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11:09 - Have this guy Google "Oklahoma Senate Bill 1470" 1) Teachers can be fined $10,000 per incident where they teach something "OFFENSIVE" to a person's religious belief. 2) Allows parents to ban books that they perceive as "anti-religious"
You love frogs, Emma?!? You just earned a whole bunch of points in my book! I'm an amphibian enthusiast and I love finding other people who also appreciate them. Also, fantastic video! This guy has no clue, and you did a great job refuting his "arguments". Keep it up!
Do you think anybody would watch channel where a theist tears apart other theists' bad arguments? I get really annoyed with these schmucks. I mean I am a religious believer but I freely admit that I don't have a good reason for it. It's just personal experiences. And the level of dishonesty I see in these... characters... is just unnerving.
@@jarodstrain8905 "...I don't have a good reason for it. It's just personal experiences." Congratulations!! You've just won the "Only Honest Christian in the World" award!. Also, not that it's a channel, but I've seen interesting debates wherein theists tear apart the arguments of other theists, specifically regarding old and young earth creationism and other matters of historicity and literalism. So, theoretically, such a channel could exist and I'd watch at least some of it.
@@skeletonofflavor2716 To me, it seems like they're just some two-bit Devout Theist who is not only new to Apologetics, but one who only just now found the Nonsense Creationist Talking-Point 'Argument' of: "IF God isn't real, why do you Atheists talk about Him so much?!" Tho, of course, IF that's the case then they certainly aren't the brightest cookie in the crayon-jar, considering how pitiful & easily destroyed that "argument" is.
A better way to put it would be, "I'm not afraid of God, I'm afraid that people who believe in God will act on that belief in a way that has negative impact."
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Exactly, but that's not the point of the comment. The point of the comment is that people who say "Morality can't exist without god" (or some other variation of this sentiment) sounds like they were projecting their thoughts on morality and would seem like if these people were atheists themselves, they would be doing immoral acts left and right.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 that’s the point If they need religion to give them a moral framework then they don’t have a sense of morality so it’s best to just let them have it so they don’t just go and eat a baby or something
Honestly, if someone says that they need the threat of being tossed in some sort of eternal existential shithole to not be a shite person, they probably weren't that great of a person to begin with.
Also be afraid they might learn to use a program to do it for them also one day 🙄 Edit : was a bot above this comment this was directed to but im leaving it in for clarifacation to replies, thanks for kicking it out tho👍
@@howardpalys6929 lol funny but naaah not really accurate ive seen good people do bad things cause they had no choice left but the one. Ive seen bad people when they thought noone would see or just somthing clicked in em to do good . Think itd be hard to describe most those times i saw em and not be in violations with agreement policy here .
@@pallingtontheshrike6374 I know what a cult is, or at least I have a good idea. The Moonies, Scientology, Jehovah's Witnesses. ETC, to name a few. some argue that any and all religions are cults, in a way they could be but yeah I know what a cult is.
It's the otherway around going by what they say. Us atheist have moral accountability to the whole world and the people around us and the only way out of it is to stay indoors or go live in a cave. Christians would be the one's rejecting all their accountability we all share because they follow a god who exists for them to push their accountability onto. And then also get an accountability free card by admitting faith in Christ on their death bed. So it's an reversal or projection fallacy when they strawman an atheist as not wanting accountability when it's actually direct acceptance of accountability towards everyone and everything because, we don't have a magic big brother to throw his kid under the bus for us, so that we don't have to be responsible for everything. 💁♂️ Hence the good works are nothing, faith is all because gawd promised to do everything if we just believe in him, narrative that most denominations but not all go by.
What is good by your definition because other atheist can disagree with your stance as to what is good. Example stalin would disagree with many of your views. Stalin was atheist…..also who decides right and wrong according to you?
@@jdos5643 1 the definition of good. 2. Societal wellbeing and responsibilities at large. Despite what your dishonesty would have you believe, subjective morals aren't arbitrary and no one opinion nor claim was made equal. Hence it's not morality if there's no deliberations and moralizing in the foundation. The foundations of good doesn't go away simply because it's inconvenient for your God's subjective amoral impulses to go against what is good just to get his way. It's funny, you complain dishonestly about people not taking moral responsibility yet you're the one shunting it off on an non demonstrable God so you can go moraly scott free and then justify immoral action by stating your God commands it. There's simply no morality in your system and no accountability. It's why it fails as a system, and allows for everything and all along you simply apologize to a made up person because it's easier than to look a real person in the eye. Lmao.
@@guytheincognito4186 there is no such thing as objective morality with atheist. You define good by a dictionary. Doesn’t mean you make the rules across the board in a godless point of view. Who decides right and wrong. What you decide as right others will disagree. Also something for you to keep in mind. Honesty and truth are Christian attributes not atheist ones. How then can atheist claims even be trusted when they themselves have no moral objective platform to stand on? Atheism Doesn’t work. In the world of politics atheism=communism. Also we don’t apologize to a creator when we fall short for nothing. We acknowledge it is God who crated Everything therefore he makes the rules. If we lie we ask for forgiveness since lying is something detestable with God. If we use profanity the same or other bad things he lets us know about. The idea God has is to make those who adhere to his word become good in every sense of the word. Not wicked or vile. For this we know that Christian’s are not the reason you lock your doors at night.
I think the most terrifying aspect of his rant is that he is outright admitting that without a God to punish him, there is zero reason to be a decent human being. If that doesn’t scare anyone listening to this BS, it should.
What often ends up being the case once zealots lose their zeal is that they discover their own real motivations for behaving morally. Some find that they're actually to afraid of human authority and/or societal judgement to act on their darker instincts, and some find that they actually did have the inner motivation to be good to their fellow humans after all. In both cases, when they lose their religion, they are merely shedding a pretense.
This was my exact take from his performance. That and the fact that if he made each of his points only once this video would have been 60 seconds long rather than running on repeat for 30 minutes.
@@slevinchannel7589 Agreed, I actually just left a comment that I’d pay him to call AXP and try this with Matt Dillahunty. I don’t think he would even be able to last more than a few minutes on the phone with Matt, and the actual arguments that he presents.
I like to think of religious faith as being what enquiring minds came up with before the age of rationality and science. Humans constantly seek explanations for things, it's just a shame that a proportion of us seem unable to let go of the old systems when we come up with something that is unarguably better, more accurate and more use.
My husband was ready to join seminary straight out of highschool, and he read the entire bible to prepare... which is why he's now one of the most hardcore skeptical atheists I know. As for my beliefs, I went to a christian school from kindergarten through 8th grade, but had never really believed in any of it, thinking Jesus was just something like santa or the Easter bunny. I was around ten when I finally realized all the adults around me *actually believed* all this stuff and I became very concerned.
>thinking Jesus was just something like santa or the Easter bunny. I was around ten when I finally realized all the adults around me actually believed all this stuff and I became very concerned Ok this is actually hilarious. Reminds me of J. Jonah Jameson in spiderman 1 with "hahaha. Wait. You're serious?"
Very similar to me. I read biblical stories and the greek, roman, arthurian myths. I even got 1st place in a divinity class, but then I realised that I was supposed to believe that the biblical stories were true and the others weren't. To me they were all just stories. Yeah, I think I was 12.
This really is one of the hilarious points of religion. They tell kids all kind of fairy tales, but at some point try to convince them "so, 90% of the fairytales we told you are just a human invention, but this specific one about God and Jesus, that's TOTALLY real"
I am an atheist but I don’t feel as much hate for Buddhism then for other religions that believe one god is above us all and he created us. Because as far as I am aware Buddhism hasn’t done any atrocities in the name of the religion. So they are cool. But Christianity and Islam for example have done shit that has no excuses.
@@Manie230 Polystheistic religions tend to be less centralized, less politically involved and more diverse. I'll explain these points for two monotheistics religions: Centralization: Catholic Christianity and Sunni Islam (to give 2 examples) had a strict hierarchy, with the religious leaders at the top, and local priests at the bottom. Political involvement: The pope and Caliph respectively had extensive political (worldly) as well as religious (spiritual) power and influence. Diversity: Both Catholics and Sunnites cracked down on 'dissidents', see the Inquisition and Sunni-Shia split, often more aimed at 'wrong' Christians and Muslims than people of other religions. Polytheistic religions are often more focused around local temples, have much less political power and are more accepting of different opinions within the religion. That last point does not mean they don't have religious dogma, but they tend to be more accepting of new or alternative viewpoints. These distinctions are not absolute. The ancient Egyptians were polytheistic, but had a very centralized religion. Protestant Christianity (especially in Europe) tends to be more like how I described polytheistic religions. P.S. I study economic history, not cultural history, so this is not my area of expertise.
29:38 As a child, I heard the word atheist for the first time. I asked my mother what that word meant. She explained, "someone that doesn't believe god exists". In my mind: "Waaaaait... this is a position you can have? It's not as clear as the priests, school teachers and media make it appear to be?" Was an atheist after that.
@@magi-yoshi41 I don't live in the US, where the word has weird connotation. Also, it was way before reddit-atheism. Dunno, I just take the word as it is.
I used to be forced to go to church when I was a kid and sometime about at age 7 I decided it was all nonsense. It wasn’t until sometime in middle school I heard the word atheist and found out the position I’d adopted on my own was a real thing and that other people who thought the same existed.
@@magi-yoshi41 That’s personally fine, I don’t care about labels really. If one were to ask I’d say atheist, but despite that I’m open to the idea I may be wrong, since I simply think there’s not enough evidence to determine one should believe in god or any other deities. Which would to some make me an agnostic atheist, albeit I choose not to use that since I’m not exactly the biggest fan of saying I’m ‘agnostic’ because the problem with agnosticism is that in the last 2,400 years of intellectual history, not a single argument for the existence of God has withstood scrutiny. I’m not necessarily the biggest fan of the term. This is why: I don’t believe Santa Claus is a real person who flies around in a sleigh led by reindeer delivering presents. I am a Santa Claus atheist. Even though there’s nothing logically impossible about this phenomenon, I’m not a Santa Claus agnostic. (That is, a large man in a red suit delivering presents at the speed of light is not a logical contradiction.) and in the end I just find them unnecessary. If someone wanted to say that I’m an agnostic atheist or agnostic I wouldn’t really care, since again labels aren’t something I dwell on.
@@TheDeathOmen technically you are asantaclausist as theist would men believer in a god and the A basically means non so using the pattern what you said is you don’t believe in Santa as a god
I love the whole "you just want to drink, smoke, and have sex all the time" aka "you just wanna sin" argument. If I just wanted to "sin", I would be christian, because that would mean that all my sins are forgiven and I don't have to accept responsibility for my actions.
If I wanted to sin I would need to first have a belief. 😄 I moved to Ireland for a spell in my twenties and they told me all about sin and what was considered sinful. Coming from Sweden it was a bit of a shock finding out that just living your life as normal was sinful. Like living with someone you loved without being married. On the other hand things that were clearly illegal at home and that made me very upset when seeing in Ireland, like people spanking their children, were apparantly Christian things to do and perfectly all right... 🤯
I had a cuckoo Christian try to get in my pants and asked him, wasn't that a sin? He said, No, you're a heathen so you're already going to hell, but I will be forgiven so it's ok. I had to explain to him the difference between a heathen and a nonbeliever. So he called me pagan instead. This was all pretty amusing because the more he talked, the less likely he was to get me in bed with him. This was my very first encounter with a Baptist. I'd never met one before. It was all quite bizarre. I was used to the laissez-faire Catholics in New Orleans, where I grew up.
@@erikaeriksson9840 many fundamental homes are rife with abuse, not just physical but there is a lot of sexual abuse, In ireland they found mass graves were disgraced unmarried women who got pregnant went to give birth in secret, its horrifying and sad, but I bet DNA testing would reveal a whole lot of eye openers.
Personally I think I would start comparing which one gives me the best range of powers After all why go all healing with YWHW when you could go Apollo and get some lesser healing but some magic arrows or something
They'd probably like to think they're a DnD cleric when really they're more like a Dark Souls miracle build. The only miracle here is how low their INT stat is. Are you feeling the miracle build now, Old Man?
I've made this exact same conclusion before when rationalizing what definitive proof could be for Christianity. People don't believe in the gods in dnd because of only faith, their faith or believe literally gives people radical magic that does miracles and is open distributed across a whole lot of believers and followers of the God. Hell, sometimes the God just talks to the followers on a regular basis. It's not hard to believe in someone so blatantly in front of them.
Pathfinder has a book on various religions and related doctrines within their setting, including atheism. Most of those would just be people that don't worship any god in particular, but I find it absolutely hilarious to imagine someone who staunchly does not believe in divine entities which are absolutely demonstrably real
As a kid brought up suuuper into religion, I think the idea of god being real is so affirmative, that it becomes a given. You don't try to disprove a given, its literally a given. You try to form arguments and conclusions around any given given. So I guess it kinda makes sense. If god is real, all the proof, one way or another, must prove he is real. If the evidence says god is real, athiests must be ignoring the evidence. The logic is sound, its just based on a moronic false given of "God exists"
@@mwperk02 exactly what I was thinking. This is all theater. He doesn't care or hasn't researched any of the actual arguments. He ignored logicked responses. He is being deliberately ignorant. I doubt he'll ever learn anything new.
@@ZJasmineDragon well depending on how you perceive reality, God IS a near-factual given. Not saying that this moron has any ground, this guys incompetent I'm just being a little nitpicky as someone who was raised as a SOUTHERN BAPTIST FUNDAMENTALIST (1 step away from a cult) that immediately after highschool became... well what actually am I? Agnostic I guess is closest, but in the traditional sense I think Atheist fits better since my idea of God doesn't conform to religious definitions? I digress, on to my evidence and point. For instance, did you know that mathematically the Universe is not Physical in nature, but Empirical (idk a better word, datalike implies it's almost data rather than actually data) in nature. Quantum mechanics proves this. The smallest particles are simply 1 bit, which is why when we observe them they can only give us one piece of determined information. It isn't accepted as fact because having the math prove it isn't acceptable as a full proof, but it makes literally everything that we don't understand about the universe make a lot more sense. Now with that in mind, what is the difference between saying the universe is spiritual vs empirical? In Genesis, God created the universe and everything in it only by speaking the words, which is rather metaphorical as without a medium of sound it is impossible to actually speak. It is better to say he created the universe by introducing the concepts of the universe to reality. In other words, there is no difference between an Emperical universe and a Spiritual universe from a religious perspective. And the fact of the matter is, even if no Entity exists that created the universe, the Big Bang still happened, the Universe is still Emperical, and some arbitrary rules determine everything about the universe without any actual reason for it to be that way, or any determinism as to how our physics is formed at all. In other words, even if no theological essence of God is out there and there is no soul, Physics is still God. Whether or not Physics is aware of itself would be literally impossible to determine from inside the universe and not all religions agree that God is self-aware or self-deterministic. Furthermore try to remember that the scale of 0D-1D-2D-3D-4D-5D-> If there is a higher dimensional plane, then they are Gods to us both literally and figuratively by definition, and from our finite experience there is no way to actually determine if something is of a higher dimension. There are many educated ways to generically induct that God is real. There is no way to deduce it as there is no deductive method yet that defines all physical parameters.
Speaking as a Christian I really don’t find that surprising at all. Simply because having religious Christmas ornaments feels almost sacrilegious in a way. Tbc what i mean by that is that it feels very consumeristic and like its appropriating my religion to get me to buy things rather than actually focusing on the spiritual aspect of Christmas.
@@kpeters9775 As with many other customs, it really depends on what type of Christian you are. Many sects consider the nativity story to be central to their belief. Others don't celebrate Christmas at all, because the biblical evidence actually puts Jesus' birth in the spring time.
@broKen73484 I'm sure that there are numerous belief systems that use the evidence of writing supporting them (and no other evidence) and refuse to debate, that you could also believe in.
@@broKen73484The point of a debate is for two or more people with conflicting ideas to attempt to discuss why they believe their idea is more correct. In an ideal situation, everyone present acts in good faith and attempts to approach it in an open manner, leading to an ultimately friendly exchange of ideas.
I went to Catholic school for kindergarten, one day after school I went into the fridge made a ham sandwich I took the first bite, and my brother yelled at me. He said I was going to hell for eating meat on a Friday. I looked at him then at the sandwich and decided that since I was past the point of no return, I might as well finish the sandwich.
2 minutes into this video: I'm sure he can't possibly keep this "satire" up for the whole video, he'll definitely make some actual arguments at some point 30 minutes into this video: oh
@@MissFluffyPink there’s no such thing as objective morality with atheism. Atheist have no platform on which to stand on to make moral or ethical distinctions. Morality along with conscience are God given. Only way this can be. Also if an atheist was truly honest with themselves, they wouldn’t be atheist to begin with.
@@JamesWillis-yy5pxit’s actually true and the reason is simple because me and most atheist people are good people without religion, and if you need religion to be good person it means you will do bad thing, if someone doesn’t hold a leash on you ( magical sky dad ) so that you don’t do bad things then you are not good person. Simple as that and if you don’t understand what I’m saying understandable because if you could you would not belief in ( imaginary dad ) but you can also lie if you want
@@Sweeti924 Except, you are lying. Atheists are not good people. Atheists are far below most religious groups in their moral growth. Atheists use the name of the Messiah as a curse word. That is how evil they are, they use Jesus name as a curse word. Just imagine if people walked around using your mothers name as a curse word! And her crime? Healed the blind, brought people back to life, told people to treat each other with love? Atheists are wicked to their core, that is why they are Atheists to begin with. That is what you don't understand. All of the Famous Atheist preachers, are Satanists behind closed doors, and use follow them because use are wicked like them!
@@Sweeti924 Many do, do bad things, they hide behind the organized church of the sky fairy and some even use the power of the sky fairy to gain access to more victims.
Tbf some do tho, not all but some. Its the same with Christians not all do this but some, and just like everything else in life the majority is blamed for the minority.
@@ferlamer4240 No one who believes in a God or miracles is grounded in science. They can only accept science provisionally, but they cannot consistently apply scientific thinking and arrive at such conclusions.
@@AbandonedVoid I disagree. someone can fully believe in science, and still believe there is a god. I never said anything about miracles either. There isn't really evidence for or against a god, so believing in them wouldn't really go against science. I can't argue about this that well, because I personally am an athiest, but I assure you that way of thinking does exist. there are coincidences, how someone has been raised, and how someone has been treated that influence their beliefs. I would like to remind you that a fair amount of Christians know that the bible is not infallible, and do use scientific thinking.
I love the theist "argument" of "you don't want to be held accountable", when they believe in a god that will simply die for them and rectify them of all wrongdoing and that even the worst sinner can be forgiven just by converting to their faith.
Yeah, they all just assume that. My answer to my brother is, "it's a real perk to be able to live how I want, but it never entered my mind until you accused me of it." These people are simply reasoning within the incredibly constrained reasoning they've been allow to use their whole lives. My brother is 45 years old, and is one of the most inside the box thinkers I've ever known. It's clear to nearly everyone he's ever interacted with that he is incapable of independent thought, and has never wanted to be outside the bubble. He once told me that in his early 20s, he did do some soul searching, but that all this "scientific stuff" in the Bible proved to him to not stray. You, know stuff like the Muslims saying "salt and fresh water don't mix" (they clearly do lol) but from the Bible. Any idiot could see through that nonsense, and would not just accept "evidence" from other believers at face value. I was flabbergasted, and I gave up on him right there. He just lacks the intellect (or intellectual courage?) to ever break free.
The simplest possible way for me to explain why I'm an atheist is this: contradictory points of view can't all be right... but they _can_ all be *wrong* .
I always like to say there are far more ways to be wrong about reality than right about it, so any given belief is unlikely to be true a priori. The only reliable way to get something approaching truth is via rigorous rationality and evidence like what science does... and even science is far from perfect, which is why it's always changing.
The logic behind the "Without God, there is no purpose or morals" argument leads me to believe that if God was ever factually disproved, these same people who say these things would become criminals...
What initially killed my faith was the realization that billions of people, honestly believed that their all loving God, would condemn billions of people from outside of their sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-subsection of a group, to an eternity of unimaginable torture, for picking the wrong religion. It didn't matter the strength of your faith, or your good deeds, or how much you improved the lives of others. The idea of a loving God leaving all of their children clueless, and the vast majority happily believing that the vast majority would justifiably suffer an eternal hell fire, never added up And oddly enough, the rate of crime, violence, and incarceration in a country isn't tied to that country's level of atheism, but to its religiousity, the complete opposite of what these people claim.
I watch a video from a pastor on UA-cam, like he's a good guy, he thinks that the hell is empty. Like when you introduce to god, he is this kind of perfect kind, loving being, but when you look at scripture and see what he has done, he is way different.
To be fair, the thing that makes it nerdy is the reference to a specific game, but a similar thing is present in a lot of games and videogames are pretty much mainstream now. Not everybody has played Dragon Quest (WHICH ONE?!), but most people have played *something*.
You both Dragon Quest enthusiasts!? Unholy shit! Absolutely Cool! Have you both seen Dai no Daibouken? Its a Dragon Quest Spin-off anime that is absolutely GREAT! There's a manga (good as fuck) an old anime adaptation (incomplete) and a new anime (ongoing to the end of the manga) that is what I recommend. You will love it, 100% guaranteed!
Honestly, I would probably take D&D Atheist Cleric position and just say "what makes them a god? The fae, archdevils, archdemons, old ones, and other thing can do similar things too. Even some sorcerers and druids can heal people too. So why should I worship them?"
@James Henry Smith people have literally been saying similar things for the last 2000 years. My parent's pastor told them that Obama was the antichrist and wouldn't step down, then he did. then a few month ago he swore that he personally knew Benjamin Netenyahu and that Benny told him that Israel was going to nuke someone within a few weeks. That was months ago. And now he's saying that Russia invading the Ukraine is going to kick off nuclear WWIII and that is the apocolypse. If we ever do get an apocolypse, he'll probably get it right only because a broken clock is right twice a day.
I was taught as a Christian teenager that God encourages questions and I questioned my way right out of belief in God, so that was handy, result! It was the only logical option left after a while.
I tried that too. Got kicked out of the mandatory (for middle and high school where I live) class of "Theology". Was I going to go into theological studies? No, I wanted to be a programmer. but theological sermons disguised as "learning about the various religions of this world!" is a MANDATORY LESSON. In a developed (well, we like to think we are, personally I think our politicians are hairless monkeys with half the wit an actual monkey has) country. Imagine going home and being told "you won't get into that good science uni you want to because you failed theology". THE DISSONANCE.
Same thing happened to me if I’m not mistaken there are scriptures in the Bible that tell you to question… Maybe that’s how you know you’ve passed the test lol I loved your post
LOL. Same here my brothers with common sense. I remember getting in huge trouble for literally "Asking too many questions". Even as children we were able to use basic deduction. SMH The only time I ever went back for a mass or some teen bible class was for the chicks bruh.
every human utilizes the cognitive toolkit that is logic. most persons perceive their version of logic as sufficiently complete. not every person attains an equal proximity to the platonic form of logic.
I got the “it’s okay to question as long as you come to the right answer,” which is basically saying you can question as long as you keep believing anyway.
Emma, as a German I very much admire the sound of your voice. The pronounciation of every word is so clear ... maybe because you are thinking in such a clear way. I appreciate your friendly smile and humour in those debates. Please keep up your courage and your spirit !
I am so happy that you talk to a therapist about it and I am so sorry that you need to because religion is so abusive and traumatizing. Emma asked to tell her why we are an atheist. I already spammed my thoughts earlier so I was kind of looking for an excuse. I know she will read comments and see them pop up in notification somewhere and not replies to them. But I think my reasons will do you good to hear so I'll give them to you. Reason nr. 1: I am pretty convinced that the world/universe we live in isn't guided nor created by a loving god. From a loving god I would at the very least expect some measure to prevent faith based religions because believing without evidence isn't reliable, sustainable, or helpful, and I would expect a clear instruction not to worship but strive for happiness and well being instead. Reason nr. 2: I don't care if there's any (other) god, because everything good in my life is because of how nature functions and how people have progressed through the millennia, despite all the mistakes people made and the conservative stunting or blocking of progress. I am with _you!_ I owe you and people like you my life and gratitude. So thank you! Thank you for your integrity that revealed trauma and made your life harder than it would have been if you successfully kept your head in the clouds. Thank you for your honesty that might have made things harder for you when you left the religion. Thank you for your example of choosing your humanity over fantasy. You are a great example to humanity and your mere existence and choices and trauma and the ways you deal with it is a threat to faith and the harms it does to us. If a god now showed up and asked me to grovel for it, I choose my solidarity for you, you personally are enough to keep me from worshiping and I don't even know you but you've shown me enough to value you you far more than I would any god that asks me to worship it. And you're not the only great person. I have millions to live for, that I'm grateful for. Any of them could perish and millions have. My freedom came at a cost, a cost of blood. I can't waste that on a god. I love people and myself too damn much to even consider that an option. My life is in service of a better future for us all, because I am grateful for those who did that for me and the people I love. Anyway. Heavy stuff there in the end, but basically I just love living, learning and enjoying stuff and sharing it and I know that that is something I instinctively do because it's genetically ingrained in all social animals. That gives me comfort. If I break a leg, people will keep the world going while I recover. We got each other's back, even if we don't see it, are selfish, are being dumb. I wish we all saw that every now and again and realized it, how beautiful we are, inevitably, inherently. I hope you have a wonderful day and if it's not today I hope you'll very much enjoy something you like enjoying another time.
I think we're on the same "plane". Religion was suppossed to get me to heaven and it only landed me in the hospital for "erratic" people otherwise known as wacky. Oh well.
I’m right there with you. I am on my journey of exploring my beliefs and the only thing i got from my childhood religion is a fear of hell. My fear of hell has started to eat away at me and i absolutely hate it. It’s all i think about at night.
@@yaoipurpleheart if you want something that might help. research the history of hell and satan in and out of scripture. The good news is you'll find that the Satan we knew as christians, isn't a bible character, but a character from Dantes Inferno. That's where most of what we believe about Satan came from. You only get snippets in the bible that are totally context errors most of the time. The down side is that the fear of hell would be sensible if hell were real. You have the same problem I have. When they told you about hell, it was serious and you took it seriously. The fear will stay there, but you can learn to deal with it. I deal with bouts of hell fear and the only thing I can do is try and reground myself in what I've leaned. On a side note, look to the Jews in Isreal. Have you ever noticed they don't talk much about Satan or hell? There's just not much that's really in the old testament when it was originally written. Check out Rabbi Tovia Singer. I'm not Jewish, but it's hard not to like this guy. He's an encyclopedia of most religions and has a better heart than most people I've met. I guarantee you will like the information you find and it will help.
I love how he tries to mock atheists with the whole "my response to all this evidence is that I don't like it, so I refuse to believe it" line, considering that that seems to be the very argument half the theists who make these ridiculous videos use.
@@DJMaul1031 Science doesn't disprove their bible in the same way the science doesn't disprove the existence of magic. There simply isn't any evidence to prove that the content of the bible is true but plenty of things in the bible is morally abhorrent under today's standard - such as nowhere in the bible does it condemn slavery.
Emma has alot more patience than me. This guy was wearing thin about 2 minutes in. It was worth hanging to the end to hear Emma articulate some rationality. Cheers.
Aight, guess I'm sticking around to the end Half way through and this guy still had nothing new or mildly interesting but since her commentary seems worthy I will persevere
Hey you want a weird feeling about what christians believe? Read Ezekiel 23 and realize I read that bible chapter as a 14 year old in bible school. hoo boy, sexual repressed feelings abound.
UnIronically, this dude sounds exactly like a cousin of mine who tried this crap on me when I was 16 and still identified as agnostic. All he really managed to do was make me think about it more which pushed me into atheism
Those are what I call "Douchebag Christians" They think they're fighting atheism when in reality, their nature pushes skeptics away from the religion. Examples would be Kent Hovind and Matt Powell. Matt Powell is way worse though, at least Hovind is kinda funny, though unintentionally.
@@frombrumHey me too. I went into my freshman year of high school 3 years ago as a Christian, then I started questioning things, and I was agnostic in sophomore year when I was 15. And then finally I became atheist at 16 last year, and I still am today. It's like finally opening your eyes to reality after your whole life of keeping them closed. And the frustrating part is that everyone around you including your family and classmates are all still keeping their eyes closed. Like you've stopped living in fiction and found out the truth, but everyone around you refuses to do the same. They all stay willfully ignorant, and it's disheartening to me.
@@Blake_H_888 always question your beliefs and your non beliefs that is how science works never be afraid to say you don't know that's why religion doesn't work because it won't
I was indoctrinated Catholic from birth, but it was a crazy super-Catholic upbringing (so you can imagine what THAT was like). I was the one who "wanted" to be a priest (back when I thought I was a boy). Once I moved away to college (literally days after I graduated high school), I started attending church in my new city, but they didn't feel the same. They weren't "intense" enough for what I was used to. So I just eventually stopped going. I felt horrible guilt and fear of Hell for that, but after a couple years, for some reason, I couldn't bring myself to go into a church anymore. Many years later, in my 30s, I finally started allowing myself to question my beliefs. I finally realized that what I'd believed about God, Jesus, and all that, was told to me by my parents and priests. Who told it to them? Other parents, other priests. Following that thread, I realized it was all just a game of "telephone", played over centuries, and that there was absolutely no way what I was taught could even be remotely accurate. The only actual evidence of any of that was the Bible, which my logical mind realized was only proof that people wrote these stories down. Once that clicked, it was done. I became an atheist. I still have those irrational fears at times, as you mentioned due to my indoctrination, but those have faded over time. But shedding all that weight freed me up to learn and accept things about myself that I could NEVER have accepted if I'd remained in that Catholic mindset. And for the first time in my life, I am actually happy.
Yeah, same here, I grow up in a religious catholic household ... now an atheist ... I disagree with a guy in the video on all levels because he refuses to acknowledge that atheism is about people wanting a piece of solid evidence for the Gods' existence rather than expressions such as : I feel him in the water, I feel the God in the rain, it is written in my heart ... how else do you explain all of this and so on ... that's just a belief, not a piece of evidence, what he seems to refer as the hard evidence for God's existence are scriptures and the Bible, but these are not evidence just written text about his god by other religious people.... in reality, propaganda to promote the cause, but he refuses to accept that there is no any actual proof that any of the events in the scriptures actually happen ... may I add the first Bible was written 500 years after Jesus when there was no one alive who could possibly remember any of it, based on collection on the old text they collected across the land similarly what Brothers Grimm done for their book , collecting tales around the world for their Brothers Grimm' s collection of Fairy Tales ...
My sister was the same. Fell in love with Jesus at a young age. Saw how bitchy and hen pecky nuns can be. Ran away before even starting to think about vocation.
@@katiebarber407 Thank you. Luckily I had the benefit of being in a safe situation with people (including my wife and her parents) who are non-religious. And being hundreds of miles away from my parents.
Christians like this who """poked fun""" at atheists are what lead to me questioning my faith. I started started calling out Christians like this because I didn't think it was Christ-like behavior to blatantly misrepresent atheism (and Christians will blow a gasket if they're misrepresented right?) and when I called them out my own strong-held faith (at the time) was called into question by other Christians. So...I guess keep doing what you're doing Christian youtuber? You'll make more atheists by marginalizing other Christians...?
@@TrueGoose117 Luckily there's no atheist holy book, church or clergy telling me that atheists can't/won't act that way. So I won't be questioning my lack of faith just because some atheists are assholes.
Hey you want a weird feeling about what christians believe? Read Ezekiel 23 and realize I read that bible chapter as a 14 year old in bible school. hoo boy, sexual repressed feelings abound.
I literally burst out laughing when he started going on about atheists just wanting to sleep with whoever they want, and drink/smoke as much as they want…meanwhile I’m sitting here as a married Atheist that has never smoked, never done drugs, rarely drinks, and has slept with waaaay less people (and been in long term relationships with those people) than many of the theists I grew up around. Also, his condescending tone was so bad I had to watch the video sped up so it wasn’t as obvious in order to make it through.
There are so many things I don't do I could literally become a Mormon without batting an eye. I already don't do all the things they have prohibitions against. But I won't become a Mormon because a) I'm an atheist, and b) that underwear fetish of theirs is just bizarre.
Marriage is a covenant that is ordained by God. Why get married if you're atheist? Marriage is essentially a promise to God that you won't sleep with anyone else but that very person whom you've chosen to marry.
@@savagegecko4575 marriage existed before the Christian God did, it’s a way to celebrate our love with our friends and family, it pays respects to our cultural traditions, and there are all kinds of legal reasons as well. Even when I was religious, I never really saw God as having anything to do with it because I knew that religion didn’t come into marriage until just over 1000 years ago, before that it was a legal contract that didn’t even require witnesses. Religion being involved is a new concept (relative to the concept of marriage), so I saw no reason to avoid it just because it’s something that religion has co-opted. I celebrate Christmas and Easter as well, because my culture had their own celebrations at those times that predate monotheistic religion, and I’m not giving up on my heritage just because they were stolen to make Christianity more palatable to pagan cultures either.
The religious like him label everyone that is not in their cult so they can pour hate and misinformation. Atheist's are just as prone to lie as theists and apart from eating babies we have to own our lies, they blame the devil.
@Colin Sixhitter As someone who spent far too much time debating creationists, I've concluded that "Lying for Jesus" is the most frequently observed sacrament in all of Christendom. Martin Luther himself was an enthusiatic proponent of the practice. I disagree that atheists are "just as prone" to lying as theists. Atheists have far fewer matters of far less consequence to lie about. Atheists may lie for material gain or temporal pleasure. Theists lie for all those reasons PLUS they are forced to lie in order to defend their entire worldview and personal identity. Atheists have no such obligation and, even if they did, they have no belief system with which to justify their dishonesty..
@@markwildt5728 For you to make that claim with any honesty, you would have needed to personally interact with at least 50% of all atheists who exist. Otherwise you are completely talking out of your ass.
As an atheist, I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong and shown evidence of god and an afterlife. Nothing would bring me more joy than to know I do not need to fear death or mortality, and the comfort knowing I will see my loved ones again would be life changing. But just because that’s an amazing reality, doesn’t make it a true one. If it were though, I’d be at church every single day. But it still wouldn’t add more value to my life, if anything it would possibly devalue my appreciation for the finite time we have. I hope I can one day be proven wrong, but until then I have to stick with logical evidence.
Interesting. Just curious, even with what you know about what a jealous, homicidal, misogynistic poor designer that god would be, you would still submit to that if real?
"Nothing would bring me more joy than to know I do not need to fear death or mortality, and the comfort knowing I will see my loved ones again would be life changing." Let me help you with the 1st half. You do not need to fear death or mortality. (Sure, death itself will be most likely painful. But, if you will be dying from a long disease, you will get presciption medication for it, and if you die in an accident, it will be over relatively quickly. So you are almost guaranteed not to suffer for too long or too big.) And the reason you should not be afraid of death is because, most probably, what follows life is nothing. But "nothing" is not bad. It is literally nothing. You will not exist forever, just floating through space & time, or burning in fire. Your mind will die with your body. It will be like going to sleep and never waking up. That is a rather peacefu thing, if you ask me. And for the 2nd part: you need to make the best of your relationships with your loved ones while all of you are alive. Whenever I hear the people talking about them meeting with deceased loved ones and make things right, that seems like cheating in a video game.
I'm an atheist and j don't fear death. Its the final rest. I don't have to worry about it because I can't anymore I will be relieved or my burdens forever and my name will love on to those who loved me. I don't need a heaven. I just need my memory to live with my family
Former Christian here! His use of "convicted" throughout this video is something I have only heard in church sermons. It's a sort of emotional manipulation buzzword that they use to describe amorphous feelings of guilt or doubt. They may use it to fish for things that people feel guilty for having done/thought (usually due to the church making them feel guilty for it in the first place) or sometimes to describe this emotion that they presume atheists to have which lead those atheists to "acting out". They use it similar to "guilt" and is in line with what you were talking about in the beginning of the video. Christains presume that everyone knows that the Christain God exists and that in our hearts when we see "evidence" (a Bible verse written thousands of years ago and translated so many times that the intending meaning is as lost as the context) we feel "convicted" or guilty bc we have strayed from that. Honestly, you not knowing what he was meaning by it made me realize how weird it is lol.
Good explanation. It was only when I saw both Logicked and Emma totally not know about this that I realized this is a Christianese insider term. Being convicted was often attributed to the Holy Spirit.
I’m a former Christian theist as well, and I admit I’m convicted sometimes and conflicted is pretty similar. Convicted suggests being found guilty by an external judge while conflicted suggests an internal inconsistency that is troubling. There are atheists from a secular background who lack some of the burdens and baggage that former theists bear. I find that refreshing and hopeful. My mother died a bit over a year ago after a long illness rendering her mentally capable but unable to speak clearly. My final conversation with her included a few reassuring Christian words of comfort. Expressing my non-theist convictions ( pun intended) just wasn’t something I was prepared to do or ready to do or felt needed to express in that moment. I cherish that moment as an affirmation of love, the words go clunk but the moment rings. There’s a lot of baggage like that for former theists. It’s like the nostalgic attachment one may feel about possessions. Faith and religious practices are for me closely associated with my identity, my family and cultural upbringing. It’s good to know where you’re from, but one doesn’t have to stay there.
Exactly this. I came here to make this exact point but you made it better than I would have. “Convicted by the Holy Spirit” was the full phrase I remember, often abbreviated with just “convicted”.
i finally stopped being christian when i asked myself “there’s are hundreds of religions in the world, and throughout human history, what are the odds that all of them are wrong and i’m right?” seemed kinda arrogant to assume that i couldn’t possibly be the one in the wrong, the conclusion must thus be that odds are that of all of religion, mine is unlikely to be the one that is correct, but the same is true for all the others if i were to join them, so until i get some evidence that increases the odds for any one religion i’mma just sit on the sidelines as agnostic and wait and see.
Hey you want a weird feeling about what christians believe? Read Ezekiel 23 and realize I read that bible chapter as a 14 year old in bible school. hoo boy, sexual repressed feelings abound. These guys are nutty, don't try to prescribe logical thought to them. But for me? It was the logical argument of bodily autonomy. That we can't take eyes out of dead people to give live people sight out of respect of their culture and religion. That we have to let children die because people haven't signed organ donor cards. BUT... According to christians, we can strip ANY woman of their bodily autonomy, FORCE them to carry a child to term. The catholics and christians I grew up around? They wanted abortion illegal, but they also wanted plan B gone, they wanted spermicide gone, they wanted IUDs illegal, they wanted everything but condoms deleted from reality. And even some of them hated condoms too. Fuck that shit.
"The same is true for all the others." Yeah that part isnt true. Buddhism is atheist in nature and doesn't actually require any belief in a deity, Hinduism is what we call the amalgamation of various religious practices, practiced in India and the texts require no genuine faith nor do they insinuate that their religion is right or wrong. Local religious practices from all over the world share, exchange, and evolve with the culture and time and have been doing this for thousands of years. It is Judaism and the rise of Christianity and Islam that brought about the notions that every other religion is wrong and that there is only one God. See before Christianity, Europe and the west had many mythologies that are known today by their ethnic and cultural ties like Germanic, Norse, Celtic, Greek, Roman, Iberian, so on and so forth. These mythologies stemmed from the same culture and linguistic group and continued to exchange and evolve as time went on yet they required no faith that their Gods were the only ones that were real. In fact, it was common practice to honor the gods of other cultures and places as you visited. The east has not been impacted by Christianity as much as the west has so their values, cult practices, culture, and societies remained roughly intact while just about everything in the west was destroyed to make way for the new God. Though some of it remained in our cultures, it obviously wasn't accepted as religious practice.
@@brotherknight9484 i mean, at the time, it’s what i thought. i was like 14 at the time, and besides, even if they don’t require one to believe in a god, a pantheon or the myths, my thoughts were focused more on finding out the truth of the matter, christianity said all in the bible was true, thus clearly every other religion that had myths and legends and tales etc. must claim them as the truth, otherwise why have them around. I’ve later learned religious theory and such, and understand things better, but it doesn’t change that it’s why i stopped being christian at the time.
@@jakobwilliamzachariassen2640 unlike Christianity, pagans had no concept of universal truth. They may have deemed their own myths true but the surrounding cultures weren't too different from them. Ideas were exchanged often. Sometimes through trade and peace, other times through war. That is just how it goes. There weren't books or documents telling people how to live their lives or what to believe in, that was something society dictated. God doesn't really mean anything. When we see the name it just implies an all powerful creator being but that doesn't really give it all that much meaning. Pagan deities had meaning to their names that today don't mean anything to us because we use different words to describe the concepts but to the languages and cultures of the time the names were the literal translations of the concepts. Thor, Thunor, Donar, etc, literally translates to Thunder. That's all it is. Thor isn't necessarily a "God" or a hammer weilding man but just simply Thunder and Lightning.
@@titusfortunus2916 When you formulate propaganda like this it does give you a weird feeling doesn't it. Instead of using simpler terms to keep it civil, arousing emotion out of the reader does a better job at turning our thoughts for or against something perhaps even to a fervently radical degree. It would probably be more beneficial to say that Christians just don't like contraception and generally believe that the purpose for sex is for affirming love and reproduction. Of course we all know that this view of sex isn't always practiced by Christians.
"What's the meaning of life?" Me: There is no meaning "So then you're a nihilist and nothing matters?" Me: No, everything matters. It's a completely false claim that there needs to be some kind of plan either external or intrinsic in order for the things that happen and the things we do to matter. Things matter to me because this is the one life experience I have and I intend to enjoy it and to help others enjoy theirs as well.
I had considered myself an "anti-nihilist" until this video, the fact that there is no meaning means we make our own meaning, and I choose to make evrything better for people, but she makes a good argument about frogs being the true meaning of life.
Meaning is use. The unique thing about Life is how it subverts entropy. Life is proof that complex systems spontaneously organize in a universe where entropy normally collapses complexity. As that is the most unique thing about Life, it is likely also its greatest use, and therefore it's Meaning.
I have noticed that a lot of people that were raised as Christians by their parents, had their faith broken by actually reading the Bible front to back, which is absolutely hilarious. EDIT: I didn't think I should have stated this but please, this comment was a personal insight and a joke. I am open minded, but I don't want to discuss religion in the replies. It's tiresome.
You have to be emotional intact and not broken or under constant duress to read any of these books of Woo and come away understanding they are works of fiction. People in constant poverty are easily susceptible to messages that life or a life somewhere down the line will get better, you just have to have faith. People who have had injustice inflicted on them and who with never see justice because of the corrupt politics of our world are easily susceptible to messages that their is justice due somewhere in existence; in this world or the next.
@@DefiantYeast0426 I mean if the bible was written by mankind, and mankind is full of sin, why read the word of God through man made books? What's keeping God from talking to us all directly?
I know this is an old video and all, but I randomly came across your channel and listening to your commentary made me feel a lot better. My atheism has had me feel pretty bad about myself lately and my parents and grandparents are pretty religious and with most of them I have to basically pretend I'm religious. This is basically the first time I've heard someone out loud say anything about atheism being alright and normal. I just kind of felt like I was betraying my family in a way, but I'm also very comfortable in my beliefs, it's a really weird feeling. So anyway thank you.
I think we need to normalize the idea of saying "I'm not going to go to your party because I don't want to, and would be more comfortable staying home". Enough of feeling guilty about being asked to take on an obligation and remember the date. Who says you need an excuse?
I say that myself, Sometimes I just don't have the mental or physical energies to really go to a party, specially if its with a bunch of people I do not know.
Heh, kinda how I feel about the Christian description of heaven. A bunch of sycophants who sold out their own morality, sitting around and sucking off a cosmic tyrant for the rest of eternity? I'll take my chances downstairs, thank you very much.
Sometimes a little white lie can just make everyone fee better.? IDK if I really don't feel like going out but i know there are going to be plenty of people going or something, is it better to make a big deal out of it or just say I have the pee-poops?
@@jenbcamping Why would people need to be lied to? I usually just say "thanks, but nah" when I don't want to go to a party, and nobody gets offended or anything... I'd feel bad if I had to lie to my friends...
I’ve been an atheist my whole life. I’ve always been one to think for myself and come to my own conclusions. I decided for myself at about age 7 that there couldn’t be a god, and my position on the matter has only grown stronger since then as I’ve aged and learned more. I often wonder why the religious are so bothered by atheists and I think I may have an idea as to why. I think most, if not almost all, on some level struggle to maintain their belief. So when they see someone who can so casually say, yeah nah, and go on about their day. It disturbs something deep in their very core that’s in a conflict between maintaining their beliefs and fear of consequences if they don’t maintain those beliefs. Or maybe not. Who really knows.
Yea-nah ... you must be a fellow Kiwi. I'm fairly certain that the use of yeah-nah and its opposite nah-yeah are not really used anywhere else in the English speaking world. lol
I think there are mainly religious people that believe their religion with everything they have. Look at people like Ken Ham who said that he was so sure of his beliefs that nothing could ever convince him that the Bible was not true. Most of the religious people I know are Christians that are my age or a generation older than me. None of the older generation I know seem open to having their beliefs changed. I will debunk and provide evidence against their religion, but they hold fast to their beliefs. The Christians my age might see my points, but they fall back on their community. They do not allow themselves to be challenged. They shrink away from any videos I show them of atheist scholars. I think that most religious people are disturbed by atheists because they want them to follow their religion. I am going to use Christianity as an example again, but Christians think that atheists will receive eternal damnation for not following God. Would you want someone you know to have to face that?
I think you nailed it. All atheism is, is really just responding to a claim about the universe that has never been proven - saying, "sorry, not buying it." Atheism is just common sense - being consistent with the same questions about all gods. It's ridiculously simple. And that's why atheism scares people, because of it's simplicity. It doesn't require anything other than non-belief, and isn't required to make any claims.
Morality is an enormously complex topic, that I have much to learn about. However, I do recognize there are differing ways to implement morality. And a religious form of morality dictated from above can be a valid form of morality. Note that being valid, doesn't make it a good form of morality. Especially as their God is held up as the benchmark, and pinnacle, literally defining what is good. And having read the bible, I think we can do much better than that.
@@archivist17 If morality isn't secular, it should be religious right? Since the definition of secular is not religious. And, well, it seems that historically it's the religious "moral" commands that had to be reinterpreted to still be acceptable in light of the evolving moral understanding, not moral understanding being dictated by religions.
Not sure why UA-cam decided I should watch this, but I'm glad it did - great stuff 🙂 One thing you said reminded me of something Chris Hitchins said - and I am paraphrasing due to memory but it is something like "People are capable of terrible things, but to do something truly evil takes religion"
"Why am I so afraid?" Should be the question he asks himself repeatedly until he arrives at the root of his obvious trauma that he refuses to acknowledge.
Exactly, people like that were most likely abused as children, one way or another. Honestly that kind of indoctrinated upbringing can be viewed as abuse in and on itself, but it’s clear that guy is projecting. That paired with a hint of psychopathy, wich in fact can also stem from his environment is a big warning sign and good example of how people should not live life
"I'm not afraid of God, I'm afraid of people using God as an excuse to do atrocious things" And yeah as someone who was raised in a strictly religious house, the fear of going to hell is one heck of a weapon in the indoctrination arsenal. For me, I'm really grateful that the brand of Jesus I grew up with was marketed as loving and compassionate because it helps me rationalize the inconsistencies. As you said (brilliantly) morality is secular. And while I may not buy into all the dogma.. I still try to live my life in a way that positively affects those around me. And *IF* the God of my youth exists then I would expect him to judge me on my merit. Not adherence to some stuffy pastors idea of him. I don't claim to be a saint (primarily because I don't believe they exist.. seriously even mother Teresa was a colonizer racist) but I am, at the end of the day, a good person.
Well said. One of the military history channels I subscribe to did a video fairly recently about one of the sieges of Jerusalem during The Crusades. Allegedly on behalf of Christ, a lot of alleged Christians slaughtered a lot of women and children that day...Shocked me. In my opinion, there's nothing more vicious or dangerous than a fundamentalist who's convinced themselves they're acting on behalf of God. There's nothing they won't do. Why hold back when what you're doing is allegedly endorsed by God Himself? The horrible massacres against Muslims in New Zealand come to mind. For what it's worth, I'm a Catholic myself and I go to mass. I'm a supporter of Emma and various similar channels because I am an ally of anyone who pushes back hard against *fundamentalists* who exploit faith in an attempt to justify bigotry and narcissism. And violence.
@@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." a phrase reportedly spoken by the commander of the Albigensian Crusade, prior to the massacre at Béziers on 22 July 1209. A direct translation of the Medieval Latin phrase is "Kill them. The Lord knows those that are his own". Henry V reportedly had no problem burning Lollards at the stake before heading off to what became his victory at Agincourt which, he claimed for the greater glory of God... nor did Thomas More, whom I previously admired for his willingness to "obey his conscience" over Henry VIII's divorce of Catherine of Aragon in order to marry Anne Boleyn...until I found out he had been burning Protestants as Chancellor... Current estimates of "witches" killed by Catholic Church in Europe...35k-50k...
The predominant Christian view is that Hell is chock full of good people who weren't "saved". As a former Catholic, I think Catholics are the only Christian denomination that puts any credence into the merit argument. If what other Christians say is true, heaven is full of lowlifes, like predators who died in prison and other miscreants who had a "come to Jesus" deathbed experience. Since the vast majority of prison inmates and other criminals queried on the subject profess a belief in god, hell appears to be a much more desirable neighborhood in which to spend eternity.
@@philcoombes2538 I used to wonder who coined a phrase that was often heard in the Nam, "Kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out". So thanks for the history lesson.
If end-of-the-world movies and TV shows have taught us anything, it is to do away with the religious nuts first. They're the ones who are going to blame the apocalypse on you.
Some of my top reasons for being an atheist: -The problem of apparent gratuitous suffering. -The existence of non-resistant non-believers (Divine Hiddeness) -The existence and diversity of sincere and mutually exclusive religious traditions. -The incomprehensible and/or contradictory nature of a tri-omni God. -The incomprehensible and/or contradictory nature of specific theologies and traditions. (Ex: The Trinity) Cheers!
What about infinite punishment for a finite offense? Not all Christians believe in Hell, of course, but most buy the idea that sinners will suffer forever in Hell. I mean, if I give God the finger, I'll become a sweaty BBQ for eternity... C'mon, God, gimme a break!
That of the trinity is such a weird concept. Jesus is the son of God, but also God itself; because otherwise they would have to admit either that their religion is not monotheistic, or that Jesus is just like every other prophet. The problem is that Jesus literally says "My God, why have you forsaken me?"; implying not only that he's not God, but also that he doesn't know shit about him. This always annoyed me when I was a christian, can someone explain to me how does that work?
@@lucianofrancesco4742 I remember preachers trying to answer this question for me because I had the very same question and boy oh boy what mental gymnastics were done to keep me in line all private meetings with me keeping me away from the rest of the flock for fear that I might cause discord lol
When I started doubting the Bible as a kid I was non stop trying to convince myself that the Bible explains and kept apologizing for the Bible’s mistakes for years but I kept finding more and more stuff and when Christian’s would hear my takes on the Bible they would just call me a heretic for not taking the Bible literally. And my faith felt like it slipped in between my fingers so just it annoys me to such a degree to hear “you chose to be atheist” knowing for years I was actively trying to preserve my faith
It’s funny you mention apologizing for the bible, because people in the church whose job is to explain and interpret the bible are called apologetics. I always found that hilarious, because it’s kind of like, “We are sorry this is so stupid and we keep trying to make it sound reasonable to you.” Apologetics! 😉👍🏻😂
Just remember it’s ignorant people that can’t accept that there are those who logically came to non belief instead of “choosing” atheism that say this crap.
I was raised in a devoutly Catholic family. I went through Catholic schooling which was right next to our parish with daily mass attendance. I was so in love with my faith and God that I thought the best thing to do with my life would be becoming a priest. In that vein I began reading the Bible and studying it and general theology with vigor. Only the more I read the more I disconnected with my faith and family. I had questions no one could answer with anything better than, "It is one of the great mysteries of our faith." I chose not to confirm my faith as I no longer believed ardently enough, in my mind and heart, to say I was Catholic, or a Christian, or even a theist. Many years later I still talk about God, nearly every day, because I don't want people wasting this one precious life, and because I want people to engage critically with all things. This quote sticks out to me, "Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
He didn't deny that Christians are lying all of the time, also when trying to act as an atheist. But he IS close to the truth ; theist accept lies despite of the evidence against it. They just say ... "we don't like the evidence, so we believe this imaginary god"
Logicked also did a detailed breakdown of this guy and got a great reply from him. I can’t wait to see Emma’s reaction! If we’re lucky, maybe he’ll make a video response to her as well.
I was a die hard Christian for a long time and even wanted to become a priest. I read the good book top to bottom, front to back, and then went over different translations to get as much perspective as possible. I was dying for the kind of religious experience or sign that so many others purported to have had and took the outlook of, “fake it ‘til you make it”. The closest thing I had to a testimony of Christianity was a semi-suicidal ideation of dying and meeting Jesus when I was depressed a long long long time ago. Problem was that I could never quite reconcile my study of faith with reality in a way that made sense! Why did the Bible contradict itself soooo much, why do not even Christians agree which specific sub-sect is the one that isn’t all going to Hell, and how is it that a religion based on a religion that was based on a set of religions and completely disagrees with Christian notions of that abrahamic faith happens to be the one absolute truth since the beginning of time? The answers slipped through my fingers like sand, and the more I thirsted for them the more their dry and shifting form scorned me. Eventually, I began to accept that the reason it didn’t make sense was because it was a fabrication. The reason so many of the epistles touted as biblical canon look like they are falsified is because they were falsified. The Bible has been written and warped so many times to fit the particular agenda of those wielding it that any grain of truth to them that may have existed is certainly not around now. It is neither the first religion to claim singular correctness, nor will it be the last. Should humanity survive long enough then it too will die upon the cross of convenience and make way for the next tool to control society and culture. Religion has always been a means to an end, but one that has run its course. It is now no longer a benefit to the long term survival of humanity, and I feel strongly it has been more bane than boon for at least hundreds of years before Christianity was even a twinkle in the eye of its earliest progenitors. Now, it is a haven for denialism and benefactors of the status quo. I can no longer consider myself religious or a Christian simply because I find intentionally lying to myself and others unconscionable. Unfortunately, the realities of society and where I live mean I still have to maintain a veneer of Christian considerations to avoid the persecution of people willing to enact a culture war with truly deadly results; however, some day I hope to be in a set of circumstances where I don’t have to mask just to survive.
@timothymartin2137 I don’t know if this is your intent, but the implication you are making is that God had a reason not to make himself known to me for my 22 years of avid belief and earnest study of scripture. If it’s a mistake then I understand, but you might be more careful in how you word things like this.
How did you handle all the genocide in the Old Testament? that really shook me as a child, I found Solace in the New Testament, Jesus sounded like a good chap just like how Gandalf is a good chap, but God not so much, He seemed at times more like Morgoth and Sauron than Aluvitar. The seeds of doubt were set though in childhood and my first reading of the old testament and I realized that there really isn't any evidence for the existence of the Divine, and even if there was, why should anyone just blindly follow it? Or follow anyone who claims to represent it?
I’ve been an atheist for all of my conscious life & I love talking about theology. Some things we talk about just because we’re curious, not necessarily because it has a direct effect on our lives
It's almost as if people don't on the regular talk or gossip about things they have a fascination with, but no real interest in doing as a lifestyle or job.
Theology is indeed fascinating. I once read an entire 8000 page book about theology. As an atheist, every page just made Christianity sound loonier, yet the whole thought process of the mental olympics they go through just to continue believing their beliefs is beyond intriguing.
@@beatrizsesma1321 to me it’s interesting to see the historical path human belief has taken. Trying to trace traditions & rituals back to their biological roots; revealing more about the human condition
Hilariously enough the og atheists where Christians because they didn't believe in the Greco Roman gods. Whom never killed the non believers. Far more generous than the Crusaders.
In response to the "everyone believes in god" "argument" I usually go with "Everyone knows about Jibbers Crabs, the giant bombardier beetle that lives behind the moons of Saturn, by you saying you don't know him you are very clearly just being dishonest, he clawed his image into the minds of all animals with brains."
I actually have a similar character to Jibbers Crabs, but it's in response to the "The universe had to be created by God because matter doesn't come from nowhere" argument. I call him Jeremy Jello, the jello cube that doesn't abide by our physics, so he just popped in one day created the universe and then disappeared, it was obvious all along that Jeremy Jello created the universe, because the universe didn't come from nothing, so Jeremy is the obvious solution.
I get annoyed when they say, "where do your morals come from without god? I do good things to get into heaven, why do you do good things? There is no reason." It's called empathy. I treat others, how I'd like to be treated, because i can place myself in their situation. I see people starving, or crippled with debt because they can't get a job, or they have large medical payments, and i say this is wrong. I can imagine how terrifying it would be to not know where my next meal was coming from, or worry about losing my house/flat because of debt. It has nothing to do with people telling me to act this way, i can empathise. If you only do this because people have told you, that's kind of frightening. If you ever lost your faith, you'd become a monster? Really? Lastly, this is kind of abstract, but when people say, "life is pointless without an afterlife", life is AMAZING. It lives in undersea vents of 1000 degrees, it lives in acid pools, salt lakes. Some people think that the first life came from ROCKS. They found life in rocks in a south American mine, and think this was where life came from... rocks! That's amazing, life is pure and beautiful, i can endlessly fascinated about life, how life just wants to be, and will find anywhere to develop. This is wonderful, and for me, this gives live purpose, these ability for life to adapt and develop. Fascinating. Okay, one last thing... infinity. The idea of an infinite afterlife makes everything pointless. Because at some point, you've had every thought, you've had every conversation and seen everything... and there's still an infinite amount of time left. I just can't warp my head around this. Around the concept of infinite time. Change is necessary, infinite stagnation is hell, change is important.
And that's the reason Nietzsche called them Nihilist, the only purpose a fundamelist and god-afraid christian would seek is beyond this mortal coil. Life itself has meaning, you don't need to die to look for it.
Needing a cosmic reward to do good things and that's the only reason you do good things is straight up terrifying. I am genuinely scared of people like that, because what happens if they stop believing in God. Would they just go around murdering?
to add to the rock life, the first proven concept of primordial soup was The Miller-Urey Experiment where they simply put used methane, water, ammonia, hydrogen and an electric arc (for simulated lightning strikes) and what they got out of the this was amino acids, Miller said he could identify 5 amino acids, later in 2007 scientists got their hands on closed vials from the original experiment and identified 20 amino acids. All of this just from inorganic elements and some lightning, how life came to be is crazy
@@elfi643A guy once brought up God and was like "I mean if God isnt real then theres nothing stopping me from murdering someone right? But I wont murder because its against what God wants". Yeah. I avoided him after that.
Agreed, Emma is intelligent and pleasant with natural warmth, that guy was...embarassing, I feel he may take down his video at some point, at least, for his sake, I hope so.
Emma is great, this guy's brain was fried by religion not a fever. Almando is so dishonest and stupid...logiked has several videos of him and just wow😮
Oh man watch Logicked. He's f****** destroys this kid. Shows his book is nothing but plagiarism in fact I think he wrote two books and both of plagiarized to some degree or really bad errors really bad framing with the printing of the words on the page as opposed to the size of the page it was just this guy's just a disaster and he's just looking to get the information of atheists responding because it was a given that he was going to get responses and I think it probably worked in his favor but at the end of the day he also got really put in his place by her phone he truly is and how he has no conception of half of what he says.
I haven't heard theists make a single argument against atheism that isn't either an incredible misinterpretation of atheism or just a flat out lie. Great video as always Emma!
@Clyde Barrow what are you talking about? Theists misrepresent atheism which is exactly what the foll in the video does in all his videos. In fact in this very video his argument is atheists have no argument and are afraid to admit there is a god. In his next video he claims atheists have to believe they are equal to cockaroaches and that atheists can not have feelings and value or values. He also misrepresents evolution. Then goes on to assert supposed mountains of evidence for god and jesus in historical documents while swearing atheists ignore it all. Oh and he also asserts that the scientific method is useless and false......even though he has scientific to thank for his phone he used to record the video and the internet he posted it on. Oh and the historical accurate definition of atheism? This has been a new bs argument popping up recently a revisions of an old failed argument.... So uh sure what is the historically accurate definition of atheism and how it is atheists lie about it?
atheist do the same thing with christianity they take the bible out of context or read in they're interpretation into scripture or when they talk about it they strawmen it.
As an asexual, aromantic atheist I can confirme that I deconverted because of all the people I wanted to sleep with, because I totally did not misinterpret my asexuality as divine inspiration to wait for marriage. The fact that my teenage brain figured out that the existence of Harry Potter was more plausibel than the the existence of god had absolutly nothing to do with it. (And yes, I am being sarcastic.)
as another aroace atheist I feel you. Still a virgin and never dated anyone so if someone tells me I became an atheist because I wanted to sleep around I'll probably just laugh
@@Not-Impressed..1821 1 Corinthians 13 : 4 though 8 Love is patient, kind, is not boastful, is not self seeking, and does not dishonor others. You're making baby Jesus cry.
@@uninspired3583 I remember back in my atheist days we used to have a small booklet with all the useful verses that could be used in a conversation. A barren and not very bright tactic, but it gave us a feel of a temporary intellectual supremacy. Do you have that too?
@@Not-Impressed..1821 interesting, your need for supremecy follows regardless of your belief or lack thereof. What I believe doesn't matter, my point is that the way you're interacting with us is in stark contrast to what your Bible actually says about morality. For example, Jesus explicitly stated that the second greatest commandment was to love your neighbour, and also "whatever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me". Asserting a superior position to someone with different ontological beliefs is what the Pharisee's did, and Jesus rejected them for it.
I actually asked an atheist once why he talked about God so much if he didn't believe in him. He didn't have a good answer for that. Fast forward five years to when I was now atheist and I know why. Because I wasted 15 years of my life not building anything in this "worldly life" while "building wealth" in the hereafter. I was also indoctrinated to constantly think about death and specifically my death. So believing I have just this life and dealing with the regrets of wasting 15 years. My best years. And constantly thinking of my death is kind of depressing. And if I can help even one person not waste their life then that would be a beautiful thing. So I talk about God all the time.
I felt this in my soul. I didn't waste quite that much time on being a believer, but I've lost a LOT of time (nearly 30 years now) to my struggle with mental illness. That feeling is the absolute worst, and now it's like all I want to do is help other people like me so they don't go through the same thing. Keep talking about it. If you can help even one person, it's worth it. :)
That may be why you talk about God. That may also be why the atheist you asked talks about God. It is not the reason I talk about God. I am not out to convert you to atheism so you "stop wasting your life as a Christian." If you're happy as a Christian (or anything else) that's great for you and I'm absolutely NOT interested in helping you overcome a set of beliefs that is working for you. The reason I talk about God is because people won't stop trying to impose their beliefs on me. I'm not *about* to try to impose my beliefs on anyone else, but in return, I need to be left alone. And I'm not. I have been evangelized at by my boss (he gave me a Bible, a handmade cross, three books, two cards, four invitations to Billy Graham lectures, and probably ten or fifteen uncomfortable talking-tos). I have had to deal with legislation and court decisions that quite obviously are the result of failure to separate Church and State. When I was in grade school, I was made to pray, in Christian prayer, in a public school. I live in the American South, and THEY WILL NOT LEAVE ME ALONE to be an atheist. So my talking about God is a defense. A defense that I should not need, but apparently do.
Not speaking on behalf of your friend NRGRLSD , but for me in my early teenage years id bring up god alot just to annoy the the others around me who looked down on me for being atheist after they felt the need or right to ask me . Kinda hurts alot to be called a satanist, heathen , lost soul , loveless, evil just for following my own way . The satanist one was probably the most idiotic of them all due to me stateing im athiest i dont believe in that stuff in their mind means i believe in it but just the bad part never made any sense to me at all . Later as i got older i learned to just let it be if they want to veiw people that way then it shows their true blindness to others and i dont need to spend time on those whod never juat see a person as themself ,but see just some label their parents or society told them to look for instead. Could be same deal for your friend , or could be he was starting to have agnostic feelings and trying to explore it some , i dunno with out more context of his talks on it . Dont beat yourself too much for wasted time before , least you see clearly now and cab live some how you want , cults are easy to join and follow , but dang hard to leave for many reasons . Maybe some religons are true in heart and goals , but most just are for money ,power or perverted gains . Just be happy you wernt in the LDS or scientoligy im guessing you wernt part of, now those are some scarey ones to be in and leave and talk about wasted time and money for just devotion and faith which i think can be free anyway to those that want that Edit: wanted to add a qoute by einstien that helped me through my early years of being berated by religon nuts harrassing me " the diffrence between stupidity and genius is stupidity knows no limits" Might not help ya the same , but helped me alot
I grew up baptist. And when I came out as an Atheist to my mom. She didn’t get mad, sad, or disappointed. She questioned me. She asked me “where did your belief in God stop?” “Why do you feel like God doesn’t exist?” Etc etc. And I answered all her questions to the best abilities at the time, and she said to me “Son, I understand why you don’t believe in my God, and I’m not going to try to change that. You’re my child I put you on this earth and I will always love you no matter your beliefs.” I wish other people had my experience with it, and looking back at those 20 years of being Baptist, I regret a lot of things. Things I said to Agnostics, Pagans, Atheists, and more. But I couldn’t give an good answer to why i as Baptist was so enthralled with my afterlife
I was indoctrinated into Christianity my whole childhood, and it has taken a monumental effort to break away from it. The one silver lining that gives me hope is that the number of atheists are growing and the number of believers is getting smaller.
You sure about that? I mean atheist might be growing in the west but you might notice that the number of atheists Children doesn’t increase since no children of them a born. Second I like your phrasing of „indoctrination“ no more wonderful word to describe teachings unliked. But I am sure both their existence in reality is known to you and its difference to truth is known.
In my opinion, religion is one of the most powerful forces in existence. And just like any powerful thing, it can be used for great good or great evil. It has been used to convince large swathes of people to commit genocide, and it has also been used to convince large swathes of people to risk their own health and safety to help others and raise up those worst off in society. Atheism doesn't keep people from being immoral or dishonest, just as religious people are not guaranteed to be immoral or dishonest. As such, I don't think increasing numbers of atheists are either a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a thing. But I do hope more people start believing in loving and helping their neighbours, whether that belief is sourced in religion or not. Because that's what's important.
@@lynox172I disagree, indoctrination is just the uncritical teaching to somebody. Children are very susceptible to this. You could teach your children almost any political viewpoint as factual and they’d honestly believe you. That’s indoctrination. Many religions do this whether you like it or not
@@obiwankenobi2520 I wasn’t saying religions don’t indoctrinate, but I have noticed in the west we have become very liberal with the use of the word „ indoctrination“ in the west. Most of the western churches aren’t even supposed to teach you about Religion. Most things nowadays you could describe as indoctrination, but most again don’t follow a bad intention, it is rather cults which do the „typical“ indoctrination. The main part I was referring to was that birthrates under religious people are much higher and especially in underdeveloped regions meaning most likely the percentage of religious people won’t change as atheists get much less children.
@@obiwankenobi2520 I do agree however that children are very vulnerable to this, but it doesn’t mean everything is indoctrination, as children also learn much faster.
This is the first time i haven't skipped a sponsorship, i just really love your voice and personality, i could listen to you talk all day, about anything
This person displays rage, disgust and contempt throughout. Reactionary and delusional is a dangerous combination. At least he's on another continent :) Thanks for the content!
They are myths Jesus at best was one of a dime a dozen apocalyptic prophets at the time who was executed by the Romans and thrown in a mass grave where stories about his resurrection being created after the fact.
"...you could believe in faeries at the end of the garden for all I care." Yay! Emma affirms my right to garden fairy beliefs. My garden faeries are life affirming and beautiful.
@@lilydailey5258 I've tried this and can confirm it works - though the faeries seem to have used their illusion magic to appear indistinguishable from fruit flies.
It genuinely makes me feel afraid whenever somebody claims that you can’t have morals without believing in God. All I hear when somebody says that is that they have some kind of urge they’d act on if their faith didn’t “keep them in check”, and considering the horrific things some Christians do in the name of their religion… yikes.
I said to a neighbor, Hi how are you doing? and he said, "I am resisting sin." I am now very afraid of him. What exact sin was he resisting so hard? It could be eating a second piece of pie out of gluttony, but it could also be committing a rape and murder followed by cannibalism. So I said, Good luck and scurried off. (BTW, this is what it's like living in the American Bible belt. random people assuming you are also a Christian and talking about their very personal religious experiences without any provocation. Talk about over sharing!)
Yeah, I became Agnostic myself after attending Catholic School. I was one of the few people in the school that actually did read the bible. That includes much of the staff. The Deacon and I had some great chats, though my brother felt sorry for him after I asked so many questions in class that ended up showing hypocrisy in a supposedly 'infallible' creator. When the time came for my confirmation in high school, I had too many doubts. I asked the teacher of the confirmation class whether or not I should go through with it if I didn't believe in 'God'. He said I should anyways. I pointed out that I'd be lying to 'God' about my belief in him and the teacher said it was okay. That's when any last remnant of faith I had died. In the last ten years, I've come to the conclusion that 'God' does not exist, or if 'God' does exist they are not worthy of our respect or worship.
I will bet my immortal soul, if I have one, that *if* God does exist, it is most definitely NOT the God of the Catholic Church or Evangelical Protestant Church. I think it was Karl Marx that said "religion is the opiate of the masses". The Catholic Church existed to control the population of Europe in the middle ages and it's still around because of European colonialism.
You know what scared me about this? He's doing this awful routine alone in his own lounge room. Can you imagine walking in to find him doing this? I'd call his therapist.
To be fair... I have fake conversations with imaginary audiences too. It can be therapeutic (like screaming into the landscape)... I've had arguments (and lost. . .) with nobody doing this. I don't record it, gods no, but it helps me work out frustrations rather then let them fester inside.
The thing that I have always been terrified of is that they imply they would not have moral accountability if not a part of the church. Idk about theists.. but my moral accountability comes naturally.
God gave humans a moral compass. That moral compass only came with the basic right and wrongs. A person needs to train that compass. God gave his word so that imperfect sinful lost humans can find life and their way back to him.
@@Stolasthegaybird so if society and parents teach you bad things that’s ok is what you’re telling me. That’s exactly what society does in general. That is why the world is the way it is. You said we are taught by our parents yet many parents who don’t adhere to Gods moral standards teach their kids it’s ok to swear to lie. Some allow kids to do drugs. Some parents allow their kids to play violent video games. Others bad movies or listen to obcene music that promotes drugs and sex and what not. Some parents divorce leaving kids without a father or mother. Some parents are druggies themselves and their kids learn that. Some parents have kids out of wedlock and kids grow up without a father figure. Some parents cuz in front of their kids and talk to them that way and I have seen this done many times. Which part of parents and society are you referring to that we can learn good? The only ones I can think of are Christians. Point is, your objective stance on morality doesn’t work.
@@jdos5643 and guess what christians are guilty of many of the things you mentioned, and in the bible there is a pro establishment, almost pro status quo stance on slavery. And how do you know they're gods moral standards?
My wife and myself were once on a holiday in Scotland staying in a static caravan. On our last night we were invited to the owners house. It became apparent that they were very Christian and ended our visit with a prayer. I said sorry we aren't Christians. They said,'That is so honest of you' I thought at the time, why wouldn't it be?
Straw men try and distance themselves from this abomination of a strawman, as it makes them look bad. They have an image to protect after all. And the one in Oz, also had a brain.
It's so genuinely wonderful to find someone who, despite reacting to some truly mind numbing content, still makes my day so much more wholesome and pleasant.
And I love that she is encouraging us to reach out to or even try to humanize the person who is being so disingenuous I think she’s awesome she does a great job I loved your post
"If there was sufficient evidence to prove God, I would believe". Exactly! I remember when I was at school, I could ask any question I liked, and get good, solid answers and explanations from the teachers - in every subject but religion. I remember asking questions along the lines of, "How do we know that God exists?" or "Why do some people believe in different Gods?" - quite genuinely, in exactly the way I might have asked "Why are there deserts?", or "Where does oil come from?" But religion stood out as the one class where there were no good, solid answers, just insistence of truth.
In one of my religious classes I asked the teacher why priests do the things they do to young boys? (censored for YT). I spent the rest of the class time in the corridor.
@@Anonymous-md2qp Hehe! I was never that confrontational. :o) Plus, back in the 70s, we didn't know about child rapist priests. But in the end, you had the same sort of non-answer to your question that I did.
i have to thank my 3rd grade RE teacher though: he asked what we like most about jesus, and i tried to answer that he was humble. but i didn't remember the word and had to rephrase it: i said he never bragged about being the messiah. the teacher answered with a bible verse (john?) where jesus quotes jahwe's "i am". that's how i realized what i heard about jesus wasn't necessarily true. when i also learned not everyone believes in jesus and the most important factor is where they were born, it would have been a bigger step for me *not* to apply his reasons why the other religions are wrong to christianity, too.
@Clyde Barrow How many gods do you believe? What about the around 8 million "kami" of Shinto? Do you believe in each of them? And if not, why are you an atheist?
@Clyde Barrow What do you mean with theists? Christians? Specific branch of christians? Your version of your branch of christianity? What do you mean with atheists? Non-religious? Non-christians? If you want people to ask questions from you, you need to first tell a bit more about what you believe. And maybe answer the questions the person you replied to already presented.
I am an atheist and I quite like the story of Jesus, sad as it is. I think if a lot more Christians were actually as accepting as Jesus there might be a lot less hate. He said to protect the less fortunate. He said to be more loving to each other. He didn't much care for commercialism. He even sacrificed himself to save all of humanity although i feel like that one had some rewrites after the fact to say that he knew about his impending betrayal by his own disciple. But it makes for a good story because he even forgave that guy for betraying him. I don't know of any high profile christian that would do even one of those things.
Yes! I really like Christ as a moral figure. I just put him along others, like Buddha. Seeing how unchrist-like many supposed Christians act was one of the first dominos for me; after all, if Christ really was an omnipotent God, surely his believers would only include people who actually follow his teachings?
you forgot the part about Jesus "saving" 8 billion people from an eternity of torture because a mythical woman ate a magical fruit. Apparently 8 billion people are on the hook for 1 mythical woman's "crime" - and that "crime" was so heinous that it deserves an eternity of torture, not just for her but for everyone who lives and who ever will live. What a horrible doctrine, that everyone's a piece of shit so we should be thankful that Jesus is "saving" our sorry asses from the torture chamber he created...
There is something to learn from almost any story or anecdote. Christmas is a nice story because it is about HOPE and doesn't include a lot of the 'your going to Hell!' word wank of the propagandist 'New' Testament nor the horrors of the Tanahk/'Old' Testament. I am a Humanist for similar reasons, and not some vague, mere atheist, where there can be any range of unethical behavior covered by the banal title Atheist.
This feels like projection to me. They're the ones who are afraid to be wrong because if they are wrong it throws their certainty of an afterlife out the window.
I love that she added her own experience because her waiting for that "moment" to happen was literally me as a little girl growing up as an indoctrinated Southern Baptist. I kept believing, hoping and waiting for what they said would come, for this huge personal event that occurs to every Christian who loves and worships him. To have God speak to me and open my heart fully and to be Saved. But it never happened. So what did I have to do? Likely the same as most religious people have done at some point when faced with these harsh realities.... I made it up. I lied and said I'd been saved so I could be a part of what everyone else was elated about every Sunday. Or maybe it was just my autistic brain not wanting to stop asking questions. If so, thank you Autism. Either way, he's right that we lied, just like they do, to ourselves.
"thank you Autism," is such a beautiful sentiment. Thank you. 💟 Thank you Autism for being a massive part of what makes my boyfriend be the unique person he is. Thank you Autism for helping his beautiful brain work in the ways that it does that I love profoundly. Thank you Autism for helping him have the "weird interests" (his words) that lead our paths to cross & be in each other's lives, as well as leading him to connect with his other partner, who makes him so happy (which brings me much sympathetic joy.) Thank you ADHD for making my brain work the way that it does that I can break complex things down in such a way that I can communicate them to him (like a field that I have a decade of experience with that he wants to get into). Thank you ADHD for making the rules and regulations and practices and systems of that field be a special interest/ hyperfocus for me. Thank you ADHD for giving me hyperfoci that I can talk about for hours & hours with my boyfriend, who I love. (This paragraph was really hard to write because I fucking hate having ADHD and I fucking hate how my brain doesn't work the way other people's brains do so much of the time and I can almost always basically only see the ways that ADHD has fucked up my life... I guess maybe possibly I wouldn't change out having an ADHD brain in a heartbeat, without a doubt now tho... So thanks for your comment...)
@@EmeraldLavigne Thank you for sharing all of that. I know it can be hard to be vulnerable and 'show our belly' to others but I think we can learn more about ourselves and be able to grow the more we can do that. Also, I think that it's easy for us to hate and berate ourselves in this neurotypical world. We're made to see ourselves as inferior and broken in some way in society. But most of the time that we feel that way, it's because we are using the rules of this neurotypical world as our basis for "normal" and we can never be that. I think that learning to accept and love ourselves *as we are* is one of the first and most important hurdles to figure out how to leap. And while I'm on this inner lifelong journey of finding wisdom and understanding, knowing how I'm prone to seeing the extremes of positivity OR negativity, I try to consciously keep the other perspective in mind. Just like you did in your message. It was difficult for you to find and admit those positives but I'm hopeful that thinking of them in that way can lift a little burden from you. If you try to remember to do that everyday, like when you're in depression you make sure everyday to think of something about yourself or your life that is positive, you will begin to actually feel and believe those things. It takes practice but eventually it won't be hard and you will feel less weight on you. The reason that works is because our brains work much like computers. A computer's programming language (underneath the code) is electricity. On (5V) is a 1 and off (0V) is a 0. The programming language of the human mind is words. They can tear us down over time but likewise we can use them to build ourselves back up. For example, if you have any self esteem issues like I did going into college, everyday say something good about yourself and after only just a month you will feel a bit more positive about yourself. NOTE: You do not have to believe it. Just say it. (Examples: I'm beautiful. or I'm kind-hearted. or I'm smart. or I'm a good mother/friend. etc) The more times you can do this each day, particularly when doing it to replace a negative thought you were just having about yourself, the better. Saying it out loud, if you're alone and able, is the most effective but it will also work if you only do it in your mind. Sorry. I ramble sometimes. Other times I don't want to talk at all. Oh the contradictory life of a neurotypical person. Anyway, I hope some of what I said was helpful. 🤗🧡🌸 "Keep fighting the good fight, ya?" -Doyle
Bro same. Raised Baptist in the south. Looked everywhere for my moment. Never had one. Am autistic. Throw in a sprinkling of the crippling fear I'd be sent to Hell, and I was ready to fake it so hard. Though I will say that in my quest to find the thing that would make me a true believer, I found the Cristo Redentor (Christ the Redeemer) statue, which has lead to a fascination with Rio, and Brazil at large, that I think has influenced my understanding of the world.
I went to a catholic school, learned about religion and christianity. My family who isn’t religious didn’t say anything to discourage me and actually encouraged my exploration of faith. In the end, I decided it wasn’t something i believed. Given evidence, from a logical mind. God cannot exist. Maybe he does and is a power well outside our comprehension as one would need to be so technologically advanced that they can shape the rules of the universe itself. Also im also learning im autistic too. Gotta love drs Not noticing these things at the time and losing out on years of support and missing out of prospects because of that
That's the result of grouping people together, exactly what this guy was doing by calling all atheists dishonest. And I say this as an atheist: The only thing two atheists are guaranteed to share is the fact that they don't believe in any god. We have roughly the same amount amount of things in common with the average Christian as with eachother lol.
That guy is really doing apologetics at kindergarten level. I'd engage with him, but there's no use since he's obviously not worth the effort. Thank you for your service, Emma.
Your point around belief and choice was great. Basically we don't choose our beliefs - we are CONVINCED of our beliefs and we CHOOSE what to do based on many factors. You cannot choose what to believe - unless perhaps I'd some very broad context in which you are fully on the fence about a matter, you would understandably then choose how to act arbitrarily, but that's still not really choosing a belief.
A real advantage many atheists have, is that we've been believers before and that entitles us to give our honest two cents for both sides. The same cannot be asserted about most believers. Thanks a lot for your wonderful videos, Emma!
I was never a believer, even when I tried playing along with some religion or another. That said, I feel bad for the ex believers. For one, it seems easier to just go with the flow once your indoctrinated, and another the indoctrination itself seems very cruel, and usually involves people you should be loving. I'm fortunate to have not been indoctrinated. I wish no one who ever did, does, or will exist had to endure such a thing.
I mean, to be fair, that's not *entirely* true. I'm a practicing Catholic but a subscriber and supporter of Emma, and several other debunker channels. I've put up several comments here criticizing this kid, "ChristRighteous", pretty intensely. Because, as Emma states at the end of the video, he's not really representing the best of us. Specifically I'm just responding to your claim that believers cannot be honest about both sides. Having faith doesn't preclude anyone from necessarily being honest about any of the things discussed in this video. Although I would agree that *fundamentalists* have, by definition, major issues with honesty. By definition. Our boi "ChristRighteous" here would be Exhibit A.
I never had an amazing "oh my god that's so true" moment reading the Bible. It was mostly "this seems weird, but everyone else says it's right, so let's just go with it"
@SAUL deGAUL you forgot morgan freeman played god , freeman was in oblivion with tom cruise , tom cruise was in a few good men with keven bacon which completes your 6 degrees to keven bacon . You were so close you almost had it
@SAUL deGAUL means no matter what connection your trying to make one can always be made to anything if you want it to. Either that or keven bacon is your true messaih since jews dont eat pork and bacon is pork so he must be the chosin one as he is untouchable in hebrew eyes. See not that hard
@@lordmaddrox I think the fact that Saul has already resorted to insulting your intelligence, ironically in less than perfect language, means that you've won this debate. Lol
@@nathancombs527 i know but thanks , its fun to dig in deeper when they resort to being petty tho lol This experience has taught me I probably should start a church of bacon now, no matter what i do or think now all answers lead me to bacon
I actually did have that big “god is real” moment, and then still became an atheist years later. And then I realized that that moment was caused by strategic emotional manipulation at a church camp.
I think Emma's analysis was excellent, and you know, if it only were for this phrase: "I'm not afraid of God, I'm afraid of human beings", it would be just enough. So brilliant. Also, I don't believe in God, but I believe she's candid. Just compare Emma to that guy, in any 15 seconds of their speech.
Comparison is important. Any time I speak with people like Emma or the guy in the video, I always have a tendency to look in their eyes. For people who are logical or skeptical, there is often a curiosity and depth to their eyes. You can see when a person has that spark of intelligence and/or wonder. For people who are strong believers or highly emotional without logic, they often seem to have an emptiness, a scared or dead look in their eyes. Sometimes they have small beady eyes that show a lack of intelligence, or large crazy eyes that seem like they are looking through you instead of at you. It isn't always 100%, but I can often measure and trust people based solely on the eyes.
Freedom of speech is a beautiful, if messy, thing. When you give everyone a platform to speak their mind and their beliefs, you allow the fools the opportunity to show themselves.
Church is weird right? Like you almost have to put on a performance for not only god but the people around you and personally I’ve always gotten the feeling people hide their true feelings about you in that sort of situation.
What pretty much every Christian who's said something like "what's the point of life without God" fails to realise is that they _already_ have meaning in their life apart from God (and whether or not life would have meaning without God has nothing whatsoever to do with whether God actually exists). If they are pursuing a career they enjoy, if they have any hobbies, if they have any friends, if they're romantically involved with anyone, if they do anything outside of spending every moment trying to worship God, spread his word and do his will, then logically those things provide some degree of purpose and meaning to them. We would be bothered by people believing in Santa, Bigfoot, etc. if: - A large portion of the adult population believed that, as is the case with religion - Those beliefs resulted in people spreading bigoted and harmful ideas, as they do with religion (e.g. saying that homos_xuality is wrong or denying overwhelming scientific evidence) - And/or they caused more direct harm due to their beliefs, as many religious do (e.g. by acting on their harmful ideas or by traumatising children by convincing them that their close friends will suffer for all eternity, and they might suffer too if they're not careful). Every atheist who's engaged with apologists would vehemently disagree that any evidence apologists have presented is "objectively good enough". Atheists point out many, many flaws with arguments for Christianity. So either this guy hasn't heard any of that, or he's simply denying the validity of the rebuttals. I love how these Christians believe that they should be kind and humble (or at least most Christians would consider those core values of Christianity) and then they spend an entire video just insulting a group of people, trying to show how much better than them they are and asserting what others believe without taking the time to try to understand what they actually believe. Either you get to be a good Christian OR you get to be an a-hole, but you can't have it both ways.
Concerning the part about meaning. I think most decent apologists try to claim that by meaning, they are speaking only of ultimate meaning. Because if it's not existing for eternity, it's only a temporary, and pale version of meaning or purpose. And usually it's not at all clear, because they don't seem to like to even address the sort of meaning that you and I actually speak of in real life. Rather than some imaginary afterlife.
This is a great response! I honestly think the fact that apologetics exist at all is evidence that the Christian god isn't real. Something that is real and exists in nature doesn't need to have endless human-constructed arguments to justify its existence. It would just be accepted as true, in much the same way its accepted that the sky is blue and the grass is green.
Well, when they say that they mean in an overarching big picture way. And the thought of the answer to that question being 'nothing' is too difficult to deal with. But even for the religious, I don't quite know what the point of life could be anyway. If it's just a waiting room for heaven...that's the most pointless thing I can imagine.
My personal Meaning or Point to life is... To be, I suppose. There doesn't need to be a great plan for me. Simply being and experiencing life is enough.
Definatly agree with you. If this guy has the absolute undeniable evidence that a God exists... Why doesn't he show it? My disbelief in God isn't because I don't want to believe. My disbelief is because I have never been presented undeniable empirical evidence. An ancient book filled with inconsistencies and contradictions, supplemented with endless streams of philosophical arguments proves nothing. One argument I see a lot of theists use is "Jesus exists because his life was so well documented. So much is written about him!" ... Using that same logic, I can prove that Spongebob Squarepants actually exists, because his life has been even more documented than Jesus...
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11:09 - Have this guy Google "Oklahoma Senate Bill 1470"
1) Teachers can be fined $10,000 per incident where they teach something "OFFENSIVE" to a person's religious belief.
2) Allows parents to ban books that they perceive as "anti-religious"
You love frogs, Emma?!? You just earned a whole bunch of points in my book! I'm an amphibian enthusiast and I love finding other people who also appreciate them.
Also, fantastic video! This guy has no clue, and you did a great job refuting his "arguments". Keep it up!
Do you think anybody would watch channel where a theist tears apart other theists' bad arguments?
I get really annoyed with these schmucks. I mean I am a religious believer but I freely admit that I don't have a good reason for it. It's just personal experiences. And the level of dishonesty I see in these... characters... is just unnerving.
@@jarodstrain8905 "...I don't have a good reason for it. It's just personal experiences."
Congratulations!! You've just won the "Only Honest Christian in the World" award!.
Also, not that it's a channel, but I've seen interesting debates wherein theists tear apart the arguments of other theists, specifically regarding old and young earth creationism and other matters of historicity and literalism. So, theoretically, such a channel could exist and I'd watch at least some of it.
"I'm not afraid of God, I'm afraid of human beings using God to do atrocious things."
Absolutely nailed it.
James, you reply to like every comment and I genuinely don’t know what you are trying to say
That is perfect.
This is perfect, exactly how I feel about it.
@@skeletonofflavor2716 To me, it seems like they're just some two-bit Devout Theist who is not only new to Apologetics,
but one who only just now found the Nonsense Creationist Talking-Point 'Argument' of: "IF God isn't real, why do you Atheists talk about Him so much?!"
Tho, of course, IF that's the case then they certainly aren't the brightest cookie in the crayon-jar, considering how pitiful & easily destroyed that "argument" is.
A better way to put it would be, "I'm not afraid of God, I'm afraid that people who believe in God will act on that belief in a way that has negative impact."
If you need religion to have morals, I am glad that you have found religion.
You don't need religion to have morals
@@wyleecoyotee4252 Exactly, but that's not the point of the comment.
The point of the comment is that people who say "Morality can't exist without god" (or some other variation of this sentiment) sounds like they were projecting their thoughts on morality and would seem like if these people were atheists themselves, they would be doing immoral acts left and right.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 that’s the point
If they need religion to give them a moral framework then they don’t have a sense of morality so it’s best to just let them have it so they don’t just go and eat a baby or something
Honestly, if someone says that they need the threat of being tossed in some sort of eternal existential shithole to not be a shite person, they probably weren't that great of a person to begin with.
Either that or am completely terrified, not sure which, it really depends.
"I'm afraid of human beings using God as an excuse to do atrocious things."
YES 100% YES
Also be afraid they might learn to use a program to do it for them also one day 🙄
Edit : was a bot above this comment this was directed to but im leaving it in for clarifacation to replies, thanks for kicking it out tho👍
as the saying goes, good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. but for good people to do bad things that takes religion.
@@howardpalys6929 lol funny but naaah not really accurate
ive seen good people do bad things cause they had no choice left but the one.
Ive seen bad people when they thought noone would see or just somthing clicked in em to do good .
Think itd be hard to describe most those times i saw em and not be in violations with agreement policy here .
@@howardpalys6929 those are called cults, and not every religion is one.
a lot are tho.
@@pallingtontheshrike6374 I know what a cult is, or at least I have a good idea. The Moonies, Scientology, Jehovah's Witnesses. ETC, to name a few. some argue that any and all religions are cults, in a way they could be but yeah I know what a cult is.
I, an atheist: don’t need a "moral accountability" I’m able to be a good person without needing to be scared
It's the otherway around going by what they say. Us atheist have moral accountability to the whole world and the people around us and the only way out of it is to stay indoors or go live in a cave.
Christians would be the one's rejecting all their accountability we all share because they follow a god who exists for them to push their accountability onto. And then also get an accountability free card by admitting faith in Christ on their death bed.
So it's an reversal or projection fallacy when they strawman an atheist as not wanting accountability when it's actually direct acceptance of accountability towards everyone and everything because, we don't have a magic big brother to throw his kid under the bus for us, so that we don't have to be responsible for everything. 💁♂️
Hence the good works are nothing, faith is all because gawd promised to do everything if we just believe in him, narrative that most denominations but not all go by.
What is good by your definition because other atheist can disagree with your stance as to what is good. Example stalin would disagree with many of your views. Stalin was atheist…..also who decides right and wrong according to you?
IMPOSSIBLE! I ACCUSE YOU OF WITCHCRAFT!
@@jdos5643
1 the definition of good.
2. Societal wellbeing and responsibilities at large. Despite what your dishonesty would have you believe, subjective morals aren't arbitrary and no one opinion nor claim was made equal.
Hence it's not morality if there's no deliberations and moralizing in the foundation.
The foundations of good doesn't go away simply because it's inconvenient for your God's subjective amoral impulses to go against what is good just to get his way.
It's funny, you complain dishonestly about people not taking moral responsibility yet you're the one shunting it off on an non demonstrable God so you can go moraly scott free and then justify immoral action by stating your God commands it.
There's simply no morality in your system and no accountability. It's why it fails as a system, and allows for everything and all along you simply apologize to a made up person because it's easier than to look a real person in the eye. Lmao.
@@guytheincognito4186 there is no such thing as objective morality with atheist. You define good by a dictionary. Doesn’t mean you make the rules across the board in a godless point of view. Who decides right and wrong. What you decide as right others will disagree. Also something for you to keep in mind. Honesty and truth are Christian attributes not atheist ones. How then can atheist claims even be trusted when they themselves have no moral objective platform to stand on? Atheism Doesn’t work. In the world of politics atheism=communism. Also we don’t apologize to a creator when we fall short for nothing. We acknowledge it is God who crated Everything therefore he makes the rules. If we lie we ask for forgiveness since lying is something detestable with God. If we use profanity the same or other bad things he lets us know about. The idea God has is to make those who adhere to his word become good in every sense of the word. Not wicked or vile. For this we know that Christian’s are not the reason you lock your doors at night.
His strawman is next level. He took a strawman, set it on fire, and used the ashes to make arguments.
and he crucified the strawman
if only his strawman had a brain
Then put the ashes in a bowl of chilli and ate it
@@Fade_NB cartman behavior
This seemed to be a hayl marry… hehe
I think the most terrifying aspect of his rant is that he is outright admitting that without a God to punish him, there is zero reason to be a decent human being. If that doesn’t scare anyone listening to this BS, it should.
What often ends up being the case once zealots lose their zeal is that they discover their own real motivations for behaving morally. Some find that they're actually to afraid of human authority and/or societal judgement to act on their darker instincts, and some find that they actually did have the inner motivation to be good to their fellow humans after all. In both cases, when they lose their religion, they are merely shedding a pretense.
Anyone making these arguments is way overdue for a conservatorship and locked ward psychiatric treatment...
think how scared i was when i saw this argument on a popular child's program
@danbryson3491 Religion is a good thing for good people and a horrible thing for the wicked.
@@davidpeppers551False hope is never worth the sacrifices needed to maintain it.
This is a spectacular demonstration of projection. He’s literally just laying out his own repressed thought process and attributing it to atheists.
It's really sad to watch. (and cringey)
This was my exact take from his performance. That and the fact that if he made each of his points only once this video would have been 60 seconds long rather than running on repeat for 30 minutes.
Also, the balls on him presuming such a greater level of factual support for his side of the debate than has ever been since before the Enlightenment.
Its exactly the same process as the whole "without god we'd be raping an murdering" argument.
@@slevinchannel7589 Agreed, I actually just left a comment that I’d pay him to call AXP and try this with Matt Dillahunty. I don’t think he would even be able to last more than a few minutes on the phone with Matt, and the actual arguments that he presents.
I'm an atheist simply because I see no evidence that any of the theist views represents objective reality better than science.
Or at all...
I like to think of religious faith as being what enquiring minds came up with before the age of rationality and science. Humans constantly seek explanations for things, it's just a shame that a proportion of us seem unable to let go of the old systems when we come up with something that is unarguably better, more accurate and more use.
@@davidpaylor5666 isn't it quite literally what people came up with before science became a popular thing?
@@ronaid-with-an-i Isn't that what I said?
@@davidpaylor5666 you said you like to think it's like that, I suggested it actually is like that
My husband was ready to join seminary straight out of highschool, and he read the entire bible to prepare... which is why he's now one of the most hardcore skeptical atheists I know.
As for my beliefs, I went to a christian school from kindergarten through 8th grade, but had never really believed in any of it, thinking Jesus was just something like santa or the Easter bunny. I was around ten when I finally realized all the adults around me *actually believed* all this stuff and I became very concerned.
>thinking Jesus was just something like santa or the Easter bunny. I was around ten when I finally realized all the adults around me actually believed all this stuff and I became very concerned
Ok this is actually hilarious. Reminds me of J. Jonah Jameson in spiderman 1 with "hahaha. Wait. You're serious?"
After I left church I watched Harry Potter and Saturday morning cartoons all day you couldn't take me off the couch
Very similar to me. I read biblical stories and the greek, roman, arthurian myths. I even got 1st place in a divinity class, but then I realised that I was supposed to believe that the biblical stories were true and the others weren't. To me they were all just stories. Yeah, I think I was 12.
This really is one of the hilarious points of religion. They tell kids all kind of fairy tales, but at some point try to convince them "so, 90% of the fairytales we told you are just a human invention, but this specific one about God and Jesus, that's TOTALLY real"
lol same
I find it rather enjoyable how, despite Atheism being a rejection of ALL religion, this guy still equates it to only being about HIS religion.
@James Henry Smith Why are you spamming this comment? You ok bro?
and they use the exact same reasoning to say other gods does not exist
I am an atheist but I don’t feel as much hate for Buddhism then for other religions that believe one god is above us all and he created us.
Because as far as I am aware Buddhism hasn’t done any atrocities in the name of the religion. So they are cool.
But Christianity and Islam for example have done shit that has no excuses.
@@Manie230 Polystheistic religions tend to be less centralized, less politically involved and more diverse. I'll explain these points for two monotheistics religions:
Centralization: Catholic Christianity and Sunni Islam (to give 2 examples) had a strict hierarchy, with the religious leaders at the top, and local priests at the bottom.
Political involvement: The pope and Caliph respectively had extensive political (worldly) as well as religious (spiritual) power and influence.
Diversity: Both Catholics and Sunnites cracked down on 'dissidents', see the Inquisition and Sunni-Shia split, often more aimed at 'wrong' Christians and Muslims than people of other religions.
Polytheistic religions are often more focused around local temples, have much less political power and are more accepting of different opinions within the religion. That last point does not mean they don't have religious dogma, but they tend to be more accepting of new or alternative viewpoints.
These distinctions are not absolute. The ancient Egyptians were polytheistic, but had a very centralized religion. Protestant Christianity (especially in Europe) tends to be more like how I described polytheistic religions.
P.S. I study economic history, not cultural history, so this is not my area of expertise.
The number of Christians who define theism as 'believe in God' with a capital G....
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As a child, I heard the word atheist for the first time. I asked my mother what that word meant. She explained, "someone that doesn't believe god exists". In my mind: "Waaaaait... this is a position you can have? It's not as clear as the priests, school teachers and media make it appear to be?"
Was an atheist after that.
Is it weird that even after finding out what being an atheist means, I'd still prefer being considered nonreligious?
@@magi-yoshi41 I don't live in the US, where the word has weird connotation. Also, it was way before reddit-atheism. Dunno, I just take the word as it is.
I used to be forced to go to church when I was a kid and sometime about at age 7 I decided it was all nonsense. It wasn’t until sometime in middle school I heard the word atheist and found out the position I’d adopted on my own was a real thing and that other people who thought the same existed.
@@magi-yoshi41 That’s personally fine, I don’t care about labels really. If one were to ask I’d say atheist, but despite that I’m open to the idea I may be wrong, since I simply think there’s not enough evidence to determine one should believe in god or any other deities. Which would to some make me an agnostic atheist, albeit I choose not to use that since I’m not exactly the biggest fan of saying I’m ‘agnostic’ because the problem with agnosticism is that in the last 2,400 years of intellectual history, not a single argument for the existence of God has withstood scrutiny.
I’m not necessarily the biggest fan of the term. This is why: I don’t believe Santa Claus is a real person who flies around in a sleigh led by reindeer delivering presents. I am a Santa Claus atheist. Even though there’s nothing logically impossible about this phenomenon, I’m not a Santa Claus agnostic. (That is, a large man in a red suit delivering presents at the speed of light is not a logical contradiction.) and in the end I just find them unnecessary.
If someone wanted to say that I’m an agnostic atheist or agnostic I wouldn’t really care, since again labels aren’t something I dwell on.
@@TheDeathOmen technically you are asantaclausist as theist would men believer in a god and the A basically means non so using the pattern what you said is you don’t believe in Santa as a god
I love the whole "you just want to drink, smoke, and have sex all the time" aka "you just wanna sin" argument. If I just wanted to "sin", I would be christian, because that would mean that all my sins are forgiven and I don't have to accept responsibility for my actions.
If I wanted to sin I would need to first have a belief. 😄 I moved to Ireland for a spell in my twenties and they told me all about sin and what was considered sinful. Coming from Sweden it was a bit of a shock finding out that just living your life as normal was sinful. Like living with someone you loved without being married. On the other hand things that were clearly illegal at home and that made me very upset when seeing in Ireland, like people spanking their children, were apparantly Christian things to do and perfectly all right... 🤯
I had a cuckoo Christian try to get in my pants and asked him, wasn't that a sin? He said, No, you're a heathen so you're already going to hell, but I will be forgiven so it's ok. I had to explain to him the difference between a heathen and a nonbeliever. So he called me pagan instead. This was all pretty amusing because the more he talked, the less likely he was to get me in bed with him. This was my very first encounter with a Baptist. I'd never met one before. It was all quite bizarre. I was used to the laissez-faire Catholics in New Orleans, where I grew up.
@@erikaeriksson9840 many fundamental homes are rife with abuse, not just physical but there is a lot of sexual abuse, In ireland they found mass graves were disgraced unmarried women who got pregnant went to give birth in secret, its horrifying and sad, but I bet DNA testing would reveal a whole lot of eye openers.
I don't drink anymore but I do smoke weed, wear panties and skirts exclusively and would not be accepted by their lord and savior
plus you'd have to believe that what you're doing is "sinning" in the first place. EDIT: sorry, didn't read the comment that already said what i said.
If pastors had the same powers as D&D clerics you'd better believe I'd be a christian
Personally I think I would start comparing which one gives me the best range of powers
After all why go all healing with YWHW when you could go Apollo and get some lesser healing but some magic arrows or something
They'd probably like to think they're a DnD cleric when really they're more like a Dark Souls miracle build. The only miracle here is how low their INT stat is.
Are you feeling the miracle build now, Old Man?
I've made this exact same conclusion before when rationalizing what definitive proof could be for Christianity. People don't believe in the gods in dnd because of only faith, their faith or believe literally gives people radical magic that does miracles and is open distributed across a whole lot of believers and followers of the God. Hell, sometimes the God just talks to the followers on a regular basis. It's not hard to believe in someone so blatantly in front of them.
Pathfinder has a book on various religions and related doctrines within their setting, including atheism. Most of those would just be people that don't worship any god in particular, but I find it absolutely hilarious to imagine someone who staunchly does not believe in divine entities which are absolutely demonstrably real
Even then, id still question their domain.
How to tell me you've never actually talked to an atheist without outright saying so in 11 minutes
He openly admitted to ignoring Logicked's response videos and not having watched them in a video that was a response to Logicked.
As a kid brought up suuuper into religion, I think the idea of god being real is so affirmative, that it becomes a given. You don't try to disprove a given, its literally a given. You try to form arguments and conclusions around any given given. So I guess it kinda makes sense. If god is real, all the proof, one way or another, must prove he is real. If the evidence says god is real, athiests must be ignoring the evidence. The logic is sound, its just based on a moronic false given of "God exists"
@@mwperk02 exactly what I was thinking. This is all theater. He doesn't care or hasn't researched any of the actual arguments. He ignored logicked responses. He is being deliberately ignorant. I doubt he'll ever learn anything new.
he did but he just didnt like it. the arguments presented to him, it scared him and he just didnt like it
@@ZJasmineDragon well depending on how you perceive reality, God IS a near-factual given. Not saying that this moron has any ground, this guys incompetent I'm just being a little nitpicky as someone who was raised as a SOUTHERN BAPTIST FUNDAMENTALIST (1 step away from a cult) that immediately after highschool became... well what actually am I? Agnostic I guess is closest, but in the traditional sense I think Atheist fits better since my idea of God doesn't conform to religious definitions? I digress, on to my evidence and point.
For instance, did you know that mathematically the Universe is not Physical in nature, but Empirical (idk a better word, datalike implies it's almost data rather than actually data) in nature. Quantum mechanics proves this. The smallest particles are simply 1 bit, which is why when we observe them they can only give us one piece of determined information. It isn't accepted as fact because having the math prove it isn't acceptable as a full proof, but it makes literally everything that we don't understand about the universe make a lot more sense. Now with that in mind, what is the difference between saying the universe is spiritual vs empirical? In Genesis, God created the universe and everything in it only by speaking the words, which is rather metaphorical as without a medium of sound it is impossible to actually speak. It is better to say he created the universe by introducing the concepts of the universe to reality. In other words, there is no difference between an Emperical universe and a Spiritual universe from a religious perspective.
And the fact of the matter is, even if no Entity exists that created the universe, the Big Bang still happened, the Universe is still Emperical, and some arbitrary rules determine everything about the universe without any actual reason for it to be that way, or any determinism as to how our physics is formed at all. In other words, even if no theological essence of God is out there and there is no soul, Physics is still God. Whether or not Physics is aware of itself would be literally impossible to determine from inside the universe and not all religions agree that God is self-aware or self-deterministic.
Furthermore try to remember that the scale of 0D-1D-2D-3D-4D-5D->
If there is a higher dimensional plane, then they are Gods to us both literally and figuratively by definition, and from our finite experience there is no way to actually determine if something is of a higher dimension.
There are many educated ways to generically induct that God is real. There is no way to deduce it as there is no deductive method yet that defines all physical parameters.
For a Christian apologist he has the most secular Christmas decorations ever
Speaking as a Christian I really don’t find that surprising at all. Simply because having religious Christmas ornaments feels almost sacrilegious in a way. Tbc what i mean by that is that it feels very consumeristic and like its appropriating my religion to get me to buy things rather than actually focusing on the spiritual aspect of Christmas.
@@kpeters9775 As with many other customs, it really depends on what type of Christian you are. Many sects consider the nativity story to be central to their belief. Others don't celebrate Christmas at all, because the biblical evidence actually puts Jesus' birth in the spring time.
The true meaning of winter soltice!
@broKen73484 I'm sure that there are numerous belief systems that use the evidence of writing supporting them (and no other evidence) and refuse to debate, that you could also believe in.
@@broKen73484The point of a debate is for two or more people with conflicting ideas to attempt to discuss why they believe their idea is more correct. In an ideal situation, everyone present acts in good faith and attempts to approach it in an open manner, leading to an ultimately friendly exchange of ideas.
I went to Catholic school for kindergarten, one day after school I went into the fridge made a ham sandwich
I took the first bite, and my brother yelled at me. He said I was going to hell for eating meat on a Friday.
I looked at him then at the sandwich and decided that since I was past the point of no return, I might as well finish the sandwich.
not sure he thought that one through. What were you meant to do, un-eat the sandwich?
@@RomanticoutlawI mean, he didn’t say to un-eat the sandwich. He just said he was going to hell
I find that funny how I follow that BS for 30 years, then I woke up.
Is that time zone specific or does it count if it's Friday somewhere?
Interesting that Jews and Roman Catholics don't regard fish as meat. One of my brothers is a vegetarian and he does not eat fish.
2 minutes into this video: I'm sure he can't possibly keep this "satire" up for the whole video, he'll definitely make some actual arguments at some point
30 minutes into this video: oh
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I can't believe it. He did it. I've been an Agnostic for years but he really did it!
I'm an Atheist now! Well Done!
Very funny
Agnostic doesnt mean ur not an atheist, theres agnostic theism and agnostic atheism
congrats on joining the dark side...here's your cookie.
@@hermionegardener3796 Mmmmm... Devil's food! 8D
Dr. Richard Dawkins is an Agnostic Atheist, so you were always an Atheist.
"Morality is secular, I'm going to have another sweet." - A true champion.
I want that printed on a shirt 🤣🤣
@@MissFluffyPink there’s no such thing as objective morality with atheism. Atheist have no platform on which to stand on to make moral or ethical distinctions. Morality along with conscience are God given. Only way this can be. Also if an atheist was truly honest with themselves, they wouldn’t be atheist to begin with.
Me on my way to eat an entire jar of Nutella: God may judge me but he is not here to stop me.
“If the only reason why you’re a good person is because you’re afraid of eternal punishment, then you’re not a good person” -Somebody, idk.
Nonsense.
@@JamesWillis-yy5pxit’s actually true and the reason is simple because me and most atheist people are good people without religion, and if you need religion to be good person it means you will do bad thing, if someone doesn’t hold a leash on you ( magical sky dad ) so that you don’t do bad things then you are not good person. Simple as that and if you don’t understand what I’m saying understandable because if you could you would not belief in ( imaginary dad ) but you can also lie if you want
@@Sweeti924 Except, you are lying. Atheists are not good people. Atheists are far below most religious groups in their moral growth.
Atheists use the name of the Messiah as a curse word. That is how evil they are, they use Jesus name as a curse word.
Just imagine if people walked around using your mothers name as a curse word! And her crime? Healed the blind, brought people back to life, told people to treat each other with love?
Atheists are wicked to their core, that is why they are Atheists to begin with. That is what you don't understand. All of the Famous Atheist preachers, are Satanists behind closed doors, and use follow them because use are wicked like them!
@@Sweeti924 Many do, do bad things, they hide behind the organized church of the sky fairy and some even use the power of the sky fairy to gain access to more victims.
What does it mean to be a good person? Or more explicitly how do you know something is good versus something else being evil?
I like how practically everything he says is what Christian’s say to try to defend there faith but he just pretends it’s atheists who do that
Tbf some do tho, not all but some. Its the same with Christians not all do this but some, and just like everything else in life the majority is blamed for the minority.
@@jethrodark2372 very true, I think people should say "some" christians, or specify in a way, because there are christians who are grounded in science
@@ferlamer4240 No one who believes in a God or miracles is grounded in science. They can only accept science provisionally, but they cannot consistently apply scientific thinking and arrive at such conclusions.
@@AbandonedVoid I disagree. someone can fully believe in science, and still believe there is a god. I never said anything about miracles either. There isn't really evidence for or against a god, so believing in them wouldn't really go against science. I can't argue about this that well, because I personally am an athiest, but I assure you that way of thinking does exist. there are coincidences, how someone has been raised, and how someone has been treated that influence their beliefs. I would like to remind you that a fair amount of Christians know that the bible is not infallible, and do use scientific thinking.
@@ferlamer4240 Believing in claims without evidence, especially unfalsifiable claims, is very unscientific.
I love the theist "argument" of "you don't want to be held accountable", when they believe in a god that will simply die for them and rectify them of all wrongdoing and that even the worst sinner can be forgiven just by converting to their faith.
@James Henry Smith ....what?
@@jettythesunfish yeah, I’m also confused. Are they talking about the entertainment industry or something? So confused. And why Asia specifically?
@@grillythestargazer2750 He is copy-pasting that comment under a bunch of threads
Yeah, they all just assume that. My answer to my brother is, "it's a real perk to be able to live how I want, but it never entered my mind until you accused me of it."
These people are simply reasoning within the incredibly constrained reasoning they've been allow to use their whole lives. My brother is 45 years old, and is one of the most inside the box thinkers I've ever known. It's clear to nearly everyone he's ever interacted with that he is incapable of independent thought, and has never wanted to be outside the bubble. He once told me that in his early 20s, he did do some soul searching, but that all this "scientific stuff" in the Bible proved to him to not stray. You, know stuff like the Muslims saying "salt and fresh water don't mix" (they clearly do lol) but from the Bible. Any idiot could see through that nonsense, and would not just accept "evidence" from other believers at face value.
I was flabbergasted, and I gave up on him right there. He just lacks the intellect (or intellectual courage?) to ever break free.
@James Henry Smith oh sorry let me fix your comment, I think you meant 2000 year old herecy spewed by vile Yahwist trash.
The simplest possible way for me to explain why I'm an atheist is this: contradictory points of view can't all be right... but they _can_ all be *wrong* .
I'll worship whichever god my cats worship, humans used to think disease were spread by bad smells. Cant trust them. But cats know whats up
@@violenceisfun991 This... This right here should be the moral and spiritual standard of all people.
cats know what's up
@@violenceisfun991 *We could make a religion out of this.*
@@violenceisfun991 Cats worship themselves
I always like to say there are far more ways to be wrong about reality than right about it, so any given belief is unlikely to be true a priori. The only reliable way to get something approaching truth is via rigorous rationality and evidence like what science does... and even science is far from perfect, which is why it's always changing.
The logic behind the "Without God, there is no purpose or morals" argument leads me to believe that if God was ever factually disproved, these same people who say these things would become criminals...
I mean, it’s already factually disproven, isn’t it?
The law isn’t transcendental at all
Criminal isnt bad if the laws are bad
What initially killed my faith was the realization that billions of people, honestly believed that their all loving God, would condemn billions of people from outside of their sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-subsection of a group, to an eternity of unimaginable torture, for picking the wrong religion. It didn't matter the strength of your faith, or your good deeds, or how much you improved the lives of others. The idea of a loving God leaving all of their children clueless, and the vast majority happily believing that the vast majority would justifiably suffer an eternal hell fire, never added up
And oddly enough, the rate of crime, violence, and incarceration in a country isn't tied to that country's level of atheism, but to its religiousity, the complete opposite of what these people claim.
Careful with claims like these. Even if there is correlation between religion and crime, that doesn't mean there is causation.
@@RainbowDashShadesOfApproval Yeah Ecological fallacy I think...
I watch a video from a pastor on UA-cam, like he's a good guy, he thinks that the hell is empty. Like when you introduce to god, he is this kind of perfect kind, loving being, but when you look at scripture and see what he has done, he is way different.
@@RainbowDashShadesOfApproval I realize that what I said is a potential "ad hoc" fallacy, but it's more proof against their claim than for it.
@@hidarimak oh, I see what you mean, so like "the data doesn't back up what you are saying, causation or not" type of thing. I get it now.
As a fellow Dragon Quest fan, I appreciated the analogy.
I feel like you being a Dragon Quest fan makes a lot of sense. Lol.
To be fair, the thing that makes it nerdy is the reference to a specific game, but a similar thing is present in a lot of games and videogames are pretty much mainstream now. Not everybody has played Dragon Quest (WHICH ONE?!), but most people have played *something*.
You both Dragon Quest enthusiasts!? Unholy shit! Absolutely Cool! Have you both seen Dai no Daibouken? Its a Dragon Quest Spin-off anime that is absolutely GREAT! There's a manga (good as fuck) an old anime adaptation (incomplete) and a new anime (ongoing to the end of the manga) that is what I recommend. You will love it, 100% guaranteed!
Honestly, I would probably take D&D Atheist Cleric position and just say "what makes them a god? The fae, archdevils, archdemons, old ones, and other thing can do similar things too. Even some sorcerers and druids can heal people too. So why should I worship them?"
@James Henry Smith people have literally been saying similar things for the last 2000 years. My parent's pastor told them that Obama was the antichrist and wouldn't step down, then he did. then a few month ago he swore that he personally knew Benjamin Netenyahu and that Benny told him that Israel was going to nuke someone within a few weeks. That was months ago. And now he's saying that Russia invading the Ukraine is going to kick off nuclear WWIII and that is the apocolypse.
If we ever do get an apocolypse, he'll probably get it right only because a broken clock is right twice a day.
I was taught as a Christian teenager that God encourages questions and I questioned my way right out of belief in God, so that was handy, result! It was the only logical option left after a while.
I tried that too. Got kicked out of the mandatory (for middle and high school where I live) class of "Theology". Was I going to go into theological studies? No, I wanted to be a programmer. but theological sermons disguised as "learning about the various religions of this world!" is a MANDATORY LESSON. In a developed (well, we like to think we are, personally I think our politicians are hairless monkeys with half the wit an actual monkey has) country. Imagine going home and being told "you won't get into that good science uni you want to because you failed theology". THE DISSONANCE.
Same thing happened to me if I’m not mistaken there are scriptures in the Bible that tell you to question… Maybe that’s how you know you’ve passed the test lol I loved your post
LOL. Same here my brothers with common sense. I remember getting in huge trouble for literally "Asking too many questions". Even as children we were able to use basic deduction. SMH The only time I ever went back for a mass or some teen bible class was for the chicks bruh.
every human utilizes the cognitive toolkit that is logic. most persons perceive their version of logic as sufficiently complete. not every person attains an equal proximity to the platonic form of logic.
I got the “it’s okay to question as long as you come to the right answer,” which is basically saying you can question as long as you keep believing anyway.
Emma, as a German I very much admire the sound of your voice. The pronounciation of every word is so clear ... maybe because you are thinking in such a clear way.
I appreciate your friendly smile and humour in those debates.
Please keep up your courage and your spirit !
Ich freue mich über die vielen Atheistischen Kanäle. ❤
The trauma from leaving my religion and my past belief in hell, is 90 percent of what I talk to my therapist about.
I am so happy that you talk to a therapist about it and I am so sorry that you need to because religion is so abusive and traumatizing.
Emma asked to tell her why we are an atheist. I already spammed my thoughts earlier so I was kind of looking for an excuse. I know she will read comments and see them pop up in notification somewhere and not replies to them. But I think my reasons will do you good to hear so I'll give them to you.
Reason nr. 1: I am pretty convinced that the world/universe we live in isn't guided nor created by a loving god. From a loving god I would at the very least expect some measure to prevent faith based religions because believing without evidence isn't reliable, sustainable, or helpful, and I would expect a clear instruction not to worship but strive for happiness and well being instead.
Reason nr. 2: I don't care if there's any (other) god, because everything good in my life is because of how nature functions and how people have progressed through the millennia, despite all the mistakes people made and the conservative stunting or blocking of progress. I am with _you!_ I owe you and people like you my life and gratitude.
So thank you! Thank you for your integrity that revealed trauma and made your life harder than it would have been if you successfully kept your head in the clouds. Thank you for your honesty that might have made things harder for you when you left the religion. Thank you for your example of choosing your humanity over fantasy. You are a great example to humanity and your mere existence and choices and trauma and the ways you deal with it is a threat to faith and the harms it does to us.
If a god now showed up and asked me to grovel for it, I choose my solidarity for you, you personally are enough to keep me from worshiping and I don't even know you but you've shown me enough to value you you far more than I would any god that asks me to worship it. And you're not the only great person. I have millions to live for, that I'm grateful for. Any of them could perish and millions have. My freedom came at a cost, a cost of blood. I can't waste that on a god. I love people and myself too damn much to even consider that an option. My life is in service of a better future for us all, because I am grateful for those who did that for me and the people I love.
Anyway. Heavy stuff there in the end, but basically I just love living, learning and enjoying stuff and sharing it and I know that that is something I instinctively do because it's genetically ingrained in all social animals. That gives me comfort. If I break a leg, people will keep the world going while I recover. We got each other's back, even if we don't see it, are selfish, are being dumb. I wish we all saw that every now and again and realized it, how beautiful we are, inevitably, inherently.
I hope you have a wonderful day and if it's not today I hope you'll very much enjoy something you like enjoying another time.
:-(
I think we're on the same "plane". Religion was suppossed to get me to heaven and it only landed me in the hospital for "erratic" people otherwise known as wacky. Oh well.
I’m right there with you. I am on my journey of exploring my beliefs and the only thing i got from my childhood religion is a fear of hell. My fear of hell has started to eat away at me and i absolutely hate it. It’s all i think about at night.
@@yaoipurpleheart if you want something that might help. research the history of hell and satan in and out of scripture. The good news is you'll find that the Satan we knew as christians, isn't a bible character, but a character from Dantes Inferno. That's where most of what we believe about Satan came from. You only get snippets in the bible that are totally context errors most of the time.
The down side is that the fear of hell would be sensible if hell were real. You have the same problem I have. When they told you about hell, it was serious and you took it seriously. The fear will stay there, but you can learn to deal with it. I deal with bouts of hell fear and the only thing I can do is try and reground myself in what I've leaned.
On a side note, look to the Jews in Isreal. Have you ever noticed they don't talk much about Satan or hell? There's just not much that's really in the old testament when it was originally written. Check out Rabbi Tovia Singer. I'm not Jewish, but it's hard not to like this guy. He's an encyclopedia of most religions and has a better heart than most people I've met. I guarantee you will like the information you find and it will help.
I love how he tries to mock atheists with the whole "my response to all this evidence is that I don't like it, so I refuse to believe it" line, considering that that seems to be the very argument half the theists who make these ridiculous videos use.
Especially when it comes to science and how it disproves their Bible.
"I don't understand it, and I don't like it, so science must be lying to us."
@@DJMaul1031 Science doesn't disprove their bible in the same way the science doesn't disprove the existence of magic. There simply isn't any evidence to prove that the content of the bible is true but plenty of things in the bible is morally abhorrent under today's standard - such as nowhere in the bible does it condemn slavery.
@@AntonyTCurtis the Bible claims the earth was created before the sun. Science disproves this, plain and simple.
@@AntonyTCurtis ''such as nowhere in the bible does it condemn slavery.''
Depends how you interpret the text in the bible.
@@ciri151 It defines how it should be carried out. It’s not really a justification for it - but it’s also very far from a condemnation of it
Emma has alot more patience than me. This guy was wearing thin about 2 minutes in. It was worth hanging to the end to hear Emma articulate some rationality. Cheers.
Aight, guess I'm sticking around to the end
Half way through and this guy still had nothing new or mildly interesting but since her commentary seems worthy I will persevere
...you got as far as two minutes? You're a better man than I am, Gunda Din.....
Jesus was a real person
@@The_Alethonym there is no true proof on the existence of jesus as a person
Hey you want a weird feeling about what christians believe? Read Ezekiel 23 and realize I read that bible chapter as a 14 year old in bible school. hoo boy, sexual repressed feelings abound.
UnIronically, this dude sounds exactly like a cousin of mine who tried this crap on me when I was 16 and still identified as agnostic.
All he really managed to do was make me think about it more which pushed me into atheism
i identified as an agnostic at 15
after meeting several christians i was convinced
at 16 i identified as an atheist and still do at 60
Those are what I call "Douchebag Christians" They think they're fighting atheism when in reality, their nature pushes skeptics away from the religion. Examples would be Kent Hovind and Matt Powell.
Matt Powell is way worse though, at least Hovind is kinda funny, though unintentionally.
@@frombrumHey me too. I went into my freshman year of high school 3 years ago as a Christian, then I started questioning things, and I was agnostic in sophomore year when I was 15.
And then finally I became atheist at 16 last year, and I still am today. It's like finally opening your eyes to reality after your whole life of keeping them closed. And the frustrating part is that everyone around you including your family and classmates are all still keeping their eyes closed. Like you've stopped living in fiction and found out the truth, but everyone around you refuses to do the same. They all stay willfully ignorant, and it's disheartening to me.
@@Blake_H_888
always question your beliefs and your non beliefs
that is how science works
never be afraid to say you don't know
that's why religion doesn't work because it won't
I was indoctrinated Catholic from birth, but it was a crazy super-Catholic upbringing (so you can imagine what THAT was like). I was the one who "wanted" to be a priest (back when I thought I was a boy). Once I moved away to college (literally days after I graduated high school), I started attending church in my new city, but they didn't feel the same. They weren't "intense" enough for what I was used to. So I just eventually stopped going. I felt horrible guilt and fear of Hell for that, but after a couple years, for some reason, I couldn't bring myself to go into a church anymore.
Many years later, in my 30s, I finally started allowing myself to question my beliefs. I finally realized that what I'd believed about God, Jesus, and all that, was told to me by my parents and priests. Who told it to them? Other parents, other priests. Following that thread, I realized it was all just a game of "telephone", played over centuries, and that there was absolutely no way what I was taught could even be remotely accurate. The only actual evidence of any of that was the Bible, which my logical mind realized was only proof that people wrote these stories down.
Once that clicked, it was done. I became an atheist. I still have those irrational fears at times, as you mentioned due to my indoctrination, but those have faded over time. But shedding all that weight freed me up to learn and accept things about myself that I could NEVER have accepted if I'd remained in that Catholic mindset. And for the first time in my life, I am actually happy.
Yeah, same here, I grow up in a religious catholic household ... now an atheist ... I disagree with a guy in the video on all levels because he refuses to acknowledge that atheism is about people wanting a piece of solid evidence for the Gods' existence rather than expressions such as : I feel him in the water, I feel the God in the rain, it is written in my heart ... how else do you explain all of this and so on ... that's just a belief, not a piece of evidence, what he seems to refer as the hard evidence for God's existence are scriptures and the Bible, but these are not evidence just written text about his god by other religious people.... in reality, propaganda to promote the cause, but he refuses to accept that there is no any actual proof that any of the events in the scriptures actually happen ... may I add the first Bible was written 500 years after Jesus when there was no one alive who could possibly remember any of it, based on collection on the old text they collected across the land similarly what Brothers Grimm done for their book , collecting tales around the world for their Brothers Grimm' s collection of Fairy Tales ...
My sister was the same. Fell in love with Jesus at a young age. Saw how bitchy and hen pecky nuns can be. Ran away before even starting to think about vocation.
i firmly believe that ifnot for childhood indictrination, christiany would have died centuries ago. glad you got out okay
@@katiebarber407 Thank you. Luckily I had the benefit of being in a safe situation with people (including my wife and her parents) who are non-religious. And being hundreds of miles away from my parents.
@@maureenleah13 I love stories with happy endings. it's scary how common that origin story is and I have no idea the statistics for the result
Christians like this who """poked fun""" at atheists are what lead to me questioning my faith. I started started calling out Christians like this because I didn't think it was Christ-like behavior to blatantly misrepresent atheism (and Christians will blow a gasket if they're misrepresented right?) and when I called them out my own strong-held faith (at the time) was called into question by other Christians. So...I guess keep doing what you're doing Christian youtuber? You'll make more atheists by marginalizing other Christians...?
@James Henry Smith okay, jesus was actually a real person, whether he was the “son of god” or not is a different story.
Reddit atheist are just about as unbearable as this guy though.
@@TrueGoose117 Luckily there's no atheist holy book, church or clergy telling me that atheists can't/won't act that way. So I won't be questioning my lack of faith just because some atheists are assholes.
Hey you want a weird feeling about what christians believe? Read Ezekiel 23 and realize I read that bible chapter as a 14 year old in bible school. hoo boy, sexual repressed feelings abound.
@@dogfishrulez yes, you are free to be unbearable.
I literally burst out laughing when he started going on about atheists just wanting to sleep with whoever they want, and drink/smoke as much as they want…meanwhile I’m sitting here as a married Atheist that has never smoked, never done drugs, rarely drinks, and has slept with waaaay less people (and been in long term relationships with those people) than many of the theists I grew up around.
Also, his condescending tone was so bad I had to watch the video sped up so it wasn’t as obvious in order to make it through.
Yeah, I think you see it right. The whole "I just want to disobey" is a childish argument, from a childish outlook. So disrespectful and dishonest.
There are so many things I don't do I could literally become a Mormon without batting an eye. I already don't do all the things they have prohibitions against. But I won't become a Mormon because a) I'm an atheist, and b) that underwear fetish of theirs is just bizarre.
@@autonomouscollective2599 Hey, don't kinkshame the mormons! They're repressed enough already.
Marriage is a covenant that is ordained by God. Why get married if you're atheist? Marriage is essentially a promise to God that you won't sleep with anyone else but that very person whom you've chosen to marry.
@@savagegecko4575 marriage existed before the Christian God did, it’s a way to celebrate our love with our friends and family, it pays respects to our cultural traditions, and there are all kinds of legal reasons as well. Even when I was religious, I never really saw God as having anything to do with it because I knew that religion didn’t come into marriage until just over 1000 years ago, before that it was a legal contract that didn’t even require witnesses. Religion being involved is a new concept (relative to the concept of marriage), so I saw no reason to avoid it just because it’s something that religion has co-opted. I celebrate Christmas and Easter as well, because my culture had their own celebrations at those times that predate monotheistic religion, and I’m not giving up on my heritage just because they were stolen to make Christianity more palatable to pagan cultures either.
It's genuinely saddens me that he's so indoctrinated that he genuinely cannot entertain the idea that other people might genuinely believe he's wrong.
This guy's whole channel is based on strawman arguments and misleading claims. Lying for his god is his whole schtick. Great analysis, Emma.
The religious like him label everyone that is not in their cult so they can pour hate and misinformation. Atheist's are just as prone to lie as theists and apart from eating babies we have to own our lies, they blame the devil.
@Colin Sixhitter As someone who spent far too much time debating creationists, I've concluded that "Lying for Jesus" is the most frequently observed sacrament in all of Christendom. Martin Luther himself was an enthusiatic proponent of the practice.
I disagree that atheists are "just as prone" to lying as theists. Atheists have far fewer matters of far less consequence to lie about. Atheists may lie for material gain or temporal pleasure. Theists lie for all those reasons PLUS they are forced to lie in order to defend their entire worldview and personal identity. Atheists have no such obligation and, even if they did, they have no belief system with which to justify their dishonesty..
Most all of atheist arguments are strawmen and/or misleading.
@@markwildt5728 that is utter bullshit and projection, so please try and back up your claim.
@@markwildt5728 For you to make that claim with any honesty, you would have needed to personally interact with at least 50% of all atheists who exist. Otherwise you are completely talking out of your ass.
As an atheist, I would love nothing more than to be proven wrong and shown evidence of god and an afterlife. Nothing would bring me more joy than to know I do not need to fear death or mortality, and the comfort knowing I will see my loved ones again would be life changing. But just because that’s an amazing reality, doesn’t make it a true one. If it were though, I’d be at church every single day. But it still wouldn’t add more value to my life, if anything it would possibly devalue my appreciation for the finite time we have. I hope I can one day be proven wrong, but until then I have to stick with logical evidence.
That is , unless it's bible god.
Interesting. Just curious, even with what you know about what a jealous, homicidal, misogynistic poor designer that god would be, you would still submit to that if real?
"Nothing would bring me more joy than to know I do not need to fear death or mortality, and the comfort knowing I will see my loved ones again would be life changing."
Let me help you with the 1st half. You do not need to fear death or mortality. (Sure, death itself will be most likely painful. But, if you will be dying from a long disease, you will get presciption medication for it, and if you die in an accident, it will be over relatively quickly. So you are almost guaranteed not to suffer for too long or too big.)
And the reason you should not be afraid of death is because, most probably, what follows life is nothing. But "nothing" is not bad. It is literally nothing. You will not exist forever, just floating through space & time, or burning in fire. Your mind will die with your body. It will be like going to sleep and never waking up. That is a rather peacefu thing, if you ask me.
And for the 2nd part: you need to make the best of your relationships with your loved ones while all of you are alive. Whenever I hear the people talking about them meeting with deceased loved ones and make things right, that seems like cheating in a video game.
I'm an atheist and j don't fear death. Its the final rest. I don't have to worry about it because I can't anymore I will be relieved or my burdens forever and my name will love on to those who loved me. I don't need a heaven. I just need my memory to live with my family
If the theist is going to reverse the burden of proof, then I'll define God and they can them prove that specific God exists.
Former Christian here! His use of "convicted" throughout this video is something I have only heard in church sermons. It's a sort of emotional manipulation buzzword that they use to describe amorphous feelings of guilt or doubt. They may use it to fish for things that people feel guilty for having done/thought (usually due to the church making them feel guilty for it in the first place) or sometimes to describe this emotion that they presume atheists to have which lead those atheists to "acting out". They use it similar to "guilt" and is in line with what you were talking about in the beginning of the video. Christains presume that everyone knows that the Christain God exists and that in our hearts when we see "evidence" (a Bible verse written thousands of years ago and translated so many times that the intending meaning is as lost as the context) we feel "convicted" or guilty bc we have strayed from that. Honestly, you not knowing what he was meaning by it made me realize how weird it is lol.
Thanks for explaining this! I thought maybe he meant “conflicted”
Good explanation. It was only when I saw both Logicked and Emma totally not know about this that I realized this is a Christianese insider term. Being convicted was often attributed to the Holy Spirit.
Ah, thanks. I also was convinced he meant to say conflicted.
I’m a former Christian theist as well, and I admit I’m convicted sometimes and conflicted is pretty similar. Convicted suggests being found guilty by an external judge while conflicted suggests an internal inconsistency that is troubling. There are atheists from a secular background who lack some of the burdens and baggage that former theists bear. I find that refreshing and hopeful.
My mother died a bit over a year ago after a long illness rendering her mentally capable but unable to speak clearly. My final conversation with her included a few reassuring Christian words of comfort. Expressing my non-theist convictions ( pun intended) just wasn’t something I was prepared to do or ready to do or felt needed to express in that moment. I cherish that moment as an affirmation of love, the words go clunk but the moment rings. There’s a lot of baggage like that for former theists. It’s like the nostalgic attachment one may feel about possessions. Faith and religious practices are for me closely associated with my identity, my family and cultural upbringing. It’s good to know where you’re from, but one doesn’t have to stay there.
Exactly this. I came here to make this exact point but you made it better than I would have. “Convicted by the Holy Spirit” was the full phrase I remember, often abbreviated with just “convicted”.
I Never ever wanted to murder, rape or steal BECAUSE I have empathy. I don’t want to hurt other people.
i finally stopped being christian when i asked myself “there’s are hundreds of religions in the world, and throughout human history, what are the odds that all of them are wrong and i’m right?” seemed kinda arrogant to assume that i couldn’t possibly be the one in the wrong, the conclusion must thus be that odds are that of all of religion, mine is unlikely to be the one that is correct, but the same is true for all the others if i were to join them, so until i get some evidence that increases the odds for any one religion i’mma just sit on the sidelines as agnostic and wait and see.
Hey you want a weird feeling about what christians believe? Read Ezekiel 23 and realize I read that bible chapter as a 14 year old in bible school. hoo boy, sexual repressed feelings abound. These guys are nutty, don't try to prescribe logical thought to them.
But for me? It was the logical argument of bodily autonomy. That we can't take eyes out of dead people to give live people sight out of respect of their culture and religion. That we have to let children die because people haven't signed organ donor cards. BUT... According to christians, we can strip ANY woman of their bodily autonomy, FORCE them to carry a child to term. The catholics and christians I grew up around? They wanted abortion illegal, but they also wanted plan B gone, they wanted spermicide gone, they wanted IUDs illegal, they wanted everything but condoms deleted from reality. And even some of them hated condoms too. Fuck that shit.
"The same is true for all the others."
Yeah that part isnt true. Buddhism is atheist in nature and doesn't actually require any belief in a deity, Hinduism is what we call the amalgamation of various religious practices, practiced in India and the texts require no genuine faith nor do they insinuate that their religion is right or wrong. Local religious practices from all over the world share, exchange, and evolve with the culture and time and have been doing this for thousands of years. It is Judaism and the rise of Christianity and Islam that brought about the notions that every other religion is wrong and that there is only one God.
See before Christianity, Europe and the west had many mythologies that are known today by their ethnic and cultural ties like Germanic, Norse, Celtic, Greek, Roman, Iberian, so on and so forth. These mythologies stemmed from the same culture and linguistic group and continued to exchange and evolve as time went on yet they required no faith that their Gods were the only ones that were real. In fact, it was common practice to honor the gods of other cultures and places as you visited.
The east has not been impacted by Christianity as much as the west has so their values, cult practices, culture, and societies remained roughly intact while just about everything in the west was destroyed to make way for the new God. Though some of it remained in our cultures, it obviously wasn't accepted as religious practice.
@@brotherknight9484 i mean, at the time, it’s what i thought. i was like 14 at the time, and besides, even if they don’t require one to believe in a god, a pantheon or the myths, my thoughts were focused more on finding out the truth of the matter, christianity said all in the bible was true, thus clearly every other religion that had myths and legends and tales etc. must claim them as the truth, otherwise why have them around. I’ve later learned religious theory and such, and understand things better, but it doesn’t change that it’s why i stopped being christian at the time.
@@jakobwilliamzachariassen2640 unlike Christianity, pagans had no concept of universal truth. They may have deemed their own myths true but the surrounding cultures weren't too different from them. Ideas were exchanged often. Sometimes through trade and peace, other times through war. That is just how it goes. There weren't books or documents telling people how to live their lives or what to believe in, that was something society dictated.
God doesn't really mean anything. When we see the name it just implies an all powerful creator being but that doesn't really give it all that much meaning. Pagan deities had meaning to their names that today don't mean anything to us because we use different words to describe the concepts but to the languages and cultures of the time the names were the literal translations of the concepts. Thor, Thunor, Donar, etc, literally translates to Thunder. That's all it is. Thor isn't necessarily a "God" or a hammer weilding man but just simply Thunder and Lightning.
@@titusfortunus2916 When you formulate propaganda like this it does give you a weird feeling doesn't it. Instead of using simpler terms to keep it civil, arousing emotion out of the reader does a better job at turning our thoughts for or against something perhaps even to a fervently radical degree.
It would probably be more beneficial to say that Christians just don't like contraception and generally believe that the purpose for sex is for affirming love and reproduction.
Of course we all know that this view of sex isn't always practiced by Christians.
"What's the meaning of life?"
Me: There is no meaning
"So then you're a nihilist and nothing matters?"
Me: No, everything matters.
It's a completely false claim that there needs to be some kind of plan either external or intrinsic in order for the things that happen and the things we do to matter. Things matter to me because this is the one life experience I have and I intend to enjoy it and to help others enjoy theirs as well.
I had considered myself an "anti-nihilist" until this video, the fact that there is no meaning means we make our own meaning, and I choose to make evrything better for people, but she makes a good argument about frogs being the true meaning of life.
@@robbietoe frogs *are* great
The meaning of life is to find the things that are meaningful to you. Like frogs, and dogs, and video games.
Meaning is use. The unique thing about Life is how it subverts entropy. Life is proof that complex systems spontaneously organize in a universe where entropy normally collapses complexity. As that is the most unique thing about Life, it is likely also its greatest use, and therefore it's Meaning.
If there is no afterlife, then what we do with this life is all that matters.
I have noticed that a lot of people that were raised as Christians by their parents, had their faith broken by actually reading the Bible front to back, which is absolutely hilarious.
EDIT: I didn't think I should have stated this but please, this comment was a personal insight and a joke. I am open minded, but I don't want to discuss religion in the replies. It's tiresome.
100% me. I read the Bible and it absolutely destroyed any sense of faith I could ever have in a higher power.
You have to be emotional intact and not broken or under constant duress to read any of these books of Woo and come away understanding they are works of fiction. People in constant poverty are easily susceptible to messages that life or a life somewhere down the line will get better, you just have to have faith. People who have had injustice inflicted on them and who with never see justice because of the corrupt politics of our world are easily susceptible to messages that their is justice due somewhere in existence; in this world or the next.
@@DefiantYeast0426 I mean if the bible was written by mankind, and mankind is full of sin, why read the word of God through man made books? What's keeping God from talking to us all directly?
@@falconeshield this exactly.
@@falconeshield the fact there is no god is an easy answer.
I know this is an old video and all, but I randomly came across your channel and listening to your commentary made me feel a lot better. My atheism has had me feel pretty bad about myself lately and my parents and grandparents are pretty religious and with most of them I have to basically pretend I'm religious. This is basically the first time I've heard someone out loud say anything about atheism being alright and normal. I just kind of felt like I was betraying my family in a way, but I'm also very comfortable in my beliefs, it's a really weird feeling. So anyway thank you.
I think we need to normalize the idea of saying "I'm not going to go to your party because I don't want to, and would be more comfortable staying home". Enough of feeling guilty about being asked to take on an obligation and remember the date. Who says you need an excuse?
I say that myself, Sometimes I just don't have the mental or physical energies to really go to a party, specially if its with a bunch of people I do not know.
Heh, kinda how I feel about the Christian description of heaven. A bunch of sycophants who sold out their own morality, sitting around and sucking off a cosmic tyrant for the rest of eternity? I'll take my chances downstairs, thank you very much.
Sometimes a little white lie can just make everyone fee better.? IDK if I really don't feel like going out but i know there are going to be plenty of people going or something, is it better to make a big deal out of it or just say I have the pee-poops?
@@jenbcamping Why would people need to be lied to? I usually just say "thanks, but nah" when I don't want to go to a party, and nobody gets offended or anything... I'd feel bad if I had to lie to my friends...
I'm still waiting on someone to ask me to go to a freaking party.
I’ve been an atheist my whole life. I’ve always been one to think for myself and come to my own conclusions. I decided for myself at about age 7 that there couldn’t be a god, and my position on the matter has only grown stronger since then as I’ve aged and learned more. I often wonder why the religious are so bothered by atheists and I think I may have an idea as to why. I think most, if not almost all, on some level struggle to maintain their belief. So when they see someone who can so casually say, yeah nah, and go on about their day. It disturbs something deep in their very core that’s in a conflict between maintaining their beliefs and fear of consequences if they don’t maintain those beliefs.
Or maybe not. Who really knows.
Yea-nah ... you must be a fellow Kiwi.
I'm fairly certain that the use of yeah-nah and its opposite nah-yeah are not really used anywhere else in the English speaking world. lol
A large part of it...
Power and money.
I think there are mainly religious people that believe their religion with everything they have. Look at people like Ken Ham who said that he was so sure of his beliefs that nothing could ever convince him that the Bible was not true.
Most of the religious people I know are Christians that are my age or a generation older than me. None of the older generation I know seem open to having their beliefs changed. I will debunk and provide evidence against their religion, but they hold fast to their beliefs.
The Christians my age might see my points, but they fall back on their community. They do not allow themselves to be challenged. They shrink away from any videos I show them of atheist scholars.
I think that most religious people are disturbed by atheists because they want them to follow their religion. I am going to use Christianity as an example again, but Christians think that atheists will receive eternal damnation for not following God. Would you want someone you know to have to face that?
@@azzamat001 Yeah... nah! It's used here in Oz too! ;)
I think you nailed it. All atheism is, is really just responding to a claim about the universe that has never been proven - saying, "sorry, not buying it."
Atheism is just common sense - being consistent with the same questions about all gods. It's ridiculously simple.
And that's why atheism scares people, because of it's simplicity. It doesn't require anything other than non-belief, and isn't required to make any claims.
"Morality is secular" -- brilliant. I've never heard it put that way. I'm a new viewer. You're great. I don't always write strings of short sentences.
But when you do. They come out. Quite well. I think. ;)
Ethics is secular. Morality is more dubious.
Morality is an enormously complex topic, that I have much to learn about.
However, I do recognize there are differing ways to implement morality. And a religious form of morality dictated from above can be a valid form of morality.
Note that being valid, doesn't make it a good form of morality. Especially as their God is held up as the benchmark, and pinnacle, literally defining what is good. And having read the bible, I think we can do much better than that.
@@rangda_prime 😊
@@archivist17 If morality isn't secular, it should be religious right? Since the definition of secular is not religious. And, well, it seems that historically it's the religious "moral" commands that had to be reinterpreted to still be acceptable in light of the evolving moral understanding, not moral understanding being dictated by religions.
Not sure why UA-cam decided I should watch this, but I'm glad it did - great stuff 🙂
One thing you said reminded me of something Chris Hitchins said - and I am paraphrasing due to memory but it is something like "People are capable of terrible things, but to do something truly evil takes religion"
"Why am I so afraid?" Should be the question he asks himself repeatedly until he arrives at the root of his obvious trauma that he refuses to acknowledge.
Exactly, people like that were most likely abused as children, one way or another. Honestly that kind of indoctrinated upbringing can be viewed as abuse in and on itself, but it’s clear that guy is projecting. That paired with a hint of psychopathy, wich in fact can also stem from his environment is a big warning sign and good example of how people should not live life
agreed. it's clear that he's terrified.
"I'm not afraid of God, I'm afraid of people using God as an excuse to do atrocious things"
And yeah as someone who was raised in a strictly religious house, the fear of going to hell is one heck of a weapon in the indoctrination arsenal.
For me, I'm really grateful that the brand of Jesus I grew up with was marketed as loving and compassionate because it helps me rationalize the inconsistencies.
As you said (brilliantly) morality is secular. And while I may not buy into all the dogma.. I still try to live my life in a way that positively affects those around me. And *IF* the God of my youth exists then I would expect him to judge me on my merit. Not adherence to some stuffy pastors idea of him. I don't claim to be a saint (primarily because I don't believe they exist.. seriously even mother Teresa was a colonizer racist) but I am, at the end of the day, a good person.
Well said. One of the military history channels I subscribe to did a video fairly recently about one of the sieges of Jerusalem during The Crusades. Allegedly on behalf of Christ, a lot of alleged Christians slaughtered a lot of women and children that day...Shocked me.
In my opinion, there's nothing more vicious or dangerous than a fundamentalist who's convinced themselves they're acting on behalf of God. There's nothing they won't do. Why hold back when what you're doing is allegedly endorsed by God Himself? The horrible massacres against Muslims in New Zealand come to mind.
For what it's worth, I'm a Catholic myself and I go to mass. I'm a supporter of Emma and various similar channels because I am an ally of anyone who pushes back hard against *fundamentalists* who exploit faith in an attempt to justify bigotry and narcissism. And violence.
@@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."
a phrase reportedly spoken by the commander of the Albigensian Crusade, prior to the massacre at Béziers on 22 July 1209.
A direct translation of the Medieval Latin phrase is "Kill them. The Lord knows those that are his own".
Henry V reportedly had no problem burning Lollards at the stake before heading off to what became his victory at Agincourt which, he claimed for the greater glory of God...
nor did Thomas More, whom I previously admired for his willingness to "obey his conscience" over Henry VIII's divorce of Catherine of Aragon in order to marry Anne Boleyn...until I found out he had been burning Protestants as Chancellor...
Current estimates of "witches" killed by Catholic Church in Europe...35k-50k...
The predominant Christian view is that Hell is chock full of good people who weren't "saved". As a former Catholic, I think Catholics are the only Christian denomination that puts any credence into the merit argument. If what other Christians say is true, heaven is full of lowlifes, like predators who died in prison and other miscreants who had a "come to Jesus" deathbed experience.
Since the vast majority of prison inmates and other criminals queried on the subject profess a belief in god, hell appears to be a much more desirable neighborhood in which to spend eternity.
@@philcoombes2538 I used to wonder who coined a phrase that was often heard in the Nam, "Kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out". So thanks for the history lesson.
If end-of-the-world movies and TV shows have taught us anything, it is to do away with the religious nuts first. They're the ones who are going to blame the apocalypse on you.
Some of my top reasons for being an atheist:
-The problem of apparent gratuitous suffering.
-The existence of non-resistant non-believers (Divine Hiddeness)
-The existence and diversity of sincere and mutually exclusive religious traditions.
-The incomprehensible and/or contradictory nature of a tri-omni God.
-The incomprehensible and/or contradictory nature of specific theologies and traditions. (Ex: The Trinity)
Cheers!
What about infinite punishment for a finite offense? Not all Christians believe in Hell, of course, but most buy the idea that sinners will suffer forever in Hell. I mean, if I give God the finger, I'll become a sweaty BBQ for eternity... C'mon, God, gimme a break!
Well I thought it was a very fine definition very concise I can’t think of anything to add
Cheers to you
That of the trinity is such a weird concept.
Jesus is the son of God, but also God itself; because otherwise they would have to admit either that their religion is not monotheistic, or that Jesus is just like every other prophet.
The problem is that Jesus literally says "My God, why have you forsaken me?"; implying not only that he's not God, but also that he doesn't know shit about him.
This always annoyed me when I was a christian, can someone explain to me how does that work?
@@lucianofrancesco4742 I remember preachers trying to answer this question for me because I had the very same question and boy oh boy what mental gymnastics were done to keep me in line all private meetings with me keeping me away from the rest of the flock for fear that I might cause discord lol
When I started doubting the Bible as a kid I was non stop trying to convince myself that the Bible explains and kept apologizing for the Bible’s mistakes for years but I kept finding more and more stuff and when Christian’s would hear my takes on the Bible they would just call me a heretic for not taking the Bible literally. And my faith felt like it slipped in between my fingers so just it annoys me to such a degree to hear “you chose to be atheist” knowing for years I was actively trying to preserve my faith
It’s funny you mention apologizing for the bible, because people in the church whose job is to explain and interpret the bible are called apologetics. I always found that hilarious, because it’s kind of like, “We are sorry this is so stupid and we keep trying to make it sound reasonable to you.” Apologetics! 😉👍🏻😂
Just remember it’s ignorant people that can’t accept that there are those who logically came to non belief instead of “choosing” atheism that say this crap.
I was raised in a devoutly Catholic family. I went through Catholic schooling which was right next to our parish with daily mass attendance. I was so in love with my faith and God that I thought the best thing to do with my life would be becoming a priest. In that vein I began reading the Bible and studying it and general theology with vigor. Only the more I read the more I disconnected with my faith and family. I had questions no one could answer with anything better than, "It is one of the great mysteries of our faith." I chose not to confirm my faith as I no longer believed ardently enough, in my mind and heart, to say I was Catholic, or a Christian, or even a theist. Many years later I still talk about God, nearly every day, because I don't want people wasting this one precious life, and because I want people to engage critically with all things. This quote sticks out to me, "Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."
"If atheists were honest," and then he proceeds to lie for eleven minutes...
He didn't deny that Christians are lying all of the time, also when trying to act as an atheist. But he IS close to the truth ; theist accept lies despite of the evidence against it. They just say ... "we don't like the evidence, so we believe this imaginary god"
Logicked also did a detailed breakdown of this guy and got a great reply from him. I can’t wait to see Emma’s reaction! If we’re lucky, maybe he’ll make a video response to her as well.
Ooh I must watch that!
Sir Sic has done him as well. He wasn’t very happy about Logicked, so lord knows (pun intended) what he’ll think about Sir Sic and Emma!
Sir Sic also did a good one.
@@EmmaThorneVideos Make sure to catch Logicked's 2 videos on this guy in the right order.
@@ziploc2000 Logicked also has a VERY quotable line for him near the end of the second response video. ;)
I was a die hard Christian for a long time and even wanted to become a priest. I read the good book top to bottom, front to back, and then went over different translations to get as much perspective as possible. I was dying for the kind of religious experience or sign that so many others purported to have had and took the outlook of, “fake it ‘til you make it”. The closest thing I had to a testimony of Christianity was a semi-suicidal ideation of dying and meeting Jesus when I was depressed a long long long time ago.
Problem was that I could never quite reconcile my study of faith with reality in a way that made sense! Why did the Bible contradict itself soooo much, why do not even Christians agree which specific sub-sect is the one that isn’t all going to Hell, and how is it that a religion based on a religion that was based on a set of religions and completely disagrees with Christian notions of that abrahamic faith happens to be the one absolute truth since the beginning of time? The answers slipped through my fingers like sand, and the more I thirsted for them the more their dry and shifting form scorned me.
Eventually, I began to accept that the reason it didn’t make sense was because it was a fabrication. The reason so many of the epistles touted as biblical canon look like they are falsified is because they were falsified. The Bible has been written and warped so many times to fit the particular agenda of those wielding it that any grain of truth to them that may have existed is certainly not around now. It is neither the first religion to claim singular correctness, nor will it be the last. Should humanity survive long enough then it too will die upon the cross of convenience and make way for the next tool to control society and culture.
Religion has always been a means to an end, but one that has run its course. It is now no longer a benefit to the long term survival of humanity, and I feel strongly it has been more bane than boon for at least hundreds of years before Christianity was even a twinkle in the eye of its earliest progenitors. Now, it is a haven for denialism and benefactors of the status quo. I can no longer consider myself religious or a Christian simply because I find intentionally lying to myself and others unconscionable. Unfortunately, the realities of society and where I live mean I still have to maintain a veneer of Christian considerations to avoid the persecution of people willing to enact a culture war with truly deadly results; however, some day I hope to be in a set of circumstances where I don’t have to mask just to survive.
I was also hard Muslim but I’m glad now
@timothymartin2137 I don’t know if this is your intent, but the implication you are making is that God had a reason not to make himself known to me for my 22 years of avid belief and earnest study of scripture. If it’s a mistake then I understand, but you might be more careful in how you word things like this.
How did you handle all the genocide in the Old Testament? that really shook me as a child, I found Solace in the New Testament, Jesus sounded like a good chap just like how Gandalf is a good chap, but God not so much, He seemed at times more like Morgoth and Sauron than Aluvitar. The seeds of doubt were set though in childhood and my first reading of the old testament and I realized that there really isn't any evidence for the existence of the Divine, and even if there was, why should anyone just blindly follow it? Or follow anyone who claims to represent it?
I’ve been an atheist for all of my conscious life & I love talking about theology. Some things we talk about just because we’re curious, not necessarily because it has a direct effect on our lives
It's almost as if people don't on the regular talk or gossip about things they have a fascination with, but no real interest in doing as a lifestyle or job.
Theology is indeed fascinating.
I once read an entire 8000 page book about theology. As an atheist, every page just made Christianity sound loonier, yet the whole thought process of the mental olympics they go through just to continue believing their beliefs is beyond intriguing.
@@beatrizsesma1321 to me it’s interesting to see the historical path human belief has taken. Trying to trace traditions & rituals back to their biological roots; revealing more about the human condition
Hilariously enough the og atheists where Christians because they didn't believe in the Greco Roman gods. Whom never killed the non believers. Far more generous than the Crusaders.
are u trying to tell me star trek isnt a literal documentary?
In response to the "everyone believes in god" "argument" I usually go with "Everyone knows about Jibbers Crabs, the giant bombardier beetle that lives behind the moons of Saturn, by you saying you don't know him you are very clearly just being dishonest, he clawed his image into the minds of all animals with brains."
Prove that I am wrong.
Ah, a man of culture I see. I also love drinking tea from Russell's Tea Pot.
I actually have a similar character to Jibbers Crabs, but it's in response to the "The universe had to be created by God because matter doesn't come from nowhere" argument. I call him Jeremy Jello, the jello cube that doesn't abide by our physics, so he just popped in one day created the universe and then disappeared, it was obvious all along that Jeremy Jello created the universe, because the universe didn't come from nothing, so Jeremy is the obvious solution.
Well now I have no choice but to be convinced that Jibbers Crabs exists.
no idiot he didn't claw his image in, he artfully spray painted it onto our brains using his high-accuracy bombardussy
I get annoyed when they say, "where do your morals come from without god? I do good things to get into heaven, why do you do good things? There is no reason."
It's called empathy. I treat others, how I'd like to be treated, because i can place myself in their situation. I see people starving, or crippled with debt because they can't get a job, or they have large medical payments, and i say this is wrong. I can imagine how terrifying it would be to not know where my next meal was coming from, or worry about losing my house/flat because of debt. It has nothing to do with people telling me to act this way, i can empathise. If you only do this because people have told you, that's kind of frightening. If you ever lost your faith, you'd become a monster? Really?
Lastly, this is kind of abstract, but when people say, "life is pointless without an afterlife", life is AMAZING. It lives in undersea vents of 1000 degrees, it lives in acid pools, salt lakes. Some people think that the first life came from ROCKS. They found life in rocks in a south American mine, and think this was where life came from... rocks! That's amazing, life is pure and beautiful, i can endlessly fascinated about life, how life just wants to be, and will find anywhere to develop. This is wonderful, and for me, this gives live purpose, these ability for life to adapt and develop. Fascinating.
Okay, one last thing... infinity. The idea of an infinite afterlife makes everything pointless. Because at some point, you've had every thought, you've had every conversation and seen everything... and there's still an infinite amount of time left. I just can't warp my head around this. Around the concept of infinite time. Change is necessary, infinite stagnation is hell, change is important.
And that's the reason Nietzsche called them Nihilist, the only purpose a fundamelist and god-afraid christian would seek is beyond this mortal coil. Life itself has meaning, you don't need to die to look for it.
Needing a cosmic reward to do good things and that's the only reason you do good things is straight up terrifying. I am genuinely scared of people like that, because what happens if they stop believing in God. Would they just go around murdering?
to add to the rock life, the first proven concept of primordial soup was The Miller-Urey Experiment where they simply put used methane, water, ammonia, hydrogen and an electric arc (for simulated lightning strikes) and what they got out of the this was amino acids, Miller said he could identify 5 amino acids, later in 2007 scientists got their hands on closed vials from the original experiment and identified 20 amino acids. All of this just from inorganic elements and some lightning, how life came to be is crazy
@@elfi643A guy once brought up God and was like "I mean if God isnt real then theres nothing stopping me from murdering someone right? But I wont murder because its against what God wants". Yeah. I avoided him after that.
15:30 oh my God you hit every single box on the list of life that I want to complete
I only got through this because I wanted to hear Emma. This poor young man has had his brain cooked by a fever.
Right? Her voice and speech patterns are pleasant. I put on the long videos while playing No Man’s Sky.
Agreed, Emma is intelligent and pleasant with natural warmth, that guy was...embarassing, I feel he may take down his video at some point, at least, for his sake, I hope so.
Emma is great, this guy's brain was fried by religion not a fever. Almando is so dishonest and stupid...logiked has several videos of him and just wow😮
Oh man watch Logicked. He's f****** destroys this kid. Shows his book is nothing but plagiarism in fact I think he wrote two books and both of plagiarized to some degree or really bad errors really bad framing with the printing of the words on the page as opposed to the size of the page it was just this guy's just a disaster and he's just looking to get the information of atheists responding because it was a given that he was going to get responses and I think it probably worked in his favor but at the end of the day he also got really put in his place by her phone he truly is and how he has no conception of half of what he says.
@@skeptischism1324 thank you for the suggestion 😁
I haven't heard theists make a single argument against atheism that isn't either an incredible misinterpretation of atheism or just a flat out lie. Great video as always Emma!
That’s because the only way theists can make a winning argument is to misrepresent the argument they can’t beat lol
@@warlocket5326 Facts. I honestly find it very alarming how many adults in today's world are part of these brainwashing cults.
@Clyde Barrow what are you talking about?
Theists misrepresent atheism which is exactly what the foll in the video does in all his videos. In fact in this very video his argument is atheists have no argument and are afraid to admit there is a god. In his next video he claims atheists have to believe they are equal to cockaroaches and that atheists can not have feelings and value or values. He also misrepresents evolution. Then goes on to assert supposed mountains of evidence for god and jesus in historical documents while swearing atheists ignore it all. Oh and he also asserts that the scientific method is useless and false......even though he has scientific to thank for his phone he used to record the video and the internet he posted it on.
Oh and the historical accurate definition of atheism? This has been a new bs argument popping up recently a revisions of an old failed argument.... So uh sure what is the historically accurate definition of atheism and how it is atheists lie about it?
@@danielessex2162 Don't bother with CB. That fvckstick nitwit is devoid of honesty or intellect. Waste of everyone's time.
atheist do the same thing with christianity they take the bible out of context or read in they're interpretation into scripture or when they talk about it they strawmen it.
As an asexual, aromantic atheist I can confirme that I deconverted because of all the people I wanted to sleep with, because I totally did not misinterpret my asexuality as divine inspiration to wait for marriage. The fact that my teenage brain figured out that the existence of Harry Potter was more plausibel than the the existence of god had absolutly nothing to do with it. (And yes, I am being sarcastic.)
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Are you okay?
as another aroace atheist I feel you. Still a virgin and never dated anyone so if someone tells me I became an atheist because I wanted to sleep around I'll probably just laugh
@@Not-Impressed..1821 1 Corinthians 13 : 4 though 8
Love is patient, kind, is not boastful, is not self seeking, and does not dishonor others.
You're making baby Jesus cry.
@@uninspired3583 I remember back in my atheist days we used to have a small booklet with all the useful verses that could be used in a conversation.
A barren and not very bright tactic, but it gave us a feel of a temporary intellectual supremacy.
Do you have that too?
@@Not-Impressed..1821 interesting, your need for supremecy follows regardless of your belief or lack thereof.
What I believe doesn't matter, my point is that the way you're interacting with us is in stark contrast to what your Bible actually says about morality. For example, Jesus explicitly stated that the second greatest commandment was to love your neighbour, and also "whatever you do unto the least of these, you do unto me".
Asserting a superior position to someone with different ontological beliefs is what the Pharisee's did, and Jesus rejected them for it.
When I see videos from ‘Christians’ like that, I don’t see faith, I see insecurity.
I actually asked an atheist once why he talked about God so much if he didn't believe in him. He didn't have a good answer for that. Fast forward five years to when I was now atheist and I know why. Because I wasted 15 years of my life not building anything in this "worldly life" while "building wealth" in the hereafter. I was also indoctrinated to constantly think about death and specifically my death. So believing I have just this life and dealing with the regrets of wasting 15 years. My best years. And constantly thinking of my death is kind of depressing. And if I can help even one person not waste their life then that would be a beautiful thing. So I talk about God all the time.
I felt this in my soul. I didn't waste quite that much time on being a believer, but I've lost a LOT of time (nearly 30 years now) to my struggle with mental illness. That feeling is the absolute worst, and now it's like all I want to do is help other people like me so they don't go through the same thing.
Keep talking about it. If you can help even one person, it's worth it. :)
As Charlotte said, "For one brief moment I am a part of all that is living."
That may be why you talk about God. That may also be why the atheist you asked talks about God. It is not the reason I talk about God. I am not out to convert you to atheism so you "stop wasting your life as a Christian." If you're happy as a Christian (or anything else) that's great for you and I'm absolutely NOT interested in helping you overcome a set of beliefs that is working for you.
The reason I talk about God is because people won't stop trying to impose their beliefs on me. I'm not *about* to try to impose my beliefs on anyone else, but in return, I need to be left alone. And I'm not.
I have been evangelized at by my boss (he gave me a Bible, a handmade cross, three books, two cards, four invitations to Billy Graham lectures, and probably ten or fifteen uncomfortable talking-tos). I have had to deal with legislation and court decisions that quite obviously are the result of failure to separate Church and State. When I was in grade school, I was made to pray, in Christian prayer, in a public school. I live in the American South, and THEY WILL NOT LEAVE ME ALONE to be an atheist. So my talking about God is a defense. A defense that I should not need, but apparently do.
Not speaking on behalf of your friend NRGRLSD , but for me in my early teenage years id bring up god alot just to annoy the the others around me who looked down on me for being atheist after they felt the need or right to ask me .
Kinda hurts alot to be called a satanist, heathen , lost soul , loveless, evil just for following my own way .
The satanist one was probably the most idiotic of them all due to me stateing im athiest i dont believe in that stuff in their mind means i believe in it but just the bad part never made any sense to me at all .
Later as i got older i learned to just let it be if they want to veiw people that way then it shows their true blindness to others and i dont need to spend time on those whod never juat see a person as themself ,but see just some label their parents or society told them to look for instead.
Could be same deal for your friend , or could be he was starting to have agnostic feelings and trying to explore it some , i dunno with out more context of his talks on it .
Dont beat yourself too much for wasted time before , least you see clearly now and cab live some how you want , cults are easy to join and follow , but dang hard to leave for many reasons .
Maybe some religons are true in heart and goals , but most just are for money ,power or perverted gains .
Just be happy you wernt in the LDS or scientoligy im guessing you wernt part of, now those are some scarey ones to be in and leave and talk about wasted time and money for just devotion and faith which i think can be free anyway to those that want that
Edit: wanted to add a qoute by einstien that helped me through my early years of being berated by religon nuts harrassing me " the diffrence between stupidity and genius is stupidity knows no limits"
Might not help ya the same , but helped me alot
I grew up baptist. And when I came out as an Atheist to my mom. She didn’t get mad, sad, or disappointed. She questioned me. She asked me “where did your belief in God stop?” “Why do you feel like God doesn’t exist?” Etc etc. And I answered all her questions to the best abilities at the time, and she said to me “Son, I understand why you don’t believe in my God, and I’m not going to try to change that. You’re my child I put you on this earth and I will always love you no matter your beliefs.” I wish other people had my experience with it, and looking back at those 20 years of being Baptist, I regret a lot of things. Things I said to Agnostics, Pagans, Atheists, and more. But I couldn’t give an good answer to why i as Baptist was so enthralled with my afterlife
This guy is a prime example of why some people should not attempt comedy.
Idk, I thought his attempts at grammar were pretty funny.
It's still comedy
The difference is that we're all laughing at him, not with him
I was indoctrinated into Christianity my whole childhood, and it has taken a monumental effort to break away from it. The one silver lining that gives me hope is that the number of atheists are growing and the number of believers is getting smaller.
You sure about that? I mean atheist might be growing in the west but you might notice that the number of atheists Children doesn’t increase since no children of them a born.
Second I like your phrasing of „indoctrination“ no more wonderful word to describe teachings unliked. But I am sure both their existence in reality is known to you and its difference to truth is known.
In my opinion, religion is one of the most powerful forces in existence. And just like any powerful thing, it can be used for great good or great evil. It has been used to convince large swathes of people to commit genocide, and it has also been used to convince large swathes of people to risk their own health and safety to help others and raise up those worst off in society. Atheism doesn't keep people from being immoral or dishonest, just as religious people are not guaranteed to be immoral or dishonest. As such, I don't think increasing numbers of atheists are either a good thing or a bad thing. It's just a thing. But I do hope more people start believing in loving and helping their neighbours, whether that belief is sourced in religion or not. Because that's what's important.
@@lynox172I disagree, indoctrination is just the uncritical teaching to somebody. Children are very susceptible to this. You could teach your children almost any political viewpoint as factual and they’d honestly believe you. That’s indoctrination. Many religions do this whether you like it or not
@@obiwankenobi2520 I wasn’t saying religions don’t indoctrinate, but I have noticed in the west we have become very liberal with the use of the word „ indoctrination“ in the west. Most of the western churches aren’t even supposed to teach you about Religion. Most things nowadays you could describe as indoctrination, but most again don’t follow a bad intention, it is rather cults which do the „typical“ indoctrination. The main part I was referring to was that birthrates under religious people are much higher and especially in underdeveloped regions meaning most likely the percentage of religious people won’t change as atheists get much less children.
@@obiwankenobi2520 I do agree however that children are very vulnerable to this, but it doesn’t mean everything is indoctrination, as children also learn much faster.
This is the first time i haven't skipped a sponsorship, i just really love your voice and personality, i could listen to you talk all day, about anything
This person displays rage, disgust and contempt throughout. Reactionary and delusional is a dangerous combination. At least he's on another continent :)
Thanks for the content!
My thoughts exactly. This could lead down a very dark and destructuve path for him.
They are myths Jesus at best was one of a dime a dozen apocalyptic prophets at the time who was executed by the Romans and thrown in a mass grave where stories about his resurrection being created after the fact.
"People who believe absurdities can be convinced to commit atrocities." It goes something like that anyway.
Voltaire, baby ( I think?)
@@dominicdelprincipe2583 close enough! I'm not looking it up so we'll assume you're right
"...you could believe in faeries at the end of the garden for all I care."
Yay! Emma affirms my right to garden fairy beliefs. My garden faeries are life affirming and beautiful.
Emma also affirms that she is a Douglas Adams fan. (I mean, who isn't?)
Remember to leave honey out for the faeries
also don't lick the top of the yogurt tin, they like to eat that
@@lilydailey5258 I've tried this and can confirm it works - though the faeries seem to have used their illusion magic to appear indistinguishable from fruit flies.
Plus you're tied with Sir Arthur Conan Doyle!
As a non-believer of the lies purported by Disney, I am indeed scared of the fey folk. Be wary of the fey folk.
It genuinely makes me feel afraid whenever somebody claims that you can’t have morals without believing in God. All I hear when somebody says that is that they have some kind of urge they’d act on if their faith didn’t “keep them in check”, and considering the horrific things some Christians do in the name of their religion… yikes.
I said to a neighbor, Hi how are you doing? and he said, "I am resisting sin." I am now very afraid of him. What exact sin was he resisting so hard? It could be eating a second piece of pie out of gluttony, but it could also be committing a rape and murder followed by cannibalism. So I said, Good luck and scurried off. (BTW, this is what it's like living in the American Bible belt. random people assuming you are also a Christian and talking about their very personal religious experiences without any provocation. Talk about over sharing!)
Yeah, I became Agnostic myself after attending Catholic School. I was one of the few people in the school that actually did read the bible. That includes much of the staff. The Deacon and I had some great chats, though my brother felt sorry for him after I asked so many questions in class that ended up showing hypocrisy in a supposedly 'infallible' creator. When the time came for my confirmation in high school, I had too many doubts. I asked the teacher of the confirmation class whether or not I should go through with it if I didn't believe in 'God'. He said I should anyways. I pointed out that I'd be lying to 'God' about my belief in him and the teacher said it was okay. That's when any last remnant of faith I had died. In the last ten years, I've come to the conclusion that 'God' does not exist, or if 'God' does exist they are not worthy of our respect or worship.
I will bet my immortal soul, if I have one, that *if* God does exist, it is most definitely NOT the God of the Catholic Church or Evangelical Protestant Church.
I think it was Karl Marx that said "religion is the opiate of the masses". The Catholic Church existed to control the population of Europe in the middle ages and it's still around because of European colonialism.
Holy shit, what a hypocrite that teacher was! :-o
Benjamin Franklin was Deist, which is belief in god but not any written religion.
And that's why the deacon at your school is now an atheist lol
@@meesatim He was a screw loose
You know what scared me about this?
He's doing this awful routine alone in his own lounge room.
Can you imagine walking in to find him doing this? I'd call his therapist.
He's religious, he probably thinks church is better than therapy
@@airwizwoz and it’s not. priests usually don’t have a background in mental health
@@PokemonRules333 yea, I mean like, he doesn't talk about to the priest he just prays that things will get better
@@PokemonRules333 excuse me?? You mean all those sexually repressed pedophiles DO NOT HAVE A BACKGROUND IN MENTAL HEALTH?? Are you serious here?
To be fair...
I have fake conversations with imaginary audiences too. It can be therapeutic (like screaming into the landscape)... I've had arguments (and lost. . .) with nobody doing this. I don't record it, gods no, but it helps me work out frustrations rather then let them fester inside.
The thing that I have always been terrified of is that they imply they would not have moral accountability if not a part of the church. Idk about theists.. but my moral accountability comes naturally.
God gave humans a moral compass. That moral compass only came with the basic right and wrongs. A person needs to train that compass. God gave his word so that imperfect sinful lost humans can find life and their way back to him.
@@jdos5643Ah yes, that's why all of those Catholic priests are kiddy fiddlers protected by the church itself. Morals.
@@Stolasthegaybird so if society and parents teach you bad things that’s ok is what you’re telling me. That’s exactly what society does in general. That is why the world is the way it is. You said we are taught by our parents yet many parents who don’t adhere to Gods moral standards teach their kids it’s ok to swear to lie. Some allow kids to do drugs. Some parents allow their kids to play violent video games. Others bad movies or listen to obcene music that promotes drugs and sex and what not. Some parents divorce leaving kids without a father or mother. Some parents are druggies themselves and their kids learn that. Some parents have kids out of wedlock and kids grow up without a father figure. Some parents cuz in front of their kids and talk to them that way and I have seen this done many times. Which part of parents and society are you referring to that we can learn good? The only ones I can think of are Christians. Point is, your objective stance on morality doesn’t work.
@@jdos5643 and guess what christians are guilty of many of the things you mentioned, and in the bible there is a pro establishment, almost pro status quo stance on slavery. And how do you know they're gods moral standards?
@@jdos5643 haven't you been listening? god isn't real lmao
My wife and myself were once on a holiday in Scotland staying in a static caravan. On our last night we were invited to the owners house. It became apparent that they were very Christian and ended our visit with a prayer. I said sorry we aren't Christians. They said,'That is so honest of you'
I thought at the time, why wouldn't it be?
My guess is a lot of people just go along because they’re afraid of offending or the people getting rude
This guy’s version of an atheist was last seen walking on a yellow brick road with a woman from Kansas.
Straw man arguments, very clever. :)
And he's lyin' 🙄
@@huepix He's cowardly and lyin', even.
@@simongiles9749 And he has no heart.
Straw men try and distance themselves from this abomination of a strawman, as it makes them look bad.
They have an image to protect after all.
And the one in Oz, also had a brain.
It's so genuinely wonderful to find someone who, despite reacting to some truly mind numbing content, still makes my day so much more wholesome and pleasant.
And I love that she is encouraging us to reach out to or even try to humanize the person who is being so disingenuous I think she’s awesome she does a great job I loved your post
"If there was sufficient evidence to prove God, I would believe".
Exactly! I remember when I was at school, I could ask any question I liked, and get good, solid answers and explanations from the teachers - in every subject but religion. I remember asking questions along the lines of, "How do we know that God exists?" or "Why do some people believe in different Gods?" - quite genuinely, in exactly the way I might have asked "Why are there deserts?", or "Where does oil come from?" But religion stood out as the one class where there were no good, solid answers, just insistence of truth.
In one of my religious classes I asked the teacher why priests do the things they do to young boys? (censored for YT). I spent the rest of the class time in the corridor.
@@Anonymous-md2qp Hehe! I was never that confrontational. :o) Plus, back in the 70s, we didn't know about child rapist priests. But in the end, you had the same sort of non-answer to your question that I did.
i have to thank my 3rd grade RE teacher though: he asked what we like most about jesus, and i tried to answer that he was humble. but i didn't remember the word and had to rephrase it: i said he never bragged about being the messiah. the teacher answered with a bible verse (john?) where jesus quotes jahwe's "i am".
that's how i realized what i heard about jesus wasn't necessarily true. when i also learned not everyone believes in jesus and the most important factor is where they were born, it would have been a bigger step for me *not* to apply his reasons why the other religions are wrong to christianity, too.
@Clyde Barrow How many gods do you believe? What about the around 8 million "kami" of Shinto? Do you believe in each of them? And if not, why are you an atheist?
@Clyde Barrow What do you mean with theists? Christians? Specific branch of christians? Your version of your branch of christianity? What do you mean with atheists? Non-religious? Non-christians? If you want people to ask questions from you, you need to first tell a bit more about what you believe. And maybe answer the questions the person you replied to already presented.
Ah man. I wish someone else was going to be responsible for me. It would take a lot of pressure off. But no one is coming to take care of me.
I am an atheist and I quite like the story of Jesus, sad as it is. I think if a lot more Christians were actually as accepting as Jesus there might be a lot less hate. He said to protect the less fortunate. He said to be more loving to each other. He didn't much care for commercialism. He even sacrificed himself to save all of humanity although i feel like that one had some rewrites after the fact to say that he knew about his impending betrayal by his own disciple. But it makes for a good story because he even forgave that guy for betraying him. I don't know of any high profile christian that would do even one of those things.
Yes! I really like Christ as a moral figure. I just put him along others, like Buddha.
Seeing how unchrist-like many supposed Christians act was one of the first dominos for me; after all, if Christ really was an omnipotent God, surely his believers would only include people who actually follow his teachings?
my guy, you can make a character as perfect as you want, because they dont exist
you forgot the part about Jesus "saving" 8 billion people from an eternity of torture because a mythical woman ate a magical fruit. Apparently 8 billion people are on the hook for 1 mythical woman's "crime" - and that "crime" was so heinous that it deserves an eternity of torture, not just for her but for everyone who lives and who ever will live. What a horrible doctrine, that everyone's a piece of shit so we should be thankful that Jesus is "saving" our sorry asses from the torture chamber he created...
i read your comment and i'm wondering which jesus you are talking about. depending on the gospel, jesus need more or less anger management advice
There is something to learn from almost any story or anecdote. Christmas is a nice story because it is about HOPE and doesn't include a lot of the 'your going to Hell!' word wank of the propagandist 'New' Testament nor the horrors of the Tanahk/'Old' Testament.
I am a Humanist for similar reasons, and not some vague, mere atheist, where there can be any range of unethical behavior covered by the banal title Atheist.
This feels like projection to me. They're the ones who are afraid to be wrong because if they are wrong it throws their certainty of an afterlife out the window.
I love that she added her own experience because her waiting for that "moment" to happen was literally me as a little girl growing up as an indoctrinated Southern Baptist. I kept believing, hoping and waiting for what they said would come, for this huge personal event that occurs to every Christian who loves and worships him. To have God speak to me and open my heart fully and to be Saved.
But it never happened. So what did I have to do? Likely the same as most religious people have done at some point when faced with these harsh realities.... I made it up. I lied and said I'd been saved so I could be a part of what everyone else was elated about every Sunday.
Or maybe it was just my autistic brain not wanting to stop asking questions. If so, thank you Autism. Either way, he's right that we lied, just like they do, to ourselves.
"thank you Autism," is such a beautiful sentiment. Thank you. 💟
Thank you Autism for being a massive part of what makes my boyfriend be the unique person he is. Thank you Autism for helping his beautiful brain work in the ways that it does that I love profoundly. Thank you Autism for helping him have the "weird interests" (his words) that lead our paths to cross & be in each other's lives, as well as leading him to connect with his other partner, who makes him so happy (which brings me much sympathetic joy.)
Thank you ADHD for making my brain work the way that it does that I can break complex things down in such a way that I can communicate them to him (like a field that I have a decade of experience with that he wants to get into). Thank you ADHD for making the rules and regulations and practices and systems of that field be a special interest/ hyperfocus for me. Thank you ADHD for giving me hyperfoci that I can talk about for hours & hours with my boyfriend, who I love.
(This paragraph was really hard to write because I fucking hate having ADHD and I fucking hate how my brain doesn't work the way other people's brains do so much of the time and I can almost always basically only see the ways that ADHD has fucked up my life... I guess maybe possibly I wouldn't change out having an ADHD brain in a heartbeat, without a doubt now tho... So thanks for your comment...)
@@EmeraldLavigne Thank you for sharing all of that. I know it can be hard to be vulnerable and 'show our belly' to others but I think we can learn more about ourselves and be able to grow the more we can do that. Also, I think that it's easy for us to hate and berate ourselves in this neurotypical world. We're made to see ourselves as inferior and broken in some way in society. But most of the time that we feel that way, it's because we are using the rules of this neurotypical world as our basis for "normal" and we can never be that.
I think that learning to accept and love ourselves *as we are* is one of the first and most important hurdles to figure out how to leap. And while I'm on this inner lifelong journey of finding wisdom and understanding, knowing how I'm prone to seeing the extremes of positivity OR negativity, I try to consciously keep the other perspective in mind.
Just like you did in your message. It was difficult for you to find and admit those positives but I'm hopeful that thinking of them in that way can lift a little burden from you. If you try to remember to do that everyday, like when you're in depression you make sure everyday to think of something about yourself or your life that is positive, you will begin to actually feel and believe those things. It takes practice but eventually it won't be hard and you will feel less weight on you.
The reason that works is because our brains work much like computers. A computer's programming language (underneath the code) is electricity. On (5V) is a 1 and off (0V) is a 0. The programming language of the human mind is words. They can tear us down over time but likewise we can use them to build ourselves back up.
For example, if you have any self esteem issues like I did going into college, everyday say something good about yourself and after only just a month you will feel a bit more positive about yourself. NOTE: You do not have to believe it. Just say it. (Examples: I'm beautiful. or I'm kind-hearted. or I'm smart. or I'm a good mother/friend. etc) The more times you can do this each day, particularly when doing it to replace a negative thought you were just having about yourself, the better. Saying it out loud, if you're alone and able, is the most effective but it will also work if you only do it in your mind.
Sorry. I ramble sometimes. Other times I don't want to talk at all. Oh the contradictory life of a neurotypical person. Anyway, I hope some of what I said was helpful. 🤗🧡🌸
"Keep fighting the good fight, ya?" -Doyle
Bro same. Raised Baptist in the south. Looked everywhere for my moment. Never had one. Am autistic. Throw in a sprinkling of the crippling fear I'd be sent to Hell, and I was ready to fake it so hard. Though I will say that in my quest to find the thing that would make me a true believer, I found the Cristo Redentor (Christ the Redeemer) statue, which has lead to a fascination with Rio, and Brazil at large, that I think has influenced my understanding of the world.
@James Henry Smith Pretty sure I detect sarcasm. 😁
I went to a catholic school, learned about religion and christianity. My family who isn’t religious didn’t say anything to discourage me and actually encouraged my exploration of faith. In the end, I decided it wasn’t something i believed. Given evidence, from a logical mind. God cannot exist. Maybe he does and is a power well outside our comprehension as one would need to be so technologically advanced that they can shape the rules of the universe itself.
Also im also learning im autistic too. Gotta love drs Not noticing these things at the time and losing out on years of support and missing out of prospects because of that
I'm a Christian, and this is cringy. It feels weird that that guy claims to have the same religion as me.
That's the result of grouping people together, exactly what this guy was doing by calling all atheists dishonest.
And I say this as an atheist: The only thing two atheists are guaranteed to share is the fact that they don't believe in any god. We have roughly the same amount amount of things in common with the average Christian as with eachother lol.
I feel that way about the Soviets. They said they didn’t believe in God or a god, but wasn’t the government basically their god?
this man is killing brain cells...I can't take it anymore
Ya it was rough
If you’re an atheist chances are you already kill your own braincells no offense….
Wow! He is getting tackled from all directions. Logicked, Sir Sic and now Emma! I almost feel bad for the guy. Almost
The dismantling of his video is part of his god’s plan 😂
He will just think it's his pretty little ghetto OG butt getting persecuted and attacked by the evil atheist satanic forces
@@thelyrebird1310 I mean. He's right. Did you not check your sorosmail?
Anyone pretending to know your thougts better than YOU should never have your sympaty. Ever.
He's rather badly outgunned. Excellent!
That guy is really doing apologetics at kindergarten level. I'd engage with him, but there's no use since he's obviously not worth the effort. Thank you for your service, Emma.
He comes across as a bit simple, if anything he is a liability to the position he is attempting to support.
Think kindergarten is the pinnacle of his education.
Your point around belief and choice was great. Basically we don't choose our beliefs - we are CONVINCED of our beliefs and we CHOOSE what to do based on many factors. You cannot choose what to believe - unless perhaps I'd some very broad context in which you are fully on the fence about a matter, you would understandably then choose how to act arbitrarily, but that's still not really choosing a belief.
A real advantage many atheists have, is that we've been believers before and that entitles us to give our honest two cents for both sides. The same cannot be asserted about most believers. Thanks a lot for your wonderful videos, Emma!
I wonder how many children are indoctrinated into the Santa story around the world. They all grow out of that one.
I was never a believer, even when I tried playing along with some religion or another. That said, I feel bad for the ex believers. For one, it seems easier to just go with the flow once your indoctrinated, and another the indoctrination itself seems very cruel, and usually involves people you should be loving. I'm fortunate to have not been indoctrinated. I wish no one who ever did, does, or will exist had to endure such a thing.
I mean, to be fair, that's not *entirely* true. I'm a practicing Catholic but a subscriber and supporter of Emma, and several other debunker channels. I've put up several comments here criticizing this kid, "ChristRighteous", pretty intensely. Because, as Emma states at the end of the video, he's not really representing the best of us.
Specifically I'm just responding to your claim that believers cannot be honest about both sides. Having faith doesn't preclude anyone from necessarily being honest about any of the things discussed in this video.
Although I would agree that *fundamentalists* have, by definition, major issues with honesty. By definition. Our boi "ChristRighteous" here would be Exhibit A.
@@mcnultyssobercompanion6372 My bad. I just corrected my lapsus calami.
@@mako9579 lol...ah, but your Latin is excellent. :)
I've typed my fair share of shit I didn't *exactly* mean. Trust me. No worries.
Be well.
I never had an amazing "oh my god that's so true" moment reading the Bible. It was mostly "this seems weird, but everyone else says it's right, so let's just go with it"
I tried to read the bible once but i skipped to the end and it ruined it for me
@SAUL deGAUL you forgot morgan freeman played god , freeman was in oblivion with tom cruise , tom cruise was in a few good men with keven bacon which completes your 6 degrees to keven bacon .
You were so close you almost had it
@SAUL deGAUL means no matter what connection your trying to make one can always be made to anything if you want it to.
Either that or keven bacon is your true messaih since jews dont eat pork and bacon is pork so he must be the chosin one as he is untouchable in hebrew eyes.
See not that hard
@@lordmaddrox I think the fact that Saul has already resorted to insulting your intelligence, ironically in less than perfect language, means that you've won this debate. Lol
@@nathancombs527 i know but thanks , its fun to dig in deeper when they resort to being petty tho lol
This experience has taught me I probably should start a church of bacon now, no matter what i do or think now all answers lead me to bacon
Thank you for bringing up the fear/weight that people who leave the Christian faith as adults feel, it’s over looked sometimes
I actually did have that big “god is real” moment, and then still became an atheist years later. And then I realized that that moment was caused by strategic emotional manipulation at a church camp.
I think Emma's analysis was excellent, and you know, if it only were for this phrase: "I'm not afraid of God, I'm afraid of human beings", it would be just enough. So brilliant. Also, I don't believe in God, but I believe she's candid. Just compare Emma to that guy, in any 15 seconds of their speech.
Comparison is important. Any time I speak with people like Emma or the guy in the video, I always have a tendency to look in their eyes. For people who are logical or skeptical, there is often a curiosity and depth to their eyes. You can see when a person has that spark of intelligence and/or wonder. For people who are strong believers or highly emotional without logic, they often seem to have an emptiness, a scared or dead look in their eyes. Sometimes they have small beady eyes that show a lack of intelligence, or large crazy eyes that seem like they are looking through you instead of at you. It isn't always 100%, but I can often measure and trust people based solely on the eyes.
"If Atheists were Honest"
I love that, coming from a guy whose self-published book is 90% outright plagiarism.
Freedom of speech is a beautiful, if messy, thing. When you give everyone a platform to speak their mind and their beliefs, you allow the fools the opportunity to show themselves.
And everyone else a chance to call them fools
"I have came a conclusion - my grammar is terrible."
I am not an atheist but as a Christian, i find it hard to go to church. I have kids and grandkids. I teach them how to be a good human being.
What convinced you to become a Christian in the first place then?
Church is weird right? Like you almost have to put on a performance for not only god but the people around you and personally I’ve always gotten the feeling people hide their true feelings about you in that sort of situation.
What pretty much every Christian who's said something like "what's the point of life without God" fails to realise is that they _already_ have meaning in their life apart from God (and whether or not life would have meaning without God has nothing whatsoever to do with whether God actually exists).
If they are pursuing a career they enjoy, if they have any hobbies, if they have any friends, if they're romantically involved with anyone, if they do anything outside of spending every moment trying to worship God, spread his word and do his will, then logically those things provide some degree of purpose and meaning to them.
We would be bothered by people believing in Santa, Bigfoot, etc. if:
- A large portion of the adult population believed that, as is the case with religion
- Those beliefs resulted in people spreading bigoted and harmful ideas, as they do with religion (e.g. saying that homos_xuality is wrong or denying overwhelming scientific evidence)
- And/or they caused more direct harm due to their beliefs, as many religious do (e.g. by acting on their harmful ideas or by traumatising children by convincing them that their close friends will suffer for all eternity, and they might suffer too if they're not careful).
Every atheist who's engaged with apologists would vehemently disagree that any evidence apologists have presented is "objectively good enough". Atheists point out many, many flaws with arguments for Christianity. So either this guy hasn't heard any of that, or he's simply denying the validity of the rebuttals.
I love how these Christians believe that they should be kind and humble (or at least most Christians would consider those core values of Christianity) and then they spend an entire video just insulting a group of people, trying to show how much better than them they are and asserting what others believe without taking the time to try to understand what they actually believe. Either you get to be a good Christian OR you get to be an a-hole, but you can't have it both ways.
Concerning the part about meaning. I think most decent apologists try to claim that by meaning, they are speaking only of ultimate meaning. Because if it's not existing for eternity, it's only a temporary, and pale version of meaning or purpose. And usually it's not at all clear, because they don't seem to like to even address the sort of meaning that you and I actually speak of in real life. Rather than some imaginary afterlife.
I guess everyone who was born before the Christian god was invented had no purpose or meaning.
This is a great response! I honestly think the fact that apologetics exist at all is evidence that the Christian god isn't real. Something that is real and exists in nature doesn't need to have endless human-constructed arguments to justify its existence. It would just be accepted as true, in much the same way its accepted that the sky is blue and the grass is green.
Well, when they say that they mean in an overarching big picture way. And the thought of the answer to that question being 'nothing' is too difficult to deal with.
But even for the religious, I don't quite know what the point of life could be anyway. If it's just a waiting room for heaven...that's the most pointless thing I can imagine.
My personal Meaning or Point to life is... To be, I suppose. There doesn't need to be a great plan for me. Simply being and experiencing life is enough.
Definatly agree with you. If this guy has the absolute undeniable evidence that a God exists... Why doesn't he show it?
My disbelief in God isn't because I don't want to believe. My disbelief is because I have never been presented undeniable empirical evidence. An ancient book filled with inconsistencies and contradictions, supplemented with endless streams of philosophical arguments proves nothing.
One argument I see a lot of theists use is "Jesus exists because his life was so well documented. So much is written about him!" ... Using that same logic, I can prove that Spongebob Squarepants actually exists, because his life has been even more documented than Jesus...
His evidence is, and I shit you not. Look at creation… he actually considers that evidence…
@@hughjanus2781 Ah, yes, the old watchmaker argument eh?
If the original scrolls and Bible is documented evidence, then the revisions of that are just Jesus fan-fiction. Let that sink in for a bit.
@@Bancheis Oh thankyou... Now I can't un-see that comment...
@@Bancheis Literally the reason I was FINALLY able to let go of Christianity! The entire new testament is fanfic!