I might have missed it, but just a heads up. Custom Defaults have been removed in 10.10/4.5, so if you are wondering why it doesn't ask about them when you connect after flashing, that's why. Proceed as normal.
That freaked me out. I worried that it failed at first. when I flashed my speedybee F4 v3, the configurator stopped responding on the chip re-boot. Then no loading of custom defaults. I saw it didnt address as is my OSD issue in that flash, so ran back to 4.3. I think I need to try again after educating myself a little.
I hate to break it to you but my boy NotFastEnuf is the first person to fix the yaw issue in angle and horizon modes!! He did this with his work on silverware and then brought it over to Quicksilver.
Horizon mode was how I learned my first 50 flips flying LOS. I wouldn't even want to try it in a long fpv flight trying to be smooth doing other things. It really helped me out and then I transitioned to doing flips in acro. Whenever I freaked out and lost orientation I would just let go of pitch/roll and it figured it all out for me. Haven't tried the new 4.5 horizon mode, but it seems it would be counter-productive to the whole reason I used it to learn.
@JoshuaBardwell what I'm talking about is the yellow "bind reciever" button on the reciever tab in the configurator, I've only seen it there with Spi based Elrs aio boards, using Crsf protocall.
@@JoshuaBardwell Looks like the bug is fixed now. I saw a PR on the BF github. Edit: tried it myself. It's working now after flashing the latest 4.5 zulu (with CRSF enabled). The bind button did also appear, like magic.
@@Onebrokedroneuhhh trolling? Misplaced confidence? Either way, incoming information. There is a very simple explanation for why we select "crsf" in Betaflight (and your EdgeTX radio) when using ELRS. The control link is broken into 2 major parts; the "wireless" protocl and the "radio" protocol. The former is how your transmitter in/on you radio communicates with the receiver on the quad. This is where you would distinguish between ELRS and Crossfire. The latter however, is the protocol that your flight controller is going to use to communicate with your receiver and your radio is going to communicate with your transmitter module. ELRS is ONLY a wireless protocol and not capable of handling the "over the wire" communication between components. For that we was the CRSF protocol (colloquially prononounced "crossfire" because it was developed by TBS and used in tandem with their Crossfire wireless protocol). Hope this clears it up for you and helps you in the future. If you were trolling then you got me and oh well. I'll leave this cus maybe someone who doesn't actually know this will find it and not remain in the dark.
@@justinmuller4809 Yep! I didn't expect that to matter though as you would assume speedybee doesn't need to be updated with every single new betaflight release.
When you're at the mercy of third-party developers reverse engineering or more likely taking directly from the first-party tools, possibly breaking the license in the process, it is expected for a compatible version to arrive late. If you really want to use your phone, there are apk builds of the official Betaflight Configurator available. It works for USB connections, and wireless connectivity is in the works as well
Regarding horizon mode: I think it was a JB or Rosser interview with a betaflight luminary where the story came out that horizon mode was intended for quad pilots who wanted to do flips and rolls line of sight, but couldn't.
Thanks for saying it's enjoying our . Updating in this hobby is a risky thing 😬 sometimes. Even when u save your tuning I just fly without Updating for a long time.
I use Horizon for indoor tiny whoop flights way more than Acro. Faster than angle and makes it easy to recover when getting out of sorts in confined spaces.
my moblite7 is where i started using it. Horizon made it fun inside. Funny story, on my 3.5" skylite I was out flying and never ever had used angle mode, I used a sim then went all in. But it was set up on my controller. I accidently hit the toggle and thought my quad was broken, almost lost it in a yard then carefully landed it not knowing what was happening. Went home then realized hours later what happened haha. thought I had a loose prop.
@@andrew-729 When I built my first 5" quad I didn't understand modes yet and my first flight was in acro mode and I shit my pants and got stuck about 15 feet up in a tree - luckily I was able to shake it loose :)
I have an easy landing mix setup for landing micros in my lap. disarm does a pre-disarm that waits for the throttle to go to zero before killing the motors. This saves 1/2 second on disarm and makes a perfect landing every time.
Great video JB ❤ I was one of those who started on Horizon mode... but for line of site before fpv (putting mounting pinhole cams on Hubsan x4 quads.) Those were the days in summer of 2014, flying them on the beach like a kite for 20 minutes, no throttle needed 😊
lol my introduction to fpv was nothing but flashing firmware… rx, tx, fc, module, esc, radio…😮 and then had to redo, to go from FrSky to ELRS. But everything works now! It’s a lot funner when your stuff just works!
Inav is more for automated/assisted flights modes and longer range fpv, though the default tune for larger quads was notably more stable. Bf4.5 has included more support for magnetometers too, which has been more of an Inav feature.
Some improvements since this video was released - Bind button is now in Configurator for ELRS, and when flashing firmware and you select CRSF, it disables the Telemetry field and says it's automatically included.
I noticed at least two opportunities to reference Underground Whoop League in this video. I'm pretty sure you're aware of its existence. One was in reference to race rules that require LEDs and another was when you were discussing spec racing and RPM limiting. Give UWL some love, eh?
The new horizon mode reminds me of how Acro was implemented for quads in the PhoenixRC sim. It was quite unpleasant to fly because it just creates more unpredictability.
I got a lot of issues with GPS rescue. One day he tried to dive on other people's houses or another day he just said "I am a Stuka, let's dive on the ground or the trees of the people who let me fly in their big land"
What would be cool to see is BF (iNav too!) making a Diff All automatically when flashing and then applying it after the flash. Ideally it would also know which settings are ok to transfer from the current version to the new version being updated to and either giving a warning when something can't be or just skipping it.
with horizon mode, why not make it blend more smoothly on stick position, rather than orientation EG: 0% stick deflection, full Angle mode correction 50% stick deflection, the Angle mode correction is halved, but will still recover if the Acro rate is lower than the Angle correction then theres a critical point, where your Acro rate is equal to the Angle correction, keeping the angle beyond the critical point of stick deflection, the rate of rotation then becomes dominant, but it rotates slowly then at higher deflections, it matches the Acro rate more and more it would add "feel" to the sticks, instead of there being a snap point, where suddenly you get the commanded rate instead of the commanded angle, you get a smooth transition, so you can learn when you push the sticks more, it will start rotating instead of increasing angle, and then you can learn to balance at higher angles, reducing the effect of the angle return until eventually you're in Acro Mode, with no Angle correction.
Slight correction about EzLanding: It isn't just active when the throttle is at zero. It essentially limits how much airmode is allowed to increase the throttle to the highest of: 1. A value based on how close the most deflected stick is to the maximum deflection. If ez_landing_limit is at 25 then 25% stick deflection will let airmode increase the throttle to 50% (which is about as much at it will ever need) 2. The minimum value set with ez_landing_limit (default 5%) 3. The current throttle from the pilot So in a way EzLanding will be active all the way to about 50% throttle if the sticks are centered. Also, it's not just good for landings. it's also useful for unsticking whoops from walls and should make flyaways on arm much less common.
there wasn't a bug with 4.4 and the m10.. they changed the command set for talking to the m10 vs the m8 and the manufactures jumped on the m10 wagon with out bothering to make sure Betaflight had the new commands.. not a bug more like poor life choices by Chinese companies
I remember that in the sim i was flying acro and practised everything in acro, but then when i first flew my drone it was in angle mode and it made me so confused that i sent the drone directly into the tree xD
It’s not really a new feature. But I heard from Zoe that there will be a 3D preset in the new BF release. Idk how well it will work. But some may find it useful
Ah finally they fixed the issue with the M10 GPS. Mine didn't work at all in 4.4, so I went back to 4.3. guess 4.5 might be worth an upgrade to get better GPS rescue and auto-land.
agree 10000% that horizon mode is pointless.. when my daughters where learning i put angle/horizon/acro on a 3 position switch IN THAT ORDER and 99% of the time they didn't even notice they where in acro and not horizon. i think mostly because they would just flip the switch all the way down not realizing horizon was the middle position.
Just a note....You say you can remove the SD OSD option if you are running HD OSD. It has been my experience that when you remove SD OSD you will not see options for OSD in the configurator You must load SD OSD and HD OSD to get all the OSD options. 😎
Joshua, don't you know if there any plans on distance sensors support in betaflight? And do they now use barometer for angle or in gps rescure? And the same for magnetometer - if it is used in gps?
Versions 4.4 and onwards use the Cloud Build system, which requires the user to select the receiver protocol they want to use before the firmware is built. The default is CRSF, if you're using something else, you'll need to pick the applicable protocol
People should learn to coordinate turns with both yaw and roll like a real aircraft. iNav has had the ya reference as an option on a switch for a bit now if you want to be able to try it both ways and see. I was not clear if it was in flight switchable in BF 4.5 or not. The new horizon mode sounds ... interesting. Will be one of those things that needs trying to see if its likable I think.
Wait, ppl *don't* do that!? Its the only way to achieve smooth, banking turns; you'd think it would be as common sense as learning to properly carry speed into a turn when driving a car via trail braking.
Seems like the new business plan for Horizon mode is as an acro mode trainer instead of a self leveling mode with some acro features. To your point though, you are least likely to need the assist when close to level, so...??
Hum, M10 seemed to work ok for me. Interested to see what I was missing! It definitely wandered a bunch trying to figure out which way was home though. Which, made sense with no compass.
It didn't wander because it had no compass. It wandered because the M10 receiver was only running at 1 Hz. One of the effects of the "bug" was that the FC could not change the update rate to 10 Hz as required.
The statement on anglemode is wrong, it still sliedes through the turn. (Joshua actually tried that in a recent video, so mby search that if you want to find out more) I think the new feature is supposed to reduce wobble?
Beta flight is the sole reason I haven’t tried to build my own drone.. it’s so intimidating! I have a hs720 that I got a while ago. I stopped flying it and got something else because the camera range was so bad! I could probably fly it well beyond if the camera would stay connected. I was thinking, for a project, to try and switch out the camera with an Fpv system like dji air.. but would I still have to mess with something like beta flight? Is that even possible? Lol in my mind I could just plug in the unit, get some goggles and continue on.. but I know there’s more to it
That warning sounded like it was put in there for iFlights Patrick LOL. Feel bad for that guy for all of the BS he's dealt with over people updating BF.
1:39 Is this a manufacturer problem or a BetaFlight problem? Are manufacturers making so many abnormal changes to the config that they can't be easily replicated by users, or is BetaFlight making so many fundamental changes to the way a new version works that it completely breaks older quads?
The specific setup of a bind-n-fly is very unique to the hardware on the quad. For example, which UART the receiver is on, what type of receiver is on the drone, and so forth. I do think it would be cool if a manufacturer could "bake in" a set of defaults to the FC that would be preserved and could be reverted easily.
19:00 RE: "New" Horizon Mode "I gotta try this, to see if there's any benefit...." Please do, JB!! ... and please DOCUMENT everything as you do - make a whole video of it, and share it here, I'm sure a lot of us would love to see your insights on this. Happy New Year!
I wonder if they fixed when you unplug your DJI goggles with dji remote black fpv or grey with 03 unit. it just randomly does what it wants with GPS rescue unless thats fixed
The short answer is that the stick input method seems to make the quad behave exactly as if the normal airmode mixer is active under most circumstances. The exceptions being collisions and maybe long drops. The longer answer would involve that, EzLanding being intended to reduce bouncines in general, not just under normal landing circumstances, and a bunch of problems that could happens if EzLanding was coupled to the gyro. Currently EZLanding also allows whoops to unstick themselves from walls by throttling down, which might not be possible if there was also a check for the quad being upright.
I used horizon mode for maiden los flights(because i suck at los) to be able to push it a bit harder, but after listening to this i wonder if this was a valid test
It's a known issue now in RC1, the 4.5 version is not final yet and should most definitely be fixed in the full release. It has to do with GPS features being enabled at build time, but no GPS hardware connected. You can build without GPS features enabled, or flash 4.5 Zulu
I always chase the absolute best behavior in the air, always flash latest, but this time I will not upgrade my 4.4.2 to 4.5. I only use 1 RPM harmonics, so I don't have do dim 2nd and use 3rd one. So there are no changes in 4.5 which will affect my quad with that config. I don't use GPS either. May be I'll consider using it for landing improvements, but not RC1.
I have been on 4.5 since the code released… what feels like almost a year ago now. The only real flight performance change is the new antigravity code. I really like the way I can tune it for freestyle. It’s significantly better for the way I fly and tune. For racing it doesn’t matter.
Not knowing what I don’t know, I flashed 4.4.2 on my new iFlight. Should not have because I don’t have a gyro now. Tried to reinstall 4.3.1, still no gyro. I have no clue! Do I need to buy a new FC?
Where do you acquire new Blackbox Explorer? I went to nighties.. I think we would have to compile.. and I looked at latest time stamps.. they're still old.. where do we try out newest Blackbox Explorer?
Does the new horizon mode NOT have an adjustable "angle limit" to return to level when the sticks are centered? Seems like it would have been a no brainer and then experienced people and new people could truly benefit from the new horizon mode.. if for some reason they wanted it...
The bindbutton in the betaflight receiver tab was only there with flight controllers that have an SPI receiver and you had to select the SPI based receiver in the pulldown menu.
Yes but the specific feature that has been announced in 4.5 is that CRSF can now bind via CLI command bind_rx. This command is the same functionality as the Receiver tab bind button. So that's why I was expecting the bind button to be there. I understand that in the past, this functionality has only worked with SPI receivers, but CRSF don't have SPI receivers.
@@TimeFadesMemoryLasts He wasn’t talking about the CLI command but about the bind button on the receiver tab just as the one that was there in 4.4. for SPI receivers. And he was wrong, it isn’t there for CRSF receivers in betaflight 4.5 I never said CRSF had SPI based receivers. It would have been much easier if they just added a bind button instead of using a CLI command to bind. Fortunately all my quads are converted to ELRS so it’s not a problem for me.
@@woltervandenberg It's fixed for CRSF. The bind button is there. Just try it yourself. Binding via command/button still doesn't work on ELRS receivers but that's because the ELRS firmware first needs to update to detect a bind command. But you can definitely see the bind button appearing in the configurator with ELRS receivers on the latest 4.5 zulu.
I might have missed it, but just a heads up.
Custom Defaults have been removed in 10.10/4.5, so if you are wondering why it doesn't ask about them when you connect after flashing, that's why. Proceed as normal.
That freaked me out. I worried that it failed at first. when I flashed my speedybee F4 v3, the configurator stopped responding on the chip re-boot. Then no loading of custom defaults. I saw it didnt address as is my OSD issue in that flash, so ran back to 4.3. I think I need to try again after educating myself a little.
I hate to break it to you but my boy NotFastEnuf is the first person to fix the yaw issue in angle and horizon modes!! He did this with his work on silverware and then brought it over to Quicksilver.
Now, we need Joshua to make a new Betaflight 4.5 tutorial series
Pids and tunes won't change from 4.4 so he really doesn't need to. But it's J.B. and he's the qwad god, so he probably will.
Can not agree more!
Horizon mode was how I learned my first 50 flips flying LOS. I wouldn't even want to try it in a long fpv flight trying to be smooth doing other things. It really helped me out and then I transitioned to doing flips in acro. Whenever I freaked out and lost orientation I would just let go of pitch/roll and it figured it all out for me. Haven't tried the new 4.5 horizon mode, but it seems it would be counter-productive to the whole reason I used it to learn.
I've been searching for the 4.5 release overview video right now and then your video pops up! Amazing stuff!
For the "bind" button to appear in the reciever tab, you have to have "SPI Rx" selected, and it only works on SPI connected recievers.
That makes no sense since crossfire doesn't do SPI receivers.
@JoshuaBardwell what I'm talking about is the yellow "bind reciever" button on the reciever tab in the configurator, I've only seen it there with Spi based Elrs aio boards, using Crsf protocall.
@JoshuaBardwell well it does not make sense selecting xfire when elrs is elrs.... and xfire xfire. Come one man your reply makes zero sense
@@JoshuaBardwell Looks like the bug is fixed now. I saw a PR on the BF github.
Edit: tried it myself. It's working now after flashing the latest 4.5 zulu (with CRSF enabled). The bind button did also appear, like magic.
@@Onebrokedroneuhhh trolling? Misplaced confidence? Either way, incoming information. There is a very simple explanation for why we select "crsf" in Betaflight (and your EdgeTX radio) when using ELRS. The control link is broken into 2 major parts; the "wireless" protocl and the "radio" protocol. The former is how your transmitter in/on you radio communicates with the receiver on the quad. This is where you would distinguish between ELRS and Crossfire.
The latter however, is the protocol that your flight controller is going to use to communicate with your receiver and your radio is going to communicate with your transmitter module. ELRS is ONLY a wireless protocol and not capable of handling the "over the wire" communication between components. For that we was the CRSF protocol (colloquially prononounced "crossfire" because it was developed by TBS and used in tandem with their Crossfire wireless protocol).
Hope this clears it up for you and helps you in the future. If you were trolling then you got me and oh well. I'll leave this cus maybe someone who doesn't actually know this will find it and not remain in the dark.
I don’t know if I like your in depth long version of the video or it’s just your voice, but I listen to every minute 😂
SpeedyBee has not updated the phone app to support 4.5 yet FYI. I did it a few days ago and got slapped in the face with error msg in the field 🤣
because its the first release candidate and not a end product. bf 4.5 is still in development :)
@@justinmuller4809 Yep! I didn't expect that to matter though as you would assume speedybee doesn't need to be updated with every single new betaflight release.
When you're at the mercy of third-party developers reverse engineering or more likely taking directly from the first-party tools, possibly breaking the license in the process, it is expected for a compatible version to arrive late.
If you really want to use your phone, there are apk builds of the official Betaflight Configurator available. It works for USB connections, and wireless connectivity is in the works as well
Only cli works with the speedybee app. I didn’t try it but would only pull up the cli page.
I too noticed that. I just didn't think about it tbh, but it made sense that it wasn't working yet
they really need to find a way to keep the config or make cli dumps compatible with the new version / auto convert
and auto update the configurator
Reason while I'm holding up the update. I don't want to manually input all the setting!
4.4 CLI diffs should be nearly fully ready to be pasted into 4.5. And the configurator should have you automatically make that backup before flashing
Doesnt diffall work in the cli then just dump that file back into the new version cli. Maybe in missin somethings. I'm just gettin back into it
me and my buddies are using NeutronRC AIO AT32 (f435mini) and it works just fine. we have around 10 pcs and no issues so far
Regarding horizon mode:
I think it was a JB or Rosser interview with a betaflight luminary where the story came out that horizon mode was intended for quad pilots who wanted to do flips and rolls line of sight, but couldn't.
This does make sense.
That’s what I use it for 😂 but it’s actually useful when hover-testing a quad to make sure it’s operational under load.
Thanks for saying it's enjoying our . Updating in this hobby is a risky thing 😬 sometimes. Even when u save your tuning I just fly without Updating for a long time.
Thanks a bunch for all the info, Joshua! 😊
Happy new year! And stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I use Horizon for indoor tiny whoop flights way more than Acro. Faster than angle and makes it easy to recover when getting out of sorts in confined spaces.
my moblite7 is where i started using it. Horizon made it fun inside.
Funny story, on my 3.5" skylite I was out flying and never ever had used angle mode, I used a sim then went all in. But it was set up on my controller. I accidently hit the toggle and thought my quad was broken, almost lost it in a yard then carefully landed it not knowing what was happening. Went home then realized hours later what happened haha. thought I had a loose prop.
@@andrew-729 When I built my first 5" quad I didn't understand modes yet and my first flight was in acro mode and I shit my pants and got stuck about 15 feet up in a tree - luckily I was able to shake it loose :)
I have an easy landing mix setup for landing micros in my lap. disarm does a pre-disarm that waits for the throttle to go to zero before killing the motors. This saves 1/2 second on disarm and makes a perfect landing every time.
That's interesting - I would like to see that in action and try it out....
Great video JB ❤ I was one of those who started on Horizon mode... but for line of site before fpv (putting mounting pinhole cams on Hubsan x4 quads.) Those were the days in summer of 2014, flying them on the beach like a kite for 20 minutes, no throttle needed 😊
Nice ! That some good news for upcoming stuff 😵,look at that as a preview of whats coming ! im waiting for the "Full version" to come out👍😁
I feel like DAS (Dual axis steering) in emuflught for angle mode will still be superior in terms of control compared to this earth referencing thing
lol my introduction to fpv was nothing but flashing firmware… rx, tx, fc, module, esc, radio…😮 and then had to redo, to go from FrSky to ELRS. But everything works now! It’s a lot funner when your stuff just works!
How does this compare with INAV 7?
Inav is more for automated/assisted flights modes and longer range fpv, though the default tune for larger quads was notably more stable.
Bf4.5 has included more support for magnetometers too, which has been more of an Inav feature.
Some improvements since this video was released - Bind button is now in Configurator for ELRS, and when flashing firmware and you select CRSF, it disables the Telemetry field and says it's automatically included.
I noticed at least two opportunities to reference Underground Whoop League in this video. I'm pretty sure you're aware of its existence. One was in reference to race rules that require LEDs and another was when you were discussing spec racing and RPM limiting. Give UWL some love, eh?
We are waiting for your betaflight 4.5 series!! Please make it soon !!
Thank you for being a specialist for drones, if not THE specialist for drones.
And thank you for making realy nice videos you are very human 👍👍👍
The new horizon mode reminds me of how Acro was implemented for quads in the PhoenixRC sim. It was quite unpleasant to fly because it just creates more unpredictability.
I got a lot of issues with GPS rescue. One day he tried to dive on other people's houses or another day he just said "I am a Stuka, let's dive on the ground or the trees of the people who let me fly in their big land"
What would be cool to see is BF (iNav too!) making a Diff All automatically when flashing and then applying it after the flash. Ideally it would also know which settings are ok to transfer from the current version to the new version being updated to and either giving a warning when something can't be or just skipping it.
The Configurator should already prompt you with a warning to make a diff backup automatically before flashing these new versions
this is coming with the cloud system in good time
I'll wait till the stable releases XD thanks for the informative video as usual JB
I love Horizon mode for flying line of sight. You and look cool doing flips and rolls but you don’t crash and burn like in acro
23:10 ELRS bind procedure - You make my day 😁😁😁
This is for only Crossfire
@@CrashFPV21 what are you talking about ? JB simply "perfect explaining" ELRS bind 😆
OMG I am so sorry, LMAO I wasn't understanding what you were saying. My apologies man lol
@@Waltanmari
@@CrashFPV21 np 😉
Thanks for the great info. as always Joshua! 👍👍👍
BIG Thumbs up JB, cant wait for the 4.5 play list :o)
with horizon mode, why not make it blend more smoothly on stick position, rather than orientation
EG:
0% stick deflection, full Angle mode correction
50% stick deflection, the Angle mode correction is halved, but will still recover if the Acro rate is lower than the Angle correction
then theres a critical point, where your Acro rate is equal to the Angle correction, keeping the angle
beyond the critical point of stick deflection, the rate of rotation then becomes dominant, but it rotates slowly
then at higher deflections, it matches the Acro rate more and more
it would add "feel" to the sticks, instead of there being a snap point, where suddenly you get the commanded rate instead of the commanded angle, you get a smooth transition, so you can learn when you push the sticks more, it will start rotating instead of increasing angle, and then you can learn to balance at higher angles, reducing the effect of the angle return until eventually you're in Acro Mode, with no Angle correction.
This is awesome Jb thanks brother. Happy new year
Slight correction about EzLanding:
It isn't just active when the throttle is at zero. It essentially limits how much airmode is allowed to increase the throttle to the highest of:
1. A value based on how close the most deflected stick is to the maximum deflection. If ez_landing_limit is at 25 then 25% stick deflection will let airmode increase the throttle to 50% (which is about as much at it will ever need)
2. The minimum value set with ez_landing_limit (default 5%)
3. The current throttle from the pilot
So in a way EzLanding will be active all the way to about 50% throttle if the sticks are centered.
Also, it's not just good for landings. it's also useful for unsticking whoops from walls and should make flyaways on arm much less common.
Geez... Just learn to land...
“Have to learn” at 0:57 had me 😂
RPM limiter will be a huge feature for racing and awesome to have built in.
Also...quick OSD menu is actually super nice.
there wasn't a bug with 4.4 and the m10.. they changed the command set for talking to the m10 vs the m8 and the manufactures jumped on the m10 wagon with out bothering to make sure Betaflight had the new commands.. not a bug more like poor life choices by Chinese companies
It would be great to have a tutorial on how to calibrate compass, there are no video about for betaflight. In particular non standard settings.
This is all great stuff JB! Thanks pal!
I remember that in the sim i was flying acro and practised everything in acro, but then when i first flew my drone it was in angle mode and it made me so confused that i sent the drone directly into the tree xD
Great video! JB is the goat
Flipped straight into the ground on my first flight. Dang horizon mode. The new changes sound interesting.
It’s not really a new feature. But I heard from Zoe that there will be a 3D preset in the new BF release. Idk how well it will work. But some may find it useful
My Betaflight 4.4.3* takes 10 years for the GPS M10 chip to lock on Satellites. I hope BF 4.5 has fixed that issue. (I fly a BOB57)
Ah finally they fixed the issue with the M10 GPS. Mine didn't work at all in 4.4, so I went back to 4.3. guess 4.5 might be worth an upgrade to get better GPS rescue and auto-land.
Thank You ))
Thanks Joshua for this amazing video!
Offtopic question - is there a plugin for tx16 to show drone on the map?
Thanks! Waiting for tests
Could you possibly do a video on blackbox explorer? Ive always been curious how people read their black box data but never really knew how.
Happy New Year Joshua!
agree 10000% that horizon mode is pointless.. when my daughters where learning i put angle/horizon/acro on a 3 position switch IN THAT ORDER and 99% of the time they didn't even notice they where in acro and not horizon. i think mostly because they would just flip the switch all the way down not realizing horizon was the middle position.
I finally switched to Acro and it's because of Rotorflight and helicopters!
Just a note....You say you can remove the SD OSD option if you are running HD OSD. It has been my experience that when you remove SD OSD you will not see options for OSD in the configurator
You must load SD OSD and HD OSD to get all the OSD options. 😎
Heck yeah! I have a FC I haven’t installed yet. This one will have a gps10 installed. Whoot whoot!
I'm still on CleanFlight 2.0.2 and works wonder 🤣
i have a few spracing f3s on cleanfight, their my old 4s builds so they're not as powerful but they fly like buddar
Great video JB thank you😊.
Awesome! Thanks Bardwell!
Bardwell , please make a video on how to safely find your hover value for gps rescue.
Joshua, don't you know if there any plans on distance sensors support in betaflight?
And do they now use barometer for angle or in gps rescure? And the same for magnetometer - if it is used in gps?
4.5 sounds very interesting! Thank you.
Verry usefull information again, thank you.
I tried updating to 4.3 and 4.4. Couldnt get my receiver to work. Went back to 4.2 and works fine. Might stick it out a bit
Versions 4.4 and onwards use the Cloud Build system, which requires the user to select the receiver protocol they want to use before the firmware is built. The default is CRSF, if you're using something else, you'll need to pick the applicable protocol
@@Vitroid It's not that
@@madladdanthen it's some other user error :))
People should learn to coordinate turns with both yaw and roll like a real aircraft. iNav has had the ya reference as an option on a switch for a bit now if you want to be able to try it both ways and see. I was not clear if it was in flight switchable in BF 4.5 or not.
The new horizon mode sounds ... interesting. Will be one of those things that needs trying to see if its likable I think.
Wait, ppl *don't* do that!? Its the only way to achieve smooth, banking turns; you'd think it would be as common sense as learning to properly carry speed into a turn when driving a car via trail braking.
Seems like the new business plan for Horizon mode is as an acro mode trainer instead of a self leveling mode with some acro features. To your point though, you are least likely to need the assist when close to level, so...??
Still making videos . Impressive
Hum, M10 seemed to work ok for me. Interested to see what I was missing!
It definitely wandered a bunch trying to figure out which way was home though. Which, made sense with no compass.
It didn't wander because it had no compass. It wandered because the M10 receiver was only running at 1 Hz. One of the effects of the "bug" was that the FC could not change the update rate to 10 Hz as required.
The statement on anglemode is wrong, it still sliedes through the turn. (Joshua actually tried that in a recent video, so mby search that if you want to find out more) I think the new feature is supposed to reduce wobble?
I think the bind button in receiver tab was for spi receivers only if i remember correctly. Could be mistaken. It would be sick
Beta flight is the sole reason I haven’t tried to build my own drone.. it’s so intimidating! I have a hs720 that I got a while ago. I stopped flying it and got something else because the camera range was so bad! I could probably fly it well beyond if the camera would stay connected. I was thinking, for a project, to try and switch out the camera with an Fpv system like dji air.. but would I still have to mess with something like beta flight? Is that even possible? Lol in my mind I could just plug in the unit, get some goggles and continue on.. but I know there’s more to it
Why don't you just use presets? Nowadays BF is easy to setup with just a few clicks
youre an awesome dude, love your videos! 💚
That warning sounded like it was put in there for iFlights Patrick LOL. Feel bad for that guy for all of the BS he's dealt with over people updating BF.
Please Joshua can you look at OpenIPC the open source Digital FPV system. Is this the next big thing? Your take would be really nice.
1:39 Is this a manufacturer problem or a BetaFlight problem? Are manufacturers making so many abnormal changes to the config that they can't be easily replicated by users, or is BetaFlight making so many fundamental changes to the way a new version works that it completely breaks older quads?
The specific setup of a bind-n-fly is very unique to the hardware on the quad. For example, which UART the receiver is on, what type of receiver is on the drone, and so forth.
I do think it would be cool if a manufacturer could "bake in" a set of defaults to the FC that would be preserved and could be reverted easily.
So horizon used to be beginner mode with flair, now it’s advanced mode with autopilot for taking your goggles off and stuff
19:00 RE: "New" Horizon Mode "I gotta try this, to see if there's any benefit...." Please do, JB!! ... and please DOCUMENT everything as you do - make a whole video of it, and share it here, I'm sure a lot of us would love to see your insights on this. Happy New Year!
Updated to 4.5 and Instead of 3 min satellite lock on, I get maybe 1 sat after 30 mins.
I wonder if they fixed when you unplug your DJI goggles with dji remote black fpv or grey with 03 unit. it just randomly does what it wants with GPS rescue unless thats fixed
will never use EZLAnding. i'm 3d pilot and it could be disaster for my quad 😅
seems to me from the timestamps its gonna be a nice update
So is it as simple as saving the tune, update betaflight, load old tune or is it more complicated than that. Sorry im fairly new to all this.
Well here I am: after this semester, I have all my quads on 4.3 so, do I want to upgrade?
For EZLanding, shouldn't it also be checking whether the drone is upright? Why is it only looking at stick inputs?
I mean, that does make sense.
The short answer is that the stick input method seems to make the quad behave exactly as if the normal airmode mixer is active under most circumstances. The exceptions being collisions and maybe long drops.
The longer answer would involve that, EzLanding being intended to reduce bouncines in general, not just under normal landing circumstances, and a bunch of problems that could happens if EzLanding was coupled to the gyro.
Currently EZLanding also allows whoops to unstick themselves from walls by throttling down, which might not be possible if there was also a check for the quad being upright.
I used horizon mode for maiden los flights(because i suck at los) to be able to push it a bit harder, but after listening to this i wonder if this was a valid test
I began using horizon mode about a year ago, only on my whoops - it made it real easy to flip and roll LOS
just install it today cant arm....
It's a known issue now in RC1, the 4.5 version is not final yet and should most definitely be fixed in the full release. It has to do with GPS features being enabled at build time, but no GPS hardware connected. You can build without GPS features enabled, or flash 4.5 Zulu
@@Vitroid oh thx for reply.. I'll wait then for next few rcandidates
I always chase the absolute best behavior in the air, always flash latest, but this time I will not upgrade my 4.4.2 to 4.5. I only use 1 RPM harmonics, so I don't have do dim 2nd and use 3rd one. So there are no changes in 4.5 which will affect my quad with that config. I don't use GPS either. May be I'll consider using it for landing improvements, but not RC1.
I have been on 4.5 since the code released… what feels like almost a year ago now. The only real flight performance change is the new antigravity code.
I really like the way I can tune it for freestyle. It’s significantly better for the way I fly and tune. For racing it doesn’t matter.
Took me a whole day to figure out when I updated my bind and fly the it change the orientation. Quad kept flipping on take off.
See I just got back into flying Kiss and go figure another Bf update 😂😂😂
Doesn’t FPV Angle Mix accomplish the same thing as this Earth Ref, only better??
Not knowing what I don’t know, I flashed 4.4.2 on my new iFlight. Should not have because I don’t have a gyro now. Tried to reinstall 4.3.1, still no gyro. I have no clue! Do I need to buy a new FC?
Perhaps the new horizon mode makes landing easier, but flies like acro?
I love AT32
LEDs are not a TT Spec requirement anymore 😉
Where do you acquire new Blackbox Explorer? I went to nighties.. I think we would have to compile.. and I looked at latest time stamps.. they're still old.. where do we try out newest Blackbox Explorer?
Does the new horizon mode NOT have an adjustable "angle limit" to return to level when the sticks are centered? Seems like it would have been a no brainer and then experienced people and new people could truly benefit from the new horizon mode.. if for some reason they wanted it...
The bindbutton in the betaflight receiver tab was only there with flight controllers that have an SPI receiver and you had to select the SPI based receiver in the pulldown menu.
Yes but the specific feature that has been announced in 4.5 is that CRSF can now bind via CLI command bind_rx. This command is the same functionality as the Receiver tab bind button. So that's why I was expecting the bind button to be there. I understand that in the past, this functionality has only worked with SPI receivers, but CRSF don't have SPI receivers.
JB is right. I checked the latest 4.5 zulu today and now the bind command correctly works with CRSF as well. it's fixed
@@TimeFadesMemoryLasts He wasn’t talking about the CLI command but about the bind button on the receiver tab just as the one that was there in 4.4. for SPI receivers. And he was wrong, it isn’t there for CRSF receivers in betaflight 4.5
I never said CRSF had SPI based receivers.
It would have been much easier if they just added a bind button instead of using a CLI command to bind.
Fortunately all my quads are converted to ELRS so it’s not a problem for me.
@@woltervandenberg It's fixed for CRSF. The bind button is there. Just try it yourself.
Binding via command/button still doesn't work on ELRS receivers but that's because the ELRS firmware first needs to update to detect a bind command. But you can definitely see the bind button appearing in the configurator with ELRS receivers on the latest 4.5 zulu.
@@woltervandenberg The bind button is there. try it out
Jb loves going deep
Why nobody is talking about BF 4.5 final release issues. On some FC the motors won't spinn at all. 4.5 RC4 works great.
Go to CLI type
set dshot_bitbang =on
save
If that doesn't work set it off.
We covered it on the news FWIW so somebody is taking about it.
Could you not trigger FPV camera angle mixing on the same switch as angle mode.
12:14 😂... It wasn't me.