Rape culture panic is not the answer | FACTUAL FEMINIST
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- Sexual assault on campus is a serious problem-but, "rape culture" is not the answer. The Factual Feminist compares this panic to another nationwide hysteria based on faulty statistics, and how we can avoid making the same mistakes.
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Rape culture panic is not the answer
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Let's make the Factual Feminist the leader of feminism. That way REAL issues can be discussed and presented in a way that doesn't involve rhetorical screaming or spitting on men.
+The Abominable Snowman she pretty much is man, its actual feminism based on education and understanding. but the internet stands in the way of others understanding things. You wouldn't call alex jones the leader of politics.. But the word Feminist has been high jacked by social justice warriors who just had their first sociology lecture at college.
"It's a shame that you silence others"
"WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED"
lol wtf.
+PonzooonTheGreat what the fuck
I always knew they hear what they want to hear, but never expected to find such an obvious piece of evidence for this.
PonzooonTheGreat can you say hypocrisy
Trigger warnings on books? Those are universities. Students are supposed to be grown ups...
Guess what: If you really have such issues you can simply ask your fellow students or your professor/teacher to give you a brief synopsis or google that stuff on the internet.
There are two ways this proposal can turn out: You either print really vague stuff like "sexual content" which doesn't protect anyone from any stressor because it is not specific.
Or you write: "Contains horrifiying scenes of rape and sexual violence." Of course it will be the usual suspects who define such terms and will soon label media as "sexist" or "racist". After a while students who read books labelled as "misogynistic" or "containing racist language" could be dissuaded to read them at all because they do not want to appear to condone anything racist or sexist. In the end you have especially people who would most profit from reading not reading books because of peer pressure.
Or you have professors or students who can get bullied using the tactics of simply labelling their papers and books as "sexist" etc. (Which is already a common tactic to silence people. Ask the psychometricians community or ask Sandra Harding, who labelled Newton's Principia a "rape manual".)
PTSD is also something that you can't treat through avoidance. You will be triggered constantly because escpecially heavy violence and sexual violence are pretty prevalent in our media.
I didn't speak out against consideration and for taking pain lightly. But in my view this is an approach to silence dissenting voices and ways of expression in the name of political correctness which is far too high a price to please a tiny minority of oversensitive zealots who do not even have the illnesses they mention. I would not be "oppressed" by warning people but I would be oppressed if someone who doesn't like me labels my work or the works I reference in a derogatory way. That you can't see that even after listening to the video is disappointing.
"Supposed to be grown ups..."
Then you're a RAAAAPE APOLOGIIIIST
It's because those people use them as a shield. I don't live in the United States but in Germany and I have never, ever seen a homosexual person or an ethnic person speak out and a university. All the talk about racism and sexism, that is almost always in the form of accusation is done by white, middle class, heterosexual students who use the imagined plight of minorities in order to gain points with the social justice crowd. They don't care for justice, they don't care for values. They do this because they can instill guilt in other people and exploit the hell out of it. They are manipulators and they have to be stopped.
Regret is not rape! And If I get drunk and sleep with some random drunk guy, If I say he raped me because I was drunk, then that same goes as I raped him because he was drunk too? I've been saying the same things that were said in this video. Rape is a problem, but calling someone looking at you sexually, or bumping into you in a crowd rape is making actual rape look not as bad, and the poor women, and men who deal with actual rape are being lost amongst this lynch mob of idiots screaming "I've been raped too!!" It doesn't happen to everyone, so normalizing it is not fighting the issue. I'm sorry I am losing my temper this subject makes me very upset.
u r very logical
What if the man was not drunk?
Quinn Fletcher Well he shouldn't take advantage but it's technically not rape or his fault because she consented, and what if he didn't know she was drunk?
Oh thank god there are still women who use logic and understanding. Who see real issues for what they are and also take responsibility for their actions. You are amazing.
Don't forget about the NON-VERBAL cues. If I had a penny everytime a girl claimed she was raped because the guy didn't pay attention to her non-verbal cues while she was having sex with him, I'd be rich.
"We will not be silenced" says the angry mob. "Now shut up speaker."
Been watching these videos for like an hour straight, this woman knocks it out of the park every time.
liberandon got so much respect for her
+liberandon same for me, i can't get enough of her
I know! Shes amazing.
Christina Hoff Sommers does an awesome job because she gets facts from all sources and scrutinizes the studies.
+liberandon Haha, same here man. If all (or hell, even just a quarter) of modern feminists were like her, I'd be all about getting behind their cause.
A feminist that thinks that a, "Foolish drunken hookup" isn't rape. I love her.
how is it if the guy was drunk how is that any different
Getting a girl drunk + having "sex" with her = rape
Mirra Hays no
But that is not what we are talking about. If both are drunk it is NOT rape. But somehow modern "feminists" will still claim that it is, because the man is always at fault somehow. Regretting an act that you willingly partook in is not the same as being forced to do it.
Mirra Hays I'm trying to understand what you mean but except you roofie someone,how do you make them drink more than they are supposed to
When I was 14 I falsely accused someone of rape because of this ideology. Thank god it wasn't to authorities and I immediately came to my senses and straightened it out. But still, I will never forgive myself for it.
At least you came to your senses and got it stopped, a lot of people wouldn't.
You need to publisize this more. Tell the world what you were manipulated into doing. Feminism manipulated you into becoming a manipulator too. Its a poison ideology. Spread the word. Then you will find peace within yourself. Think of the lives you can save if you draw attention to false accusations, and the real reason why they happen... feminism.
Danny B But to this day I'm still so ashamed of what I did, I don't think I could ever bring myself to talk about it publicly
Shinisou Thats a shame. Hopefully one day you'll feel no shame. I don't hold it against you. Good people 'wake up.'' They smell the shit of third wave feminism and some have the courage to do something about it. I personally knew two girls who made false rape claims. It happens all the time these days. Men's Right's activists have known this stuff for a long time, the trouble is that nobody will stand up and say 'I made a false rape claim.' So its not like MRAs have any way to publisize it legitimately. I don't know what country you're in, but if you ever change your mind, contact someone called Karen Straughn. I'm sure she'd be interested in getting your story out there. It could be the single most important story to the MRA movement.
That is fascinating. I'm curious, what specifically motivated you? What happened when you straightened it out?
The splash made by that sexual assault scandal is still rippling today. I don't know how involved 'feminism' was in that, but it's damn near impossible for me to get a babysitting gig. Doesn't matter how many glowing references I have from various summer camps I've worked at, the babysitting or first aid courses I've taken, the background checks I've gotten, or the fact that the kids I have watched in the past (mostly younger cousins) invariably adore me. Doesn't matter that the parents I've spoken with after the fact are stunned at how positive an influence I am on their kids because I encourage reading, creative and imaginative play, physical activity and an interest in the natural world. As soon as they find out I'm male, they assume I'm a poor caretaker at best or a molester at worst, because how on Earth could a young man be good with kids? I have been told to my face on multiple occasions that they won't take me because I'm a guy. It's very annoying and really cuts into that extra pocket money I could be getting, never mind the blatant and overt sexism.
The Nymanator
Just goes to show that they are sexists who intentionally segregate genders.
+The Nymanator
As someone who is horrible with kids & would never consider childcare as a profession, be it part time or full time...that's something I never thought about. & it's kinda fucked up on their parts. & it's also perpetuating the antiquated notion that only women are fit to raise & care for children.
There is a victim mentality creating unnecessary drama and stereotypes and unfortunately a real people sometimes have to suffer from it, you're the case, but fortunately this is one of the better case in which it showed off
wow a feminist i dont completely disagree with? wtf?
lol yep, it's because she's an actual Feminist.
Step One: When a woman is discovered to have KNOWINGLY and VICIOUSLY falsely accused a man of rape, then she needs to be dealt with as seriously as genuine rapists. Why? Because she has now DESTROYED this man's life. He's going to have to utterly change his identity if he's to have any chance of living a normal life. She has essentially RAPED him in a sense. Yet these women are heralded as heroes to the cause and if they are punished, it's with a slap on the wrist. The girl who is carrying around her mattress knows she falsely accused that man of rape and yet is continuing with the charade for attention. She needs to be punished for her actions. When false accusers start facing harsher punishments for their lies then genuine victims of rape will have a safe place to go with their claims because they will be taken seriously. A man who has had his life ruined by such a woman should have legal recourse to charge her with defamation of character.
+Ceara Ivory And after Mattress girl graduated she decided to do a sex tape showing the world what date rape looked like. You won't find it on UA-cam because it's XXX or too pornographic. How many rape victims would want to do that? It absolutely hurt her credibility. It's like she loves attention.
And she does. That's the whole point in her charade. Attention.
+Arofed I agree that false rape is HORRIBLE. But please don't equate that to rape - a foreign object entering your body, being tortured and mutilated, unable to stop it because there are too many men holding you down. Yes it is absolutely horrible and there should be consequences for going to those lengths. As a survivor advocate, I take great offense when I come across someone who has been proven to have falsely accused someone of raping him/her. I'm very committed to not minimizing the experience of someone who has gone through this, but it is not the same as rape.
We aren't minimizing it Kristen. But a man who has been falsely accused will be tortured and mutilated at least emotionally by those around him. He will likely lose his job and his livelihood. He will lose everything even if he is found innocent and the woman who accused him will get off because the law will be too afraid that real victims will be too afraid to come forward. False rape accusers are as bad as rapists not just for that alone, but THEY marginalize and minimize what you went through. They don't CARE what you went through at all.
As a woman who has at different times been raped, falsely accused of rape and also asked which one she would prefer (while being held down and threatened with one if she did not accept the other)... I can tell you that the experience of dealing with a false allegation and the fallout afterwards was similar, and in some ways worse/more isolating than rape. I don't think we are going anywhere with this problem while we compete over who has it worst. We don't currently have a way forward, but I know it won't be that.
More real feminist need to start making videos
She's not a shrieking banshee who think's every man isn't trying to rape her nor does she hate herself for being white. She had no place among the modern 3rd wave feminists.
Excellent video. The statistic that 1 in 5 campus students have been sexually assaulted came from a questionnaire that ask "have you ever had sex when you didn't want to?"
If the student answered yes, this was classed by the feminist interviewers to be a 'sexual assault' and has hence resulted in massively skewed statistics on the matter
***** www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cdc-study-on-sexual-violence-in-the-us-overstates-the-problem/2012/01/25/gIQAHRKPWQ_story.html Is it this one?
So UNWANTED sexual contact? That doesn't necessarily sound like rape, but more to the point did the unwanted contact lead to more bad behavior? Of course women get touched, but it's one thing if the women are with someone they are talking, making eyes with, holding hands with, flirting with, kissing. As opposed to someone who just walked up on the street, and groped them.
Especially unexperienced young men don't really know when they should make pass, or how sexual that pass should be. BUt even that, most men know when to take no for answer. Men aren't mind readers, and so being in an environment for the first time where alcohol is available freely, where there is a large potential number of sexual partners (for both genders) and in general there is a great deal more contact between the genders than there ever was before, of course men are going to get it wrong a lot. So long as that doesn't lead a woman being assaulted or raped, or molested, or whatever escalation you want to put there, then it's really quite harmless.
I think that's true. Katie Roiphe's quote "to find wanted sexual attention you have to give and receive a certain amount of unwanted sexual attention" is right, or at least you have to risk it. If you manage to take those risks and always get it right you've had astoundingly good beginner's luck!!!
I think this is an area where men's voice just isn't heard. As the traditional instigator he has to take a risk; and once upon a time all he risked was rejection and embarassment - now he risks being labelled a creep, being accused of sexual harassment (there is a real thing that is sexual harassment. I know I've been on the receiving end of it. It is not someone showing you attention that you feel uncomfortable with; it is them knowing you feel uncomfortable and continuing to do it precisely because it gives them a feeling of power. It is not someone making a pass and the person on the receiving end simply feeling awkward - which is how I feel it's come to be used to mean), he can get a reputation as a pest, he can have some idiot doing a blog video about him like that poor guy who offered coffee to Rebecca Watson.
The stakes are too high, and guys feel scared - women don't understand that, they think "I'm dropping hints why isn't he making a move?", because we can't risk being wrong! Ironically the guys who wind up as wallflowers because they're trying to avoid being labelled as creeps, when they talk of their loneliness or frustration they get told they have a sense of entitlement! They do NOT have a sense of entitlement - they don't even feel entitled to express their feelings! Because feminists exclusively only give value to the female voice they think "well we don't want guys we don't like hitting on us" but they've never been put into the risk taking role.
Now, I've been hit on by someone I wasn't interested in. A few times; most of them gay men (two women - one who was deeply unattractive, and one who was drunk, married and quite vulgar, but... otherwise I was a little tempted - if I'd been a bit more desperate that week... er... got sidetracked.). It is awkward; and some of my responses have been no better than women's to be honest. I've made my excuses and fled (that was the second time a gay guy made a pass. The first time I innocently thought the guy had made a mistake - "I'm not a girl; you know that don't you?" I said... he wasn't obviously gay you see - just obviously a bit drunk), I've taken the phone number anyway and thrown it away, I've been plain rude. I think as I get older I get better. A guy put his hand on my knee in a pub when I was in my thirties; I moved it away and said "sorry, that ain't happening". I never hated on any of them. It made me a bit more forgiving of the stuff some girl's do because I get why they do it. But it's made me very intolerant of their shaming and complaining and dubbing people "creeps". FFS! He was a human being, he took a risk. Who actually is acting entitled now?!
Can I add though; I know when gay guys risk making an unwanted pass or unwanted proposition they risk having the crap beaten out of them. I have checked my privilege in that regard at least. :-) I do not envy them that aspect; but in safe environments like gay clubs they will at least know that the other guy (if he is gay) is going to at least understand because he has to take those self-same risks himself.
Unwanted sexual attention, as Mrmessage points out, doesn't mean rape, it means any form of unwanted sexual contact, like someone trying to kiss you or someone making a pass, or during a kiss the hand that goes somewhere new where you're not ready to be touched just yet. There is always the possibility of a rejection long before you get anywhere near actual sex. Your response I think is a knee-jerk one based on fear - let me put it this way - no one normal wants to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex with them - there is nothing rewarding or beneficial in that. Get this into your head - no one normal wants to rape anyone.
Secondly - do you think rape is accidental, or can be accidental? Because I'm inclined to think it can't be; for that reason - there are plenty of possibilities for rejection all the way up to the act itself, so that by the time you get anywhere near there communication will have been exchanged about the willingness of both participants.
Put those two facts together and you will realise that your fear is pretty ungrounded. The risks that are taken are taken in the hope that the desire is reciprocated; at any stage you can demonstrate the lack of reciprocation and unless that person is a sociopath that will be enough to put them off.
How do you deal with someone you are not interested in making a pass at you. Do you tell them "sorry, I think you've made a mistake" and firmly make your lack of interest clear or do you shame them and accuse them of sexual harassment? (and as I stated above; there is a real thing that is harassment and there are things that have been labelled as harassment that are merely flirting, including even innuendo or inviting someone to your room for coffee).
What if someone you are interested in makes the same pass? What if someone you are interested in won't make a pass because he's fearful he's going to have the same reaction you'd give the guy you weren't interested in? Think about that. How much do you want to deter the guy you're interested in? Because when you treat the people you're not interested in as scum for trying you're sending the message to all guys not to try that, and that means the guy you want to try that won't try that either. Does that make sense?
That was all Roiphe was saying.
"rape culture panic" may not be the answer, but it would make an awesome band-name/song-title.
Did you know that Rape Culture mostly exists in prison?
If a drunk woman hooks up with a drunk guy what's stopping her from being a rapist?
Under most countries laws to rape someone requires you to penetrate them. You could be charged with sexual assault though.
I don't know about US law but here a woman could drug, tie up and sodomize a man with a strap-on and would still not be a rapist as the law specifies rape as penetration by penis. Yep it's legally impossible for a woman to rape.
It would still be a "Serious Sexual Assault" though.
Guys can not want sex and still have erections, so penetration is not out. Bodily function doesn't always correlate with what you want. As for Sodomy it's legally called something different, but the charges and penalties are the same.
In fact I would say being raped for guys is horrifying because their bodies tend to do something they do not want it to do. I would assume this happens to some women as well but I've only heard that mention in male testimonials, but since some women question whether or not they wanted it afterwards I would assume a similar response happened to them. It's really sad.
I have done a little research since my post.
From UK government website defining rape:
"Section 1 provides that it is an offence for a person (A) to penetrate
with his penis the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B), either
intentionally or recklessly, without that person's consent, and without
any reasonable belief that B consents."
By definition in order to rape (under UK law) one must have a penis and use it to penetrate (it does later say the law does include a penis attached during gender reassignment),
By UK law if a woman forces sex on a man she can be charged with sexual assault, it's not rape because she didn't penetrate him with a penis... considering the two charges carry the same maximum penalty I'm just being pedantic here really.
That said I do agree with your original post's sentiment, it's infuriating that two people can get drunk and have sex but it's only ever the man being accused of taking advantage.
Ah sorry the sodomy being the same punishment as rape is USA or at least Utah. It came up in women's self defense.
In Australia it's becoming a law that any man accused of rape is assumed guilty until proven innocent, I can't believe anyone listens to these ludicrous statements and acts on them too.
The solution is easy, delete tumblr.
roflmao!
Or better yet, make different plate forms similar to Tumblr then have each plate form battle each other. It rids a problem and gives a show.
Today's rape culture panic in society today is like.....Admiral Satie aboard the Enterprise (please, someone get that reference)!
Drumhead is among the top 5 best TNG episodes imo.
*"Ooooh yes, but the road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think. Something is wrong here Mr Worf. I do not like what we've become!"*
You know what's sad? I didn't even have to look that up and i'm pretty sure that it's verbatim too. lol
"I WILL EXPOSE YOU!" - Admiral Satie.
I really hated that dress she wore. The one that looks like her head is coming out of a vagina.
kill3456 I loooooooove that quote so much.
Exquisite!
Mrs. Hoff Sommers, I do appreciate and admire your wonderful work.
My girlfriend opened up to me recently after over a year together about how her mum got her to falsely accuse a young boy of sexual touching when she was in primary school because she thought that she was being touched in school and refused her objections until she finally gave in and pointed at an innocent boy in her class.
To this day she warns her about rape from every male influence in her life from her brother, to uncles, her sisters husband etc as if any man given the chance is just waiting for an opportunity to rape a woman. Needless to say this has affected her greatly one example of this is that she felt it did not allow her to have a close relationship with her older brother because he was forced to avoid her after her mum accused him of inappropriately touching her when they were approximately 16 and 12 respectively, again despite her protestation that nothing of the sort had ever happened.
As a result she is envious of the relationship I have with my sister and wishes she could have had the same. I am at university and I sometimes get random calls from my sister just wanting to tell me about her day or ask about mine. My sister and I would never have been able to be close if I felt that I would be accused of something if I took an interest in her life. In fact my parents have asked me in the past to talk to my sister after she started acting weirdly because she finds it easier to talk to me. This proved important when she was getting bullied at school and could not open up to my parents about it no matter how much they asked.
This not only goes to show the problems with making women live in constant fear of abuse from their male counterparts, but also the benefits of advocating for healthy relationships between males and females in all settings in society. This does not even address the damage done to the boy in question who was reprimanded for an act he never committed.
I have to disagree with your implied assertion that "A foolish drunken hookup" cannot be a felony rape. If someone is intoxicated to the point where their ability to consent to sexual intercourse is impaired, then it does enter the realm of felony rape. We already live in a society where too much disinformation about rape is spread around.
So if both of the parties are drunk did they rape each other? What if the drunk woman is the sexual aggressor in the situation, is it then the man's responsibility to endure and deter her advances?
Leave it to the courts you dumb cow and find something worthwhile to do with your time.
a sober lady cornering and getting knocked up by a drunk rich kid or senior about to graduate to a 100,000 dollar job. Why isn't that considered part of "Rape Culture"? Poor lady gets a cute little baby and a rich husband for the next 20 or at least a cute baby and a paycheck. As a fine specimen, I'm very wary of being the target of such a scam. I almost don't want to study hard so I'm not on the radar of one of these creeps who can't help them selves, as I know that when I've had a few I'm a creep who couldn't help but play along. Mean submitting to the affections of a beautiful woman.
razorlikeblue
Well, for starters, it's not "Drunk" but "So impaired that you can't give consent." So, more accurately probably blackout drunk.
If both parties were that drunk, then yes, they did rape each other. It would be up to the prosecutor to determine how to proceed.
EDIT: I was incorrect about this above statement. I forgot that typically there is a rule regarding that you must be aware or should have been aware of the other party's intoxication. Obviously if both parties are too drunk to consent, then neither can be expected to be aware of the other party's inebriation. My intent was to draw a parallel to mutual child rape (Where two underage minors have consensual sex without a Romeo and Juliet Law in place) to show the technical operation, but I fucked it up. My bad. I am not going to remove the statement because I feel it's dishonest to cover up your fuck ups.
If the incapacitated drunk woman was the sexual aggressor, then yes you have a responsibility to at least not have sex with her. The same would apply if the genders were reversed.
Elamdri did you read this before you posted it? it would have been considerate if you had.
I tried to share this with my sister when we got into an argument about Donald Trump's remarks, she just batted it away and called me a sexist.
Gotta love that mob mentality
I once had a friend who thought it was hilarious to randomly scream rape whenever we would play in her pool...I always tried to insist to her that she shouldn't do that because it is an actual serious matter and I would also like to not have my face pounded in by her 6' 3" overprotective father.
+Crabmaster Holy crap, I full on feel sorry for you, that sounds scary.
That’s terrible to do to you and very disrespectful to women and girls who are actually terrified to say they were raped. I used to hate it when kids would do that.
1. We need to accept that false rape accusations exist and are not negligible.
2. We need to acknowledge that rape cannot be stopped by "telling men that rape is bad" or other such strategies which aim to create a culture which condemns rape. We already have a culture which condemns rape. There are biological reasons that men rape - it gives the man a chance to spread his genes without making efforts to gain a woman's approval or spending resources on the offspring. The only risk is if he gets caught and other people punish him. In some instances, it is cost-effective for men to rape and therefore, it happens. For women, on the other hand, it is very costly to be raped - they have to carry a child for nine months (and take care of it for years, if they want it to survive) and they have not had a chance to evaluate the genes of the father. We reduce the problem of rape by acknowledging the real reasons that people rape and then reduce the circumstances which lead to rape. I.e. we shift the focus from "rape culture" to something more effective.
I agree with you, we also need to teach society as a whole that false allegations of such a serious crime are neither acceptable or productive to society as a whole. Least of all we need to educate society that such allegations should not be used as a means of revenge or spite. Anyone found guilty of deliberately trying to ruin someones life is committing a selfish act which is a crime, it is not something society should simply brush off when the allegation is proven false, sadly nobody seems to want to address this selfish often vindictive crime, yet the very same society is more than willing to punish people for deformation of character, does nobody see that falsely accusing someone of rape is the worst deformation of character anyone can commit?
do you have solution to that problem ?
writerconsidered The best place to start I would hazard a guess would be with education and public awareness. The biggest issue will be addressing the fallacious figures being touted by various groups. All of the most touted figures spawned from using the sorely inaccurate and inherently bias Duluth model of survey questionnaires. We need to do some independent and meaningful surveys to get to the real figures for both genders, which in turn will help the genuine victims of this most heinous crime.
1. Independent none gender bias survey's, audited and monitored by several independent peer groups.
2. Systematic removal of the false figures from all academic studies, media, and political arenas, they should then be replaced with the genuine figures.
3. Education on the subject of self responsibility, while I agree everyone has a right to express themselves. There are common sense actions everyone can take to prevent crime of any type. E.g. Everyone locks their homes and car doors, we don't preach "don't teach me how to secure my home/car, teach the thieves not to steel" we are as a species still immature therefore we must accept the inevitable fact there are criminals out there and that prevention measures can and do help.
4. We need to address the ideological hatred being taught under the guise of "gender/female studies" whilst the study of such things is in principle not sexist, we all know if a degree course named male studies was proposed it would be shut down before it could even begin for being gender bias (sexist).
If gender/female studies is to continue, then it needs to teach real history warts and all, not the false patriarchy model it is currently preaching as fact. The blatantly fictitious nonsense can all soon be revealed by scratching the surface to reveal the truth, it is currently being taught by ideologues in the hope of generating gender hatred to support their ideological/political beliefs, education should remain a none gender bias system, sadly that is not the case.
Peace
"There are biological reasons that men rape - it gives the man a chance to spread his genes without making efforts to gain a woman's approval or spending resources on the offspring."
While this account sounds plausible based on purely biological factors, human beings are far more than their reproductive biology. They are, for example, social beings and this is as firmly grounded in their biology as their sex. And so what appears to be a good strategy when considering only a narrow set of factors, can turn out to be a very bad strategy when considering all factors.
What do we know about most male rapists? Are they somehow more natural and instinctive than the normal run of men? Nope - they are usually highly damaged and dysfunctional individuals. Rape is not a natural function in human beings - it is an expression of dysfunction.
Biological reductionism and determinism is very dangerous. Firstly, we are not simple automata driven by our biology - we are complex social beings who while certainly being influenced by our biology in some respects and to some degree, also have cognition and significant scope to determine who we are for ourselves. This latter aspect of what it is to be human is just as real and substantive as every other aspect. Put another way: it is important not to forget that you have a highly complex organ between your ears as well as the relatively simple one between your legs. Secondly, and even more importantly, neither you, nor anyone else, can say you understand how human beings work based on some insight you may have into their biology. By the time you strip out the complexity which your model requires, you no longer have a human being and so, in effect, your model cannot teach us anything useful about them.
An important part of the thinking that informs the people who create and believe this rape culture bullshit is precisely the same kind of thinking that you indulge in. They too believe that men naturally want to rape women and so they must be trained out of this behaviour beginning at a young age and society must devise more effective ways of controlling and managing their bestial natures. If what you say is true then they are perfectly correct. Personally I don't want to be subjected to these controls, and I do not want my son to be subjected to reconditioning, which would be the rational social response given your theory. You are not a feminist by any chance are you because you certainly sound like one?
Or perhaps you simply want women to accept being raped because, after all, it is only the natural expression of the male biological imperative. Well, good luck with getting women to accept that proposal!
aporiac Ok, lots of misunderstandings. I am not a biological determinist - I know that a person's action is a result of a combination of nature and nurture. My point is to include the biological factors - not to only use the biological factors. It is true that feminists often believe in some male instinct to rape, but they know too little about this to come up with an effective solution.
I don't believe that rape is an expression of dysfunction - I believe that it is a natural urge which arise under CERTAIN circumstances. These circumstances are probably often the same circumstances which "dysfunctional" individuals are in. If you have a functional social sphere (which condemns rape), resources and genes that are attractive to women (and thereby have access to sex with women) and realize that being caught raping someone (either by your social sphere or the legal system) would pose greater disadvantages than the pleasure you get from raping - then, you probably won't rape.
But if you are at the bottom of society, no women want to have sex with you, you have bad self-control, you have no social group - then rape might be your only chance to spread your genes (and therefore the urge to rape might arise).
My solution to the problem is not to train men from an early age (that approach will certainly not do anything at all to prevent rape). What I propose, is that we investigate under which circumstances rape occurs and then minimize these circumstances. For instance, if lack of a social group is a risk factor, then we could start projects which help people who are lonely to find friends. If late nights and people walking home from clubs are risk factors, then we could have more night buses.
Rape exist in other species as well and I think that this is a pretty good indication that it is natural. However, that it is natural is no excuse and doesn't mean that it is any better. I'm currently reading "A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion", by Thornhill and Palmer. I recommend it to anyone interested in this topic. They also argue that taking biology into consideration is crucial to finding an effective way to decrease rape.
This woman needs to preach on campuses.
+turity She does, but she gets boycotted by the radical feminists and SJWs.
+wReckLesss They get triggered by the thought that rapists rape because they are sociopaths, not because they are male.
+bike4aday That is an excellent point!
But don't put down all feminists for a few bad apples that make the rest of us look bad.
I recently spoke at a conference and one of the male members of the audience came up and spoke with me about how men are being vilified and left out of the anti-rape movement because of the numbers. I completely agree with both of you. Yes, the numbers show that a majority of rapists are in fact white heterosexual men, BUT there are not very many white heterosexual men who rape. Just like you say, we need to remember that the men who rape are the sociopaths. Hopefully men will become allies in the anti-sexual violence movement, not just to defend your reputations, but because violence happens to men too.
+Kristen Tebow It baffles me that not all feminists think like you. Or Christina, for that matter. I respect you for trying to defend feminism and to a certain extent, I do think there are some people keeping "actual feminism" alive. But I think people should focus more on the equal rights of everyone instead of just women.
"Feminism" is very heavily weighed towards the favor of women, and it should not be that way. I'm not even talking about men in particular, I'm talking about equality worldwide for every race, sex, faith, sexuality, etc. That's the fight that should be fought. Not manspreading or gamergate or MRA's or whatever the hell. Feminists these days (Not saying you are) are so confrontational and divisive, it needs to stop.
Exactly. The two genders are so equal in opportunity that we need to stop separating genders and get down to the real problems.
Like, let's stop harassment, for everyone. Some studies show that harassment happens more towards women than men, but it's bad to do it against men too, so why not stop both? Let's get more law enforcement. Let's make the justice system more efficient so that all victims can have their offenders brought to justice sooner, including rape victims. Like, why are we setting priorities based on the gender which is the majority of victims? I mean, 60% of violent crimes are men against other men. Yet, no Feminists gives a shit because 65% of harassment is towards women. Why does it even matter? Let's stop ALL crime. Separating every situation by gender is just rendering one gender not a victim, which is stupid.
Yeah great "The Great Gatsby" gets a trigger warning but when I complain about the adverts for a certain movie that has hate towards men in their video I got told by a bunch of women that it wasn't hate at all.
Which movie was that?
I missed it. Where were the facts? I just heard her summarize some events with conclusions where no data to support them was referenced.
Karl H she is using a case study to connect it to the evergrowing fear of a "rape culture" in society
+Thanks Chill. As a scientist I would think she could have figured out a way to work that in there without getting too dry. Lord knows bibliographies have no place in most speeches:-)
Karl H so you criticize her for being boring ? Ok. You do you bro
She has separate videos going over statistics like the "1 in 5 women at colleges are sexually assaulted." Just look at some of her other sexual assault myth videos for something more concrete. It seems that sometimes she goes over the same topic many times, but doesn't include the same information in all her videos as that would make them too long. I agree though that this video, and some of her others, can be a bit lacking.
+Nicholas Beck: Thanks for the info.
Why can't all feminist be like her?
they're just horrible people and just using feminism
I have been waiting for years for someone in the MRM (or at least someone advocating TRUE gender equality) to bring up the McMartin case, and it's parallels with modern day feminism.
Thank you.
Angry Harry did so years ago. That and all the satanic rituals crap.
Dave.
It's sad that this goes beyond just college campus. Even in the real world, this is still a problem. Guilty until proven innocent. Even if found not guilty in a court of law, the life of the accused will be ruined forever.
I am a man, and I have never been more afraid.
thanks for the history lesson no one will teach and the new helpful term "conspiracy feminist". You are the hero we need
I just don't get it why you keep referring to yourself as a feminist?
This is the same poisonous umbrella word that advocates laws you seem very much against.
Back in the 70's, an "old pervert" was not considered a big deal at all. It just brought chuckles to most people, but can you imagine the reaction for the same word today?
Another good video by Christina Hoff-Summers.
Hmmm there is no evidence that suggests people report drunk hookups as rape cases.
I watched her several other videos but she seems to present one sided evidence if she presents any.
She can have her own opinions but opinions are not facts and what she is doing in her videos seems a bit too misleading.
I felt like commenting on this video because historically and still to this day, allegations of rape have not been always taken seriously, and unlike other crime, sexual crime victims often were treated as if they were responsible for the crime.
Unfortunately this video seems to trivialize rape and shame rape victims by implying that some reported rape cases are just drunk hookups. Each reported case should be treated seriously and decisions should be made based on evidence.
This video seems to imply that "some reported rape cases are just drunk hookups so we don't necessarily have to take rape accusations seriously". This will only deter people from reporting crime when it happens.
Report rate for sexual crime is already low... why create/perpetuate another rape myth?
She actually said that some feminist try to impose the fact that if you had sexe when you were drunk, then its rape. She is actually saying that we should stop messing around with rape because its a serious crime that invole living people and not just a hastag on twitter.
And yeah, its pretty hard to understand what she want to say without have been on all this shit for weeks. I looked for thousand of video avout modern femism this month. I read about 1 or 2 Harry Potter of studies and stalk some feminist twitter and Tumblr. So all is clear for me.
Plus, can you develop the part when you say that some people say that it's the victim fault. (Not the women fault because there is a fair amount of men that have been raped. And if you think that when you're drunk and "unable to consent" is rape, so its a 50/50 amount of rape...)
+Nichatte i'll provide my source when i'll be on my pc. sorry.
Female Empowerment hmm there is no evidence that you present in this comment. You can have your opinions, but your opinions are not facts and what you say in this comment is a bit too misleading.
hello. The report rate of rape is around 4% in Japan (where I live). The data are from the government survey conducted every 3 yrs. The link to the site that provides results of the surverys in pdf files is here. www.gender.go.jp/policy/no_violence/e-vaw/chousa/h11_top.html
I'm afraid they are in Japanese but it's the one I know of off the top of my head.
Female Empowerment Believe me rape is taken seriously. I believe we should always have in mind the one with carges of rape is innocent till Its proven the other way around.Nowadays Its scary to feel some woman will say you are a sexual assaulter for any reason, they are normalizing rape and actually harming people who actually get raped.
I'd have no problem identifying myself as a feminist if all self-proclaimed feminists were like Factual Feminist. :-/
Yes, I finally found another feminist who's smart!!! I actually though smart feminists are extinct! Yay!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah there’s a lot the movement could do to grow.
This MRA supports this feminists message of reason.
Preach on, Based Mom!
If I were kicked out of college for a "supposed" sexual assault, I would file a class action lawsuit against the school.
do it.
Legalize prostitution. That's first.
Secondly, figure out what factors make people rape, and minimize those factors.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster Yes, because you always see 'sluts' being shunned by feminists... yeah. /s
BoardWheel you can't figure out what factors trigger it. It's a mental thing
*Solution*: Attendance at college pre-requires a certificate in Men's issues showing 100% appreciation of the dangers they are facing - ideally resulting in a man who vows to be MGTOW for the duration of his period of study. MAKE MEN SICK AND TIRED OF WOMEN and want to have nothing to do with them.
This would be a very effective solution to the rape crisis. You would think that feminist-controlled universities would like this idea because of that.
Trying to solve a sexual assault crime without professionals is the problem and one that started because colleges didn't want things to be reported and to look bad. Call police, let them deal with it. Actual rape culture does exist. Its what caused the "hands off" behavior for the girl at Steubenville, when she was being carried around and worse, and it's what allows young men who happen to be in sports to have their friends make death threats against possible victims, but all this other bs is dangerous; it makes consent harder to confirm and quantify. I didn't like this video because it focused too much on this off-topic event. We need to stay on-topic and get into the nuts and bolts of what is correct and incorrect about the rape culture claims.
"Rape culture is a concept of unknown origin and of uncertain definition; yet it has made its way into everyday vocabulary and is assumed to be commonly understood. The award-winning documentary film Rape Culture made by Margaret Lazarus in 1975 takes credit for first defining the concept."
Blackwell Encyclopaedia Of Sociology, 2007, Page 3791 - goo.gl/9sEkWi
Why is it that in academic institutions so few acadermic feminists of all grades from freeshman to proffesor fail to know even of the basic texts on a subject they lecture so many about?
+BIG BOSS Respectfully, definition of theory: an idea that is suggested to be true but that is not known or proven to be true.
When elected officials (without corruption or political correctness being involved) decide that bank robbery, rape or murder is a crime against society, the need to discuss theories is over.
There can be degrees, 1st, 2nd or 3rd degrees to show extent & intent of a crime & unfortunately feminists & mangina lawmakers have allowed all sexual crimes (misdemeanors & felonies) to be put into one pot & be called rape so feminists could use propaganda & tainted statistics to exploit & dehumanize all men as rapists for shock value.
IMO, we should be discussing lies by feminists, not theories about what causes rape. (real rape not perceived rape based on the definition of feminists)
Real rape is wrong, lies by feminists & promoted by a lying media to help the feminist gender bias hate of all men agenda is wrong---PERIOD.
I feel so sorry for Americans who are objectively intelligent and sure-minded. It must be like living in Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World."
So they want to have 'trigger warnings' before reading classic literature? HAHAHAHA! oh you poor poor wounded gazelles. I wonder how pathetic the world will be in 50 years when the matriarchy has really taken over.
Any man who does not accept the "rape Culture panic" is called a rape apologist.
When it comes to rape apologists, feminist win that prize. You never hear feminists
acknowledge the sexual and physical violence perpetrated by women. Incidents of
violent crime perpetrated by women is much closer to the rate of these crimes
perpetrated by men. Instead of leading by example (owning their responsibility)
and challenging men to do likewise, feminists use shame, and guilt dumped on all
men and meanwhile play innocent victims. That will ultimately be the downfall
of feminism.
Don Michael
MY ANSWER: the cultural discouragement of casual sex in favor of emotional intimacy will slow and stop rape by giving men due reverence for women and the sex act, and giving women the same reverence, causing them to abandon casual sex. After seeing this, reasonable men would stop trying to bed strange women, and all you would have left would be the real torturous maniacs. who you could then focus upon, and prosecute to the fullest.
Nice to see some of the comments here. Take a look at some of the stuff folks are writing under this video over at Rawstory.com - it's pretty despairing. We are definitely pretty deep in it again as far as the campuses go; don't know how far it's going to spread from there but if history is a teacher it's going to spread for sure. Every boy going off to school should lawyer up before he gets there; daycare workers should be video taping everything bearing in mind that even documented reality is no defense against these zealots of justice and love. Ms. Sommers, you ask what to do? I think you and Camille need to activate other feminist activists on campus; there 'must' be some kids out there who are horrified by this. What about their boyfriends? What about the men they care about? What about their love of literature and disgust for censorship in the name of "Trigger Warnings"? There must be 'some' who see this for what it is and are willing to speak out about it! That's all I can think of that can be effective; the rest of us are reduced to 'rape apologists' etc... (see Rawstory comments.) You know the media isn't going to present the other side of this horror until it's too late and then only reluctantly; in the daycare horror there was one, count em' 'one', writer who took these fanatics on through her column in the WA P; she was the one journalist who defended Kelly Michaels, one of the first victims of the New Age feminists who believed satanic cults were using kids in daycare centers for rituals; that journalists name was Dorothy Rabinowitz and her book "No Crueler Tyrannies" about that era is essential reading. Thanks for the video. I really hope this can be nipped in the bud but I've seen it before and I just don't think this train is stoppable once it's left the station unless some of it's more reluctant passengers realize they've been kidnapped and storm the engine.
Consenting sex is to rape the same as yes is to no. There are no blurred lines, no = rape, yes = consented sex. Yes I am over simplifying things according to many people but to those of us who care it is that simple. Now I will spend some time pointing fingers and explaining why I think as I do.
I am a home educator and remember my wife showing me a thread started by a mother who had an older son and younger daughter. She realised after giving her daughter a talk on how to avoid being raped that she had never talked to her son about avoiding committing it. As parents none of us like to think our wonderful baby boys could grow up and commit such an act but the reality is every man who does this was someone's baby once. My son has just started puberty so at the moment the idea of girls is still a bit repulsive, we have had serious discussions of what will happen during puberty and in a few years when he starts showing interest there will be conversations about sex and among them one about the impact of rape and ways to avoid committing it.
This is parental responsibility, by then my son will be at a school but I will not be expecting them to cover it to remove my responsibility. It will be a horrible conversation, both of us will hate it, but I would rather do something I hate than find out he has done something like this, knowing I did nothing to avoid it.
When to listen to 'no.' whenever it is said. There are too many reasons that control is required not to stop when told. this could be something as innocent as your partner needing the toilet to them realising this is a mistake, no matter how trivial there is never a time when 'too late' should overrule 'no' and yes I have lived by this.
I have had numerous occasions when I wasn't sure the other person was totally into the situation, when this has happened I have asked, most of the time the answer has been yes. The comparatively few occasions that the answer has been no have usually been followed by an apology and a polite exit by me when they have been embarrassed by the situation. Everyone makes mistakes and what seems like a good idea in a party environment can suddenly seem less so when it come time, man up and deal with it.
Ironically the fact I was so open to being told no when women were unsure meant I got a reputation for showing respect, which along with other things got me more sex, trustworthiness is an appealing trait.
Crying wolf. I would say that any woman crying rape when not victim to it should be locked up. This has happened in the UK when a women on stand confessed to lying about the rape charge and was sentenced to 3 months for contempt of court. One of the best judgements for women who have been genuinely raped I have seen so far. Unfortunately this was still less than the time than the man had spent in prison awaiting trial and would not undo the damage to his life but something had to be done and I'm glad the judge did it.
If you are a woman who has accused someone of sexual assault or rape without grounds you are amongst the worst scum on this earth, not quite as bad as a rapist but one of the reasons that many get away with it. I would never wish anyone to be raped or assaulted in anyway let alone sexually but it would be worth anyone considering crying wolf to remember the ending of the story so knowing that if they do this then get raped it will be the actions of people like them that make it so hard for rape victims to get any type of justice.
The numbers. I am not going to quote researched statistics here, there are plenty of them and if you need to be kept awake at night I would say they are better than caffeine.
I spent a lot of my youth being absurdly promiscuous, safely, but generally a disposable object used by many. My lifestyle and the fact I was rarely in one place for long meant this was not only easy but almost expected. For those considering this a boast, my average volume of sex was less then than it is now I am married, so trust me it isn't. Of the women I have known the volume I have encountered who have been raped and not reported the fact is mind-blowing. There will be some assuming this is purely because the sort of people who would be wanting to pick someone up for a one night stand would be 'asking for it' but in many cases rape was their first sexual experience and that is a horrible thing to learn.
When you are someone considered very disposable you also become a convenient counsellor too, after all you'll be gone in the morning and likely never seen again so there's no risk. As such I have been privy to some tales of woe that have made me sick and almost ashamed to be male on many occasions.
Conclusions
The first is something I hate. There will never be a day when we cure our species of the desire to rape 100%. There will always be someone who for whatever reason feels they should be able to take sex by force or even prefers to do so.
Having said this there are things I think we can do to minimise the occurrences.
Education. Predominantly from parents, ideally reinforced by peers, schools, etc. to ensure the act of rape is considered undesirable and recognised publicly as unacceptable instead of barely uttered and kept as something to figure out for ourselves.
Understand all sides. There are things both sides can do to avoid rape, I am not talking about women needing to wear potato sacks from head to toe, neither side considering the concept that they might want to have sex and letting the other know if they are a bit uncertain. I mean realising that desires can change and being prepared for this, be open with each other, so if there is uncertainty on one side the other can have a cold shower running.
Understanding the value of honesty. If someone has hurt you emotionally or you simply get carried away in a conversation and accuse someone of something they didn't do, admit it immediately. Every person who accuses falsely makes it harder for genuine victims, and the next one could be you.
As the lady says panic is not the answer. Presumed guilty is a very human style of thinking and it is too often wrong. As someone who considers sexual abuse of any kind to be the very worst of crimes I still say that due process has to be the way. There will be people wrongfully convicted, and others who get away with it, there is no solution that will avoid this. Like it or not, for most it's not, there isn't a perfect solution but mob rule has to be the furthest from it.
Finally. Sorry this has become a major rant. If anyone gets this far thank you for your patience.
This woman is an absolute genius and deserves all of my respect. And you wanna know why? Because she talks about the truth and is an honest person. I dont care if you are a man or a woman, if you´re talking Bullshit I´m gonna be pissed. I dont care ifyou´re a man or a woman if you´re talking honest truth I´m gonna admire you. End of story.
The big problem is see with the "rape culture" view point is that assumes that people won't do something they know to be wrong unless society convinces them otherwise. There are lots of people that do things they know to be wrong. Criminals do exist.
Well this is still a problem and its going so far that people lose thier jobs and reputation at the accusation of rape. So for the moment its quite bad. One way it can be solved is to punish fake reports about it. (and thats when its proven to be a lie.) And then have the punishment reflect the damage done. If the target loses thier job well then the accuser will have to make sure that the person gets the pay they lost untill they can get a similar pay again. And if its so bad that the persons life is in ruins. Then a harsher sentence. To put it simple make it a crime to cry wolf when there are none.
i would like you to talk about the case of Brock Turner, analyse the conduct of him, the words and acts of the judge. tell us there is nothing wrong with this case, and also tell us that is a unique case.
She should tell that to the guy that raped me in college. The rape I never reported because I'm in the south where rape is not really considered a crime because women ask for it.
A good start would be to remove all radical feminists from teaching positions, and let sanity take the lead.
Why not just let everyone in America or everywhere what counts as child molestation and rape and what does not
weird...a feminist that kept the comments section open. im literally in shock.
If a crime occurs, then the police need to be involved. I think the biggest problem is that the colleges are judge, jury and expeller. That, and of course the vague definition of what constitutes sexual assault, including consensual drunk hook ups.
A kangaroo court run by legally unqualified feminists for one of the most serious crimes there is. It's madness and that's what the media should be focusing on.
Those kinds of liberal activists should grow up
Hey Christina, did you see this month's issue of TIME? College rape is the front page article, touting the 1 in 5 stat, yet, oddly enough, acknowledges in the same article, that this is breeding hysteria and is a danger to young boys on university. I wonder if that latter part is a sign of the times.
decrying things that are not rape as rape culture lessens the word rape.
it upsets me that it took me this long to find a find a feminist who thinks clearly.
All of the comments below have convinced me that overdrinking should be a criminal offense.
This hits the nail on the head. Many of these new University policies will do little to actually prevent violence, which is unfortunate.
It’s time for a fucking crusade
This is the only sensible feminist I´ve come across so far.
You'll probably also like Cathy Young, who according to wiki writes about "rape related dogma."
cchris874
Thanks! I need to check her out. I don´t know her yet.
Paglia too, but one always has to take her with a grain of salt (like "I would stab her" if she were in a mans shoes and the girlfriend came to his house and then said "no, I don't want sex.") Whereas Cathy Young is as coolheaded as they come.
This is why teenagers and young adults shouldn't get involved in political issues.
Rape is a crime - not a culture.
She puts my mind at ease
I say we start beating our children again. I was raised with one rule, don't do stupid stuff. growing up my mother and father also realized laws in society like how a minor can drink with a parents consent. I hated the taste of beer at 12. i learned quick about consequence of action and saw around me what people became without it. I am far from a model human being, but i'd most definitely be much more of an asshole without a couple whacks from a spoon for dissing my mother (and worse offenses). Also note, there is a vast difference between beating and hitting. beating is earned by the child through an act voted intolerable by the parents, and is a legal action. hitting is dished out for no reason and s child abuse. so don't tell kids that if their parents are mean to them or hit them that it's child abuse, and don't always take the side of a child whom broke a vase and didn't realize why he/she got a belt across their backside.
um no.
I used to think that too, but more evidence piles up against beating a child for several reasons. It will work just on those who care, it does not seem to work on those who will just develop "tolerance" to the beating.
José Cartín Yeah i know, but what else can you do that they wont see coming and get used to? Take their phone? Well with my mom at least its a convenience for her for her children to have phones.
"don't always take the side of a child whom broke a vase and didn't realize why he/she got a belt across their backside." Wait so we beat kids for accidental things?
Sorry, all beating does is tell kids its ok to beat. Hitting children should be highly limited to extrordinary circumstances. Like for instance your child is biting your arm, you can whack them on the head with a soft rubber dinosaur (this actually happened to me and by bite I mean leave bloody marks ha ha).
Thats a selfdefence/shock action with a fairly balanced response (don't worry, had this confirmed by a very reliable source) .
Child knock over vase? make them sweep it up provided they have adequete coordination to do it without hurting themselves on the broken parts. They learn to clean up mistakes rather than learn that in certain situations its perfectly ok to hit people and those situations include accidents and very small things so they end up reacting with violence to the smallest thing. Instead they start to learn to take responsibility for their actions before accidents occur but also learn what to do when the accident is unavoidable.
Why do you need to do stuff thats surprising to get the kid to learn. repetition of boundries is what gets them to learn.
I am a university student, and I respectfully disagree with you. There is a serious moral flaw in many male students who get a girl as drunk as they can to have sex with them. THIS IS RAPE If you want to any frat you would see this happening. This is part of the culture and it needs to be changed.
Her opening 8 words clearly acknowledges that kind of thing is a genuine problem. The rest of her video is about the way men who behave properly are being hurt.
Rapes are performed by a small group of repeat offenders. Target them instead of trying to define all drunken sex into rape.
I was commenting on the fact that she says there is not a rape culture.
bobisgo911 You can call the methods of rapists "a culture". Getting a girl drunk, raping her and getting her not to file charges because "it was all a misunderstanding" works so well that it is a repeated pattern. But it is not a culture in the sense that the majority of men does it, wants to do it or condones it, or that the authorities turn a blind eye and basically no one cares. You know, like rape culture works in American prisons.
But it is a culture in the sense that men (and women) see individuals at partying getting another person drunk in order to have sex with them, and do nothing about it, because it is considered normal. This also is not a once in awhile occurrence, i have personally seen it happening all to often. Also tragically I have seen girls go along with it because they think it is normal to have a drunken sexual experience, because society has taught them that it is okay. And that needs to really change.
I think rape culture is way more than you describe in your video. I have been molested by strangers several times in my life, most of the times was when I was younger than 12. Guys have touched me inappropriatly in public transport a lot. Men would try to get me into their car or ask me to go home with them. All women I have spoke with had similar experiences, most of the men I talk with were shocked because they have not had such experiences. This is an issue and it needs to be adressed.
ZDProletariat
Rape culture normalizes the use of peoples bodys against their will. I think there is a connection between people touching young girls inappropriately against their will and rape. I didn't even talk about the cat calls since thats pretty far fetched but you must see the connection here right?
"All women I have spoke with had similar experiences"
Who is... "all women"?
Honey Bear Where have you ever seen it being said that it is normal for a girl to be molested? I'm not sure where you live, apparently Rapeville, but I've never heard of that.
Thats funny because most men I spoke with (after explaining what sexual assault is) realized that they and most of their fellow men have been sexually assaulted almost their entire lives, by women.
+Haaklong Nguyệt Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree with you about people paying attention to the past. Prior to 1984 there were plenty of printed articles saying that women got custody 97% of the time. Usually, based on the long time legal doctrine of 'small children need their mothers.'
The male sheople started to protest & circa 1984 most states went over to *JOINT CUSTODY* which gives primary custody to one parent. (95% of the time that is the female, 3% of the time males get custody because a woman doesn't ask for it, 2% of the time it's *SHARED CUSTODY* which is completely different than joint custody)
BTW, in 2005 the N.O.W. lobbied & defeated *SHARED CUSTODY* --so much for your people learn from the past argument)
In 1989 the US Supreme Court ruled that the doctrine of 'small children need their mother' was unconstitutional---the lower courts circumvented that ruling by invoking the doctrine of 'the best interest of the child.'
But, still to this day women get child custody 95% of the time for no other reason than they *SIT DOWN WHEN THEY PEE.*
I just gave you three examples of how people don't learn from their mistakes & can be easily manipulated by misleading words & false impressions.
+sorsocksfake You said>"The main solution I'd hope is a degree of skepticism, along with giving good information and clear rebuttals whenever one of these scares pops up."
WHERE are these OPEN FORUMS that you mentioned?
I've made 10 comments on this video & I've given statistics, links & factoids---do you see any thumbs up or anything that would indicate that people appreciate the effort that went into the research to give clear rebuttals???
A. Guys 16 to 25 don't visit sites like this (no help there) & think they are 10 feet tall & bulletproof when it comes to feminist accusations of rape, etc.
B. Guys that work 50 hours per week to support a family don't have time to get involved (hear the slanderous & dehumanizing remarks put out by feminists) or respond to them
C. Most women who know these fabrications by feminists are lies keep quiet because they enjoy the benefits that radical feminists have given them---I'm referring to the UPPER HAND in divorce, child custody, etc. etc.---ask me if you want to know more about the etc.---you won't.)
D. Guys that are white knights don't understand that when feminists say all men rape---they mean ALL MEN
E. The men who do speak out against fabricated statistics & hate speech by feminists will be called misogynists---if they state they are men's rights activists they will be demonized even more---men drool, feminists rule is the norm in this gynocentric society
F. Politicians & prosecutors love to pass or enforce misandric laws because it brings in more money & votes for their re-election campaigns
A healthy degree of skepticism is good but it doesn't stop the juggernaut known as feminism (it's like putting a six year old boy in the ring against a Mike Tyson)
My ten-plus comments (which few will read) will not sway anybody unless they are very skeptical to begin with & they haven't already been conned by feminist (you know, the ones who say they do everything in the name of equality) ideology. Few people want to speak their mind against political correctness as there is a certain amount of protection in being within the herd & the herd mentality. Feminism & most ism's would not work with out the herd mentality. (also known as bias, prejudices, bigotry, propaganda)
Ignoring feminism is easy, (that's why they win) fighting feminism is very hard & takes time & resources---something that men can't or won't give at this time.
+SmultronsyltNatha Any book that promotes the idea that rape is a biological response that men can't refrain from is to fucking radical for me & I'm considered radical in my circles.
You said>" In some instances, it is cost-effective for men to rape and therefore, it happens."
It is *NEVER* cost effective, legal or proper to condone real rape---it is *PROPER* to *CHASTISE* & point out that feminists lie about rape statistics & throw every example of crude behavior, sexual innuendo & mental or physical molestation into the same category as physical rape.
Don't care about your book or theories & I noticed that you did not answer the questions that I put to you in the reply that I made to you. Any comment or criticism is *relevant* if it is backed up with logical inquiry even when it is laced with sarcasm.
There is good reason the book is criticized by social scientists & myself---can't imagine why a feminist would criticize a book that confirms the vitriolic hatred that they preach---that all men are rapists.
I'm just glad online colleges were a thing in time for me. Honestly, I'd be a little afraid to go to college in a city. I'm still a little worried about transferring to on-campus class rooms this coming semester. What? Did you think I was a woman for a second? No, no. I'm afraid to attend because I'm a male. I'm not just a male, I'm wide and tall with a scary face. I don't like that it's the case, but it is. I just am naturally scary looking and it doesn't match my nature at all. However, because I look scary looking, I'm afraid to ever enter in a situation where I could be labelled as a criminal because it'd be a surefire conviction. A woman claims I raped her? How do I disprove that? I'm big. I'm bulky. I'm scary. She doesn't have to prove anything. She could still be a virgin, same as me, and there's a likelihood I'll be found guilty. What if someone were to assault me and claim that I started it and they acted in self defense? I'd have to find away to defend myself and keep from hurting them at the same time so that it couldn't possibly even look like I started anything. It's paranoia, but our society's giving my paranoia more and more standing. So, I'll have to make sure I stay in sight of cameras for as long as I can and make sure I do whatever I can to offset my appearance.
+aporiac You said>" but I worry about people who are basically on the same side adopting hostile or scathing postures towards each other."
Is that directed at me?
I don't believe in sugar free lite MRAs or moderate MRAs. Lukewarm water does not appeal to my tastes.
Nietzsche said, If you argue a radical argument with a moderate argument, you will lose every time.
I might come across strong but I don't think I've been hostile or scathing to any person on this site---I have been hostile & scathing toward the hateful gender bigoted ideology of feminism by trying to post relevant statistics & factoids about upcoming proposed laws & pointing out the prejudices of feminist laws already passed.
Please show me where I was hostile or scathing to any person I commented to on this site so as I might learn for future reference.
Lady you are fantastic. And your words are medicine for a world and country that's in less-than-stellar health. Thank you. A college student myself, this problem deeply affects my potential life for the next few years.
It is great when you've got a new pool of knowledge to draw from, and these videos certainly fulfill that for me. Maybe that will help, should I encounter a proponent of the idea of "rape culture."
Can you provide some concise talking points about this issue? I think the first step is for everyday people to engage in open and honest discussion about the topic when it comes up in conversation.
I think there are two big challenges to overcome in an emotionally charged discussion like this. One is to assure others that your intent is the betterment of society and increased safety for everyone regardless of their group (gender, race, etc.). The second is to convince them that certain sources, probably ones that they trust, are providing them with misinformation, even if they are well-meaning.
Well IRL I've yet to find a solution, but on the internet:
1) Create blacklist of terms ("rape culture", "patriarchy" etc)
2) Talking about those with a straight face = 1 "strike"; 3 strikes -> add to ignore list
3) ???
4) Profit!
Check out Yuri Bezmenov's interview with G. Edward Griffin, particularly the bit about ideological subversion. This is clearly the result.
I suggest watching Jonathan Taylor's videos from "A Voice for Male Students" and the blog Community of the Wrongly Accusted. Rape is a serious crime, BUT mistreating the ones accusted(whether they are innocent or guilty will lead to more problems coming up. Potential legal problems. I suggest you go and watch statistics from the police of the county(USA/Canada) or the national police and national statistics about it. That should give a better picture, and thridly: just accept THE FACTS and look at it from an unbiased perspective. Otherwise you could be accusted of discrimination and sexism as I guess is going on right now.
+aporiac Hear my knuckles rapping on the table, that was one hell of a reply by you to SmultronsyltNatha. One of the best I've ever seen, read or posted & believe me when I tell you I've seen, read & posted more than most.
Until proven false accusation carries a mandatory sentence, false accusation is a cheap weapon.
Similarly, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law is a CIVIL RIGHT.
For decades now, all these news organizations care about is getting eyeballs on the screen, *NOT* to see the news, but to see their sponsor's commercials. *THAT* is all they've ever cared about. And in today's 24-hour news cycle, with multitudes of 24-hour news channels (even local ones) the rush to get the viewers watching THEIR show and not their competitor's makes the problem so much worse.
I think this is what happens when you try to treat a social science as a deconstructionist philosophical discipline. Literally anything goes, no matter how tenuous the argument, and as we can see here, it spells potentially dangerous consequences for concrete reality. At least that's what I see; am I wrong in assuming that WGS is a social science? I would assume so given that students and faculty of the field are so enthusiastic about social change/relations. It sure the hell isn't an art. Anyway, I believe that in light of this rampant spread of misinformation, WGS departments need to be massively overhauled if they want to keep any shred of academic integrity and dignity intact. For starters, get rid of crap textbooks. Next, why the hell is this social science not requiring its students to study and engage in the process of field research?! At my school, we offer an undergraduate degree in WGS, but nowhere in the curriculum do they require any foundational training in applied statistics, research methods, ethical research, ethics, psychology/sociology/anthropology, biology, or law. It's just WGS-prefixed classes that they need to get credit in. For touting to be an "intersectional," interdisciplinary field of study, I don't see any of that going on. And no, a WGS-prefixed course that analyzes science or some other field is NOT the same as engaging with the other field directly. If you're going to analyze something on this level of education, you need to know your subject through and through. Seriously, people, when did it become so popular to shit on the achievements of the Enlightenment? Fear will get us NOWHERE; only the honest pursuit of truth and education will.
I also struggle with the tendency to not acknowledge that an accusation of rape, assault, or harassment is only an allegation until proven in court. It seems that as soon as someone is accused, their guilt is instantly assumed, and I feel like that is a result of the rape culture. But the loss of "innocent until proven guilty" is a serious loss for all ... male and female alike. One just has to look at the Canadian cases of Gomeshi (at CBC) and the two Liberal MPs who were removed from caucus because of unproven allegation. The employers take punitive action as though guilt is confirmed by a court of law and that assumed-guilt by their employers could have massive ramifications on the future of their careers and relationships .... and in these cases, there is no police investigation even underway! I understand that we don't want to re-victimize the victims of rape and such .... but do we want to CREATE victims out of men who are falsely accused and never given a chance to even prove their innocence?! And one should also keep in mind that rape/assault/sexual-harassment victims are actually "alleged-victims" (though we NEVER see that term in any news reports) until a court of law determines the guilt of the accused. Our world has become so backwards!
The start of this video is so much like 'The wave" Aka "Die welle" , both the 1981 and 2008 version.
Next these feminists are going to prove 'Das experiment' was right.
Freedom of the Press is an essential feature of a democracy, of course - bu there's one thing missing. We have GOT to find a way to ensure that the News isn't tied to advertising in any way - far too often, society undergoes an almost hysterical response to shocking, but nonetheless extremely, statistically insignificant occurrences. The News, then, inevitably, alters the tenor of its reporting to suit a particular audience - even as it retains its claim to being unbiased.
the worst enemy of a rape victim, is someone who files false charges. how can a victim expect the police to do everything in their power to get her justice, if they have to assume that she may be lying about the whole thing? people accused of rape are shunned by society, and even if their accuser confesses to making it up, nothing is done to restore their image to the public. NOT TO MENTION, the false accusers get a slap on the wrist for wasting taxpayers resources. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE than those that falsely accuse rape should serve the same sentence as a rapist would.
"The Factual Feminist"...... uhm hate to break it to you but I, as a third wave feminist, have never heard of you. And the fact that you're actually downplaying the victimization of MALE and female rape and sexual assault victims makes me wonder how much you were paid to claim to be a feminist. Especially since you spend your time discrediting feminism and feminists by directed name, yet do not put forth ideologies or your own heroines for the movement.
I also hate to break it to you, but the methodologies of censoring rape and sexual assault victims by the colligaite system are documented and as disgusting as the military's lack of appropriate response---but I guess that's all in our heads too.
To American Enterprise Institute as a college student, national honors (Phi Theta Kappa presently) student, feminist, activist, woman, rape survivor and all around geek goddess, I can confidently say that your money is much better spent on 'net porn than it was on this.
3:00 - Christina, you link the abuse therapists in the McMartin preschool case to conspiracy feminists Catherine Mackinnon and Gloria Steinem. Can you link to evidence of this? --The only flaw in your otherwise excellent series is your failure to support these kinds of assertions. Citations would help The Factual Feminist's credibility enormously, and would go a long way towards helping others build on your work and your claims. Thanks in advance.
I believe everything you said
1. Issue is addressed
2. Why you disagree
3. Supported evidence
4. Open for feedback
As someone who believes in reason, I would hope the best solution is to tear apart the "1 in 5" statistic with the actual data, and show how the "1 in 5" is constructed. And to do so in such public forums that this will become widely known.
Once people realize how that statistic is bogus, they'll have an "alarm" ringing the moment someone quotes that number, and will be more skeptical about what else that person has to say.
Such lies, especially regarding a subject of rape, can easily unleash a genuine backlash. While it may end up as "crying wolf" in a bad sense, mostly it simply awakens a proper sense of skepticism.
However I also recognize that this is simply how my mind works. Most people want to believe this kind of nonsense. Because it's easier to blame the devil ("rape culture", "patriarchy") than to face reality. Same as whenever you say "do X to limit your risk of being raped". It's the herd mind, the wish to believe in demons, the wish never to be held responsible, the mob mentality.
That mentality is the real problem. The main solution I'd hope is a degree of skepticism, along with giving good information and clear rebuttals whenever one of these scares pops up. But again, I can't say whether that works for most people.
To stop rape culture I think the only good thing is great writer making a movie to show how misinformed everybody is and the problems with a mob-mentality. Like The Crucible, or that foreign film about the daycare scare, The Hunt
"We're not facing anything like the Salem witch trials or the McCarthy inquisition."
Not yet.
Ah man, my head! Thundering headaches!
You know those mornings when you've woken up still drunk from the night before and you've forgotten why that girl you met at some bar last night that's tied up downstairs in your basement isn't dead already. Shall I force feed her cornflakes or piping hot oatmeal? Or am I being too friendly..?
We should start holding campaigns by Ipad where we deliver messages directly to one another and we have to read the speech or have a combination of headphones and microphones to where everyone within the conversation can hear what you say. you can talk into the microphone and hear what each person has to say. This way you can literally drown out any outside noise. If anyone destroys the equipment they are forced to pay for it. It doesn't even have to be that expensive, just cheap headphone/microphone combinations that receives and transfer information through each one. If they don't make them I would suggest investing in it, because that would be a good investment if this is the result of every campaign you're going to hold.
I have a saying. If you don’t trust my intentions, I don’t trust your judgment. When women are taught to be scared and uncertain, requiring that people rush to the rescue without evidence, and men are falsely accused, I can’t help but to think that the only survival technique men have left is to abruptly treat women with the same distrust and suspicion. Feminism will kill the same progress it has worked so hard to build for a century. And we may regretfully return to a state where women are made second class citizens. No voting rites. Less employment opportunities. Marraige becomes a requirement for survival. And wives will have to submit to husbands. All because of shit like this.