John Williams plays Sor Studies 17 to 19
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Now unavailable, here are the 20 studies by Fernando Sor, played by the monster of molten metal, the Australian God of the Guitar, the ultimate shredding machine, John Williams.
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The 17th it's a master piece, resembles so much to Schubert. So beautiful! Perfect in its conception. My father used to play it when I was a kid, seated on grandma's old sofa in our living room, a soft light shining over him and his guitar, the music coming out gently from his hands, making me love classical music as I love it now and I will till my last breath. Unforgettable memories from my childhood...
+Paul Brennan Thanks for sharing your story Paul. No 17 probably requires the most sheer stamina, for both hands, than any other in Sor's canon. Your Dad must have been very proud to learn it. Best wishes from London - Steve
Mojo Risin Thank you for your comment, Steve. I'm working on an orchestration of several Sor's studios for string chamber orchestra. I've selected four of them to mimic a sonata form, and the 17th studio will be part of it for sure! Now I'm seeking for a young orchestra to perform it for the first time. I'll let you know when I finally get it
+Paul Brennan How's your quest comin along? I'd love to hear it! :)
+Abrigar *coming
+Abrigar still looking for an orchestra, but my orchestration is almost finished. I humbly think is going to sound great!
Amazing interpretation ever !!!!
17 is exquisite then you hear 19 and wow. The trick on 19 is to use the least amount of pressure on each barr chord of the left hand or your hand will be too tired to continue. I studied these in the late 80s.
18 is very hard - 3 flats
Bravo
A lovely old vinyl recording and the great John Williams ,absolute magic !!
17 - 00:00 / 18 - 02:57 / 19 - 06:03
John Williams is the ultimate master of the classical guitar.
Oui je suis d'accord, car je le suis depuis la fin des années 60, mais Julian Bream n'est pas à négliger, ni Le regretté Roland Dyens...
For those who missed the memo, this was from Williams' first album, produced when he was 17.
Soemething to keep in mind when you criticize.
Well said that man!!
Lawson English..There is an ultra Yepes supporter who does all the criticizing. Rest all we are listening. Beautiful stuff.
Oh, don't pay attention to Yepes' grandson.
Me encanta Fernando Sor y me lleva a la infancia cuando estudiaba guitarra en el Conservatorio. No me canso de escuchar este estudio. Gracias por subirlo Mojo Risin
just love the early Williams recordings..yes before the sMALLMAN era..long live the fleta
Thanks for sharing! However, shouldn't this be titled 'Study 11' from Op. 6 that you start with?
Fernando Sor
(1778-1839, España):
Estudio en mi menor, op. 6, nr. 11
Étude in E minor, Op. 6, No. 11 (from 12 etudes).
Andrés Segovia, in his famous Collection of 20 Estudios by Sor, named this as „Étude no. 17“, but this is a very wrong and embarrasing fact.
from Jose Sepulveda, the Hermeterec........The Beethoven of the guitar! Even the formidable Dionisio Aguado admitted that he was no match for Sors as a composer and Aguado was a VERY good composer himself. The gracious Sors who was no mean guitarist himself rejoined that he wished that he could play as well as could Aguado. A mutual admiration society! At any rate they greatly respected each other as well they might have.
I almost cried of the idea that I would never be able to play them as beautifully.
thank you so much for putting this up. I have the music in front of me and it is very helpefull to have a proper recording to listen to while i read the music. thanks again
So BEAUTIFUL ! ! ! Thank you for posting !
Yup- number 18’s next on my list. Most classic guitar music’s in sharp keys- FS offers the flats. When I studied the flute this was glaringly clear, a definite disadvantage in sight reading and technique for guitarists. Master the FS studies and you’ll be a good player.
Thanks Mojo for posting these. A great resource for students learning this classic collection.
Hi Mojo, Thanks for sharing this recordings. I use this 17 - 19 link at 3. page in my Graduation work ,,Guitar estudios" at Prague conservatory. I think that this interpretation (all 20 estudios) is the best. Better then Yepes version. Much more dynamics range, many feelings....with greetings from Prague
Pavel Bláha
I do think David Starobin and David Russell may be pretty close to ultimate though, I guess...
Lovely. My first guitar record was J Williams playing Sor studies! Still struggling to play them nicely enough myself!
oh yeah, and those Assad brothers,man oh man..
I have to say, your commentary "monster of molten metal", "the ultimate shredding machine" cracks me up. But seriously, #17 and #19 were my very two favorites of the Sor studies in the mid to late 70s, and then later, when I was learning classical guitar. Yes, they're challenging. #17 requires really precise, fine control of arpeggios, and #19 is an endurance test for the left hand while requiring such a delicate touch with the right hand. But what really makes these two is dynamics. I have fond memories of Williams' performance of these 2 pieces because his rendition was the first time I ever heard them. Christopher Parkening's was the 2nd. But I honestly don't think either of them gets #19 right. They play the individual notes of the arpeggios too close to the same volume, with only slight emphasis on the melody. Of course the volume and tone should rise and fall approaching depending on if the music is approaching or receding from a crescendo (the word seems too strong for these 2 studies), but if one gets one fingers so well trained and conditioned that you don't have to pay any attention to technique and just play the music, especially with #19 you may find those descending arpeggios are also descending in volume, and they wash over you like waves of some kind of divine, angelic beauty. #19 really is really sublime, more so than this recording conveys, or Parkening's either. But I'm sure a few other guitarists other there have done it justice.
Parkening record only study 17. Less dynamics then Williams and not so well arpeggio playing.
I wonder how many studies it would be wise to spend time on... If one thoroughly studied Carcassi, Sor, Villa Lobos, Giuliani, Aguado, Brouwer, and more before attempting major repertoire it would take years. Maybe it would be best to pick about 10 which represent your weak areas? Some are good music. Others would be boring to an audience.
The tone isn't great, but it's a good interpretation.
Let me just quote you from one of your comments - "I am classical guitar virtuoso, I have one cd to my credit and I have also written many tunes"
Since your such a virtuoso I would love to hear your interpretation of these Sor studies!
I know all in this page are talking about guitar or pieces that are with guitar but could someone, please, tell if there is any recording of this song on cello o violin. thank you very much
I believe this is from a Westminster recording of the 1960's. It is worth it to hunt this record down. Anyone studying the Sor 20 studies must listen to this record!
from Jose'..."Timo"...Sepulveda.....this to 31041955......overrated my ASS...!!!!
I used to play study #17 & 19 in my college. The days had already passed over 25 years. Today I happened to listen over the radios in the morning. I was really glad as if I'd met an old friends.
It was short but wonderful moment.
The pitch is high by a couple cents.
Beyond the superb! If I could play number 17( the one I like most) half as good, I'd be magic.
Fernando Sor!!!
+Felipe Fernandes He's the Man! I met a young woman on a week's residential guitar course in Chichester 12 years ago, who adored Sor so much she had this picture of him on the wall of her bedroom. I guess I can see the appeal, he has a Heathcliff quality about him. Perhaps he was the Jim Morrison of his day :)
has anyone suggested that the turntable may be a tad fast on all of these? The pitch seems too high. I don't recall this recording sounding exactly like this.
Mike Harris doesn't matter to me, i absolutely love when the pitch is somewhere near 25 cents sharp or flat of A=440
Sor est un trés grand compositeur au delà de la guitare qu'il magnifie. J'avais découvert John Williams lors de la parution de son disque sur les études en... 1979
oui et j'ai toujours ce disque...!
Non pardon je crois que c'était plutôt fin 1960...Le temps passe...
People keep talkin' about , "ooo, this guy is ultimate master, blah blah." Don't they realize the real masters were back then, Guiliani, Tarrega, Sor, Aguado, Coste, man, those dudes would play all these present day classical artist into the ground in a heartbeat! FLAT OUT! Thanks for posting this, it is enjoyable. Since I broke my record needle I'm in a bit of a fix till figure out how to order one online. lol
how can you tell?
Linda Stukenborg Yes, I remember back in day I'd watch Giuliani play. That guy could really play the hell out of those cat guts. Imagine if he had Nylon. Same goes for Sor. That cat could kick ass, and a very nice guy. I got his autograph.
But Beethoven... That guy was a bit of a dick. He wouldn't sign my t-shirt.
the study 18 is beautiful and hard
Bitchin!!!
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Sor's studies, yes, but Segovia's supercilious editing hand at work here!
funny descrip, "the ultimate shredding machine" hahaha
what grade is study no 17?
it's in grade 8 ABRSM at the moment.
thank you
Does anyone know the opus number on these beautiful pieces?
It's called study n°17 but actually it's the Op 6 of the Etude No 11
No, Guiliani, Regondi, and Tarrega were the ultimate shredders!!!
Where are recordings of them? I want proof!
On David Russell albums! lol
Maria Luisa Anido was the ultimate shredder on classical. LIsten to her Sueno temolo starting at 0:58: ua-cam.com/video/lqlBDQKZRYA/v-deo.html I thought Yepes was fast, but she left me speechless when I first heard this.
Lawson English great performer, but I kind of meant people who composes most of what they played. lol.. just saying. I love watching the old video of her playing her arrangement of the Mozart, that’s a pretty quick thumb for a90yr old lady!
Lawson English but to your comment.. NO, she was NOT the ultimate shredder.
Nicely played of course. This is John Williams. Yet the music of Sor, even the 'estudios', remain just 'nice' and, after a few hearings, boring. A good musical backdrop for decent ladies diligently doing their needlework. Of course you can't compare apples to oranges, but listen to the études of Chopin: now THERE is music.
Henri Pelissier Oui. Dommage que Chopin n'était pas guitariste.
+Henri Pelissier Your comparing the work of two different composers of a completely different era. It is like comparing Mozarts harmony to Franz Liszt. I agree, Chopins etudes are magnificent. I think after a few hearings of any song can be boring.
Henri Pelissier I dont ever find any of Sors pieces boring ,studies 14,17 and 19 are my personal favourites though . Chopin is probably my favourite piano composer ,most definately a genius ,but i think anyone with a real love of the classical guitar will find plenty worth playing or at least listening to from Fernando Sor .
Big applause. esp. no 17.
No way! This music frequently reaches Schubert's level. But it works better on early romantic guitar than on modern classicals.