MF#9 part 2 behringer X32 mixer teardown an in-depth look inside
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- a more in-depth look and teardown inside the Behringer X32 mixer. this is the second teardown of the mixer with a bit more detail.
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I am just randomly watching this for something to do whilst sat in my digger but i am so pleased because i printed off the pdf and put all the pages in one of them binders which neatly pushes underneath the desk thus blocking the vent for the fan which i wasnt aware of , pdf now has a new home thanks fella.
I'm glad you put this up and I found it. We use a S16 connected to our X32 with a 175 foot CAT5e run for the AES50 circuit strung up kind of high overhead in the ceiling. A really bad electrical storm produced enough EMI over the roof of our building and blew out some of the AES50 circuits which are actually pretty sensitive to that. My X32 is out of warranty and I can't deal with the time and expense to ship it out for repairs. I found a source for a new replacement main PCB and watching this video gave me the comfort level I needed to dig in and swap out the board. Thank you so much!
My X32 is working great but if I ever have to fix it now I'm a little less frightened thanks Markus.
a brave and knowledgeable man with a good memory. Cool video.
Wow, what a great video. It was good to see you reinforce some of my own practices, when doing repairs, and to give me ideas for the future. Ive taken apart a Pro2 now and can say, despite it's much higher price tag, it is MUCH easier to disassemble than the X32. I look forward to what you do next. Maybe an M32 or Pro1. Thanks again!
Wow this video was so interesting. It is obvious that you have many years of experience and a lot of knowledge about electronics. What I really liked is your personality. Very very likeable person. Thanks for making this video.
~Vince
Thankyou very much Vince. I feel so nervous in front of the camera and many videos I have scrapped and deleted in the past thinking what a fool I looked and that nobody would want to see them anyway. Im slowly getting more confidence and your comment just gave me more. Best wishes from Markus
Faders are always the weak point of any console. And it is just good practice to have spares available. But our X32 is still going great after this many years. One fader has started to get a little sticky from some construction dust, but that is about it.
Thank you for taking the guess work out for me should the time arise when I need to open up our X32. Fader change maybe???
Thanks for the video. Very informative and was looking to get one of these or a presonus mixer. This had very detailed information about this mixer and each part. I have done some soldering, but never removed a part from a PC board and replace and resolder it back. Would like to see a demo of this. So many things are now stamped right in the board. They make it so you need to replace the whole board. The solder joints are so small. Possibly replace a xlr/ 1/4 combo plug on a board would be great. Seems simple just have never seen it or point me to a vid that shows such example.
Thanks
Rob
Thanks for this video! I do a bit of electronics tinkering myself.. have an X32 compact and was just curious how to take it apart proper in case I ever have to replace a ribbon cable / etc... without trailblazing and possibly bricking it by doing something stupid. Cheers!
Great Video, Thank you for taking the tie to do it.
Great in depth review!
... Jean Michel Jarre and a DeLorean DMC-12 !!!
Is it possible that the air gap is by design? Perhaps to avoid having to dedicate a second fan to cooling small but non-negligible heat from the DSPs or radiated by the power supply enclosure?
Your a braver man than me Markus,
Hi Markus. I have the same desk. I have a problem that the mixed bus xlr outputs 1 to 8 are dead. I can send signals to them and I can see the signals. If I solo them I can hear the signals but I get no signals out of the physical outputs. I have checked the routing and it is definitely correct. Unfortunately I am in Africa and the nearest agent is 2000 km away. Any ideas or suggestions. Maybe I should just get them to send me another output board and swap them. Now that I know what it looks like inside thanks to you.
hey thanks so much for making this! spilled water in mine and this helped me get it open :)
very nice job, Mark. congratulations
The main reason they started to sell the faders is that they made a whole new production line for there new faders, hence they plan to sell the faders to other mixer makers that currently purchase ALP for example. As far as I know, they put the same faders into the MIDAS M32 mixers and may very well also do it in newer MIDAS digital mixers. From what I understand, they also use the same faders in there new Behringer X-Touch (100mm touch sensitive motor faders so I assume it's the same faders), hence the extra market for these faders, hence the extra production and "spare parts".
Great great video! You are a brave man!. Funny the case shape and end cheeks remind me a lot of a big Linn 9000!
thanks for the video, it gave me a great idea, I will remove the sides of my X32 so I can have it fit a smaller hard case
How do you put that ribbon cable to the screen back in?!! The tiny brown clip snapped on mine when I tried to do it, but it wasn't clicking back in. Is there a secret technique? I'm trying to glue it back together but if that doesn't work what can I do? Glue gun?!
Hello,
I’ve seen your video on youtube about the X32.
I have a problem with the power supply and the resistor R4 on the board is burnt and have no way to read the value on it. I can fix the problem swapping the capacitor but without the resistance value I can not do it.
I you please have any info for that it’ll be wonderful. Thank you.
Very nice Job you've done there ;)
I'm curious if the faders from Midas PRO Series (like in the M32) would fit in the X32. If you look at booth consoles, they have nearly the exact same layout (apart from the housing for the LCD and the Gate/EQ knobs, which is a little bit steeper in the M32). If the faders from the M32 would fit into the X32 with no problems, they could be a good option for a lasting replacement (estimated cycles X32 faders = 300 000 VS. M32 = 1000 000).
My rotary controllers are all on the fritz. Is there another reference video for servicing or changing these out?
hey , how did you repair the icon , just bought X32 , did inspect it right away . I noticed channel 3 the light is on , and changes colors , but no icon or anything please help
Thanks for that teardown video, very interesting! Have you, by chance, made any nice photographs you could share? I'd me most interested in the Mic Pres (what parts they use as the first stage amp)...
For me, it's really impressive that they get all this functionality out of two meager DSPs, it's only two parts clocking at 266 MHz, after all, doing EQ, Dynamics, routing for that many channels. They must have put in a *lot* of thought to reduce their part-count to the level where they could sell the device for that (comparably) little money.
Thanks.
Just looking at the Build Quality
(which I love watching and doing, but not as experienced as you)
I will absolutely be buying my X-32 next week.
are you sure about the tape over the fan housing?
Sometimes the gap/open space cause air to move quicker, I think.
Just saying.
anyway, awesome video.
hi ! i have a X32 that doesn start up, besides from the buttons to the right of the screen. The motherboard, the small cpu on the motherboard and the psu has been replaced . But no luck. Any ideas ?
Good day i have a problem with my behringer x32 .One of the scribble strip on channel 13 is not showing but the led color light is working and audio is coming through the channel what are the causes of this and how can i repair it?
this was really cool video.. thanks for uploading..
I have to try it because of a problem with the talkback section. thanx
Hello Markus !!. I have a behringer X32 console but recently i realise that I don't have phantom power to 9-16 and 25-32 channels too and I believe that is a minus hardware problem . The phantom power lit up when I press the 48V button but I have not power on these channels :-( . Did you have any idea or any suggestion what can I do to fix it . Thanks .
Well Markus,you make nice videos,I like to watch them, it gives me a bit of hope that some day I can repair things myself.If you ever can buy an old Yamaha o2r and strip it completly,your the man. In the mean time, Thanks.
do i need equalizer in powered speaker if i have a digital mixer like that?
Can you tell me where i can find Right Slider board of X32 PRODUCER? the item number and a link to buy, thanks?
Marc, everyone doing service on mixers know that spilling drinks and beer on the mixer requires change of a lot of faders sometimes ;) On analog mixers you can probebly wash/rinse and lubricate, but on digital and motorized, no...
I just found this!!! Do you or anyone else know where I can get the firmware mini sd card with the firmware on it??? The size mini sd? We had the x32 go down after a lighting storm & when I opened it up and got to the sd card & looked at it there was nothing on it. Any Body!!!???? Thank you for taking the time to read my post
can you help me, ?, I own a zoom R24 portable recording studio, which can be used as an audio interface, and I had a stereo jack plugged into one of the 8 XLR combo sockets, and pulled the jack out at a slight angle and the tip of the jack came off, inside the XLR socket, and is stuck inside the socket, just the pointed tip came off completely, I know I will probably have to open the unit to remove the tip of the stereo jack, but will it be possible to just push the jack tip out from within the back of the XLR combo socket, or will I have to completely replace the socket???, it's the kind of socket on most audio interface units used for recording music onto computers, maybe you have had to do this kind of repair yourself, or are familiar with the zoom R24??, I'm not a skilled electrician or Teccy, do you have any suggestions, thanx for your time if you can reply back
Thanks mate. Mines OK for now .... it's not a deal breaker. I bought it brand new and have done multiple hardware repairs. XLR latches(removed them after having a few lock the XLR plug inside). Replaced the USB socket ( that was my fault for lifting console up off the desk while it was still plugged in) and last but not least I had a 'lazy' fader. Wd40 fixed that. So I get what you mean about unreliable (from a hardware perspective anyway).
I still think it's an awesome piece of kit for the price but my next upgrade when finances allow will be a real Midas. The m32R looks like the go.
Thanks again for the video.
oh yes the price is certainly good for what it is. I cannot knock that at all.
Came in this morning and powered on the X32 only to find that only the main LCD display will boot up. No other lights or indicators will illuminate. Control do not work. Thankfully I have the mixer on a network with a computer running x32edit. It seems the CPU and the basic inputs and outputs still work and I can control the mixer with the application. This should get me through this day's sessions. This is the latest issue on this mixer. Last fall the mixer started making loud thumping noises through the main amps/speakers during boot up.And a couple month's before that the mixer started making loud thumping noises through the main amps/speakers 50% of the time during boot up. After several weeks of that it mysteriously stopped doing that. Then a few weeks ago, the actuators on faders 1-8 stopped working. The actual controls still worked but the sliders no longer moved when switching layers. I had ordered a replacement PCB for that section of the mixer due in a week or so. But now this problem has occurred. From the research I have gleaned off the internet, it may be a power supply related problem so I will order the part. Watching your video has given me confidence in cracking this thing open and attempting the repair myself. That, and it's also out of warranty. Hoping the problem is the power supply. Its disappointing that this mixer is having so many problems and its only 2 years old. I have had old analog boards last for many years without a problem.
You missed out the 'Secret infuriating screw' found underneath in the centre by the foot! That baffled me for ages as you can't lift the top section up until you do! My tip for the day! Another tip is to separate all the different screws into their own pots. In this case you could use the Sides as they have a series of compartments. If any are left over you will see where they are from. Nice vid mate!
Hello I have the mixer goes tight and one fader for drugimi.chto late it may be? Mixer NEW behringer x32 compact
Any advice for trying to repair one of the LCD scribble strips? It shows the color background correctly but no words (blank screen). It is definitely a problem and not a setting. Thanks! :) enjoyed the video, but after seeing how tight those scribble strips are packed together I am nervous about trying to fix the problem now
Richard McMahon Hi Richard. I got rid of my X32 a long time ago but I think the scribble strip display is just a small glass lcd which is attached by a tiny ribbon cable, maybe the ribbon has come slightly loose in its connector and could just need a slight wiggle?. if one of the contacts are not quite seated properly then the whole display of that one scribbble strip may not work.
How can I get input board (channel 17-32) for procurement.
you are my hereo¡¡ markusfuller thanks friend...a great great viedo¡¡¡...i had been looking for info about the processors inside...i love when you wentt to the bottom of the behringer x32 and showed tyhe beautifull sharcs analogue devices inside...and ypu magistral led repair...wow¡¡¡¡...also you analysis en depth about desing in the powersuply and the inconvinient with the space left with the fan....wow agqain....let me tell you that i have an x32 and one of the faders doesnt walk very gently across when you slide it,..it feels like jumping ...i saw thanks to your video, the estructure of the faders, i wonder if i could repaire it ...its something mechanical with the elastic chord maybe...well...i also have not the patience as you mentioned to take it to the service...i live in mexico city and here the support is not so good...thanks a lot friend ...and sorry for my bad English ¡¡¡congratulations and keep sahring your talent ...and your great music also at the end¡¡¡ tlazomkate markusfuller...(tlazokmate means gracias in nahuatl language, our original idiom here in Mexico tenochtitlan)
Could you do teardown video for midas m32 too
Hi there, I have just bought a 2 yr old x32 Compact and as you said great kit for the money.. I wonder if they should have made a version without all those back inputs outputs since many of us use the snakes and whether that would have significantly reduced the weight and cost. Its such a waste for so many since they will need a snake anyway. Really interesting to hear about the AD/DA converters and questions why Behringer never gave up the option of a higher sample rate even maybe just 96 over the 48 that is the highest option available. Strange indeed, grrr
Hey Marcus, an old vid and that, but thought of a pro-tip.
Freezer spray on "hot-snot" makes it very brittle and release adhesion... a gentle pry with a small driver and it's gone.
Isopropanol works too.
Hi Markus. I have an x32 Producer with a dodgy rotary encoder that doesn't keep up with the speed you turn it at ... if you get my drift ...
The rotary encoder is one of the row of six directly beneath the LCD. In your experience are these serviceable?
Hello those rotary encoders can be replaced. there are only a few points to unsolder. I am not sure if they are the same type that is used in the BCR-2000. I cannot check mine as I got rid of it a long time ago because it was constantly unreliable.
great... thanks for posting....
Good job!
Thanks fromm Germany.
Dirk
Whow - very interesting, specially the 96K thing ;) As I am nearsighted and would love to put a vga monitor on it only for mirroring the lcd screen to a big one - do you think it's possible to get a vga signal (or another standard video signal) out of it? (Perhaps with some programming using an FPGA like the "2seemy" board for the old KORG D3200)?
To be honest I got rid of the behringer a year ago so I cannot really remember what was inside the thing. I have a friend in the USA who has sight problems and he uses a webcam on a flexible stand and uses a large display from that.
Great video Markus! I love the way you play a bit "insecure" but in fact you know exactly what you do haha! Sometimes you say "very nice" when you're looking at some parts inside. I'm curious why they're nice made because as a noob i can't see the difference and you do!
Thanks Mark
Thanks for Goodyear job
congratulations
Donde puedo comprar piezas de las plaquetas soy de Guatemala.... se me aruino las dos plaquetas de la pantalla
Hey Mark, how do you normally use the X32 in your work?
Pretty cool video I reckon.
I think you should've put duct tape to the sides of the fan "conduct" just like you did on the top so it would have no leaks.
Hello Markus, in your opinion, the value in the price that you pay more for Midas M32 do you think is worth over the price it pays for X32? Thnaks
Hi Christiano. the X32 uses Midas parts now as Behringer has purchased Midas. I think the X32 is a good value machine. not the best on the market but certainly good value for the cost of it.
Help me, could you help me? The source of my X32 is faulty, it has a diode (D20) that is parallel to the GS terminals of transistor TF20n60, it (D20) is shorted, could you tell me if it is a common diode or zener and what voltage of which, the VGS + -30V. Thank you.
Renato Escudero Hello Renato I am truly sorry but I parted with my x32 a long time ago as it kept getting faults. I therefore cannot tell you what may be wrong as I do not have mine to compare for you. my apolgies.
hi, I've had my x32 for a yr and half, turned it on 2 days ago and the LEDS wouldn't light, the faders also don't respond. its on and off now, its working fine then its not, doesn't affect the sound, when u hit any of the buttons it responds on the screen but the button doesn't always light up....any ideas??
I would be tempted to try and reload the latest software operating system again and see if that corrects it ?
Hey great video! Have you ever encountered and repaired any issues with the USB port? Im not able to connect to the USB port when I plug in a USB stick.
Hello. I sold my mixer a long time ago but I never had any problems with the USB while I owned it.
@@markusfuller Thanks for the response!
Time for a cleaning, your video helps a lot thanks.
Is there any way to separate the video out? Is there a way to switch to a bigger screen by making a separate port other than the 7-inch screen?
Hello. I do not think there is a way to add a larger screen to this mixer.
do you know how to fix phantom power problem, 16 out of the 32 have no phantom power, 1-9 and 17-24 work.
sounds like there and whole board issues with the unit. as you have some of the boards of 8 units in working order I would check voltages against the boards of 8 that have failed. other than that I got rid of my behringer a long time ago as it kept developing new problems so I cannot open mine to have a look for you to try and give a clue where to start.sorry about that but good luck.
Love your vids man, very imformative...Please, if you can get your hands on the new Midas M32 and pull that one apart and compare with the X32 would be the coolest vid on youtube...:)
Any chance you can tell me what network chipset is used for the onboard ethernet ( for remote control ) . either that, or some detailed photos of that area ?
Hi Jay. Sorry I sold the X32 a while ago to a friend. Its a good mixer but i did not need so many channels and it was a bit big in my small space.
+jay binks It's probably integrated in the main cpu (which is not shown) a FreeScale iMX2xxx series.
una máquina!!! la voy a desarmar, wish me luck
I am having to replace one of the input cards and 2 faders are sticky. Can you pull the ribbon connector off the input card or does it have to come off with the ribbon attached? ...and do I have to desolder the faders to replace them?
+theheilious Hello Im not too sure as I have not got my Behringer any longer. I guess you may have to do a bit od desoldering though to get the sliders off but it will only be 3 solder joints as I think the Motor is on an unpluggable cable. Good luck
It's actually 10 solder joints on the card for the faders. ...and the ribbon cable stays attached to the input card. Answered my own questions already... lol
Well good luck with that. It was a pretty good mixer for its price but far too big for my desk top area.
Markus a Fantastic Video I took a X32 for a test drive at a Dealer and for the price Love this mixer from your video I think Behringer has a great Product for the price I have the MX-9000 I record with presently never took it apart (yet) I own the baby brother mixer the 1202 think it is (early 2000's model) I took it apart curiosity killed the cat with me and like the X32 impressive not messy + I DJ with an older DX-1000 pro mixer had that apart same impressed with the design so for those of us entering the pro mixing scene and if your starting budget is tight try the Behringer Mixer Product You'll Like it again Thank you Behringer for making live mixing possible for those of us on a tight budget and THANK YOU Markus!!!! Great Video!!!!
as the previous post your a Brave man!! :)
Bob Herrera
Radio Broadcast Engineer/Live Sound Tech/clubDJ
Hi Bob. Thankyou for your comment. I have several mixers here just small insignificant models but when the X32 appeared I put my deposit down before it arrived in the country. Im very pleased with it and the effects are very good. Im pleased I got inside it as I can see for myself that this will last me many years.
it's just a pity you didn't go deep on the input PCB... you say yourself, that's where the Midas magic is. I would have liked to see the actual mic preamp. I HAVE to know if it is really different from Midas PRO series or if it's all marketing bullshit. I am waiting for the warranty to run out to open up mine...
Cool video! Made my decision for a mixing desk for my future studio more informed ;)
+DrummingEvil Hi I am getting quite a few messages from people who are having lots of problems with this desk now, Just make sure you get plenty of guarantee time if you buy one.
I did a bunch of research into Analog vs. Digital consoles and have decided that I'm going to get an Analog one with Firewire interface. I've found a really nice one in a store here in the Netherlands so yeah :P
Thanks for the warning though!
No Problem. I got rid of mine after another fault appeared and I did not get much response from Behringer, From then on I decided to move over to the Allen & Heath QU-16 mixer instead. Its a pity really as Behringer so some reasonably good gear especially for their low prices.
Behringer has some good stuff, but yeah if things go like that i don't blame you :P
+markusfuller Yeah, QA falls a bit at their scales of production and constantly revamping hardware. Outside of classic stuff like their BCR2000 (though inside isn't too inspiring, lots of hot glue strings), BCF2000, or some of their power amps it's a crapshoot.
Why did you choose the QU16 over the R16 or Presonus Live
Old video so far but I just bought a X32 compact and fall your hard work. Many thanks to share it. Still very interesting.
Nice video !
Thankyou Gordon :-)
If I was to make a guess, the 48khz limit, rather than the ADSP limit is down to data bandwidth requirements. The CPU they've used, but also the storage. 32 channels at 192khz written to an SD card is likely to be a problem - again guessing.
than fan is pulling air from the outside - not the inside.
if you can see the whole fan blade - it's sucking from the backside.
Ear jack on the side is not connectet when you put it back together.
The wire black and red in the main suply 120v/240v ac or dc, must be close together if they are to separate the can couse hum in the audio signal or in the digital system, that is a teardown.
Thanks
did anyone notice the DeLorean DMC-12 lying in the background?
I have a stuck XRL plug on my x32. Thinking about open it and see how easy will come out. I’m kind of afraid
Im not sure there will be access from the inside to push the plug back out. is there a locking push pin on the xlr plug as a few of them have these for locking them into place, maybe that is the problem. ?.
@@markusfuller thanks for replay me, the locking push pin is not working. Mixer was drop on it’s back against the wall causing that issue
@@destakadoskings1548 I have the same thing. The little silver release actually fell out.
The M32 probably uses much of the same boards and also the extra sampling rate of the dac's and adc's
What brand are the capacitors in the mic preamplifiers? Nice video btw
MinecraftReviews1 Honestly I really do not know. I wish I had taken some close up pics as i have been asked this a few times. I do not own the Mixer now. my apologies
Don't worry, thanks for being honest.
They sell spares since even the most expensive digital mixers (and analog too) go through faders like there's no tomorrow in serious use. It's just the fact that they're getting a lot of use and when switching layers etc. they're moving constantly. In serious use they can get 300-500 cycles *daily*. And using very high quality faders can help, but the amount of cycles and reliability you get isn't the worth of the money they cost. After all, no audio signal goes through the fader on digital mixer so no need to use a fader that costs 8 or 16-times more and might last 2 or 4 times more use before giving up.
:)
Great but you forgot the daughter board , which controls all the audio flow in and out of the board. The daughter board processes the audio out of the X 32 . The daughter board has a micro SD card which has software that tells the board what to do,and contains The X 32 or M 32 Logo.
It would be so cool if you could swap out all of the chips, or most of them to really hotrod the board!
Hi , in the video is mentioned a cirrus logic ADC with 8 channel 7:05 , but it was never mentioned the part number , i'm trying to recreate something similar to behringer (with far less inputs and outputs) , and i was hoping to discover the exact parts number used inside the x32 , that after many years is still a great machine for the price
Hi Georgio, I sold my x32 a long while back so cannot look into what was inside it now.
@@markusfuller thanks for your lightening fast answer , it surprised me that someone actually answered to a question made on video published 5 years ago, I really appreciated.
That said I was hoping that someone that still have( or repair) those mixers could enlighten me , but it seems that you're the only one brave enough to perform a complete teardown of that machine.
Do you know some chip with at least 6 ADC inside? Maybe compatible with the i2s protocol?
P.S. English is not my primary language so if you're reading a sentence and you ask yourself "what is that supposed to mean" that's definitively my fault
Giorgio Armignacco Hi Georgio im still old fashioned and only really make things myself that are older style analog circuits so have never really looked into what ADCs are available . better to look into google and im sure theres plenty of dacs etc with many channels that you can buy today.
Not sure if you're still interested in an answer but Music Tribe uses their own adc's on these units now. Midas m8000 I believe they're called.
When they were cirrus they were the same adc on the m and x.
You've mentioned several issues the x32 has without even realizing it. Many of the buttons, encoders and faders have a very short life span. The faders collect "biscuit crumbs" and hair (as well as any other debris). The buttons collect dust and get stuck halfway in or halfway out. and the "infinite rotary" encoders get rather fidgety over time. Especially for consoles that do not get covered after every single use. It is very frustrating. I purchased one of these when they were fairly new for approximately ~$3,500, and sending it in (as you mentioned in either this or a previous video) is a complete hassle. Especially, when you don't have $3,500 laying around for a spare console to replace the one you're sending in for repairs. I'm very frustrated. I expected this hardware to function much more reliably.
i was about to buy it. thanks for commenting. a shame though it doesnt stand the test of time.
They are selling the faders because faders are wear material. If it's a professional mixer, you've got to sell spare parts at least when it comes to wear material. Same goes for the fader knobs. Those are the two things on the X32 that will wear significantly. I can't really see why this would be suspicious. I would say it shows, that behringer takes the X32 and the customers seriously.
Hello Mark, i have an X32 but it doesn't boot.
I tried updating it now even the screen (X32 LOGO) doesn't appear when i turn it on
but it still powers though the screen doesn't light up.
please help.
Hi Benjamin. Sounds like you have a serious problem going on there if the screen does not light up. maybe when you did an update the software was not complete. I would get in touch with Behringer and tell them the problem. maybe they would suggest trying the software update again or you may have to send it back to be repaired. Sorry I do not have the answer for you on this one but I hope you get it corrected. Best wishes from Markus
markusfuller Thank you.
benjamin mosh Did u get it sorted out?
Yes it worked fine after the repair :-)
Isaiah Furrow Not yet i was told to ship it back to the US where we bought it from. But i find shipping from Africa too expensive for now.
It would probably be a good idea to put some regular sticky tape over the top of the aluminium tape just in case the tape peels up it won't short out the top board.
Hi Tim. Yes you have a valid point there I may re-do it and insulate the tape. thanks for that.
That sounds like a screw may be loose, I would be tempted to open it up and check that out incase it rests on a circuit board and creates damage.
The X32 can run at 44.1 or 48 KHz so it's quite interesting it has converters that can run at 192 KHz. Is there a sonic advantage for using these converters, apart from being Cirrus Logic converters, and are these the top CL converters (i don't know if they have different kinds lol)? I guess it means the software is the main reason for running on lower sample rates?
Behringer claims to use ALPS faders. Can you verify that?
Love your videos, they are really, really interesting, you dare to go where many don't :)
+Synthelicious Sorry but Behringer don't use ALP faders in X32. They built a whole new production line in there new factory making these faders. Otherwise it's no way in hell that could sell the mixer for such a low price. ALP faders each cost around 30USD for 100mm faders. 30x25= 750USD for just the faders. add then the rest inkl. mini LCD, large LCD, chassis, Cirrus Logic ADC and for they still managed to sell the console for approx. 3000USD.
No, they don't use ALP faders and they are even proud to tell you they don't...
+Synthelicious My guess would be the conversion is hampered by the available processing power of the rest of the console, and not the converters. This also plays into the x32s price point, so the tradeoff is a cheaper console with less horsepower, and therefore an inability to processing audio at 192k by design, not by incompetence or malice.
If that is all that is in this mixer i am not sure where the embedded linux processor is? Something must be running the UI, file system, Ethernet remote control etc. There might be a soft core in that FPGA but i wouldn't expect that. That FPGA looks like it is doing the AES50 stuff.
Yes, the FPGA does the AES50 stuff. KLARK TEKNIK (the designers of the protocol) have an SDK for that series of FPGAs that you can get for free. They do this to make you include the protocol in your gear so it gets higher market share. I doubt that this sdk is radically different from what they have running in the X32.
The FPGA might actually runa soft core, but all the display stuff will require a lot of memory - and I doubt that the FPGA is large enough to make that possible.
I could imagine that one of the DSPs is running all that management/UI stuff. After all, a DSP is nothing but a microprocessor with special commands an peripherals. Heck, they might even have another processor inside the display assembly (which i think is more likely). Its always good to keep the UI away from your realtime-critical audio computations.
I was wondering where they put all the memory. 4 stereo Delay/Reverb effects need quite a bit of memory to work with delay times up to 3sec. I've seen a memory chip next to each of the DSPs but I wonder if that's all. Especially Reverbs need a lot of memory to sound good. So little memory is a good indication of a poor reverb. Unfortunately there is no dedicated sound example-video showing the quality of the effects.
TheSlowGrowth They are indeed very good!
Great video! Thank you for post and disassembling your console for "science". LOL
Hi Markus. A very informative video, thank you. Could you please tell us (if you recall it), which brand were the capacitors on the power supply ? .. and what brands of capacitors did they (behringer) used in this board overall? I have their old digital mixer ddx3216 and after 3 years of moderate use, it started crackling and poping on the main PA.. I replaced almost all capacitors on the psu with panasonics and it still going.. Now, I want to buy this board (x32), but I have a big need to know if behringer's bad habit of using subpar capacitor brands, had cured.. otherwise I'm not going to buy this lottery ticket again ...I'm still intrigued about the features at this price ..damn..
Thank you and please excuse my poor english
Hello Karm 9. Im sorry but I do not remember what brand of capacitors were used in the X32. I sold the mixer and no longer have it.
markusfuller ah..I see ..well, maybe it was too early, but, untill you sold it, have you noticed any strange behaviours, tendencies or glitches psu related or not at this board? ..like thought that something could go wrong with it at some point? I mean, nevemind small problems like a fader or anything but the fear that this thing could die on me in a middle of a show ..ughhh
Thank you kindly sir for you got the time to answer my questions
markusfuller
Why did you sell it? A comment of yours from one year ago was "it will last me many years". What was it that made you sell it?
I only live in a small flat and the X32 was taking up too much space. I only require about 6 inputs on from my gear so this was taking space. a friend wanted it for his studio and he made me a very good offer. if i had a bigger space or needed this many channels I may have kept it.
Okay, so its nothing related to the quality of the mixer itself - good to know :)
Awesome, next presonus studiolive lol
Presonus studio live opens in a similar fashion. Shame I opened mine up and never thought of documenting it. Very easy to get in there. Just take out all screws from the side as well if I remember correctly.
I try to fix a fader problem but to rearmthe console on the display appear:
userctrl: NOT FOUND
chedit: NOT FOUND
fader_l: NOT FOUND
fader_m: NOT FOUND
fader_r: NOT FOUND
+Daniel Llorente Hello Daniel. sounds like the X32 has lost its path, you may need to try and reload the factory settings. I would contact Behringer through their website and explain the problem you have, they may be able to explain how to fully reset the mixer to factory condition. I do not have mine so I cannot check how it is done, My apologies from Markus
+markusfuller thanks a lot for your time, I could solve the problem, was bad conection, one of the cables was polarity invert. I apologize for my English.
+Daniel Llorente Hi Daniel I hope you managed to fix your mixer.
That fan must be a Scythe Typhoon...
That's interesting that Behringer uses the SHARK ADSP 21371, because they are 32Bit. I'm remember Behringer saying, that the X32 has 40 Bit DSP's for unbeatable headroom in the internal signal flow. Maybe there is another 8Bit DSP and 32+8 are 40 :-)
Probably the same PR bullshit like in the valve compressors, where the tube is not in the signal path, just a light.
The SHARCs support 32 and 40bit floating point.
Christian Vogel The Analog Device spec's says 32 bit.
www.analog.com/en/processors-dsp/sharc/adsp-21371/products/product.html
audiam It's kind of implicit because of the general architecture (the SHARCs are available for 20 years now), and indeed, the datasheet (ADSP-21371_21375.pdf, Revision D, download from the page you linked to) says, in the first line on the title page: ❝High performance 32-bit/40-bit floating point processor optimized for high performance audio processing. ❞
Here's a little more information about this architecture: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Harvard_Architecture_Single-Chip_Computer
For comparison, an old pentium (Intel 586) was a 32bit CPU (data and address bus widths), but had a 80bit floating point unit (the old 387 design) built in.
Christian Vogel Ahh, ok i read the PDF and you're right. 32/40 Bit in the headline. Thanks for the link. You seems to work at Behringer ;-)
No, I don't. I just have worked with a SHARC DSP (a long time ago) in the past.
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16:25 .... HAHAHA .... priceless! I have a neighbor named Mark Fuller, who'd have thought.... Your personality is much more to my liking though. No more scrapping your videos! Thanks a lot for this video. I have been looking into the X32 Compact or Producer, would you say that it is a decently built and engineered product. My other option would be either an A&H Qu-16 (UK built, not made in China), or the Soundcraft Expression 1. With the A&H you cannot expand beyond 16 channels, with the Soundcraft you cannot at this time, use a digital snake, AND multi-track recording at the same time, and either would require an additional interface card. This X32 series seems like it has a lot of features for the money, and expansion/scalability seems to be better than the competition. Any input would be most appreciated. OH, I've come across something called CorrosionX, it's a spray that is supposed to be safe for electronics, and I've seen it used on a PCB that was then submerged in water and still powered up and working. Any experience with that sort of thing? I may just have to try it on one of my less expensive pieces of gear, a Numark Mixtrack Pro 2, and see if it still works, and if faders don't mind it. Thanks again for the video, +1 sub......
Hi Isaiah, I have heard of the CorrosionX but never actually tried it for myself, it sounds as if it would be excellent for coating boards but i would be cautious not to let it get onto the carbon contacts or tracks of faders just incase it coats the track and stops the carbon conducting through to the wiper.
markusfuller I'm going to try the CorrosionX on my Numark Mixtrack Pro 2, but not until I'm ready to completely do without it. I've upgraded to another controller, but still use the MTP2 quite a bit, once I get another backup/portable option squared away, I'll give it a shot and let you know how it fares..... The faders are the only part that I've been wondering about, I'll have to look into that some more... thanks again for the input. I'd love to hear your input on the X32, is it built well, or at least on par with other mixers in a similar price range? I've got the X32 Compact or Producer at the top of my list. Keep shining.....