Engineer Reacts to Milwaukee M18 Fuel Surge Impact Driver Internal Design | How's It Made Ep. 13
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2021
- Brand: Milwaukee
Model: M18 Surge 1/4" Hex Hydraulic Driver
Model Number: 2760-20
Source: Home Depot
I have no affiliation with Home Depot or Milwaukee
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Welcome to this Product Analysis / Review / Teardown / Disassembly from the perspective of a professional Product Development Engineer. I have 10 years of experience bringing complex products to market. My goal is to explain how, how well, and how efficiently the product is designed, manufactured, and executed.
I try to focus on these main areas:
Manufacturing Processes Used
Materials Used
Assembly Processes and Labor Needed
Overall Product Design and Execution
And I will try to rate and compare all of these based on:
Quality, Function, Cost Effectiveness, Aesthetics, Ingenuity, and Synergy - Наука та технологія
I like how you use a grid cut mat, it inadvertently gives an exact scale to everything you break down
I thought some might like it. Thanks for the feedback!
The intro was too accurate lolll
I aim for accuracy!
Yes we can popopppppj
Yeah, I should hit the hay after this
Excellent video. It’s refreshing to have an intelligent knowledgeable person break down a tool and explain the components. Also , the absence of annoying music is nice too. Thanks 👍
Thanks for the feedback... I have a day job so I ain't got time for them music..lol...
Great Job I love the demo
Currently an owner of an M12 3/8" drive Speed Ratchet (2567-20), and quite happy with it. Now I'm looking at M18 products, and your video is very helpful.
Great to know I could help... Thanks for the comment!
as I own tons of impacts drivers/drills from each brand that one might heard of lol, I agree about how the rubber on handles feels (somewhat like slippery, or little oily feeling), also you spot on for Ridgid tools.. I think as well Ridgid tools has the best rubber texture ever, then Makita & Dewalt come after IMO
I own both m12 and m18 tools. I like the grip much more on the m12, but now I understand why it's larger. Beside the battery the driver board has a ton of room in that giant handle. This is an excellent breakdown thankyou for taking the time to do it. I am now subscribed
They really did utilize the space very creatively in my opinion. Thanks for the kind words and the sub!
This is actually my favourite impact drill because it’s respectful, (not as loud as the other impacts) and it’s so buttery smooth to use. I have the 18V and 12V version.
Yes, that hydraulic impact system really is the best mechanical improvement i've seen in a long time in these types of tools. Thanks for the comment.
How do the 12 and 18 volt versions compare in actual use? I’d prefer the 12 but don’t want to sacrifice too much power. Are they both equally quiet?
@@bradovard722 @Brad Ovard Sorry, I have not tried the 12V, but based on the technology i would not expect there to be much noise difference.
@@bradovard722 I know this comment is old, but check out Last Best Tool. He compares both and says the M18 is actually smoother because there's less rotational torque transferred to the hand due to its heavier weight.
Many folks have commented that the M12 is noticeably louder than the M18, but still quieter than the standard M12 Fuel Impact.
Some of them are louder to due to the frequencies they project
I’ve been using one for about a week now building a bar, it seems to drive screws about the same as my DeWalt but it’s so much quieter and smoother, l also noticed it doesn’t slip off the screw head because of the harsh impacts, as for the rubber on mine it’s perfect and not oily.
Thank for the real user feedback!
2 Thumbs up for this Sir, using his knowledge and time to meticulously explain the technology involved in a tool project and production. Very informative and interesting. Please continue investing effort in this channel. Thanks.
Thanks for the encouragement. i just got done with a multiyear project that was consuming my time so more videos to come soon!
Awesome channel. I actually just bought this impact driver as well. So much lighter than my ryobi. Great breakdown!
Thanks for the kind words.
Really good video, and impressive stuff from Milwaukee too. Would love to see a side-by-side comparison of the Surge against other hydraulic impact drivers like the Makita Oil Impulse and the Rigid Stealth.
Great video like always
Much appreciated!
Damn dude..,,..Thr more you went over the tool the more im so glad I went with this tool line....though the prices hurt lol
00:44 -- Damn it! There's no telling how many countless hours of YT that I've fallen asleep to over the years - but it's generally some geeky shit. Glad I found you - Subbed!
PS- Just realized my comment made almost zero sense, and is a disjointed mess. I guess sleeping IS slightly important.
I love these reviews
Glad hear. thanks for taking the time. more coming soon.
I enjoyed your review! I thought it was quite comprehensive.
Thanks!
Awesome review 😊
Thanks a bunch man!
Nice video. I have and use this tool, alongside with 4 other impact drivers(2 Makitas, 1 Dewalt and 1 Hikoki) - for more than an year now - and it is very, VERY nice! Smooth, low vibration and quiet. But I can't really understand your point with the smaller base footprint..? It will have the exact footprint of the battery you put on it. The High Output 3Ah battery will have a larger footprint than the traditional 2Ah. Simple as that. I for one use the light and small 2Ah batteries, because I don't need the extra power, as i am a cabinet maker.
Thanks for the feedback. The only point I was trying to make on the battery is that the rails and connection footprint is much narrower than the rigid so you have the option of using the smaller one, where as you don't have that option witht he rigid becasue of how large the connection footprint is.
22:25: Remind me to spend extra on machining and buffing when I start making my own brand of tools here in Arizona
Great video....thanks mate....From Australia
Much appreciated, thanks!
nice break down ty
Thanks for the feedback!
On the market for one right now....still debating on the reg version which is faster then this or the surge version which is quiter....I might go for the surge if the noise is actually really noticeable in difference.
Though if I was in a position of knocking in a hundred or so screws day in and out I would for sure go for the louder but faster fuel original m18.
Cool vid I got one of these and m12 surge they’re fun to use lol
Thanks for the positive vibes!
This is great stuff.
Thanks!
Awesome Review so Good i wanted to Subscribe! Like to see more Reviews & hoping Milwaukee builds a Gen 4 Surge with all of whats currently in the Gen 2 or 3 M18 & makes it Even better.!
Allen D
Much appreciated!
Great. Could you explain, how each circuit board would run? For example connect the yellow wire to this transitor or something it’ll cause it to reverse
That is actually a subject I know very little about... I know the capabilities and design guidelines for PCBs from a mechanical fit and function point of view, but not much more.
Where is the link for the internals on the hydraulic part?
Love your intros there so accurate 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great review. You get what you pay. 👍
Excellent video: I'm looking for the link to the link you mentioned about how the hydraulic action is put together as I did not see it in video or description. Can you add that please?
I ended up including it earlier on in the video at 4:22. But here is the full video i got it from ua-cam.com/video/JTOUcQeERSQ/v-deo.html
It's not a trigger isolator, it's to make sure the trigger doesn't move at all and takes up the clearance in the stackup.
It makes sense that it would be doing that as well, but other brands locate the trigger with hard plastic so the rubber being the part that touches must be providing some vibration damping, unintentional or not. Thanks for the comment.
Good day sir, stoked iv found your channel!, talk about into the weeds in-depth analysis of the inside of a power tool!! First class!! I was all ready for you to take the oil pulse head to bits aaaaand you didn’t!!! Please can you do it 🙏,at the moment I think I’m the only one crazy enough to totally split down the head of a makita dts 141 oil pulse driver ( it’s on my channel) and it battered my head right in!! So I’d love to see what the inside of the Milwaukee impact looks like and how it performs!! Going off the animation it looks really similar to the makita!, anyway of course iv subbed and looking forward to watching more of your videos , cheers 🤟🤟
It always bothered me that I didn't get into the heart of the mechanism but maybe a good subject for a dedicated video. Subbed and thanks for the feedback
Can you do the same breakdown of the standard fuel impact?
Thanks for the suggestion! I will add it to my list.
I'm curious as to whether there is potting sealant on the second and third boards.
I did not see any sheen or reflection typically seen with clear potting compounds like on the Hercules main board. But conformal coatings can be matte and harder to see and i would be surprised if the other PCBs did not have it... given the obvious moisture risk to exposed boards.
As an engineer, what are your thought on the power and capability of the 3/8 m12 fuel stubby along with the m12 fuel impact driver? I don’t own the m12 impact driver but I was considering it for the low cost and potential ease of use with small size and light weight matched up to a compact 2.0 m12 battery for automotive diy work. Thanks
I would expect a 12v impact driver to be sufficient, but for stuff that needs a socket, there will probably be a lot of nuta or bolt that you wish you had the 18v for.
Next, let’s hear your opinion about one of Makita’s 18v impact drivers, Maybe the XDT13 or XDT14
These two well known. and thanks for the cool reviews you do!
Thanks for the kind words and feedback. I have added those to my list.
My surge is stuck on speed 1 and I cannot get it to switch over, any advice?
Almost has to be a button or PCB failure. Modern buttons are typically not repairable and need replacing. Sorry, that's the best i got.
Milwaukee owes you for extra sales you’ve generated lol. Nice tear down and well explained, keep it up!
Much appreciated!
We have gone through a few surge impacts. Even though we warrantied a cpl it's still my favorite. Here's what happen, we use the crap out of our impacts. When the surge started getting warm it wouldn't come out of reverse. Once cooled it would function properly. Thankfully milwaukee did warranty the cpl we have sent back so far. Being $170 bare tool we shouldn't have the issues we had. That is the only issue we have experienced though on the jobsite. Overall I still buy them bc its an amazing impact.
I lied! There was a 2nd issue we had. One of the surge impacts got the milwaukee flip bit stuck in the chuck. Milwaukee still covered warranty but suggested we do not use any flip bit in the surge even if it is the milwaukee flip bit designed for impacts. They did send us our milwaukee impact flip bit back though unharmed lol. That was a plus lol.
@@guido1534 Good warranty service is a huge plus in my book. thanks for the feedback.
The oils on the rubber over mold will come right off after the first good use, leaving a dry grippy surface. This model is also 6 years old now and it should be due for a new second generation surge model, the other standard “Fuel Brushless” impacts are already on their 2nd or 3rd generations and even had minor refinements.
Great feedback... the real world use info is a very nice addition to the mostly theoretical analysis that I can do on a table top.
The intro is top notch, can we also get a milwaukee m12 3/8 stubby impact product review?
Thanks man... i've added it to my list.
@@JJCCENG thanks, I liked, commented and subbed lol
Can you make a video of the Hercules ultra torque 1/2 inch impact
Can you please do one of these reviews for the smaller m12 surge
I have added it to my list; thanks for the suggestion.
Excellent detail, grid scale helpful, my father (an engineer) watched this with me and was so pleased) I wanted to see the inside of the hydraulic section and an explanation of how it works. Other than that, SO good!
So glad to hear. I actually paused the recording and tried to get to the internals but they are pressed together as a non-serviceable item... probably to protect the design details. I should have mentioned that but forgot to. Thanks for the feedback.
@@JJCCENG I believe it’s reverse thread, I saw another person take it apart
@@WyattH That explains alot, Thanks!
Milwaukee sells this tool along-side its standard M18 fuel impact driver as being quieter. An analysis of db's, along with any difference in torque, would be useful.
I have access to a good decibel ready too, should have thought of that.... Good idea, thanks!
The torque on the surge is 400 inch pounds. The normal fuel impact driver is 1800 inch pounds, so a very big difference in torque. The surge is for smaller fixings and for use in say, indoor settings.
@@whirled_peas I was about to say no way and thought you were lying until I saw it right there on the box. Wow
I want you to show me what makes a big difference between dewalt insides from first they’ve made to the recent 850 they’ve made and show why they’ve made recent changes and what they’ve improved
The sounds super interesting... thanks for the suggestion!
Nice informative video, I was hoping to see how the hydraulic part worked. Where are the Milwaukee M18 made? All my M12 tools are made in China.
I did not notice it written anywhere but that would have been nice to find out.
@@JJCCENG Unfortunately, like many things, if you have to dig around for a special feature, it probably doesnt have it. "Made in the USA" will be obvious, especially for a company called Milwaukee. I had to use magnifying glasses to read the tiny print on the tool label.
Wait there's no oil cooling down the metal inside?
Reason for smaller gear and plastic motor housing is much lower impact (torque) than a normal impact driver.
Some observations on your observations. Motor shaft gear diameter - note that this shaft is turning at very high speeds with relatively low torque. The size of the pinion gear required is proportional to the torque. Note that the torque value quoted for this impact wrench is only 450 in-lbs vs. 1,500+ in-lbs for non-hydraulic impact drivers. Probably doesn't need the beefy drive gear.
The molded "rubber" grip really needs to be evaluated after being used for awhile. Too grippy and it may collect dirt and dust and become slippery. Not grippy enough and it is rather useless. My M12 tools all seem to be plenty grippy, but I keep them pretty clean. Would be interesting to know how they hold up in dusty or oily environments. These are questions that can't really be answered from the analysis of a new tool, I know. But I felt that you spent too much time commenting on that aspect of the design without even mentioning that it would require both a more comprehensive evaluation as well as a longer term test to evaluate properly.
Valid criticisms, thanks!
My surge wouldn't sink a deck screw after having it 6 months and I didn't use it that much. looks new. Is the surge made more for light use and sheet metal screws?
I am actually stepping away from Milwaukee because of their lack of performance and reliability
I do not believe so. The specs they claim are on par with similar models of the same voltage.... I wonder if seals or parts in the drive unit itself that compress the fluid can wear out prematurely and let fluid escape and be less effective at hammering.
Interesting. They could be letting quality slip to capitalize on their brand equity... Happens to some of the best bands like Mercedes for example.
@@JJCCENGMercedes? What do you mean? I bought 2nd AMG and except for the software of the infotainment, which is simply badly designed, and has bugs, both cars, their performance, handling, and reliability are great. My 1st Mercedes was manufactured in 2015, the 2nd one in the fall of 2022.
Any particular things I should be aware of, like premature engine/transmission failures? Something I have to have an eye for, before my 5 year warranty expires?
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In a drop test what would internally get damaged?
My first guess would be an electrical connection around the battery or aluminum front drive case... Then maybe the plastic housing 3rd
Cool video! 👍
Can you do the m12 surge teardown?
I have added it to my list. Thanks!
@@JJCCENG awesome thank you!
How'd you know I was supposed to be going to bed?
Cause that's when I watch nerdy stuff like this😁
I just bought one of these and noticed that when I shake it, it makes a knocking sound. It’s from the chuck sliding back and forth, there’s about 1/16” of play in and out. Any idea if this is normal?
That does sound normal from my experience with hex drivers of other brands.
@@JJCCENG I felt a sense of relief until I read “other brands”
I only say that because I have only held one m18 so I don't know what normal should feel like for that one specifically.
@@JJCCENG Milwaukee just responded and said they recommend sending in the drill to their Factory Service Center for evaluation. Since I just bought the drill and haven’t even used it yet, I’m just going to exchange it for a new one at Home Depot.
@@goldistocks609they would the same thing to 95% of customer concerns I expect. What was the outcome?
Well it has oil on it because it keeps the tool from rusting.
Where can I find the clip you mention at 21:12?
I actually put it at 4:25 instead. sorry for the confusion.
@@JJCCENG got it, thanks.
0:45 hit me hard
I know it's why I would be watching something like this ;)
That retainer. Is that why it doesn't hold screws in lol
The size of the sun gear is a little surprising.
With how good Milwaukee's reputation is, they must know what they are doing, but i was surprised to say the least.
Where is the "hydraulic" coming from? Didn't see any oil
The hydraulic mechanism is inside that cylinder at the end but I couldn't figure out how to get it apart. The graphic at the begining shows the internals though.
Nylon 66 50 % glass is like pushing concrete through a straw with a cool down of hours.
Interesting... Can't be good for the screw and tool life either. Thanks for the manufacturing insight!
I'm really liking your channel. casting, plastic and industrial design are not my expertise, so it's something new and interesting. Though what I think would make your videos better Is to look at more shitty products and say what could be changed about them instead of looking at the best and going "Well there's little to be changed here" at the end of the video.
Ahhhh, I hadn't really thought of that but I like it... you don't have to ask me twice to rant about what's wrong with something lol. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@JJCCENG you're welcome! I think if you keep it up you will grow your channel quickly. Also another perhaps even better idea might be to use juxtaposition for some videos, i.e.taking apart and ripping into a black & decker product and showing how some features are donegal better on a Milwaukee. Or even taking that and instead of saying one is better than the other, show how one is cheaper and the other is higher quality and so on. Anyway thanks for the content I highly appreciate it and I hope for the best in your UA-cam career.
@@bucklogos Very grateful for the thoughtful advice! All the best to you as well.
The footprint is small but the battery extends past the footprint by an inch or so.
Yes, I wish I had a battery for the video to illustrate the specifics better... when attached, the footprint does get bigger but still significantly smaller than the 18 volt Rigids and Dewalts and what-not. Thanks for the clarification.
You should check out the ridged subcompact line. Makes this milwaukee look like andre the giant
Please do the new Flexpowertool lineup :):):)
I had not considered that brand yet: Thanks for the suggestion!
This Hydraulic Impact 2760-20 stops working when it's +5 degrees outside and when it's minus outside, it won't tighten a single screw. The instructions say that you need to warm it up for 10 sec. but this doesn't help. I don't recommend it for those who need to work outside
Great feedback from real life use.
I believe pa66 is also more heat resistant than regular pay.
I had not noticed that trend... it's nice doing these reviews cause I always learn something. Thanks!
Current price at HD is 169. A $40 dollar increase in 9 months. (assuming you bought it just prior to posting the review). By this time next year it will be $250 I guess.
Yes, that's about right... sorry to hear that... 4% inflation my a** (according to the feds). Welcome back to late 70s stagflation...
Right now with 2(two) 5.0 battery for 200...
@@KhmerSupaSoka I see that. I am on the fence though. Do you think Milwaukee is trying to blow them out because of all the negative reviews? $200 is like buying 2 batteries and getting a free driver though.
@@lancomedic yea .could definitely get 2 pack of high output 6.0s for 250 but yea free impact/charger
@@lancomedic i see a lot of deals with xc 5.0s. Seems like they are giving them away. But if you mean the impact? Its not a bad drill, especially at the free price point.
Could not disagree more about the handle. I have one and the grip is great. Takes time to break it in.
I've been informed similarly by a number of other users so glad to have you guy's feedback on product quality during and after real world use.
i just got 1 over the weekend i work in the Rv industry run about 400 lags a day ill let u know when it breaks in a few months lolz
Excellent! Nothing beats real world feedback.
@@JJCCENG so yeah its already messing up on not letting bits go and its well loud....now lol i used it for 9 days witch is rought 3,564 lags
@@rnrnrnm That's troubling. I hope milwaukee isn't letting it's quality slip on a mass scale.
@@JJCCENG honestly I am heavy use I use the gen 3 guns no problems and I thin the surge is more for light for medium use the gun still works just fine other than the stated problems. Love Milwaukee!
This is seriously better than AvE. I’d love to see you do a similar teardown and review of the Kobalt XTR 24-volt drill driver!
whoa, easy there killer, he might see this and I don't want any trouble... ;) seriously though, thanks for the kind words! I have added the Kobalt to my list.
@@JJCCENG Last night I rewatched the HFT episodes, the bosch, hyper tough, and this one...... You need to expand to kobalt, Ryobi, Hart etc. Would be cool to see how TTI made tools compare across brands too
@@badmexicancinema8100 I have been interested in that very thing myself... how do they differ even though the money all goes to the same place... thanks for the suggestion, adding it to my list.
@@JJCCENG I know you gave the thumbs up to ol' Milwaukee but i was blown away by that Bosch breakdown and seeing all the attention to detail that was on the inside of that tool. Another idea, after all the other suggestions are done, do a 'frankenstein' episode saying which pieces to combine from each brand to make the supreme drill or impact driver.
@@badmexicancinema8100 I think that might be the best new idea i've heard so far... I don't have many of the tools anymore but i could commentate over a compilation of original design reviews... thanks for the banger!
U find plastic were there should be metal which is bad, but because it's Milwaukee that part is wonderful.Maybe that Milwaukee isn't as good as it should be
It's possible, but it could be they just have their manufacturing and material quality down so well that they can reliably make that part plastic.... Definately possible but hard to tell just by looking.
21:08 i'd say that's actually about average
Of course the over mold is slick. You haven't used it yet. It's brand new out of the box. Lol. Gotta get it dirty😉
Fair enough, but one of the properties of cheep rubber is oily residues and most others did not feel that way so i thought it was worth mentioning. Thanks for the comment.
@@JJCCENG or the oil is from someone handling it. Seeings I'm a huge Milwaukee fan and all my tools are Milwaukee I believe I would know if they are " oily" and they never have been. Your using all book smarts and no common sense.
@@kentuckybeardsmanThe oiliness wasn't in a book dude I'm just reporting what I see. The driver was new out of the box.. but it was just a sample of one and that issue was really the only complaint and will probably get better with use like you said. I mentioned throughout that Milwaukee's quality is unmistakable and the rest of the video was all positive. Thanks for the critique... keep'em coming.
@@JJCCENG lol
@@kentuckybeardsmantheres no way you're being serious.. right ? what kind of wet noodle logic is that
Why do people not sub...
Probably not enough cleavage for their liking... ;)
@@JJCCENG 🤣
Next time can you cut it in half, like others are doing with shoes on UA-cam 🤦♂️
JK, Kool video, Thanks for sharing Bro.
LOL! you had me for sec like "well i guess i could maybe". Thanks for the good vibes!
Can you do the Milwaukee chainsaw?
Thank you for the suggestion. I have added it to my list.
I would spend the extra money if Milwaukee matched the battery and tool warranty from Ridgid.
Yes, both tools will probably last forever but batteries don't so hard to argue with that logic. Thanks for the comment!
@@JJCCENG yeah, i been thru three sets of power tools that it was cheaper to buy new sets than new batteries🙃
@@laredotech Yes, that's true but Milwaukee has kept the battery attachment the same for a long time. Even though they keep upgrading the technology of the batteries the new ones still fit the old tools. Other companies not so much.
@@lancomedic Ryobi’s kept their 18V battery design from the NiCd days. While M18 is pretty old now, it is still Milwaukee’s second 18V lithium battery design, with Makita’s LXT and DeWalt’s 20V Max both being pretty old at this point as well.
If anyone should get kudos for support of older tools, it’s Dewalt as they offer an adapter to run 20V max batts on their 18V tools.
I get that you don't like the oily feel but you act like the oils cant be removed with a single wipe of a rag with brake parts cleaner
The oiliness didn't seem to be a film on the grip, rather a property of the rubber itself; that being said, I assume the rubber would probably dry out and get better with time and use. Thanks for the comment.
The intro called me out.
lol
This same model is $169 now.
30% increase... welcome to fiat currency :( Thanks for the data point!
How do you know all this shit?
😂 Good stuff though boss. Thanks for the info. Well done sir.
15 years product development has filled my mind with mostly useless information ;)
So why does everyone still think milwaukee have plastic gears in their tools if you get them from home depot?
Probably a rumor started by Lowes ;)
Get some Talon grips on there
They work pretty good on my shield... hell, why not?
@@JJCCENG The Shield is a great CCW...
@@sargentd3125 I agree, fits my hand like a glove.. i'm more accurate with it than I am with my full frame pistols.
@@JJCCENG S&W did a great job with the Shield. Happy Plinking..
I truly think you have a great idea here for some good content and a great channel. Sure, there's LOTS of reviews on tool operation and how they function... But getting into the finer details on why the tool functions well (or not), and the areas that are concerning that can pose potential future issues is awesome.
You could even go a step further and show people what part failed if your tool is doing XYZ. Or expose what parts commonly fail in certain tools due to design, materials used, etc...
Look at the LockPickingLawyer (he's awesome), he has tons of subscribers talking about freakin' locks. He doesn't beat the locks with a hammer, put blow torches on em or freezes them to test their quality. He shows you how easy, or not as easy locks are to pick based off of their function and design and if the quality of the tool is in fact what they claim or have been known for historically.
You're basically doing the same thing with tools. I'd love to see more of these on your channel. Keep up the great work.
You get what i'm driving at ;) Thanks for the kind words... i figured there had to be people who found the details interesting that i could bring to the table.
quality that's the wors material in between milwaukee ridgid and ryobi i just return the shitty tool back to home depot
Has way more torque
This is the real AVE
whoa! easy there fella... I don't want no war with the Canooks. ;)
@@JJCCENG well we all gotta piss with the cock we got
I was tricked! I seen a healing bench and thought this was a BOLTR video.
Just a cheap knock off boltr... lol
@@JJCCENG , still a well done video. I was hoping you would get into the hydraulic part since uncle bumblef*ck couldn't do it.
@@ClintMaas Thanks man... you're cracking me up royally!!! :)
It bothers me that you knew all the answers to my questions in the first 54 seconds of the video.
lol! I try..
Bad drill just get the old fuel gen
You've said a few things in this video that lead me to believe that you are in fact, not a "professional design engineer"
Like what?
I think you maybe give just a touch (way) too much deference to a corporation not just cutting corners. "We know they're professional grade, so it must be good," sounds like you're coming out of the Milwaukee marketing department.
I'm also not sure what the point of a small battery MOUNT footprint is, since you still have to strap a battery to it. I don't think they have especially low profile batteries, does it make a practical difference once that's mounted?
My point of view for the overall quality of Milwaukee has been feedback from professionals on other videos and from my general sense from professionals ive talked to personally; but I will try to stick to what i can actually see in the future.
the batteries are not shorter but they are narrower than other brand 18Vs which can come in handy espacially for automotive work where space side to side can be really limited. Thanks for the feedback.
@@JJCCENG Interesting that they're more narrow. Wide batteries are annoying, which is one of the reason that 21700 batteries are annoying, they give you those sweet sweet amps, but at the cost of larger cells leading to larger packs. I really dislike the lower Ah Dewalt "compact" 21700 batteries due to their width.
Should the fact that you choose to use RIDGID tools tell me something? I mean, a guy that evaluates power tools from multiple brands on UA-cam, uses specific tools from a specific tool brand? Am i reading too much into this?
I bought them well before I started reviewing products...I originally got them for the lifetime battery warranty but have to say, I have zero complaints about the durability, as you can see, they are old and i have beat the crap out of them and they keep working.... hard to argue with results.
@@JJCCENG So, just one more question. Based on what you've seen from all the different makes, from an engineering aspect, which one impresses you the most?
@@charlieg.6242 Bosch, hands down. Now keep in mind I am only evaluating based on the intuition that I use to design products myself. Over the years I got better and better at making design decisions that lead to less warranty returns and better customer feedback so I like the odds on my analysis... but NOTHING can take the place of real world use for years... the Bosch could have a hidden weak spot in the PCB or poor bearing life that I just can't see... but based on what I can see, the Bosch is the most highly engineered. Been waiting for someone to ask that question.. Thanks!
@@JJCCENG Thanx for your reply, very much appreciated.
@@JJCCENG you should check out hilti if you think Bosch are the best engineered.
team up with AVE
I'd love to but i'm what you call a small fish :)
Who the fuck cares if your drill is quieter. Makes no sense when you’re in a loud construction environment
You sound like a Milwaukee fanboy. Engineering seems a bit lacking compared to the Bosch.
And it's made in china.