How Long Before Duolingo Works?
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2019
- Will I be fluent after using Duolingo for 1000 Days? This video is an in-depth answer as to how best to use Duolingo so that you'll be fluent in the foreign language that you're learning.
I have a 1000 Day streak on Duolingo and I am always looking for good apps for language learning. There are much better apps than Duolingo out there, so why I do I have a Duolingo 1000 days streak? There are some good features on Duolingo, and a video may be coming soon about the Duolingo best feature. This mightn be the Duolingo in depth review that you were after but if you are going to use Duolingo to learn a language and you're looking at language app reviews and other apps like Duolingo or simply the best app to learn a language, this might be a good place to start.
I have made videos about whether it's worth it to keep a Duolingo streak, about updates to Duolingo and about other language learning apps such as Busuu and Lingvist, which are my two favourite language applications at the moment. If you want to know what part of the language learning process that is WHEN to use Duolingo, this and my last video would also be good ones to watch to answer the question Will I Be Fluent in My Language?
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Guys, thank you so much for all the comments and feedback! These videos go up early in the Australian morning so when I get up, you guys have already commented, and I want to use the morning "brain working good" time to study French, so please give me a day or so to get back to you, but I want you to know that I do appreciate ye! Thank you!
I wanna ask a simple question ,if someone is starting out in a language from scratch would you recommend Duolingo to them?(assuming that they will turn to other resources after they have taken enough Duolingo)
So what app would you recommend for Scottish Gaelic then... Because from what I can see Duolingo is the only option...
May I ask what are those "ITALIAN, FRENCH, CHINESE" books behind you?
@@mateo_ferranco You may ask. I actually have a video:
ua-cam.com/video/Opo7oI7Oxow/v-deo.html
Nah...
I learned how to say "The boy eats the apple" in like a minute
Sounds like you're fluent already 😆
21 days in, know how to say “The mice eat rice” but not how to order a tea
UPDATE: Once I started mixing Duolingo with other resources, notably speaking and tutoring classes, my progress has skyrocketed. 70 ish days on Duolingo now, but getting sources from all places!
I mean...
Jeg begyndte at lære Dansk med Duolingo for et år siden, og kan allerede sige så mange ting. Jeg har brugt sandsynligvis mellem hundred og to hundred timer nu. Jeg er ikke flydende og ikke kan bliver flydende med bare Duolingo, men det har hjælpede så meget. Jeg kunne have øvet med andre kursus men til Dansk brugte jeg kun Duolingo. Min først sprog er Engelsk, så lærende Dansk er ikke meget speciel selvom. For nylig har jeg også startet Spansk. Det Spanske kursus på Duolingo er længere end det Danske en og er ikke så nemt endnu. Jeg måske skriver ikke denne hurtigt, men jeg er i stand til at skrive den. Hvad tænker I? Er Duolingo ond stadig? (Placerede jeg korrekt kartoflen i min hals? ;p)
@@Nyonics That's an impressive amount for just a year ago! I do agree that nobody can really become fluent with just Duolingo but it doesn't exactly hinder ones process.
@@alixwithani8250 Tell me those resources please , I’m prolly going a week now in French and I don’t know very much resources
I’ve been learning Russian on doulingo for about 4 months now and Busuu for the past couple of weeks. I find Duolingo is actually great for me to learn the words and memorise them because of the constant repetition and being able to get the app to repeat a single word back to me as many times as I want by tapping in the word I want to hear.
Busuu is great for getting you to think about making your own sentences and teaching you proper grammar, but I’ve found learning words on it not great because it doesn’t get you to repeat them over and over. It kinda shows you a new word, gets you to repeat it a few times and then expects you to have it committed to memory.
I do like that Busuu gets you to answer questions rather than just translate them though.
Been enjoying both haha
Credit where credit is due duolingo stories are great and the podcasts are pretty high quality and engaging
People tell me to give Duo "credit"... Like sure, but as if it doesn't get enough already? It is literally the most famous name in language learning by at least a 50% margin, and has also crowned itself "The world's best way to learn _____ (whatever language)" which is entirely made up.
I think they get their credit well enough.
@@daysandwords I don't hear may people talk about the stories so that it where this comment is coming from. Though I agree with you for the most part on your video because Duolingo's learning system is not good and they don't deserve a crown. Not to mention the mobile app is somehow worst and will stop you from learning if you get a few words wrong. (the heart system.) And some of the courses don't have human voices which is a no for me. I think the podcasts are a different game entirely and a free source that isn't talked about as much.
I'm a long time duo user (for years) and have just watched a few videos in this channel. I finally feel like I have an idea of what an alternate tack would look like for learning Spanish; duo has become increasingly unfulfilling and grindy. Having said that I do find the stories and podcast (especially the podcast) genuinely useful and a resource like no other out there that I've encountered.
Sgree
@@daysandwords maybe in your circles but I've heard people constantly make fun of Duolingo and I was reluctant to try it because I expected it not to be good
I like learning random stuff on Duolingo. I would never claim I speak those languages, I'm not even interested in learning so many, my heart already belongs to German :D It's just pure fun and sometimes some things suddenly make sense, that's all.
I am now about six months into Russian, first using only Duolingo, then additional Babbel, trying to read children stories, then starting reading short stories for beginners. I can now get the content in these stories, even if I don't understand all the words. I see conjugations of words I know, I read out load and start using proper vocal reduction. If I know the words by heart, I can read at faster speeds. After about one month Duolingo, I started to speak Russian in conversations by saying something like "I need to wash the dishes..." and other common things it teaches.
I cannot really watch every movie in Russian without subtitles, but some. Now, it is just a matter of practice every day.
Writing is still hard, if you use something like Viber, it really helps with the support of the language and auto-completion. It is also funny... I texted today at lunch: "I am a Ghul" and meant I go for a stroll. :D
Я гуль вместо гуляю?)
Если тебе вдруг понадобится помощь с русским, я всегда буду готова помочь!
You made a statement that you liked your 1000day streak that is actually part of their program to keep you wanting to learn. Just like the leagues and rankings. I find myself wanting to add extra lessons to my day. I love tour analogy of getting ready to train for a marathon. I’ve realized a lot of things in Duolingo that I never did taking classes in school and university.
it seems like people don't realize that duolingo is there for practicing languages, not learning them. and that it does perfectly fine.
I didn't like how Domingo was so translation based. And I would often mess up my punctuation in English part. When I left Duolingo is when my language ability started to skyrocket
@Ibrahima Sankoh +1
Odd, that other linguists haven't explained it this way. I've already been thinking this as I'm learning my second language. All i want it the bare essential skills, to where i learn naturally from context. Well said sir.
G'day, I like your videos, they make me think. Regarding Duo. I am actually coming up on 1000 day streak (actually, I'm only keeping it going because it is a daily reminder of how many days I have been 'trying" to learn Russian. After failing in spectacular fashion for many decades to learn a language, I guess that another reason that I am sticking with Duo (besides hating the idea of giving up on something halfway through) is that duo has at least got me to a point that I know "something". I'm not like you, I am one of the lowest of the slow learners. Stuff goes in but then runs out the bottom of the container full of holes almost as quick. ( I guess that's where the saying comes in of "having a brain like a sieve" )))))
Back to Duo. Yeah, I AGREE completely that with just Duo, there will be no way that a person can become fluent. I reckon even a swish learner would have great difficulty let along a slow learner. Their voice stuff is PATHETIC!!! The bloke robot voice I reckon stops off at the virtual pub and has a bottle of virtual vodka and then goes off to his virtual work half to 3/4 tanked. From stressing the wrong parts of words right through to such a bloody mumble, that it is impossible ( I was going to write almost impossible but that is not correct) to understand what the word is. Yeah, I should be able to work it out through context but ........ I really do find learning difficult so I am stretching it just to get the words let alone play the context game.
As I mentioned once before, I don't share your same enthusiasm for Busuu, actually, for the time being, I have canned it for a few months. Maybe later I'll use it again, but the frustration level of "not knowing if what they say something is ... is actually what it is, has stopped me from gaining any confidence in it.
Regarding "comprehensible learning, for Russian, I am about to try a woman (a 34-year-old teacher) called Inna. Not real expensive - only $US15 a month for 4 x 1 hour group zoom lessons (once a week) so maybe if you like, I will let you know how that goes. I have tried speaking with a few people on Skype, but with mixed success. One woman it was going OK, we were helping each other Russian and English, but then her husband wanted "a friend" so instead of talking and throwing ideas around in both English and Russian, I ended up getting heaps of bloody skype calls so he could discuss the history of the Russian battles. Very interesting but not helpful in learning. Another really smart woman tries to help, but I am a master of manipulation in staying in my comfort zone and I keep turning the time back to speaking. Yeah, bloody ironic. I want to learn Russian but I am my own worst enemy )))
Anyway, enough of the War and Peace epic.
Thanks for your videos. As I said, they make me think. And YES, Duo is limited in its help. Maybe you get increased vocab, but their sentences and phrases - many of them are bloody stupid.
I have a rule of thumb: if a method is more than 50% information in your native language (or switching back and forth between your native language and target language) then you're getting less than 50% of exposure to the language you're actually trying to learn.
This is why I can't stand Duolingo and the vast majority of language apps.
Assimil is fine because if you listen to a lesson, it's never interrupted by explanations in your native language. You have to read the translation and notes to get any of your native language, and you have a choice not to if you want.
Yeah... and the other thing is, your head will default to your native language, so if it's exactly 50%, you probably actually speak 80% of your time in your native language (account for your thinking time). Having said that, it is hard at the start. I will have to wait and see how high and mighty I am when I take up a 3rd language that I don't understand at all and I won't be able to use my precious books haha.
Duolingo is a very good part of a plan & it is free. Free is a very beneficial aspect.
Combining it with free material available from the US Foreign Service Institute looks like it could be extremely helpful. Combining it with watching movies in the target language and TV shows seems helpful. Some shows I have watched in Portuguese I can catch an occasional word or phrase, which for having only done the first half of Unit 1 of Brazilian Portuguese in DuoLingo in the last 2 weeks is not horrible progress.
Although I think combining this with developing a key vocabulary list of about 2k words to memorize via flashcards and telling a story in the language each day as one UA-cam suggested and learning what you need to tell it is probably the fastest path to fluency.
I'm doing 30 days of Duolingo whilst using other input; beginner channels and news on UA-cam from the country I want to visit (Spain) , listening to music in my target language (Spanish) and I'm also getting ready to swap to Anki after that period by having sets ready to use. I will move on to TV shows after 30 days as well. Definitely trying to maximise my input from multiple sources and not rely on Duolingo only.
My situation is a little strange... My husband and his family are bilingual English/Spanish speakers. I've been around them for decades now. I do not speak Spanish worth a dime, yet I can pretty easily follow their conversations in Spanish as long as I have some context. I've never needed to learn how to speak it, only to understand it...they speak in Spanish, I answer in English, up until now everything has been just fine. But now my husband and I are planning to move to Mexico a year from now. I've been using Duolingo to teach me how to form sentences with all of the words I already know. I think I will probably switch over to a more advanced tool later on, but for right now, I feel Duolingo is working...but I know my circumstances are not the usual.
Great content and I do hope this channel would bloom in the near future.
I'd like to ask a question: Is it still fine to listen to "non-comprehensible input", like say, only understanding around thirty percent or less? I do think I'm in the beginner-intermediate level in Spanish already but the road to intermediate is still far off, and at this point I really think learning by Duolingo to reach an intermediate level is very time-consuming already (for analogy, I think I'm "a trained obese" where I have lots of progress towards reaching that stage where I can now train for a marathon, but that "stage" is still quite far).
Will listening to non-comprehensible input still be a major help? I'd love to hear your reply.
Hi - great question, yes and no.
30% is enough is you are prepared to listen heaps and heaps of times. I only understood about that much of a Swedish audiobook to which I listened to chapters 1-8 literally sixty times. I understood more and more even between the 50th and 60th times. It definitely helped me learn Swedish but I'd say it wasn't the quickest way.
If you consider that below 10% is a waste of time, then I'd say every 10% above that requires about half the amount of work for the same benefit, up to 80% which is then optimal.
So, say to get benefit x from listening to something, and you are a 10% comprehension - you'd need like 200 times through to get benefit x. To get THAT SAME benefit if you already understood 20%, you'd only need 100 times. 30%? 50 times. 40%? 25 times. 50%? 13 times would help. 60% and 7 times would help. 70% and 4 times would help, and at 80%, just two times would give you the same benefit. THESE NUMBERS ARE LOOSE, obviously. But you see what I am getting at.
So yes, it does help but you'll need so much of it that there are quicker ways to get to that 40% which will make it much more valuable to do, e.g. more 'formal' study on something like Busuu or SpanishPod101. But if you are going to listen to things you don't understand, you should start with repetitive listening, when you are driving or running or whatever.
Hope that helps!
Video recommendation: Pulling up memes/any humorous text based jokes in x target language that you have learned or have been studying, then talking about it to the audience. I know I would really enjoy it. It could even be a weekly sort of thing to keep things light while still focusing on language structure, pronunciation without the use of cliche phrases, and get a feel for humor from different countries.
Yeah, you're right. I'm not heaps into language jokes but I do need to figure out something like this to make recordings faster and to make something a bit "fresh" happen.
I also acknowledge that I am just not as funny a person as PewdiePie, so I'll need a while before comedy videos are actually funny.
Cheers for the suggestion! (And I'll try to reply to your email this week!)
@@daysandwords Alright, hope you have a good day man. Keep up the good work.
Hey Simon, have you ever seen a Russian joke? ha ha neither have I ))))))) no, in all seriousness, they seem to have this hmmmmm "different" sense of humour. ))) Sometimes I will send an Aussie joke over there and crickets is the reply )))))
I loved the picture you used for explaining the priming phase of learning a language, a fat guy in preparation for a marathon, I'll definitely gonna use it. Duolingo is actually good for priming and for priming ALONE.
I'm using the French course for German speakers on Duolingo, for 10 months, and I'm annoyed about how long it takes to finally learn the tenses. So I went on learning the tenses without Duolingo and now I know 7 tenses (with the irregular verbs), while on Duolingo, I've just finished the fourth one (And those four don't even have a conjugation, in which there can be irregular verbs).
I use duolingo bc sometimes I have trouble remembering words and it helps with that, and I'm b1 and it's been 5 months.
PS duolingo isn't my only resource but it is helpful for me
@@HarukaHearts B1 5 months in was a definite overreach because if anything I'm B1 now, my progress has been alright since then but duolingo definitely is a stellar resource for starting out
Personally, I use Chinese Skill and Hello Chinese. 1 course with each and then I listen to natives on youtube with subs and repeat exactly what they say and try to match it through a translator on my phone. I also speak with Natives that I met in China but I can't guarantee they'll always be free.. There are some ideas if that helps usually takes me a good hour and a half per day. I enjoy flexing my training methods haha
Comprehensible input is so important! I'm hard of hearing, and so many people want me to focus on speaking and listening because they think that I won't be able to learn a language otherwise. That's annoying. I love to read in my target languages. The more books I read, the better I get. Eventually, I'm able to learn some lipreading and speaking skills, but only after I've gotten to a MUCH higher level with input that I can access: reading and writing. Otherwise I'm just sitting there getting nothing out of whatever noise people are making with their face holes. (Autocaptions are terrible in English but basically useless if you don't already know the language fluently.)
This is a very useful review. I love the fat man illustration.
In my opinion, Duolingo *could* be a very useful tool if it prioritized vocabulary choices better. If it really did a good job focusing from the beginning on important sentence structures and high-frequency verbs instead of "the bear drinks water" then it would be an excellent way to get started in a language. Instead it manages to hit the perfect sweet spot of doing everything wrong: it doesn't give you enough input to really learn through exposure, and it also doesn't prioritize core vocabulary well enough to give you a foundation.
But hey, at least I'll never forget "cangrejo".
I am learning Swedish and it bums me out that your top 2 app recommendations, Busuu and Lingvist, don't offer that. Right now I'm working with Joakim's online "Say It In Swedish" program, and Memrise. I'm also on my public library's waiting list for the Pimsleur CD's (I'm next in line for that). I do watch the (few) Swedish language shows available on Netflix in the U.S., but the speaking on those waaaaaayyy to fast for me. However, I am able to recognize a lot of individual words and also learn some expression from that. I listen to Sveriges Radio P1 when I can. If you have any other recommendations for Swedish, please let me know. Tack!
Yeah that's true.
If you know how to use it, then SwedishPod101 is pretty good. How to use it:
Listen to the Swedish conversation and the slow version, and then with the Eng. translation and then the entire lesson in which they explain a lot of the stuff... and THEN FORGET ALL THE ENGLISH BITS and ONLY listen to the dialogue (which is availably as a separate track, and is only about 20-35 seconds long). And then you just get ALL the dialogue tracks and listen to them on repeat until your ears bleed haha. This works well if you drive or commute a lot.
Also, for Netflix shows, there is Chrome and Firefox extension called Video Speed Controller that can speed up and slow down videos by increments of 5% - so you can watch Netflix shows on 85% speed or 90%. It seems weird at first and the movement is a bit jolty, but you can understand them better and after a while you get used to it.
Also, for some shows, there are Swedish subtitles (there definitely are if you set a VPN to Sweden). Try watching "Bonsfamiljen" with Swedish subtitles; I think that will be really beneficial.
I'm planning a video for about 10 days from now ALL about how to learn Swedish in specific detail!
In the last 2 weeks I've watched almost 3 seasons of Första Dejten on SVT Play (with VPN). Great because it's reasonably simple/repetitive dialogue, and offers Swedish subtitles as well. Really useful for those reoccurring words.
I use Duolingo, but that is not the only tool I use to learn Arabic. I feel as if you supplement many types of apps and tools you can learn very quickly.
Great analogy.
Thank you. TBH I can't remember which analogy you mean cos it's been a while since I did this video haha.
My native is filipino/tagalog
and English is my second and I'm learning Spanish
German
And French
I'm learning Portuguese on Duolingo, 54 days in right now doing 100xp per day. My hope is that by Day 100 I know enough to feel confident enough to start using Tandem and start having conversations with people through there to supplement.
I used Duolingo for Czech until level 2. I had weekly uni classes for my target language.
But for *actual* practice I use Preply tuition a bit like iTalki. And having a person I can speak to has been the best use of my time by far because it helps me learn the words that I wanted to say and I didn’t know which are actually uselful for conversation.
I watch Peppa Pig (Prasátko Peppa) and other cartoons in Czech.
Read kids books in Czech. If others could recommend resources I’d be very grateful!
I couldn't force myself to continue with Duolingo's czech cours. I don't really like Duolingo all that much. There is just too much repetition and it gets boring as time flows. But still, there are some courses which are really well made and they actually teach you something, like the russian or the turkish courses on Duolingo. The czech course on the other hand is just abysmal. I somehow forced myself to complete about 20ish units of the Czech course and it was basically translating every single lesson the same sentences. František is a good friend. Žofie wants a new husband and something along these lines. Very dissapointed with their czech course.
A good analogy that of the marathon runner.
Many measure the number of days that they have studied a language on Duolingo, rather than how many modules they have done in that time. Also do they listen carefully to the speakers' way with words? and then pronounce the words many times. I recommend also writing down every translation, even if this takes more time. One is not in a race to show off days or lessons, and even in one's own language, it takes years to learn it well, and not just 2000/3000 basic words. Patience, dedication and repetition are important. A statement I heard some time ago puts it very clearly ..... "No one is born learned" ..... even if not perfect, it is clear to anyone!
You are right. I used Duolingo only for learning German for like 6 months, I got hardly anything out of it.
@@vola-2899 Busuu is good but I didn't want to pay money. I also don't want go always learn using apps.
True ! I only keep duolingo now for the streak...
We should try to do a session, it's been a long time!
Yeah, sorry to have mentioned you in this video without first having contacted you haha.
I've been SMASHED with iTalki lessons (both giving lessons in English and taking them in French) but yeah I do want to talk soon!
@@daysandwords Not a problem at all, I was watching the video and thought that this guy sounded a lot like me !😂
@@keziahtabassomi6723 Bien sûr, c'est absolument toi !
If you already know more than one language the funniest thing you can do on Duolingo is take shorcut tests back and forth between the languages you already know so as to improve your position on the ranking. I lost count of how many times I got to the 1st spot on a league by taking a 5-minute-long shortcut test in Portuguese for English speakers, Spanish for Portuguese speakers, French for Italian speakers, German for English speakers, or any other combination of these. In and of itself it wasn't useful from a language-learning standpoint, but it did give me a huge boost in morale to be no longer lagging behind a fellow Brazilian because he could obviously learn Spanish faster than I could learn Japanese or Korean, beating 'em at their own game is priceless.
Hey there it’s me from the other video where I asked if I should switch to Busuu, and I did I bought the full program and have been using it an hour a day for my German lessons. I’ve also found a few elders at my church who are native German speakers. I have trouble comprehending German in real time but I can read it and understand much better. Any ways that I can comprehend speaking any better?
Yes, thanks for taking my advice and I hope it helps!
There is no way around it: to understand German better, you need to listen to lots of German without subtitles. There are tonnes of UA-cam channels in German (go for the ones that are ONLY in German). Find one where they speak nice and slowly if you can... listen to it a lot AND DO NOT WORRY ABOUT UNDERSTANDING EVERYTHING. You will not understand everything. Kids don't understand half of what they see in kids' movies... but they keep watching as they grow up, until they understand The Prestige (zum beispiel).
Also, speaking breeds comprehension and comprehension breeds better speaking. So just try to get meaning out, it doesn't matter whether it's right or not. As you convey more meaning, you will hear more meaning on what other people say.
And you just start a positive cycle like that. The one most important thing is to keep listening even when you don't understand. This isn't building a house - if 10 bricks are missing, you won't die. Just keep listening. Aim for 1 hour a day of German listening.
Thanks for the encouragement! You’re a big help 👍
I think it's a good way of practicing grammar that's already set out so you don't have to make things yourself
I feel burnt out on the duo.
Haha, yeah. I think for the non-serious language learners, it keeps them going with the streak etc., and for the serious language learners, they start to hate it and feel like it's sucking their energy. So I guess you are a serious language learner.
@@daysandwords Ye that happened to me i took a break from duo then came back 3 months later
The problems I have currently, being a broke student is :
1. I can't spend money at all, very frankly, which is why Busuu doesn't work as well for me because it feels limited when free
2. I learn better through repetition but I also need diversification, so although Duolingo helped me learn a couple of words, I couldn't recall stick with it for very long simply because it lost whatever initial fun factor it had
Is there any way I could make an independent study plan and stick to it, and learn the basics of grammar for free? Learning German now
It can able you to do something or go somewhere. Like a starter
Able and use more mind paratices
Not just depends on the abling, use mind paratices also, like listening to music and watching tv
I'm using Duolingo for work because my job gets a few people here and there that only speak Spanish I'm not looking to know everything about Spanish just enough to communicate with the customers to help with basic needs.
Mi familia esta tranquila ever since duolingo returned them to mi casa.
What are some good French language UA-cam channels you’d recommend?
Hi for a project I’m going to survey people on there experience with different apps. Does anyone know any good apps I should put on the survey?
So the ones I can think of are Memrise, Babbel, Lingvist, BeeLingual, LingQ, Duolingo, Busuu, Mondly, Mango Languages.
This channel also has some really interesting ones that I had not heard of before and he makes fairly in-depth reviews of them:
ua-cam.com/channels/6FqLZGYKtIMh534BBYelcQ.html
I did a fair bit of the Russian tree on Duolingo, on PC not the app because the app is an absolute waste! Honestly the biggest benefit was helping me with spelling and typing, having to learn a new alphabet and keyboard layout. IMO typing common words over and over is a better way to learn than typing random nonsensical "words" on a typing training site.
I don't know what it is with duolingo, but I learned far more vocabulary and spelling just doing Anki then duolingo
I would recommend Duolingo BUT do practice conversations on UA-cam because Duolingo is good to learn some vocabulary, grammar, and a tad bit of conversation practice, (Duolingo has audio lessons for conversation practice which I think it’s only for Spanish, French, and English) and even if you use their audio lessons I would still recommend taking time to use UA-cam to do conversation practice to then learn more how the language is spoken and then get used to slightly more accurate pronunciation by trying to repeat as it is said (Duolingo is just a supplement)
None of these "better " apps have the language I'm trying to learn so that's the sole reason I've stuck with duolingo.
Using only Duolingo won't get you far. I started learning Italian 2 weeks ago, I use duolingo, memrise, language transfer, listen to podcasts/watch videos in Italian - some simple stuff for beginners but fully in Italian. My native language is Polish but I'm fluent in English. I also use Polish books for grammar. I feel like each and every of those tools have their place in my learning experience and contribute to getting me to my goal faster. Duolingo is for repetition and getting me addicted (through maintaining my streak and advancing in leaderboards) to learning Italian, memrise teaches me phrases, some actual sentences I could use, language transfer teaches me thinking in Italian, consuming podcasts and videos help me familiarize myself with the sound and use of the language, and the grammar books well... teach me grammar lol. My biggest problem is being systematic so duolingo is the remedy, but my previous experiences with duolingo in other languages taught me it isn't enough and this knowledge alone pushes me to use other tools. I think duolingo is useful, but you have to use it consciously, fully aware of its shortcomings, to utilize its full potential.
Évidemment je amour tu , I m learning French , can someone say if I said something in French or do I need practice
I’m learning French and I was wondering if you have any recommendations for slower easy UA-cam videos to watch in French for beginners
InnerFrench would be my top recommendation, and there is one called Français Authentique that's also reasonably slow and quite good.
Good idea. I'm going to watch UA-cam exclusively in French for 40 days. There's plenty of content. I like my Streak too, I'm at 277 days.
I have reached 600 days on Duolingo German. 140000 points and am in section 109. I get grammar from DFE and also follow Herr Antrim..I am able to think in German and no lonker translate in my head.
Pimsleur is working well for also folks take a look at a Russian TV series Better than us. You can choose loads of languages in my case Portuguese with English subtitles.
I like it so I can listen, see, and speak it. It's just short and simple for those lazy days 😴. I like that I get some words so I can understand even if I cant speak it very well.
Learning Arabic and I'm finding it good for drilling myself in the alphabet but gradually weaning myself off onto Busuu
I'm learning Arabic too and I actually find the duolingo very very useful. How is busuu? Never tried it before
I speak Norwegian, English, German and some Danish, Icelandic, and Faroese. I am learning Spanish with Duo Lingo. Spanish is my first romance language. After my 30th session I began to understand written commercials in Spanish. Google News has begun to send me the occasional ad in Spanish. I simply love Duo Lingo. But you don't need to use Duo Lingo exclusively. I am beginning to watch UA-cam clips in Spanish. I will go through the entire Duo Lingo course. But as I advance, I will watch more Spanish UA-cam videos because I can. That will augment my Spanish learning. I'm having a great time with Duo Lingo. Just my experience. I do admit I do not study a bunch of language methods.
Going through the entire Duolingo course is Spanish is ABSOLUTELY an example of doing it excessively.
@@daysandwords I don't know if this is excessive. But I want to read "A Hundred Years of Solitude." in its Spanish original. I don't mean "work my way through it. I mean to read it leisurely and with complete competence. The way I would pick up any book in a language which I am fluent.
I think the reading goal is great. That's (almost) how I read stuff in Swedish.
But I am telling you right now that if you do the entire Spanish Duolingo tree (which is HUGE but doesn't actually contain very much vocabulary), you will waste time in your original goal. What you should do instead:
Get another book (not 100 Years of Solitude), and find an efficient way of "mining" all the words you don't know in it (if you've got the ebook, Lingvist is a pretty good starting point for this... but there are other ways to do it). That will teach you hundreds, eventually thousands of words that you don't know... and will get you to reading any book you like. Duolingo will not... I had a 1070 day streak on Duolingo... I know these things. It's my job.
I'm doing kinda the opposite. I speak Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian and English. Now I'm learning Dutch on Duolingo, my second Germanic language. English is Germanic but it has so much vocabulary which comes from Latin and French so Dutch is much harder for me. However it's not very hard as I thought. I've used other apps and resources but Duolingo is my go-to app. I've learned a lot of vocabulary on Duolingo and I can understand many things in Dutch already.
Sorry I skipped the vid bc I wanted to find a answer of smith but if u can respond why does it take so long to continue I just started and it hi there am due and when I click continue it makes me wait, so how long do I have to wait?❤❤❤
They've changed it now in order to make more money. It's just a normal paid app now, like any other.
If I were you, I'd just stop using it.
@@daysandwords oh okay
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough.
On my 1308 day, I finished the Chinese course 🎉
i got noticeable results with duolingo after a fourteen day learning streak :-)
I'm learning Arabic and I don't recommend Busuu for beginners. They assume you already know the alphabet. Duolingo teaches the Arabic alphabet (or rather abjad) very well
Yes I would 100% agree with that. I also found Duolingo useful for Arabic when I did a month of it like 9 months ago, and Busuu was too hard and was MSA (which Duo also it, but at least it's easy enough to actually do).
It works briliantly right now. I learned how to tell Anna and Maria that they are women in German.
If i undertands and Tv series i am if it iis then Thanks Duolingo
I thought you were going to say that he probably subconsciously looked up those words.
5:06 Okay, U.S. President Taft.
I think you want to say,
It can able you to...
More like the word you are trying to discrete is able
Well it's good that you know what I want to say because no one has any IDEA what you are talking about.
I think duolingo is a good app to learn the different alphabets
10:10 did you switch to Spanish for 1 word there?
Had a listen... no, it's all in English, not sure what you mean.
Ohhh, you said “but are,” but I heard “para.” I speak the rural East Tennessee variety of English 😂. Really enjoy your videos 🙂
Im using duolingo as a boredom breakere
wrong it all depends on how much you are willing to learn and remember a language !!
Duolingo still won't EVER work if that's your main source, doesn't matter how much you want to learn the language.
100 hours or 200 hours to reach an stage where all input is comprehensible? I think you are way underestimating how long it takes to reach such a stage.
OK so I may not have made myself clear. "Comprehensible input" is a term used by language learners to denote language that we can understand ONLY TO THE LEVEL THAT IT STARTS BEING BENEFICIAL. That is, most language learners say that 80% is good. If you can understand 80%, then the last 20% is what you will learn by hearing that input. For me, that number can actually be lower in some cases, e.g. I can often only properly understand 60-70% but I still find myself able to learn words and infer meaning. "Comprehensible input" does not mean being able to understand it completely. So, yeah, for me, 100 hours is enough to get me to the point that I can understand around 70%, or 80% depending on what the input it. 40% if it is like an argument in a courtroom, but when I said this, I meant for videos such as the innerFrench podcast, which is slow and uses simple language which he clarifies sometimes.
Remember this is in languages NEAR to each other like French and English. I have only done about 150 hours of French in total and I understand well over 80% of the Inner French podcast, in fact I understand about 96% of it, and French movies I understand about 60-70%. But French and English are very close.
With Swedish I might have done 150 hours before understanding 70-80% of a podcast. It certainly wasn't much more.
I probably understated it for other languages. e.g. Chinese it might be 500 hours rather than 200. But it can't be that much more because if you look at the Foreign Service Institute figures, it mentions about 1500 hours to like, full fluency. The thing is, if you are measuring this in "Duolingo time", then yeah, it might be 600 hours of French and 2000 hours of Chinese before input becomes comprehensible... that's because Duolingo is slow.
@@daysandwords I am familar with the term comprehensible input but what wasnt clear was what you meant by understanding , you said that you meant podcast, I heard you saying "where all input is comprehensible" , and I said to myself "a lecture in the university is also an input, does he mean that after 100 or 200 hours that kind of input would be comprehensible too?" that is when I scratched my head and commented.
@@rasmusa9212 Yeah that's fair. My explanations have to be brief... A 12 minute video is already long.
I think I even DID actually go off onto a tangent about what you're not going to be able to listen to but I edited it out because here's the thing: No one watching this is going to then time themselves doing 100 hours of German and then start listening to a Nietszche audiobook and say "Aha, that guy lied!"
People need SOME direction in terms of what they listen to but most people are drawn to stuff they can benefit from. My point here was just that the exercises you do (e.g. Pod101 or Busuu or Babbel or whatever) don't take you to the finish line. They take you to the starting line.
And just a related side note, I actually find university lectures in French easier than some basic material because in French, the higher you go, the more words match English, e.g.:
"Pouvez-vous éxpliquer la situation politique et economique en France ?"
It's much easier than something like "Ou se trouve l'écureuil ? Dans l'arbre ou sur le sol ?"
But a kid is going to the understand the latter, not the former.
@@rasmusa9212 Actually I just happened to see this footage from the video again (because I was editing my next video and this footage was still present) and I ACTUALLY said:
1. This is a massive oversimplification
2. Except for like, lectures in philosophy or something
3. This is until all input is somewhat comprehensible.
So then at the end I kind of contradicted myself by saying "everything will be comprehensible" - but by that I meant SOMEWHAT comprehensible. To me, 40% comprhension is comprehensible. It might not be particularly beneficial but I think it's SOMEWHAT beneficial. 70-80% is better yes. But 40% is definitely doable after 100 hours in a close language.
I disagree. Id find it hard for a person to not go outside duolingo for more learning. Reading stories and listening to podcast. Id imagine if you finished all units then you would likely be fluent b1/b2. It can take 2 - 4 years to finish duo on espanol.
So you're saying 2-4 years for somewhere between B1 and B2? That's pretty slow in an anglosemblant language.
All these apps, websites, and courses have their merits and they are good to use, but are too advanced for the beginning student. You have to start by going from a Statement to a Question and back. You can teach a toddler to ride a tricycle with a cafe racer if you want to, but a tricycle works better.
Which apps do you mean, the ones that you're saying are too complicated for the beginning student?
It depends on the student's tolerance for discomfort. Steve Kaufmann agreed with me that in French you can basically jump into native material, and almost make that difficult text.
@@daysandwords, once you learn how to speak your target language, ALL the apps will work just fine in different ways, but they DO work. We hear that people are supposed to read, listen to music, go get immersed in another language, get a language partner on "italki", etc. I agree, but only AFTER you know how to make a simple conversation, and it should be done with someone who has studied the same material you have, so that both speakers are at the same level. And to just begin all you have to do is to change Statements to Questions and back. Once you know how language works, you can use that in learning the language you desire...it's just spelled and used differently. You have an interesting channel.
Shouldn’t the title be ’how long before duolingo doesn’t work’?
Kanske det. Men jag pratade om både och, eller hur?
I pretty much stopped using duolingo after I lost my streak, i used to do the exercises close to midnight, if i went a little bit later, that would be another day. I wanted to opt out of the streak system because I believe in order to learn a language you need to practice it everyday, it doesn't need to be on duolingo. Sometimes i get back to it, but I always make sure I don't get attached to my streak.
How long am I going to keep your family in the basement do your lessons
Simple answer. NEVER.
Well, it USED to be good for getting a base level. But these days it's about as fast as a snail who has been trodden on.
duolingo has completely bastardised the more mainstream languages: german, french, italian etc. now the sentences are weak and lame, with none of the whimsical creativity that made them memorable years ago. "I go outside", "she has a shirt", "the ball is orange". only mediocre 1st grade level speech and it's not even the initial lessons either. sentences like this abound in the later parts of the ladder, the ones about specific subjects.
fortunately, this diseased mindset hasn't spread to less popular languages. so there's that
I am finishing Duolingo French level six. It is full of errors. I have asked lots of questions of native French speakers, and quite often the English translation is wrong. In addition the English is often unintelligible, or ungrammatical eg "Are you the eldest of your brothers" is meaningless. The Duolingo translation of "I travel to the US" is "Je voyage dans les États Unis" which actually means "I travel within the US". And so on. I could go on and on. And when I check the Duo forum I see that these errors are usually known about and were found years ago. And there are bugs. Sometimes in the case of a multiple choice question I cannot press the right answer because the button does not work. Sometimes when I type an answer it hides the text so I cannot read what I am typing. Arrrrgggghhh.And then there is the fact that they really push woke politics. Pleeeease, do not preach politics at me. Finally there are leagues and points. When you finish a lesson loads of screens pop up, all but one pointless. They try to focus you on collecting points, to the detriment of learning. You should take your time on lessons, explore the language, not rush to maximise your score. I give it one star out of five. Bussu is much better, as is. Mondly etc.
I agree with all of this except "Are you the eldest of your brothers?", which makes perfect sense. I'm not sure what you think the problem with that is.
@@daysandwords Because you are not one of your brothers. If you have two brothers, Olaf and Sven, and I say "Are you the oldest of Olaf and Sven", that does not make sense. But "Are you older than Olaf and Sven " does make sense. I suspect people might say the wrong form, we all use poor English at times, but I expect a language application to teach grammatically correct English and French. Another example is "She got cut from shaving". That is awful English. "She cut herself shaving" is more normal. Or "These sheets are too dirty, it’s unacceptable" which suggests that dirty hotel sheets are fine, as long as the dirt is within allowed limits. It’s an absurd sentence. Or "The train is taking off and we haven’t bought our tickets" suggesting flying trains. Or at a wedding "The groom is not coming anymore" which suggests that the groom regularly came to the church but has decided to stop. What they mean is "We no longer think the groom will come". There are many more examples, including some French grammar faults that native French speakers corrected for me. The expressions are sloppy, careless, as if written by someone who has never studied languages formally. And don’t get me started on the fatuous animal obsession: "The boss won’t travel anwhere without his penguin", "There is a monkey in my bed" and so on.