rear spoiler melt or catch fire?
Im looking for a gently used version of this car. It shoots flames for crying out loud i love it!!!
Does the spoiler not get damaged from the flames from the exhaust?
No that is why it has the coating in the middle
2:30 No road legal car makes a substantial amount of downforce at usable speed, you just can't do it within the law, it's all a sales pitch. To get an idea of what you need to do to make real downforce with a road car style chassis you only need to look at time attack cars with their dramatic underbody tunnels, gigantic wings and front lips that stick out 4ft in front of the front axles.
@UCYUXo_kYwrVTIY3QmGDJP_A Designing a car to generate down force was something that came from racing so saying that it's irrelevant is a gross misunderstanding. Time attack cars are built the way they are to generate useful down force at lower speed, you need huge control surfaces in order to make larger pressure differentials with less air speed. They don't have to take road conditions or safety into account and therefore are free to do what is necessary to make useful forces which result in appreciable gains.
Making 100kg of downward force on the tyres at 150mph isn't particularly useful, it's a minimal increase in traction at a speed where cornering is unlikely and the acceleration load is reduced (higher gear = less torque at the wheels). You're never going to need the extra load at the speed required to generate it.
like the fucking dickheads i see putting full on wings on a VW golf, ive never pointed & laughed at someone so hard in public. the guy must of went red surely.
people use downforce talk to pretend they arent buying a dollop of mass produced machinery and get a dream of racing but in reality its for sitting in traffic 30 mins a day on the way to work.
I think McLaren makes too many cars and as a consequence, the various models do not receive enough attention and refinement prior to sale. Making too many cars also means the cars are not rare or unique. McLaren needs to pull back, and rethink their market strategy. Otherwise they will have something in common with the Dodo bird.
They really are still incredible looking cars,and insane value for money
I wonder how long it takes for the exhaust to fuck up the rear wing.