Nobody Is Talking About This Thing? | When Wallets Fly: J35XS Draken
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Okay so I've played a bit more after making this video, and here are the results of the matchmaker. My luck hasn't been as good as the first 10 games, but still good.
RESULTS AFTER 25 GAMES:
Uptiers to 11.7: 1
11.0-11.3: 9
Downtiers to 9.7: 15
I find the tech tree J35D at 10.7 gets more up-tears
absolute wack matchmaking lmfao
@@LarySeeAircraft normal.
F104S is in the same boat,they did something to the matchmaking to put a hard cap to it or something .
Interesting stats there nonetheless. My stats after 25 games were:
Uptiers to 11.7: 17
10.3-11.3 games: 8
Downtiers to 9.7: 0
Though as far as I can tell compared to my friends, I get some pretty garbage MM regardless of what I fly.
J35D is also 10.7, has no flares, and has two less RB24Js.
This is literally the definition of a pay to win.
I don’t think it’s necessarily pay to win, it’s just gaijin logic, however something like the Harrier GR.1 at 9.3 is true P2W
pay t win is the Mig 23 ML, same performance as mig 23 mla, but u cant carry an rb24t and rb24r at the same time. radar is virtually the same.
@@ew7626 I don’t think you Guys understand what pay to win is
@@ew7626 it would be but theres so many low tiers playing the ML it makes my mig 29 hard to win with not play the mig 29 is nuts and a fun jet obviously
@@elkrumb9159 pay to get a better vehicle at exactly the same tier as the worse ''free'' equivalent? How is it not pay to win.
Gaijins new marketing strategy seems to be putting planes that should just be in the tech tree in the premium line.
New?
@@pomelo9840 tbf they have been doing this for years, but when they start costing between 50-70 euros it's kind of ridiculous
@@BlockyRaptor yeah, why spend that much on a plane in a game when I can buy a small amount of food/groceries with 70 dollars
Gaijin: gives regular ass planes that should just be in the tech tree half a dozen aim9Ls
**that'll be $70 goyjins plix**
Lolaybe youre new but that strat is not
"I wouldn't ever spend 70 dollars on a plane in a game and I know most of you wouldn't either."
Me, a DCS player: *utter silence*
relatable lmao
at least the DCS planes are worth it
70 dollars to larp in cringecs?
For DCS the 70 bucks given you a study sim worthy highly detailed representation, the War Thunder one gets you less pixels than the gear wheel of some DCS jets.
That being said I am waiting for a sale to put the two MIG-23MF coupons I have to good use.
my thoughts exactly.
The fact that the J35XS and the J35D are the same BR tells how this game is beyond broken.
J35d needs to be like 10.0 but then it would be op in a downtier, except for the aim9L that a10 and r60m of su25
@@Miles26545 the old compression problem, the BR ceiling needs to be at least 12.0 so these jets that are same BR but are clearly better than other same BR planes go up at least one step.
@@Miles26545 Even at 10.0 it would be shit. The thing has no flares when su25 a10 and now the a6E are at 10.0. Avoiding Aim9Ls is fking hard with flares and without flares just J out.
@@NineSeptims exactly
@@NineSeptimsit's 10.3 now. I've spaded it recently(80 kills 30 deaths) and it's honestly really good. In the beginning of the game you have to avoid a-10s and in the late game when you can 1v1 them, you have to head on, avoid the 9L (yes you can, most easily on head on but you have to not screw up) and then just turn and you got a free kill. Same process with su25.
This is absolutely outrageous. It has more hardpoints including the extra missiles and flares, yet it is the same br as the inferior d variant. This opens the flood gates for gaijin selling the more powerfull version of planes as premiums.
Anyone serious about flight combat and who hasn’t swapped to dcs deserves it to be honest.
@@user-iu6sd8su3e the thing is... DCS is like getting married in each match, whilst War thunder is summer dating. One is a commitment other is just fun for a short period of time. I play war thunder for a decent air to air combat mostly sim and occasionally RB but playing DCS is when I really have that 2-4 hours free time which is rarely.
@@ThaiLitzki you can just join a dogfight server.
Joob: "I wouldn't spend $70 on a single airplane in a video game"
Me:
You see, in DCS I get it. It takes ages and a big team to make one plane. And DCS has likely way less players than WT.
Also, DCS is a flight SIM, WT is sort of a battle arena with war machines.
It sits at the same BR as the tech tree one, gets two more missiles, and flares. Genuinely a moment of pay to win here.
I'm surprised you didn't use the IRST. It's one of the main upgrades over the D along with more missiles and, albeit, a small amount of flares. The IRST really helps slave the missiles, can be very useful.
All the drakens in the game are absolutely amazing to play, it's just that on paper their performance seems very lacking
It's like the vampire but supersonic
It's so fun to master it, and some people are unaware how you can stall fight with it if you managed to isolated a target.
@@Whiteghost785 the 35a is amazing tho, in 1v1 you will win if you play right. Against the all aspects you have plenty of missiles to use as flares and the guns, atleast to me, feel very natural to use despite having to tracers
and i feel like it doesnt bleed that much energy if you just turn at a normal non delta wing turn rate, only using the delta wing biplane level turnrate when necessary, however that is tough to do in AIR RB with mouse control, this is where it's easier with sim controls
I've played the j35 since release and one way I've noticed when in a flat spin is that if you pop airbrake, there's a better chance of recovery
Air brake, throttle down and spam WASD. It's sad how the pilot slams the rudder to one side and you can't control it anymore.
Never touch the rudder in flat spin Andy put nose down
@@MrFoxtanz I think the rudder is locked up and can't be controlled anyway
3:45. Poor guy went out in a spin 😭 😂❤
The drakens airbrakes are designed to get you out of flat spins and work in game. It hurt me to watch you flat spin and not use them lol
I had a friend try the j35xs in test drive and on the premium it doesn't work this update... I don't know if they also changed the tech-tree draken..
@@felixfj007 landing gear down is a must
@@Ackz89 That's something new then.. Air-brake should be enough in reality..
@@felixfj007 I tested both Air brake and Gear and neither of them worked
@@skill.issue. J35D or J35XS?
I" would never buy an 70 bucks single plane in this game"
Proceeded to say that he owns two knives on CS:GO
Well you can get the money back just by selling the knives but you cant sell the draken
yeah but thats different... csgo knives can make a profit for you... a stupid virtual plane cant
And u wholly miss the point of them being two different games.
First of all skins dont give u advantage/faster grind in CS unlike some premiums in WT.
Then CS was never as predatory to consumers as WT is.
Someone may have spend way more time in one game and be more willing to buy something. Theres also possibility of getting knife in few cases, winning it, being gifted it etc.
@@lazaruslazybones you can ISH, you can use it to grind event vehicles then sell them. Not the same but it's something 💁♂️
@@keldon1137 wdym skins don’t give you an advantage? skins = skill
From trying to fly J35D which is same br I fucking despite Draken for how they ruined its fly model, constant flatspinning and ripping wing.
And full down tiers? I was lucky when I got one in 15 battles. For that im calling you on the UA-camr bias XD
Snail did the draken dirty. The tech-tree variants are just in permanent irrelevancy because none of them get countermeasures. Then a variant with countermeasures appears, "$70 thank you very much".
Yeah 10.7 seems like a sweetspot right now. I talisman'd my F-104S and have been getting consistent downtiers. The thing is even nastier than the J35 - you get even more flares and can run away from literally anything at its BR.
no one talks about it because its just another draken and there is little to no reason to grind out sweden...
3:36 gaijin fucked up the draken's flight model like a year ago and it just keeps getting into these flatspins that you cannot recover from. this pretty much ruins its slow speed maneuverability because you always risk dying
Plus can't forget about the "new" copy and paste JA37C with its proper load out and just rename it JA37D.
just cut the throttle and pop airbrake, its easily recoverable
@@HappyBacon777ttv when was the last time you played it?
@@keldon1137 not anymore
if you get into a proper flatspin, it is not recoverable. no amount of airbrake and throttle cutting and altitude will ever recover a full flatspin
As a new player to war thunder, I really enjoy your post match analysis
Keep it up
An actually decent draken? HERESY DETECTED
Carrying 12 contermeasures and still choose mixed is indeed a huge balls move.
Small correction.
RB24J is the Swedish designation for the AIM-9P3. This is better than the J, with better range, aerodynamics, maneuverability, and a smokeless rocket.
this is how the draken felt for me before 9Ls came into the matchmaker sucks to dump all your speed to dodge a single missile
Before a match starts, check if you're in an uptier, if not take only flares so they will last longer, if an uptier then take flare and chaff, just be conservative of them.
i never take chaff anymore as i rarely climb(search radar out of the equation, if i have a search radar i can just nose up to the people above me) and if you notice pd early enough its decently easy to dodge(plus chaff doesnt help much anyways vs a PD radar)
i take reinforced flares if i have small caliber and standard if large calibre
Anyone watching make sure you have a keybind to change your control mode real quick because you can change to full realistic where your mouse is not to aim, but your stick, also full realistic drops the instructor, you’ll need this to get out of a flat spin
I only got this as a Christmas gift to myself, yet it was the most fun I've had. It was also fun to duel my friend's MiG-23 and get a gun kill.
First video I've seen from you, great breakdown! Just subscribed and looking forward to seeing more
The J35 is probably one of the most fun planes to fly in my opinion. It is pretty fast and its turnrate is just funny, compared to other deltawings like the mirage 3 or mig 21 it seems to lose less speed, but that might be only imagination. It's just a lovely kite.
It has a similar wing setup to j7E after all. The double delta. And yeah it keeps its speed fantastically if you make it.
So yo aint imagining anything
Also i topped out Sweden and US and I fly all aircraft almost the same, climb to a bit above 20k feet where even F-14s and J-7s aren’t paying attention and nose down above the center map merge, you can use that altitude to drop your RB24s onto unsuspecting enemy and let gravity do most of the work
5:48 One of my favorite strats in these cases where I'm close and in a scissors but pull allot of AOA is to use said AOA to yeet a missile at a high angle off. Most people do not expect a missile to connect from that close at that kind of tangent. Next time you're in a situation like that, try it out. It's really funny
People forget that when more players get 11.7s 10.7 br will become like 10.3 used to be before the patch. The Kfir C.2 is also really fun now.
Same BR as the J35D
An extra 50% + missiles
And flares
Same BR
B a l a n c e 👍
Quick Tip on spin control: If you get into a flat spin, full downwards elevator, and yaw against the spin. I like to roll against the spin once I recover as well. This works with almost all planes. For the J35, extend your airbrake, this was placed in a way to make spin recovery much easier.
Hearing how this draken has a favorable match maker is definitely not what i expected coming from a sim perspective where no matter what rotating bracket we have, it'll always be paired against F-16s or mig29s, glad it's not totally useless
Nice video... Didn't expect the J-35XS to be this good.
Ofc it’s good
Another great vid well done! Hope you get 20.0k soon!
So close!
@@_Joob Joob I'm sorry to bother you but could you give me some tips on the harrier Gr.1 please?
Pro tip, if youre ever in a spin in the j35 you need to deploy the airbrake. It helps push the nose down and if you have enough alt you will recover.
If you flat spin with the draken put the airbrake out. It's designed to recover flat spins and it does work at least on the j35A
22k Subs damn you grew alot last time i checked you were at 1.8k
I’ve been playing this thing since the first day it came out. Before this last patch a few days ago, this jet would constantly get uptiered to 11.7, but after the small patch it seems they’ve made that close to impossible now. I might get one game a day at 11.7 but most are down tiers and some are 11.3. Pretty good overall
I bought this plane maybe 4 days ago, it is broken as hell. I played 100 matches and not one single match was I facing F-16 or MiG29's. One really big plus point to the plane is also it's speed, I don't know any plane other than the F104's that could keep up with this thing. The only hard thing is dodging Aim9 L's coming imfront of you after you run out of flares. Thanks to the speed tho you can outrun Aim9 L's by far.
I really wanna get this jet but a 70$ price tag is ridiculous
Premiums should be no more than $40. WT has multiple ways of monitoring, like premium time, battle pass, other GE, the user marketplace. They are charging criminal amounts for top tier premiums
@@spicynoodle7419 I can understand 59 dollars.. But going more is just insane for what you actually get. At least increase the RP/SL gain or more what's around the pack.
The 104 taf is also very good . Probably because like this the match maker is in it's favor.
Then you'll like my next video :)
@@_Joob also another jet to return to is the f4j it got hmd on it's ir missiles.
Gonna get one in january, seems legit awesome
the f104S the standard S now has countermeasures, i dont know if its a bug or not but has made the aircraft somewhat capable now.
they announced it would be receiving them like a week ago or so, or whenever was just before the patch dropped, not a bug
@@molstad182 ahhh ok, must have missed that then
this thing carried me the last few days to getting the JA37D
Love the austrian luftstreitkräfte skin
my adult self knows that 70 bucks is way to much, but boi i want this jet.
The way I see it is this: I have fun in this game and the more money I spend on it the better it can be for all of us. Or maybe that's just me being hopeful lol.
Something to note, you can recover from the death spiral by turning throttle off, put landing gear down, put on airbrakes and rocking the nose up and down until you get into a nose dive. Also, I haven't played this jet yet but can you switch the chaff part of the flares to just flares as at this BR not many people use radar missiles? Get some extra countermeasures?
3:38 Special Finnish cobra
Id love to see a Video about the Japanese 70$ Phantom and your opinion on it
thats a pretty cool plane
Hey joob if this thing's gun is anything like the other Swedish delta wings then I got a tip for shooting planes, you're most likely overestimating your leading of targets, I've had so many time where I put my cursor right on the plane and hit one burst kills from 1km+. Idk if the rounds fly incredibly fast, but that's how I've learned to use the Ja37c and j35d. Hope this helps.
Joob you forgor about its IRST system, which should be pretty nice paired with the RB24Js
Just bought the j35A before seeing this video. Basically the same thing but with trash missiles and only gets full uptiers.
that flatspin tho XD
There’s a J35A on sale on the ps store for £24.99, I think it’s on sale until the 10th of may
Joob trying to not talk about A10's (really hard)
If you bring the rockets and 6 rb24js you have makeshift flares!
I kinda wish they would add a later version to the tech tree, maybe with the R-13m1s it used irl and the data link upgrade, it just is kinda annoying that a unique finnish model won't go in a finnish subtree but copypaste can
J35XS can also do cobra and flat spin very easily.
So not only premium planes are under tiered, they're also getting a ton of full down tiers. That's absolutely disgusting. They're basically setting up a food chain with the players who spend 70 bucks at the top, and pure tech tree players at the bottom.
Talisman on the Finnish MiG-21Bis is a solid choice, tho the better Finnish variant MiG-21Bis MGBT is likely coming.
Can u review the new mirage 2000D? Ik its a delta wing but im pretty sure it will be fun to play (and not many people are talking about it) (ASLO MERRY CHRISTMAS JOOB!!)
Do you think the matchmaker with J35XS applies with Kfir Canard, as that's also 10.7? Can you do a video on the it, perhaps?
at 0:46, its too funny when he calls it drAAken!! Its pronounced something more similar to Drrouaken
0:16 sweats in DCS
What is the camo called you are using? It looks like a camo from the Austrian Airforce because of the roundels but it has Flags of other countries on it too.
man, i can't wait for Gripen to come. still its going to take a while
Worth it only because it saves you from grinding the finnish mig
I was hoping for this ever since Finland was announced, but I ain’t spending 70 on this. But I might still get it when discount drops
Honestly what sucks about this thing is the amount of flares u get 😭 as well as cannon ammo because once you run out of your AAM you either gotta rearm or fight with cannons and thats what sucks about it i wish they added all the finland vehicles in sweden that would expand the tech tree
can u make a video about the fw 190 a-8?
(it doesnt matter if its the normal german version or the american premium version)
I want this in the tech tree man, its so stupid
Oh look, a pay to win version of the J35
Joob, if you ever flatspin in this thing, pitch down and rudder against the turn. You were ruddering against the turn which was good, but you still need speed to break the spin. 🤙
It’s one of the worst planes to try to recover from. I still need a couple kilometers below me to recover from a flat spin in any of the J-35s.
@@justamicrowave2572 skill issue
I love it you can lead so far with it thanks to the IR radar that it will ignore a lot of flares also very true I’m bullying most American teams
It's called IRST and he wasn't even using it in this video
@@evangalinsky2499 same differenc3
@@bradentucker4854 not really. It's not at all using radar waves, it's just detecting infrared light. Hence, radar, and Infrared search and track aka IRST.
Very, very different.
Looks like fun to me I’d fly it but don’t have $70 to spare lol. But I’ll eventually get it because it looks like a fairly nicer grind.
the match maker part maybe is due people using the a10 late with a talisman
you know why it was all a10s the last 2 days? they put it on sale and every lobby is all A10s, I have been grinding out my USA tree with my f5c and every lobby is just me and a whole bunch of A10s and I always die to a friendly missile.... just got to the 104 and the f3 demon
I don’t know if you mentioned it but it has IRST too.
Ya I love how many a-10s there are I just got the premium mig-21s for Russia and have been using its R3Rs to fly behind them and jest let it loose the never know what hit them
There's a way to get out of flat spin but u need 5k alt at least your air brake and u need to try and aim down if your lucky it will work
Is this skin from War thunder live or did you buy it for GE?
Directing this at your viewers, not you.
Aircraft in DCS are definitely worth their price tag. Each module is like a separate game. They don't even take long to learn. It's mostly just getting used to the controls. You don't even have to pay that much if you wait for a sale or are a first time buyer. There's a pretty big discount that gets applied to your checkout total if you make your first purchases through the popup window that opens in the main menu. I recommend the F-16 or F-18.
There are PVE servers that are specifically there for casuals and new players.
Ask for more information if you're interested.
This and the Kfir Canard dominate in downtiers
3:38 dorito spin lol
This is ultimate paytowin compared to tech tree variant at same br
As a Star Citizen player, I have no comment.
*hides in $300 worth of ships*
300 is not that bad considering its star citizen
@@666MIHI Conveniently, my main ship is the 300i
So .. this gonna be 11.0 soon, right xD
its a shame because people that live in australia (such as me) it will be way more expensive as 70 usd is 104 aud then probably cost more because of tax
Joob: I would never spend $70 on a single jet in a game. Me, who already spent $60 on the F-5C: 😶
Does gun convergence distance matter on this plane?
Gotta feed the whales man
In the A6e tram Wich it 10.0 I got downtierd to 9.7 or below every game I think basically except for like 4 outta the two days I have been playing getting the F16 and aim 9Ls at that BR with a plane that turns decently well and has ok speed is insane I was pulling 6 kill or more games
Please do a review/guide video of MIG-21s (r-13-300)
THATS A LOT OF A10s
This jet is missing missiles it had irl
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