I destroyed my PRS Silver Sky by accident, but it was worth it
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As a tele player I always love when people wig out having to take tools to their guitar. I think I’ve actually stapled the set list to it once
You can pin your setlist to your amp or guitar by stabbing your guitar cable thru it at the jack. Haha.
Hahaha! That’s awesome
I've started creating "quick swap" loaded pickguards for my Strat using extra pickups, pots, and caps, I've used in the past. The pickguard only requires one Quick Connect at the Output Jack. I've timed myself, and it takes 8 minutes to just loosen the strings, remove the pickguard, swap in the new pickguard, and tune up the strings. By my count, I'll end up with 4 or 5 unique swappable pickguards with distinct pickup configurations and sounds for my One Strat. 😎
The fact that the Texas Specials sounded that good when pitted against super high end, fart sniffing boutique pickups is impressive.
Really? I thought they sounded totally flat compared to the Ron Ellis pickups.
@@somethingbl I think it seems that way because he had a little more reverb on the Ron Ellis pickups, no?
I actually very much preferred the tones from the Texas specials lol
@@somethingbl What do you mean by "flat"? The TS set sounds like there's stronger highs, but that could be the effect of more string pull on the harmonics at each position if the poles are AV. The RE's have lower Gauss higher permeable poles. That alone could explain the tonal difference. I don't think the coil wire gauge or bobbin heights are different, so it's nothing you couldn't find in a sub $100 set. Way more is made of wind patterns than is there. Basically, more diagonal winds create a fatter/less-efficient coil with weaker note fundamentals, and uneven single-thickness PE insulation tends to cause semi-shorts around bobbin edges that reduce highs. The pickup game is just another racket exploiting idealistic guitar players prone to magical thinking.
@@StefanS23me too!! as good as the RE pick ups were overall, I thought the Tex Specials and the PRSs gave up a better tone for the 'classic' strat sounds
I don't think I have felt so many conflicting emotions in a single title before. Let us not forget the sacrifices that the Silver Sky made for the journey of tone and quality.
Still don't do a strat better than a strat though
@@phileeepaye1641 Which Strat? There are so many variants. One difference with the PRS is the body is apparently Poplar. Personally, I like the EJ 'Virgina' model best with the Sassafras body and the traditionally lacquered Maple FB. that's the ultimate Strat sound to me.
yup, yup, yup
Wow! Good job Ronnie! The silver sky was cool but the strat was my favorite transformation. Although they have a fantastic tone out of the box. The Ron Ellis pups gave just a little nudge of fullness that is so sweet to my ear.
Lovin the Ron Ellis pickups. They just seem to have this melodic flow note to note, very hypnotizing and incredible sounding.
Man! That bang on the noggin has taken your playing to another level! Fantastic and informative video - thanks!
If I wanted to see anything it would be an SG trialled with stock and then the Ron Ellis Signature Humbuckers. Cheers!
I really dig that G minor slow dancing inspired thing you played at the beginning. Makes me think of an alternate universe where John wrote it in a minor key instead of a major key
I mean that’s all along the watchtower my man
I personally think the texas specials sounded better. The Ron Ellis pickups were too bright, bit too high output for my liking. The Texas Specials were rich and chalky sounding with the right amount of thud and chimey-ness.
Agreed
Is that a happy clappy on your pfp?!
This is one of the few comparison test where you can see a HUGE difference. Those pickups are amazing. Thanks
It’s because of the way he set it up. Pickups have almost no change on your tone. He’s noticeably playing with different feel and through different quite different amp sounds. Not a very faithful comparison.
@@jordy2x_ My man, pickups have the biggest change on your tone before pedals and EQ's come into play. Of all guitar parts that will shift your tone, it's pickups. Take ceramics vs alnico pickups. Ceramics commonly have a very high midrange and low low-end. Making it really nice for jazz, rock, or metal. Alnico pickups have a richer, more of a defined sound.
Not only that but even the how hot the pickups are can affect it's reaction to eq and volume output, the pickup height could also affect the output dramatically.
@@kholathekid yes but all mid range to expensive Alnico against each other sound nearly IDENTICAL. Same goes for ceramics. I’m aware different types of pickups change things but worrying about spending hundreds of dollars on stuff like that is a waste of time.
@@jordy2x_ Even that I would have to disagree with. Compare normal player series strat pickups to texas specials. Both Fender pickups, they're both alnico V magnets, the player series sound more calm. Very neutral sounding pickups, while the texas specials have an old strat chime with more bass.
But I do agree with not needing to spend hundreds of dollars on pickups when you could just EQ your way there. But for some people, which includes me, would rather make their guitar have more pizazz instead of using EQ to take you the extra mile.
It's really just preference but yeah spending a lot of money on parts is not the greatest idea, including if you don't need to. It's mostly just a luxury of playing guitar.
Yes, you can 'see' a HUGE difference, maybe even 'hear' it a little too.....!?😂🎸🤘🎸
I wouldn't say I always thought they sounded better on any of the guitars overall (some positions yes, other I preferred the originals), but definitely very different. Cool to hear such a big jump each time. In general they tend to sound crunchier, with a bit more personality to them. As a Silver Sky owner, I didn't get worried or upset by your modding since I knew you had a second one, but either way who doesn't want something completely unique? Ending jam was fantastic, by the way.
For anybody who doesnt know, with es-335's, if you want to swap Pickups, just cut the wire near the pickup itself and solder the new one in. Fishing out your whole harness is really only necessary if you want to change your pots and such :)
It would be great if Gibson just put some kind of quick connector on the pickups on anything without a back plate. Sure it’s not “tradition” but it’d be much more convenient for repairs.
...or save your money and try a low capacitance cable b4 your first preamp stage. It's also pretty easy to swap magnets out of PAF and P90 types. I think those RE PAF's have AIV bars like the mid 60s Gibsons--- available cheap from Philadelphia Luthiers. Assuming the wire gauge, wind count, screws and slugs aren't significantly different, that will yield the higher output without harshness heard in the comparison to the Classic 57's with the AII bars. Both the slightly higher Guass and permeability of AIV pushed the guitar amp more in the video, which ducks the highs as impedance of all the tube stages rises.
@@joermnyc Easy enough to implement yourself if needed. It is a good idea.
@@luisgpr1 and they do make locking quick connectors, I remember those on my old RC car battery.
After all these years the content just keeps getting better 😊
Cut is healing well! Great content as always. Thanks!
what happened
Some jackhole threw a beer bottle at him (intentionally or accidentally is unclear).@@millerplayz3808
@@millerplayz3808he was walking home at night and a dude threw a beer bottle out of a passing car.
a couple things i would recommend is the height of the pickup matters so much as well. and what i love to do with all my strats is add an on off switch to turn on the neck pickup in any setting so you can have two extra settings on a strat. so 7 settings and not 5. you will add all three on at once and my favorite which is the neck and bridge at the same time. promise its great
Loving the bedroom Frusciante lick at the beginning!
I'd highly recommend getting a Dremel tool. It's great for little odds and ends. Just don't sand-blast your brand-new guitar finish with plastic flakes while cutting the control cover to size, like I did.
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How does that work as a finish aging technique?
I picked up the Craftsman version of that because it came with a router base with a depth stop. Much easier if you don’t have to worry about keeping the high rpm tool upright, or going too deep.
Kinda love it. Keep going back and forth on whether the backwards wiring makes me uncomfortable or if it was great. Glad the pros got you sorted.
Love that 4th position with the Ron Ellis pickups on the first guitar.
The Ron Ellis pickups are FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it's nice to see Tyler supporting Caldwell Guitars...gotta keep things local!
WOW ! I love that Gibson with the Ron Ellis Pickups ! That surely is my sound !🤪👏
Definitely would love to hear a tele!
Always experiment, always expand, always grow.
Keep up the good work dude, love the album btw.
Great vid! I thought all of the pickups (stock and replacement) sounded great. Just kinda depended on what vibe you're going for.
I personally liked the PRS better, and a slight advantage to the RE Pickups in all the other axes.
In almost every case, I enjoyed the warmer, less strident sound of the OEM pickups.
Yes, those are all very nice pickups. That said, what you did to the PRS made me very sad and damaged my soul. I must lock myself in a dark room and mourn for the rest of the day.
The Strat is my fav sounding guitar. Great sounding guitars and nice playing!
I would like to see/hear what a guitar would sound like with Mark Tremonti’s hum-bucker in the bridge, Myles Kennedy’s modified single coil in the middle, and a normal single coil in the neck pickup. That would be a lot of money and time but it seems like it would sound awsome.
Holy crap! I didn’t know how much of an effect saturation has on tone. 😱 Seriously though, great video. Very cool.
Man, those pickups are sweet!
On a hollowbody guitar like a 335, you can use clear tubing material you can get from the hardware store to put over pots and it will keep them from falling through. Works better than strings. Great video.
SaaWeeT sounds Bro!💚
Love your videos frl
I love the stock pickups in that 335 more. And that finish. Yummy
I've done the exact same thing on my Telecaster once... got the pickups wired to the switch in reverse order. It's easy to do cuz you automatically think the end of the switch towards the neck pickup gets the neck pickup wire. But while the top of the switch points that way, the bottom of the switch points the other way.... so the neck switch lug is at the bridge end of the switch and vice versa. I just kept mine that way cuz it made it easer to use the volume knob while on the bridge pickup since the switch was in the forward position away from the volume knob.
I love the sound of the 50s 60s single coil, and the Texas ones. Even on the clean setting❤ I might have to upgrade lol
Any Filtertron style pickup would be awesome. it's such an underrated pickup. humcancelling but the sparkle and brightness og af p90 singlecoil
The Strat sounded really good after the swap...I did not necessarily see an improvement in the PRS swap, but it was a change. I would personally leave the PRS alone. ...The others were about the same for me. That is, different but not necessarily better to my ear.
that's funny i thought the opposite. the PRS was vastly better with the Ron Ellis, the Strat was a mixed bag.
The strat sounded great after the swap. I actually preferred the PRS original pickups. The P90s where a huge improvement. I like the Ron Ellis neck pickup on the 335, but thought the stock Gibson Bridge pickup sounded better.
Sounds like the Ellis Strat pickups magically make more reverb appear. Impressive 🤨
Noticed that too... gotta cover up the terrible sound of them somehow
Sooooo much more character and depth!
Assuming the TS set has AV poles and the wire gauge and wind count isn't much different, the tonal difference would mainly come down to the pole magnets, although wire insulation thickness affects coil size and possible semi-shorts around the bobbin edges with PE wire insulation that generally reduce highs. it does sound like the main difference is the lower Gauss/Tesla and higher permeability poles of the RE set. Permeability can have a radical effect as the flux lines are pulled more through the coil to increase efficiency, and possibly affect lower to upper harmonic balance.
Other builders offer AII, AIII and combined poles (for the same effect as the 50s/60s set). FI, the noiseless Wilde NF sets have lower Gauss/Tesla high permeability poles and thinner wire with specific height bobbins for a given tonality at ~1/4 the cost of RE sets...and they are noiseless. Zexcoil also has several affordable high permeability mild conductivity pole noiseless options like these RE sets. The ~$100 Tonerider brand 'Pure Vintage' set is like a cross between the RE 64S & 50/60s set with softer/weaker AV poles and combined AV & AIII poles only in the bridge. Not sure the wire insulation type, so maybe not quite as much lower note harmonic strength as the 64S set (PE wire), or more than the 50/60s set (HF wire).
Loved the single coils, but I have to say Gibson 57 classics are probably my fave stock humbucker. Definite honorable mention to stock p90s as well! Liked the Ron Ellis one better, but both were good
I think the Texas Specials sound better
Was looking for this before I commented. Same here!
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Ahh the American special love it, id love some of those pups to swap my Texas specials out tho
Ron Ellis pkups are a bit darker to coarse in tone. I've got a neck pkup on my Tele that has alnico5 that I've done some work on and it sounds like the RE neck pkup. Dark, rich and a bit coarse w/.013 solid nickel Stringjoys and tuned D standard. With both pups and the bridge dropped low for less volume. Neck is just a 20% louder like a big fat humbucker. Tone knob changes everything many times.
Great roll out tune...SteelyDan-ish !
Hell yeah! Hackin the crap outa geetar for the win :)
Worth it for that sound though!
Awesome vid :)
7:48 - 8:16 Pliny meets An Endless Sporadic anyone?! Gnarly licks Tyler! 🎸 🌌
Man, those are some bright ass tones!
Should try having them send you an Ellisonic JL set, so you can find out how much of the mojo of a Collings 470JL is in the pickups.
On the JM (IMHO) the difference was so much that I don't think there is a real comparison.
Apples to oranges. It would depend on your style.
In the playing demo at the end I thought there were aspects of the WE neck p'up on the Strat that I really liked and I really like the Strat middle pickup, but overall I would prefer the original pickups.
That is why this type of content is so amazing: I got to do the next best thing to doing it myself and all I had to to do is listen.
Great video. Even though I didn't; like the WE pickups that much I learned a TON without spending the money.
THANK YOU and Thanks to Warren Ellis Pickups for teaching me a bunch of stuff for FREE!
Whoa, Ron Ellis lays the smackdown IMO
I am more of a bareknuckle pickups kind of guy and did swaps like to all of my guitars but with bkps. End results really worth it when you fond what you like
4:19 that riff is so good!!!!
I bet Ron is using different types of magnet slugs for each string position in his Fender-style pickups and different strengths to achieve some of the more brilliant sounds. Like, maybe ceramics on the bass strings, Alnico 3 for the middle strings, and Alnico 2 for the high strings.
I think the single coil Ellis pups are more dynamic and preferable to the stock both in the PRS and strat. Honestly though I preferred the stock Gibson P90s and Humbuckers to the Ellis ones
hey Tyler, Your Strat at the beginning is an easy fix. Just rotate your switch 180 degrees. As long as your wires let you. I did to one of my "mistakes".
The unhinged madness while you’re hacking away at a silver sky is the chaotic energy I needed to start my Monday. Thanks
I have really enjoyed watching that destruction of the PRS that was pure quality comedy 😂😂😂
I really disliked the Ron Ellis strat pickups, wasn’t expecting that.
Edit: I do wonder if they were correctly installed tough. Specially on the Prs comparison there’s significant hum and noise on the Ron Ellis pickups compared to the originals ones.
Love that sound from ron ellis pickups ❤
Funnily enough I had the idea to try a tele bridge pickup in a strat recently, I don't use the strat bridge much either but I do love a tele bridge pickups, Warman Guitars in the UK do one with oversized pole pieces called a Tele Wide Boyz I wanted to to try out so went with one of those
Threw in a 6-way switch to get the bridge and neck position as well and for good measure swapped the trem block for a big weighty brass one whilst I was at it, did also shift the peak of the neck pickup slightly to get just a shade more warmth which improved that 6th position, f'kin love it with that tele pickup, made it a much cooler guitar especially with the 6th bridge and neck position
These pickups are genuinely much more expressive in every guitar played in this video
I actually prefered the JM pickups over the RE ones. More full sounding.
In some ways, but the attack is a bit too hard on the plain strings. I think the main difference is the RE 50/60s have AIII poles on the plain strings with ~1/2 the Guass, ~2x the permeability, and a bit higher conductivity than AV. The weaker string pull generally reduces upper harmonic emphasis and atonal modulations, while permeability increases efficiency, and conductivity reduces the Q. That's what gives the plain strings that midrangey sound and less harsh attack. The wound strings might sound much like the TS set, but it's hard to tell. Still, it's not worth the cost for the difference, even if you did prefer it. There are pickups like that for under ~$100/set.
Good video. I''ve been doing some single coil swapping in a couple of my Strats, over the last year or so. First time I've ever swapped pups just for the sake of swapping. It's been kinda driving me crazy and it was all kinda a waste of time, for me. I've tried a couple of the Fenders, a set of Lace, a set of Lollars, and set of EMG's. They all sound different and really great. The original Fender pickups are awesome, too. The cheap Roswells in Harley Benton sound great. Seems like I just can't go wrong, so I go with the quietest.
I'm kinda getting the same thing from your video. They sound different and great, but the originals sound great, too so I don't know if I'd say "better".
The RE pickups are def nice
I'm shocked by the difference in the Silver Sky. Those new pickups are pretty amazing.
I think EMG single coils are the shape that fits in the silver sky (though I’m not sure if the depth would fit though.)
Edit: Stew Mac sells a thing that looks like a brass bent coat hanger for putting knobs and stuff back into an ES guitar without a backplate.
I’d like to see Ron Ellis Tele pickups in a Tele, and I’d like to see you make an HSS Silver Sky
The middle pickup difference is insane
I personally enjoying seeing a PRS of any sort get mangled. With that being said, the new pickups in that sounded awful. It was like it was just an effort to get as much treble into a pickup as possible. The stocks were way better.
Man..that bottle hit hard!! the pickup are rotated 180....look at the bridge pickup cavity next time...that is a tell tale sign for the alignment
Amazing, complete win, a turn of chapter, f the page! Almost forgot too to say great expense hand labor our application, apparently, approved, appreciated✝️
I have Ron Ellis Pickups in my Tele and they are incredible.
You didn't think we notice. But we did. You played ride with me from nelly
Yeah!! Those sound fan-tas-tic! But you got the *Thumbs Up* for the strings at the end! ¡?¡
The sound of those pickups gave me tone wood!
My question is for eg on the fender guitar with the Texas special, when swapping the pickups do you also change the strings or do you have the same ones on, cause the Ron Ellis once sound a little more glassy to my ear, so the question is whether it’s the pickups or also the addition of new strings
Remember to put vitamin E on that (rather cool looking) scar! These pickups are phenomenal. I've installed them for a few customers over the years and they have never failed to improve whatever they are installed in!
Such a dramatic brightness and crispness, I think I could only have those on select guitars, I don't always want all that high end cocaine alertness in a pickup... but sometimes... SLICE THE DIMENSION OPEN AND SEE WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
As a Gibson guy this makes me happy 😂
Hey Tyler don’t forget to oil and hydrate your scar to make it less apparent. Take care, cheers from France.
This is only My opinion but a simple EQ will solve pickup issues. Thats basically all those different pickups do is change the frequencies.
The stock Silver Sky pickups sound much better in that particular Strat, IMO. Especially in the 4 and 5 positions. I'm just a fan of the OG Strat tone, which I think PRS nailed with those pickups. Silver Sky clean through a Super Reverb is hard to beat.
Those P90 pickups are bad ass.
I prefer the 57 classics to the Ellis humbucker tbh, but the rest sounded like a definite upgrade. Especially the p90
Honestly... I think the stock pickups are better. BUT if the amp settings were tweaked on the Ellis pickups that clearly have more output, I would likely think differently.
OMG that was a little bit painful to watch, great results!
Why did you have those pickups mounted backwards on the silver sky? May have helped with the cavity space issue
Those Ron Ellis pickups have a dark, nasally, fuzz(hair) attack. It lives in the mids and gives your tone some personality. Definitely has that classic rock "edge" in comparison.
PRS neck position was personally my favorite tone of all. They sounded kill on the Texas special.
hey man, howd you get that scar on your brow line? hope ur ok!
Have you played any of the Seymour Duncan Zephyrs to be able to compare them?
Not gonna lie the Ron Ellis pickups just sounded hotter too me in each case, and I only liked them better for the p90s,, possibly the middle position on the 335, and tele pickup on the silver sky sounded pretty badass ngl but other than those cases I tend to like a lower output pickup. But to each their own!
I liked the Gibson pickups better in each guitar. Which makes me want to change the originals back into my sg to see if I like them better than the Duncan’s I have in it
Thanks for fun comparisons. As someone that has done a ton of these type of comparison videos, enjoy all the keyboard warriors that will tell you should have done this or that .....and this isn't a fair comparison because of this or that. Ignore them, and keep these coming.
I love them Texas Specials, but in comparison, the Ron Ellis sound like royalty - fuller, deeper, juicier, simply beautiful. But: How do they sit in the mix? This might be an advantage of the trusty Texas Specials
I think I'm just old and being nostalgic, but I remember back in the day when you got stuff ("they sent me thousands of dollars of pickups") from a company there would often be a give away. We all change, I reckon.
A lot of times i thought the regular pickups were better lol