Here is the parts list: ombwarehouse.com and staton-inc.com are the 2 vendors I used. OMB Warehouse: Quanity 2 - 424385 Premium 5/8" x 1 - 3/8" sealed flange bearings.......... 1- 41803 5/8" Keyed Jack Shaft x 10" length........... 1 - 455658 Aluminum Sprocket 36 tooth, #35 chain (P5256)........... 1 - 454799 Steel Mini - Hub 5/8" bore, (P5256 Pattern) 3 hole on 1-11/16" bolt circle, 3/16 key............. 4 - 739701 Vintage Shaft Collars 5/8"............. 1 - 418583 3/16 x 3/16 x 12" Keystock ( get it for $2 and cut your own keys). Okay the final piece is the inner jack shaft small sprocket from Staton-Inc. It is a 10 tooth, 5/8" bore, 415 "B type" chain sprocket. Staton's product ID is 2374, it sells for $11.93. Total cost is about $55 to $70. You'll also need 3 locking flange bolts and nuts 1/4 - 20 x 1 inch or what ever you choose and some blue thread locker.
@TyroneBarger Yes, same parts, only difference will the length of shaft. The AT is longer. But you buy a 12" shaft and cut it down to size, leaving a tad extra for good measure.
A gearbox attachment to the engine will reduce the speed of the chain which will reduce chain derailment. I use a 2 stroke chainsaw to power my rig and it definitely needs a reduction gearbox.
Excellent video my man! Bravo 👏! This looks like a great set up and better built than the stock jackshaft from phatmoto company itself. I'm going to do this set up on my phatmoto as well. I have seen your part list. Now my questions are when you install the bearings on the 5/8 shaft and put them in the jackshaft holder of the bike. How did you get the bearings inside on the shaft? Did you use a press tool? Once the bearings are inside of the shaft holder will the bearings stay in place or should I put a lock collar on the inside of the bearings to hold them in place? Or will they be okay as is and won't shift around on the inside of the shaft holder? Also, do you think it would be okay if I use a 12 tooth 41 chain sprocket instead of a 12 tooth 415 chain sprocket? I don't want a chain upgrade damaging my bike or any other parts like the chain tensioners for example? What do you think? Once again thank you for taking your time making this video and sharing this hardcore jackshaft with us all! ;)
Thanks for watching. If the shaft and the bearings are to tight or to lose, use cold and heat to help. Putting the bearings in the freezer will shrink them down as will the shaft become smaller. I don't recommend heating the bearings but a heat gun helps. The rubber seals should be removed before any heat is used. I would use the collars as a safety option especially on a keyed shaft, ( the bolt on shaft is not the best way of keeping it in, to easy to ruin the bearing).Yes, its okay to use a 41 sprocket. I don't understand how can a chain upgrade damage anything? Anyway with a quality pre stretched race chain the chain tensioner is not needed. Race chain is what you should run, stay away from the Chinese made 415, or 41 chain, it is inferior and will only cause premature wear on sprockets and let you down.
This is great to know! Thanks for replying back on this info. Much appreciated! If I have any other questions you are the man I'm going to ask!!! Pleasant riding my friend and be safe. :)
Use the screw of the collar as a key. Sometimes I replace the Allen screw with a small bolt or make it a 1/4” bolt so you can tighten it better on the key way of the shaft.
@@1966stihl Sorry, I am a little confused. I never used a double set screw collar. I did however use 2 single collars side by side, is that what you are referencing?
On your video you pouted to a collar that had two set screws on it you turned the shaft and pointed out both set screws on one collar it would be locking collar then sprocket the double locking collar one for shaft one foe key the rear sprocket then locking collar the surport then last your double locking on other side you said only need one I hope this helps
Well if you have a stock 2020 through 2023 Rover or All Terrain, the clutch to jack shaft is a #35. The jack shaft to rear sprocket is a 415 chain. If you have a stock 2019 Rover then the clutch to jack shaft is a 415 chain and the jack shaft to rear sprocket is a 415 chain.
Amazingly done. I have yet to touch my jackshaft im terrified of pressing them back in. What grease did you use and did you keep the stick ball bearings ? Last have you considered putting in a bolt into the key JUST on case you locks slip? Just for peace of mind 👍 Great build im going with this idea no doubt!
The new bearings are ever so slightly smaller than the stock Chinese, so they go in easier with a small block of wood and some light tapping and they are in. The lock collars make sure they don't come out. The grease is the red high temp, high pressure wheel bearing grease you buy any where. Yes, you can always put a small bolt in, in place of set screw if you desire. I do believe the blue loctite will hold if allowed to set 24 hrs. Say you go with the 15 mm stock size 6202-2rs. Which go in super tight. You can make a simple press with a threaded rod and very large washers to cover outside of bearing and nuts. You simply tighten down the nuts and it slowly presses bearing into place, works good. What makes this kit so good is the ability to purchase sprockets American made in just about any tooth count you desire. The stock set up is what you are stuck with, if you can even buy replacement sprockets.
Ok nice video. I am just confused as to why you changed the jack shaft. Was it just because you could easily swap from sprocket or was it about performance?
It was basically for the ability to change out sprockets. The 2019 model's came with a 15 mm keyed shaft and a 36 tooth, 415 chain sprocket. 15 mm sprockets are rare, as 5/8 " sprockets and mini hubs are plentiful. The 2020, 21, 22, 23, 24 models use a bolt on spline style sprocket which are no where to be found. If that 36 tooth spline sprocket wears out, Phatmoto will only sell a complete jack shaft kit for $70 which is a waste. So changing out the jack shaft to a unit that allows for cheap sprocket changes is a no brainer.
10:37 red locktite can also be removed with a micro torch. Concentrated heat works fantastic. Also a trick I’ve used for RC cars that make 50+ hp
Oh nice with these parts I should be able to rig up a right-side input for my diesel engine.
Here is the parts list: ombwarehouse.com and staton-inc.com are the 2 vendors I used. OMB Warehouse: Quanity 2 - 424385 Premium 5/8" x 1 - 3/8" sealed flange bearings.......... 1- 41803 5/8" Keyed Jack Shaft x 10" length........... 1 - 455658 Aluminum Sprocket 36 tooth, #35 chain (P5256)........... 1 - 454799 Steel Mini - Hub 5/8" bore, (P5256 Pattern) 3 hole on 1-11/16" bolt circle, 3/16 key............. 4 - 739701 Vintage Shaft Collars 5/8"............. 1 - 418583 3/16 x 3/16 x 12" Keystock ( get it for $2 and cut your own keys). Okay the final piece is the inner jack shaft small sprocket from Staton-Inc. It is a 10 tooth, 5/8" bore, 415 "B type" chain sprocket. Staton's product ID is 2374, it sells for $11.93. Total cost is about $55 to $70. You'll also need 3 locking flange bolts and nuts 1/4 - 20 x 1 inch or what ever you choose and some blue thread locker.
Same list for 24 all terrain?
@TyroneBarger Yes, same parts, only difference will the length of shaft. The AT is longer. But you buy a 12" shaft and cut it down to size, leaving a tad extra for good measure.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles thank you
A gearbox attachment to the engine will reduce the speed of the chain which will reduce chain derailment. I use a 2 stroke chainsaw to power my rig and it definitely needs a reduction gearbox.
Excellent video my man! Bravo 👏! This looks like a great set up and better built than the stock jackshaft from phatmoto company itself. I'm going to do this set up on my phatmoto as well. I have seen your part list. Now my questions are when you install the bearings on the 5/8 shaft and put them in the jackshaft holder of the bike. How did you get the bearings inside on the shaft? Did you use a press tool? Once the bearings are inside of the shaft holder will the bearings stay in place or should I put a lock collar on the inside of the bearings to hold them in place? Or will they be okay as is and won't shift around on the inside of the shaft holder? Also, do you think it would be okay if I use a 12 tooth 41 chain sprocket instead of a 12 tooth 415 chain sprocket? I don't want a chain upgrade damaging my bike or any other parts like the chain tensioners for example? What do you think? Once again thank you for taking your time making this video and sharing this hardcore jackshaft with us all! ;)
Thanks for watching. If the shaft and the bearings are to tight or to lose, use cold and heat to help. Putting the bearings in the freezer will shrink them down as will the shaft become smaller. I don't recommend heating the bearings but a heat gun helps. The rubber seals should be removed before any heat is used. I would use the collars as a safety option especially on a keyed shaft, ( the bolt on shaft is not the best way of keeping it in, to easy to ruin the bearing).Yes, its okay to use a 41 sprocket. I don't understand how can a chain upgrade damage anything? Anyway with a quality pre stretched race chain the chain tensioner is not needed. Race chain is what you should run, stay away from the Chinese made 415, or 41 chain, it is inferior and will only cause premature wear on sprockets and let you down.
This is great to know! Thanks for replying back on this info. Much appreciated! If I have any other questions you are the man I'm going to ask!!! Pleasant riding my friend and be safe. :)
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@@mikeymike7233 Thanks, I do appreciate you.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles 🤙💯
The 3 bolts are 1/4 x 20 x 1 inch Grade 8 flange bolts and locking flange nuts. The 3 bolt pattern (p5256)
Use the screw of the collar as a key. Sometimes I replace the Allen screw with a small bolt or make it a 1/4” bolt so you can tighten it better on the key way of the shaft.
And more pics of your service stand thanks
Very good idea, I'll do it.
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles can't find that double set screw collar anywhere
@@beaubrummelmotorizedbicycles I found everything else but that
@@1966stihl Sorry, I am a little confused. I never used a double set screw collar. I did however use 2 single collars side by side, is that what you are referencing?
On your video you pouted to a collar that had two set screws on it you turned the shaft and pointed out both set screws on one collar it would be locking collar then sprocket the double locking collar one for shaft one foe key the rear sprocket then locking collar the surport then last your double locking on other side you said only need one I hope this helps
In the video I say "stock phatmoto" what I meant was stock phatmoto gear ratio.
Yes time will tell for sure 😉😉 hopefully they all get what you we're trying to say about the stock phatmoto gear ratio
I am getting your list together and I'm looking for the part # for the double set screw collar for jackshaft I'm I missing it?
Sweet it looks awesome too😁😁
Thanks Kasey, it works outstanding. We'll see if it holds up in the long run.
Sorry wrong post lol I’m dumb I replied to the wrong post
Everything's cool,
What is the size of the chain I lost mine and can’t find the right one
Well if you have a stock 2020 through 2023 Rover or All Terrain, the clutch to jack shaft is a #35. The jack shaft to rear sprocket is a 415 chain. If you have a stock 2019 Rover then the clutch to jack shaft is a 415 chain and the jack shaft to rear sprocket is a 415 chain.
So are you saying i should change to a 41 chain on my all stock phatmoto all terrain 2024?
@@Typhoon1026 No
You should run a high quality 415 race chain.
Amazingly done. I have yet to touch my jackshaft im terrified of pressing them back in. What grease did you use and did you keep the stick ball bearings ? Last have you considered putting in a bolt into the key JUST on case you locks slip? Just for peace of mind 👍
Great build im going with this idea no doubt!
The new bearings are ever so slightly smaller than the stock Chinese, so they go in easier with a small block of wood and some light tapping and they are in. The lock collars make sure they don't come out. The grease is the red high temp, high pressure wheel bearing grease you buy any where. Yes, you can always put a small bolt in, in place of set screw if you desire. I do believe the blue loctite will hold if allowed to set 24 hrs. Say you go with the 15 mm stock size 6202-2rs. Which go in super tight. You can make a simple press with a threaded rod and very large washers to cover outside of bearing and nuts. You simply tighten down the nuts and it slowly presses bearing into place, works good. What makes this kit so good is the ability to purchase sprockets American made in just about any tooth count you desire. The stock set up is what you are stuck with, if you can even buy replacement sprockets.
Ok nice video. I am just confused as to why you changed the jack shaft. Was it just because you could easily swap from sprocket or was it about performance?
It was basically for the ability to change out sprockets. The 2019 model's came with a 15 mm keyed shaft and a 36 tooth, 415 chain sprocket. 15 mm sprockets are rare, as 5/8 " sprockets and mini hubs are plentiful. The 2020, 21, 22, 23, 24 models use a bolt on spline style sprocket which are no where to be found. If that 36 tooth spline sprocket wears out, Phatmoto will only sell a complete jack shaft kit for $70 which is a waste. So changing out the jack shaft to a unit that allows for cheap sprocket changes is a no brainer.