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I appreciate the genealogy of high gain amps, it reminds me of the story how all 3d game engines can be traced back to Doom
Exactly! If it weren’t for John carmack, we wouldn’t have online competitive gaming.
In the same vein, if we didn't have Leo Fender, maybe metal as we know it wouldn't be around.
@@thisguy2973 surely someone would have invented it eventually, dont be naive :p
Nice history lesson! I like how quick and straightforward it was.
I used to run live sound at a college venue, and I was always jealous of bass players who could show up with their whole rig in a gigbag and still sound awesome going direct. I'm glad it's a realistic option for guitarists to do the same now.
That little dinosaur plant pot is lovely!
As for the pedals, they seem really neat! I like the thematically-appropriate knobs. An Orange-flavoured one of these seems like a good idea to me, given there seem to be fewer ways of getting Orange tone without getting the amps themselves.
These pedals really are THE thing... nice work TCElectronics and thankt to you to shout them out... and now to the Discord cavern
Thanks for this review Colin. There are some other good reviews on YT but the comparison is great.
Pretty smart for tc to launch these. I've seen people wishing ua, sttrymon and other companies did higher gain models also
I LOVE THAT YOU CAN SELECT PRE OR POST ON THE BOOST OF THE JIM'S 800
I really appreciated your comments about having a physical interface to mess around with for guitar sounds. Thanks!
Absolutely rippin units! Also, I love your playing style.
6505 was my fave. In-person, the best amp I ever played was the 800, but maybe I should give 6505 a look one of these days.
That's great bro, nice content! Wish me luck!
I first got into this series of pedals through their classic series of amp models like the Classic 65, and I'd love to see you tangle with those as well for some vintage sounds.
10:40 this is the proper way to test an amp. Thank you!!!!!
Fantastic video!!!
Nice history and genealogy class !
Tune that fucking guitar man!
The pedals are awesome but give me a rockerverb all day long.
Some great sounds sir and a crackin vid as ever
When I've been to a local metal gig and thought "that's a great guitar sound" I've looked on strange and most of the time I've seen a 5150. I'll never use one on a gig myself, but I've always wanted one to have access to that sound. I might grab one of these.
Colin saying Jay challenge: impossible. 😂 Seriously though, great video :D good history lesson.
you are the reason I bought a wreck lol Love your channel
I never personally thought of the JCM800 as a high gain amp. I'm just so used to a cranked boosted 5150 or rectifier.
Right? IIRC, late '80s / early '90s most guys talked about having to "find a good Marshall" because the consistency wasn't great, and then you still had to mod the thing. And then the 5150 and Dual Rectifier came along and I forgot all about Marshall.
I would have picked the Soldano SLO 100 before the JCM800 and I gigged for years with a 2204 50W JCM
yeah, the JCM800 has slightly less gain than the og dual rec,
and both offer under half the gain that a mark4/5 or 5150 have on tap.
Modded 800s are where the high gain lives. Many people assume the OG and a Mod are the same beast.
Great pedal concept, can't say I'm in love with the sound though. It all sounds rather thin and harsh to me, but maybe they'd sound better in the room, idk. Excellent review as always though Colin.
Using your phone or anything except a guitar cab in room? Yea. It'll sound thin and harsh 🤷
@@J_____C I mean I'm watching this video in my home studio on Adams monitors so 🤷🏼♂️
I thought the mark series was basd on the Princeton?
I've been curious about the Deluxe 65 as a clean preamp for an ampless pedal platform rig. But nobody has tried putting a high gain pedal into it. I'd love to see how it takes the Revv G3 or G4.
I love these 3 amps (can't decide if I prefer the Marshall or the Peavey between them) but I'm that guy in the back who prefers to push a Sunn Model T into oblivion.
The 800 pedal… what boost circuit is that? Any chance it’s the same as the old TC boost+distortion pedal from the 80s?
I need to see more comparisons for these against a quad cortex,fender,or the real deal. If i can get 1 great sound that goes toe to toe and use my existing pedals for 200-300 instead of 1600$ for a fender tone master i will do it.
If I can get that Dual Wreck pedal to match the tone from my Joyo Zombie... Then I want it. The Zombie sounds amazing but it just isn't loud enough for band use unless I slave a bigger amp. That just quit working for some reason. Now all I get is a loud unrelenting screech when I use the preamp section of the Zombie with the power section of my 120 watt Randall rd120d
Hey Colin, I dunno if you're still doing the TATA videos but I've got a question I feel like you might have some insight on - I'm wanting to build an amp cabinet similar to a little Phil Jones Bass C4 that i used to have, using hifi subwoofers and a tweeter as the drivers. My question is, what makes a guitar speaker a guitar speaker, and a regular hifi speaker hifi? If the frequency ranges and wattages are similar and compatible, would I be able to use a couple of dayton audio subwoofers as bass cab drivers?
Would love to see how that 800 handles a big muff for those early smashing pumpkins sounds
A few years ago, Wampler had the Triple Wreck, and now TC Electronics has the Dual Wreck. I hope there is no copyright issues.
From Mesa or eachother?
So is there a way to get a clean tone from the dual wreck? I realize it's a high gain amp, but sometimes you need to play clean
For me I keep a marshall type amp, a 5150 type amp and a mesa Mark IV. One of these days i will break down and get a dual rec
where is Glenn telling us that all of them sound the same? :D
either way I really wanna try that JCM! If it wasn't for the fact I'm satisfied with my Mooer Micro Preamp Friedman I'd buy one!
The moment TC releases a Friedman version or a Mark 2 though...
Can these pedals be used in an amp without an FX loop, in front (input) of the amp?
Awesome content, man. The question is: with these new pre-amps and the (no pun intended) plethora of effects and pedals that TC Electronic have under their sleeve, could they be planning to get into the modeling / multi-effect units market? That'll be interesting... Thanks again for this!
I'd be very surprised to see them do multifx unit - the closest they've come is the Plethora and from my discussions with them they seem more interested in offering multiple single effect units than something that does it all.
There's probably more money in that too.
I like all 3 of them pedals but an 320 design brown feather pedal is like having all 3 in one box. just my 1cent .
That JCM pedal sounds pretty close to the real thing. Not so sure about the other two.
Cool. I just got the cheap Horse BritishSound pedal to put into my mono price 5w tube amp. Maybe today I shall make high gain tube sounds instead of low gain tube sounds. Wish me luck everyone.
Lol I got the Horse American Sound to put through my 15w combo from there... Using one of the 5 guitars I bought from Monoprice as well lol. I've got 3 LP-style, a Retro DLX Plus T-style with Fender pickups and the 335-looking Boardwalk.
After talking with someone, I may pick up the 5w soon. They said it can do sparkly Fender cleans. Is that true?
I am gonna be 100% honest w/ you. I haven't even played it clean. I put the volume and tone knobs at max so even when my guitar's volume knob is at 1 I've got a touch of gain. it gives almost enough gain for Rock. question about your Horse BS pedal. does it have progressively more hiss as you run the voice knob up? like all cheap pedals got some hiss, but this seems excessive. I am thinking of returning and hoping for a better unit to be sent in exchange@@J_____C
Gotta love the whims of the UA-cam algorithm.
Dave Murray Strat!
I just want slightly more saturation in my Jims800
It seems like these pedals are more like larger versions of the Mooer Micro Preamps, which are also great value amp-in-a-box pedals.
BTW - not dissing these TC Pedals at all. I actually think the larger pedal format is better - much easier to use with larger knobs, and the pedal graphics display the flavor of the amps they are "cloning." And the price is really great, compared to the Universal Audio pedals.
I make a 5150 pedal called the Preamptive Strike that uses j201 fets, and I think it does a better recreating the tube sound and response. This one sounds like it is opamp based, but perhaps I am wrong.
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Boogie mk 4 and 5 have much more gain than the dual recto (have/had all 3 here),
recto has under half the gain of a 5150!
btw Boogie marks are based on a Princeton topology, not Bassman
I'm curious where you'd put Orange in your geneology. Great video, as always!
Orange and Laney would run in parallel to Marshall.
Orange started in 1968 as a music shop who made their own amplifiers because they couldn't get any from suppliers - very similar to how Marshall began and I'm sure there were more similarities in terms of available knowledge, parts, and influence.
I know Laney got their start after requesting a circuit diagram from Marshall and taking it to a physicist to make changes - improving the design.
The Marshall bough of that tree has many parallel lineages and fledgling companies branching off.
@@ScienceofLoud Thanks for the explanation!🤘
@@ScienceofLoudI love your almost-academic-but-never-boring approach to these.
It's funny the jcm 800 is known as a high gain amp but it really doesn't have that much gain. It's always associated with metal bands like slayer but I'm guessing they have modded versions ?
5150, King of all amps.
Often Imitated, Never Duplicated.
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They all sounded much better with their respective ir's. Just to add to your history part.Carlos Santana had the first high gain Mesa Boogie and actually coined the phrase "Boogie"
That single cut is absolutely gorgeous!
Didn't even know about the Hi-Gain Ampworx pedals till just now.
Most impressive indeed.
Thanks Colin!
Cheers!
P.S. I'm somewhat of a Discord NooB, so I hope I didn't incorrectly drop the...
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I still giggle at jai, but it's done wonders for my scrabble game
Clone amp tone section pedals really only sound right with a clean non tone coloring amplifier imo. I prefer to run it through an AB amp circuit😮
Jai CM 800🎉
Wait, the 550 here got boost knob instead of reso.
"this 5150 needs a boost pedal in front of it!" said no one ever
TATA: What do bassists prefer solid-state amps over valves?
Reliability and costs, you tend to need more power in a bass therefore more tubes, the ampeg svt has 11 tubes and was a notorious amp for breaking, its not something I've ever needed for bass as you're not cutting through the mis
Bassists primarily play clean. Solid states amps do clean tones easily. When bass players want to use distortion they usually use pedals. Plus, solid state amps are lighter, cheaper, and are less likely to break than tube amps. Plus nobody wants solid states, so they're less likely to get stolen.
There’s no hard rules for this and there are valid reasons to prefer one over the other. It’s really about where the bass fits in the mix of any particular band and as a result maximising headroom for a cleaner might be preferable, so solid state would work better in that situation. If the guitars are thinner, then the bass can have more ‘warmth’, essentially more harmonics lower in the series, which is what soft clipping in valve circuits typically produced and therefore valve amps are ideal in that situation.
Genre may push bassists towards one or the other, but again, it’s not like there aren’t bassists famous in any genre who don’t follow convention.
Plus it’s not exactly uncommon for bassists to bypass amps altogether and just DI, which is often an entirely solid state signal chain.
@@godzilla964 Meanwhile here I am always interested in old Crates, Ampegs, Sunns, Peaveys, Marshall ValveStates, etc.
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 That's cool.
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Hey there, just a little technical feedback: The zooms and movements in the diagram stutter, I guess they are lacking frames in the rendering. It would look incredibly more satisfying if they would glide seem less 😍 I Hope its understandable what I mean, I’m not very much into video editing, I just noticed that :)
That's entirely intentional. It plays at 16 fps to evoke a more physical stop motion style of animation because the 50fps smooth motion animation just looks...naff
@@ScienceofLoud fair enough, then it’s just different tastes :)
Why would you have both diode and valve rectification in the power supply? I can't see how rectification has any effect on tone given that a decent power supply section should be swimming in smoothing filtering.
The simple answer is that the amplification performance is tied to the rectifier's ability to supply consistent high voltage to the power valve plates.
For the amplifier to amplifier it needs to pull power, the louder it tries to amplify the more power it needs. If the powervalves are already operating around their nominal maximum power then any sudden demand (from say a sudden attack transient on a very hard picked note) will demand more power than perhaps the rectifier can supply.
With valve rectification these sudden high power demands can cause a drop in supply voltage which the valve rectifier recovers from slowly. This slow recovering drop in voltage inhibits the maximum volume the amp can achieve for that moment in time.
This is referred to as voltage sag, and why many people talk about vintage valve amps being "saggy" or "spongy" in their response. If they are amplifying loud then the rectifier won't be able to keep up with the attack demand, which results in these compression like dips in volume on the beginnings of loud notes.
Solid state Rectification reacts and recovers quicker to sudden demand for power, keeping a much more consistent high voltage heading to the power valves. Loud sudden note attacks don't drop the volume of the amp - resulting in a sound which is considered to be 'tighter'.
Both are desirable dynamic response characteristics depending on the kind of sound the guitarist is looking to achieve.
Also a point of pedantry: Both solid state and valve rectification use diodes. Diode is a device with 2 electrodes which allows current to flow in one direction only.
Solid state Rectifiers are diodes constructed from silicon where current flows in solid state. Valve Rectifiers are diodes which operate using thermionic emission in vacuum (where current flows in gaseous state).
Mesa/Boogie were not the first to offer this dual rectifier option, but they are the most famous for it.
@@ScienceofLoud Cool, thank you :^) Ya, I know they're both diode based; I shoulda said solid state. Do you know what the performance of germanium diodes vs silicon is in this application? I don't know if any of the manufacturers in the 50's used germanium over valve in rectifiers before silicon took over. (For that matter I know selenium rectifiers were common up to some point, but I don't know if they were still around once amps became common.)
I don't know of any germanium rectifiers in ampifiers - that's not to say they didn't exist though. I'll have to look into that.
From what I do know of other 50s and 60s audio tech that utilised Germanium diodes and transistors they were extremely inconsistent and difficult to work with. Results varied drastically from device to device. They are also much more susceptible to temperature changes completely throwing out their performance characteristics and don't handle high voltages as well as silicon - so it may well have been that they just weren't stable enough to make them a viable alternative to valves.
@@ScienceofLoud Right, I didn't think about the temperature sensitivity. Cool, thank you again. Love your videos :^)
@@ScienceofLoudthe science of loud!
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0:56 ah yes the J-eyeCM 800 😂
If I have to listen to American pronunciations of Aloo-minum and Sod-er, then everyone can suffer the way central Scotland pronounces the letter J.
@CSGuitars we get the idea and English isn't your first language
ENGL !!!!!
The thumbnail says that size matters, but my wife keeps telling me it doesn't...
Has my life been a lie, Colin!?
Synergy has been doing the same thing but better, and with real tubes. These are cool, but definitely second place.
Synergy modules are also multiple times the price of these, and that's before you factor in the amplifier units to run them.
@@ScienceofLoud my bad 😳I just saw these are $149. That’s unbeatable. I just figured they were gonna be $400 like everything else. I run all my Synergy stuff through Two Notes Cab M. I think a preamp-sim-pedal shootout is in order.
Geez! That guitar has some serious tuning issues!
I thought the 6505 pedal sounded best here. Pretty rippin'.
the tuner clamped on there didn't seem to help, either
Jiy cee em
Marshall JoyCM
... Heh
When I listen to a 800, it sounds nothing like that pedal 🤷
Ji C M ???
1:49 - "Fender Bassmans"! Surely you mean "Fender Bassmen"?
Actually it's Fender Bassmi
👩🚀 “it’s all fenders?” 🔫 👩🚀 “always been”
10:55 Missed opportunity to not include the noise gate.
I think what truly happened was we switched into a disconnected cable by accident. That's not the noise floor of the pedal, that's what happens when you lick the cable plug while it's connected to an amplifier.
@@ScienceofLoud even so, an on board noise gate would´ve been a killer extra feature for the chugs.
The fact there's no presence knob on the 5150 irritates me
All the pedals have a presence control as a trim pot on the rear panel.
Jai C M? Weird 😂
I'm not sure I like the direction TC is going here. To my understanding, these are primarily digital pedals (which I'm completely okay with, love me some modelling/plugins), but they've opted to only give you one amp, seemingly just to get the trade dress close and make you feel like you're playing the real thing because the knobs look the same.
To me, it kind of defeats the point of modelling to not have the flexibility to go from Fender-style clean to Marshall crunch to Peavey saturation and so on.
Does anyone agree? Again, nothing wrong with the products themselves, I think the Marshall one sounds pretty damn good. However, I can't help but feel that this is a bit of cynical marketing designed to get you to spend more when they could've put all of these models in a Strymon-style box that would've still given you the advantage of not having to navigate menus, for those opposed to that sort of thing.
I feel like this is significantly different than the mini amps that have been popping up lately, because those are actual solid-state circuits designed to emulate one amp and can also power a cabinet.
I don't want yet another multifx with a million sub par amp sims on it, and a menu system that's like piloting an aircraft to program the thing.
I just want one device that does one sound really well, that can be operated easily, and isn't priced beyond my reach.
These fit that perfectly
@@ScienceofLoud Colin (if you are the one replying here), I totally agree about the ease of use that this layout provides, which is why I mentioned the Strymon Iridium (couldn't remember the name in my last comment). For the price of two and a half of these, you get the Iridium, which has the huge benefit of also being an IR loader and has basic reverb built in as well. And listen, I'm not even a huge fan of the Iridium's models. I have several multi-fx with "sub par amp sims" that I think are much better, when paired with a great IR. Some of those same multi-fx also have the IR loader built-in and are barely more than the price of one of these.
I'm just saying it feels like they're really leaning on the visual aspect to make you "feel" like you're playing the real thing and that I think they're just a touch overpriced for what they are. That's all.
I hope you're not under the impression that this is a criticism of YOU for endorsing the product. I have always thought very highly of your intellectual, humorous, and objective approach to talking about gear. Glad you like the pedals and keep up the great work.
Bots, on UA-cam? Impossible…
Because they didn’t have what it took to get a SOLDANO.
JayCM 800? wtf hahah
In my area of Scotland j rhymes with i and not with k
Hard to tell if they sound good. That IR is terrible in my opinion. They all sound fizzy and "solid state", but i don't think it's the preamps.
14:43 has sounds from each going through the poweramp of the Victory Kraken if you want a reference point
@@ScienceofLoud definitely sounds better there, but still a bit fizzy.
High gain always does when heard in isolation, but that fizz does wonders in a mix. I honestly don't think my valve amps would sound any different.
@@ScienceofLoud my 6505 with a 4x12 in my face would count as isolation. But that's into my ears, not a microphone. Likely what I'm hearing.
Oh yeah, it sounds different in the room to how it does off the mic. Record it down and you'll probably find that fizz was there all along.
Jcm800 not a hi gain amplifier. Not. Hi gain. Not.
PALPABLE DISAPPOINTMENT
That was way too much delay. Should have done this video by yourself.
With such one-dimensional playing, they all pretty much sound the same. Not the best review you've done.
14:43 for controlled and planned playing back in my home studio where they all absolutely sound different.
I don't do well being put on the spot with a guitar I've never touched before in a room that isn't mine, hearing audio played back through studio monitors and expected to come up with good playing live.
But such is the nature of doing videos at Gear Street.
@@ScienceofLoud Fair enough, I know what you mean about being put on the spot. I just thought that as they were dual channel/ boost pedals, you could have shown a bit more crunchy rhythm tones going into solo tones, which surely are their forte, no?
I wasn't really in control of the content on location, TC took the lead on that. Then a whole year goes by and they reach out again a couple of weeks ago with a launch deadline.
I had to make the parts I had work on a very limited amount of time. I understand this isn't as detailed a look at these products as you or I would like, but it does enough to get the general point across.
There will be plenty of other knob tweaker reviews on UA-cam, this video can afford to be something a little different
@@ScienceofLoud Tbh, I wouldn't have even known of their existence if it hadn't been for this video and I usually like your reviews anyway.
This may just be me. But that tele headstock on the single cut was gross.