at 10:12 we were confused with the Carens platform, hence, after rechecking with some more sources we got to know that the internet is divided with the b/w K2 and K1, platforms, some sources claim that Carens is based on the k1 platform while others claim the k2 theory, for now, we believe the K1 platform is more closely related to carens due to its Price Placement.
Wrong, sources can be wrong on Google if not researched deeply well. Carens is K2 platform as it's a recreational 6/7seater car based on Sonet like car that comes under K2 platform not K1.
Biggest scam alert ???! You are the right person to raise voice related to this. Why e20 fuel price is equal to normal fuel price? Is there any scam by petrol pump owners ? I agree farmers may get benifit. But if it should be min 5rs less than normal fuel, people will go for this. It should be profitable for both farmers and users. Now looks only petrol station owners making profit ! Please make a detailed video related to e20 milage, performance, benifits etc. Also question about its price and raise your voice to bring the change. Thank you !
K1 platform cant accomodate 1.5 petrol, 1.5 diesel or even the turbo petrol. That is the reason why the grand i 10 nios and grand i10 had 1.2l 3 cyl diesel
Please make an awareness video on trucks and buses with rear and front underride crash protection. Even a car with higher safty rating will fail in under ride crashes with truck.
Both are shit in quality and after sales. Tata in refinement too. What you think they'll learn from eachother? PS: I still drive my Tata Tiago almost every single day.
Tata actually does share a platform with Range Rover. The Harrier and Safari is based on the D8 platform on which the Range Rover Evoque and Discovery are built.
@@amaeyparadkar9632Suzuki, Toyota and other multinational brands are present in passanger car market from more than 100 years but whereas Tata is just 30 years old. It will take time improve the product.
@@CAyushPore I never said it is built on the D8 platform. It is based on the D8 platform. Essentially they share similar DNA as they are under the same under the same Parent company Tata Motors.
These kinds of collaborations are pretty common here in U.S. in your list the only true collaboration is between Toyota and Suzuki, Renault and Nissan owe stakes in each other companies, Skoda is wholly owned by Volkswagen and Kia was purchased by Hyundai in 1998 when Kia filed for bankruptcy
But they don't sell rebadged copycats. For example kia sonet is Hyundai creta or vice-versa but they look entirely different inside out. Same goes for Hyundai Elantra and kia rio/pegasus, kia picanto and Hyundai i10, kia sportage and Hyundai Tucson etc....
@@akshatkhedekar8561Why is government responsible?? Can you explain?? Indian consumer has more responsibility. Everyone is happy with high mileage tin sheet cars
@@abhishekverma3866Bro our taxes is very very very much higher compared to others , that tend us to leave our dreams ,,, I hope Honda never leave india And as you know many of cars are discontinued and some brands just left india , Just because of indian taxes bro 😢😢😢
Indian manufacturers don’t have a good sedan, can agree with that, apart from that, tata & mahindra touched rest of the segment comfortably. When you say exciting, what are criteria
@@sharathrao9605 Not really... Tata is selling cars in the name of safety but they are compromising on the engine reliability, refinement, fit finish etc. they are selling beefed up hatchbacks in the name of so called 'SUVs'. And Mahindra is only selling actual SUVs which a common man cannot afford or it is too big for city drives
Exactly, you have mirrored my thoughts on Hyundai/Kia. Hyundai Kia are the only mainstream brands that understand what customers want. The way they do things is just exciting in a way which you don't feel from other companies. Hyundai and Kia together clinched three of the six World Car of the Year awards, late last month, all while undercutting their competitors. The Kia EV9 won both World Car of the Year and World Electric Vehicle awards, while the Hyundai IONIQ 5 N was recognized as the World Performance Car.
My brother has an urban cruiser and he has access to excellent servicing standards that Toyota has, unlike the overcrowded Suzuki service center. He also has the benefit of being easily able to acquire original spares and have them fitted by the local mechanics when the car is older/over warranty. Also, Volkswagen owns Skoda, its not a partnership Hyundai owns Kia, same. Nissan owns Datsun, Renault owns Dacia, and Renault Nissan are actual partners. Same with Suzuki and Toyota.
True, Volkswagen owns skoda. But they are still standalone brands. VW owns a lot of brands, similarly FCA owns most brands in Europe and GM owns most brands in America. So even though dodge challenger and Chevrolet Camaro are owned under same car group, they are essentially competing product lines. Service experience does differ. If you buy a TVs 310rr you have to go to a TVs service centre. If you buy a BMW 310rr you go to a BMW service centre. But you'll also me paying alot more for the experience.
Sometimes a copy paste car or same platform developed can be beneficial for customers like Virtus and Slavia. Lexus ES 300h is the twin sister of Toyota Camry, even though the former is expensive than the latter but I still love Lexus ES 300h
sir Kiger have 4 star rating their build quality is better than most of the car present in Indian Car Market, but i agree with your point they have refinement issues in their cars.
For the price, sahi hai... tata ka networking, service centers availability, build quality, refinement accha hai.. But Nissan/Renault ki dono gariyo mein CVT turbo variants milta hai.. Mere pas Tata Nexon Pure revotron amt hai aur Nissan Magnite xv premium turbo CVT hai.. Nexon feels reliable and Nissan feels fun to drive.
Genesis is a hit in international markets within a short span.Its far better than Toyota's Lexus and gives a tough competition to German luxury brands.
Also, not to forget Pontiac GTO and Vauxhall Monaro VXR, Opel Speedster and Vauxhall VX220, Opel Agilia and Suzuki Splash/Ritz and Alfa Romeo Tonale and Dodge Hornet.
Thanks for bringing out dedicated video on this topic and also pin pointed the combinations that are actually delivering value to Indian customers.. Kudos.. 👏👏
Wow! So amazingly narrated- some of the examples of platform sharing I didn’t even know! Thank you man, you’re one of the best auto channels out there! Also, P.S. please bring back english subtitles! Thanks again:)
@@deecee7366yaris ho gyi phir etios ho gyi those were good budget friendly cars but you know ye sab auto makers Indian market ko for granted lete hain
I don't know why it has to be a see-swa strategy, where this strategy will help sales and new customers but it will down the image. They do have ALOT of cars that are suited for Indian markets. Toyota the world's biggest car co. we are talking here. Instead of see-swa, a straight win win situation can be achieved. Like Mahindra did by focusing on SUV and not on mileage (India's top priority). Anyways, I/we are not the sellers. They might* know what they are doing.
*Older maruti cars were also jointly developed with other car manufacturers! For ex- SX4 also known as fiat sidici and Ritz was also known as splash developed with opel!*
Somehow this strategy worked for us. My family bought a Kia Sonet bcoz every family member was reluctant to buy Hyundai Venue bcoz of it's looks and it was a Hyundai. But after seeing design of the Sonet with the customer service experience of Kia, everyone agreed to buy the Sonet in a heartbeat.
Carens sharing the same platform as i10 is a real shocker!! I had i10 and now carens and the space difference is Enormous! This is marvelous engineering in my opinion!
The perception of the Indian customer to etios and yaris is the cause. With high government taxes. Thats why I think maruti and Toyota collaborated. Yaris and etios are very practical cars and Toyota did a lot of stuff themselves before releasing these cars into the market. They would have spent millions to develop these cars .ive heard that the Japanese themselves came to India to study what the market wants. They did this in the US and thats how they became no.1 there. But in India the total opposite happened. The market backstabbed toyota. Toyota is also partly to blame because their advertising and designing department was behind compared to other manufacturers, but their goal was practicality over everything. In the end, the market has changed, emission norms, safety etc. and building cars more suitable for customers requests are slowly on the decline. So because of the maruti and Toyota partnership, toyota has two options...copy Maruti suzuki , or introduce their own models. But if they introduce their own model,maruti will copy sooner or later. It can cause toyota some losses. So i think they r trying to play safe. Observing the maruti model becoming a success, and then releasing their rebadged model in the market is safe for them
Earlier when Honda CD 100 and Suzuki 2 stroke were introduced ...most of parts were sourced from same sources eg. Jumpers, cables, mudguards, stands etc. Now trend is active in cars segment .
I completely agree, it has become very essential to focus on value and quality while considering options which rely on platform sharing. Imo, the image of toyota has fallen down. They are known for creating high quality stuff but rebadging suzuki cars has tarnished that USP.
Hyundai owns roughly 34% in Kia. Both are sister companies so the collaboration shouldn't come as a surprise. Same goes for VW and Skoda as VW Group wholly owns Skoda. Nissan and Renault both are struggling brands in their respective home markets. So maybe that explains. I think Toyota simply doesn't want to invest to make entry level market in India. Their most successful cars like Camry and RAV4 are staple cars in the US where they are sold in lacs annually. Camry is a taxi car in Dubai. While they would sell only in a few thousands in India even if they make it locally. Btw RAV4 and Fortuner sell for roughly the same price in Dubai. And many people don't like Fortuner because it is body on frame and isn't as comfortable. But people are crazy behind Fortuner in India. So no wonder they dont see a point to bring RAV4 in India to compete against Tucson and Tiguan because they don't have a market in India for these cars.
Thank you for this video, definitely providing new knowledge to us users. One thing makes me think further is Hyundai's K1 platform on which cars like venue, i20 & carena are made...are Hyundai compromising on any factors like safety, by making bigger cars on platforms earlier used to make smaller cars? .Requesting to to make a deeper video on this highlighting the pros and cons of such cross usage of platforms. If any other reading material on this, kindly share any links on this as well.
I think it's a good thing to have rebadged cars option for buyers because different companies have their own perks. For example, if you take Glanza and Baleno, the service of Toyota is much better than Suzuki same goes for Virtus and Slavia, where Volkswagen has better service and behavior than Skoda on the other hand Skoda has better resale than Volkswagen.
Haha, no. It seems you don't own any Toyota badged Maruti car then... Their service team doesn't care about anything else except their premium Fortuners.
Totally Agree. Platform Sharing does indeed give a wider scope to the manufacturers to develop better features and aesthetics of the car. Rebadging on the other hand gives less space for the creativity although being cost effective. Toyota should bring in their RAV-4 to the Indian market and Hybrid to the fortuner. Waiting to see what Suzuki would do with these 2 models.
There was a company called sipani motors in 90s that launched a car called Montana. This was a fiberglass bodied car which costed 10-20 K less than maruti 800. At that time, 10 thousand was a big number... Apart from that the usual drill of "swaraj or vocal for local" kind of stuff was spreading rapidly. The fiberglass body was like well, it was hard, but if you met with an accident, you'd have to chip off the entire part! Mechanical parts: just like Tata of today, the manufacturer imported different parts like engine, gearbox and electrical components were imported from different countries. Funny thing, they took turn signals, headlights and some other components from maruti Suzuki 😅 the result was that the engine was actually built by a British company originally for tractors, but was fit in this car, so the whole car shook like a vibrator. Also, it failed almost once in a month. My father was too excited at the prospect of swaraj thing and bought this car over maruti 800 in 90s. Due to extreme failure rate of this car and non existent customer service, most owners filed a PIL and eventually the courts ordered 50% of the cost to be given back to the owners. Promptly, most people gave it back, but my father was on another level of desi stuff. He retained his car. Even after the company closed, my father kept driving this contraption for 15 years!!!! Sipani motors had a garage where they kept spares and it was like a garden sale. You could purchase based on your need. He kept purchasing the parts and shelling money to local garages to get the car in running condition almost every month. The car broke down numerous times on relatively longer trips like 150-200 kms around and had to be repaired and we had to halt in numerous unknown places just for the sake of the car. I was terrified and anxious all the time abkut the car breaking down even as a child. After mechanical parts at sipani exhausted, the local mechanics suggested to install ambassador and fiat parts! 😬 It's only in mid 2000s that my father realized his mistake. Even today he says never buy an unknown brand and especially if they are selling by exploiting your nationalistic emotions. He regrets and says he never experienced a single day of peace of mind ownership due to the horrible experience. He also says, only if he had purchased maruti 800 first hand which was just 10 K more, he'd have enjoyed the driving experience and did not have to travel by bus and auto inspite of owning a car. It's very easy to invoke nationalistic emotions in anyone, but performance is like mother nature... She doesn't care if you are good or bad, Indian or American, she just is and will eradicate the weakest. PS: eventually we bought a Maruti 800 in 2005 or something and this car was parked infront of the house, until the municipality ordered us the remove the car. My father sold it for 5000 to a local kabadi shop. Children would often use this car to play car-car. The car costed 1 lakh something!
Totally agree and brand like Toyota must do something about this because we want to buy a Toyota design international product not other brands products from their showrooms and these copy things run only for 1-2 year than people start buying other brands
Hyundai is the parent company of Kia, it's not a collaboration, it's just that hyundai does the same research for both and be efficient. Sane is the case for skoda where volkswagen is the parent company
Good content .. you should have explained the 4 different type of sharing between brands 4. Last minute logo swap with no changes aka maruti and toyota 3. Logo swap after car development for increased sales like renault / nissan from dacia duster 2. Joint development from start of product development like vw and skoda for vento or kushaq 1. Platform sharing with complete different product development teams who try using part from same bin wherever it suits them aka vw golf and audi A3. To add to this there is difference between perceived quality between brands. Expected quality difference in india between Skoda and vw is minimal. People who are buying toyota and getting maruti are cheated big time. That is what makes that ' sharing' bad for consumer and disastrous for company in long run
Very well presented bro… you have spoken my mind… this is the reason I have started to hate Toyota and have decided not to ever buy their car…. Toyota and Honda are investing in developed markets but they don’t want to invest in India…
Now that's all a dream.. this is working for them so we can expect only Maruti cars. Only expensive cars atleast have engine of Toyota like Innova or Fortuner
I absolutely agree with the fact that Nissan's naturally aspirated engine is really underpowered...But man can you name me one suv that can be bought within 6 lakhs that is sexy and has a 4 star safety rating....I own a Nissan magnite Turbo CVT and its my daily driver...I absolutely love the performance it gives me with the Turbo and the CVT works wonders during overtaking...I absolutely agree that some good cars can be bought with same money as Nissan Magnite Turbo CVT...But on many of the cars i test drived have AMT or DCT mostly...When i went to test drive Nissan Magnite I absolutely fell in love with the performance. I found its features (Wireless Auto and carplay, And the features it gives in the Tech Package that i bought seperately really good...I have the 2021 Model...Service sometimes is a nightmare. But atlast after some fighting they get the things done...The new 2024 model have alot of new features at same price including Surround airbags.. One thing they can improve is the Service Network
Have booked the Glanza this month, because I prefer it's design over Baleno which is subjective ofcourse also, I managed to get more than 1 lakhs of discount and free extended warranty for 5 years, which was the dealbreaker for me and surprisingly am getting Glanza at a much cheaper price than what the Nexa dealerships were providing for Baleno
Bro your content is really awesome.. I started watching your videos since you appeared in my youtube feeds. I expect you to make review videos of cars based on logic you always considered while making videos for us. Here we face a lot more confusion while selecting cars. Other creators actually don't help us in decision making... Instead making us more confused
1st would VW/Skoda partnership because they have made a great comeback with the 2.0 strategy... People don't understand the R&D and engineering behind the German brands abd rgeir reliability and higher cost of ownership stories have forced people to go towards Koreans
One major for brands getting into "collaboration" mode is due to CAFE norms. For instance, Toyota needs to sell smaller cars with lower emissions to continue selling their huge diesel SUVs.
The rankings you gave actually make sense because: 1. Kia is a subsidiary of Hyundai. 2. Skoda is a subsidiary of VW. 3. Nissan & Renault, both have 15% ownership in each other's company. 4. Finally, the Suzuki & Toyota... The Japanese twins are just lazy. (Though globally, Toyota has about 4.9% ownership in Suzuki & Suzuki has about 0.2% in Toyota, it's not exactly significant in our market)
So true about Toyota & Suzuki venture. These brands are doing less for the peoples but actually giving lazy efforts for faster profits without substantial value to the public.
Toyota Yaris and RAV-4 are amazing cars, like Yaris is a perfect family hatchback, and if they bring Yaris GR then it's going to be one of the best hot hatches (considering if Toyota manufactures them in India itself) and RAV-4 will be an amazing Creta Rival with AWD and more power.
I purchased a Glanza G-Hybrid in 2021 and a Baleno zeta was purchased in my family just a couple of months later. The difference in after sales and service experience is night and day for the past 3 years. Toyota technicians are somehow more superior when comes to fixing issues in a product made by Maruti itself. They're way better informed and sophisticated due to handling much more premium products for years. Plus the sheer numbers of sales hamper the service experience as Maruti service centers are almost always crowded and you find yourself to be lost in the crowd and unanswered. On top of that toyota offered superior warranty as standard 3Y/75K Km as compared to maruti 2Y/40K Km....That's just my perspective based on my personal experience. We should not just outright bash the company for rebranding but also look if there's a better deal for us in there.
As usual very informative videos... Please make a video in the impact of new car makers coming to India like the EVR motors from Israel and the Vinfast from Vietnam. Another video would be to make the future of hybrid cars, as you already made the video on the future of electric car.
Both need to fix their own stuffs first. Or they need to partner with brands who don't have mechanical fault like: Toyota, Suzuki, Mitshubishi, BMW. You Know Force Moters? Study about them and their collaboration. The only Indian Brand which I know for their best collaboration and most trusted engine supplier for Audi and BMW.
Bro not only this “Lamborghini Urus Audi RS Q8 Porsche Cayenne” Audi R8 and Huaracan they are same care with different body Panel 😂 Rolls Royce and 7 Series shares platform Cullinan and X7 shares platform 🎉😂
at 10:12 we were confused with the Carens platform, hence, after rechecking with some more sources we got to know that the internet is divided with the b/w K2 and K1, platforms, some sources claim that Carens is based on the k1 platform while others claim the k2 theory, for now, we believe the K1 platform is more closely related to carens due to its Price Placement.
Wrong, sources can be wrong on Google if not researched deeply well. Carens is K2 platform as it's a recreational 6/7seater car based on Sonet like car that comes under K2 platform not K1.
Biggest scam alert ???! You are the right person to raise voice related to this.
Why e20 fuel price is equal to normal fuel price? Is there any scam by petrol pump owners ?
I agree farmers may get benifit. But if it should be min 5rs less than normal fuel, people will go for this. It should be profitable for both farmers and users. Now looks only petrol station owners making profit ! Please make a detailed video related to e20 milage, performance, benifits etc. Also question about its price and raise your voice to bring the change.
Thank you !
Judwaa brother then who look exactly same punch and nexon there looks exactly bsame design
K1 platform cant accomodate 1.5 petrol, 1.5 diesel or even the turbo petrol. That is the reason why the grand i 10 nios and grand i10 had 1.2l 3 cyl diesel
Please make an awareness video on trucks and buses with rear and front underride crash protection. Even a car with higher safty rating will fail in under ride crashes with truck.
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I love your content. Keep up with the hardwork.
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Tata & Mahindra should start this type of collaboration so that they can target European & NA markets by improving their products.
Both are shit in quality and after sales. Tata in refinement too. What you think they'll learn from eachother?
PS: I still drive my Tata Tiago almost every single day.
Tata actually does share a platform with Range Rover. The Harrier and Safari is based on the D8 platform on which the Range Rover Evoque and Discovery are built.
@@NolanPinto no not at all
tata harrier and safari uses OmegaArc platform which is a re - engineered platform of the D8
@@amaeyparadkar9632Suzuki, Toyota and other multinational brands are present in passanger car market from more than 100 years but whereas Tata is just 30 years old. It will take time improve the product.
@@CAyushPore I never said it is built on the D8 platform. It is based on the D8 platform. Essentially they share similar DNA as they are under the same under the same Parent company Tata Motors.
The trend of selling rebadged cars dated back since 2000 Few examples from the last decade were Duster & Terrano Sunny & Scala Micra&pulse
Yeah people crying over nothing.. if you are not happy with the product, just vote with your money man..
He mentioned it in the video
▫️Hindustan Ambassador - Oxford Series 3
▫️Premier Padmini - Fiat 1100
▫️Standard Herald - Triumph Herald
▫️Maruti 800 - Suzuki Alto Gen 1
▫️Mahindra Major - Jeep CJ 3B
Nah bro this dates back to the 60's at least
Dodge and plymouth had a lot like the challenger and the barracuda
Superbird and Daytona etc
These kinds of collaborations are pretty common here in U.S. in your list the only true collaboration is between Toyota and Suzuki, Renault and Nissan owe stakes in each other companies, Skoda is wholly owned by Volkswagen and Kia was purchased by Hyundai in 1998 when Kia filed for bankruptcy
It also the latest one on the list
But they don't sell rebadged copycats. For example kia sonet is Hyundai creta or vice-versa but they look entirely different inside out. Same goes for Hyundai Elantra and kia rio/pegasus, kia picanto and Hyundai i10, kia sportage and Hyundai Tucson etc....
Toyota in Indian market🤡 Toyota in international markets 😎😈
India not for even professional 🔥🥴
Fortuner, Innova, land cruiser and Vellfire in India 🗿🗿🗿🗿
itna paisa lagake gaadi fail ho jaye to usse acha rebadge karke hi bech lo
But Toyota's every car is successful in India
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Automobile manufacturers are kind of cheating the general public these days.
Thanks to our beloved govt
@@akshatkhedekar8561
& Thanks to Public
Who doesn't want to Come in Politics
Everybody wants someone else to come in Front & Clean the Dirt for them
@@akshatkhedekar8561Why is government responsible?? Can you explain??
Indian consumer has more responsibility. Everyone is happy with high mileage tin sheet cars
TO BHAI LE MAT TUME SAMJ ME HI NAHI AYHE VIDEO THEEK SE AKE COMMENT KAREHO.YE KOI NAYA CHESE NAHI HE HAR INDUSTRY ME HE YE
@@abhishekverma3866Bro our taxes is very very very much higher compared to others , that tend us to leave our dreams ,,,
I hope Honda never leave india
And as you know many of cars are discontinued and some brands just left india ,
Just because of indian taxes bro 😢😢😢
Waiting for Maruti Suzuki anfortuner😂😂😂😂
Misfortuner😂
Me waiting for Maruti Suzuki Supari😂
Unfortuner 😂😂😂
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Me waiting for maruti suzuki forturner😂
Other brands- Platform sharing
TaTa- Platform hierarchy-Indigo
Gold comment 😂
Indica isnt it
The problem today is... No car from an Indian manufacturer is exciting now a days...
Indian manufacturers don’t have a good sedan, can agree with that, apart from that, tata & mahindra touched rest of the segment comfortably. When you say exciting, what are criteria
@@sharathrao9605 its all crap brother compared to what they have abroad
@@sharathrao9605 Not really... Tata is selling cars in the name of safety but they are compromising on the engine reliability, refinement, fit finish etc. they are selling beefed up hatchbacks in the name of so called 'SUVs'. And Mahindra is only selling actual SUVs which a common man cannot afford or it is too big for city drives
Yea guys acctually none of these brand has launched any sedan car
@@arpanmahapatra342Absolutely true.
Exactly, you have mirrored my thoughts on Hyundai/Kia.
Hyundai Kia are the only mainstream brands that understand what customers want. The way they do things is just exciting in a way which you don't feel from other companies.
Hyundai and Kia together clinched three of the six World Car of the Year awards, late last month, all while undercutting their competitors. The Kia EV9 won both World Car of the Year and World Electric Vehicle awards, while the Hyundai IONIQ 5 N was recognized as the World Performance Car.
Hyundai motor group owns kia
From where u bring such brilliant video ideas , may u get such ideas forever😇😇
My brother has an urban cruiser and he has access to excellent servicing standards that Toyota has, unlike the overcrowded Suzuki service center. He also has the benefit of being easily able to acquire original spares and have them fitted by the local mechanics when the car is older/over warranty.
Also,
Volkswagen owns Skoda, its not a partnership
Hyundai owns Kia, same.
Nissan owns Datsun, Renault owns Dacia, and Renault Nissan are actual partners.
Same with Suzuki and Toyota.
So you place the Suzuki Toyota partnership at the top?
@@N0Xa880iUL For me, it's the Nissan, Renault and Mitsubishi alliance that's mote promising.
He doesn't research properly before sharing his videos
@@InvictusCoachingYou're just discrediting him. He's talking about brands.
True, Volkswagen owns skoda. But they are still standalone brands. VW owns a lot of brands, similarly FCA owns most brands in Europe and GM owns most brands in America. So even though dodge challenger and Chevrolet Camaro are owned under same car group, they are essentially competing product lines.
Service experience does differ. If you buy a TVs 310rr you have to go to a TVs service centre. If you buy a BMW 310rr you go to a BMW service centre. But you'll also me paying alot more for the experience.
Where you find these topics? excellent yrr mind blowing video❤❤ unique 😊
Sometimes a copy paste car or same platform developed can be beneficial for customers like Virtus and Slavia. Lexus ES 300h is the twin sister of Toyota Camry, even though the former is expensive than the latter but I still love Lexus ES 300h
Bro Lexus es300h is my dream car❤
It works only because lexus is part of Toyota, and skoda is under VW conglomerate.
No es 300h is based on the avalon platform and not on the camry platform. Do due diligence
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sir Kiger have 4 star rating their build quality is better than most of the car present in Indian Car Market, but i agree with your point they have refinement issues in their cars.
But why are still both magnite and kiger considered as bad cars like not so good
The doors of Kiger feel like a tin can. And then there are insulation issues in both of them.
Kiger good car
Interior quality bhi low h..but but they are also decently priced for they offer.
For the price, sahi hai... tata ka networking, service centers availability, build quality, refinement accha hai..
But Nissan/Renault ki dono gariyo mein CVT turbo variants milta hai..
Mere pas Tata Nexon Pure revotron amt hai aur Nissan Magnite xv premium turbo CVT hai.. Nexon feels reliable and Nissan feels fun to drive.
I have been watching your videos lately and one thing that I really enjoy is your approach is non conventional. Thanks.
Plz make a video on Genesis cars line up, when it is coming in India and at what price point they are launching the cars ❤
Genesis is a hit in international markets within a short span.Its far better than Toyota's Lexus and gives a tough competition to German luxury brands.
Nice job bro, I barely watch Indian car videos or Indian car reviewer/UA-camr. You're so good with sticking to the point and your style of review
Also, not to forget Pontiac GTO and Vauxhall Monaro VXR, Opel Speedster and Vauxhall VX220, Opel Agilia and Suzuki Splash/Ritz and Alfa Romeo Tonale and Dodge Hornet.
Thanks for bringing out dedicated video on this topic and also pin pointed the combinations that are actually delivering value to Indian customers.. Kudos.. 👏👏
Wow! So amazingly narrated- some of the examples of platform sharing I didn’t even know! Thank you man, you’re one of the best auto channels out there! Also, P.S. please bring back english subtitles! Thanks again:)
Even if you wanna go for rebadged a car go for one with better warranty and services.
Your videos are so informative. I watch them all. Keep up the good work!!
By doing this, Toyota's brand value has negatively affected.
yaris toh kabhi ayegi hi nhi
@@deecee7366yaris ho gyi phir etios ho gyi those were good budget friendly cars but you know ye sab auto makers Indian market ko for granted lete hain
Toyota brand image is only improving.. Bullshit
Sales have definitely improved. Brand value you can keep throwing gyaan on it.
I don't know why it has to be a see-swa strategy, where this strategy will help sales and new customers but it will down the image. They do have ALOT of cars that are suited for Indian markets. Toyota the world's biggest car co. we are talking here.
Instead of see-swa, a straight win win situation can be achieved. Like Mahindra did by focusing on SUV and not on mileage (India's top priority).
Anyways,
I/we are not the sellers. They might* know what they are doing.
*Older maruti cars were also jointly developed with other car manufacturers! For ex- SX4 also known as fiat sidici and Ritz was also known as splash developed with opel!*
SX4 was fab.
Somehow this strategy worked for us. My family bought a Kia Sonet bcoz every family member was reluctant to buy Hyundai Venue bcoz of it's looks and it was a Hyundai. But after seeing design of the Sonet with the customer service experience of Kia, everyone agreed to buy the Sonet in a heartbeat.
Iam a employee at Toyota Kirloskar Motors,in Bangalore and I agree with you. Yes they share the platforms .
Too good! This is the kind of automotive journalism India needs.
0:17 bro you missed volkswagen and skoda
Carens sharing the same platform as i10 is a real shocker!!
I had i10 and now carens and the space difference is Enormous! This is marvelous engineering in my opinion!
The perception of the Indian customer to etios and yaris is the cause. With high government taxes. Thats why I think maruti and Toyota collaborated. Yaris and etios are very practical cars and Toyota did a lot of stuff themselves before releasing these cars into the market. They would have spent millions to develop these cars .ive heard that the Japanese themselves came to India to study what the market wants. They did this in the US and thats how they became no.1 there. But in India the total opposite happened. The market backstabbed toyota. Toyota is also partly to blame because their advertising and designing department was behind compared to other manufacturers, but their goal was practicality over everything. In the end, the market has changed, emission norms, safety etc. and building cars more suitable for customers requests are slowly on the decline. So because of the maruti and Toyota partnership, toyota has two options...copy Maruti suzuki , or introduce their own models. But if they introduce their own model,maruti will copy sooner or later. It can cause toyota some losses. So i think they r trying to play safe. Observing the maruti model becoming a success, and then releasing their rebadged model in the market is safe for them
Really good video.
VW & Skoda give quality for the money spent in compare to any brands mentioned here
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Earlier when Honda CD 100 and Suzuki 2 stroke were introduced ...most of parts were sourced from same sources eg. Jumpers, cables, mudguards, stands etc. Now trend is active in cars segment .
I support this as this leads to low prices...
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Excellent insights bro. I’ve always wondered what’s going on with these copied cars. That too from reputed manufacturers
I completely agree, it has become very essential to focus on value and quality while considering options which rely on platform sharing. Imo, the image of toyota has fallen down. They are known for creating high quality stuff but rebadging suzuki cars has tarnished that USP.
Hyundai owns roughly 34% in Kia. Both are sister companies so the collaboration shouldn't come as a surprise. Same goes for VW and Skoda as VW Group wholly owns Skoda.
Nissan and Renault both are struggling brands in their respective home markets. So maybe that explains.
I think Toyota simply doesn't want to invest to make entry level market in India. Their most successful cars like Camry and RAV4 are staple cars in the US where they are sold in lacs annually. Camry is a taxi car in Dubai. While they would sell only in a few thousands in India even if they make it locally.
Btw RAV4 and Fortuner sell for roughly the same price in Dubai. And many people don't like Fortuner because it is body on frame and isn't as comfortable. But people are crazy behind Fortuner in India. So no wonder they dont see a point to bring RAV4 in India to compete against Tucson and Tiguan because they don't have a market in India for these cars.
Thank you for this video, definitely providing new knowledge to us users. One thing makes me think further is Hyundai's K1 platform on which cars like venue, i20 & carena are made...are Hyundai compromising on any factors like safety, by making bigger cars on platforms earlier used to make smaller cars? .Requesting to to make a deeper video on this highlighting the pros and cons of such cross usage of platforms. If any other reading material on this, kindly share any links on this as well.
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I think it's a good thing to have rebadged cars option for buyers because different companies have their own perks. For example, if you take Glanza and Baleno, the service of Toyota is much better than Suzuki same goes for Virtus and Slavia, where Volkswagen has better service and behavior than Skoda on the other hand Skoda has better resale than Volkswagen.
Haha, no. It seems you don't own any Toyota badged Maruti car then... Their service team doesn't care about anything else except their premium Fortuners.
1:28 Oh no!! OH YESS!! Suzuki Fortuner Hybrid
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Totally Agree.
Platform Sharing does indeed give a wider scope to the manufacturers to develop better features and aesthetics of the car.
Rebadging on the other hand gives less space for the creativity although being cost effective.
Toyota should bring in their RAV-4 to the Indian market and Hybrid to the fortuner.
Waiting to see what Suzuki would do with these 2 models.
There was a company called sipani motors in 90s that launched a car called Montana. This was a fiberglass bodied car which costed 10-20 K less than maruti 800. At that time, 10 thousand was a big number... Apart from that the usual drill of "swaraj or vocal for local" kind of stuff was spreading rapidly.
The fiberglass body was like well, it was hard, but if you met with an accident, you'd have to chip off the entire part!
Mechanical parts: just like Tata of today, the manufacturer imported different parts like engine, gearbox and electrical components were imported from different countries. Funny thing, they took turn signals, headlights and some other components from maruti Suzuki 😅 the result was that the engine was actually built by a British company originally for tractors, but was fit in this car, so the whole car shook like a vibrator. Also, it failed almost once in a month.
My father was too excited at the prospect of swaraj thing and bought this car over maruti 800 in 90s. Due to extreme failure rate of this car and non existent customer service, most owners filed a PIL and eventually the courts ordered 50% of the cost to be given back to the owners. Promptly, most people gave it back, but my father was on another level of desi stuff. He retained his car.
Even after the company closed, my father kept driving this contraption for 15 years!!!! Sipani motors had a garage where they kept spares and it was like a garden sale. You could purchase based on your need. He kept purchasing the parts and shelling money to local garages to get the car in running condition almost every month.
The car broke down numerous times on relatively longer trips like 150-200 kms around and had to be repaired and we had to halt in numerous unknown places just for the sake of the car.
I was terrified and anxious all the time abkut the car breaking down even as a child. After mechanical parts at sipani exhausted, the local mechanics suggested to install ambassador and fiat parts! 😬 It's only in mid 2000s that my father realized his mistake.
Even today he says never buy an unknown brand and especially if they are selling by exploiting your nationalistic emotions. He regrets and says he never experienced a single day of peace of mind ownership due to the horrible experience. He also says, only if he had purchased maruti 800 first hand which was just 10 K more, he'd have enjoyed the driving experience and did not have to travel by bus and auto inspite of owning a car.
It's very easy to invoke nationalistic emotions in anyone, but performance is like mother nature... She doesn't care if you are good or bad, Indian or American, she just is and will eradicate the weakest.
PS: eventually we bought a Maruti 800 in 2005 or something and this car was parked infront of the house, until the municipality ordered us the remove the car. My father sold it for 5000 to a local kabadi shop. Children would often use this car to play car-car. The car costed 1 lakh something!
Totally agree and brand like Toyota must do something about this because we want to buy a Toyota design international product not other brands products from their showrooms and these copy things run only for 1-2 year than people start buying other brands
Hyundai is the parent company of Kia, it's not a collaboration, it's just that hyundai does the same research for both and be efficient. Sane is the case for skoda where volkswagen is the parent company
Good content .. you should have explained the 4 different type of sharing between brands
4. Last minute logo swap with no changes aka maruti and toyota
3. Logo swap after car development for increased sales like renault / nissan from dacia duster
2. Joint development from start of product development like vw and skoda for vento or kushaq
1. Platform sharing with complete different product development teams who try using part from same bin wherever it suits them aka vw golf and audi A3.
To add to this there is difference between perceived quality between brands. Expected quality difference in india between Skoda and vw is minimal. People who are buying toyota and getting maruti are cheated big time.
That is what makes that ' sharing' bad for consumer and disastrous for company in long run
Thank you for this. I really hate the re-badging of cars
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Very well presented bro… you have spoken my mind… this is the reason I have started to hate Toyota and have decided not to ever buy their car…. Toyota and Honda are investing in developed markets but they don’t want to invest in India…
Toyota should bring Yaris cross, new gen corolla sedan instead of rebadging suzuki baleno and fronxx and vitara with cosmetic upgrades
Now that's all a dream.. this is working for them so we can expect only Maruti cars. Only expensive cars atleast have engine of Toyota like Innova or Fortuner
Nice Research keep it up bro
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Biturbo this was a very helpful video. Much thanks
I absolutely agree with the fact that Nissan's naturally aspirated engine is really underpowered...But man can you name me one suv that can be bought within 6 lakhs that is sexy and has a 4 star safety rating....I own a Nissan magnite Turbo CVT and its my daily driver...I absolutely love the performance it gives me with the Turbo and the CVT works wonders during overtaking...I absolutely agree that some good cars can be bought with same money as Nissan Magnite Turbo CVT...But on many of the cars i test drived have AMT or DCT mostly...When i went to test drive Nissan Magnite I absolutely fell in love with the performance. I found its features (Wireless Auto and carplay, And the features it gives in the Tech Package that i bought seperately really good...I have the 2021 Model...Service sometimes is a nightmare. But atlast after some fighting they get the things done...The new 2024 model have alot of new features at same price including Surround airbags.. One thing they can improve is the Service Network
Thanks for the English subtitles!
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Just imagine collaboration of Tata and Mahindra.
Have booked the Glanza this month, because I prefer it's design over Baleno which is subjective ofcourse also, I managed to get more than 1 lakhs of discount and free extended warranty for 5 years, which was the dealbreaker for me and surprisingly am getting Glanza at a much cheaper price than what the Nexa dealerships were providing for Baleno
Compared to Suzuki, Toyota is safe and reliable.
Although it has the same engine as Baleno, but here I will be getting Toyota 's service experience which is better compared to Maruti's
Bro your content is really awesome.. I started watching your videos since you appeared in my youtube feeds.
I expect you to make review videos of cars based on logic you always considered while making videos for us.
Here we face a lot more confusion while selecting cars. Other creators actually don't help us in decision making... Instead making us more confused
Great analysis always had a thought that some collab is there between those brands mentioned in the videos.
1st would VW/Skoda partnership because they have made a great comeback with the 2.0 strategy... People don't understand the R&D and engineering behind the German brands abd rgeir reliability and higher cost of ownership stories have forced people to go towards Koreans
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Very nice video... Sahi baat h consumer ka sabse bda nuksan toyota se ho rha h kyunki unki itni achi gadiya nhi aa rhi h india mein...
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One major for brands getting into "collaboration" mode is due to CAFE norms. For instance, Toyota needs to sell smaller cars with lower emissions to continue selling their huge diesel SUVs.
One more example of lifecycle expansion is Range Rover's omega arc platform Which is shared to harrier
Excellent work! Very insightful topic.
The rankings you gave actually make sense because:
1. Kia is a subsidiary of Hyundai.
2. Skoda is a subsidiary of VW.
3. Nissan & Renault, both have 15% ownership in each other's company.
4. Finally, the Suzuki & Toyota... The Japanese twins are just lazy.
(Though globally, Toyota has about 4.9% ownership in Suzuki & Suzuki has about 0.2% in Toyota, it's not exactly significant in our market)
You explained it very well brother, I bought car in March 24.. I wish I could have found you earlier, to get advice to buy best car in my range
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So true about Toyota & Suzuki venture. These brands are doing less for the peoples but actually giving lazy efforts for faster profits without substantial value to the public.
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Toyota Yaris and RAV-4 are amazing cars, like Yaris is a perfect family hatchback, and if they bring Yaris GR then it's going to be one of the best hot hatches (considering if Toyota manufactures them in India itself) and RAV-4 will be an amazing Creta Rival with AWD and more power.
I purchased a Glanza G-Hybrid in 2021 and a Baleno zeta was purchased in my family just a couple of months later. The difference in after sales and service experience is night and day for the past 3 years. Toyota technicians are somehow more superior when comes to fixing issues in a product made by Maruti itself. They're way better informed and sophisticated due to handling much more premium products for years. Plus the sheer numbers of sales hamper the service experience as Maruti service centers are almost always crowded and you find yourself to be lost in the crowd and unanswered. On top of that toyota offered superior warranty as standard 3Y/75K Km as compared to maruti 2Y/40K Km....That's just my perspective based on my personal experience. We should not just outright bash the company for rebranding but also look if there's a better deal for us in there.
Toyota's Urban Cruiser and Vitara Brezza also look the same
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As usual very informative videos...
Please make a video in the impact of new car makers coming to India like the EVR motors from Israel and the Vinfast from Vietnam.
Another video would be to make the future of hybrid cars, as you already made the video on the future of electric car.
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Tata-Mahindra needs to collab.
Tata's Design, Innovation, Strength.
Mahindra's Engine, Technology, Strength.
But It would end up with a product with the QC and AS&S of Tata and Engineering design flaws of Mahindra 🤣🤣. Let them fix their house in order first.
Both need to fix their own stuffs first.
Or they need to partner with brands who don't have mechanical fault like: Toyota, Suzuki, Mitshubishi, BMW.
You Know Force Moters? Study about them and their collaboration. The only Indian Brand which I know for their best collaboration and most trusted engine supplier for Audi and BMW.
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Well said and greatly explained sir
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