Ive always said that calcs are only half the work. Taking them at face value without in-game testing is no different than declaring a hypothesis correct and skipping the actual experiment altogether.
Jiaoqiu is kinda reminiscent of Kazuha in Genshin, who was also dismissed by most of the community before he released for being only a small upgrade on paper. The scale is different because Jiaoqiu doesn't have anything as broken as Viridescent Veneerer to abuse, but it's an interesting parallel. Funnily enough, they have the same VA too...
many skipped kazuha either save for ayaka (next banner) who was the most anticipated chara at that time or sucrose already good for them, she's kinda sidegrade or even better at that time
However Genshin is an entirely different game and IMO a game where QoL matters way more from my experience… the QoL a character can provide in HSR is minimal because of the game’s structure and mechanics are rather restrictive. Genshin also has reverse power creep where earlier units typically aren’t power creeped too bad with 1.0 4* being consistently on the top. HSR has much worse power creep and the game’s structure incentives using specific niches and archetypes more than Genshin where it’s the same core of Benett Xiangling or just Nuev… Being a generalist in HSR isn’t good because the team building matters more especially with rampant hp inflation on mobs, for example you could call SW a generalist and she didn’t turn out well… people would much rather get the supports for a particular niche that would take longer to powercreep whereas as I said, Genshin has no powercreep where old units are still clearing easily. Also, people would much rather just use Ruan Mei or Robin as a generalist and they provide more utility anyways… specifically AA units because the best and most generalist utility in the game is by far AA, it’s just the best, you can see they regret making Bronya the standard because of what they did to Sparkle and not wanting to run DDD in ages. AA is just too good and Jiaoqiu doesn’t do that, it’s why he’s run with the wind set in a lot of cases… being a generalist is great, but only where there is little competition and the powercreep in HSR is more prevalent than Genshin so focusing on strengthening a niche is typically valued more by the community especially if you don’t have insane utility as a generalist
From what I remember, he's called 5 star upgrade of Succrose, which is actually a huge praise, since till this day, Succrose is still great. But back then Venti is broken, so the notion of "if u have venti and succrose, u dont need kazuha" emerges, which is valid for people who wanted to save primos. But the communities took it the wrong way and spin it to be seen as Kazuha is just alternatives of random 4 star. So I think both of JQ and Kazuha's case is not the fault of the theorycrafters, but some bad actors on the community who like to doomposting without understanding the issue. Sry for grammar
You regret not pulling for Jiaoqiu because of his versatility and comfort. I regret not pulling for him after seeing all the development he went through the 2.5 story. We are not the same 😢😭😭
TBH… versatility and ease doesn’t mean much with Ruan Mei and Robin being out and honestly isn’t too useful for this game.. and generalists don’t matter much because people would rather pull the dedicated support for a niche because of powercreep in this game where as for example Genhshin has reverse power creep where 1.0 unit 4* are on the top consistently.
at first i just wanted to pull him for le meta but then i started liking him in general, so i feel vindicated in how that mindset led me to pull boothill, yunli, and jade as well. i'd pull rappa too if i wasn't saving
After all the doom posting he went through, I feel so validated in getting enough luck to e2s1 him when he ran. His story in 2.5 was really something 😭 I hope all future Jiaoqiu wanters will be jiaoqiu havers bc he’s fun to use. I especially love using him with dr ratio
Yunli's pull value is insane. I've been able to use her to beat literally all endgame content without any limited sustains. Even this PF I got 40K against Yanqing with her. So even though her numbers aren't the highest, she's still goated with the sauce.
@@riser7795 real. pretty much every feixiao clear on PF i've seen has either used hyperinvested supports or hyperspeed. You just need jiaoqiu for acheron and lynx/yunli LC for yunli and you pretty much clear PF easily
@@riser7795 I gotta say Feixiao is very good too. Ever since her release I comfortably clear all 3 gamemodes. She's surprisingly good in pure fiction due to her amazing synergy with Herta (tho we'll see how that goes with new pf in 2.7)
I think people need to understand that spreadsheets and tierlists dont take comfort and ease of use into account. Jiaoqiu's gameplay is Skill into Ult, thats it, you win, regardless of the situation, game mode or element weakness
I pulled for him despite people telling me not to, I found him viable in many, many teams. He’s actually really good in a firefly break team, I’m excited to play him with Fugue, Firefly, and Lingsha for a mono-pyro second break team :) meta riders would say that sucks but it works for me in most endgame so far so LOL
Jiaoqiu is such a gigachad. Great character, great gameplay, and honestly I am happier to get Jiaoqiu than getting Firefly. In the end you have to trust your own intuition, analyze your needs and use your own logic. For me, Jiaoqiu was a must pull, and I do not regret it at all. In fact I´m happier to have JQ and I use him way more than I use Robin for example.
@@krazyaim FR, i feel like Lingsha role is not suppose to be replacing Gallagher, she's like Kokomi in Genshin where healer can be main dps too. So ppl who love to play abundance can main her.
I stopped caring about calculations after Acheron's release because someone showed calculations that placed her below Jing Yuan. I always assume they're missing something and are far from accurate. It's already happening again with Fugue.
I haven´t seen many calcs or similar related to Fugue. But looking at her kit and what she does, I feel like I really do not want to pull for her at all. However calcs and shit are useless compared to trying the character and making your own judgement.
@@esaualfaro3447 funnily enough, fugue is doomposted mostly because she doesn't work too well with firefly lol. I'm not denying fugue needs tinkering but her kit right now is already very strong for almost all break dps except firefly
@@izzme5204 That´s more a Firefly problem than Fugue problem. Firefly basically only works with 1 very specific and strict team. If you remove any of Firefly teammates, you rather play Arlan at that point lol.
The amount of people saying E6 harmony mc with ddd is still better/slightly worse than fugue drives me nuts. After the whole jiaoqiu fiasco Ive completely stopped taking leakers and leak opinions seriously
jiaqiou is a weird char. he's absolutely fucking amazing with this one really good dps but he's.. THERE for others. I think what makes him less good in my eyes is that he isn't really WANTED by any other character except acheron. he WORKS with them and will give decent scores but there's always a char either A: almost as good but f2p or better but also premium.. he fails not as a char who can be good. but as a char who is desired..... all my problems would be gone if they either replaced the dot spect of his kit with better % or baked his e2 into his kit albeit weaker so he could also be in tri dot instead of gui or sampo and the official best DOT support instead of ruan mei and robin
I almost didn't pull for Jiaoqiu because of everyone telling me to save for Robin instead. I caved on the last day of his banner because it was my birthday and i decided i might as well pull for the sexy fox man because he's good with acheron. and then he got his whole character moment in 2.5 AND my acheron can go crazy in pf now so no regrets (and i managed to win the 5050 on robin anyway so even less regrets)
JQ made my Acheron a PF demon. Using the herta shop LC and I constantly get full pf rewards without a single limited erudition character. That alone was worth it for me but ofc he’s good with her on all modes
This is a huge thing that makes me gas up JQ for Acheron havers. Pulling a support that not only improves Acheron in the game modes she’s already good in, but enabling her top performance in the game mode she struggled in is such good pull value. The alternative to JQ in this scenario is building up an entirely different team just to clear Pure Fiction, which can involve building up a few more characters at best, and pulling for a multiple new characters at worst depending on the account. If you have Acheron, JQ suddenly becomes the best character to pull for improving your account.
No one who does calcs say that they're everything. There are always disclaimers. A lot of them. It's mostly about some people who do not understand the calcs and its conditions, who just take the numbers they see it as gospel. An example of this is the Black Swan 10% meme. This was never claimed. The calcs for Sampo's best case scenario vs. Black Swan's aboslute worst scenario showed about a 10% difference. It was a purely single target calc, where I do not remember the other conditions. Then people started spreading misinformation, and when this misinformation obviously showed to be--yes, misinformation--the meme was born.
i regret not pulling jiaoqiu, i ended uo getting sparkle because i like her more, i knew he was better and he wouldve had more value on my account but i just love soarkle as a character
Me watching this as if I (A) Didn’t already have E1 Ruan Mei, Robin, and Sunday E0 S1 when he releases, (B) E-1 Acheron with no plans on pulling for her in the future, and (C) pulled him just bc I thought he was hot 🌚
it’s not just the jiaoqiu theorem. it’s the braindead community promoting oversimplified outlook to characters thru popular CC’s. the problem there is not the shared ideas, it’s the fact that people will just swallow whatever they’re given, not doubt the consistency of the given claims, or even raise new question that can further explore the character’s potential. THAT kind of community dialogue is needed. not to mention the fact that guides are a “one and done” thing, so it adds to the perception that if the initial impression is bad, then the unit is effectively bad by popular vote.
Its not an issue with the math or the tests or specific characters being "uncalcable". Testing improves with time. Jiaoqiu's performance CAN accurately be reflected on a spreadsheet and appropriately compared wirh other units. Its not that complex. Youll notice that after Black Swan went from beta to live, TCers adjusted their calculations and her performance is now a lot more accurately represented.
I like all character that do something when something happens. It makes gameplay more fun. If you use Jiaoqiu in event that have "When you apply debuff your team deal more damage bla bla". Jiaoqiu will be very strong in that event.
As a Sushang main, yeah, calcs are good but not everything because god if only she managed to imitate them. She manipulate way too much her own AV to have a strict rotation you could apply on every floor, that always depend on ennemi how much time you take to break, do you will have chicken who will eat the speed buff or not and what speed the mob when I will lose my -15% AV Not on dmg calc but you have the idea, a calcs from the moment where you have assumption is subject to failur and so need to be take carefully with all context around.
If Blackswan Arcana works like JQ Ultimate Debuff (counting the stack for Archeron when enemies turn). BS will be more valuable than JQ. But this game mechanics are being mean for the old character, so yeah. JQ better support because getting support from game mechanics is not pure from potential characters.
Great analysis. Lingsha is another example of this. People say "she's barely an upgrade over Gallagher" when in reality at her worst- and his best-case scenario, she *is* still an upgrade and she also goes into literally any team with being best in slot for superbreak specifically. Yes, Aventurine outperforms her in Feixiao FuA, but if you don't have him, she's the best replacement, you won't have any issues running her and she also goes into any other team (plus the team-cleanse that works even to break herself out of CC is unique).
Because of this, I've had zero issues with the End Game. Pulling for units I would enjoy vs Meta doom posting has helped me a lot. Looking at my overall roster before planning a pull. Recent DoT PF case. I have E0 Acheron no SC. I used Kafka E0S0, RM E0S0 and Linsha E0. Was told she was mid compared to Gallagar and that Rappa was nerfed. Cleared easily with Rappa/Gallagher part 1 and Acheron team 2. Anyways, just glad you covered this. Too many get caught in the calc trap. Then regret pulls.
I also bring up Kafka as she is no nearly as paired with Acheron E0S0 and I was told she can only run with 2 nihility to make Acheron worth it. I missed BS & JQ but didn't want to go all in for Acheron or a DoT team at the time. Hopefully, DoT gets a revival. I love my lil gui.
Speaking of the gamble gremlin... the beauty of her comes from screwing the calc and going all in. Once you win that 1% chance, it will feel great... now i have to pull that off 7 more times because Mihoyo is printing dolla- I mean increasing HP.
>Why calcs aren't everything >Validates certain characters as being underpraised because they have consistent performance (low standard deviation, which standard deviation is a calculation) as a benefit Great job...? You're not exactly saying anything anything that the other major HSR videos and character reviews aren't already mentioning. Do they gloss over all the specific caveats/intricacies during the review? Yes, for the sake of brevity, because generalizations are assumed. Nothing is exactly stopping a run from just ending because multiple enemies kept targeting the Tingyun on your team before the healer got a turn to restore health, random chance is random chance. But Tingyun being fragile isn't exactly relevant when talking about the strengths she provides as a 4-star harmony unit that's otherwise easy to utilize and generally useful for directing energy towards specific characters. Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to be very consistent in DoT/debuff application uptime, specifically because of the zone/field he creates. Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to be very ideal for Acheron due to the high rate of debuff application and the dmg vulnerability favoring ultimate damage sources. Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to not exactly be a Nihility DPS monster without eidolons, due to generally unfavorable dmg multipliers on his baseline E0 kit. Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to still be pretty decent on a variety of teams that would like a support that's generally SP positive, since generic damage vulnerability applies well to most team comps (what team isn't trying to scale damage output in some way...?) Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to still be pretty good even without signature lightcone, since Solitary Healing from SU is effective in Pure Fiction, and Resolution Shines as Pearls is generally good everywhere. Jiaoqiu pretty much has the same kind of universal application as a Pela. Dmg amp that exists as a debuff on enemies, builds for as much speed on gear with some effect hit rate, generates skill points, mostly will try to get an early Ult off but otherwise is tuned to only need to basic attack between Ults, and also doesn't provide a lot of self damage, even though certain traces would suggest they could DPS. Likewise, Pela's already been discussed and the teams she excels at are already pretty well known. Jiaoqiu is retreading a very similar ground, but with several benefits over Pela (or used alongside). Pela isn't the best partner for Firefly/Rappa, but Break still scales with defense shred, and if you have Harmony MC but not Ruan Mei, then Pela does work as Ruan Mei substitute. The same logic applies for where Jiaoqiu fits. He's only BIS alongside the nihility Acheron team, but that doesn't mean he's useless elsewhere, and nobody says that of Jiaoqiu, or Pela, or other characters.
It’s not only spreadsheet problem It’s also beta testers that usually test in endgame content with blessing that favor a character If the test was already baised toward Acheron then it will not show the real value of JQ when compared to Guine Same for Sampo/Blackswan Same for Clara vs Yunli The JQ situation I would say is similar to Qingyi in zzz when on release was seen as a minimal upgrade over her archetype (and as I had all the characters on that archytype) I skipped Qingyi, only to realize that yes she might do the job at a similar speed if 1- the enemy is not moving 2- enemy not aggressive 3- if it’s a single target If the conditions is the opposite Qingyi will be the best out of all her other fellow characters in her archytype which is what most game are (moving enemies, multiple enemies and most enemies are aggressive) so I fall for the testing and pre release/post release compassion and did not pull Qingyi, however my friend was smart enough to convince me to get Jiaoqiu and after I tried him I convinced my other friend to get him too I thought Jiaoqiu will be tied to acheton (which is true) however I did try him with Dr ratio in previous AS and it did better than when pared with topaz in that scenario, and surprisingly enough my fasted fight against hoolay was with Jiaoqiu/topaz, a 4 cycle clear
I used to say why would anyone want Aventurine over HuoHuo, her buffs are better for duo dos teams on paper. But thats when i realized i was getting destroyed by enemies having cracked movement spds, and alot of debuff spam. This is definitely true with the current MoC with Hoolay, and the new pf in side 2, and AS in a nutshell
I don't have acheron, and i randomly got jiaoqiu in 7 pulls, idk i just felt like rolling that day. Its cool, sure i don't have his best team but i slot him in in PF a lot because of buff uptime usually with yunli and robin. He is a good flex character who i can just plug and play, helps that he is SP friendly too.
The one thing I see a lot of people overlook when comparing Jiaoqiu to Guinaifen and the trend lightcone is that his debuff/dot DOESN'T count as burn when applied, meaning it bypasses any burn res/immunity.
The strength of characters has always been misreported during the beta phases because most people who doompost do not understand the game to the degree needed in order to come up with good arguments. I distinctly remember someone who argued that Furina was underwhelming compared to Nahida, which was wrong on paper and in practice. However, I think HSR units often end up clashing with the game's limited sandbox given the skill, ult, basic model. Jiaoqiu is unquestionably solid, but you'd be hard pressed to find one of his mains that doesn't wish for a bit more interactivity in his kit. I know yunli gets brought up in these conversations because she's a strictly better version of Clara, but yunli demands that you pay attention to enemy action orders to get peak value out of her. Given the way JQ's kit works I barely need to pay attention to what he's doing, simply because his debuffs are that straight forward. I'm in the camp that he's extremely uninteresting as an addition to the sandbox, especially compared to other buff statue units like robin and ruan mei who are so transformative beyond being good stat sticks.
Real Jiaoqiu Theorem: Have a unit with one of the worst techniques in the game. A unit with nothing but vulnerability. For some reason this unit's signature light cone applies vulnerability equivalent to 50-70% of what the unit does (strongest support s1?). For the same reason this unit has one of the strongest e1 in the game. Surprisingly, this unit's e0s0 is just terrible outside of his niche, but his e1s1 is comparable to the e1s1 of current harmony characters. The unit's only niche is Acheron. But people will still defend the devs for doing something really dirty and lazy. There is no reason why Jiaoqiu should only synergize with Acheron, but he only synergizes with Acheron. There is no reason to have such weak buffs in the base kit, but such strong buffs when invested. There is no reason to be the embodiment of vulnerability and nothing else.
this literally happened with lingsha as well first didnt want to pull for her cuz according to calcs she was just 15% better than gallaghar but after i pulled her (cuz she is beautiful) man i think it was the best decision of my life she made my life in pf so easyy
So this is unrelated to the video, but I need to make a side note for people that like to read and participate in the comment section and don't know this. I want to bring up a user by the name of wikidpsycokilla that keeps commenting on various waveman video. Their avatar is the kekistan flag, which is essentially a nazi flag reskin that has been adopted by nazis. So I would be very careful when interacting with them. Or better yet, don’t even bother and ignore them.
May be a bit off topic, but I managed my Yunli 3-man against Yanqing this PF with only 80% effectivr Effect Res. The effect res being mainly used to resist the Imprison from the Shadow and Freeze from Yanqing. Whatever the chances are of Yunli STILL seeing the CC effects, I don't know fully and I'm not about to find it out, but this brings me to my point: On the other hand of calcs only showing the best case scenario, and the average case may (typically more often than not) be less than ideal, there's always people like me who want to fight for that miniscule chance to make it work.
Tbh I pulled him out of boredom and didn’t have Acheron but I feel the reason why his kit doesn’t seem to give a lot is because he just give QoL for Acheron in all game modes with stack gen also it feels comfortable for Argenti in PF but definitely wish he had some better debuffs
I only ever do calcs to compare gear for a specific character or to compare characters in a specific team. Any other calcs (especially the ones that try to compare the dmg of two totally different teams) use so many assumptions that I fail to see any practical use to them.
Jiaoqiu or Yunli, These characters have been underestimated and doomed post to the heart’s content since beta but their value drastically increases after people recognize how to use them properly. Soon, Rappa will also join them after people know what Fugue is truly capable of and recognize how to play her comp. It’s funny how Rappa’s current situation is upside-down after your previous analysis of her release just 3 weeks ago. This game meta future is quite unpredictable.
Jiaoqiu, my beloved. He's opened up so many possibilities for my account, enabling my favorite characters and becoming a powerhouse himself for DoT at E2S0. I'm so grateful to him! Great video! Super informative of how thoughtless people are when it comes to just accepting what others say at face value as the truth.
I think you've got the wrong character for this Theorem. As "versatile" as Jiaoqiu is, he's at most the 3rd best option outside of the Acheron teams. Honestly, his base kit has a lot of flaws, whether it's the very low base multipliers, the insignificant DoT without E2, or the fact that he only exists on the field to apply Vulnerability, with no real value beyond that if used without Acheron. They've created a character that practically depends on E1 and/or S1 to compete with other Supports outside his own niche. JQ only stands out in his own niche and is forgettable and replaceable by better options outside of it. This Theorem should have been about Black Swan. The absurd miscalculation people made when comparing her to Sampo is one of the biggest scandals in the community to date. The calcs did not reflected practice at all.
No, Jiaoqiu is a very valid character to name this theorem. Mediocre numbers wise but so comfortable to the point it starts becoming one of his biggest benefits compared to other nihilities. No one denies that Blackswan is a good DoT DPS, but she’s just that. She’s not even half a character outside of DoT when eidolons aren’t mentioned, and when they are, Jiaoqiu beats her in every metric at e6 while also having one of the best 5* LCs in the game. The several cons you mentioned about Jiaoqiu are also 10x worse on Blackswan, let’s not kid ourselves.
Jiaoqiu is very easily Ratio's best debuffer, even surpassing topaz since the damage boost to Robin and Aventurine MORE than makes up for not having Topaz
aka Data is just that after all, and there’s context you need to be aware of to understand where the data is coming from, not just by looking at it at face value. I’m going to be vague about it, but evidently this doomposting that happened with Jiaoqiu is happening with the next two characters coming up (those perhaps not as bad) and I am just miserable just seeing all the conversations happening. It makes me question how many people in this community actually know how HSR as a game and gacha works. I also wonder if people in this community actually do love powercreep and wish for it to be faster, which is depressing to think about. Also, I think people then to call a unit “bad” when what they actually mean is that they find the character’s kit boring, which I definitely felt with the way people talked about Jiaoqiu when he was first released. Which I hate because being boring doesn’t necessarily mean they’re bad in terms of how powerful a kit they have. Anyways, can’t wait for all of the doomposting for Sunday and Fugue when they release officially. /s
Qq imo should have dmg per skill point usage as well as the percentage chance of the scenario so people can decide based on their risk. Jiaoqiu i knew was worth it coz my acheron uptime was so bad and gepard waa just dying with trend. But i prioritized robin since she is just robin
They doompost everyone 😢 it’s sad… I just got him cause he’s hot. And enjoyed using him so much I got his Lightcone and some Eidolons. And the 2.5 story I love him even more.
Not gonna lie Jiaoqiu got also screwed with Fei being next and good reruns being an option for that time So prob most ppl just coped that hes bad so they wont need to pull like I did But yeah Yunli, Jiaoqiu and Lingsha have rly fun possibilities, more interesting charas than Fei, Sunday or Fugue kitwise But well looks sell, not gameplay
Me probably the one of the few people regret pulling him. He doesnt help my team at all. My account not having archeron just make him basically useless most of the time non of my character can really use him when there are better alternative
TLDR calcs are just data, in order to draw useful info from data you need to know what the right kind of data is needed in order to support your hypothesis, and you need to know how to properly interpret and analyze that data. You basically have to have some semblance of analytical thinking in order to reliably use calcs
If tierlist formats do not use T0-T3 or any x amount of value it would make sense. It's just stupid people getting riled up over stupid lists like prydwen's or some shit. Characters in these games should be categorized in terms of versatility in game modes how they fare against other dps units within the same typing and path, flexibility in terms of team building whether they are niche or universal. You simply cannot quantify any of those with just a T and some numbers
Theorycrafters are cool in concept, but so many of them are just absurdly biased towards or against certain characters. I genuinely believe most people should learn some more in depth mechanics then just look at numbers to come up with their own opinions.
Brother you took feelscrafters opinions and called it theorycrafters. Theorycrafters knew since the beggining he wasnt bad, just that he wasnt better than the supports we already had and thats a bad new unit, but he is still an excellent 3rd/4th choice outisde acheron So yea taking the opinion of a few doomposters and calling it a theorem bc jiao is better than what the doomposters said is not sth really smart
If this is the case, then why test units in the first place? Why should we make an effort to collect data regarding unit performances in order to make an objective standard for people to look into? People forget the fact that in gacha games, considering the nature of character and account progression, there's a lot of variance to be had, and I mean a LOT, with just item rolls itself. These numbers are supposed to provide CLOSE APPROXIMATIONS, not ABSOLUTES. People's misuse and misinterpretation of data analysis is not the results' fault. There is a reason why tier lists DO NOT and SHOULD NOT take subjective factors into consideration. If you're going to have a presentation solely focused on compiling data sets, that should be the only thing it contains. Sure, maybe your Rappa outperforms your Firefly, or vice versa, but that's not the truth for other people, so there is no reason for numbers to care about things like this because they only serve to muddy the waters unnecessarily. Edit: Essentially, there's practice, and there's paper. Stop critiquing practice at the lens of theoreticals, or vice versa. Otherwise, you'd be asking a monkey to fly. Edit2: There's bias in everything, even in methods that attempt objectivity, especially tier lists. Your subjective experiences cannot hold water and will remain irrelevant to the discussion of numbers, if you're not part of said numbers.
Argenti, Himeko , You can abuse the fire weakness, surprising he works with BH if want to use with HMC and don't have RM.. I don't have any harmony trinity so... I can vouch for his value.. Also I have given him pioneer set instead of DOT cause e0s1 so I can get more dmg out of him.. tbh if you are contemplating to think of a flexi unit or want to fill a slot in teams he fits (?)
@yourmissright7 thanks, I use him with argenti in pure fiction already and it's very good. Never tried with BH, guess it will be the next team I'll try then!
Thinking doomposting is worse than overhyping a unit is kind of a red flag honestly. Neither is good of course but making someone who shouldn't pull, especially if they spend money to pull, is far worse. If the community doomposting a new unit causes someone to wait a week or two to pull that's not particularly bad in comparison. In most cases the most egregious claims fall flat in the first week of release anyway and all that's left is a bit of caution which is healthy, especially in a gacha game that is designed to make you spend unnecessarily. Obviously it'd be great if everyone was objective, but this earth...
acheron is literally starting to fall off slowly in the current meta since feixiao's release because endgame modes are catering to feixiao and FF more. the only reason she's still up there and WILL be up there in the future meta is because of jiaoqiu. ppl were saying "jiaoqiu isn't needed, only a sidegrade" since acheron is already strong, but now she heavily relies on jiaoqiu to be able to keep up with the meta that's isn't catered towards her. and we're not even in 3.x patches yet but she's already struggling if you don't have her BiS which is jiaoqiu.
Jiaoqiu's "versatility" = being the third best option in a handful of teams. 🤣 He will be the fourth best amplifier in the game after Sunday's release, and that's being generous.
And even if that was completely true, the results very clearly tell you that Jiaoqiu is a very good unit. Hell, being the "3rd" or "4th" option in a game that has as many characters as Star Rail is by itself insane lol.
@@esaualfaro3447 That would make sense if he was a DPS but there aren't that many limited amplifiers in the game; in fact only 6 with the release of Sunday. Being the fourth best (out of 6) it is absolutely nothing to bolster about, particularly when the difference between Robin and Sunday (best and third best amplifiers) would be less than that between Sunday and the rest of mediocre ones (Jiaoqiu, Sparkle, Silver Wolf) if you ask me. I sure as hell wouldn't suggest anyone to pull for Sparkle or Silver Wolf in a rerun... and the same applies for Jiaoqiu, unfortunately.
His being a OP PF Support and even more for Acheron is already a big win. Even considering that his kit is perfect for Robin combo in PF, buffing Robin and the DPS, which makes a 3 DPS Team if no sustain.
Honest to God jiaoqiu shows up in a significant amount of hypercarry teams like dr ratio and even seele. I've been using him with seele more often than sparkle. And with his sig he dunks on moze and hunt march in even feixiao teams and gives topaz a run for her money. I would always primarily recommend JQ for players with acheron but even without he genuinely provides a lot of value especially for anyone interested in doing 0 cycles. The combination of two harmonies and jiaoqiu is best in slot for an surprisingly high number of people considering how harmony buffs tend to diminish when you stack three of them. It's why pela was used so much in 0 cycles and jiaoqiu picks up right after her. Jiaoqiu also just synergizes incredibly well with both robin and ruan mei, having good toughness damage alongside amp that is useful in an increasingly higher number of aoe fire break shill fights for acheron or even himeko, as well as letting robin do significantly more damage with every tick while being a solid driver with constant attacks and ults + 4pc eagle. After pulling jiaoqiu and his sig I can attest that he shows up so much more often than just on acheron teams in practice. Outside of the characters I mentioned he's also best in slot for blade, near best in slot for yunli/in some situations beating out tingyun for her somehow. Sunday will push his way into a lot of standard hypercarry teams but yet again I think sunday and jiaoqiu synergize well on a number of teams and once again jiaoqiu will show up in 0 cycles with how splashable he is. I will say, he is somewhat carried by how ungodly broken his sig is, 24% vuln is a war crime.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 Acheron is not in a stellar standing, if you ask me. She may very well be the third best Lightning DPS after 3.0 and she'll only falter more beyond that.
Black swan is 10% better than Sampo ? Sampo is better in single target and swan in aoe / boss+ some goons. I am a Sampo shill but that’s just silly. That’s simply just because of how their kits and playstyle work and I don’t need calcs to see that. I stopped taking most calculations seriously. Another note though: Bronya vs sparkle calculations show Bronyas buffs are generally better. Sparkle is now officially used less than Bronya and Bronya is being used as much as she was in the 1.x versions.
I know that from genshin where some characters are hailed as extremely strong by theory crafters, but then if you look closer that strength relies on very specific stats and artifact sets, or nearly frameperfect execution of battle combos
People take calcs as gospel without learning about their assumptions and situations. People were claiming that Moze was 20% better than Topaz while citing calcs that they never identified.
But this is true, E0S0 Topaz is better than E6 Moze in Ratio team was cope, even Moze at E2/E4/E6 was same as E0S0 Topaz in Feixiao team. Also before said I’m wrong, remember Hoolay have 20% Lighting RES and have fire weakness btw
While I lost my 50/50 to bronya on his banner, didn't regert not keep trying to farm jades for him since later i found both pela and little gui made him unnecessary to have and also if i want to debuffers he will only fit in one without the other which will make me in the end use any of the 4 stars mentioned above 😅😅
@@waveman047 oooh ok. I feel like thats a good way to incentivized the difference between harmony and nihility. like some buffs works for harmony but wont for nihility even if it looks like the exact same thing but switched up a bit. Note: would have been cool if nihility has stronger debuffs but harmony a lil weaker cause harmony u can use it for waveclear but nihility is more boss fight so smth could be overtime, the debuffs stacks up a lot and surpass harmony
@@duongnguyen-s1iEven Ruan Mei's kit doesn't fully buff Super Break and Break. DMG% = Doesn't affect Break and Super Break Efficience Increase% = Affect Super Break PEN% = It's a Elemental RES debuff in form of a buff so affects Super Break and Break Break% = Affects both Nihility normally has a nature synergy with Break. That's why before Black Swan. Break DoT for DoT was the way to go.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 effiency does increase break though cause in the dmg calculation, the attack toughness reduction and ruan mei increases that. dmg% is there so she can be flexible outside of break. pen% im not sure but im pretty confident her efficience increase% does buff superbreak dmg
@@duongnguyen-s1i yeah, but not a directly damage increase, also, you can cover that by using a decent correctly element char in the team (like HMC + Rappa or when hoyo decides to make a Boothill support). Efficience only increase the damage of SuBe.
he's an acheron bot, that's it. He's usable with Yunli, Argenti and DoT, mid everywhere else. In MoC and AS, he's used in a single one of the top teams, on Acheron teams. On this PF, he was also used with Kafka/Swan, and with nobody else. He's like a bike, can take you anywhere you want, but if you have the option of either car, train or bus, you're leaving your bike at home or not even buying one at all. Pushing this analogy further, in this game, where a bike and a car(Robin) have the same price, why would I buy the bike? I don't think its even that bad that he's mid, it slows down the powercreep, but lets not pretend he's that "secretly OP character that everybody sleeps on", the calcs were absolutely right in this case
I gotta be honest, your QQ reasoning is kind of goofy, just because she’s a little more random than your usual RNG doesn’t make her calcs completely usurp Pretty disappointing compared to your usual theorems
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I skipped Sparkle for Jiaoqiu back in 2.4 based on vibe and personality alone, even though at the time Sparkle is the “Meta” pick. After 2.5 story and current Sunday kit, I so glad I didn’t carried away by the doom-post, got so much used out of him and great characterization as well.
Flopkle was never meta lol she get like 1 patch of relevance with daniel until the inevitable acheron powercreep every 1.x dps and robin soon after being bis even for hypercarry make flopkle even more shit 😂
Pulled Jiaoqiu and his signature largely because I'm a bisexual disaster and the mix of pretty fox man + gift for Acheron was too much to pass up. The instant level of comfort and power he brought was really shocking though.
Jiaoqiu still really bad considering opportunity cost. His unique attributes already covered by trend and other debuffing units, and multipliers are not more significant. It can be the case that you are pulling out of ease of play, but if you can rival his utility by just putting in more effort into trend LC and other debuff units you are literally costing yourself a meta character. If people have abundant resources he is indeed a good unit that does increase multipliers more than other units, but if someone is limited on resources (nearly everyone is) he is a marginal (~15%) upgrade that can be overcome with standard hard work.
No other debuffer is even close to JQ's strength. Trend does not replace JQ because you'd rather run an abundance unit (lingsha and gallagher are just much better than every other sustain, including aventurine!) and once your account is old enough you don't even need a sustain for a lot of content. The "15% upgrade" statement completely ignores how many more debuffs he applies, the fact his debuffs have 100% uptime, and his personal damage/toughness damage. He's skippable without Acheron, which is fine, but Acheron herself is probably half as good without jq as with him (eg. e0 acheron + jq outperforms any e2 acheron comp without jq)
when it comes to acheron teams he is indeed a huge upgrade considering acheron will get her ult much faster which means more dmg but also trend is kinda unreliable since it is still rng and depending if enemies will hit the sustain wearing it and using acheron team without jq in pure fiction is just so slow and a nightmare. it's just so comfortable using him in an auto team with my e2 acheron, jq, sparkle and fu xuan team and I can sit back and watch enemies get obliterated by how fast acheron gets her ult back up.
@@ChucklinHSR Trend LC can only be proc once. Once an enemy had the fire DoT they can't proc it again. Pela debuff doesn't last long and she can't recast it frequently. Guinaifen can't achieve her highest possible vulnerability debuff as fast as Jiaqiou can in a non DoT team even in DoT team she'd need at least 2 turns before she gets her max stacks and her DoT too has to be recasted each time. Silver wolf is single target and again her debuff has to be recasted. Jiaqiou debuff easily stacks just by him using a skill or ult after that his debuff just spreads everywhere as long as your ult is up. He's basically the ONLY debuffer that has permanent uptime and you can even inflict his vulnerability debuff DURING the enemy's turn 6 times during his ult. His DoT DMG is good at killing low HP enemies too since it did a decent amount of DMG (around 15k without his signature or another debuffer like pela) His DoT isn't a regular fire DoT so you can still stack fire DoT from trend LC or other sources (like weakness break etc)
@@exu7325 Tell that to PF, which is the only content Acheron actually struggles with. E2 just makes her damage higher, and most of it is wasted against small mobs anyway.
Sorry man I can’t even watch this. Jiaoqiu is so ass and not even as good as RM, even though he came many months after. I’m so sick of the community gaslighting me about this. I love the character and he’s STILL BOOTYCHEEKS JUST ACCEPT IT
Ive always said that calcs are only half the work. Taking them at face value without in-game testing is no different than declaring a hypothesis correct and skipping the actual experiment altogether.
Which is done a lot of the time in actual science...
@@CoconutOrNot_ Those are theories
Jiaoqiu is kinda reminiscent of Kazuha in Genshin, who was also dismissed by most of the community before he released for being only a small upgrade on paper. The scale is different because Jiaoqiu doesn't have anything as broken as Viridescent Veneerer to abuse, but it's an interesting parallel. Funnily enough, they have the same VA too...
They both use the wind set too 😂
same VA in en as well
many skipped kazuha either save for ayaka (next banner) who was the most anticipated chara at that time
or sucrose already good for them, she's kinda sidegrade or even better at that time
However Genshin is an entirely different game and IMO a game where QoL matters way more from my experience… the QoL a character can provide in HSR is minimal because of the game’s structure and mechanics are rather restrictive. Genshin also has reverse power creep where earlier units typically aren’t power creeped too bad with 1.0 4* being consistently on the top.
HSR has much worse power creep and the game’s structure incentives using specific niches and archetypes more than Genshin where it’s the same core of Benett Xiangling or just Nuev… Being a generalist in HSR isn’t good because the team building matters more especially with rampant hp inflation on mobs, for example you could call SW a generalist and she didn’t turn out well… people would much rather get the supports for a particular niche that would take longer to powercreep whereas as I said, Genshin has no powercreep where old units are still clearing easily.
Also, people would much rather just use Ruan Mei or Robin as a generalist and they provide more utility anyways… specifically AA units because the best and most generalist utility in the game is by far AA, it’s just the best, you can see they regret making Bronya the standard because of what they did to Sparkle and not wanting to run DDD in ages. AA is just too good and Jiaoqiu doesn’t do that, it’s why he’s run with the wind set in a lot of cases… being a generalist is great, but only where there is little competition and the powercreep in HSR is more prevalent than Genshin so focusing on strengthening a niche is typically valued more by the community especially if you don’t have insane utility as a generalist
From what I remember, he's called 5 star upgrade of Succrose, which is actually a huge praise, since till this day, Succrose is still great. But back then Venti is broken, so the notion of "if u have venti and succrose, u dont need kazuha" emerges, which is valid for people who wanted to save primos.
But the communities took it the wrong way and spin it to be seen as Kazuha is just alternatives of random 4 star. So I think both of JQ and Kazuha's case is not the fault of the theorycrafters, but some bad actors on the community who like to doomposting without understanding the issue.
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You regret not pulling for Jiaoqiu because of his versatility and comfort.
I regret not pulling for him after seeing all the development he went through the 2.5 story.
We are not the same 😢😭😭
Im regret - not because i skip him - but because Sparkle make me lose to Bailu so I dont have enough pulls 😢
TBH… versatility and ease doesn’t mean much with Ruan Mei and Robin being out and honestly isn’t too useful for this game.. and generalists don’t matter much because people would rather pull the dedicated support for a niche because of powercreep in this game where as for example Genhshin has reverse power creep where 1.0 unit 4* are on the top consistently.
at first i just wanted to pull him for le meta but then i started liking him in general, so i feel vindicated in how that mindset led me to pull boothill, yunli, and jade as well. i'd pull rappa too if i wasn't saving
same😂
After all the doom posting he went through, I feel so validated in getting enough luck to e2s1 him when he ran. His story in 2.5 was really something 😭 I hope all future Jiaoqiu wanters will be jiaoqiu havers bc he’s fun to use. I especially love using him with dr ratio
Jiaoqiu replacing my guinaifen is something I'll never regret
Honestly I didn't pull Jiaoqiu because of Meta or Acheron or numbers. He's a fox male and I'm a whore. That's enough.
You understand me.
SO BASED
Absolutely dying laughing because of how called out I feel.
SAME BECAUSE WHY DO PEOPLE LOVE FEMALE FOXIANS WHEN WE COULD GET MALE FOXIANS!!
Amazing proclamation without hesitation...
Yunli's pull value is insane. I've been able to use her to beat literally all endgame content without any limited sustains. Even this PF I got 40K against Yanqing with her. So even though her numbers aren't the highest, she's still goated with the sauce.
Yunli and Acheron are probably the only 2 DPS in the game so far that can clear all 3 end game content with ease
I honestly wish I got Yunli. I hate how this community doomposts chars so hard. Ultimately my own fault for not getting her though.
@@riser7795 real. pretty much every feixiao clear on PF i've seen has either used hyperinvested supports or hyperspeed. You just need jiaoqiu for acheron and lynx/yunli LC for yunli and you pretty much clear PF easily
@@riser7795 I gotta say Feixiao is very good too. Ever since her release I comfortably clear all 3 gamemodes. She's surprisingly good in pure fiction due to her amazing synergy with Herta (tho we'll see how that goes with new pf in 2.7)
I’m ngl Arlan could probably clear PF with subdps herta. Only Yunli and Acheron can hyper carry all modes
I think people need to understand that spreadsheets and tierlists dont take comfort and ease of use into account.
Jiaoqiu's gameplay is Skill into Ult, thats it, you win, regardless of the situation, game mode or element weakness
I pulled for him despite people telling me not to, I found him viable in many, many teams. He’s actually really good in a firefly break team, I’m excited to play him with Fugue, Firefly, and Lingsha for a mono-pyro second break team :) meta riders would say that sucks but it works for me in most endgame so far so LOL
Jiaoqiu is such a gigachad. Great character, great gameplay, and honestly I am happier to get Jiaoqiu than getting Firefly. In the end you have to trust your own intuition, analyze your needs and use your own logic.
For me, Jiaoqiu was a must pull, and I do not regret it at all. In fact I´m happier to have JQ and I use him way more than I use Robin for example.
It is kinda funny think that in a game where there is constant power creep, Qingque teams still work cause you got a good run.
This also applies to Lingsha and the calcs saying she is 10% better than gallagher.
Yeah and now people are using her crit build a FUA abundance or even a FUA erudition unit because of how versatile she is
Lingsha is like the 3rd best DPS of the game
@@krazyaim FR, i feel like Lingsha role is not suppose to be replacing Gallagher, she's like Kokomi in Genshin where healer can be main dps too. So ppl who love to play abundance can main her.
At E0S0 she really is tho.
Sunday boss is literally pandering to her and Rappa. So if anything the 10% will be even more accurate as the time goes on.
@@promc2890I'm waiting to see how well will she fare after fire weakness becomes more rare(unlikely since HSR is pandering to firefly atm)
I stopped caring about calculations after Acheron's release because someone showed calculations that placed her below Jing Yuan. I always assume they're missing something and are far from accurate. It's already happening again with Fugue.
That's a problem with mains and stans pushing an agenda, not really a problem with calculations.
I haven´t seen many calcs or similar related to Fugue. But looking at her kit and what she does, I feel like I really do not want to pull for her at all. However calcs and shit are useless compared to trying the character and making your own judgement.
@@esaualfaro3447 funnily enough, fugue is doomposted mostly because she doesn't work too well with firefly lol. I'm not denying fugue needs tinkering but her kit right now is already very strong for almost all break dps except firefly
@@izzme5204 That´s more a Firefly problem than Fugue problem. Firefly basically only works with 1 very specific and strict team. If you remove any of Firefly teammates, you rather play Arlan at that point lol.
The amount of people saying E6 harmony mc with ddd is still better/slightly worse than fugue drives me nuts. After the whole jiaoqiu fiasco Ive completely stopped taking leakers and leak opinions seriously
jiaqiou is a weird char. he's absolutely fucking amazing with this one really good dps but he's.. THERE for others. I think what makes him less good in my eyes is that he isn't really WANTED by any other character except acheron. he WORKS with them and will give decent scores but there's always a char either A: almost as good but f2p or better but also premium.. he fails not as a char who can be good. but as a char who is desired..... all my problems would be gone if they either replaced the dot spect of his kit with better % or baked his e2 into his kit albeit weaker so he could also be in tri dot instead of gui or sampo and the official best DOT support instead of ruan mei and robin
I almost didn't pull for Jiaoqiu because of everyone telling me to save for Robin instead. I caved on the last day of his banner because it was my birthday and i decided i might as well pull for the sexy fox man because he's good with acheron.
and then he got his whole character moment in 2.5 AND my acheron can go crazy in pf now so no regrets (and i managed to win the 5050 on robin anyway so even less regrets)
JQ made my Acheron a PF demon. Using the herta shop LC and I constantly get full pf rewards without a single limited erudition character. That alone was worth it for me but ofc he’s good with her on all modes
Acheron JQ in the current PF easily got me 40k second half with a cycle left. DoTcheron barely gets 40k if im lucky.
This is a huge thing that makes me gas up JQ for Acheron havers. Pulling a support that not only improves Acheron in the game modes she’s already good in, but enabling her top performance in the game mode she struggled in is such good pull value. The alternative to JQ in this scenario is building up an entirely different team just to clear Pure Fiction, which can involve building up a few more characters at best, and pulling for a multiple new characters at worst depending on the account. If you have Acheron, JQ suddenly becomes the best character to pull for improving your account.
No one who does calcs say that they're everything. There are always disclaimers. A lot of them. It's mostly about some people who do not understand the calcs and its conditions, who just take the numbers they see it as gospel. An example of this is the Black Swan 10% meme. This was never claimed. The calcs for Sampo's best case scenario vs. Black Swan's aboslute worst scenario showed about a 10% difference. It was a purely single target calc, where I do not remember the other conditions.
Then people started spreading misinformation, and when this misinformation obviously showed to be--yes, misinformation--the meme was born.
FEIXIAO’S MALEWIFE WIN LETS GOO
Pulling him E2S1 for DoT and Acheron team, never ever regret the choice.
i regret not pulling jiaoqiu, i ended uo getting sparkle because i like her more, i knew he was better and he wouldve had more value on my account but i just love soarkle as a character
Me watching this as if I (A) Didn’t already have E1 Ruan Mei, Robin, and Sunday E0 S1 when he releases, (B) E-1 Acheron with no plans on pulling for her in the future, and (C) pulled him just bc I thought he was hot 🌚
it’s not just the jiaoqiu theorem. it’s the braindead community promoting oversimplified outlook to characters thru popular CC’s. the problem there is not the shared ideas, it’s the fact that people will just swallow whatever they’re given, not doubt the consistency of the given claims, or even raise new question that can further explore the character’s potential. THAT kind of community dialogue is needed. not to mention the fact that guides are a “one and done” thing, so it adds to the perception that if the initial impression is bad, then the unit is effectively bad by popular vote.
Its not an issue with the math or the tests or specific characters being "uncalcable". Testing improves with time. Jiaoqiu's performance CAN accurately be reflected on a spreadsheet and appropriately compared wirh other units. Its not that complex. Youll notice that after Black Swan went from beta to live, TCers adjusted their calculations and her performance is now a lot more accurately represented.
I like all character that do something when something happens. It makes gameplay more fun.
If you use Jiaoqiu in event that have "When you apply debuff your team deal more damage bla bla". Jiaoqiu will be very strong in that event.
As a Sushang main, yeah, calcs are good but not everything because god if only she managed to imitate them. She manipulate way too much her own AV to have a strict rotation you could apply on every floor, that always depend on ennemi how much time you take to break, do you will have chicken who will eat the speed buff or not and what speed the mob when I will lose my -15% AV
Not on dmg calc but you have the idea, a calcs from the moment where you have assumption is subject to failur and so need to be take carefully with all context around.
If Blackswan Arcana works like JQ Ultimate Debuff (counting the stack for Archeron when enemies turn). BS will be more valuable than JQ. But this game mechanics are being mean for the old character, so yeah. JQ better support because getting support from game mechanics is not pure from potential characters.
I'ver regretted pulling some units. Jiaoqiu isn't one of them. He provided what I expected and more and I am content that way.
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Great analysis.
Lingsha is another example of this. People say "she's barely an upgrade over Gallagher" when in reality at her worst- and his best-case scenario, she *is* still an upgrade and she also goes into literally any team with being best in slot for superbreak specifically.
Yes, Aventurine outperforms her in Feixiao FuA, but if you don't have him, she's the best replacement, you won't have any issues running her and she also goes into any other team (plus the team-cleanse that works even to break herself out of CC is unique).
Lingsha is good but she ain't worth your pulls considering Gallagher is free and only needs e2 to function properly
Another thing is that Lingsha is not an upgrade in SP funneling or holding (abusing) quid pro quo. These things should be accounted for as well.
Numbers may lie to me, but my anime waifus never will.
Because of this, I've had zero issues with the End Game. Pulling for units I would enjoy vs Meta doom posting has helped me a lot. Looking at my overall roster before planning a pull.
Recent DoT PF case. I have E0 Acheron no SC. I used Kafka E0S0, RM E0S0 and Linsha E0.
Was told she was mid compared to Gallagar and that Rappa was nerfed.
Cleared easily with Rappa/Gallagher part 1 and Acheron team 2.
Anyways, just glad you covered this. Too many get caught in the calc trap. Then regret pulls.
I also bring up Kafka as she is no nearly as paired with Acheron E0S0 and I was told she can only run with 2 nihility to make Acheron worth it.
I missed BS & JQ but didn't want to go all in for Acheron or a DoT team at the time.
Hopefully, DoT gets a revival. I love my lil gui.
Speaking of the gamble gremlin... the beauty of her comes from screwing the calc and going all in. Once you win that 1% chance, it will feel great... now i have to pull that off 7 more times because Mihoyo is printing dolla- I mean increasing HP.
>Why calcs aren't everything
>Validates certain characters as being underpraised because they have consistent performance (low standard deviation, which standard deviation is a calculation) as a benefit
Great job...? You're not exactly saying anything anything that the other major HSR videos and character reviews aren't already mentioning.
Do they gloss over all the specific caveats/intricacies during the review? Yes, for the sake of brevity, because generalizations are assumed. Nothing is exactly stopping a run from just ending because multiple enemies kept targeting the Tingyun on your team before the healer got a turn to restore health, random chance is random chance. But Tingyun being fragile isn't exactly relevant when talking about the strengths she provides as a 4-star harmony unit that's otherwise easy to utilize and generally useful for directing energy towards specific characters.
Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to be very consistent in DoT/debuff application uptime, specifically because of the zone/field he creates.
Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to be very ideal for Acheron due to the high rate of debuff application and the dmg vulnerability favoring ultimate damage sources.
Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to not exactly be a Nihility DPS monster without eidolons, due to generally unfavorable dmg multipliers on his baseline E0 kit.
Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to still be pretty decent on a variety of teams that would like a support that's generally SP positive, since generic damage vulnerability applies well to most team comps (what team isn't trying to scale damage output in some way...?)
Jiaoqiu has already been mentioned to still be pretty good even without signature lightcone, since Solitary Healing from SU is effective in Pure Fiction, and Resolution Shines as Pearls is generally good everywhere.
Jiaoqiu pretty much has the same kind of universal application as a Pela. Dmg amp that exists as a debuff on enemies, builds for as much speed on gear with some effect hit rate, generates skill points, mostly will try to get an early Ult off but otherwise is tuned to only need to basic attack between Ults, and also doesn't provide a lot of self damage, even though certain traces would suggest they could DPS. Likewise, Pela's already been discussed and the teams she excels at are already pretty well known. Jiaoqiu is retreading a very similar ground, but with several benefits over Pela (or used alongside).
Pela isn't the best partner for Firefly/Rappa, but Break still scales with defense shred, and if you have Harmony MC but not Ruan Mei, then Pela does work as Ruan Mei substitute. The same logic applies for where Jiaoqiu fits. He's only BIS alongside the nihility Acheron team, but that doesn't mean he's useless elsewhere, and nobody says that of Jiaoqiu, or Pela, or other characters.
It’s not only spreadsheet problem
It’s also beta testers that usually test in endgame content with blessing that favor a character
If the test was already baised toward Acheron then it will not show the real value of JQ when compared to Guine
Same for Sampo/Blackswan
Same for Clara vs Yunli
The JQ situation I would say is similar to Qingyi in zzz when on release was seen as a minimal upgrade over her archetype (and as I had all the characters on that archytype) I skipped Qingyi, only to realize that yes she might do the job at a similar speed if 1- the enemy is not moving 2- enemy not aggressive 3- if it’s a single target
If the conditions is the opposite Qingyi will be the best out of all her other fellow characters in her archytype which is what most game are (moving enemies, multiple enemies and most enemies are aggressive) so I fall for the testing and pre release/post release compassion and did not pull Qingyi, however my friend was smart enough to convince me to get Jiaoqiu and after I tried him I convinced my other friend to get him too
I thought Jiaoqiu will be tied to acheton (which is true) however I did try him with Dr ratio in previous AS and it did better than when pared with topaz in that scenario, and surprisingly enough my fasted fight against hoolay was with Jiaoqiu/topaz, a 4 cycle clear
Not the HagRizzler and then bro has Jade Lingsha and RuanMei😭
shh
I used to say why would anyone want Aventurine over HuoHuo, her buffs are better for duo dos teams on paper. But thats when i realized i was getting destroyed by enemies having cracked movement spds, and alot of debuff spam. This is definitely true with the current MoC with Hoolay, and the new pf in side 2, and AS in a nutshell
I don't have acheron, and i randomly got jiaoqiu in 7 pulls, idk i just felt like rolling that day. Its cool, sure i don't have his best team but i slot him in in PF a lot because of buff uptime usually with yunli and robin. He is a good flex character who i can just plug and play, helps that he is SP friendly too.
The one thing I see a lot of people overlook when comparing Jiaoqiu to Guinaifen and the trend lightcone is that his debuff/dot DOESN'T count as burn when applied, meaning it bypasses any burn res/immunity.
The strength of characters has always been misreported during the beta phases because most people who doompost do not understand the game to the degree needed in order to come up with good arguments. I distinctly remember someone who argued that Furina was underwhelming compared to Nahida, which was wrong on paper and in practice. However, I think HSR units often end up clashing with the game's limited sandbox given the skill, ult, basic model. Jiaoqiu is unquestionably solid, but you'd be hard pressed to find one of his mains that doesn't wish for a bit more interactivity in his kit. I know yunli gets brought up in these conversations because she's a strictly better version of Clara, but yunli demands that you pay attention to enemy action orders to get peak value out of her. Given the way JQ's kit works I barely need to pay attention to what he's doing, simply because his debuffs are that straight forward. I'm in the camp that he's extremely uninteresting as an addition to the sandbox, especially compared to other buff statue units like robin and ruan mei who are so transformative beyond being good stat sticks.
Real Jiaoqiu Theorem:
Have a unit with one of the worst techniques in the game.
A unit with nothing but vulnerability.
For some reason this unit's signature light cone applies vulnerability equivalent to 50-70% of what the unit does (strongest support s1?).
For the same reason this unit has one of the strongest e1 in the game.
Surprisingly, this unit's e0s0 is just terrible outside of his niche, but his e1s1 is comparable to the e1s1 of current harmony characters.
The unit's only niche is Acheron.
But people will still defend the devs for doing something really dirty and lazy.
There is no reason why Jiaoqiu should only synergize with Acheron, but he only synergizes with Acheron.
There is no reason to have such weak buffs in the base kit, but such strong buffs when invested.
There is no reason to be the embodiment of vulnerability and nothing else.
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He's also great for PF, Himeko, and sustainless teams in general, beyond just Acheron.
@@HalalBread1427 pf Himeko can run with every buffer
And sustainless teams are for some 0 cycle show offs, majority of players will never run them.
this literally happened with lingsha as well first didnt want to pull for her cuz according to calcs she was just 15% better than gallaghar but after i pulled her (cuz she is beautiful) man i think it was the best decision of my life she made my life in pf so easyy
So this is unrelated to the video, but I need to make a side note for people that like to read and participate in the comment section and don't know this.
I want to bring up a user by the name of wikidpsycokilla that keeps commenting on various waveman video. Their avatar is the kekistan flag, which is essentially a nazi flag reskin that has been adopted by nazis. So I would be very careful when interacting with them. Or better yet, don’t even bother and ignore them.
May be a bit off topic, but I managed my Yunli 3-man against Yanqing this PF with only 80% effectivr Effect Res. The effect res being mainly used to resist the Imprison from the Shadow and Freeze from Yanqing. Whatever the chances are of Yunli STILL seeing the CC effects, I don't know fully and I'm not about to find it out, but this brings me to my point:
On the other hand of calcs only showing the best case scenario, and the average case may (typically more often than not) be less than ideal, there's always people like me who want to fight for that miniscule chance to make it work.
Tbh I pulled him out of boredom and didn’t have Acheron but I feel the reason why his kit doesn’t seem to give a lot is because he just give QoL for Acheron in all game modes with stack gen also it feels comfortable for Argenti in PF but definitely wish he had some better debuffs
I only ever do calcs to compare gear for a specific character or to compare characters in a specific team. Any other calcs (especially the ones that try to compare the dmg of two totally different teams) use so many assumptions that I fail to see any practical use to them.
Jiaoqiu or Yunli, These characters have been underestimated and doomed post to the heart’s content since beta but their value drastically increases after people recognize how to use them properly.
Soon, Rappa will also join them after people know what Fugue is truly capable of and recognize how to play her comp.
It’s funny how Rappa’s current situation is upside-down after your previous analysis of her release just 3 weeks ago. This game meta future is quite unpredictable.
Jiaoqiu, my beloved. He's opened up so many possibilities for my account, enabling my favorite characters and becoming a powerhouse himself for DoT at E2S0. I'm so grateful to him!
Great video! Super informative of how thoughtless people are when it comes to just accepting what others say at face value as the truth.
I think you've got the wrong character for this Theorem.
As "versatile" as Jiaoqiu is, he's at most the 3rd best option outside of the Acheron teams. Honestly, his base kit has a lot of flaws, whether it's the very low base multipliers, the insignificant DoT without E2, or the fact that he only exists on the field to apply Vulnerability, with no real value beyond that if used without Acheron. They've created a character that practically depends on E1 and/or S1 to compete with other Supports outside his own niche. JQ only stands out in his own niche and is forgettable and replaceable by better options outside of it.
This Theorem should have been about Black Swan. The absurd miscalculation people made when comparing her to Sampo is one of the biggest scandals in the community to date. The calcs did not reflected practice at all.
No, Jiaoqiu is a very valid character to name this theorem. Mediocre numbers wise but so comfortable to the point it starts becoming one of his biggest benefits compared to other nihilities.
No one denies that Blackswan is a good DoT DPS, but she’s just that. She’s not even half a character outside of DoT when eidolons aren’t mentioned, and when they are, Jiaoqiu beats her in every metric at e6 while also having one of the best 5* LCs in the game.
The several cons you mentioned about Jiaoqiu are also 10x worse on Blackswan, let’s not kid ourselves.
Jiaoqiu is very easily Ratio's best debuffer, even surpassing topaz since the damage boost to Robin and Aventurine MORE than makes up for not having Topaz
aka Data is just that after all, and there’s context you need to be aware of to understand where the data is coming from, not just by looking at it at face value.
I’m going to be vague about it, but evidently this doomposting that happened with Jiaoqiu is happening with the next two characters coming up (those perhaps not as bad) and I am just miserable just seeing all the conversations happening. It makes me question how many people in this community actually know how HSR as a game and gacha works. I also wonder if people in this community actually do love powercreep and wish for it to be faster, which is depressing to think about.
Also, I think people then to call a unit “bad” when what they actually mean is that they find the character’s kit boring, which I definitely felt with the way people talked about Jiaoqiu when he was first released. Which I hate because being boring doesn’t necessarily mean they’re bad in terms of how powerful a kit they have.
Anyways, can’t wait for all of the doomposting for Sunday and Fugue when they release officially. /s
Let's all go to the lobby!
1:12 i know this is a meta thing but i think this is the reason why the erudition is the only Aeon in the universe
Qq imo should have dmg per skill point usage as well as the percentage chance of the scenario so people can decide based on their risk.
Jiaoqiu i knew was worth it coz my acheron uptime was so bad and gepard waa just dying with trend. But i prioritized robin since she is just robin
They doompost everyone 😢 it’s sad… I just got him cause he’s hot. And enjoyed using him so much I got his Lightcone and some Eidolons. And the 2.5 story I love him even more.
Not gonna lie Jiaoqiu got also screwed with Fei being next and good reruns being an option for that time
So prob most ppl just coped that hes bad so they wont need to pull like I did
But yeah Yunli, Jiaoqiu and Lingsha have rly fun possibilities, more interesting charas than Fei, Sunday or Fugue kitwise
But well looks sell, not gameplay
Me probably the one of the few people regret pulling him. He doesnt help my team at all. My account not having archeron just make him basically useless most of the time non of my character can really use him when there are better alternative
just use him with Dr Ratio team
@@Mimic_656ratio does almost zero ult damage, so the general vulnerability amplifies his damage by very little
TLDR calcs are just data, in order to draw useful info from data you need to know what the right kind of data is needed in order to support your hypothesis, and you need to know how to properly interpret and analyze that data. You basically have to have some semblance of analytical thinking in order to reliably use calcs
my fav team is aventurine acheron jiaoqiu and robin idk if hes “expensive” this team wouldn’t have felt good without him
If tierlist formats do not use T0-T3 or any x amount of value it would make sense. It's just stupid people getting riled up over stupid lists like prydwen's or some shit.
Characters in these games should be categorized in terms of versatility in game modes how they fare against other dps units within the same typing and path, flexibility in terms of team building whether they are niche or universal. You simply cannot quantify any of those with just a T and some numbers
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Aww man, my prediction was one video too early? But the same stats guys said Black Swan was only 10% better than Sampo
nvm you debunked that statement 😂
Theorycrafters are cool in concept, but so many of them are just absurdly biased towards or against certain characters. I genuinely believe most people should learn some more in depth mechanics then just look at numbers to come up with their own opinions.
I have E2S1 Acheron and E0S1 Jiaoqiu and damn she charge her ultimate fast af
Brother you took feelscrafters opinions and called it theorycrafters. Theorycrafters knew since the beggining he wasnt bad, just that he wasnt better than the supports we already had and thats a bad new unit, but he is still an excellent 3rd/4th choice outisde acheron
So yea taking the opinion of a few doomposters and calling it a theorem bc jiao is better than what the doomposters said is not sth really smart
Calc is short for calculator for anyone who just joined the stream
Calculation
You pull him for acheron thats about it
Goated video 🫡
If this is the case, then why test units in the first place? Why should we make an effort to collect data regarding unit performances in order to make an objective standard for people to look into?
People forget the fact that in gacha games, considering the nature of character and account progression, there's a lot of variance to be had, and I mean a LOT, with just item rolls itself. These numbers are supposed to provide CLOSE APPROXIMATIONS, not ABSOLUTES. People's misuse and misinterpretation of data analysis is not the results' fault. There is a reason why tier lists DO NOT and SHOULD NOT take subjective factors into consideration. If you're going to have a presentation solely focused on compiling data sets, that should be the only thing it contains.
Sure, maybe your Rappa outperforms your Firefly, or vice versa, but that's not the truth for other people, so there is no reason for numbers to care about things like this because they only serve to muddy the waters unnecessarily.
Edit: Essentially, there's practice, and there's paper. Stop critiquing practice at the lens of theoreticals, or vice versa. Otherwise, you'd be asking a monkey to fly.
Edit2: There's bias in everything, even in methods that attempt objectivity, especially tier lists. Your subjective experiences cannot hold water and will remain irrelevant to the discussion of numbers, if you're not part of said numbers.
it's funny people still believing anything from 'that' site
the false swipe gaming theorem videos having cross-fanbasial influence is CRAZY
This videos reminde of the theorem series from false swipe gaming
Help me with some Jiao teams, I love playing him but dont have Acheron. (Im using him with Ratio but would like more options)
Argenti, Himeko , You can abuse the fire weakness, surprising he works with BH if want to use with HMC and don't have RM..
I don't have any harmony trinity so...
I can vouch for his value..
Also I have given him pioneer set instead of DOT cause e0s1 so I can get more dmg out of him..
tbh if you are contemplating to think of a flexi unit or want to fill a slot in teams he fits (?)
@yourmissright7 thanks, I use him with argenti in pure fiction already and it's very good. Never tried with BH, guess it will be the next team I'll try then!
It was the right choice i pull for him over Black swan
Thinking doomposting is worse than overhyping a unit is kind of a red flag honestly. Neither is good of course but making someone who shouldn't pull, especially if they spend money to pull, is far worse. If the community doomposting a new unit causes someone to wait a week or two to pull that's not particularly bad in comparison. In most cases the most egregious claims fall flat in the first week of release anyway and all that's left is a bit of caution which is healthy, especially in a gacha game that is designed to make you spend unnecessarily. Obviously it'd be great if everyone was objective, but this earth...
Acheron is good in pf, firefly is good in moc, yunli is goated
PEAK GETS A THEOREM LETS GO
acheron is literally starting to fall off slowly in the current meta since feixiao's release because endgame modes are catering to feixiao and FF more. the only reason she's still up there and WILL be up there in the future meta is because of jiaoqiu. ppl were saying "jiaoqiu isn't needed, only a sidegrade" since acheron is already strong, but now she heavily relies on jiaoqiu to be able to keep up with the meta that's isn't catered towards her. and we're not even in 3.x patches yet but she's already struggling if you don't have her BiS which is jiaoqiu.
Jiaoqiu's "versatility" = being the third best option in a handful of teams. 🤣
He will be the fourth best amplifier in the game after Sunday's release, and that's being generous.
And even if that was completely true, the results very clearly tell you that Jiaoqiu is a very good unit. Hell, being the "3rd" or "4th" option in a game that has as many characters as Star Rail is by itself insane lol.
@@esaualfaro3447 That would make sense if he was a DPS but there aren't that many limited amplifiers in the game; in fact only 6 with the release of Sunday.
Being the fourth best (out of 6) it is absolutely nothing to bolster about, particularly when the difference between Robin and Sunday (best and third best amplifiers) would be less than that between Sunday and the rest of mediocre ones (Jiaoqiu, Sparkle, Silver Wolf) if you ask me.
I sure as hell wouldn't suggest anyone to pull for Sparkle or Silver Wolf in a rerun... and the same applies for Jiaoqiu, unfortunately.
His being a OP PF Support and even more for Acheron is already a big win.
Even considering that his kit is perfect for Robin combo in PF, buffing Robin and the DPS, which makes a 3 DPS Team if no sustain.
Honest to God jiaoqiu shows up in a significant amount of hypercarry teams like dr ratio and even seele. I've been using him with seele more often than sparkle. And with his sig he dunks on moze and hunt march in even feixiao teams and gives topaz a run for her money. I would always primarily recommend JQ for players with acheron but even without he genuinely provides a lot of value especially for anyone interested in doing 0 cycles. The combination of two harmonies and jiaoqiu is best in slot for an surprisingly high number of people considering how harmony buffs tend to diminish when you stack three of them. It's why pela was used so much in 0 cycles and jiaoqiu picks up right after her. Jiaoqiu also just synergizes incredibly well with both robin and ruan mei, having good toughness damage alongside amp that is useful in an increasingly higher number of aoe fire break shill fights for acheron or even himeko, as well as letting robin do significantly more damage with every tick while being a solid driver with constant attacks and ults + 4pc eagle. After pulling jiaoqiu and his sig I can attest that he shows up so much more often than just on acheron teams in practice. Outside of the characters I mentioned he's also best in slot for blade, near best in slot for yunli/in some situations beating out tingyun for her somehow. Sunday will push his way into a lot of standard hypercarry teams but yet again I think sunday and jiaoqiu synergize well on a number of teams and once again jiaoqiu will show up in 0 cycles with how splashable he is.
I will say, he is somewhat carried by how ungodly broken his sig is, 24% vuln is a war crime.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 Acheron is not in a stellar standing, if you ask me. She may very well be the third best Lightning DPS after 3.0 and she'll only falter more beyond that.
Black swan is 10% better than Sampo ? Sampo is better in single target and swan in aoe / boss+ some goons. I am a Sampo shill but that’s just silly. That’s simply just because of how their kits and playstyle work and I don’t need calcs to see that. I stopped taking most calculations seriously.
Another note though: Bronya vs sparkle calculations show Bronyas buffs are generally better. Sparkle is now officially used less than Bronya and Bronya is being used as much as she was in the 1.x versions.
I know that from genshin where some characters are hailed as extremely strong by theory crafters, but then if you look closer that strength relies on very specific stats and artifact sets, or nearly frameperfect execution of battle combos
People take calcs as gospel without learning about their assumptions and situations. People were claiming that Moze was 20% better than Topaz while citing calcs that they never identified.
But this is true, E0S0 Topaz is better than E6 Moze in Ratio team was cope, even Moze at E2/E4/E6 was same as E0S0 Topaz in Feixiao team.
Also before said I’m wrong, remember Hoolay have 20% Lighting RES and have fire weakness btw
Bro adds theorem into his title to just say the most obvious thing ever
Consistency win consistently
Did you post this video 3 months late or what?
While I lost my 50/50 to bronya on his banner, didn't regert not keep trying to farm jades for him since later i found both pela and little gui made him unnecessary to have and also if i want to debuffers he will only fit in one without the other which will make me in the end use any of the 4 stars mentioned above 😅😅
question how jiaoqiu better in break than robin? is it because vulnerability do affect break dmg but not dmg bonus?
yes and also jiaoqiu has a lot more toughness dmg thats guaranteed with ff implant
@@waveman047 oooh ok. I feel like thats a good way to incentivized the difference between harmony and nihility. like some buffs works for harmony but wont for nihility even if it looks like the exact same thing but switched up a bit. Note: would have been cool if nihility has stronger debuffs but harmony a lil weaker cause harmony u can use it for waveclear but nihility is more boss fight so smth could be overtime, the debuffs stacks up a lot and surpass harmony
@@duongnguyen-s1iEven Ruan Mei's kit doesn't fully buff Super Break and Break.
DMG% = Doesn't affect Break and Super Break
Efficience Increase% = Affect Super Break
PEN% = It's a Elemental RES debuff in form of a buff so affects Super Break and Break
Break% = Affects both
Nihility normally has a nature synergy with Break. That's why before Black Swan. Break DoT for DoT was the way to go.
@@mauriciorosademoraes9209 effiency does increase break though cause in the dmg calculation, the attack toughness reduction and ruan mei increases that. dmg% is there so she can be flexible outside of break. pen% im not sure but im pretty confident her efficience increase% does buff superbreak dmg
@@duongnguyen-s1i yeah, but not a directly damage increase, also, you can cover that by using a decent correctly element char in the team (like HMC + Rappa or when hoyo decides to make a Boothill support). Efficience only increase the damage of SuBe.
he's an acheron bot, that's it. He's usable with Yunli, Argenti and DoT, mid everywhere else. In MoC and AS, he's used in a single one of the top teams, on Acheron teams. On this PF, he was also used with Kafka/Swan, and with nobody else. He's like a bike, can take you anywhere you want, but if you have the option of either car, train or bus, you're leaving your bike at home or not even buying one at all. Pushing this analogy further, in this game, where a bike and a car(Robin) have the same price, why would I buy the bike? I don't think its even that bad that he's mid, it slows down the powercreep, but lets not pretend he's that "secretly OP character that everybody sleeps on", the calcs were absolutely right in this case
Still bricked af for 5 straight beta nerf
i pulled for jiaoqiu cause hes hot and basic
*cough cough* Fugue soon
I'll never forget the losers saying Gallagher is better than Lingsha lmao
I gotta be honest, your QQ reasoning is kind of goofy, just because she’s a little more random than your usual RNG doesn’t make her calcs completely usurp
Pretty disappointing compared to your usual theorems
At the end of the day, probability can be accounted for and calcs can accurately simulate gameplay with enough work
Hi, I would like to send you a private message, if possible and if you are interested of course. It's about my experience playing gachas as a woman or trying to communicate with the community that plays them. and also advice since it happens to me a lot that when I like a pj they don't have any support while those I don't like have everything. that kind of thing.
Why's this vid built like an analogue horror lol. Jk great video tho!
obviously my goat qq is better than acheron
i love theydies n gentlethems HAHA
I skipped Sparkle for Jiaoqiu back in 2.4 based on vibe and personality alone, even though at the time Sparkle is the “Meta” pick. After 2.5 story and current Sunday kit, I so glad I didn’t carried away by the doom-post, got so much used out of him and great characterization as well.
Sparkle wasn't meta in 2.4 tho
Flopkle was never meta lol she get like 1 patch of relevance with daniel until the inevitable acheron powercreep every 1.x dps and robin soon after being bis even for hypercarry make flopkle even more shit 😂
What is calcs?
calculations
Pulled Jiaoqiu and his signature largely because I'm a bisexual disaster and the mix of pretty fox man + gift for Acheron was too much to pass up.
The instant level of comfort and power he brought was really shocking though.
JQ on paper is not much better then pela but with the lightcone then hes just always better then pela
Jiaoqiu still really bad considering opportunity cost. His unique attributes already covered by trend and other debuffing units, and multipliers are not more significant. It can be the case that you are pulling out of ease of play, but if you can rival his utility by just putting in more effort into trend LC and other debuff units you are literally costing yourself a meta character.
If people have abundant resources he is indeed a good unit that does increase multipliers more than other units, but if someone is limited on resources (nearly everyone is) he is a marginal (~15%) upgrade that can be overcome with standard hard work.
No other debuffer is even close to JQ's strength.
Trend does not replace JQ because you'd rather run an abundance unit (lingsha and gallagher are just much better than every other sustain, including aventurine!) and once your account is old enough you don't even need a sustain for a lot of content.
The "15% upgrade" statement completely ignores how many more debuffs he applies, the fact his debuffs have 100% uptime, and his personal damage/toughness damage.
He's skippable without Acheron, which is fine, but Acheron herself is probably half as good without jq as with him (eg. e0 acheron + jq outperforms any e2 acheron comp without jq)
when it comes to acheron teams he is indeed a huge upgrade considering acheron will get her ult much faster which means more dmg but also trend is kinda unreliable since it is still rng and depending if enemies will hit the sustain wearing it and using acheron team without jq in pure fiction is just so slow and a nightmare. it's just so comfortable using him in an auto team with my e2 acheron, jq, sparkle and fu xuan team and I can sit back and watch enemies get obliterated by how fast acheron gets her ult back up.
@@ChucklinHSR Trend LC can only be proc once. Once an enemy had the fire DoT they can't proc it again.
Pela debuff doesn't last long and she can't recast it frequently.
Guinaifen can't achieve her highest possible vulnerability debuff as fast as Jiaqiou can in a non DoT team even in DoT team she'd need at least 2 turns before she gets her max stacks and her DoT too has to be recasted each time.
Silver wolf is single target and again her debuff has to be recasted.
Jiaqiou debuff easily stacks just by him using a skill or ult after that his debuff just spreads everywhere as long as your ult is up. He's basically the ONLY debuffer that has permanent uptime and you can even inflict his vulnerability debuff DURING the enemy's turn 6 times during his ult. His DoT DMG is good at killing low HP enemies too since it did a decent amount of DMG (around 15k without his signature or another debuffer like pela)
His DoT isn't a regular fire DoT so you can still stack fire DoT from trend LC or other sources (like weakness break etc)
@@SSBBGhost E0 Acheron + JQ does NOT outperform any E2 Acheron - JQ comp lol.
@@exu7325 Tell that to PF, which is the only content Acheron actually struggles with. E2 just makes her damage higher, and most of it is wasted against small mobs anyway.
Sorry man I can’t even watch this. Jiaoqiu is so ass and not even as good as RM, even though he came many months after. I’m so sick of the community gaslighting me about this. I love the character and he’s STILL BOOTYCHEEKS JUST ACCEPT IT
Skill issue
@@Mimic_656JQ gameplay is literally skil-basic-basic-ult-repeat. There's literally zero room for skill issue to interfere