When they advertise 5,000 or 10,000 nits, it would be helpful if they make it clear if this is a 3% or 10% window and what the brightness would be full screen.
The new mini leds can even support 10.000nits full screen. Vincent shared a preview once, the video was super dark and he was barely visible as the screen was crazy bright. Sunny day outside is still more like 150.000 nits
No. It's not easily affordable for everyone. That's the whole point. You can say.. "but I want a big TV too"... Yeah.. And I want a Ferrari, but guess what? Not everything needs to be cheap, so the masses can afford it too.
In 1997, the first commercially available flat-screen TV, a 42-inch plasma display from Panasonic, cost around $15,000. If enough "rich folks" buy these price will come down. Yeah right...
Very interesting report on the Hisense RGB-Mini LED. Interesting technical details, a few of them trickling down to lower model series. The beanie truly enhance your branding competitiveness! ; )
Just trying to get an answer (asked Caleb), but isn't this like what Sony did in 2008 with their LED RGB backlight for the XBR8? That was only regular LCD/LED and regular HD not UHD, but the same principal right? People are talking like this is something completely new?
Yeah but this is at miniled level, and with massively higher count of local dimming zones, which according to Linus Techtips is only achievable now due to the improvement of chip processing power capable of calculating colors and luminance levels for each led at that scale.
@@anhhct Sure, but that's all secondary/beside the point I was making. This is being pushed as a breakthrough. Those things you mentioned are great, absolutely. But I'm talking the idea/design being done *almost 2 decades ago* (it was an incredible set btw). Which is an eternity in tech. The supercharging is secondary. Again, a ton of crowing and people thinking it's new when it's the same principle, Even it being Mini-LED is the same principle as LED backlighting. Just smaller/higher count. And I'd bloody hope so, decades later! Do you get what I'm saying now? Sorry if I was a bit unclear last time. Did Linus bother to acknowledge it either?
@@halfvader8015 Sony called it Triluminos LED.. it was super expensive and the real problem in 2008 was that you could get a 50 and 60 inch Kuro for less money then that Sony. Sony quickly buried this technology. However I think the technology was different. It was a LED with RGB particle coating. It was not an LED system with RGB LEDs that could change the color.
A lot of companies do this, actually. They come up with a "proof of concept" design and build a few in low quantities and then never find a way to make the technology economically viable for the mass market consumer. Just because a company can make something, does not mean that they can make it affordable enough to be able to sell profitably.
Your hint at the end about the other brand using the new 4-stack/Tandem Primary RGB WOLED makes me think it was in that 83S95F demo unit. That would be the best way to assure there isn’t a huge falloff from the 77S95F to the 83” I also have a feeling Sony will be using these 4-stack panels instead of QD-OLED this year.
@ ooooh. Yeah that would be awesome. In Bryan’s tech therapy channel he said he was convinced that it was a QD Oled before they confirmed it wasn’t. Maybe it’s something like the tandem panel actually
It will not be $3000… but maybe only $20000 at 2030. It would be allready 33% improvement in price… The reality most likely is that it will be $28000 instead.
Hopefully it will sort out the Audio Delay. I've had 2 TCL's now(mini LED and QD mini), and both had Audio delay. Both have highest delay setting to -50(to speed up audio). No where near enough. No matter how many settings I turn off its still noticeable.
Buy an AVR or soundbar. I'm now routing my Apple TV 4K and PC both through a Samsung Q990D soundbar (HDMI 2.1) and got rid of all audio delay issues. The problem is a poor eArc lip-sync spec. Samsung has the same issue
@@swervobandz3932 soap opera effect is never an issue . Its preference . Just like if someone tells us -- REAL Italian pizza 🍕 only has pepperoni n cheese . No green pepper 🫑on pepperoni , no pinapple no ham . Your Chicago deep dish pizza or pizza 🍕 Hut cheese filled rolls r shi… “ The Hisense can get rid of soap 🧼 Opra just by ADDING jitter in same setting (it’s out of box at 5 , just bring it to 3-4 if ppl want it funny shaky looking ) I want butter smooth :) That -- movie standard , or this n that old school cinematic standard it has serve some ppl’s time . But not to UA-cam / documentary / cartoon / sports 🏀 level of color n vibrancy :) Those UA-cam 4k 8k drone . 4k walk … we want smooth rich Color :)
Jump at it !!! If it gets Close ! I have preview 85” UX . I am wow by it eveyday ! I have seen what QD-OLED , G3 G4 yearly look like , since I live 1 min drive from BestBuy. (I usually just walk ) I can recall ever model ever year . Lol It’s NOT bright at all . 😮 for a LOT of image it Dims d mid color more , instead of boost the peak brightness! So things are more of 3D ! I think the brightness 🔆 n high local dimming ! Makes AI 🤖- no longer to over boost peak / Surpuding shades . Kinda like 400hp car 🚗 on highway 🛣️ still much smooth at exact same speed than 120hl VW Jetta going full tilt ! There so many dimming zones , it can choose to just blindly blast the appeariate shade of Grey/pale … no need for UP scaling or Guess how much to brighten, or Darken -- cause fuzz .
@ hey 👋🏻 thx ! 🙏🏼 yes :) it’s U8K U8N U76n those are gorgeous ! I meant the Flagahip UX tv are worth it at $5000 at 💯 “ The guy made the comment he wanted the UX level tv at 100” for $5000
It is a long wait… maybe $20000 at 2030… Maybe $18000 2040 Maybe $15000 2050… Big is big and mini led is mini led.. the price will not go down a lot. It will drop a lot first and after that it will remain mostly same!
This is usually because it's easier to make these things bigger because the size of the new stuff is physically larger. When everything gets smaller (more dense) it has to be refined more to get good yields from the factory
They already have good enough models that fulfill that segment. I think they are trying to go after people in the high end projector/home theater market. the type of people who would have spent 10-20k on a high end projector. For people in that space, even 98-100inches is not special. Also this massive sizes is also how they justify what is basically new car prices.
I mean try to shrink cutting her stuff ever further, it is the reason with micro LED panel are so so so bad in pixel density (well one of the reason). Also this is CES, floor space is very expensive and so you bring your best suit and flagship. And third this is cutting edge tech, it always going to be expensive and outside of normal people market, but for the super wealthy that would buy a cutting edge 100+ inch tv well going a couple of grand further isn't a deal break. So yeah they have all the incentive to show the big one first and try to bring the tech down as it mature
That's not how you grab headlines though and get millions of dollars worth of free media coverage for your company. You have to go incredibly big or no one will pay attention.
Imagine if they got that RGB backlight matrix resolution up from the current 0.010p resolution (10K RGB LED's is what it looks to have) to at least 120p and eventually 240p, making it an almost 1:1 (well not quite as it would have to match the panel resolution for that) modulation method like dual-cell LCD, I think they should use a 240p DV-RGB UV-LED (Direct-View Ultraviolet RGB-LED) with 7680Hz (typical refresh of DVLED), imagine how good the motion-resolution and scanout speed would be with that, and the contrast and colours with RGBUV-LED would be insane, 7680Hz rolling-scan would be simply stunning, and enough to resolve at least 12K on motion-resolution with a super silk smooth scanout rate, and that 240p DV-LED modulation panel with RGBUV-LED's would make for incredible contrast, super inky blacks and high-colour-volume, with incredibly vibrant SDR or HDR highlights, even SDR would look incredible, UV would really help with greyscale, shadow detail, get really good quality for the dark colours, if you have ever seen these black light displays, you can see just how vibrant a UV equipped display could be, especially if you had a top-layer that reacts to the UV light, what would quantum dot treated tiped RGBUV LED's look like for instance, the UV passing through the QD treatment on the LED's could resolve otherworldly levels of colour output, and completely spank OLED.
Thanks for the price and available info. I will keep my 110UX since the 100UX won't be available in the US and the 116UX will be $30k and is borderline too big for my room.
Most likely it's a computational bottleneck. More computing power allows for more dimming zones and rgb dimming zones to be. Viable while retaining acceptable latency
As @Gekko12482, it's a computational bottleneck. The 3 smaller LEDs that make up the backlights need to have their color calculated to match whatever the pixel they're illuminating is colored. So the chip needs to do 2 color calculations: 1 is pull from the data stream what the color for the LCD portion is, and then 2, calculate the RGB LED colors. And now the chips with enough speed are cheap enough that a manufacturer is willing to throw them into a set. Note that it's been possible to do this years ago, but the chips to do it were high power consumption and high cost, plus you needed to the price of high-speed microLED controllers to come down too. So while true microLED is still very expensive due to the still niche electronics in them, this design represents kind of the sweet spot in current tech.
Hisense have come a long way in the last few years. Last week January sales I bought a black Hisense fridge freezer. Only £350 but essential features like in the bigger more expensive brands. Total no defrost, multi airflow systems in both the fridge and freezer compartments to eliminate any frost from ever building up. And in the next month or so I'm going to buy a black Hisense electric induction hob cooker. Plus Black Hisense washer dryer. Television though I will buy a Panasonic OLED as I am a big movie fan. Over 500 blu ray films, over 250 dvd films, over 100 4k blu ray films 🎬
When they come out with an affordable 55" Hisense model, get back with me alright? 30k usd is 30x too much for me... The display tech definitely sounds appealing.
Some people are complaining about manufacturers focusing on building 115" TVs instead of 70-80-90". Well, the same thing was said 10 years ago when people complained why those same manufacturers were focused on showcasing 70-90". Where are we today? 85" is the new norm.
Hopefully by the time I'm ready to Upgrade my TV, These TVs will be ready and tested and sized down with reasonable prices. My next TV will definitely be a Micro LED or RGB MiniLED.
@ there’s plenty. Just point the camera up towards the sky at night time; star fields are the toughest content for non oled panels There’s also subtitles as well will always have blooming (up until zone = pixel)
@@chibbyylol ah the classic starfield example of OLED fans. Not everyone watch space movies all the time and not even space movies show the starfield all the time. Your OLED will shine when watching a demo, I will give you that
@@chibbyylol subtitles are not that tiny, I would say when dimming zone resolution = 1/16 of 4K it would be enough to eliminate blooming in subtitles. That would be 960x540 = 518400 zones
OLED will always win the market for smaller TV's there is no arguing that imo. However if you want to go bigger than 65" which a lot of people are doing now days, you kind of have to go for mini-led if don't want to destroy your bank balance.
I just pray that Hisense has the processing expertise to make the most out of the UX and the new RGB backlighting tech. I already have a feeling it will be a no-go for gamers who want the best PQ, without sacrificing PQ. I feel like Sony will be the next to adopt this technology, and implement it even better. Tho what do I know, I’m just speaking into the void really… Regardless, this TV has me the most hyped out of all the TV’s announced. I have a sneaking suspicion that the hype might fizzle out a bit, once the TV is put thru the paces.
SONY doesn’t have d best LED technology for years . They revert to alternative LED , since Samsung / Hisense have then TECH pattern for warm tone LED. Sony LEDs r blue / Magenta . Very pestle
Nanasys is about to after microLED with UV LED backlight. It's good to see healthy competition like this. Anyway it seems that Sony is right all along about OLED.
LCD = long response times = ghosting = no granted that is if we ignore blooming because theoretically we can use a black and white oled at the same resolution behind the LCD panel to achieve that but that would be stupid
@@Yoga_Tv_buying 'they" can it's just very stupid and uneconomical just make an oled at this point why bother figuring out a white OLED just to stick it behind an LCD
@ i understand. The thing is if OLED could beat LED already . They could have done that ! -- in Science school 🏫 in Canada 🇨🇦 they teach how LED above OLED once teach 3 critical points like Vincent advices
I work in a repair facility and we see more Hisense TV's needing repairs in their first year of purchase than any other brand on the market. Their quality control is absolutely abysmal.
Why can’t they focus on making 120” tvs that are more affordable than a car? All tvs in standard sizing 40-80” need to be half off all year since it’s old news already.
bonjour tellement dommage que cette thecno soient uniquement sur le 116 ux😢 si hisense sortent le rgb mini led sur pratiquement toutes leurs gammes la oui c'est une revolution
Not possible to make… or it needs to be 1080p at 55”… The problem is that they can not make smaller leds… so they have to make these big! Or reduce resultion a lot! Maybe 720p 55” could be actually closer!
@@halfvader8015 Acktually ☝️🤓 it will be white, backlight dont change color, its the subpixel that manipulates the color. All the RGB does is enable 97% of rec2020
@@ameserich Actually he's right it should lead to more coloured blooming instead of one colour back-light (blue (VA panels) or white (IPS/ADS panels)) blooming like now. Which should be better at hiding blooming since it will be the same colour as the bright object it's trying to light up. So it could get objects brighter without noticeable bloom. But temper expectations as the back-light blooming across every TV manufacturers more premium TVs seems minimal nowadays. I did hear the white bloom is preferable over the blueish/purplish but I have heard the opposite too. I find the blueish bloom on my 43QN90B is fine. It's almost like there is no bloom. I compared it to my OLED phone and saw the same purplish looking bloom below and around the white end credits, so sometimes if you see that it's not actually bloom. As even OLEDs show that. Has anyone made a QD MiniLED LCD VA panel TV with a white back-light? I think it was Classy Tech who mentioned that the white back-light is best for more natural less noticeable blooming, but you normally only get them on a lower contrast IPS/ADS panel LCD FALD TV.
If 50 is too big, have you considered looking at computer monitors? A quick look showed me that Asus has a 38" 4k monitor, and I'm sure there are others. And honestly, the performance of the 4k firestick max is miles above any built in tv OS I've used for streaming content.
I am curious because Samsung's new 3rd Generation QD-OLED looks really good, looks better with the new "blue" colouring. I think it'll look better though. In my opinion, for my use, LG isn't #1 for the first time with OLED.
this technology is great and im excited for it but isnt it what micro led promises ? i think micro led is the real future and its closer then we think i think in two years eg in 2027 we will have affordable micro led tvs.
Vincent ! I had 🟦🟥🟩🟨 4 base color Sharp Aquos Quatrun before ! N ppl kept being Blown Away!!! N kept think why SONY LG just blur n pestle ! This RGB back light 💡 color r going to flip ppl’s perception !!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
this would be really exciting on a smaller more affordable model but at $30K for a 116" it kinda feels like this tech might not be very scallabe, then again both samsung and LG keep ignoring the below 55" sizes with equipping their latest OLED tech for the last 3 years now lol
I thought maybe it will actually mask the blooming better since the bloom will match the colour of the object being lit up very closely. Or would it make it more noticeable for certain colours? Since a bright red flower from one of those S&M demos, the new RGB back-light would make use of the red sub-pixel this might be more distracting than the dark blueish/purplish or white of current back-lights. Also green would be pretty terrible maybe too depends on how it's dimmed in the local dimming algorithm too. I think a faint red or green halo would be more noticeable than a faint white or dark blue/purple right?
Vincent's dirty jokes with a straight face are gold.
Yeah if you're 12
@@stepheng8779 said the comedy expert 🤣
@@stepheng8779 or you know, have a sense of humour or personality ;)
A month ago, who would have thought Hisense and Panasonic would get the most hype at CES? Happy the TV market is getting much needed competition 🔥
Doesn't mean anything if Panasonic loses the 2025 Blind TV Shootout.
I want them to actually WIN.
Panasonic just uses new panel, made by LG
@andreydavydov6417 Panasonic should start making their own panels again like they did with plasma, but it is probably not their capacity to do.
When they advertise 5,000 or 10,000 nits, it would be helpful if they make it clear if this is a 3% or 10% window and what the brightness would be full screen.
Peak nit ratings are always referring to brightness at a 1% window as you would see in a peak specular highlight.
Always smallest specular highlight
The new mini leds can even support 10.000nits full screen. Vincent shared a preview once, the video was super dark and he was barely visible as the screen was crazy bright. Sunny day outside is still more like 150.000 nits
@@jeskomargargot3454 Mini-LED displays are usually not at full brightness on a 1% window to reduce blooming
Only 30 grand? Thats easily affordable by everyone. May as well buy a few of them for each room.
Why buy a car when you can get this TV with shinier colors and slightly darker blacks, just consume product and get excited for next product!
Thats only 3 Rolex Submarine
No. It's not easily affordable for everyone. That's the whole point.
You can say.. "but I want a big TV too"... Yeah.. And I want a Ferrari, but guess what?
Not everything needs to be cheap, so the masses can afford it too.
Ima mount mine on the wall right in front of the toilet
In 1997, the first commercially available flat-screen TV, a 42-inch plasma display from Panasonic, cost around $15,000. If enough "rich folks" buy these price will come down. Yeah right...
If my wife wants an extra inch, all I have to do is buy this TV... Her and I both win! 😎😆
True
Nah… you wife will go to another man and take the TV with her!
😂
Very interesting report on the Hisense RGB-Mini LED. Interesting technical details, a few of them trickling down to lower model series.
The beanie truly enhance your branding competitiveness! ; )
Love the dirty double entendres!! One so rarely gets great technical tv info with bawdy jokes! Keep up the great work Vincint!!
Just trying to get an answer (asked Caleb), but isn't this like what Sony did in 2008 with their LED RGB backlight for the XBR8? That was only regular LCD/LED and regular HD not UHD, but the same principal right? People are talking like this is something completely new?
I had the same question, this doesn't seem entirely new
Yeah but this is at miniled level, and with massively higher count of local dimming zones, which according to Linus Techtips is only achievable now due to the improvement of chip processing power capable of calculating colors and luminance levels for each led at that scale.
@@anhhct Sure, but that's all secondary/beside the point I was making. This is being pushed as a breakthrough. Those things you mentioned are great, absolutely. But I'm talking the idea/design being done *almost 2 decades ago* (it was an incredible set btw). Which is an eternity in tech. The supercharging is secondary. Again, a ton of crowing and people thinking it's new when it's the same principle, Even it being Mini-LED is the same principle as LED backlighting. Just smaller/higher count. And I'd bloody hope so, decades later! Do you get what I'm saying now? Sorry if I was a bit unclear last time. Did Linus bother to acknowledge it either?
@halfvader8015 Sony is crap. They first came up with OLED and CLEDIS but just gave up on both
@@halfvader8015 Sony called it Triluminos LED.. it was super expensive and the real problem in 2008 was that you could get a 50 and 60 inch Kuro for less money then that Sony. Sony quickly buried this technology. However I think the technology was different. It was a LED with RGB particle coating. It was not an LED system with RGB LEDs that could change the color.
There is the old Vincent I miss. Love your jokes, man. You’re looking rather Canadian today😂
Man I love this channel. Thank you Vincent.
Okay, don't call me out, Vincent.
No one knows who you're
sony brought out a crystal led (micro Led) tv at CES a few years ago but didnt make it because its too expensive
A lot of companies do this, actually. They come up with a "proof of concept" design and build a few in low quantities and then never find a way to make the technology economically viable for the mass market consumer. Just because a company can make something, does not mean that they can make it affordable enough to be able to sell profitably.
More than a decade ago to be exact.
Nah they did make Crystal LED there's a guy on AVSForum who owns a screen using the panels
Was at CES this year and that TV was very impressive. And very bright.
The moment I heard 1 inch, I knew what was coming.
Your hint at the end about the other brand using the new 4-stack/Tandem Primary RGB WOLED makes me think it was in that 83S95F demo unit. That would be the best way to assure there isn’t a huge falloff from the 77S95F to the 83”
I also have a feeling Sony will be using these 4-stack panels instead of QD-OLED this year.
It’s the G5
@ That one’s obvious - even though LG was mum about it. But I’m betting it’s in the 83S95F as well.
@ ooooh. Yeah that would be awesome. In Bryan’s tech therapy channel he said he was convinced that it was a QD Oled before they confirmed it wasn’t. Maybe it’s something like the tandem panel actually
Ouch.. did you say $30,000… Well I know what my 2030 TV will be LOL.. Let’s hope $3000 by then.. Looks amazing though, can wait for you to test.
I've been afraid to look since i heard about this backlight. Let's hope the price is just until they refine the production process to handle demand
It's not that bad of a price given that the 97 inch oleds are 25k
For the small price of a brand new CAR I can buy a TV with shiny colors ✨️ yay..
Might as well get the Sony HX3110 at that price
It will not be $3000… but maybe only $20000 at 2030. It would be allready 33% improvement in price…
The reality most likely is that it will be $28000 instead.
Hopefully it will sort out the Audio Delay. I've had 2 TCL's now(mini LED and QD mini), and both had Audio delay. Both have highest delay setting to -50(to speed up audio). No where near enough. No matter how many settings I turn off its still noticeable.
Buy an AVR or soundbar. I'm now routing my Apple TV 4K and PC both through a Samsung Q990D soundbar (HDMI 2.1) and got rid of all audio delay issues. The problem is a poor eArc lip-sync spec. Samsung has the same issue
I wonder if hisense fixed motion in their this year
I don’t have issue with their notions . I own 2 Hisense U8 and now their previous 85” UX !
The motion of Ux is never an issue only need to go to motion smooth setting / custom to UP the jutter setting . N it gets smooth right way .
@ without soap opera effect?
@@swervobandz3932 soap opera effect is never an issue . Its preference . Just like if someone tells us -- REAL Italian pizza 🍕 only has pepperoni n cheese . No green pepper 🫑on pepperoni , no pinapple no ham . Your Chicago deep dish pizza or pizza 🍕 Hut cheese filled rolls r shi… “
The Hisense can get rid of soap 🧼 Opra just by ADDING jitter in same setting (it’s out of box at 5 , just bring it to 3-4 if ppl want it funny shaky looking ) I want butter smooth :)
That -- movie standard , or this n that old school cinematic standard it has serve some ppl’s time .
But not to UA-cam / documentary / cartoon / sports 🏀 level of color n vibrancy :)
Those UA-cam 4k 8k drone . 4k walk … we want smooth rich Color :)
Will it look that good in Game Mode? Processing required for the best picture quality might be greatly reduced to reduce imput lag
i think its actually less since there's rgb in one lens, the blue led doesn't have to go through multiple steps to show colors.
I'd pull the trigger on one of these large 100"+ TV's if their price can be around $5K.
Jump at it !!! If it gets Close ! I have preview 85” UX . I am wow by it eveyday !
I have seen what QD-OLED , G3 G4 yearly look like , since I live 1 min drive from BestBuy. (I usually just walk ) I can recall ever model ever year . Lol
It’s NOT bright at all . 😮 for a LOT of image it Dims d mid color more , instead of boost the peak brightness! So things are more of 3D !
I think the brightness 🔆 n high local dimming !
Makes AI 🤖- no longer to over boost peak / Surpuding shades .
Kinda like 400hp car 🚗 on highway 🛣️ still much smooth at exact same speed than 120hl VW Jetta going full tilt !
There so many dimming zones , it can choose to just blindly blast the appeariate shade of Grey/pale … no need for UP scaling or Guess how much to brighten, or Darken -- cause fuzz .
Hisense already has 100" tvs for around $3000
@ hey 👋🏻 thx ! 🙏🏼 yes :) it’s U8K U8N U76n those are gorgeous !
I meant the Flagahip UX tv are worth it at $5000 at 💯 “
The guy made the comment he wanted the UX level tv at 100” for $5000
It is a long wait… maybe $20000 at 2030…
Maybe $18000 2040
Maybe $15000 2050…
Big is big and mini led is mini led.. the price will not go down a lot. It will drop a lot first and after that it will remain mostly same!
Why can't they just concentrate on 75", 85" and 98" sizes? All that technology should be put into more realistic sizes.
This is usually because it's easier to make these things bigger because the size of the new stuff is physically larger. When everything gets smaller (more dense) it has to be refined more to get good yields from the factory
What makes you think it won;t? This is CES remember?!
They already have good enough models that fulfill that segment. I think they are trying to go after people in the high end projector/home theater market. the type of people who would have spent 10-20k on a high end projector. For people in that space, even 98-100inches is not special. Also this massive sizes is also how they justify what is basically new car prices.
I mean try to shrink cutting her stuff ever further, it is the reason with micro LED panel are so so so bad in pixel density (well one of the reason).
Also this is CES, floor space is very expensive and so you bring your best suit and flagship.
And third this is cutting edge tech, it always going to be expensive and outside of normal people market, but for the super wealthy that would buy a cutting edge 100+ inch tv well going a couple of grand further isn't a deal break.
So yeah they have all the incentive to show the big one first and try to bring the tech down as it mature
That's not how you grab headlines though and get millions of dollars worth of free media coverage for your company. You have to go incredibly big or no one will pay attention.
Imagine if they got that RGB backlight matrix resolution up from the current 0.010p resolution (10K RGB LED's is what it looks to have) to at least 120p and eventually 240p, making it an almost 1:1 (well not quite as it would have to match the panel resolution for that) modulation method like dual-cell LCD, I think they should use a 240p DV-RGB UV-LED (Direct-View Ultraviolet RGB-LED) with 7680Hz (typical refresh of DVLED), imagine how good the motion-resolution and scanout speed would be with that, and the contrast and colours with RGBUV-LED would be insane, 7680Hz rolling-scan would be simply stunning, and enough to resolve at least 12K on motion-resolution with a super silk smooth scanout rate, and that 240p DV-LED modulation panel with RGBUV-LED's would make for incredible contrast, super inky blacks and high-colour-volume, with incredibly vibrant SDR or HDR highlights, even SDR would look incredible, UV would really help with greyscale, shadow detail, get really good quality for the dark colours, if you have ever seen these black light displays, you can see just how vibrant a UV equipped display could be, especially if you had a top-layer that reacts to the UV light, what would quantum dot treated tiped RGBUV LED's look like for instance, the UV passing through the QD treatment on the LED's could resolve otherworldly levels of colour output, and completely spank OLED.
It is great that so many different technologies get pushed..
Vince is turning out some tricked up rhymes: take another shot like I do with single malt
My man is DOPE!
I love this guy, other than reliable info on panel tech you also get a smattering of dry humour as well.
Thanks for the price and available info. I will keep my 110UX since the 100UX won't be available in the US and the 116UX will be $30k and is borderline too big for my room.
Getting three for each of the kid's rooms!
Barney needs to be big.
i have a client with no budget for a theater room. wondering if i should get them this or the MicroLED coming this year also?!
Micro led aren't worth it now. Is just way to much. The blooming is not that much of an issue in last year 110ux.
But that micro led quality 😢.
If you have the money to the equivalent of selling a kidney, i guess yes.
If you have clients trusting you with several thousands of their money then you should already have the knowledge what’s better for them
@RelaxedKiller neither are a bad choice it seems, prereviews. It's gonna come down to factors
@@kyordannydelvalle523 not my money
Saw that joke coming a mile away and it did not disappoint! 🤣
This is so smart
Why haven't we tried this years ago
Most likely it's a computational bottleneck. More computing power allows for more dimming zones and rgb dimming zones to be. Viable while retaining acceptable latency
As @Gekko12482, it's a computational bottleneck. The 3 smaller LEDs that make up the backlights need to have their color calculated to match whatever the pixel they're illuminating is colored. So the chip needs to do 2 color calculations: 1 is pull from the data stream what the color for the LCD portion is, and then 2, calculate the RGB LED colors. And now the chips with enough speed are cheap enough that a manufacturer is willing to throw them into a set. Note that it's been possible to do this years ago, but the chips to do it were high power consumption and high cost, plus you needed to the price of high-speed microLED controllers to come down too. So while true microLED is still very expensive due to the still niche electronics in them, this design represents kind of the sweet spot in current tech.
Vinnie is back! 😂
but Hisense 136 inch MicroLED looks even better
7:29 about USB-C it will have DisplayPort support ? maybe ?
@LordLab: Yes, it's USB-C DisplayPort.
Direct view? As opposed to all those tvs I view via a mirror?...
Hisense have come a long way in the last few years.
Last week January sales I bought a black Hisense fridge freezer. Only £350 but essential features like in the bigger more expensive brands. Total no defrost, multi airflow systems in both the fridge and freezer compartments to eliminate any frost from ever building up.
And in the next month or so I'm going to buy a black Hisense electric induction hob cooker. Plus Black Hisense washer dryer.
Television though I will buy a Panasonic OLED as I am a big movie fan. Over 500 blu ray films, over 250 dvd films, over 100 4k blu ray films 🎬
When they come out with an affordable 55" Hisense model, get back with me alright? 30k usd is 30x too much for me...
The display tech definitely sounds appealing.
Hisense already has 100" mini led tvs for $3000, just settle for that, seems good enough.
Will they use this tech on smaller sized tv's as well? I would prefer the best available in 65/75 size as well.
So this is just an enhanced local dimming array but smaller and better quality?
Some people are complaining about manufacturers focusing on building 115" TVs instead of 70-80-90". Well, the same thing was said 10 years ago when people complained why those same manufacturers were focused on showcasing 70-90". Where are we today? 85" is the new norm.
When can I get this TV in 55 inch?
Hopefully by the time I'm ready to Upgrade my TV, These TVs will be ready and tested and sized down with reasonable prices. My next TV will definitely be a Micro LED or RGB MiniLED.
Concratz to the individual who marked the sponsored segment and uploaded it to SponsorBlock. That cut was just perfect 😄👍
Until dimming zones = pixel count , OLED will stick around for a bit longer
Nope, in real-life content there is no need for backlight accuracy to the pixel level
@ there’s plenty. Just point the camera up towards the sky at night time; star fields are the toughest content for non oled panels
There’s also subtitles as well will always have blooming (up until zone = pixel)
@@chibbyylol ah the classic starfield example of OLED fans. Not everyone watch space movies all the time and not even space movies show the starfield all the time. Your OLED will shine when watching a demo, I will give you that
@@chibbyylol subtitles are not that tiny, I would say when dimming zone resolution = 1/16 of 4K it would be enough to eliminate blooming in subtitles. That would be 960x540 = 518400 zones
OLED will always win the market for smaller TV's there is no arguing that imo.
However if you want to go bigger than 65" which a lot of people are doing now days, you kind of have to go for mini-led if don't want to destroy your bank balance.
Has no TV reviewer on this platform thought of the potential color bleeding issue with colored backlighting?
So... what I want to know is if the C5 is still green as the C4 cause I am very disappointed of the C4's viewing angles
Time to switch to ADS- Pro : glassy , most black vibrant wet paint 🎨 type of visual ! I can’t explain the wow when I saw it .
Thanks. Finaly he is getting the massive size Big bro needed! Now he can tell the girls he pick up what a massive machine he operetes
Do we know anything about whether pixel transitions are faster?
i always wondered why not just put rgb backlight?
Expensive! But good! Sony studio grade monitors has true rpg!
Hisense is truly ahead of TCL in 2025 and just maybe be the tv to purchase in 2025
GOOD NEW TV TECHNOLOGY.
As an lcd it still needs a layer of color filters for every r/g/b subpixel
Vincent is one of the good guys !!!😊
The U8N 55" offered less peak brightness than the larger-size models. I hope this is not the case with the 2025 U8Q models.
I'll consider Hisense when the picture doesn't look like a projection tv from the 2000s
Dang, you actually look handsome in this video.
I can only wait for monitor manufacturers to catch up in 10 years time
I just pray that Hisense has the processing expertise to make the most out of the UX and the new RGB backlighting tech. I already have a feeling it will be a no-go for gamers who want the best PQ, without sacrificing PQ.
I feel like Sony will be the next to adopt this technology, and implement it even better. Tho what do I know, I’m just speaking into the void really…
Regardless, this TV has me the most hyped out of all the TV’s announced. I have a sneaking suspicion that the hype might fizzle out a bit, once the TV is put thru the paces.
They already did. In 2008.
😊this is not concern . Hisense ADs - pro screen has -- 500hz screen refresh rate .
SONY doesn’t have d best LED technology for years . They revert to alternative LED , since Samsung / Hisense have then TECH pattern for warm tone LED. Sony LEDs r blue / Magenta . Very pestle
@@Yoga_Tv_buying not remotely what we're talking about
@@Yoga_Tv_buying missing the point again mate.
Nanasys is about to after microLED with UV LED backlight. It's good to see healthy competition like this. Anyway it seems that Sony is right all along about OLED.
You would think that a 55 inch would be on the list as my guess is that it’s the most popular size
This year I will upgrade my LG HDTV LED for a U9 Hisense.
Hats on for this TV
Rgp mini-led 🤩
Excited for the mini LED tech
I would like to see what a PS5 Pro would look like on a 10,000 nit 116” screen thank you very much.
I would love to get that kind of tech at 27 inch and monitor form but I love my Alienware aw2725df qd oled
If they come out with smaller size and much cheaper i might buy one.
This tv should be entitled as "The King Halo"
LCD = long response times = ghosting = no
granted that is if we ignore blooming because theoretically we can use a black and white oled at the same resolution behind the LCD panel to achieve that but that would be stupid
They can not use the white OLED if they could they would have done it already!
Tell me you've never used a high end LCD without telling me.
@@DrakonR tell me you've never used anything above 60hz without telling
@@Yoga_Tv_buying 'they" can it's just very stupid and uneconomical just make an oled at this point why bother figuring out a white OLED just to stick it behind an LCD
@ i understand. The thing is if OLED could beat LED already . They could have done that !
-- in Science school 🏫 in Canada 🇨🇦 they teach how LED above OLED once teach 3 critical points like Vincent advices
1st. for that 1 inch
I work in a repair facility and we see more Hisense TV's needing repairs in their first year of purchase than any other brand on the market. Their quality control is absolutely abysmal.
It's all about the size lol
Until it doesn’t fit… down the stairs of my basement.
@JayJay-jx3zg Front door or back door?
🤣🤣🤣
Is it me or is it looks like its cold in UK?
Why can’t they focus on making 120” tvs that are more affordable than a car? All tvs in standard sizing 40-80” need to be half off all year since it’s old news already.
bonjour tellement dommage que cette thecno soient uniquement sur le 116 ux😢
si hisense sortent le rgb mini led sur pratiquement toutes leurs gammes la oui c'est une revolution
$30,000 launch price, but if it follows the trends, by Christmas 2025 it will be down to $15,000 for end of year sales.
pricepoint is made to reduce amount of inches you have, so you would want more inches in result
I'm thinking about getting one for my living room so I can play the x box on it 😊
Is there a 55 inch version of this tv ? I hope so .
why people need more than 50? to watch muddy enormous pixels of 1080p? or youtube "quality"?
@@ivan4087 Not everyone watches in a small bedroom... lots of people have large areas they want to watch.
Not possible to make… or it needs to be 1080p at 55”…
The problem is that they can not make smaller leds… so they have to make these big! Or reduce resultion a lot!
Maybe 720p 55” could be actually closer!
Sony had RGB led backlit TV in 2009 (XBR-8).
Wake me up when this comes in a 65 or 75in for $3500😅
Are you going to Carbon iced? We Wake you year 3050!
Well maybe they are not that cheap even then…
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Isn't that something like sony triluminus
Interestingly, this should result in colored blooming, rather than white blooming.
Acktually ☝️🤓 when you mix RGB you get white
@@ameserich Ha nice one! It won't of course because it depends what colour it's meant to backlight, but here's an upvote for the joke!
@@halfvader8015 Acktually ☝️🤓 it will be white, backlight dont change color, its the subpixel that manipulates the color. All the RGB does is enable 97% of rec2020
@@ameserich Actually he's right it should lead to more coloured blooming instead of one colour back-light (blue (VA panels) or white (IPS/ADS panels)) blooming like now. Which should be better at hiding blooming since it will be the same colour as the bright object it's trying to light up. So it could get objects brighter without noticeable bloom. But temper expectations as the back-light blooming across every TV manufacturers more premium TVs seems minimal nowadays. I did hear the white bloom is preferable over the blueish/purplish but I have heard the opposite too. I find the blueish bloom on my 43QN90B is fine. It's almost like there is no bloom. I compared it to my OLED phone and saw the same purplish looking bloom below and around the white end credits, so sometimes if you see that it's not actually bloom. As even OLEDs show that.
Has anyone made a QD MiniLED LCD VA panel TV with a white back-light? I think it was Classy Tech who mentioned that the white back-light is best for more natural less noticeable blooming, but you normally only get them on a lower contrast IPS/ADS panel LCD FALD TV.
I wish they have a smaller 4k tv, 50 its to big for me
Yeah, too big. Personally would prefer 77 inch.
If 50 is too big, have you considered looking at computer monitors? A quick look showed me that Asus has a 38" 4k monitor, and I'm sure there are others. And honestly, the performance of the 4k firestick max is miles above any built in tv OS I've used for streaming content.
Do you have a room made for ants?
Oof, and inch would massively improve my life and so would this 116UX
I am curious because Samsung's new 3rd Generation QD-OLED looks really good, looks better with the new "blue" colouring. I think it'll look better though. In my opinion, for my use, LG isn't #1 for the first time with OLED.
I would do almost anything to gain an extra inch but not spending $30,000 on a TV 😮😂😂😂
I think I will go for or G5 or S95F :) 30k is a bit much
S95f is matted ?
Is this payed by Hisense? I AM asking bcs Samsung also RGB backlight models and you didn't mentioned...
this technology is great and im excited for it but isnt it what micro led promises ? i think micro led is the real future and its closer then we think i think in two years eg in 2027 we will have affordable micro led tvs.
Not yet working micro leds… so.. have to wait maybe 100 years more… I hope that you are very young Person!
😂
@ this year there is already micro led tvs available below 50k ( remember last year cheapest tv was 200k)
@@AhsanZafar
What size?
But even $50000 I would not consider as an working tech… just a demo in my mind!
Let's hope sony will launch the same tech for 85" this year
1080p… would not sell were well…
Didn't Sony do this back in 2008?
That wide shot of the three TVs is very telling though. :-/
Finally !!!
Schade das keine deutsche Übersetzung gibt
Vincent ! I had 🟦🟥🟩🟨 4 base color Sharp Aquos Quatrun before ! N ppl kept being Blown Away!!! N kept think why SONY LG just blur n pestle !
This RGB back light 💡 color r going to flip ppl’s perception !!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
This makes way too much sense
I expect prices for this tech to drop dramatically thanks to mass adoption
Not even a full year since I got my big shiny new Hisense "ULED".. :/
this would be really exciting on a smaller more affordable model but at $30K for a 116" it kinda feels like this tech might not be very scallabe, then again both samsung and LG keep ignoring the below 55" sizes with equipping their latest OLED tech for the last 3 years now lol
I feel personally attacked…
Hisense, the company that will break your TV while under warranty, then deny it until the warranty expires...
😊 I have 2 Hisense U8 series , 55” 65” , 3 yr 4yr in . Bought 0 Waranty . So $2450 USD later ….. no issue . 😅
100% this technology will show color haloing and color issues once they get reviewed
I thought maybe it will actually mask the blooming better since the bloom will match the colour of the object being lit up very closely. Or would it make it more noticeable for certain colours? Since a bright red flower from one of those S&M demos, the new RGB back-light would make use of the red sub-pixel this might be more distracting than the dark blueish/purplish or white of current back-lights. Also green would be pretty terrible maybe too depends on how it's dimmed in the local dimming algorithm too. I think a faint red or green halo would be more noticeable than a faint white or dark blue/purple right?