Milwaukee M18 Fuel Surge Hydraulic Driver 2760-20 Review in 4K
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Tired of loud impact drivers? Milwaukee releases a quieter impact driver named the M18 Surge that is 50% quieter. I put it to the test to see if these claims are true and also compare it's performance and features to their own 2nd Gen Fuel impact driver and another well known quiet driver from Ridgid - the Stealth Force.
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Specs/Pricing/Warranty
Volts: 18V
Chuck: ¼ in. hex
Brushless motor
Torque: 450 in-lbs
Max Speed: 0-3,000 RPM
Max Impacts Per Minute: 0-4000 IPM
4 mode drive control
Weight: 2.1 lb baretool / 3.1 lbs with XC battery
5″ length
Pricing: Baretool $149; 2 compact battery Kit $249; 2 XC battery kit $329
Warranty: 5 year
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I just bought the Surge. It replaces an older M18 impact. SO MUCH BETTER. Quiet and drives 1/4 screws like butter. I wish I had picked this up sooner.
Nice
@@ToolCrazeft.lbs???
@@dalehall2993 only impact wrenches are measured in ft lbs. This is not an impact wrench. To find out an impact drivers Max torque in ft lbs, divide in lbs by 12, that's it, simple!
@@ToolCraze
37.5 ft.lbs not enough for lugnuts 😒
Man your reviews are top notch, I don't know how you don't have double the subscribers as other tool channels that just talk about tools instead of using them, great video! You don't realize how loud these things are until you install a cabinet, surge would help A LOT
Thanks Franco. It could be I haven't been on UA-cam for that long. It's been almost 3 years since I've had my channel. It will be almost two years for the website toolcraze.net
As you mentioned I think the surge really shines when driving medium to light duty screws. Working indoors with this tool is night and day compared to a traditional impact as well! Great review!
Got the Surge, even more impressive in person than audio of any You Tube vid could ever explain!
You do a hell of a good job reviewing Xavier.
I have the Milwaukee kit set one key!! Before two days I bought the Milwaukee surge impact !! Milwaukee is a very respected company!! The surge is very smooth and not loud impact!! I watch your video and believe it or not I change me mind. I think I'm going with ridgid stealth force impact !! Keep up the good work, your videos are helpful!!
I just "discovered" your channel and now I'm a new subscriber. Solid presentation Javier. I'll be buying the Black Friday special on the Surge that just started today at HD.
Best handyman impact driver. Very compact, light weight, powerful enough, quite, good price and most importantly...it's RED!
Damn that Ridgid kicks ass.
This is the best review I have seen about the surge compared to every other reviewer thankyou
Love my rigid stealth force. Run it all day everyday, never had a problem.
I'm in the Ridgid line big time and got the Stealth Force too and I love it cuz it has so much torque and speed. However Milwaukee was gracious enough to send me out some really cool free tools and 5 free 5.0amp batteries, which we all know is one of the biggest costs when breaking into a new tool line, so I decided to go ahead and pick myself up a Milwaukee Surge and traded one of my 5.0amp batteries to my friend for one of his compact 2.0amp batteries to keep my Surge nice and light so now between it and my Stealth Force I have the best of both worlds the Surge with it's light weight and finesse and the Stealth Force with it's brute force and speed!
Definitely, the most honest, accurate comparative review on UA-cam. Based on this review, I will choose Rigid Stealth ... simply cannot sacrifice speed and efficiency. Rigid is not the smallest or lightest, but overall, Rigid provides the only Lifetime Warranty, and in this test, Rigid is the fastest and virtually as quiet as M18 Surge. Therefore, Rigid gets my vote.
👍🏼 although I will say the Ridgid requires a bit of finesse to drive fasteners. The Ridgid has less impact pulses and pushes further with each pulse so your hand has to push at the same speed otherwise the but slips. A regular impact drives fasteners easier and the surge behaves just like a regular impact.
Ridgid no longer has the stealthforce in their lineup. You can still buy them if you google it but not from home depot. I have no idea why they canceled it but I love mine! It really drives screws amazing but I also have the surge for a little more fine work. I have tried to remove old screws with the stealthforce and it is easy to snap them off and it's also easier to over drive your screws into wood. But once you realize the power it's awesome!
Another great review! I'd like to see Milwaukee come out with a m12 surge impact driver.
Thanks Cody, maybe we should start a petition for an M12 Surge
You were ahead of your time
Great review! Cover all points needed when deciding if worth the upgrade or not.. Very thorough, well spoken guy. Will revisit for other reviews, Cheers....
Well I have been running Ridgid tools for awhile and have around 17 of their tools and have stepped up to a lot of their Gen5x tools including the Stealth Force which I absolutely love. Well thanks to Milwaukee graciously sending me out some really cool free tools within the last 6 months as well as 5 free 5.0amp batteries, which we all know is one of the biggest costs and most important things to have when breaking into a new tool line. So I decided I had to pull the trigger and pick up one of these Milwaukee Surge impacts, I knew when I bought it that it did not have the same power and speed as my Ridgid Stealth Force but the reason I still got it is because it is much lighter and works just as good installing small fasteners like say when screwing up drywall and I would much rather have a lighter tool when doing that all day and second because it has more finesse for driving smaller fasteners where you need a lighter touch. And after using these new hydraulic drivers I will never go back to a regular impact driver and now with the Milwaukee Surge and the Ridgid Stealth Force I have the best of both worlds a small light driver for smaller fasteners and more finesse and a large driver with tons of torque and power when I need it so now I have the best of both worlds!!!
10dB = perceived noise doubling
3dB = actual noise level doubling
Havir, another great, helpful, honest review, thanks for sharing young man. Kindest regards. Joe.
Thanks as always Joe!
Still making great videos! Good job buddy
Hey Jarrod, thanks bro. Good to hear from you! Hope you and Courtney are doing great.
This review was very helpful and thorough. Good job!
Hydraulic usually means a fluid is used to drive something, much like the brakes on a car or the jack you change the oil with. I had no idea Milwaulkee even had a hydraulic driver. I had enough problem getting a 1/4 in standard impact that had a battery that was not too far below its storage threshold. Milwaulkee needs to put more juice in their batterys for storage before shipping. The longer the battery sits, the lower the juice. Eventually the power level goes below the set value of the charger. Then you get the red green show and no charge.
Basically any manufacturer that sells any battery and not just for tools, puts about half a charge in their batteries.
I bought the surge and want it to know how good it is. Thank for letting us know about his limitations..
Nice video just like all of them. I gotta say to GO Stealth Force it's a beast and you won't be getting mine away from me!
Ha ha thanks
hey...how are ya?... I just bought this today....ya really can't appreciate the sound volume difference until you try it in person. It's awesome! big difference from the full size models. I can see using this after a rough night of drinking!...lol I see this being the to go to impact gun for running screws all day long....and hangovers
I'm doing ok thanks for asking. LOL about using this after drinking and hangovers
Great tool review. Easy to follow and logical. All facts at hand without any stumbling around and guessing. Thanks for the hard work prepping and editing for these reviews.
This video was amazing! Cheers ! Mine comes on Monday!!!
Another great review Bro, how does the surge compare to the Makita version. Years ago I went to Makita and have been extremely satisfied. Thanks for taking the time to do these reviews.
Thanks Joey! Without having tried out the Makita oil pulse driver, it's hard for me to say. But the good news is that the Surge keeps up with the 1,800 in-lbs 2nd gen Milwaukee fuel impact.
I have it and it’s like from another world. Strong and quiet, kind of weird but nice
Great impact driver. I hope the tool arrive in México soon
hope you guys get yours soon, saludos Tomas
This is a quality review. Thank you.
Hello !
Why " Surge that is 50% quieter" ? Measured difference is 10 Db (minimum) and due to logarythmic scale it means 10 times ....
pair it with a 1.5 amp hour or 2 amp hour battery for light weight use and less fatigue
That's what I do, putting a large 5.0amp battery on it defeats the purpose of having a small light compact driver!
It would be neat if they came out with an impact wrench with the pulse and it would be neat if companies that made pneumatic impact wrenches had an oil or pulse impact wrench.
That would be great if they could while still retaining nut busting torque.
I'm hoping someone makes a 12v hydraulic driver
Tool Craze A 12 volt pulse would be pretty cool.
The length of the head of the impact guns makes a huge difference, the shorter the better. The larger than are the more they get in the way such as working in tight spaces around plumbing and other machanical work. Ridgid is longer Wich is why I will stay with Milwakiee. Rigid is Milwakiees parent company.
actually TTI is the parent company to both Ridgid and Milwaukee and also Ryobi as well
yeah it's good I want to more testing and Compare tools.
Hi there. Great video.
Question though, shouldn't a drill be used with the 1 1/4" bit. Isn't the Surge meant more fore fastening?
Thank ya
Need more videos from you brother, I know you be busy working.
I'm always on the website with new content www.toolcraze.net
you should check it out for regular content each weekday
Nicely done Javier. The two Milwaukee tools seem to be very well matched, aside from the noise of course. The Rigid is clearly a different animal as it was clearly very jerky. almost as if the sustained torque was a bit too long. Obviously the Rigid drives faster, but so would a drill driver with constant torque, and so I wonder if you would run into trouble caming out with a Phillips head being driven into some hard stuff? You won't twist your arm off, but I'm not sure I want that much vibration all day long.
Thanks bro. Actually the Ridgid has the least amount of vibration. I know it appears to be "jerky" but that's because of the much lower impacts per minute. But each pulse is much softer than the other two. I would say that out of the 3 shown in this video the Ridgid Stealth Force has the least vibration, the M18 Surge is a distant second least, vibration, and the M18 Fuel regular impact driver has more vibration than the other two but nothing out of the ordinary for an impact.
Although the M18 Surge gets a crazy amount of vibration when I pushed it to the max when it drilled using the 1-1/4" bit.
I actually get your comment a lot about the Ridgid based on what is seen but it's one of those thing you have to feel for yourself so I might have to address that it has less felt vibration in a future video when I get a chance.
The only issue the Ridgid has is that each impact or pulse pushes the screw much further than any other impact so it's something you have to get used to when driving screws and have to make sure keep up with it when you push into the screw.
Tool Craze Thanks bro, great feedback! Next time I see the Rigid on the test display I'll give it a try.
Thanks
I bought the ridgid a while back and I love it! looks really well made. I didn't see if you mentioned if this Milwaukee is brushless? thanks for your great reviews!
Nice, glad you like the stealth force. The surge is also brushless. I didn't say in words that but it's in the text shown a couple of times in the video. Milwaukee slaps the Fuel label on their cordless tools when they feature brushless motors and the latest features and performance. So if it says Fuel, it's a brushless tool.
Thanks bro.
awesome! thanks!
They also slaps brushless text back of tool at least drills and impact drivers.
Definitely a worth while tool
Thanks for the review.
Excellent review!
Thanks!
Good review javier like always, saludos!
thanks Rey, Saludos!
Pneumatic impacts can be really loud. These 1/4 electric drivers aren't bad at all
Good vid bro. That's rigid is a beast!!
GREAT review.....
Wow check out the vibration on the ridgid.
Actually the Ridgid has the least amount of vibration. I know it appears to be "jerky" but that's because of the much lower impacts per minute. But each pulse is much softer than the other two. I would say that out of the 3 shown in this video the Ridgid Stealth Force has the least vibration, the M18 Surge is a distant second least, vibration, and the M18 Fuel regular impact driver has more vibration than the other two but nothing out of the ordinary for an impact.
Although the M18 Surge gets a crazy amount of vibration when I pushed it to the max when it drilled using the 1-1/4" bit.
I actually get your comment a lot about the Ridgid based on what is seen but it's one of those thing you have to feel for yourself so I might have to address that it has less felt vibration in a future video when I get a chance.
The only issue the Ridgid has is that each impact or pulse pushes the screw much further than any other impact so it's something you have to get used to when driving screws and have to make sure keep up with it when you push into the screw.
I see. Good review like always! Hey when you get a chance maybe you can review the new Hitachi triple hammer
Very honest rev we’d
Does the battery have a bit of wiggle with this unit? I noticed that on the Surge, the battery socket rattles a bit. I looked at Home Depot's test model and saw the same.
Great review and videos to back it up. Otherwise I don think i could take Javier reviews seriously. Just looking at his workshop. First he has a Crafstman router table (hopefully a 690 motor), a Ridgid spindle sander, and finally a Ryobi drill press. Seems like he's digging in the bottom of the barrel for his tool shop. No Makita, MIlwaukee, Dewalt or Bosch. Maybe prop up an old Delta/Powermatic in the background, machine doesn't even have to work. Just to give a lil street cred. I'd compare it to a construction worker driving to the job site in a Toyota Corolla, trunk full of tools and a ladder strapped to the roof. Im sure he can get the job done just as good and the guy in the truck. Hopefully in the next episodes he get an upgrade from a special tool sponsor. "Festool, Im looking in your direction".
Thanks though not sure why you'd base my entire tool collection on three table top tools. And even if these were my only brands, you can work wonders with crappy tools. Just look at Steve Ramsey's woodworking videos. Most of his tools in his videos are what you'd call "bottom of the barrel". I also want to mention, that Ridgid oscillating sander is definitely not bottom of the barrel. More features and a larger table top than most stuff you'd find from Grizzly and Jet. As far as the router table, a router table is just a router table. I could put a "better brand" router on it but I'm sure some would still complain. I will say nobody's complained about my setup except you and those that follow me for years and seen my how to videos have seen a glimpse of my other tools part of my collection. But even if all I had was cheap tools, no biggie, my work speaks for itself. And I have a Dewalt DW625 3 HP router that you don't see that I've been itching to build a table for however just haven't had the time. As for the Ryobi drill press, sure it's by no means a tool that screams refinement but for my casual woodworking uses, it serves it's purpose. If I ever need a larger better unit I'll go out and get one but I don't need to just yet nor just to impress some guy.
Also, there's tons of people who love their Ridgid's and Craftman's and Ryobi's and swear by them. They all build quality tools within their pricepoint.
All in all I do appreciate the positive words at the outset.
He can do whatever he wants, nothing wrong with what he's doing, why don't you do your own review of tools on UA-cam.
Do you have to run the rigid like you're doing one handed push-ups? The Red one looks easier to use..
That Ridged is Kick'n ASS!!!!!
Gen 3 would kill it
I use my impact for Millwright and other Mechanical jobs. How does the Surge compare the to the regular fuel when breaking loose large bolts typically torqued to 55 to 75 ft lbs?
only one way to find out
That would be a better job for the Stealth force in my opinion.
Idk why that dude complained about your promo repost of this tool when you have a review thorough as this. Can’t satisfy some people smh
I just recently bought this impacter. The collet will not hang onto bits for loving nor money. The bits i am using are new milwaukee shockwave impactor bits...
I'm not going to waste the time sending it back to milwaukee. I'm tempted to return it and the brand new milwaukee 1/2 hammer drill to home depot and get the Makita set. I could take them to a repair shop and get a new chuck and 2 ball collett....buy why? Milwaukee dropped the ball. They allmost won the race but just like the rabbit they got cocky and laid down and took a nap feet from the finish line...and the makita turtle won the race as a result. Not happy with this...
hi, question i am lock down on two model????? milwaukee surge 18v impact and the bosch 18v idh182 impact. i just need a little help here asap thanks...
Check out my review on the Bosch model then compare :)
would be the best if haad 1000 tornque in-lbs
An impact with 1000 in-lbs sustained torque would be pretty impressive
Why are you drilling right at where the two pieces wood join together @ around 5:13?
You're wrong, it's not two pieces joined. It's a single piece of 4x6 lumber. What you see on the side is two passes with a hand held circular saw. If you ever try to do this with a circular saw by hand you'll notice the two cuts will never join up perfectly. You also should know a circular saw with a 7-1/4" blade can't cut a 4x6 or any 4x lumber in a single pass.
Foot in mouth... you are correct....@@ToolCraze
I hear all this talk about 2nd gen and 3rd gen drivers. How in the world can i tell the difference? Lets say I go to Home Depot to purchase one? Where does it say its a 2nd, 3rd gen?? Thanks
The surge doesn't have a 2nd get yet
The chuck is1/4".
Could that break a 1 1/16" rusted water-heater anode fitting free?
Bob D not even on its best day
Yeah! I tried to remove the anode manually, using a pipe on a 1/2" wrench. I figure I could pull with about 50 lbs at 2 feet. The anode didn't budge, but the water heater nudged. 100 foot pounds at 1/8" radius = 9600 pounds., probably more than the 1/4" hex stud could tolerate.
I bought a Milwaukee 2763-20 1/2" hammer. On power setting One it made interesting noises and moved nothing. On Two, it spun the anode fitting off after about one second. Yay!
What is average pay per hour on carpenters in US?
Because i have seen people saying Milwaukee tools are expensive still every tool is around 100 bucks cheaper than i have to pay for them in my country.
Mr. Wizeguy I'd have to say $20 per hour. What is it where you are?
I'm from Finland here carpenters gets around 15 - 20 euro/hour before taxes which is atm quite same if you convert that for USD.
Mr. Wizeguy the U S is a big place. Cities will get you alot more money.
I've replayed it so many times but this video seems a little rigged to me. during the first test it seems along with the Stealth Force , you were driving much of your own force with it, to a point your head appears in the frame. And the 2nd test showed Rigid had insane amounts of vibrations noticed at the battery end. Idk though, I could be wrong :D
Ah another rigged or biased comment, there's no shortage of people like you on UA-cam every time there's a comparison video. And I'm not talking about my videos, I'm talking about other channels and categories.
But anyways if you feel it was rigged, that's fine but I challenge you to test it out for yourself. Go out there and compare them side by side and see for yourself and then come back here and tell me this test was still rigged. I have full confidence that after you test them all side by side you'll eat your words.
And no, pushing harder on an impact driver won't make it drive faster. All you would be doing is adding more stress to the tool and actually make it harder to push the fastener which thus would make the tool slower.
As for the vibration on the Ridgid, I've already explained this several times in the comments for this video so no point in repeating myself. Look over the comments for the answer.
Chris Tran. Use 4 amps rigid for better results
If you haven't tried the Stealthforce you don't understand how it feels to use. It's impossible to hold it perfectly still compared to the other two. The way it hits is much different than a regular impact or even another fluid driver. But I love mine! I wonder the reason Ridgid doesn't carry them any more is because they may have been worried people wouldn't use it properly and over time hurt their wrists. You have to have a secure grip with it becasue it's trying to twist more with each hit than the other two.
did you tested or worked with tools you didn't like or they dont do what they should do?
Of course, who hasn't
nice man
👍
whats the point of a 12v vs the 18v?
i know is less torque but why or for what?
12v tools are smaller more compact and lighter. A smaller tool can get into tighter areas than a larger tool and the lower weight is easier to hold longer. You can fit more of them in your tool bag and they are also cheaper. These are they're advantages of 12V tools but at the expense of less power and runtime but for many tasks 12V has enough performance and runtime and can be a great alternative to 18V
Tool Craze Oh okay thanks that made alot of sense
Jose Rojas in a 20yr Metal Carpenter and I run my gun the better part of an 8 hour day. I prefer the smaller 12v tools because of the weight in my tool belt. My toll belt weighs close to 50 pounds already but it's just a more comfortable tools to use in my opinion and I run self tapping screws all day long. I love the Milwaukee fuel 12v
Isn't it just packed in hydro fluid to dampen the sound?
It has a different mechanism
I just got the milwaukee surge but I think mine is defective because the hex drive chuck feel so loose and noisy! Is this normal?
make a video of it and i'll let you know
Tool Craze I will thanks
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So what makes it hydraulic?
the hydraulic oil impacting mechanism is different than traditional impact mechanisms, it's all internal
Think it's worth to spend the extra few dollars for the surge ?
Depends if you need a quieter impact driver.
Tool Craze good review. I have first gen Fuel. I'm on fence between Surge or Stealth Force. Definitely want a tool quieter like surge or force. I have tools on both platforms. which one would u get if you had to pick 1?
Thanks. I'd go with the lighter more compact one- the surge. Also because it behaves more like a regular impact driver.
Tool Craze thank you
Would it be possible to take lug nuts off of cars with this?
I got it in a combo sale.
you need an impact wrench for that but many impact drivers are capable of doing this just less powerful
@@ToolCraze thanks for the reply. I realize that an impact wrench is the correct tool for this but was wondering if the 2760-20 hydraulic impact drill can get the job done on lugs. I got it in a combo kit
As I mentioned in the previous comment, many impact drivers are capable of doing this. I haven't tried this specific model for that task as impact drivers aren't the right tool for lug nuts so I can't say from experience as I use an impact wrench for my cars lug nuts. From what I understand, hydraulic impulse drivers (quiet impact drivers) have less torque than regular impact drivers but they offer longer sustained torque so who knows if this specific model can or can't but yes, there are better tools or in other words, the right tool for the job.
@@ToolCraze that's what I was worried about. The initial bite.
I'll post back when I get a chance to try it out on a lug
@@Dongsa did you ever get to try it on a lug? I just picked it up today as part of promotion.
please please please put price thank you
you obviously didn't watch the video because I explained the price for both the baretool and the kit.
Oil will leak later?
it's sealed so you shouldn't worry about it with normal use
Where have you been?
never left, you can find me every weekday at www.toolcraze.net
Cual es el mejor?
what do you think Omar?
Good review. But mist bit realise.
What is a mist bit realise? Doesn't make any sense
tool craze....im from malaysia....yr shop can shipping item to malaysia....
what makes you think I am a store and sell these myself?
Lol
I'm not really seeing a huge difference. The rigid is the most quite. I'll stick with my fuel one key impact and let customers get earplugs..
I don't see the difference but my ears do
For real its a huge difference. Its quieter then most drills even. Most of the noise is gonna come from the materials your driving into. As driving into floppy sheet metal loosly laying on something metal will either way will be stupid loud but drivng screws into softer wood: (pun not intended) its silent.
Ridgid too big
and people say ridgid aint professional tools jaja w.e ridgid and dewalt all day
all of these brands are made by the same company!
very true, also are the only ones I have on hand. If I had makita's oil pulse driver it would have been included in the comparison
There not that loud. To say there too loud is a bit over board
Says the guy who's never used them indoors
@@ToolCraze im an industrial technician. Most work is indoors. Some places are really loud and some not so. Loud is a pneumatic impact. These electric tools are just not that bad. Our definition of loud
tools is definitely debatable
You yourself said: "Most work is indoors. Some places are really loud" so you are agreeing they can be too loud indoors yet you still try to argue and say otherwise. Doesn't make any sense.
If you feel that quieter hydraulic impacts are not necessary, that's totally fine. Don't buy them and stick to the regular impacts. Simple as that.
The name Milwaukee "surge" is equally stupid. What you think power rangers "surge" sound any better??
stealth force and quiet strike sound lame to me, surge isn't as lame. But at the end of the day you're just arguing about names, the real question is what do you think of the tool and how it performs? Silly names don't change that
'surge' is kinda cringy
Y'all must've never drinked Surge. It was good
@@roberte362 I liked surge soda back in the day. Do they still make it?
If it's to loud, they are too old
Nah, the Surge is made for ladies. If you want the real jobs done, get the gen3 or gen4
So definitely rigged its better than Milwaukee
Have you seen my video on the gen 3 Fuel impact driver?
they are called ear muffs. $50 for a good quality one. this hydraulic stuff is a gimick
do you use ear muffs when you use your drill?
Tool Craze the point is, if they end up charging you more than 50 dollars for the hydraulic mechansim it isnt worth it. chances are when your running am impact driver you also have other loud tools too.
the surge is only $20 more versus their standard M18 fuel impact driver
Riza Khan obviously its not a gimmick the tidgid blew the Milwaukee out if the water on all test
I do a lot of work where I'm working around other people. Even if it was a $50 upcharge, it's still cheaper than buying everyone else in the space earmuffs. ;)