TC Electronic AmpWorx - Premium Valve Amp Tones in Affordable Pedals?
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» 0:00 Intro Jam!
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» 1:24 Introducing the TC Ampworx Pedals!
» 3:35 Features!
» 4:09 Two Channels and a Boost
» 5:05 Cab Emulation?
» 6:20 Let's Hear the Jims 45!
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Hopefully we see a blind shootout between these, the Universal Audio pedals and the real amps
And the Iridium!
Add digital modelers for giga confusion!
Also ToneX Pedal, and QuadCortex. So far, I like the combination of Vox Silk Drive with Iridium's cab sim.
I've been using the ACS1 for about 6 months and am very happy how it sounds
And Simplifier deluxe
I ordered the Deluxe Ampworkx on Friday and it arrived 2 days later, great service. Plugged into a Headrush FRFR 108, set TC for a 100% clean tone with Bright OFF, Gain at 5, Level 10, Bass 6, Middle 4 Treble at 5. Reverb 4. First impression: very impressed as I like a Princeton/Deluxe clean that can take pedals. Sounded great with a Tele and also Humbuckers. For years I have been using a Tech 21 Blonde as a DI pedal platform. While the Tech 21 is probably a little warmer, the bang for buck is good with TC. I wasn't overkeen with the OD sound (it wasn't terrible), I have a Fulltone Fulldrive 2 which works well in front (along with a T-Rex tremster). I feel I could do an 'ampless' gig with a monitor and this DI'd. Not a lot of cash to outlay, I was considering a Princeton Tonemaster and also had my eye on an Iridium, I'll not bother with either at the moment. Worth a punt, and I haven't tried it into a DAW yet.
tbh, it being just the one sim is fine by me. I feel like as time goes one, I'm just more interested in my amp having it's own personal character, and if it means just the one or two channels, that suits me more than menu scrolling through a thousand (still very nice crafted) IR's.
Wow, pretty good EC/Blues breaker sound on the JIMS (Marshall that is !) Colour me intrigued , great video guys, like the affordability factor most of all!
Thanks guys for the great demo! And thanks to Andertons for putting these on sale (January 2024), I purchased 2 of them (shipped to the USA, your sale made it cheaper than buying here!) and they sound wonderful! Because these units are specific to a certain amplifier, I feel the physical experience of plugging them in meets the experience of plugging into a specific amp in a more direct way than going through a menu searching for an amp on a more pricier pedal. One pedal is designed to deliver a more Marshall experience. OK, I'm in. The other is designed to deliver a more Fender experience. I'm totally in. The Vox too. Two of these pedals are cheaper than the UA pedal, and thus, I purchased two (I already had one before the Anderton sale). I record music into my laptop. I have good amps, and good microphones, but sometimes, I just need to go direct into the soundcard. Nothing, before these boxes, was satisfactory to that end. These units sound sooooo nice in my laptops DAW! Gamechanger? YES!! In a big way!! Thanks und danke schön, TC Electronic! Thank you Anderton!!
Fender is missing out by not releasing one of their own with selectable models like a bassman, super, brownface etc.
That would be a great product!
True dat! They already make the Tone Master (Bater) series amps. I'm sure there are enough bright minds at Fender that can shrink it down to pedal format (sure, not with ALL bells and whistles but the core sound) maybe license it to Boss again or MXR 😁
@quiksilver78 cool. Fender makes their own pedals, they just haven't gotten around to doing these ones yet
If they want to enter quickly in the game, they will need to do a collab (and the best one around for it is BOSS). I don't think they have the knowledge at this time.
@@vanlopes1687 Ummm, didnt Fender already do a collab with Boss several years ago....
@@rogiemac They did. Bassman 59', Deluxe Reverb 65' & Spring Reverb 63'. The two's kinda first gen of amp sim in pedal format.
very stright forward wysiwyg and fair priced.. maybe for some lacks of some features, but i think it's a solid release very much needed for the "post Tore" tc electronic era. Hope they keep developing this series in the future.. i will give de Fender style one a shot!
Thanks for doing this demo. It’s the only useful one I’ve found up until now as you really go into detail and run it through its paces. A little joking around is welcome but at times it detracts from understanding what is being explained……unfortunate because I really wanted to listen.
Jims 45 sounds awesome. Didn't realise it was also known for good cleans. What's happening in the digital pedal world is very interesting. Tech is advancing really fast and prices are dropping very quickly . Great review as always
I got one and it's great for pushed clean sounds and for taking other pedals. I wouldn't recommend it for higher gain sounds, it gets pretty flubby
Technology is moving so quickly - this seems like a good way to bring prices down in the world of £350 amp in a box pedals.
Exactly this. The best part of being digital is that it will cost less and less, and sounding better every time
if technology is going on moving this speedy, you can expect in 5 years they will be able to create the sound of 1965 amps quite
passable...
UAD is currently running a sale on those pedals, probably because of the pricing of those TCs
@@toledo2983in five years?! You can have that NOW. The sound is already there, it’s the playing feel that isn’t quite.
@@CCovers1 what i wanted to say, since 60 years we HAVE amps that have the playing feel AND exactely sounds available.
I cannot believe, that people will give all their energy to replicate existing sound for another 60 years.
who will want ford to replicate the model t car still today? with exaxt sound and feel?
UA was always out of my price range. Glad these exist now
Love yöu guys, still great after long time jamming tha.ks a lot greets from Austria
Great sounding and at a reasonble price 👍
I have got the Boss FBM-1 and FDR-1 pedals that were released years ago. I really like them because they are great practice tools. So these new TC pedals make sense to me.
I got the jims 800. I love it. I need to get a few more of these pedals.
I am LOVING this new found humor in these recent episodes :)
Cheers!
Can you use these with a normal tube amp like a Marshall DSL5?
The channel switching is a great feature separating these from the Joyo series; however, at $30USD two would still be cheaper for a dual channel.
Will these work like a good old stompbox in front of a cheap solid state combo amp on clean channel? Or only to be used direct/cab sim, or in fx loop of a tube amp? 🤷♂️
The AC-30 has a beautiful clean tone. My biggest gripe with almost every modeler out there is that they completely ignore it. You don't HAVE to crank it.
combo deluxe sounds good and for that price its a win !
My Tech21 PSA 2.0 works great for an amp pedal, that can do many amp tones. Much more portable than the PSA 1.1 I had back in the day.
That's so much better, it's analog.
This is exactly what I need
I reviewed these pedals as well, and the two channels on the unit are not the same guys.
Green channel Jims 45 : JTM45 with a PPIMV at 50%
Red Channel : JTM45 original with no master volume
Green Channel Combo Deluxe : Normal channel of the Deluxe 65
Red Channel : Vibrato channel of the Deluxe 65
I cant remember the variations of the DC30 but they are different channel as well.
It’s all written on the user guide …
Is there any reason why the DI out could not be used to (with the right cable) as an external mic input for a mobile phone? I'm thinking for quick, portable demos you could have phone video and then a higher quality audio coming from the ampworx.
Can these be used as a simple pedal in front of an amp?
@Peter: Jims45 is based on our common friend Soren Andersens original ´65 JTM45.
Might just buy one for the hell of it. Might be a good rehearsal tool.
Can’t wait for a UA Ruby vs DC30 shootout!
Hello from Sweden! I just love Tc Electronics pedals. Thanks for doing this video
Would be interesting to plug the 65 into a 65 drri and see how close you can get to the real deal vintage
But how works with reverb or delay? you loose the IR SIM if you put in the normal chain
Hi Guys, one important question..of all the pedal amps simulator you've tried, which one do you think has the most dynamics under your fingers?
Thank you !
ps
UAD, dsm & humboldt simplifier, Tc electronics, Iridium, Vicotory I really don't know. The problem here is not the sound but the dynamic, if you can please help me about this point :)) !
The 65 one should be really intriguing for the guitar player who play small gigs as rhythmic guitar player with a clean/semi-clean sound with just a bit of reverb to make it pleasent and not too dry. You would basically need just the two cables, the pedal itself and maybe a power bank to power it, it would all fits in the guitar gigbag.
Jims45 update is an effective DI upgrade. Small Gig package -> Jims -> HOF -> PA and you are ready for a gig if you use your guitar volume 👍
But... if one was to set up the red channel, then go to the green channel and set that up with all knobs slightly different vs red. Then back to red and slightly adjust one knob. Do the other settings (the ones differing between red and green) then change to where the knobs were for the green channel? Seems like it could become a bit of an issue
Now all we need is a company that can make 500 watt speaker cabs the size of a rubiks cube! cos lugging around 4 by 12's is a pain in the ass.
Sad that the DC30 didn’t sound very good IMO, but the Fender style one was great. Might grab one to replace my American Sound
I think it sounded as good as the Joyo AC Tone to be honest which is good because I had the UAFX Ruby '63 and sold it because I much preferred the AC Tone :D
Can the output go into a regular speaker cab, like the Orange Terror Stamp?
I've had my 65 for about 6 months now and I love it. The cost to features are great and the firmware update has fixed the small issues there were. That being said, I disagree with Captain as the 2 channels definitely have a 2 separate voicings. Red definitely breaks up quicker and has some more push. Green is crystal clean. The only thing cleaner I own is the clean channel on my Orange Crush.
I love my amps. These sound killer. Let us all have both.
Unless I missed this - can you use both outputs simultaneously? Eg one into an amp and the cab simulated one to the PA at the same time?
Yes. You can use them at the same time.
@@jacobmller5278 many thanks
I like the combo deluxe. Still think I prefer the UA dream 65. But this is a great price.
Yeah. The UA certainly has way more features. For me if they’re even close in sound quality this works for me. I use a ‘68 deluxe and I want something I can just set similarly and drop it under my pedalboard for those times I don’t want to use the tubes. So the UA’s features are kinda lost on me. Justifies the price difference though.
Agreed. I’ve been touring with a UA Dream for about a year and a half now…and while I do love it, there are times when I wish I could go into a real cab/power amp pedal on stage while still sending the cab sim to front of house. If this can do the Fender thing anywhere near as well as the UA, that alone might give it a leg up for me. Not to mention the price!
This is like strymon iridium getting chop out into 3 section...well done tc
5:30 Joke's on you, Pete, I already LIKED the video before watching!
Come on guys, get to the 1M. I need my Klon pedal🤣 Holland? The pedals look good and for most of us would do the biz. I bought an amp in a box pedal a few months ago. Fine in a mix but I tend just to just plug into an amp. Habit maybe.
These are a bit like the Mooer micro Preamps, just in large and probably more up to date.
I know Pete said it's not possible to load IRs, but I'd like to know if it's possible to load IRs.
Dabbled with the Boss IR-2 but couldn’t get the sounds I liked and ended up going down the IR rabbit hole. Sold that bad boy and have a JIMS 45 en route. I’d take one well crafted amp over 000’s of options any day of the week. It’s all about spending more time playing and less time fiddling and reading forums 👀
These are cool indeed, but very very happy with my Tone-X pedal...
For anyone wondering what konvolutt is, its an envelope.
Effects loop for spring reverb, etc…?
So, it’s a digital amp simulator with vintage look and interface.
Why buy this instead of a do anything digital multi effect? Just for the vintage look?
15:06 Love you Pete 😂😂
I can't find them on your website?
Man at this rate my next amp might be a pedal, holy
What kind of guitar is Danish Pete playing? It sounds off the chain!
Howdy Andertonsians. How about this for an idea for a vid.... What was for the following Andertonians, Captain/Pete/Rob/Digital John/Rabea/Dave/Queenie their best ever guitar tone that they ever experienced? Where, how, What gear was involved? What was the situation room/ venue/ studio/ arena/ headphones? No budget, just the best sound they have ever achieved.
There is new firmware updates for all of them... would be nice to have a new comparisson , or new examples now🤘
10:45 Bravo Pete! 🤣
nice playing on the intro. DI sound is great.
The JIMS could have done with some presence adjustment via the screw control on the back - it sounded horribly fizzy to me. Though the drive sounds on the other two weren’t great either.
It does have a presence control on the back (9:07) and yes it sounded fizzy to me as well, and I think it was cranked?
Would have liked to hear what they sound like direct into an amp. That speaker sim does not sound great to my ears.
Just like the Strymon Iridium, these pedals are all very wooly and bass emphasized to the point that they become nearly unusable through an FR/FR cab or into a PA for live use. You can turn the bass control all the way down and they are still wooly and flubby on the bottom end making them unacceptable as a direct in option. Through a guitar amp return they are OK but still push far too much low end and end up compressing the power amp to the point of making it sound flubby and too compressed. That isn't how old vintage tube amps sound in real life unless they are cranked all the way up and are run through crappy speakers. I hear exactly the same problems with these Amp Works pedals as I heard and experienced with the Iridium which I had to get rid of after only a couple weeks of use due to it's failures and unacceptable tone as a direct in solution. That said, on headphones, or for recording tone these are actually pretty good. You can carve out the wooly flubby bottom end in the DAW to get a nice crisp tone. But for live use I think these really miss the mark. No one wants a woofy flubby guitar tone in a live band environment. You want mids and highs to punch through and nothing on the bottom to interfere with the bass guitar and kick drum. Neither Pete and Lee acknowledged the clipping and spitting that happened every time Pete played a lower chord or note on the higher gain settings. It wasn't clipping on the source recording either, it was the bottom end pushing so hard that it was clipping and impacting the mids and highs inside the pedal. Disappointing as otherwise I think these pedals are a great concept. The only one that sort of got into the right ball park was the 65 deluxe pedal, but even that one has overly emphasized bass end, far more than the original combo amp would ever have even cranked all the way up.
Could you run the non-DI out into an IR loader like a Two Notes Cab M+?
Yes
yes, or the TC IR loader.
When TC puts these in the Plethora, they'll be unstoppable.
Yeah If they do it I’ll be really happy
When TC puts more plethora in plethora
For the Combo 65 (Fender emulation), why not demo a good clean sound? Seems every review I've seen so far, the demonstration turns the gain up. Why?? Did TC Electronic fail in setting the output/volume/level too low that reviewers have to to turn the gain up that much? It's distorting the sound. What is going on here?
Apparently, most people won't notice how horrible it sounds.
Hope everything is okay at home Pete
Maybe I missed it but what is the output (watts) of these pedals when you put them through a cab? I can’t find this info on your website either.
It’s a pre amp not a power amp, so you would need either a separate power amp to drive the cab or a powered Cab like a PA speaker or FRFR speaker.
@@peterjessop1878 So not the same as the Laney ironheart amp pedal. Just when I hear “amp pedal” that’s what I think.
@@doegywhail728 correct! the Laney is a true amplifier with a power amp onboard.
How come there is no vibrato ?? Wasnt ut a vibrator on the deluxe ???
Note REMOTE JACK for the channel switching, no MIDI. So, there's no way to switch the pedal with my HX Effects. Otherwise, they would be a perfect match, but that's a no-go.
And why does the Fender pedal come with a Celestion IR?
What's the riff @ 29'30?
we need to hear these vs the ua equivalent please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had the UA Fender for a week, I didn´t like it at all, so I am a little afraid to jump on a new one.
Good day, and thank you for your excellent video! I think you all are mistaken about the red and green channels not being voiced different. Per TC Electronic's manuals, each pedal's green channel is supposed to have a lower gain structure and their corresponding red channel is supposed to have a higher gain structure. May you confirm this on your end?
Makes me chuckle that most of the time the boss gets the prices wrong! Lol
Pete’s analogy 😂😂😂 Also did I detect what he really thinks about these pedals cross his face towards the end of the video 🫤🙄😏
So, can I load my own impulse responses into this?
That was answered in the start of the video. Its a NO.
@@qddk9545 you missed the joke :)
Great for those of us with option paralysis on DAWs, but I’m hearing that digital Fizz that plagued the Tonemasters I’ve tried and other modelers.
Lee and Pete didn’t appear too excited. Maybe it’ll take some firmware updates.
but can I just plug these into the front of an amp?
hate watching this channel's NEW videos sometimes, always excited then search... cant find in canada yet. Also do these pass through ground on the DI output? If I want to use the fx-loop but also play with headphones, I usually have to plug any ampbox type thing into an amp to ground it, elsewise I get shocked due to pedalboard running on 1spots ( i assume). I have only the DSM-Humboldt simplifier, and I have to plug that into an amp(plugged in but turned off) with the "through" output to ground it, eliminates buzz as well as shocks from the bridge occasionally (if using pedalboard)
I'm a bassplayer. I wish TC Electronic made an upgrade their TC SpectraDrive with CabSim or more pedal AmpWorx for bass
A bass directly in their cab sim box sounds very good.
What guitar model is Pete playing?
Pretty sure it's a Chapman. I often wish they would list the guitar used on these demos. 🎸
Fx loop would be nice.
Maybe next run?
Yeah! That's a dealbreaker for me here.
I mean, of course you can allways feed the cab sim out into your time based fx pedals and feed their output into a deskmixer and then grab your monitor/headphone signal from said mixer. But it's making the headphone out on the TC unit basically useless. Weird . . . . .
Pete-"... Or just buy an amp..."!
😂😂😂
The idea is intriguing and I could easily live with the Jims plus one great 4x12 Greenback IR. But the entire demo sounds “farty”. So I wonder if it is the pedal, the IR or the recording? Also watched the Sweetwater demo and the sounds are still not convincing to me.
That's what I thought. That speaker sim does not sound great to me.
Sounds a bit flat to me. But these things are cheap. Don’t need to sound perfect as they aren’t meant to. I think they’re meant to be like a backup to throw in your bag if anything goes south, which is fine.
I’m holding out for trying a cab sim pedal or an IR pedal with it to get a sound I prefer.
However, these seem useful for live use OR recording demos. I already ordered the Combo Deluxe. I can’t wait to try it out.
They sound very fizzy, and not in a good way. And not being able to choose your own IR is a major fail. Also, the Chapman guitar seems to be consistently going out of tune. Very disappointing.
I fully agree on the guitar part. I think the strings were brand new, not broken in yet and not stretched enough. Hence the tuning issues, and also much of the fizzyness I suppose. Can't be that three different products have this kind of sound issue built into them. Not with TC - Electronic at least.
Wonder how does it compares with Nux amp academy
Trust me, the Amp Academy is way better in every aspect & more. I have one & have recommended to 3 of my guitarist friends & they all are so very happy with it. The biggest one is that the Amp Academy has an effects loop. And remember, the Amp Academy & the Ampworx, are priced almost the same. Not to mention that the Amp Academy gives u up to 12 different amp sim & IRs & u can have up to any 6 of them (3 clean type amp for channel A & another 3 for the dirty amp for channel B) plus several types of reverbs, compressors, drives pedal sim, graphic eq, a really great noise gate & 3 scenes for each of the two channels.....Now tell me if that is not better than the Ampworx....The most important thing is that the Amp Academy really sounds great & feels good under the fingers....But, whatever it is, these are just my 2 cents....🙏
The 45, one of my favorite Marshalls, sounds good not quite like tubes but not digital sounding like some boxes. At home I run my modeler through Amplitube 5 cabinets and room which sounds better than the onboard cabinets of the GT-1.
I can’t be the only one who doesn’t think these sound very good right? They’re passable but at that point just go with the mooer amp sim pedals.
I'm with you - these sound like raspy, farty rubbish. Really don't know what all the positive commenters are hearing! Gutted, because they could have been a brilliant budget-ish alternative to the Strymon/UA/Walrus offerings. I'm going to stick to my Joyo American Sound and AC Tone for now... :-(
Do these have a power amp? Ie. Could I use this as an actual amp with just a speaker cabinet?
No, you need to run via the DI output to a powered PA type speaker, or via the normal output to an efx loop in, in a tube amp (preferably).
@@qddk9545 Thanks, do you know if tgeres such a thing as a small pedal type amp that I could use as an all inclusive amp (provided I have a speaker to plug it in)? I'm poor and I can't be taking my 1950s Magnatone for rides to jams anymore. It needs to enjoy its retirement for recording only.
@@sesa2984 Yes I do: Harley Benton GPA-100 (cheap, but good reviews), EHX 5mm, EHX Howitzer (includes pream), Mooer Baby Bomp, Orange Terror Stamp.
Thank you. I appreciate your time.
This seems very good to me... I have a question... after this preamp you can go directly to a PA? or you need a cab simulator? many thanks
You just plug it straight into the PA
I dunno about these ones.. just something about the gain of them. They go very.. fuzzy? Farty? Rough? All three of them in the same way, too.
Very tech21 they did the first ones
How nice if the two channels could be ganged together to act as a single stereo channel, simulating a pair of amps. Might need some re-wiring inside to permit the two outputs to act as L and R, but being able to take those outputs and feed them straight into a front of house stereo pa would be great.
Nice....
Why the mini usb though. 🤦♂️
RED/GREEN LED... F great.... Im colourblind cant see the difference ! thx TC, other than this a great product
So could you just put headphones straight into this ?
Yes you can.
What annoys me about most of the amp sim pedals is that they model the same amps all the time. IE a Vox, a Marshall and a blackface Fender. Unless you buy a proper amp modeller like a helix or axe fx there are no Mesa, Orange or Soldano sims for example. Only one I’ve found that that at least covers some extra bases is the NUX Amp Academy.
Agreed, someone should make a dumble
I never get this. How do I plugg it in for a live situation?
Guitar, into Ampworx, Ampworx into PA… other pedals optional but not essential
@@andertons well, I will probably need to lug around two wedges then. The gigs I play….the P.A is usually from the Neolithic period.