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Are the Night Troopers Really an Undead Army?
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2023
- Grand Admiral Thrawn is in control of an interesting group of stormtroopers referred to as Night Troopers. What's their deal? Many fans think they could be dead soldiers reanimated through Nightsister magick. Is that actually possible? Here are my thoughts!
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Personally, I think it would be interesting if they were just warded by Nightsister magic. Maybe force resistant or simply more resilient.
I like the idea of resilience. Perhaps the red bands are imbued with that ability, but the armor still gets damaged and they repair it with kintsugi.
Why would they need to be force resistant though...
@ICU1337 Thrawn was defeated by a Jedi, a Jedi who is still on the planet. Imagine trying to force push or mind trick a trooper, and it just doesn't work - or at least isn't as effective.
Plus, it would call back to the ysalamir Thrawn used in Legends without completely cutting them off from the force.
@@ICU1337 ... not to mention Ezra's new chainmail is literally made of Stormtrooper dog tags.
I hope that Thrawn's army are actually battle hardened after years in a galaxy far far away and they are a lot more dangerous than even the First Order.
Before people started talking about the stormtroopers being undead, I simply thought Thrawn might have started conscripting natives, and their culture had influenced the veteran troopers. I hope that's the case, but I suspect the undead will figure into Thrawn's and the Great Mothers' plans at some point.
I think Thrawn's troopers act perfectly reasonable given their circumstances. They were basically shipwrecked in a different galaxy, taken from their families, friends, and all they had ever known. Thrawn led these people for nine years, ensuring their survival even while they lost comrades to whatever strange people and creatures they may have encountered over all these years. I'd be more surprised if they weren't battle hardened Thrawn fanatics - he's their savior and leading them back home. So I honestly hope Filoni isn't just giving Thrawn a whole zombie army, not just because it doesn't suit him, but because it takes away the very human element of the entire situation those Imperial have gone through.
Temper your expectations. At the end of the day, they can still go down like everyone else.
Sounds to interesting to be true
Battle-hardened after 10 years in exile? That is rather counterintuitive.
I think the ones we saw are still alive and are just loyal fanatics to Thrawn. However, I do think it’s entirely possible that they were loading the bodies of his men who died during their exile and those ones will be reanimated.
My worry here is that it doesn't really feel like something Thrawn would do. He's always been more of a military kinda villain, and a bit less magic/mystical focused to me personally.
On the other hand though, if he was defeated 10 years ago by someone using the force, so maybe in those years he's used the time to become knowledgeable in the paranormal and supernatural
The Chimera is a wreck, no one in the Imperial Remnant respects or wants to follow him yet, there are probably no volunteers to be found to man the ship, and Thrawn needs all the help he can get.
Is a desperate Thrawn turning to force zombies really that out there?
Imagine if, over the course of his exile, Thrawn's forces were depleted to almost the last man (the Purrgil weren't gentle on the Star Destroyer, and it's evident Thrawn's been fighting somebody out there). If the Great Mothers offered a way to replenish his forces, AND he got the chance to study a new power up close and personal, I think he might have taken that deal. It's practical -- and educational!
I hope it's not true for basically the same reason. The thing is, if Thrawn's troops are undead revived by the Nightsisters, then the Nightsisters basically hold all the power in spite of them acting all subservient in episode 6. They can withdraw their magick and Thrawn's forces immediately return to being dead. Being absolutely reliant on the Force, especially wielded by outsiders, is not something Thrawn would ever allow - though I agree that working with the Nightsisters and trying to understand the Force abilities that defeated him makes sense if their goals align to some extent. He should have contingencies againt them in mind though.
He’s worked with a deranged fallen Jedi and had a lizard that somehow makes the force null in legends. Wouldn’t put something like night sister magic past him. Especially when he’s desperate to get out of that region.
@@imperialistopinions2276If there are no other options, would Thrawn just give up and play hermit in a distant galaxy until he dies? Which is more like the character, typically; that, or being adaptable to a situation?
I think it's still very possible Thrawn's forces are mostly still 'human', but that the witches will reanimate whoever's inside those caskets - be they sisters, or fallen troopers.
One thing just came to mind. Thrawn's ship housed the remains of Lothal's Jedi Temple, which the Emperor tried to tempt Ezra with. I wonder if that will factor into any of this?
*"Responsible Speculations"*
See, I can get behind that. Some of these other channels just be throwing out the most nonsensical theories just in the name of "content" for monetization🙄
I like your concept of 'responsible speculation'. Lots of people out there, including others on YT, speculate wildly without any thought of being responsible about it. Thanks for the disclaimer and thanks for keeping it in check!
Yeah I was getting annoyed with all the wild speculation that the Peridea galaxy was going to have massively different physics and force rules. They were thinking about it with the rules of hard sci fi and forgot Star Wars is space opera.
@@mighthealseriously though... People were acting like this is _The Expanse_ or something🤦🏽♂
there was one UA-camr who was claiming that the new galaxy was going to be a soft reset on the sequel era star wars. start fresh in the new galaxy, and leave the original galaxy and characters to pass into memory.
@@kotor610 they gotta get their clickbait views in
Just like they always speculate about this "Disney is losing money"-BS.
If the Nighttroopers are actually zombies, I hope Captain Enoch is still a living person. He does seem to have more sentience and intelligence than the rest of them, and I don't recall him chanting Thrawn's name earlier in the episode
I think he's also an undead. His helmet is far too different from the other night troopers.
It's theorized that his face was blown up which is why his helmet is different than the other troopers. Replace with a face platting.
They all are undead especially the death troopers.
Where are the other Night Sisters? Are the three Great Mothers the only Night Sisters left alive on the planet?
I suspect the coffin-like containers probably contain the “missing” Night Sisters being held in some sort of stasis.
That is an interesting thought. I also wonder how old the great mothers are. I was thinking they are hundreds, if not maybe a few thousand years old like Huyang. Though Huyang is almost definitely older with many thousands of years under his belt.
We know that Merrin is still alive. But there could be other Night Sisters hiding out there in the world. Their homeworld isn’t just Dathomir. They tend to be a rare group of people like Kamimioans & Mandalorians.
If it’s a correct speculation that would be surprising seeing the night sister magic be able to reanimate the dead perfectly. With undead night sisters they weren’t capable of using weapons or perform speech.
If the Night troopers are really reanimated, I guess the question is what happened to all of Thrawn’s troopers while in Peridea? Did his army dwindle fighting the bandits on the planet? Maybe a plague? So many questions.
Well it appears ezra bridger chainmail he is wearing was created from imperial dogtags
Maybe they got hungry? The Ewoks seemed to enjoy the BBQ.
thrawn didn't say "our numbers have dwindled...but they're zombies now so they haven't really dwindled," after all
I think that Zombie Troopers is a fun riff on the cloned troops that Thrawn used to bolster his army in the original books.
When we first see the nighsister mothers they're holding spheres and the beams connect together creating a triangle. Maybe thats a reference to the sigil of baphome and black arts. Maybe thats hinting at necromancy or something.
Maul wasn't dead when he went to Dathomir and got the green treatment. Maybe they are just imbued with "dark magick" but not actual zombies, like him.
I think it’s possible but it’s also equally possible that they are alive and just have had to mend their armor as they can.
The caskets are probably zombies though
I think the Night Troopers' name is accepted to honor the Nightsisters who aided Thrawn and the Chimaera crew in surviving Peridea. Plus, the Night Troopers are fanatically loyal to Thrawn and his ideology that a strong Empire is needed to protect all life in the Galaxy from unknown threats.
I think it will happen since Marrock was like an introduction.
I think they are undead, because if not, what would be the point of Marrok? It's like Chekhov's gun, in the first act you hang the gun on the wall, and in the next act it has to go off. If they showed Marrok revived by the Nightsisters, it was only to give them a whole army of zombies
The night troopers and undead army could be separate things though, and in fact it makes far more sense that way since the "cargo" being loaded appeared to be caskets.
@@Candlemancer
*Night Mothers* - We'll revive your army and repair your ship and give you a way back to your galaxy
*Thrawn* - Sounds great... Whats the catch🤨
*Night Mothers* - Take us back with you and we got some "stuff" we want to bring back along for the ride🧙🏽♀🧙🏽♀🧙🏽♀
So... Its quite possible for the Night Troopers to be undead and the caskets to be their own separate thing unrelated to Thrawns schemes and plans.
Yeah, thinking purely practical for this being a series, I could very well see them reincorporating "oh so the night troopers are just like marrok"
I want them to take on the blackwing project
Black wing is technically canon thanks to Star Wars commander.
I want them to do an actual spin off horror movie for it that would be so sick
Just a thought; what if the second use of the Great Mother's magic Thrawn is referring to is to reanimate the Purrgil corpses in orbit?? 😳
First question is why did all the troopers die? What happened to the officers? So Thrawn's entire crew was killed and he came out unscathed? Just doesn't add up.
It's been 10 years and considering how easily Stormtroopers die it's just simple math that most of Thrawn's troops are dead. Most of the officers would be doing there job and are not needed for parade duty only the head of the Stormtroopers needs to be around.
It may be a case where they were slowly whittled down and when it became clear there wasn't going to be a quick and decisive victory for Thrawn, he turned to the Night Sisters and they started re-animating his troop as they fell, and so now they're almost entirely undead. That seems like the most logical chain of events to me.
Some might’ve died on the trip there while others could’ve been killed by the unknown plants and creatures in these regions.
@@Mulceber In the last episode when the troopers were shot and fell to their death they did not reanimate or turn in to puffs of green smoke. I think the bodies in the caskets they are transferring are the ones the NIght Sisters are turning into a zombie army.
I too think that the stormtroopers we saw are undead/reanimated stormtroopers (only exception being Enoch) but the rest of Chimera's crew and Thrawn's officer staff are still living, breathing humans.
I got more Apocalypse Now than Night of the Living Dead vibes. And I’d rather Thrawn be a threat because of his superior strategy, not because his army is literally unkillable. However, the evidence is compelling enough that I would not be let down if this turns out to be the case.
Altered or undead hmm that is a question. Just noticed that not only do we have ties in the hanger but gunships too.
I think Ezra and the Noti have been picking off Thrawn's troops, hence 1. Ezra's dog tag chain mail and 2. Thrawn mentioning his numbers have dwindled.
The empire also previously experimented with a bio weapon that made zombies. Although for all i know that book isnt considered cannon just thought it worth a mention.
Not; "Zombies."
Whatever was going on with Marrok. Green dust. (Or smoke, or whatever.)
That. 👍
Not Zombies.
(That's what I'm thinking.)
I think an undead army would be a great new threat. How would these dead creatures affect or be affected by the force if they are not living? Will be fun to explore.
I mean you can still move non-living things with the force. In fact they’re probably lighter.
I mean if Clone Wars and Fallen Order is anything to go by they are still they are still affected by the Force
I’d like to think it’s a mix of living and dead because how the hell did they fly tie fighters while being dead just doesn’t make sense and they all seem to move fine
1:27 look on the arm of Marok after the smoke begin to move! Looks like it loses the skina, and only the bones are left
Somethings I think that might point against it is that, despite there being TIE fighters, there’s no TIE pilots which I would think he would want to bring back. Looking it up, a Imperial-I Star Destroyer can house 9,700 Stormtroooers, though it’s hard to see how many there are exactly. It’s also hard to tell if the officers would be dead or alive as someone has to be flying the Chimaera
Well after Episode VII confirmed not zombies. Dust didn't spew out of the gunship soldiers when they died by Phoenix Squadron
They clearly still couldn't aim lol
Commander Mayday and his troops spent about a year in an outpost and needed to keep armor together with fabric.
Somethings up with them definitely. The way they move feels a bit off. Especially how that one just stares at Sabine's howler in the face and bobs his head a little.
One of Thrawn's key character traits is that he respects and values his subordinates, inspiring genuine loyalty and excellence from them in return. If the personnel aboard the Chimaera are undead, it negates one of the most important qualities that makes Thrawn a uniquely dangerous and threatening Imperial commander. That, coupled with the likelihood that we won't get a coherent enough space battle to display any of his naval genius (fingers crossed we do, but that snubfighter battle we got earlier was pretty sloppy), threatens to let the series fail to present Thrawn as anything other than a generic Imperial using the power of the dark side to get their edge, squandering his character entirely. Might as well just keep using Gideon in that case, or Hux, or any of the others.
I believe it’s a culture that Thrawn has cultivated for his troops over the years to keep them loyal
I'm certainly not dismissing the possibility they're zombies, but I've also been thinking they might just be enhanced, like you pointed out the did to Savage Opress. Maybe not force-sensitive, but stronger, faster, better.
that is my guess as well
Biggest clue they're zombies - where are the other Imperial Officers like the ship's captain and first officer?
Where are the regular crew in the light grey jumpsuits that make up the majority of the ship's complement?
that would be cool also all of his troopers wereent with also surprised to no Tie Pilot Nighttrooper variant
I can't imagine that everyone under Thrawn's command is a zombie. Why would absolutely everyone die except for Thrawn himself? Even if there were some kind of slow-acting atmospheric poison that doesn't affect Chiss, then how did Ezra survive?
Everyone was wrong about marrak and so was I. That's why I don't believe there undead also I never believed in that idead, I just assumed that after a while thrawn allowed customized armor
I hope they to be normal humans i love the style of yhe armor and i wanna believe they are just normal soldiers with an amazing style than a zombie army that also happens to behave like living beings
The name Night Troopers sounds ominous. It sounds like an army of deceased storm troopers that have somehow been re-animated back to some form of life.
What is most scary about the Night Troopers is their leader, Enoch. He seems like he is positioned fulfill the role of Rukh in Legends.
Heres another question, where are the pilots, officers and Thrawns personal death trooper gaurds? Are they the ones in the "boxes"?
The caskets would be the dead of the Nightsisters and not be dead Imperials considering it would take 3 days to empty the catacombs it wouldn't make sense if it were Imperials.
I’d imagine that’s not all of Thrawn’s forces definitely a crew have to be in the bridge right?
@@mightheal thats true 🤦♀
I don't want them to be zombies. To me, it's much more cool if they're just incredibly loyal to Thrawn. His small elite army of survivors that created this warrior-like culture. We haven't seen any non-stormtroopers amidst their remnant. This and the fact that every set of armor has seen some violence tells me that every last pilot, gunner, and technician became part of the stormtrooper corp - who are in canon more than a simple trained soldiers.
If it was done right i think it could be cool. It would make sense for the reasons u listed. It also fits with the deep chants of "Thrawn" and the organs in the episode
Well, this didn't plan out yet
It may be nothing, but I am still wondering if we will see Marrok again. In the opening credits his helmet is bathed in blue light - much like Sabine's was lit with red light indicating she would turn against Ahsoka to find Ezra. He clearly had a night sister spell on him when Ahsoka stopped him - but could the blue light indicate he will return to help her?
I personally hope they're not undead. I like the characters in the books and would like to see them in this show.
They wouldn't be called Night Troopers if they weren't undead and it will be interesting to see how the living Force deals with them!
I think it's a good bet some of them are reanimated. I also think the odds are high that the cargo from the catacombs is going to be reanimated soon. 😱
We need a flashback with thrawn and Ezra arriving to the new galaxy
I say no. We see from Clone Wars and Fallen Order that Nightsister-created zombies are feral unless they're being actively controlled.
So far the series has been great, and I'm sure whatever Filoni decides to do with it will work well, but I really hope they aren't zombies. That just seems really dumb to me.
Trust me, star wars canon and legends have both had dumb things happen. But that’s what it makes it interesting because Star Wars is not just one genre.
It would be cool to see, plus both Marrok and Enoch have this weird raspy voice. Thought it might be due to the helmet, but what if that's due to the magick?
Is there only 3 Night Sisters left on Peridia? We've only seen the 3 Great Mothers.
For the zombie!!!
Thank you for introducting us to Japanese culture. I probably think not "kinsugi", accurately "kintsugi".By the way, when written in kanji, it becomes"金継ぎ(kintsugi)".
Bring on the weird!
I bet strength and resilience. The red chords might be tailsmen to make them stronger, but not undead. I think the gold might be material they had during their exile, and maybe Enoch started it with his mask. Enoch thinks of the Roman Empire every day
I'd prefer them to be alive and just battle hardened and loyal to thrawn. Then maybe whatever they ate taking from the catacombs is the army that will be raised from the dead. Feel like it's not as inteesting to hear thrawn just let all his men die.
Thank you for this video.
If they are undead then the ahsoka series is about to get darker.
I think the Bandits have a role to play here too. Since they didn't just fight Baylan and Shin like with Sabine.
Maybe those Bandits were waiting for them?
Maybe it's Maybelline Sabine!
Well... Add Zombie Troopers to my Zombie Bingo...
I don't see how they could be anything else _BUT_ the undead. There's simply far too much evidence and too many plot hints that they are. And I love the fact that they are expanding live-action Star Wars with all this dark magic weirdness, subtle changes to the idea of the Force, who can be a Jedi, etc. If this franchise is gonna keep going, they can't keep doing the same things over and over.
It looks like even Thrawn couldn't hide from the cartoon rodent forever.
I generally think that some of the troopers are undead and some are alive. Like many people said, Thrawn said that the army is dwindling. Which is fairly reasonable since hiring new ones is impossible because the imperial is basically in a state of falling apart. Since Thrawn was defeated only because Ezra decided to use mystical magic stuff. It's safe to say that he learned from his mistakes and used new strategies involving magic and witchcraft from the sisters by reviving his dead soldiers to continue serving the empire.
The red ribbon wrapped around them also has the connotation of the Jewish practice of wearing tefillin.
Their use has many beliefs surrounding it which could coincide with what they're trying to convey.
I wouldn’t like the zombie idea, I really hope that these are just loyalist to Thrawn and are extremely deadly having been exiled for a decade, that’s much more interesting to me than zombies.
I honestly find that idea much more boring than Zombies
@@nobleskywalker4639 to each their own, I mean zombies are interesting to a degree, I just like the idea that they are all battle hardened and practically a cult, like Thrawns a desperate cultist
Nightsister magic… undead stuff and a pugill graveyard??
Please, rise me some zombie purgills!
There is also no imperial officers shown in that episode, not one
If they were in fact reanimated- zombies, I would think Baylan Skoll would have sensed it immediately. It would make sense if they were however.
Thrawn has always cherished his crew and troops. I couldn't imagine him wasting his troops for naught. I'm hoping his troops are more warded or protected by the Great Mothers rather than be an army of undead, however I wouldn't be against it!
I wonder if those witches made that gold from alchemy
Why not? Zombies exist in legends and in Disney Canon? It's not out of the realm of possibility
I think Marrok was deliberately introduced to prepare us for what the Night Troopers are.
With the fitting name of Project Necromancer perhaps they brought Palpatine back with a combination of cloning and Night Sisters magic
I'd rather not. I don't think Thrawn's creepfactor needs amplifying.
Are this the troopers from thrawn ship that got stuck in the harbor
Undead Purgill army please
Welp guess we where all right at first they where not zombies then they turned into zombies
I don't think they are. I think it is more likely that some dead night sisters will be brought back to life
My friend, a fan of armor said "They are definitely dead. Armor doesn't break like that without the person wearing it also dying. If you get hit so hard your armor breaks into that many pieces, then your body suffered a lot of damage as well"
Unless, of course, they picked up the armor of dead soldiers. But given that all stormtroopers have their own to begin with, it makes no sense for them to replace their unbroken one with a broken one. This would be more likely if the stormtroopers are natives to the planet or guerrilla forces lacking armor and stealing what they can.
ive get the feeling they are simula to marrok
Night troopers are the troopers that purrgiil took went they Ezra and thrawn to the new galaxy
Thrawn never lets Enoch have dessert so he is dead inside with a permanent frown. ☹️☹️☹️☹️ Enoch want cookie now 😥☹️☹️
This could be a way to recycle Legend's Thrawn plot: a major part of the problems he faced in his original trilogy was that he had too many excellent troopers (clones in that instance) and not enough ships to transport them
Anyone else notice some of the troopers swaying when they were in formation?
In Legends Thrawn was creating a new clone army to take over the galaxy. Now he is creating a zombie army
Their captain is named Enoch.
Enoch in the bible is the man who did not die. Why would he be named like that unless everyone else was dead (undead).
There's something definitely weird about the 'Night Troopers'. Why have we seen no officers aboard the Chimera? Apart from Enoch, where is the rest of Thrawn's chain of command? I'm thinking that Thrawn and the Great Mothers have entered into some sort of diabolical deal that has resulted in all of the humans aboard the Chimera being turned into zombies. I hope I'm wrong...
Ill be abundantly scared for the rest of my life when a Kuchisake-onna/Abeloth/Unicron is heralded by the Nightsisters. She asks the galaxies is she pretty, then eats it when it is unable to answer
I'm good with the zombie speculation, but the questions it raises are particularly interesting. If they're all zombies, what happened to them? How did their numbers dwindle? Why does Ezra look just fine moving around with his ninja turtle community but Thrawn and his platoon of dead bodies seem so broken and lost - and eager to get the hell off that planet?
Hopefully then lightsabers can cut them in half with no remorse like battle droids
I don't think a zombie army would fit thrawn's command, as cool as it could be it would make more sense to have a legion of fanatical stromtroopers at his command who maybe have some sort of undying love for their commander as we hear them chanting. but Filoni knows whatb he is doing so I have faith he's done the right thing regardless
lol those zombie troopers theories aged well lol......... they are normal human after :)
indeed they age well
I think anything that's wrapped in those red nightsister bandages should be assumed to be dead.
The empire of the dead is becoming a reality
I don't want them to be zombies, It will lessen the impact of the scene of them chanting Thrawn's name. It would be much more cooler for Thrawn to have earned their fanaticism instead of it being "programmed" in them during reanimation. Isolation for a decade can do that for a group of people.
Where is general paploo and logray?