I had a co-worker for a decade or so who was from Poland and whose family farm had a stream that ran through it. They would cut a tree or two from their forest and stash the wood in the stream. They had a map / list of the logs, and every year would go back and harvest ones that had been sunk for a decade or 2. He said the grain and coloration made them very valuable to furniture and cabinet makes.
I bet this guy was a Góral - a Polish mountaineer from Podhale or Tatra mountains. Seasoning wood under fast flowing water is popular in these regions, maybe because they have plenty of streams to do it.
That is some pretty lumber. 20 or so years ago a neighbor was pulling some sunken cypress logs from the creek behind my house. One of the logs he pulled out had my great grandfathers brand on it. Back in the day they would put their brand on the logs before they floated them down the creek or river to the sawmill. There is no telling how old that log is, my grandfather died in 1929. BTW I still have that piece of log sitting in my living room.
*150-300 years ago that whole area was a black walnut forest that got milled. Black Walnut don't even produce fruit (and walnuts) for nine years, and while you can harvest these at 35 years, you can harvest oak almost twice as fast so your great grandfathers replanted oak.*
Our shack was on the Rainbow Flowage feeding the old paper mill in Rhinelander Wisconsin. Beginning around 1900 my relatives worked for the mill. Anyone not working there worked for the brewery; the perfect combination. Anyhow the flowage was where thousands of logs floated waiting to travel up the belts before being ground to pulp. About 30 years ago, a local guy started pulling “sinkers” up out of the water. They have been down there for up to 150 years. These are cut and shipped to factories where cabinets and furniture bring the old growth trees back to life.
I live in black walnut country and see it all the time. Walnut does not have the medular rays as was seen in the center of that log. It is definitely a species of oak, but which one, I can't say.
That's definitely an oak from the medullary rays on the center quarter sawn halves. I agree with comments further down that it's likely white oak and has darkened due to tannin/iron staining from the water. Look up "bog" oaks from the UK for this sort of effect from long-term water immersion.
@@Michael-ul8bv You're absolutely right that other trees form medullary rays but walnut isn't one of them. Of the USA woods, oak is pretty unique in this video's tree appearance.
@@obiobiwan9268 I personally love the smell of those 2 woods, both in their fresh cut green state, and also working with it properly dried. Its funny how everyone has a diff taste lol Walnut should have a nice warm burnt a little smell, like baked cookies, cinnamon, a little peppery maybe lol idk but just my 2 pennies. Great vid, beautiful wood!
@@obiobiwan9268 Wood's odors can be influenced by their growing environment too (ground water uptake), but I find American Elm (urine) to be most offensive and it transfers that quality to eating utensils and bowls. Cherry, plum, and walnut smell very sweet to me, white oak is earthy/sweet to me.
I agree with all the comments that's white oak. I work with black walnut all the time here in PA and that looks nothing like any kind of walnut I've ever seen. That being said, still a very nice find.
Mr. Wallace. You did a beautiful job on your log. However it is not walnut. I don't believe it is white oak either based on the way the center of the log is cracked. A cracked center or pith happens quite a bit in black or scarlet oak. Quercus (oak genus) has multi-cellular medullary rays. That is the only North American species that has that characteristic. The quarter sawn view shows the rays very well and you will not have any of that in a walnut log. Beautiful wood. Here in PA we have many sinkers, as they are called, in the Susquehanna River because in the 19th century they were floated down the river to sawmills.
Hey Wallace & Brittany, can you do a follow-up video showing both YOUR work with it annnnd your customers creations with this log. Man, I'd love to have a table made of that!
Back in the early 1970's, my father started a company called USR Under Sea Recovery. He built a barge with a crane/winch set in the middle and a fancy drag grapple that would pull sunken logs. This was at the south east end of lake Washington near the location of an OLD sawmill. Some of the logs were absolute monsters. Most were western ceder, some were Pine or Douglas fir but a few were Maple. At that time the sawmills couldn't care less about "water logged" wood. they all wanted fresh clear grain wood. Now the entomology of the term is obvious. Back then it was money lost on everything but the Maple once he paid the labor. I recently saw a news item where someone was pulling logs from the same area and getting $10,000 a log. My Dad was 50 years ahead of the curve.
Scary story: An old customer of mine, a septugenarian lifelong cabinet maker, had finished a doctor's solid cherry cabinets with hand rubbed concoction made with beeswax. Did I mention 'hand rubbed'? Took forever. The day he came to put the hardware, he found that it was all painted blue. The doctor had changed his mind about the decor. Let's just end this story with, that dr was able to do his own colonoscopy after my old friend was done with him. Oops, I forgot to ask you to remove children from the room. Don't read them this story.
my brother has a sawmill. he cuts cypress from our Edisto river here in SC all the time. some of these logs have been cut by hand with an axe well over 100 years ago. he once found a whisky bottle in the middle of a tree a man brought him to cut up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Back in the 70s we cut and sold quite a bit of walnut to Ithaca Gun Co. I still have a deer slayer with a custom stock and forend made from a log I sold them.
My first thought was White oak. That's the only hope that will last in a stream but there is something about that that made me start thinking Walnut thinking Walnut. It's always good to smell the wood! Here Wood-Mizer LT 40 super. By the way if you decide to upgrade your mill, be sure to get a diesel. Thx for posting.
That log would look really nice if someone was to make a butcher block countertop out of it and seal it with some kind of clear epoxy resin so you can see the true beauty of the wood through it
Be careful when pulling logs out of rivers. A guy in Washington pulled a bunch out of the river down by Aberdeen and the state fisheries dept nailed him big for destroying fish habitat.
wow. I'm surprised / not suprised. I only milled construction lumber but had asked some colleagues - former lumber jacks, about using chain saw to tear away roots in order to remove tree stumps. They said that as soon as your chain hits one rock your chain needs to be resharpened. I have some mililtary friends. I'll ask them about tannerite to remove the mint that's taken over my garden.
I am a contractor that lives in south western Iowa. I am 100% positive that your log is not black walnut. The grains are too distinct for black walnut. Black walnut has a very tight grain to the point that they are hard to see in most cases. Your log looks more like white oak to me. Thanks
I just got into archery and still learning more about the science of this very ancient martial art can any bow maker's tell me if that type of wood can make a good hunting bow???
Gotta wonder Why some one would cut that down and leave it? Considering how Valuable hardwood is?? Even 15, 20, 30 years ago I can remember GRIPPING about a piece of cherry?? Ohh I needed a piece to duplicate a missing piece from an end table. Needless to say we'll?? The owner didn't want or couldn't afford it So that sit around for years until I finally reconnected with the owner asking about the table to which she said she had actually forgotten about it. ?? It was 12 some odd years since she brought it to me and Now stated to go ahead an fix it. Well I did and for close to Two hundred dollars I sourced a piece of cherry an reconditioned the table and took it back. Turns out it was her mother's grand mother's mother's over a hundred years old her upon seeing it Renewed broke out in tears grateful to see it Again What could I do? My hear strings tightened and so my choice was to give it back to her free of charge.. Enjoy my dear I wish I could have saved the photos....
Maybe flooding washed away some felled trees. Or maybe it was fallen and later cut because it was blocking something.. so many possible stories with a river system involved anything is possible I suppose hey? Its cool to hear of how historic and sentimental wood can be. The stories some pieces could tell! :)
walnut is resistant to rot...In FACT....in early American Colonials times....English considered American walnut inferior to make furniture from and instead was used for fence and rail posts. When railroads started to be built in the US...walnut was the preferred wood to make railroad ties from. Later in coal mines there wasn't enough walnut posts, and it was used by the smarter Americans (than the arrogant British) as furniture wood...but mostly by pioneers and frontiersmen. So, the coal mines used locust posts for timbers and also farmers for fence posts.
I absolutely love watching a wood mill, I’m 63 now and I’ve worked in the bush cutting wood when I was way younger. And I still stop and watch anything wood mill related, wood to me is the most beautiful material in this planet.
I had a co-worker for a decade or so who was from Poland and whose family farm had a stream that ran through it. They would cut a tree or two from their forest and stash the wood in the stream. They had a map / list of the logs, and every year would go back and harvest ones that had been sunk for a decade or 2. He said the grain and coloration made them very valuable to furniture and cabinet makes.
I bet this guy was a Góral - a Polish mountaineer from Podhale or Tatra mountains. Seasoning wood under fast flowing water is popular in these regions, maybe because they have plenty of streams to do it.
Your getting good at yapping and dragging out a video... almost professional
Pretty sure it wrong mr oak
Oak
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That is some pretty lumber. 20 or so years ago a neighbor was pulling some sunken cypress logs from the creek behind my house. One of the logs he pulled out had my great grandfathers brand on it. Back in the day they would put their brand on the logs before they floated them down the creek or river to the sawmill. There is no telling how old that log is, my grandfather died in 1929. BTW I still have that piece of log sitting in my living room.
*150-300 years ago that whole area was a black walnut forest that got milled. Black Walnut don't even produce fruit (and walnuts) for nine years, and while you can harvest these at 35 years, you can harvest oak almost twice as fast so your great grandfathers replanted oak.*
Our shack was on the Rainbow Flowage feeding the old paper mill in Rhinelander Wisconsin. Beginning around 1900 my relatives worked for the mill. Anyone not working there worked for the brewery; the perfect combination. Anyhow the flowage was where thousands of logs floated waiting to travel up the belts before being ground to pulp. About 30 years ago, a local guy started pulling “sinkers” up out of the water. They have been down there for up to 150 years. These are cut and shipped to factories where cabinets and furniture bring the old growth trees back to life.
Yeah, sure, aint like it used to be up. I've been going up to the Hazelhurst area for years. Water levels Will never be like that ever again
When ever I did projects with old walnut I would end up with a bronchial infection.
I live in black walnut country and see it all the time. Walnut does not have the medular rays as was seen in the center of that log. It is definitely a species of oak, but which one, I can't say.
I agree, it is Oak, I believe it's White oak but can't be sure withoput a better quality close up
@@buckburton7318is there such a thing as black oak?
I also agree. In the oak family for sure. Probably white oak. Perhaps darkened a bit from being water logged.
You are right my friend. I believe it is white oak. But I am pretty sure it ain’t walnut.
That walnut is beautiful. I love the colors and in it.
Now you are sawing logs like I saw every day . God Bless y'all and have a great day
What a beautiful surprise in that old river log!!!
Theyve been pulling some logs out of the great lakes that are 100-150 years old. Amazing grain patterns that you don't see in todays lumber.
That's definitely an oak from the medullary rays on the center quarter sawn halves. I agree with comments further down that it's likely white oak and has darkened due to tannin/iron staining from the water. Look up "bog" oaks from the UK for this sort of effect from long-term water immersion.
Are u thinking white oak? But I absolutely have seen modularity rays in other species.
@@Michael-ul8bv You're absolutely right that other trees form medullary rays but walnut isn't one of them. Of the USA woods, oak is pretty unique in this video's tree appearance.
I want to smell the wood. Walnut smells like dirt, Oak smells like pee (at least to me)
@@obiobiwan9268 I personally love the smell of those 2 woods, both in their fresh cut green state, and also working with it properly dried. Its funny how everyone has a diff taste lol Walnut should have a nice warm burnt a little smell, like baked cookies, cinnamon, a little peppery maybe lol idk but just my 2 pennies. Great vid, beautiful wood!
@@obiobiwan9268 Wood's odors can be influenced by their growing environment too (ground water uptake), but I find American Elm (urine) to be most offensive and it transfers that quality to eating utensils and bowls. Cherry, plum, and walnut smell very sweet to me, white oak is earthy/sweet to me.
I agree with all the comments that's white oak. I work with black walnut all the time here in PA and that looks nothing like any kind of walnut I've ever seen. That being said, still a very nice find.
Someone could make that into a beautiful furniture piece, maybe a coffee table. :)
Oh my I knew that was walnut wow one gorgeous piece !!!!❤❤❤
That is beautiful. I am sure that makes being a sawmill really enjoyable when you get to cut wood like that.
It really is!
Looking at the sawdust made me think of the man who mixes sawdust and Portland cement to make walls.
Mr. Wallace. You did a beautiful job on your log. However it is not walnut. I don't believe it is white oak either based on the way the center of the log is cracked. A cracked center or pith happens quite a bit in black or scarlet oak. Quercus (oak genus) has multi-cellular medullary rays. That is the only North American species that has that characteristic. The quarter sawn view shows the rays very well and you will not have any of that in a walnut log. Beautiful wood. Here in PA we have many sinkers, as they are called, in the Susquehanna River because in the 19th century they were floated down the river to sawmills.
Great job Tyler & Brit. Enjoyed it.
Black walnut is stunning 😍
Hey Wallace & Brittany, can you do a follow-up video showing both YOUR work with it annnnd your customers creations with this log. Man, I'd love to have a table made of that!
I like watching a myriad of videos. But once in a while a sawmill video comes up and I am an pledged and this was pretty wood. Tfs.
I have a marlin 35 deer rifle of black walnut no finish except gun oil. It is the prettiest gun I own. Just a beautiful wood.
I'm glad you cut it just slabs and might finish the edges with a big power saw or let the customer decide. That would be a great dinner table or bar.
Back in the early 1970's, my father started a company called USR Under Sea Recovery. He built a barge with a crane/winch set in the middle and a fancy drag grapple that would pull sunken logs. This was at the south east end of lake Washington near the location of an OLD sawmill. Some of the logs were absolute monsters. Most were western ceder, some were Pine or Douglas fir but a few were Maple. At that time the sawmills couldn't care less about "water logged" wood. they all wanted fresh clear grain wood. Now the entomology of the term is obvious. Back then it was money lost on everything but the Maple once he paid the labor. I recently saw a news item where someone was pulling logs from the same area and getting $10,000 a log. My Dad was 50 years ahead of the curve.
He is one lucky guy to work with that, I was cabinet maker for over 50 years and I only worked with it twice, wow it does come up good
Scary story: An old customer of mine, a septugenarian lifelong cabinet maker, had finished a doctor's solid cherry cabinets with hand rubbed concoction made with beeswax. Did I mention 'hand rubbed'? Took forever. The day he came to put the hardware, he found that it was all painted blue. The doctor had changed his mind about the decor. Let's just end this story with, that dr was able to do his own colonoscopy after my old friend was done with him. Oops, I forgot to ask you to remove children from the room. Don't read them this story.
Pretty sure that is oak. I have thousands of feet of walnut and have never seen medullary rays like that in walnut.
I agree I have never seen rays in wallnut
I agree, I believe that is an Oak log, I worked for 54 years in the fancy Hardwood Plywood business and I've never seen rays like that in Walnut.
Agreed.
I agree. Oak
Yea, Walnut DOES NOT HAVE medulary rays like oak does. Even qtr sawn walnut doesn't look like that. Stick with the oak.
Simply gorgeous!
The grain pattern is incredible!! 👍
Curly walnut. Very interesting!
My Grandparents had a Study/Den done in Walnut paneling .......Loved that room.....
Best looking lumber great grain looks magic
my brother has a sawmill. he cuts cypress from our Edisto river here in SC all the time. some of these logs have been cut by hand with an axe well over 100 years ago. he once found a whisky bottle in the middle of a tree a man brought him to cut up,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
It’s a perfect match to the black walnut I have in my house 🏡
Very nice viedo! Nice piece of wood
Back in the 70s we cut and sold quite a bit of walnut to Ithaca Gun Co. I still have a deer slayer with a custom stock and forend made from a log I sold them.
Beautiful
My first thought was White oak. That's the only hope that will last in a stream but there is something about that that made me start thinking Walnut thinking Walnut. It's always good to smell the wood!
Here Wood-Mizer LT 40 super. By the way if you decide to upgrade your mill, be sure to get a diesel. Thx for posting.
Thanks for watching! We want a bigger diesel Woodmizer!
Looks like a beauty … !
Make a Park bench with a beer top varnish. That would really make the color in the grains pop.
Very beautiful lumber
will be great to see it when it's dry and planed🙂
It’s beautiful for sure. Make some nice gunstocks.
Very.cool.looking.patren.BRAVO.❤
That is beautiful!
Nice oak log. Def not black walnut. The rays are signature of oak. I saw many oaks. Nice vid
They rays do seem like oak. The river did some odd things to it for sure.
Beautiful Quartersawn OAK.
No matter oak species or some sort of walnut it very cool
That log would look really nice if someone was to make a butcher block countertop out of it and seal it with some kind of clear epoxy resin so you can see the true beauty of the wood through it
Be careful when pulling logs out of rivers. A guy in Washington pulled a bunch out of the river down by Aberdeen and the state fisheries dept nailed him big for destroying fish habitat.
Nice log for sure after it dries it will be beautiful.
Professionally speaking leave it to dry a full year.
And will be nicer.
I've only milled a couple lake logs and they both were full of fine sand. Ate up my blades pretty good.
This one wasn’t too bad!
wow. I'm surprised / not suprised. I only milled construction lumber but had asked some colleagues - former lumber jacks, about using chain saw to tear away roots in order to remove tree stumps. They said that as soon as your chain hits one rock your chain needs to be resharpened. I have some mililtary friends. I'll ask them about tannerite to remove the mint that's taken over my garden.
That is super awesome
Out of the room, I thought I heard Clint from the Dread Nots talking about pulling cypress out of the river…😂
Beautiful grain, sir
Beautiful.
Looks like a red oak that’s been underwater for 20 years. Nice rays. Doesn’t look like walnut.
Beautiful sinker. You only get a few of these in a lifetime.
Love that beautiful wood. Hope your richer fans give you some 4k cam. :)
Ĵust love ,Black WALNUT beautiful 😍.
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Looks so nice,wish I had a piece of it,…lol
Make a nice counter in Curly's Tavern!
I would agree it’s definitely a hardwood like oak I’m 100% sure it’s not walnut!
I have never seen medullary ray as strong as that in walnut, only in oak.
Really enjoy your content.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!
Nice wood!!
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I take that is what black walnut looks like
I'm going with white oak. Pity you planked it. Great beam in there
I'm making a bar for my man shed , i would love two sheets of that for the top of the bar please.
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I am a contractor that lives in south western Iowa. I am 100% positive that your log is not black walnut. The grains are too distinct for black walnut. Black walnut has a very tight grain to the point that they are hard to see in most cases. Your log looks more like white oak to me. Thanks
That grain would make beautiful bowl or plater. Do you sell pieces that could be turned?
Yeah, the quarter sawn slabs looked beautiful but didn't look like a ton of savable product?
But man, that log was straight as an arrow.
In Southwest Wisconsin there is alot that here.
I just got into archery and still learning more about the science of this very ancient martial art can any bow maker's tell me if that type of wood can make a good hunting bow???
Gotta wonder Why some one would cut that down and leave it? Considering how Valuable hardwood is?? Even 15, 20, 30 years ago I can remember GRIPPING about a piece of cherry?? Ohh I needed a piece to duplicate a missing piece from an end table. Needless to say we'll?? The owner didn't want or couldn't afford it So that sit around for years until I finally reconnected with the owner asking about the table to which she said she had actually forgotten about it. ?? It was 12 some odd years since she brought it to me and Now stated to go ahead an fix it. Well I did and for close to Two hundred dollars I sourced a piece of cherry an reconditioned the table and took it back. Turns out it was her mother's grand mother's mother's over a hundred years old her upon seeing it Renewed broke out in tears grateful to see it Again What could I do? My hear strings tightened and so my choice was to give it back to her free of charge.. Enjoy my dear I wish I could have saved the photos....
Maybe flooding washed away some felled trees. Or maybe it was fallen and later cut because it was blocking something.. so many possible stories with a river system involved anything is possible I suppose hey? Its cool to hear of how historic and sentimental wood can be. The stories some pieces could tell! :)
Being from Indiana and seeing lots of black walnut, my guess is that this is NOT walnut. My vote is oak.
Yeah could be walnut..I bet when the customer, Finish it it will look amazing..
Black Walnut is Extremely Expensive. That log Is worth afew thousand dollars.
I'd like a piece of that to make a beautiful guitar
I hope you sell that board to a luthier (guitar maker) I looks like it would make an outstanding sound board and top.
Reminds me more of sassafras’s grain.
I'd say black walnut also is it hard as a rock??
I have some river recovered lumber that'll blow your mind
That’s oak. How did you arrive at it being walnut?
They are called "Dead Heads"
I think it pecan especially along a river
Looks like English Walnut to me.
High dollar log right there.
RED OAK LOOKING MORE SO
The tannins in water darken the wood
Rare black oak
Sorry but that’s white oak. It’s been darkened by the river. Still an amazing cut.
Oh my that grain is beautiful, walnut, yes.Wanda In N E Ok
Walnut doesn't have those rays ,,, it's a white oak
walnut is resistant to rot...In FACT....in early American Colonials times....English considered American walnut inferior to make furniture from and instead was used for fence and rail posts. When railroads started to be built in the US...walnut was the preferred wood to make railroad ties from. Later in coal mines there wasn't enough walnut posts, and it was used by the smarter Americans (than the arrogant British) as furniture wood...but mostly by pioneers and frontiersmen. So, the coal mines used locust posts for timbers and also farmers for fence posts.
Red oak
The smell is going to tell y’all it’s walnut. Has grain like oak??
Purty!!!
Wouldn't it be wise to scan it with a metal detector, before unleashing the blade? ($) 🤔
That is definitely oak!
I absolutely love watching a wood mill, I’m 63 now and I’ve worked in the bush cutting wood when I was way younger. And I still stop and watch anything wood mill related, wood to me is the most beautiful material in this planet.
Beautiful
Red oak