Not all of them but most of them... for me personally Hardware Canucks, Hardware Unboxed and Tech Yes City (because Brian is cool af) and probably Gamers Nexus (all though I haven't seen it in my feed yet, maybe it's late?) Anyway those are the only ones I will probably watch. I'm sure the rest of the tech tubers will review it too but these are the only ones I'm interested in.
Better than 6700k - 7700k difference. Anyway I don’t think AMD expects current Ryzen owners will upgrade to Zen+ but people will hesitate a little to buy a more than 1 year old CPU so that’s why they released this
Best review and test I've seen so far. I'm a 1700 owner and was thinking of upgrading but after watching this video I'm sticking with my 1700 @ 3.9ghz. If I'm not going to see a significant improvement in rendering, then it's not worth it to me.
From AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 to Ryzen 2700x. This is a major upgrade for me! Now as I patiently wait for FedEX. I mean, I've been banging this Black Edition X4 955 since 2009, another day or two won't hurt.
Im still on a 945 BE overblocked to 3.6ghz lol. Plays overwatch at a steady locked 70frames with textures and stuff high but mostly all low gfx. Starting to think about upgrade but its a toss up... Im having slow HDD performance so also thinking maybe I should just replace caps on the motherboard and keep this machine until I really need something faster hrm
I upgraded my 1700 to a 2700x and it was a realy got desision. With the 2700x im now able to overclock my Ballistix Sports to 3GHz CL18. On the 1700 i was stuck on unstable 2400MHz. The memory controller in the new Ryzens are way better.
AMD are on fire right now. I'm so pleased with the performance of my Ryzen 1700, particularly when overclocked, and that AMD stock cooler is lit. If you're looking for a new CPU that can burn through rendering video/photo/graphics edits while simultaneously watching Netflix, and compile programmes, and virtualization. Ryzen is an excellent platform choice.
On fire? Not really....I mean sure for editing and multithreaded tasks sure. But for a gamer? Absolutely not. Steps in the right direction though. I'm not an AMD hater or Intel fanboy, I was loyal to AMD for a long time, but they're just not quite there yet
TDS for the prices and every gen they sure are getting there! Good performance with a stock cooler.. intel better be careful.. price/performance may be their downfall!
It seems if you're just getting into Ryzen, get the 2700x and X470. If you already have 1700x/1800x and X370? Well...........doesn't seem to be worth upgrading all that much (from that).
Worth upgrading only if you got 1600x or lower and that only if you need productivity/professional use. Plus you can resell the ryzen max cooler for like 30-40 dollars which brings the price down. Also the 2700x is better at productivity vs a 8700k (at least when the application does not depend on single clock speed, like cinebench). A big plus is also it comes with a soldered lid (big plus vs intel), which automatically makes it better for professional use where you do not want to delid/void warranty.
@Zachary James but is a %30 difference worth the cost of entry? For some the answer is yes, for most, who are most likely just gaming while watching a video, that %200 cost premium is not worth it.
Man this is a hard decision. I'm on a Ryzen 5 1600 workstation and want to step up to a Ryzen 7. Looking at this, I'm probably better hoping for a price drop on the 1700x.
1700x will likely stay at the same price from now on given it isn't current gen anymore. If you are planning to go for an 8 core chip, get the new chips
Hydrochloric Acid I can't remember exactly what they were but MicroCenter is down to $229 on the 1700x. I think that's a small drop from a week or two ago. So $100 for a few seconds off my render/export times? Probably better spending that $100 toward some other upgrades.
Best choice for what? Gaming? For existing Ryzen owners? It's great for productivity, but with the 8400 being sub 200 and the 8600k $240 (was 215 last weekend), there are better options in the low and mid price range for everything else.
y, kinda dumb, if he would have tested in at 4k and had like a nother 1080ti he would probably see a huge improvement. In 1440p I guess the CPU will be hella bored in most of the gaming cases.
Honestly I would rather see real world performance numbers. Sure you get different results for benchmarks at low resolutions letting you see the cpu utilized. Realistically who is going to set their resolution that low. It's stupid in my opinion unless you are simply looking at the benchmark numbers, but it doesn't give you real world performance numbers at those resolutions. He could've tested at 1080p and we would have a better cpu test results. Most people are still rocking 1080p anyway some are at 1440p now though.
At that point he's testing the GPU and SLI and not the CPU. Hardly anybody plays in 4K, it's too demanding for very little gains. 1440p is the sweet spot right now and likely will be for a while. It also doesn't help that not all games even support 4K and Windows is an absolute joke at scaling with it too.
LOL I have a x470 prime pro with a ryzen 1700 non X... cinebench R15 @3.98 "1802 1798 1801" scores and i bench it all the time .... i guess im gonna hit the 3700x up and just jump from 1st to 3rd gen considering i have this awesome chip and hit the lottery i have had it clocked as high as 4.27 MHZ only stable enough for 2 passes of R15 and it benched 2051 dialed back to 3.9 MHZ for my everyday OC vcore never sees more then 1.32 @100% prime 95 @64 degrees... I hope with 3rd gen i will see a 30% gain, if the numbers are not ENOUGH for gains ill just try a R9 3900 youll never find a 3950
I still love my Ryzen 5 1600 oc'd to 3.9 on mt stock cooler. And it seems AMD isn't going for gaming framerates but rather workload capabilities. I can do without significant gaming performance. If I wanted gaming I would go Team Boo, I mean blue. lol
Great review, very informative. Im planning on building a new gaming rig this month and i was going to buy a x470 mobo and the 2700x. Im not a streamer or video edditing/ photoshoping (often) on this pc. Mainly just gaming... i was going to buy a ryzen 2600x originally but ive been talked into looking into buying a 2700x instead... but now i feel like i should just get a 1700x, thoughts?
Hey, I have a question for you. I am building a VR development PC and I received Ryzen 1600 yesterday. My motherboard is B350 and I'm thinking of returning this chip and getting 2600 instead. However, here are my concerns: 1. I have to update the motherboard BIOS to use 2600 and in order to do this, I have to use 1600. I ordered it through B&H and not sure whether they would still accept the return after I use the chip, and I don't feel comfortable either. 2. I'm not sure whether I will see a significant speed difference. Just as you said about the difference between 1700X and 2700X, while I am building a new PC at this moment, I'm not sure it's worth going through a hectic #1 process to get a slight speed bump. On the other hand, I haven't actually started assembling so my parts are still in boxes. Since it's new, I sort of want to get the newest chip possible, of course. Your opinion would be very helpful in choosing what to do. Thank you in advance!
Thanks for the review! Only thing I missed was a 2700X Stock @ RAM speed 3400 to see if the all core OC or memory speed was the bigger factor in the OC gains.
I'll be impressed with the first CPU company to release auto OC like NVidia's GPU boost, where based on power and thermal dynamics available, the chips overclock to the max stable OC, adjusting voltage and clock speeds on the fly.
I'm an existing Ryzen 1700X user and the most interesting thing about the Ryzen 2700X is the improved power consumption. I don't know how a processor with a high 105W TDP fares better in idle and load compared to a 95W TDP is beyond me.
Eh. your statement that the Ryzen 1700x can't go higher than 3200 isn't quite right. It might be due to your cpu being built on an early monday morning. I'm rocking 3333MHz stable on the 1700 non X (at 3.8 GHz)
@@tonkatoytruck true... he ocd the 2700x but left the 1700x on stock lol. ofc the oc will be better, he should have ocd the 1700 to 4ghz at least to really show that the dif. is minimal
But why did you try 1440p to do your benchmarks? Why not 1080p to stress out that cpu? (even though if you buy an 8 core 2700X for just gaming maybe you can afford a nice gpu)
2700x just for gaming makes no sense if you do not video edit / steam. Pick Intel over it any day, but for productivity it is hard to beat at the price. Also soldered IHS (vs Intel paste) is superior for professional use since you do not have to void warranty to get low temps.
Seriously.... "We saw no difference in gaming, in an entirely GPU-bottlenecked benchmark suite." 1440P becomes a GPU bench, not a CPU bench. I'm incredibly disappointed with HWC right now because of that.
I agree, I play game at low setting to get high frames, I don't really care about graphics, And I regularly play old games like DOOM. I'm much more interested in the difference on low settings, and no, I do not want intel.
I don't mean it's the wrong price bracket, I mean testing the cpu instead of doing a combined cpu/gpu load. The lower the resolution, the more the cpu is stressed. It's just something I'm sure you've noticed watching all the benchmarks.
+Talha Hussain: "You tested at 1440p. That's why you didn't see much difference." ==In others words, don't upgrade if you are gaming at 1440p. I game @ 1400 x 900. I get 120 to 160 FPS in BF1 multiplayer, on a Ryzen 7 1800X, so there is no reason for me to upgrade. If you are rendering 2D and 3D videos, go for the upgrade.
swapping from a 4790k to a 2700x. we will see how she runs when it finally arrives. would love to see difference in ram timing on the new architecture.
That doesn't change the fact that ALL these CPU's perform IDENTICALLY at >1080p due to GPU bottlenecking. It tells you NOTHING about it's gaming performance, other than that it's fast enough to keep up with the card.
Those Premiere benchmarks were quite something. Could definitely be worth the jump from my 5820k, but not sure if I should wait another generation. Decisions, decisions...
Ascendant Nomad I have an Intel Nuc and I'm planning on building a Ryzen desktop soonish. It's definitely looking like I'm going to wait for Zen 2 though, as this is just Ryzen but a tiny bit better. I guess you could say that it's... Zen... Plus.
Ayyyyyy(MD). Gotta say the stability counts for something with this platform though. Unless Zen 2 is stable as hell I'll be getting Zen Plus as my new build!
Ascendant Nomad That's an extremely fair point. I'd like to think that AMD has learned from the Ryzen launch, though I know that new process launches are always a bit buggy.
Zen+ is really just an update on the original chips. Zen 2 however will have major rework compared to the original and should perform quite a bit better.
Considering one of the main benefits of Zen+ is the ability to use higher speed memory, it would be appropriate to use the fastest ram (from the same vendor and series) that will work for each. That's closer to apples-to-apples in this situation IMO.
I had this exact problem with the stock heatsink where the processor stuck to it when removing. It turns out, the heat sink compound is the issue. I replaced it with some Artic5 and haven't had any problems since. Their stock compound turns into glue when exposed to heat.
It didn't help. It was stuck really well. I had to give the side of the processor a "love tap" with a knife handle to pop it off afterward. I've since removed it on two separate occasions (a case change, and some troubleshooting for a friend's setup) and it's never been a problem since replacing the stock compound.
This happened to me when I was building my 1700. I almost died seeing the CPU stuck to the heatsink. Thought my pins were broken an I destroyed my first computer build. Not sure if this can cause it, but my CPU is still working great a year later 👍
To hide the difference? Like it is minimal but you still get like 10-15 fps difference compared to a 1800x, which is fairly good, tho a 8700k will give you like 40 fps more then the Zen+ CPUs.
Why not? That will show us that ryzen is better choice than intel cuz theres is no huge difference in performance and you get some extra cores and threads for less money also you get lower temps and more stabile fps ... Btw i wouldnt pair 1080ti with 1080p monitor...
Thanks for the comparison. I am still sitting with my i7 3770k and it feels like that I need an upgrade really badly (Video editing/photoediting/generally) :/
@@visionaireg8211 lucky u to bad micro store isn't here. In Cali but new egg raise up the price for 199 then it went back to 150 really want to go check from work to buy it lol.
Sitting hear thinking to just get the 1700x because its cheaper and im only getting it for gaming. But dang that fan that comes with the 2700x is a beauty. Although i could use that extra hundred dollars for a water cooler. Decisions that arent something consoles have.
I really don't understand making FPS comparisons while nerfing the ram speed of the 2700x. It has higher ram speeds, so you should take advantage of that. No one that buys a 2700x is gonna run it at 3200 for fear of hurting their 1700x's feelings.
I like what AMD did with Ryzen with 1st gen but 2nd gen Ryzen was just like pre Ryzen Intel offerings, increased clock speeds (and this case latency improvements), little else. Should've just waited for true Ryzen 2. Only thing this will do is encourage people to buy cheaper Ryzen 1st gen chips, which isn't bad for us consumers, just don't see people buying Ryzen+ because of the little improvement. Unless AMD is simply hoping to reduce Intel chips being bought by cheaper Ryzen 1st gen chips, strategic market share planning perhaps. Otherwise, should've waited in my opinion. Especially with Intel now taking AMD seriously and making their consumer enthusiast chips more than 6 cores now. I'm expecting Intel to be douchebags with cost though, core i9 gonna be unreasonably expensive probably.
Im not a fan of the AMD hype because intel still outperforms them but THANK YOU AMD for making Intel drop their shady prices so I can finally get a 6 core intel cpu "8700k" for $300.
Its funny to see how “pros” get the cpu stuck up when removing the heatsink. Just a tip, always remove it when its a little hot and try to do small and slight winkles when pulling the heatsink out.
For most people, including me, the 1700 will be more than enough. 2700x is for professionals who render videos and are focused on productivity. I just play games, do photoshop and stream from time to time.
Going from the 1700X to the 2700X is not your typical scenario. A typical scenario is someone upgrading their aging Phenom II 1090T system to a Ryzen system. In which case going to the R7 2700X makes a lot of sense.
I think AMD is keeping good value. This next year things gonna heat up in Competition. Waiting for the 7nm process CPU's. As of now I am holding on to my 1700x rig. It's still great value for money. Don't we all like what's happening now between Intel and AMD?
You should always use the twist method when removing a cooler from a PGA socket. Unclip or unscrew and then rotate the heatsink to free it then lift it off.
Yea building my first pc... got a rysen i7 2700x, Msi B350 Tomahawk motherboard, CORSAIR VENGEANCE LED 64GB RAM, Evga 850 80+ Gold, 8Tb Seagate barracuda, Adata Su800 512gb ssd, and a Evga Geforce gtx 1060 ssc. My last part comes in on Tuesday. Wish me luck lol.
I believe that the best option, if they already have in their teams the first generation, wait for the series 3000 or 4 thousand in the following years or scale from a Ryzen 3 to a 5 or 7.
I think I have to disagree with your statement saying the x470 isn't a huge leap over the x370 with regards to the X470's memory compatibility that I've been seeing. Its also poor choice to review the speeds at only 3200 vs 3200, since one of the benefits of the 2700x is that it can support higher memory speeds
Wouldn't it have made more sense to also show the OC results for the 1700x in your comparisons? If it's running 500mhz slower, it might show parity (or close to) between the 1700x and 2700x at the same speed.
the quality of videos with hardwarecanucks is incredible , no one comes close .. not even MKBHD , the production level is unmatched by any other UA-cam channel
"Don't expect framerate improvements with the 2700X"... Tests at 1440p.... *facepalm*.... YOU GUYS ARE BETTER THAN THIS!!!!!! For anyone who wants real gaming info, there is a significant improvement, but you'll need to look elsewhere than here for decent gaming tests. I love your guy's channel, but that's just noob stuff. Gotta give this vid a dislike for it. Sorry, but that's just the freaking basics.
1440p benchmarks, with some exceptions (games with a hard FPS cap) are worthless for judging the difference between CPUs. You know that lads, and the last time you did this (Sandy Bridge vs Coffee Lake video) you got called out on it and retested at 1080p (and went from a 1070 to 1080Ti IIRC). Disappointing video for those interested in the benchmarks, to say the least.
I think Im going to change my motherboard instead, I have a r7 1700 and ever since a bios update, I can't go over 3.7GHz and even for that speed I have to max out the voltage to 1.5 because it keeps crashing with cinebench, since the beginning the cpu only went from 3.0 to 3.2 without meddling with the bios and couldn't get to 3.7 out of the box, my mobo is a gigabyte gaming k5 and I pretty much hate it... ty to flash back the bios but I can't get back my stable 3.9 OC but that's the price I paid for saving a few bucks, I should have bought the Asus hero instead the power supply is a corsair 750w so I don't think that's the problem
Hi, I've been building my own systems for a long time, but I've always wondered... when picking components for my build, is there a difference between a gaming application and a video editing application machine? Or would the components, CPU's, RAM, GPU, etc. be basically the same?
there is a difference. video editing applications (or just content creation in general) make better use of more cores/threads. gaming has just recently moved past the sweet spot of 4 cores but it hasn't reached that level of core usage yet, or rather the benefit isn't truly there intel still beats amd at raw gaming when you match up the newest i7 8th and 8th gen compared to amd ryzen 7's and whatnot. But it's not like they can't be both used for the same thing. a gaming machine or video editing machine is all relative, it's what the creator wants it to be. Especially at 4k gaming where the gpu really becomes the deciding factor.
Help me help me help me help me I have a Asus Crosshair x470 ryzen 1700 will not post coming up with debug light for CPU red LED how to get my board to post for me with the ryzen 1700 not a second gen it's supposed to work for both generations and yet it's not a Crosshair Asus motherboards going to end up going back unless you guys suggest that I download the newest bios but I can't post into the BIOS to get it to update so I would have to use the flashback button to flash the new bios do you guys suggest I do do that
See I had a Nh-D15 from my i7 4790K, so it was more sensible to go with the 2700 non-X and buy the required mounting kit for like $7.50. It gets the same 4.2ghz at 1.425v and Max LLC, for $30 less.
Just purchased a 2600x and gigabyte gaming 7 motherboard. I think the increased clock speeds and threads are definitely worth the upgrade. Plus I sold my old shit and paid for 2/3 of the new setup.
I think the best upgrade for AMD users would be the ones who bought a 1600X or lower and want to move up to 2700X. This would be the best side by side generation jump. 1700X to 2700X might not be worth it unless you can find a decent buyer for the 1700X and offset the cost.
You test games at 1440p max details and wonder why there is little fps difference? That is a noob mistake. at 1440p the onus is on the GPU, taking the CPU out of the equation for the most part. Do a 1080p and max details for a better performance difference and more realistic results.
Why didn't you include overclock results for the 1700x as well as stock results? We all know the 1700x is going to be slower as it has lower clock speeds out of the box and by not giving us overclocked results we don't really know how much things have improved.
Why you comparing it to last gen? Compare it to the 8700k so people can see a 6c12t put a beating on that 8c16(fake)t cpu. I mean come on, educate the people with real knowledge. Don't be a tool bro.
You straight away blame the mounting configuration for the failure to separate the cooler from the IHS. I wonder if someone in the YT community has actually ever considered if both the thermal compound properties and mounting forces for those coolers are within the mounting system specs by the manufacturer. I'm not implying this is a new problem, only that the blame is always cast on the mount system while probably the problem is not correctly understood.
If you have a 1st gen Ryzen, its way too soon to upgrade. You can get a good 5 years out of it and wait till 4th or 5th gen Ryzen comes out. I still use my Ryzen 1700 65W in my low profile build and will be using it for a long time to come.
which one is better for engineering Student like Architecture Engineering (Ryzen 1700 or Ryzen 2700) ? cause I am making My friend a new PC so please lemme know? :)
Your problem is because you ran it at 1440p all the other reviewers like GN and Hardwareunboxed or even TechYES all the reviews they did were at 1080p to really see the real fps differences.
Don't lie, your UA-cam feed is flooded with benchmarks. *And you will watch all of them*
Not all of them but most of them... for me personally Hardware Canucks, Hardware Unboxed and Tech Yes City (because Brian is cool af) and probably Gamers Nexus (all though I haven't seen it in my feed yet, maybe it's late?) Anyway those are the only ones I will probably watch. I'm sure the rest of the tech tubers will review it too but these are the only ones I'm interested in.
not even Linus?cmon bruh
dave 2d is also very good
No i researched this video
@@arthasmenethil7208 Linus over rated...
I got my Ryzen 1700 CPU mainly for work. Don't care that much about 1 fps more in gaming on 1440p or 4 fps more on 1080p.
Its never worth to upgrade before your gear hits 4 years old, heck it can go older and still be good, these options are only good for new buyers
Have you overclocked your chip? What's the max potential?
Better than 6700k - 7700k difference. Anyway I don’t think AMD expects current Ryzen owners will upgrade to Zen+ but people will hesitate a little to buy a more than 1 year old CPU so that’s why they released this
Abhinav Ajith at least current 8-core Ryzen owners. I see it as a great upgrade for someone with an r5(for the 2700x) or an r3(for the 2600x)
It's more for new build folk coming from something a few years old rather than upgrading from last years stuff.
why are people buying the x models over the non x?
Best review and test I've seen so far. I'm a 1700 owner and was thinking of upgrading but after watching this video I'm sticking with my 1700 @ 3.9ghz. If I'm not going to see a significant improvement in rendering, then it's not worth it to me.
From AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 to Ryzen 2700x. This is a major upgrade for me! Now as I patiently wait for FedEX. I mean, I've been banging this Black Edition X4 955 since 2009, another day or two won't hurt.
Mezziah dude im still Running 955 :D haha
Im still on a 945 BE overblocked to 3.6ghz lol. Plays overwatch at a steady locked 70frames with textures and stuff high but mostly all low gfx. Starting to think about upgrade but its a toss up... Im having slow HDD performance so also thinking maybe I should just replace caps on the motherboard and keep this machine until I really need something faster hrm
I"m on the X4 960T BE edition lol. And will upgrade to the 2700x as well. But jokes aside I think the 960T has actually aged well for me
@@ZeffAU I still have a running Athlon 5000+ BE running as a file server :D
Same except my CPU was a Phenom II 1090T x6 Black Edition. It's served me well and earned it's retirement.
Best looking Ryzen 2 B-roll 👌
Dat embargo lift. Clicked yours first. :D
ghfhgfuuu That's very exciting. :D
I upgraded my 1700 to a 2700x and it was a realy got desision. With the 2700x im now able to overclock my Ballistix Sports to 3GHz CL18. On the 1700 i was stuck on unstable 2400MHz. The memory controller in the new Ryzens are way better.
well NO, but if you didn't buy the first ryzen this one is more worth it than the last one.
Amazing value for the price point, AMD is kicking ass with ryzen man
AMD are on fire right now. I'm so pleased with the performance of my Ryzen 1700, particularly when overclocked, and that AMD stock cooler is lit. If you're looking for a new CPU that can burn through rendering video/photo/graphics edits while simultaneously watching Netflix, and compile programmes, and virtualization. Ryzen is an excellent platform choice.
On fire? Not really....I mean sure for editing and multithreaded tasks sure. But for a gamer? Absolutely not. Steps in the right direction though. I'm not an AMD hater or Intel fanboy, I was loyal to AMD for a long time, but they're just not quite there yet
TDS for the prices and every gen they sure are getting there!
Good performance with a stock cooler.. intel better be careful.. price/performance may be their downfall!
Adobe's software is still faster on Intel's 8700K (especially when overclocked). Intel have been working closely with Adobe to improve performance.
They only used 2666 Mhz ram though.
About the compile programmes part of your comment ,does nore cores mean faster compile time i cant find on any thread to help me in this regard
It seems if you're just getting into Ryzen, get the 2700x and X470. If you already have 1700x/1800x and X370? Well...........doesn't seem to be worth upgrading all that much (from that).
Worth upgrading only if you got 1600x or lower and that only if you need productivity/professional use. Plus you can resell the ryzen max cooler for like 30-40 dollars which brings the price down.
Also the 2700x is better at productivity vs a 8700k (at least when the application does not depend on single clock speed, like cinebench). A big plus is also it comes with a soldered lid (big plus vs intel), which automatically makes it better for professional use where you do not want to delid/void warranty.
Captain obvious over here.
bullshit. get the 2600x not the 2700x, the performance difference is 30% and price difference is 200%.
@Zachary James but is a %30 difference worth the cost of entry? For some the answer is yes, for most, who are most likely just gaming while watching a video, that %200 cost premium is not worth it.
@@Choice777 2600x over the 2700x?
Man this is a hard decision. I'm on a Ryzen 5 1600 workstation and want to step up to a Ryzen 7. Looking at this, I'm probably better hoping for a price drop on the 1700x.
If you don't earn money with that system. Just wait for zen 2
Doesn't sound worth it to me. Get zen 2
1700x will likely stay at the same price from now on given it isn't current gen anymore. If you are planning to go for an 8 core chip, get the new chips
Hydrochloric Acid I can't remember exactly what they were but MicroCenter is down to $229 on the 1700x. I think that's a small drop from a week or two ago. So $100 for a few seconds off my render/export times? Probably better spending that $100 toward some other upgrades.
HotRodHippie that's microcenter though. They always do stuff like that. It's a great price though
Best Ad ever lol!
It was awesome!
I think that if u are lookin’ to build a new pc ryzen+ is the best choice.
Intel is the way to go. Don't be a tool. Intel is bang for your buck now.
Best choice for what? Gaming? For existing Ryzen owners? It's great for productivity, but with the 8400 being sub 200 and the 8600k $240 (was 215 last weekend), there are better options in the low and mid price range for everything else.
@@_Bishopton From someone who has never owned a AMD CPU I can tell you that is utter garbage, Intel is over priced and greedy.
Testing a CPU performance in gaming at 1440p...
y, kinda dumb, if he would have tested in at 4k and had like a nother 1080ti he would probably see a huge improvement. In 1440p I guess the CPU will be hella bored in most of the gaming cases.
Honestly I would rather see real world performance numbers. Sure you get different results for benchmarks at low resolutions letting you see the cpu utilized. Realistically who is going to set their resolution that low. It's stupid in my opinion unless you are simply looking at the benchmark numbers, but it doesn't give you real world performance numbers at those resolutions. He could've tested at 1080p and we would have a better cpu test results. Most people are still rocking 1080p anyway some are at 1440p now though.
At that point he's testing the GPU and SLI and not the CPU. Hardly anybody plays in 4K, it's too demanding for very little gains. 1440p is the sweet spot right now and likely will be for a while. It also doesn't help that not all games even support 4K and Windows is an absolute joke at scaling with it too.
Still, the CPU probably isn't nearly at the maximum of what it can do. In 1440p the GPU will most likely be the bottleneck.
I bet it doesn't matter, since people who get a 2700 don't use a 1050 ti
TL;DW - *It's not worth it to upgrade.*
for me 15-20% better performance on applications worth the upgrade.
Just wait for Zen2, *THEN* it would be worth the upgrade.
^ This. If you're already on Zen 1... just wait for Zen 3. Sure you have to wait, but imo its worth it.
LOL I have a x470 prime pro with a ryzen 1700 non X... cinebench R15 @3.98 "1802 1798 1801" scores and i bench it all the time .... i guess im gonna hit the 3700x up and just jump from 1st to 3rd gen considering i have this awesome chip and hit the lottery i have had it clocked as high as 4.27 MHZ only stable enough for 2 passes of R15 and it benched 2051 dialed back to 3.9 MHZ for my everyday OC vcore never sees more then 1.32 @100% prime 95 @64 degrees... I hope with 3rd gen i will see a 30% gain, if the numbers are not ENOUGH for gains ill just try a R9 3900 youll never find a 3950
I still love my Ryzen 5 1600 oc'd to 3.9 on mt stock cooler. And it seems AMD isn't going for gaming framerates but rather workload capabilities. I can do without significant gaming performance. If I wanted gaming I would go Team Boo, I mean blue. lol
Great review, very informative. Im planning on building a new gaming rig this month and i was going to buy a x470 mobo and the 2700x. Im not a streamer or video edditing/ photoshoping (often) on this pc. Mainly just gaming... i was going to buy a ryzen 2600x originally but ive been talked into looking into buying a 2700x instead... but now i feel like i should just get a 1700x, thoughts?
Why didn't you show the overclocked 1700x.. my 1700x hits 1770 -1780's range in cinebench r15 when its overclcoked..
do i need gpu to run my r7 1700x on strix b350-f mobo ?!
because I don’t have a gpu and i cant run it it shows to me black screen.
Can't use Ryzen without graphics card
ryzen 1700x is 149$ right now, is that a total steal or do you think ryzen 2's might drop for black friday?
Hey, I have a question for you. I am building a VR development PC and I received Ryzen 1600 yesterday. My motherboard is B350 and I'm thinking of returning this chip and getting 2600 instead. However, here are my concerns:
1. I have to update the motherboard BIOS to use 2600 and in order to do this, I have to use 1600. I ordered it through B&H and not sure whether they would still accept the return after I use the chip, and I don't feel comfortable either.
2. I'm not sure whether I will see a significant speed difference. Just as you said about the difference between 1700X and 2700X, while I am building a new PC at this moment, I'm not sure it's worth going through a hectic #1 process to get a slight speed bump. On the other hand, I haven't actually started assembling so my parts are still in boxes. Since it's new, I sort of want to get the newest chip possible, of course.
Your opinion would be very helpful in choosing what to do. Thank you in advance!
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Thanks for the review! Only thing I missed was a 2700X Stock @ RAM speed 3400 to see if the all core OC or memory speed was the bigger factor in the OC gains.
I'll be impressed with the first CPU company to release auto OC like NVidia's GPU boost, where based on power and thermal dynamics available, the chips overclock to the max stable OC, adjusting voltage and clock speeds on the fly.
Pumped I’m getting mine on Monday
Thank you. I was considering the ryzen 2 jump, but i guess that doesnt really make much sense for me. So, I guess I wont.
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I'm an existing Ryzen 1700X user and the most interesting thing about the Ryzen 2700X is the improved power consumption. I don't know how a processor with a high 105W TDP fares better in idle and load compared to a 95W TDP is beyond me.
Eh. your statement that the Ryzen 1700x can't go higher than 3200 isn't quite right. It might be due to your cpu being built on an early monday morning. I'm rocking 3333MHz stable on the 1700 non X (at 3.8 GHz)
He should have overclocked the 1700 to see how it stacked up.
@@tonkatoytruck true... he ocd the 2700x but left the 1700x on stock lol. ofc the oc will be better, he should have ocd the 1700 to 4ghz at least to really show that the dif. is minimal
Shall I go for 1700x for video editing in Vegas pro
Yes, unless you got more money to spend 😂🤣
But why did you try 1440p to do your benchmarks? Why not 1080p to stress out that cpu? (even though if you buy an 8 core 2700X for just gaming maybe you can afford a nice gpu)
2700x just for gaming makes no sense if you do not video edit / steam. Pick Intel over it any day, but for productivity it is hard to beat at the price. Also soldered IHS (vs Intel paste) is superior for professional use since you do not have to void warranty to get low temps.
Seriously.... "We saw no difference in gaming, in an entirely GPU-bottlenecked benchmark suite." 1440P becomes a GPU bench, not a CPU bench. I'm incredibly disappointed with HWC right now because of that.
I agree, I play game at low setting to get high frames, I don't really care about graphics, And I regularly play old games like DOOM.
I'm much more interested in the difference on low settings, and no, I do not want intel.
Derek Yu why do you get a 2700 for 1080p. Looks like the wrong price category to me.
I don't mean it's the wrong price bracket, I mean testing the cpu instead of doing a combined cpu/gpu load. The lower the resolution, the more the cpu is stressed. It's just something I'm sure you've noticed watching all the benchmarks.
Ill stick with my 1700X :) Great video dude
You tested at 1440p. That's why you didn't see much difference.
Intel sponsored 4 sure.
Doesn't change the fact there isn't a big difference either way. It's a refresh.
Lets see if they use 1080p when compairing it to a 8700k in some later test, i can promise you that they will 😉
+Talha Hussain:
"You tested at 1440p. That's why you didn't see much difference."
==In others words, don't upgrade if you are gaming at 1440p.
I game @ 1400 x 900. I get 120 to 160 FPS in BF1 multiplayer, on a Ryzen 7 1800X, so there is no reason for me to upgrade.
If you are rendering 2D and 3D videos, go for the upgrade.
swapping from a 4790k to a 2700x. we will see how she runs when it finally arrives. would love to see difference in ram timing on the new architecture.
you tested the games in 1440p... "we saw no difference in gaming" well no shit Sherlock, try 1080p... -.-'
Time for 1080p to die, let that old shit go.
That doesn't change the fact that ALL these CPU's perform IDENTICALLY at >1080p due to GPU bottlenecking. It tells you NOTHING about it's gaming performance, other than that it's fast enough to keep up with the card.
Yep completely missed the mark with the benchmarks I was most interested in, guess I'll have to check out a different review.
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Berserkism
your dumb
Those Premiere benchmarks were quite something. Could definitely be worth the jump from my 5820k, but not sure if I should wait another generation. Decisions, decisions...
Ascendant Nomad I have an Intel Nuc and I'm planning on building a Ryzen desktop soonish. It's definitely looking like I'm going to wait for Zen 2 though, as this is just Ryzen but a tiny bit better.
I guess you could say that it's... Zen... Plus.
Ayyyyyy(MD). Gotta say the stability counts for something with this platform though. Unless Zen 2 is stable as hell I'll be getting Zen Plus as my new build!
Ascendant Nomad That's an extremely fair point. I'd like to think that AMD has learned from the Ryzen launch, though I know that new process launches are always a bit buggy.
Zen+ is really just an update on the original chips. Zen 2 however will have major rework compared to the original and should perform quite a bit better.
saw this in my notifs with optimum tech xD
Considering one of the main benefits of Zen+ is the ability to use higher speed memory, it would be appropriate to use the fastest ram (from the same vendor and series) that will work for each. That's closer to apples-to-apples in this situation IMO.
AMD rules!
For work stations.
Thanks for the in depth analysis!
RGB = more clockspeed
And I m just get pissed of the people who say you can't game on ryzen..who the fuck see difference above 100 fps
I had this exact problem with the stock heatsink where the processor stuck to it when removing. It turns out, the heat sink compound is the issue. I replaced it with some Artic5 and haven't had any problems since. Their stock compound turns into glue when exposed to heat.
Keith Everson sounds dangerous. I would definitely put some Arctic Silver on it from day one.
Twist then pull for PGA
It didn't help. It was stuck really well. I had to give the side of the processor a "love tap" with a knife handle to pop it off afterward. I've since removed it on two separate occasions (a case change, and some troubleshooting for a friend's setup) and it's never been a problem since replacing the stock compound.
It sounds silly, but heating up the CPU before removing the heat sink helps.
This happened to me when I was building my 1700. I almost died seeing the CPU stuck to the heatsink. Thought my pins were broken an I destroyed my first computer build. Not sure if this can cause it, but my CPU is still working great a year later 👍
If anything just overclock your 1700x. I got mine stable at 4ghz with only like 1.30 volts, most x chips are very good overclockers
good video & review
Your voice is so calming... ahhhh.... it's fresh air after the overexcited youtube reviews ;)
Why would you test gaming cpu performance on 1440p and max settings? :(
To hide the difference? Like it is minimal but you still get like 10-15 fps difference compared to a 1800x, which is fairly good, tho a 8700k will give you like 40 fps more then the Zen+ CPUs.
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He is right you know...
Cs S Yeah that's kind of stupid wanna see some real reviewers watch HWU or GN or TechYes this guy doesn't know how to properly do a CPU benchmark.
Why not? That will show us that ryzen is better choice than intel cuz theres is no huge difference in performance and you get some extra cores and threads for less money also you get lower temps and more stabile fps ... Btw i wouldnt pair 1080ti with 1080p monitor...
Thanks for the comparison. I am still sitting with my i7 3770k and it feels like that I need an upgrade really badly (Video editing/photoediting/generally) :/
Damn freaking 1700x is now 149.99 at new egg. Lol
At my local Micro Center it is selling for $129.99
@@visionaireg8211 lucky u to bad micro store isn't here. In Cali but new egg raise up the price for 199 then it went back to 150 really want to go check from work to buy it lol.
@@rcrotorfreak yeap just my Ryzen 7 1700x today, hopefully there is a bigger price drop for black friday. All the best!
@@visionaireg8211 Yup! Bought 2 1700X for 129 ea.
@@rcrotorfreak I know this is a tad late but, you know you could have ordered it online? ;-)
Sitting hear thinking to just get the 1700x because its cheaper and im only getting it for gaming.
But dang that fan that comes with the 2700x is a beauty.
Although i could use that extra hundred dollars for a water cooler.
Decisions that arent something consoles have.
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where exactly is your 1700x OC results you tested bone stock 1700x no OC a OC should put side by side with the 2700x stock
At 1440p your more GPU bound test it at 1080p
😀 thx for the harsh review, plus now at Microcenter the 1700x is $130 cheaper than the second gen model, yay! 😍
8700k costs the same as the 2700x here....
and sadly most people will use after-market coolers anyways. The stock cooler just adds to the cost. Not something to brag about.
wheres ur proof that most people build ryzen pc's without aftermarket
[KSH] lol even if Intel doesn't include stock coolers on some cpus at least they let you use something other than the stock cooler on the ones that do
im not defending intel. Im just saying that I dont think paying an extra 50-100 dollars (where i live) for a stock cooler is worth it
and yes since posting this 8700k prices have gone down here
I really don't understand making FPS comparisons while nerfing the ram speed of the 2700x. It has higher ram speeds, so you should take advantage of that. No one that buys a 2700x is gonna run it at 3200 for fear of hurting their 1700x's feelings.
Why 1440p.. 1080p shows better cpu comparisons
Depending on how bad prices for graphics cards and RAM continue to be, I might be waiting until 3rd gen Ryzen.
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I like what AMD did with Ryzen with 1st gen but 2nd gen Ryzen was just like pre Ryzen Intel offerings, increased clock speeds (and this case latency improvements), little else. Should've just waited for true Ryzen 2. Only thing this will do is encourage people to buy cheaper Ryzen 1st gen chips, which isn't bad for us consumers, just don't see people buying Ryzen+ because of the little improvement. Unless AMD is simply hoping to reduce Intel chips being bought by cheaper Ryzen 1st gen chips, strategic market share planning perhaps.
Otherwise, should've waited in my opinion. Especially with Intel now taking AMD seriously and making their consumer enthusiast chips more than 6 cores now. I'm expecting Intel to be douchebags with cost though, core i9 gonna be unreasonably expensive probably.
Im not a fan of the AMD hype because intel still outperforms them but THANK YOU AMD for making Intel drop their shady prices so I can finally get a 6 core intel cpu "8700k" for $300.
my 1700 @ 3.7 can render a 12min 4k video using Sony Vegas magix mp4 codec in 12min.
why didn't you try Assassin's creed origin?
Its funny to see how “pros” get the cpu stuck up when removing the heatsink. Just a tip, always remove it when its a little hot and try to do small and slight winkles when pulling the heatsink out.
For most people, including me, the 1700 will be more than enough. 2700x is for professionals who render videos and are focused on productivity. I just play games, do photoshop and stream from time to time.
Going from the 1700X to the 2700X is not your typical scenario. A typical scenario is someone upgrading their aging Phenom II 1090T system to a Ryzen system. In which case going to the R7 2700X makes a lot of sense.
I’ve never been called good.
This video made me feel bad.
I think AMD is keeping good value. This next year things gonna heat up in Competition. Waiting for the 7nm process CPU's. As of now I am holding on to my 1700x rig. It's still great value for money. Don't we all like what's happening now between Intel and AMD?
You should always use the twist method when removing a cooler from a PGA socket. Unclip or unscrew and then rotate the heatsink to free it then lift it off.
Yea building my first pc... got a rysen i7 2700x, Msi B350 Tomahawk motherboard, CORSAIR VENGEANCE LED 64GB RAM, Evga 850 80+ Gold, 8Tb Seagate barracuda, Adata Su800 512gb ssd, and a Evga Geforce gtx 1060 ssc. My last part comes in on Tuesday. Wish me luck lol.
I'm glad that you were able to put down the Dyson vacuum for long enough to run those benchmarks :)
You saved me some money. Had a 470 board and seriously considered buying the 2700x but got the 1700x instead. Thanks!
I believe that the best option, if they already have in their teams the first generation, wait for the series 3000 or 4 thousand in the following years or scale from a Ryzen 3 to a 5 or 7.
I think I have to disagree with your statement saying the x470 isn't a huge leap over the x370 with regards to the X470's memory compatibility that I've been seeing.
Its also poor choice to review the speeds at only 3200 vs 3200, since one of the benefits of the 2700x is that it can support higher memory speeds
Wouldn't it have made more sense to also show the OC results for the 1700x in your comparisons?
If it's running 500mhz slower, it might show parity (or close to) between the 1700x and 2700x at the same speed.
the quality of videos with hardwarecanucks is incredible , no one comes close .. not even MKBHD , the production level is unmatched by any other UA-cam channel
Yeah
Nice review... off topic, what type of camera did you use on this footage?
You gimped the 2700x by not running the Ram at the speeds it was capable of, that's one of it's key features...
That and 1440p for testing ?
"Don't expect framerate improvements with the 2700X"... Tests at 1440p.... *facepalm*....
YOU GUYS ARE BETTER THAN THIS!!!!!! For anyone who wants real gaming info, there is a significant improvement, but you'll need to look elsewhere than here for decent gaming tests.
I love your guy's channel, but that's just noob stuff. Gotta give this vid a dislike for it. Sorry, but that's just the freaking basics.
1440p benchmarks, with some exceptions (games with a hard FPS cap) are worthless for judging the difference between CPUs. You know that lads, and the last time you did this (Sandy Bridge vs Coffee Lake video) you got called out on it and retested at 1080p (and went from a 1070 to 1080Ti IIRC).
Disappointing video for those interested in the benchmarks, to say the least.
I think Im going to change my motherboard instead, I have a r7 1700 and ever since a bios update, I can't go over 3.7GHz and even for that speed I have to max out the voltage to 1.5 because it keeps crashing with cinebench, since the beginning the cpu only went from 3.0 to 3.2 without meddling with the bios and couldn't get to 3.7 out of the box, my mobo is a gigabyte gaming k5 and I pretty much hate it... ty to flash back the bios but I can't get back my stable 3.9 OC but that's the price I paid for saving a few bucks, I should have bought the Asus hero instead
the power supply is a corsair 750w so I don't think that's the problem
Hi, I've been building my own systems for a long time, but I've always wondered... when picking components for my build, is there a difference between a gaming application and a video editing application machine? Or would the components, CPU's, RAM, GPU, etc. be basically the same?
there is a difference. video editing applications (or just content creation in general) make better use of more cores/threads. gaming has just recently moved past the sweet spot of 4 cores but it hasn't reached that level of core usage yet, or rather the benefit isn't truly there
intel still beats amd at raw gaming when you match up the newest i7 8th and 8th gen compared to amd ryzen 7's and whatnot.
But it's not like they can't be both used for the same thing. a gaming machine or video editing machine is all relative, it's what the creator wants it to be.
Especially at 4k gaming where the gpu really becomes the deciding factor.
lol imagine pull off the cpu coller and you see no CPU LOLS
this is the first time in History of Cpu's when AMD uses a better technology to build semiconductors/ CPU's 12nm vs 14nm
Help me help me help me help me I have a Asus Crosshair x470 ryzen 1700 will not post coming up with debug light for CPU red LED how to get my board to post for me with the ryzen 1700 not a second gen it's supposed to work for both generations and yet it's not a Crosshair Asus motherboards going to end up going back unless you guys suggest that I download the newest bios but I can't post into the BIOS to get it to update so I would have to use the flashback button to flash the new bios do you guys suggest I do do that
See I had a Nh-D15 from my i7 4790K, so it was more sensible to go with the 2700 non-X and buy the required mounting kit for like $7.50. It gets the same 4.2ghz at 1.425v and Max LLC, for $30 less.
Just purchased a 2600x and gigabyte gaming 7 motherboard. I think the increased clock speeds and threads are definitely worth the upgrade. Plus I sold my old shit and paid for 2/3 of the new setup.
Atomic_Flounder you messed up on purchasing a gigabyte mb.
bruh, i just realized that this man looks exactly like 6 dogs
I think the best upgrade for AMD users would be the ones who bought a 1600X or lower and want to move up to 2700X. This would be the best side by side generation jump. 1700X to 2700X might not be worth it unless you can find a decent buyer for the 1700X and offset the cost.
You test games at 1440p max details and wonder why there is little fps difference? That is a noob mistake. at 1440p the onus is on the GPU, taking the CPU out of the equation for the most part. Do a 1080p and max details for a better performance difference and more realistic results.
Why didn't you include overclock results for the 1700x as well as stock results? We all know the 1700x is going to be slower as it has lower clock speeds out of the box and by not giving us overclocked results we don't really know how much things have improved.
Why you comparing it to last gen? Compare it to the 8700k so people can see a 6c12t put a beating on that 8c16(fake)t cpu. I mean come on, educate the people with real knowledge. Don't be a tool bro.
I wasn't expecting a huge improvement compared to the 1700X. The 2700X is "1700X Version 2". Not like 2 times the power of 1700X.
You straight away blame the mounting configuration for the failure to separate the cooler from the IHS. I wonder if someone in the YT community has actually ever considered if both the thermal compound properties and mounting forces for those coolers are within the mounting system specs by the manufacturer. I'm not implying this is a new problem, only that the blame is always cast on the mount system while probably the problem is not correctly understood.
If you have a 1st gen Ryzen, its way too soon to upgrade. You can get a good 5 years out of it and wait till 4th or 5th gen Ryzen comes out. I still use my Ryzen 1700 65W in my low profile build and will be using it for a long time to come.
which one is better for engineering Student like Architecture Engineering (Ryzen 1700 or Ryzen 2700) ? cause I am making My friend a new PC so please lemme know? :)
Your problem is because you ran it at 1440p all the other reviewers like GN and Hardwareunboxed or even TechYES all the reviews they did were at 1080p to really see the real fps differences.