First Take debates Dan Le Batard Show on Michael Jordan’s Bulls vs Steph Curry’s Warriors | ESPN
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2018
- Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman debate Dan Le Batard and Jon “Stugotz” Weiner about Michael Jordan’s Chicago Bulls vs. Steph Curry’s Golden State Warriors.
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Seattle still should've ran the ball
Christopher Rodriguez 😂😂😂😂
Christopher Rodriguez 😂😂😂😂😂.
Bruh 😂😂im weak i forgot about that shit
So glad they didn't..The Seahawk fans tears were sweet
impassable Not as sweet as Patriots bandwagon tears after they got torched by a backup quarterback in the super bowl.
Ppl complain and say the warriors are too GOOD it’s unfair but then go on to say they could be Beaten. They whine and complain saying the bulls aren’t a superteam, it was Jordan who made them elite, but then go on to say they are the best team of all time......Make up ur minds. That dude said the teams Jordan faced in the finals were better than the warriors? WOW, like I know ppl hate change and portray the older generations as immortal but give some credit to the newer generation sheesh
Titus Lennon why not bring those older Athletes to this generation. There are more doctors nutritionists, equipment, training, facilities etc. with technology we have more and more ways to do everything from resting to healing to even watching tapes. The new athletes are quicker albeit smaller but faster more agile, better able to handle the ball. They are way better shooters collectively. I swear ppl act like this new generation are just some kids at the YMCA. Let’s ask the bulls to defend a team from half Court
Karma Bulls would win, cuz they have the GOAT.
Ali Kobaissi the goat about to be dethroned by Lebron lmao
Ali Kobaissi the “ goat “ can’t be them by himself
ronald reagan yeah, Lebron about to match MJ numerically with 6 finals losses. Can't wait.
Lmao he took that information and went to golden state
Elite Clinical Research that’s a wack response these guys don’t take it serious 🙄
Rodrigo Arechaga Sir, that was a hilarious response. Lol..
I think he also flipped sides in the same video at the end with that last question from Stephan A
Rodrigo Arechaga Those was facts..Pat Riley said it in his book
Elite Clinical Research 😭😭😭😭
Eras are always the problem.. we’ll never know. We can say in one era or the other, one will have the advantage.
Jay Kelz no stop this era is more talented put steph curry in the 90s vs worse defence and hes a god the bulls have no match for curry on the perimeter they never seen a team that can shoot like that they wouldnt even know how to guard that many lethal shooters and most of the warriors role players would start on those bull teams.. the game is evoled
Jpgoeagles the defence on the 90s is bad???THERES MULTIPLE PEOPLE WITH DPOY BACK THEN, look at they’re size too smh
Vladimir Strought somebody wins dpoy every year what are you talking about
Jpgoeagles goddamnit he noticed
Vladimir Strought youre acting like players from the 90s were so much bugger than players from today give me a player on the bulls bigger than durant
Imagine if Karl Malone had gone to the Bulls the next after losing to them in the finals, or Tim Duncan going to the Kobe/Shaq Lakers
Dan Le Batard is totally correct. This would’ve been a great series of competition to watch. Alas we will never know
Nope. You’re talking about the best defender EVER in Rodman, Jordan, Pippen, and Harper. It be a long day for the warriors especially if hand checking is allowed, warriors don’t match up defensively. Jordan averages 40+, bulls in 6. 5 under old rules.
To be honest watching old school basketball everyone looked sooooooooo unathletic except for Michael Jordan compared to now
Maybe cause they was more skilled?
Sam Oso skill only can make up for sooooooooo much
I'll take skill over athleticism any day of the week. There are so many players in today's league that are absolute garbage. Dwight Howard who dominated from 2009-2011 would've been a complete joke in the 90s. He would never receive max contracts or whatever the max pay was during those days...
jaydexe you do realize almost half the league can't shoot or dribble for shit. Giannis is one of the best players and he can't shoot or dribble. Dwight Howard keeps getting max contracts and he's a complete joke. Capella can't shoot or dribble. Tristan Thompson? Don't even get me started on him and there's literally 100s more if you sit down and actually look. People need to stop guessing and actually do their research. The 90s/early2000s shaq would become the greatest player ever if he played in this era.
One0one Lion Shaq would get exposed Shaq was slow yea would be a automatic 2 points but if he give it right back two seconds later what the point??
You people need to open your eyes...Mahmoud Abdul rouf was basically the steph curry of the 90s...and he held his own in a system that didnt cater to his style of play. And he still. Had a game or 2 where he lit up mj and the bulls one on one. These warriors with kd, curry, Draymond, and klay would definitely hold their own against mj and pippen. Warriors system is far superior to the triangle. Warriors system is a hybrid of the triangle with what they run in San antonio.
lilyusi dude you are talking about regular season games. Goats are made in the playoffs. And Chris Jackson is a far better athlete and is tougher than steph curry. He used to play basketball in the middle of the night until the early morning all alone at a park. He made Shaq play second fiddle to him in college. It was a different game then point guards did not have the green light. He can still shoot with curry or anyone right now just watch him on UA-cam at 40+ years old. If you accidentally step on steph ankle his career is over. You could bump dudes that ran around screens then and hold them. You could hand check. Go ask steph curry coach mark Jackson how hard it is to take the ball full court when the bulls trapped full court with hand checking. They would have never changed the rules if these dudes could be as efficient as the players of that era under the same scrutiny. They saw that they could not be so they changed the rules and took all the bigs to the perimeter. Lol. Y’all funny.
lilyusi
The bulls team would rape the warriors on defense. Warriors might have a slight edge on offense.
lilyusi well said. MJ is Jesus to these motherfuckers
lilyusi no no no, my friend please don't do that lol little chris jackson was not even a dollar store discount version of steph.
lilyusi you know your shittttttttt
Michael Jordan has such a sacred place in everyone's heart, that it is NEVER OK to say that ANY TEAM in NBA history could beat the '95 Bulls lmfao. Even if years from now, a team won 8 straight championships and was ranked 1st in all statistical categories over those 8 years, people would still be like "Nuh-uhhhhh! You must not have seen that Bulls team play! Plus the league was tougher back then! MJ would SWEEP this team easily!! 😣😤" lmao
Derrick Parham it is insulting that a team that has ever won two in a row is being compared to the Bulls again.
Derrick Parham nothing about a sacred place. Michael Jordan dominated the toughest era in basketball. To this day people are still trying to break his records with a easier game and 3-point shooting in place and people still having a hard time beating it.
osskeet who says that was the toughest era in basketball? There were like 5-10 players in the entire league that were capable of shooting off the dribble. Big guys have gotten phased out for a reason. 3 points is more than 2. And even then the big guys today are more skilled than the big guys of them. Anthony Davis, Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic, Demarcus Cousins, Al Horford are all capable of hitting outside jumpers regularly and defending 1-5. Basketball is way more advanced today.
Derrick Parham, I 100% agree and I watched the whole 90s live when it happened.
These people just have to protect MJ’s legacy at all cost for some reason. MJ was great and the best of his era but I’m tired of people acting like the 90s was the ultimate era because that’s bullshit.
Expansion teams coming in and the Lakers and Celtics dynasties ending dilutes the 90s somewhat. Those Bulls did not have to face any champions in those finals outside of the 91 Lakers who were not the showtime dynasty anymore at that point.
In the 90s you could have 1 true star and be considered a contender (Knicks - only Ewing, Pacers - only Reggie, Spurs - only D Rob until the very end of it when Duncan came, the Magic had Shaq/Penny for 3 years and the Shaq went to LA where Kobe was not a true star until 2001.) It’s not like the Bulls has to deal with multiple all star juggernauts like Golden State is or the 80s Lakers and 80s Celtics were. The Jazz were the only sure 2 hall of famer team they faced lead by Stockton and Malone who were doormats in the tougher 80s.
Derrick Parham Hey 72 wins and the ring. Warriors won 73 games and choked a 3-1 lead. Just saying.
Every time people talk about Durant they always bring up off the court stuff, ie joining the warriors, fake account, etc. That’s because they know on the court he is virtually unstoppable so they have to find something to hate on. KD can beat you off the dribble, catch n shoot, around the rim, dribble penetration, post up, mid range, 3 point. However you want it, he can do it and there’s literally NO ONE who can guard him, from any era.
This aged well gtfoh 🤡... probably some triggered butthurt bandwagon warriors fan.
Hows he looking without the warriors?
I am so sick of people acting like the players from the 80s and 90s cannot be touched. Players evolve and get better over time. I’m not saying The Warriors would beat them but let’s be honest The Warriors are no push over. It’s funny how whenever they spoke about The Warriors losing it was The 2015 team instead of The 2017
Durant and Curry Dynasty.
They're better in some areas but this new era never played with the old physical rules. Even under today's rules, Curry got shut down by Dellavedova ffs. KD and Curry struggled against physical teams in playoffs like Memphis etc.
Bracey Johnson the Warriors would kill them in a best of 7. Reason why players in the past were playing rough and hard was to get to the paint because they just weren't accurate with their jumpers. The Warriors would put on a shooting clinic.
Bracey Johnson the bulls woukd take this warriors team over 7 game's even the role players on that team guys like kukoc parrish and kerr were clutch
The old heads won’t let the nostalgia go
no it's not that they can't be touched, it's that they can be touched. Basketball was way more physical back then so that added aspect potentially throws off shots. Draymond would probably get bullied down low back then. Steph wouldn't be able to get his shot off with pretty much stuffed lanes. Durant could have his shot thrown off as well.
Max is right on something. Durant left OKC to join GSW just to beat Lebron James. That's it
good debate but no one could ever get me to bet against MJ
Mj have 13 chips?
DO MORE OF THESE! Very interesting setup ESPN. Thanks.
It’s crazy how Stephen a can transpose folks into the old era but not the old folks into the new era.
Because new era is easier to play.. thats why
It wouldn’t be fair if Jordan was scoring like that in the old era with handchecking and guys taking your head off in the post. Imagine the points he would put up today with these soft rules
This man Stephen A uses handchecks and pushing for EVERY MJ argument. As if Draymond green doubt hold and push, or igoudala, or David west, or pachulia. I'm a Cavs fan and realize that this team is unbeatable unless you put a well rounded team around LeBron.
J as if Lebron wouldn’t be the best defender if he was allowed to hand check. These guys are just nostalgic. Let them have their moment.
J, yes I watched the whole 90s and people put it on this plane that it really was not. The 80s were tougher and more competitive. The 2000s were no less rough and had more overall talent. The 2010s were not as rough but more skilled and athletic.
omieg89 exactly what I say bro, they say if LeBron was back then with handchecks and pushing he wouldn't be doing this. WELL OK LeBron will HANDCHECK and PUCH back lmao and then What? 260 6'8 he'll lock everyone up. I just wish I was there to say these things to Stephen A to see what excuse comes next
Eddie Bowles I agree bro
J yea they act as if MJ had to go against the pistons, and and Celtics every year of his career. And people also seem to forget that LeBron was drafted in 2003 so that means he spent 9-11 years in an era where pace and space wasn't the main go to. He's only been going against the warriors for 4 years
I rather hear this debate than the Lebron and Jordan debate
YOU DON'T GET THE SHOW!
Rattan Mutti bro I only clicked this because I knew for sure they was baiting
You know Dan wanted no part of a pointless debate like this. Stu was all for it.
I want a Lebo print of Stephen A glowering between 2:24 - 2:32
Mtownraven he was a good sport about it. 😂😂
I wonder does Stephen A really understand what’s going on.
First take should do more crossovers like this. This was a good debate.
This debate is refreshing. There should be more team debates than individual players
Dont underestimate the bulls defense.
That team individual defense is really legit defender and versatile to any type of team system
they are good at man to man, but the warriors barely play man to man. When they do, who can lock down KD? Also, the warriors stretch the floor so much, help defense for bulls will be unavailable, and when they do, they will get lit up. The bulls didn't have a lot of offensive fire power either, they have Jordan. Say we put Klay or Iggy on him, even if he goes by, their spacing is so tight that Green can always help. Warriors also has better depth.
Jayjay Ulit neither MJ or Pippen could defend KD. The dude is 7 feet. Pippen would have a tough time scoring against GSW because he would get multiple looks for different defenders. MJ could get his but his teammates would be barbecue chicken.
omieg89 have you wa watch kobe defense on KD just watch first before you comment on defensive capabilities of the dobberman even if he is 7.0
Jayjay Ulit what year are you talking about with Kobe and Durant? The only times they squared off in the playoffs was 2010 and 2012 and Durant was amazing against him both times plus Durant was a baby back then. I’m just sick of people acting like Pippen or MJ are any better at defending than the top perimeter defenders today. Kawhi might be the best perimeter defender ever.
the two worst shows on espn in a debate. I am so ready for this
YOU DON'T GET THE SHOW
First Take definitely should do this more often!
I agree with u Dan🙌🏾🙌🏾 gave me goosebumps with ur analysis
Why can’t we just accept that the warriors are one of the greatest teams you will ever see, cavs or Celtics are not beating warriors this year, warriors are juggernauts
Ryan Diaz cavs will keep crying
Ryan Diaz opppp
When they're in the finals, as they go deeper in the series, MJ turns into a bigger and bigger monster it's scary! I don't know what's gonna happen, but I'll go for wherever MJ is. Bulls in 5.
This is good ESPN I like the mix up Do more with other shows
Love this collaboration
Loud noises!!!
Sorry but people have to stop drowning in nostalgia.. The Warriors would beat the Bulls hands down
Daniel Suchetka yea sure lol
Daniel Suchetka how the fuck would you know. Most likely you're the high percentage of these young white kids that don't know shit about sports just piggy backing someone else comments.
" drowning nostalgia "
Please kindly shut the fuck up.
The warriors can’t beat the showtime lakers
Daniel Suchetka Clearly started watching basketball three years ago......
Daniel Suchetka That's what I'm saying all they have to do is focused their attention on jordan since the bulls love doing isos with him. Nobody is stoping KD, Curry, or klay
They should do this MORE !
You can make the argument both ways if Golden State played back in MJs era maybe they aren't as good. If the bulls played in the current era maybe they dont adjust to the new rules and game play. Comparing different eras will always have somthing blocking it. Without 2 teams playing eachother it's not possible to confirm who is better.
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bulls never faced a team like the GS ... Klay can not touch the ball for 5mnts and then he can drop 4 straight 3s how can u guard that not to mention Curry and KD who are better at shooting the ball .
Bird celtics dominated MJ ... he can get his but the others wont ...GS are far better from behind the arc they wont even need to stop MJ.
"Celtics dominated MJ" Da fuck you talking. MJ broke the playoff scoring record against them. Even bird said that he felt MJ was a god in human form.
jordan is 0/6 against bird in playoff he drop 63 but took an L same with Lebron last year avrge a trip double but lost in 5 ... my point that the better team will always win MJ was the best player on the court but lost to the better team.. against the GS MJ will be the number 1 but GS will have the next 3 best players
Wtf is Max even talking about. The warriors literally started recruiting Durant a year before they lost the 2016 finals. Max just keeps making BS up and going along with it...
Chemistry is important, the OKC team have a prime Durant, Harden, Westbrook, Ibaka, etc. Crazy good all stars and not being able to win a championship, shows you how important leadership and chemistry is. Jordan was an excellent leader, even Pippen would have never got 6 rings without MJ. MJ was literally his mentor and helped him become great. I actually wish they would have used the Japanese tech from holyhydrogen and extended their careers with that tech, so they would have won more chips lol
Here's the thing. Whether you have MJ or Pippen guarding Steph Klay or KD , no matter the rules the Bulls have a better chance defending the Warriors then the Warriors defending the Bulls , the Warriors have no one who can stop Jordan one on one he's too strong and skilled for any of them to guard. You can't deny that Jordan was a great scorer, if he played today because the rules are so lenient he would avg 50 without have to shoot 3s lol
Um so LeBron couldn't beat the Celtic's but joining Dwade,Bosh to beat the Celtic's smh
Bagging on Kevin Durant for changing teams doesn't affect the quality of basketball that Golden State produces, that is why these old folks are just talking sour grapes. These Golden State teams would be beat Chicago. Best team ever.
TenThumbs Productions in almost any sport the fanbase realizes that today's player are much better than the players from 20 years ago; real Madrid would just blow out every 90ies football team, Federer would kill Sampras, bolt was objectively much faster than Greene, etc...
Only in basketball though these old farts act like players of 20 years ago were better than today.
Ofc we don't get to see it, but the warriors would smoke them. Discussion should be whether the bulls could win a game or not.
Jordan would have trouble stopping Klay? You just lost all your credibility.
AlgorithmArcade your comment is a joke. You sound like you don’t anything about basketball. MJ would have trouble guarding klay... really 😂😂😂 Reggie was a better player than klay. pippen would slow down KD as good as anyone could not that he can be stopped. He wouldn’t destroy pippen tho lmao what are you talking about , and ron Harper would be on curry not Steve Kerr. Lmao it would be a good series but bulls would win easily in 90’s era and golden state would probably win this era in a 6-7 game series.
I dont think GSW could beat Jordans Bulls since they were in different eras. Its hard to debate which team would win
Marco Severini not 1 player on the bulls would have been able to stop Durant. He would have had 80 pts against one of those slow forwards or tiny guards. No way. Warriors would win
60’s Celtics, ‘67 76ers, ‘72 Lakers, ‘86 Celtics, 80’s Lakers, ‘96 Bulls, 2000’s Lakers. Those are the teams in the discussion in my opinion, there may be more.
Great segment..
Keep talking about Kevin Durant's decision with no penalty for LeBron James 2 decisions hypocrisy
The GSW are better than the Bulls, but NOT greater.
Don't hate the flayer Hate the game truest statement on here
This needs to be a show
Nahh that show would go on for hours because they would speaking over each other
David Murray It would be great though lol
Bulls 6-0
Warriors 2-1
Let's wait and see what they do in the next 3 years and then we can have this debate who's the better team.
Dumb debate....two different eras
thank you
Dashoost so why we always debate jordan and lebron ??
lil.dripptv cause we are all bored.
lil.dripptv I have no freaking clue why it's also a pointless debate ... One guy is 6.9 and can play any position 1 thru 4 the other was a 6.6 2 guard who was the greatest 2 guard ever but didn't really play the 1 or the 3 positions naturally because of the triangle it wasnt necessary...apples and oranges
Dumb debate my ass... typical from Jordan fanatics. somehow the debate become "dumb" when their favs is outmatched so freaking bad...
the discussion should be the role players not the stars. jordan and durant would cancel each other out scoring wise.
who the heck is kerr guarding? how well does rodman do at the top of the key against draymond? Off the bench the warirors bring secondary shooters in swaggy p. who is guarding andre? who is guarding klay? the warriors play faster than anhy team in the 90s and are more diverse on offense. and like it or not jordans bulls never faced this kind of pressure from a team offensively.
warriors in 6.
also stop the bs on the hand check neutralizing the warriors. draymond would LOVE to hand check someone. klay and durant would be fine as well.
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“Im blessed I’m blessed I’m blessed I’m blessed” 😂
Why nobody ever bring up the fact that it was illegal for teams to play zone D back then, it was essentially a game of 1v1 on the perimeter
I’m surprised human evaluation isn’t discussed more when comparing eras, so so much more athleticism in every sport in today’s world. Obviously this includes basketball.
Taylor Pentz 100%
Really? Then why is Steph Curry dominating?
Is Klay Thompson as athletic as Drexler?
Is Harden as athletic as Jordan?
Morten Potzdidler don't argue with kids who just started watching basketball in 2007. Its not worth the headache. Vince Carter, Jordan, Iverson, Steve Francis, Shawn Kemp, Dominique Wilkins, Latrell Spreewell,Clyde Drexler, James Worthy, Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Shariff Abdur Rahim, Michael Finley, Sean. Elliot, Kevin Garnett, Glenn Robinson, ... I could keep going but for all the kids out there saying the NBA is more athletic now. Grow up.
Elijah arvinger I suppose you're right.
I just find it bizarre that we hear constantly about how athletic the league is when guys like Steph are being compared to Jordan.
The league has actually become smaller and less physical in the last 20 years, if anything.
The Vince Carter reference is a good one. Has that 2000 dunk contest ever been surpassed? Just from an athletic standpoint.
Morten Potzdidler that's three players were talking about the whole NBA it's called evolution
Hahaha “an extra terrestrial like Kevin Durant...”
Honestly, the 2017 Warriors are easily the best team ever.
Eras change, stars get better, role players get better, and defense/coaching get better.
MJ would get his, Scottie would do what he does but GSWs switch defense would slow him down. Rodman would be a liability on offense since he can’t shoot threes and would hurt them if GSW get hot from 3 and start a run.
Now on the defensive side, let’s say MJ guards Steph, and Pippen on KD. First of all they won’t completely stop them but even then now you have Klay, Iguodala, and Green unchecked who are either scorers/play-makers along with people like Livingston who would torch Kerr till they put someone bigger on him.
Today’s NBA just has too many talented players for the old age individually
Defense in the nba is trash compared to now, but the 96 Bulls are the only team that can match up the warriors defensively they can get physical and scrappy play pressure defense close passing lanes and they have versatility size and length
The fact is if the 95 bulls were magically dropped into this season of the nba. They would win a ring. MJ would average 40. Win mvp. Etc. Drop these 4 teams into the 80s/90s and they'll be a borderline playoff team that never makes it past the 2nd round. 🤷♂️
Everyone knows the Warriors are better than Jordan's Bulls. Even the old-heads know it, they just too stubborn to say it.
Dr. D if they play 1990 rules, then the Warriors have no chance
Drezzy G.F.T.P nope
If everyone knows that means everyone is retarded
Warriors just have too much offensive fire power and that 3 point shot is the x-factor. Bulls would lose in 6.
JOSHUA Yancey Warriors would have no answer for MJ, the Bulls would overwhelm them on defense. Bulls in 6. Plus MJ is the GOAT.
What rules? 90s rules. Stephanie Curry won't get off. He will get Smothered. I see Durant being a problem for the Bulls though.
Peter Tyrell 90s rules is over rated. Go watch some games from that time. Curry will get smothered but Mark Price, John Stockton, John Starks, Jeff Hornacek able to play in that era? And Curry a much better ball handler than those guys.
baldpnoy410 Yea but they weren't Superstar status. Nuff said.
Peter Tyrell Exactly... Those guys survived the 90s but in your case Curry would not? When Curry is a lot better than those guys. Makes no sense.
I hate how on all the highlights that ESPN shows, they always show the end of the play when someone is making the basket. Why don't they show the full play so you can see it unfold whenever they are making comparison debates. You won't appreciate how good the player is if you don't see the whole play unfold.
I lost my damn mind on this on my channel today. LeBron goes 44-5-3 on 60% shooting and we are up here like 'well that's just LeBron being LeBron'!? In the THOUSANDS of playoff games that have been played that performance has only been done 30 times (!!) and we just act like it's normal. The REAL crazy part is that wasn't a top 5 performance from LeBron...THIS postseason.
Man that defense back in Jordan day was so overrated bruh
God Of destruction Giannis thea wasn even zone defense in da 90s... evrybody was playin 1v1 lmfao... u cant even play 1v1 on BENCH playas in tuhdays league
Just a bunch of tall skinny whites guys trying to guard MJ
You gotta start doing your research bro. The 90s were the most defense centric period in NBA history. The 80's defense is completely overrated but the 90s produced some the highest defensive efficiency ratings of all time.
Uncontested shotssssss!!! There were no good perimeter players like today...its only the NBA that will never Admit the sport has gotten better with time
Spike McQueen Bruh the 90s defense are overrated. You couldn't even play zone which made it easier for offensive players to get buckets.
If we were talking here about swimming, would an olympic gold medalist in 1992 ever be able to beat an olympic gold medalist from 2016? Do you get how irrational is this kind of debate?
Consistency English thank you this would be such a lopsided sweep how could those bulls even dream of guarding by far the best shooting pg sg sf combo ever combined with the fast paced offence that they ran lmao
Jpgoeagles Defense and MJ. 6-0. GOAT
vs plumbers
what defence they would get lit up go watch muhamad rauf vs jordan now imagine kd and klay on that same team with bench players that could start on those bulls teams
Consistency English drop the mic
One thing that never is brought up with the defense and hand checking and stuff is that back in the 90s, zone wasn’t allowed, so KD could just back down Scottie or whoever and light them up inside for 90/game.
The Bulls was dynasty during the MJ era and you can't say the same for GSW. You can call the GSW a super team but not a dynasty.
These Warriors are better. Curry Durant Green=Jordan Pippen Rodman
The Warriors also have Thompson though so that’s the tiebreaker
Alex Turyk man, it's even hard to say that equals out, the firepower of thoae three is off the charts, but maybe the defense evens it out, hmmm
Pippen on KD
MJ on Steph
Ron Harper on Klay
The Worm on Draymond
Easy win for the Bulls
People that say you can't compare eras are just trying to justify their belief that their nostalgia is better than today.
Fact is in sports things are better as time goes on. Players that are in the G league today would be HOFers if we sent them back to 1950.
Future Player > LeBron > MJ > Bird
Future Team > GSW > Bulls
voetbal12 great point. If a team comes along that's better than GSW I wont be like " they couldn't beat Steph and them boyz!!". I'll be objective about it.
Dream episode for me Undisputed/First Takeover
What is SAS talking about? I don't think he understands just how strong Draymond is and what it is that THAT guy can truly do if he were allowed to be MORE physical. Are you kidding me? Have you seen the shape on Iguodala? That dude is a freak of nature. You don't think he'd make better use of it if allowed? Hand checking would make defense so much easier for Curry are you kidding? They have Zaza fucking Pachulia lmao AND David West! Don't fucking talk to me about the Warriors being frail you're talking CRAZY. Talking about how tough the Bulls were without realizing what kind of a team the Warriors would be if they were allowed the same damn rules.
GSW would obviously beat the Bulls, not enough offensive options for MJs squat. The real question is, who would win between the Warriors and the '01 Lakers. How the hell would the Hamptons 5 guard Shaq, and on the other end how would Shaq handle pick and rolls?
They'd probably just put 2-3 guys on Shaq and let everyone else (except for Kobe) shoot at will. I agree that '01 Lakers would give warriors a tougher series, but I still doubt that they could beat them.
for sure for sure. Then again Lakers had some decent knock down shooters, Horry was one of the original stretch 4s, along with gritty defenders who can make 3s like Fisher and Harper. There is still a talent discrepancy though. KDs length would force Kobe to really use up a lot of energy on D.
Yeah, I remember it very well. It was a hell of a team... But these teams shooting 3s 40%, scoring 15,16,17 per game... It's just too much.
The Lakers would smash them
If these players were better the nba would not have saw a need to change the rules and how teams line up offensively and defensively. You do realize the Phoenix Suns of 1993 only averaged 2 less points per game at the same pace as the 2017 warriors and the bulls beat them. It was much harder to score 113 points per game in 1993 than it is to score 115 points per game in 2017. Everyone that knows the nba knows this. Hand checking and bumping and holding cutters would destroy this team mentally. They all lost 3-1 leads in the same playoff season their 5 best players. They are mentally fragile in pressure moments. Curry has never dominated in the finals. It’s easy to score 35 a game on Lebron that does not play defense much harder against the Bulls of the early 90s or late 90s. They slowed the entire pace of the game. They were taking 67 shots in finals games. The warriors would crumble under those circumstances
Jordan’s bulls would get destoryed... that high school 3pt line would be ez for warriors
Protik Ak your the second person in this thread to say this incorrect statement.. The 3 point line is the same distance its been for the last 35 years smh
melvin harper what about that perimeter defence they never seen shooters like this guarding one of them would be a mission forget THREE of them along with the screens and fast pace of play, this wouldnt be close bruh
Protik Ak They changed it one year lmao. And they put it back. MJ wouldn't lose a finals ever. Put my money on MJ with the best win shares of all time.
when are you betting on mike? in the 80s when he was getting swept in the 1st round? in the 90s vs plumbers and no superstar sgs? or when kobe was dropping 60 on him in the 2000s
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People talk about how the rules made defenses "tougher" in the 90s but not how the illegal defense rule at the time made it basically illegal to double team a player unless they were driving to the net. Those 90s teams would have had to figure out how to guard GSW's three big shooters without doubling them.
Who knows, but it would be one hell of a series to watch!
Warriors could win because Bulls can't shoot the three and they don't have anyone besides Rodman to guard against the three. It's simple math.
Manas Sarkar pippen wasnt a defender ?? Are you serious
So Jordan an pippen an eon harper can’t play defense?
donnell brown clearly this dumbass don't know what he's taking about. MJ on klay, Harper on curry, Scottie on KD, Rodman vs green
The Xman The things is you talking one on one. The warriors move without the ball. I don’t think the bulls could keep up
The Xman - Yeah and the Warriors would still torch the Bulls
No teams in the 90s played zone or defended the three. Steph and Klay would go for 30 just by moving around screens. While KD will be KD
80's Celtics and Lakers. End debate
Brotha Prophet TV those are my personal favorites
I always wonder if people see each other on the screen when they are talking...and also do they see themselves as they are talking ?
Jordan will drop 70 on them with ease in today game most of it coming from the free throws
Nobody ever talks about how easy guys like KD and Lebron could score in the Jordan era. The illegal defense rule being in today’s game would make Lebron and KD impossible to guard
Facts
This Warriors team is the best team ever assembled. Period. Simply put, the type of players they have didn't even exist back then. They have the best shooter in the history of the league, they have a seven foot tall shooting guard who can raise up on anybody and is virtually unguardable, they have a guy in Klay who has done things like drop 67 in a game, dropped 60 points in 3 quarters, has dropped 37 in a quarter and this guy is the 3rd option!!! And then there's Draymond who is a triple double machine and is the glue of the team who can do some of everything. And to top it off they have former all star A I who is the 5th option!!!!! These morons debating are stupid. First You were comparing the 72 win Warriors team to the 96 bulls meaning it was close. Then the warriors added the best scorer in the league to that team. The debate is over. What more do you need ?
Patrick Johnson PREACH
I agree...KD does not have a ring.
I know...but it's just the way he did it. He didn't want the challenge of being "the man".
MJ, Kobe, Magic...they fought their way to championships. They didn't look around to see who the best team is and join it. I respect AI so much even though he doesn't have a ring because he took on the challenge of being "the man" in Philly and just came up short.
Yair H. Agreed
Yair H. He needs to give his shit back.
I agree, he is not married.
As annoying as how GSW has made the finals unwatchable, Teenage Dirk dropped 50 on Bulls best defender Scottie Pippen. And no disrepect to MJ but he could hardly stay in front of AI. And they're stopping KD and Steph? That's not even accounting Klay who was not only able to lock up Kyrie on defense, but score 60 in 3 quarters.
3 home grown stars, with one being a 2 time MVP, then added possibly the greatest scorer.
I hate what sports has turned into.
Stephan A is trying his hardest to make the old school teams better than the teams now😂 just Kuz they were "physical"
King Flacko it's the true. Today you can just flop your arms pr bob your head a certain way and it's a foul
osskeet it's not true. Today's era is way more skillful. Y'all say this to try and diminish what LeBron goes up against.
@espn So smart to expose another show by putting first take against batard show. There should be more group debates. Nicely done, but I wish they didn't talk about this. This is something for the offseason. Lets talk about the playoffs. Id love to hear what they think about the teams that are still in contention for a championship.
I knew how this was gonna go before even watching it...
LBJ > MJ
3W>>>6W, 5L>>>0L mavs finals multiple teams hell yea... wait what???
I cant stand Le Bastard, but i do love watching Stephen A. Smith getting trolled
The main thing people don’t take into account is all the rule changes from 1999-2010......NONE of these guys playing now would be the same under those rules.
Even without the physical roughness that bulls team was better, their superior defense would eclipse the warriors, it was like spartans vs little tiny men
Rodman would negate Green's impact & they would be lost. Jordan would eat KD alive & Pippen would toy with Klay & Steph on defense..
J M Sayangi pippen would probably be guarding KD alot of the time too
J M Sayangi the warriors still would have 1 extra player that someone couldn't guard..so bulls would lose..especially in this era..
Jordan never guarded the opposing teams best player unless they were smaller than him.
J M Sayangi the warriors will torch the bulls.
J M Sayangi u drunk as shit if u think Jordan gonna lock up KD haha and Klay isn't mall bro Scottie would get muscled by Green. Let's be logical.
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Well this is....new. I like the collaboration.
The 71 BUCKS inside the nba did a vote and it beat out the 95-96 bulls
Bulls were bigger, as fast, more physical.
Anthony M. M. what are tou smoking bruh
Anthony M. M. steve kerr is stopping steph curry lmaoo
Bigger? Maybe. Faster? Hell no! More physical? Definitely!
Anthony M. M. We had no one on that team that would be able to stop KD.
Durant is 7 feet tall who would guard him
LeGoat been da goat fuh years
zReNAgAdE504 nobody talking bout him, btw he will take another L in the Finals 3-6
Lord Frieza Christ Resurrected bron been tuh da finals ova half his career
Yeah the East has been trash for years too!
zReNAgAdE504 so has Jerry west. Guess he's the goat because he lost in the finals more than anyone else LMAO
Anthony S 3 expansion teams in da east wen mj started winnin
People keep bringing up the old rules. They also forget that if these two teams played each other with the old rules that means the Warriors can do all the same things the Bulls could do defensively. Imagine having Draymond Green being able to rough up people like they were allowed to in the 90s.
Yeah, try roughing up Rodman! Let me see how that works out!
The DLB Show and First Take universe crossover >>>> Marvel’s Infinity War
As an "old school" guy myself, I think it would be a fun series Reguardless. The rules DO matter though. By 90s rules, the Bulls take them in 5 maybe 6. By current rules, I take the Bulls in 7. Who on the warriors is gonna guard Jordan? Everyone worries about Durant, but Jordan is the real problem. Igodala is the best physically, but Jordan had too many moves for Andre. He does good against LeBron, because LeBron only has a couple of moves in his bag of tricks. Jordan had WAY more.
Again, Bulls in 7 by modern rules. 5 or 6 max by old school rules. I'm not betting against Jordan in a game 7 though...
Mikey J Productions bulls win in 5? The warriors will torch them
Mikey J Productions lol bulls win in 5 but when 6 games with Utah jazz and Seattle beat it dude
Mikey J Productions Jordan will be covered by Green or Thompson and unlike back in the day there isn't man defense. You use to have to play man defense and if someone left their defensive assignment it was a technical free throw and ball back. Zone can be played now making it harder for stars, but who's guarding 7ft Durant and all of the great perimeter shooter golden State has. If you're thinking bulls you're delusional.
For you to the bulls win in 5 means you think the Pacers and Knicks are better than this Warriors team. Like what kind of crack are you on fam.
If the Warriors lose to the Rockets this debate is OVER!! The Bulls might sweep this Rockets team, 5 games max. Jordan and Pippen would have OWNED CP3 and Harden. So it just proves my point, this Warriors team is SOFT. They couldn't handle a rough team like those Bulls, no way.
No one is beating this Warriors team. LMAO 😂 Those plumbers from the 80s and 90s wouldn’t know what to do against all those perimeter shooters
erichuffman2 How many teams in the 80s or 90s had 4 future Hall of Famers/All NBA players in their PRIME? I’ll wait
Plumbers?
DonPenn41 What plumbers? I watched the 90’s I didnt see any plumbers that were stars. Funny how youre like 1000th person that have jumped on the bandwagon with that lingo.
Marc Regal Name the 5 best teams of the 90s and their starting lineups
Sam Oso yes, individuals who would be unable to play in today’s league
Durant going to GS is like Iverson going to LA after losing the finals
I love how nobody even takes Max’s point seriously. Poor Max. He was trying so hard to be heard 😭😭😭
Stugotz spitting facts. Durant is weak willed and joined a championship bandwagon for an easy ring
J. Mathews Yeah we all know this tho
The Xman yeah. But this notion like in 20 years people will forget is blasphemy. People are already trying to add technicalities to it to lighten it up.
I guess lebron plays all 5 positions even scored kyries 40
THISISRISE right the nerve of theses nerds
THISISRISE how many points kire score in the finals before lebron cane to cleveland?
That's true, Kyrie did lead the Cavs that series in points....o wait that was LeBron
But he did have the most assists....no that was LeBron too
but he did have the most rebounds....nope, that was LeBron too
THISISRISE wait who saved the cavs from losing with the block...wait lebron. Wait but who turned over the ball with a bad shot for lebron to get the block.. kyrie.
THISISRISE who scored 6 straight to catch cavs up when they were down.. LEBRON
MJ, Pip 2 of the top 3-4 perimeter defensive players of all time (i'll throw the glove, Metta in there.) Ron Harper is very underrated as a perimeter defender as well. Rodman one of the best rebounder and interior defender of all time.... THAT IS JUST ON D.
Bulls in 4. Bulls once held the high powered Jazz offense to 54 points in a Finals game. In that game Bulls scored 53 points in the first half. They could have made just one basket in the second half and still would have won.