River Log Drive
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- River drives were a standard way of moving large amounts of cut timber to sawmills during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, prior to the expansion and adoption of railroads and trucks for log transport. This clip is an excerpt from "Timber on the Move: A History of Log Moving Technology," a documentary film from the Forest History Society:
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its amazing how fast these forests bounced back though. I learned in school that the northeast has about 3 times more forested areas then it did 200 years ago. so we have made some progress.
Source? I find this hard to believe.
@@shobuddy www.dec.ny.gov/lands/4982.html By the 1880s, less than 25% of New York State remained forested.
www.dec.ny.gov/lands/309.html Today New York state is 63% forested - forests cover 18.9 million acres of our 30 million total acres.
You can do your own research, I'm sure there are books on the subject. You could even go to your local woodlot and count the growth rings on a stump. If your in the Northeast and looking at the woods, know that the forest your looking at grew up in the last 100 years. It's common knowledge among the forestry community that the entire northeast was clear-cut in the 1800's and early 1900's. It is a shame that our forests (and the wildlife that depended on them) were wiped out by the early 1900's but it's an even bigger shame that nobody reports on the positive progress we have made! All of North America is much greener today than it was 100 years ago, we've developed forestry sciences that allow us to sustainably harvest lumber in such a way that it often actually benefits wildlife and other species that require more sunlight. The water quality across the country is so much better today than it was 100 years ago. Lake Erie was considered a "dead lake" in 70's, it still has it's problems, but the quality of Lake Erie's water today is the best it's been since the industrial revolution. For some reason nobody wants to believe that we have actually gotten better in many regards.
@@CrayOutoors its not just about trees ! thats not just limited progress its destruction!
Aye. I live in the central adirondacks surrounded by 6 million acres of forest. I recall the Moose River Plains was logged out and sold to the state in the mid-1960's. Now, fifty years later its all grown back, protected as "forever wild" by the state constitution.
Imagine you have a million dollars, and then someone says "Hey, if you give me all of your money except for 1 dollar, I can make you 1000 times richer"... so you give him 999,999, then he gives you back 999 and says "there, see, you went from 1 to 1000!"
Same basic concept here. Most americans have never seen a real forest.
this is incredible footage... I'm stunned that it only has 30 views.... even that's after I've forwarded it to everyone I know!
Already has 293,977 views (Feb 09, 2021)...👍
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Thanks for the upload. Was reading Hemingway's "The sun also rises" and could not for the life of me understand the scene of him fishing at a Dam driving logs. Now with this visual I can grasp the scenery so much better!
Imagine falling in that river with all those floaters in there.
Imagine the animal living and using the river as a home?
oh my! thats dangerous work!
Living on the prairies in Saskatchewan I found this very interesting.
Excellent!
The last time I read about a log drive was in a children's book. For some reason, I only imagined 5 or 10 at a time.
man what an awesome job that would be, running log drives for over 100 miles? sign me up!
Canoed threw many lake and rivers with remains if the log flumes in Northern Ontario
And historical Fur trade routes pretty cool stuff traveling the same way they did
Im with ya man. Were all part of the long line of men, from the way long ago, to right here where we are now, working and building civilizations.
It's amazing how smart people were back then.
R.I.P. All the wildlife in that river.
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Fascinating
My kids make a log jam almost every week in the bathroom...
Makes me wanna go swimming there
As a wood worker I so wish we still did this it would have been a great job
It was very dangerous work though. Logging in general is very hazardous but being a river driver was right up there with being a soldier.
@@JamesWillmusLumber is violent. I work in a lumber yard and I do my best to respect lumber.
I can't imagine the dangers of controlling logs in a river.
I think they're showing the River Styx?
Crazy ti think theres so much wood ...now we look at the way we catch fish ...remind me of the madness
This is Berlin, N.H. the photo at the end proves it.
I hate to think of how many men lost their lives doing that :(
Thank you for showing us what enterprising, greed driven, short sighted, happy slaves we were. We can learn from our mistakes, if our mistakes don't kill us first. We could have learned so much from the native people. We've been given a paradise to live in lets live as one in peace and harmony with all.
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I'm gonna guess OSHA wouldn't much go for this in 2019. Injury rate about 100% lol
They eat when they are hungry and they drink when they are dry, get drunk whenever they're ready, get sober by an by..
Yes I have a car a computer but if I had my way I would live like a full fledged 100% self sustained mountain man this is my dream.
Alaska or northern Canada.
I wish I had this job
Mon arrière grand mère faisait la drave en 1897.
Men used to do real rewarding physical work for a living. My ass sits on excel all day everyday crunching numbers. I sometimes wish it was like the old days. Yes I know, this was incredibly dangerous work. We’ve just come so far from our natural way of life now.
Buy and read the fascinating Book by W. E. Blackhurst : Riders of the Flood. I got my copy at Amazon. If you google the title you will find sellers. This is an amazing book about logging in Pocahontas and Greenbrier Counties WV at the turn of the 1900's. Anyone who likes this video will love the book.
You'll never see men doing that kind of work nowadays at least not in this country.
I do the modern day version of this job for a living, its not quite like this, theres a lot of chains and extremely gnarly work , were still out here to an extent.
Im from British Columbia , Canada
where are you from?
the river in the pine
hahaha ! OMG I am a boom man (modern day log driver)
this is incredible to see. this is my rooooots !
nothing like smoking doobies with your boom mates, bouncing on those buoyant logs and getting into a rhythm
with a sidewinder you can use your propellor on the boat and lean against things and make your own currents with the prop wash to guide the logs , or to flip them and sorting them by species as you move.
but this is the OG shit right here fuck !
It ruduced trucking . Give it that respect .
This must have been the Brown Company of Berlin, N.H. because in the link it says New Hampshire.
I used to live in North Conway and I can remember times when you could smell the mill from there.
interesting & now 80k lbs of logs go over road to the mills via semi-s
1:48 are any of those log tugs still around or all scrapped?
there are some still on the Columbia River
Tugs now move barges up and down the river
Moosehead Lake has one I believe
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what year in this old film video
Looks apocalyptic
What year was this?
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Them're some tiny little logs. What're they gonna build with'em, bird houses?
It's pulpwood for making paper.
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wow.
lot of short logs
@edjohnston1969 It kept them from having to build massive logging roads and use thousands of trucks though. It may have not hurt the salmon much.
So the really put T.N.T. there!?
good bye the trout an salmon!!
Nice done, deforestation is ok. Look at the amount of wood required to make those piles.
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Back when men were men and OSHA was nowhere to be seen. What was the purpose of such short logs?
Joseph Astier - Shorter logs are easier to float down stream, rather than huge lumber that can cause build up and are are harder to control due to the weight
I get that....what the heck were they for? Railroad ties? Fuel?
Joseph Astier - Railroad ties, yes. Fuel sure.
Depending on the wood they would use it for bowls and such. Transporting it to populated cities for expansion, all that jazz
Asian Artichoke pulp wood for paper newsprint
this is back when pulpwood was 5 feet long, so guys could tote it on their shoulder
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And they all basically worked for nothing, worked from sunrise to sunset and pay would equate to around $2500-3000/month in today's currency
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The beginning of the end. Congratulations, earthlings.
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@s46d45m17 I assume you have a car and a computer, or at least you are using a computer that is probably powered by the very thing you condemn. We should be good stewards of our environment, I agree, but give me a break. The hypocrisy is so frustrating.
Are you in a better place now?
Yup, thats how you destroy an ecosystem. Pretty brutal.
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To anyone complaining about ruining the environment... Do you live in a mud hut and ride your bicycle everywhere?
The benefits of log running don't magically make the negative impacts disappear. Two things can be true at once.
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Unrestricted rape of nature. Oh how I miss the good old days.
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Loggers were--and in some rare cases, still are---a special breed. Technology has changed drastically. Now, a man can sit on his bottom inside a machine and remove, trim and cut to length trees, and remove the dead branches, all in one go. But there are still some whom still use horses and care about preserving the integrity of the woodlot.
As for the environments shriekers--get a grip, yeah? It was an entirely different world back then. This wasn't filmed very much past the days when racism was the norm, women couldn't vote and you couldn't legally purchase alcohol. Environmentalism didn't even exist back then, as we know it today.
we are an industrious species BUT its amazing how much they destroyed the river and forest ecosystems! with no thought. the only place you may really need wood to build a house is in the roof.
Hate to break it to you but the wood pulp for paper industry learned early that they would have to plant in order to stay in business. The world has 40% more forest than 40 years ago.
@@PhilJonesIII a bunch of trees is NOT a forest.
@@markschuette3770 40% increase NET worldwide. The world has more trees, a lot more trees. It's not all Amazon cut and burn you know. I'm not playing a one-upmanship game here but the media is very misleading on this subject.
And 40% is not a small forest either.
@@markschuette3770 Umm yeah that's kind of what makes a forest. A bunch of trees.
@@mrcompatable nope- a forest is an ecosystem- water, oxygen, carbon sequestation, wildlife, recreation, other forest products, shade, etc. all of which are actually more valuable over time than tree harvesting for lumber.
wiping out thousands of years old forests , pristine ecosystems and salmon spawning beds , and the native peoples , gruesome . Nothing to be proud of.
Do you live in a house? Do you have furniture? Do you use paper? Trees are crops. They can be grown and harvested every 50 or so years. I spent 5 years running log trucks, and you would be hard pressed to find a group of people who cared more about preserving the forest than loggers. We grew up in the woods, we work in the woods. We hunt in the woods. The woods are our home. Loggers don’t want to destroy them.
@@Bob-ed9tc great reply👌🏻
Hug a few more trees
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15 hour days. now omg 8 hrs we are being over worked we need more wages
Why is this in my recommended NOW, in March 2021?
Thank God this is now forbidden.
No wonder why Americans never been blamed for massive deforestation and being the major reason for climate change