The Nature of Human Nature: A Conversation with Robert Plomin (Episode
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks with Robert Plomin about the role that DNA plays in determining who we are.
They discuss:
-the birth of behavioral genetics
-the taboo around studying the influence of genes on human psychology
-controversies surrounding the topic of group differences
-the first law of behavior genetics
-heritability
-nature and nurture
-the mystery of non-shared environment
-the way genes help determine a person's environment
-epigenetics
-the genetics of complex traits
-dimensions vs disorders
-the prospect of a GATTACA-like dystopia and genetic castes
-heritability and equality of opportunity
-the implications of genetics for parenting and education
-DNA as a fortune-telling device
-and other topics
Robert Plomin is MRC Research Professor in Behavioural Genetics at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience, King’s College London and has previously taught at the University of Colorado Boulder and at Pennsylvania State University. He has received lifetime research achievement awards from the major associations related to his field (Behavior Genetics Association, Association of Psychological Science, Society for Research in Child Development, International Society for Intelligence Research), as well as being made Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, British Academy, American Academy of Political and Social Science, and Academy of Medical Sciences (UK).
Robert’s latest book, “Blueprint: How DNA Makes Us Who We Are,” makes the case that DNA inherited from our parents at the moment of conception can predict our psychological strengths and weaknesses.
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Released: July 17, 2020
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Me and my twin brother took part in some of Plomin’s intelligence studies since we were young. Happy to have informed his research.
@Joe lol
Yes we heard your brother is way smarter
@Joe eh that's a dumb grammar rule anyway
@Joe There's an exemption for twins. In fact, in many cases the speaker is allowed to say "My twin brother and/or I..."
Hey man good to see you here
This was one of the best podcasts to date, which is saying a lot. Amazing work, thank you.
This is one of the best ones you've had in quite a while. Thanks for the content Sam!
Yes, I'm reading the blank slate at the moment so it was very interesting.
There can be no doubt regarding the love and commitment that Sam Harris has to both freedom of intellectual investigation and the maintenance of social courage.
I admire the financial independence of people, But you can live better if you work a little more. After watching this I think there are people out there, on the extreme, who plan to die early just to be able to retire early. To each their own but to me, retirement isn't just about not having to work, it's about having the freedom to do whatever you might reasonably want, such as travel, buying things, enjoying life, etc. I don't think I could retire with less than $3m in income-generating investments, maybe $2m at the very minimum. I plan to work until I'm at least 45
Nobody knows anything, you need to create your own process, manage risk and stick to the plan, through thick or thin while also continuously learning from mistakes and improving
@@MarcusFred-wn3iv Having an investment adviser is the best way to go about the market right now, especially for near-retirees, I've been in touch with a coach for a while now mostly cause I lack the depth knowledge and mental fortitude to deal with these recurring market conditions, I netted over $220K during this dip, that made it clear there's more to the market that we avg joes don't know
@@BrunoLuke Who’s the person guiding you
@@MarcusFred-wn3iv credits to *MARTHA ALONSO HARA*, one of the best portfolio managers out there. she's well known, you should look her up
@@BrunoLuke Thank you, I just checked her out and I have sent her an email. I hope she gets back to me soon.
Partial episodes are actually perfect size episodes of Ham Sarris content. I'm usually asleep before housekeeping is through, for that I thank you.
Agreed
PLEASE bring back the download key so I can download and listen later, it's really inconvenient for us in Iran and I suppose other countries that don't have good access and stable internet.
I'm in Europe with internet but download when I can like you, try vanced downloader
go to share link and copy the link than you can search "youtube to mp3 converter" and enter the link too download doesn't work with every mp3 converter tho because the video is long.
Just email them and ask for a subscription.
The website displays a list of compatible Podcatchers - I use the default Apple one.
It’s a podcast dude. Go to the podcast app
try savethevideo.c0ΩΩ for yt links, watch out for the pop-ups
I'm imagining John Malkovich and Ben Stiller having this conversation.
Oh wow this is spot on. Super enjoyable for my ears
If this guy is bald then I imagine that's what it actually looks like lol
or Larry David's lawyer.
THANKS FOR NOTHING! Now I can't hear anything else 🤣🤣🤣
@@jasonbinedell3509 me too
It's podcast like these that i will never lose faith in keeping Sam Harris in my Rolodex...
You should run for President Sir. The way you argue and handle facts is outstanding and rare. Every time I hear you speak, whether it is on artificial intelligence, religion, science, economics, psychology, racism, inequality, or police brutality, it always strikes me how masterly and skillfully you work your way through a subject, reaching conclusions that are either true, brilliant, or thought provoking. And always done in a comfortable calm demeanor that never ceases to convince me. It’s almost like brainwashing... but in the BEST of ways! Please take such brilliance and intellect to the White House. It’s truly needed! I beg you Sir. The Country needs sanity. @Sam Harris...The world needs it. A plea from a Danish citizen.
You're forgetting that the majority do not have or practice the intellectual capacity when they vote.
Hey Sam, it would be awesome to see Ham Sarris on the podcast!
Already done : Episode 134.
@@tonycatman Nah, that episode was actually Sam Harris in conversation with Holeman Cughes!
@@DerekMoore82 Sorry - you are right :)
Many of the comments under the video spoke of this "Ham Sarris" chap.
Partly because it was tricky to work out who was actually speaking.
All four of them (Ham, Sam, Holeman and Coleman) have very similar styles of delivery.
Yea i dont think Ben Stiller does many movies these days. Surely he can make some time.
Who ever knew John Malkovic knew so much about genetic heritability. 🤓
Amazing. He even changed his name!
Expected 10000 likes when I saw this. Very underrated comment lol
I can't un-hear it now.
That awful dad joke was due to your genetic makeup and I don't blame you for that.
That's all I picture now thanks XD
Fascinating! Sam's podcast is one of my faves. So many remarkable discussions. I have learned so much!
It's in my nature to say thank you.
It's more likely in your genes :P
I on the other hand was trained to.
*OMG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE LIKE SAM TO DO A PODCAST WITH HIM!!!*
the science stars at 25:46
25:39 cut the woke tax here
28:12 70% of variance in body weight
30:39 Alcoholism ~40%
32:43 6*10^9 base pairs, 99% same
50:05 cut ur shrink off
Thanks, incredible that Sam have to spend so much time apologizing for a conversation that they have not yet had.
Mr. Harris: Invaluable information sir!!! Thank you so so much for these insights about how human beings can reach various tipping points. Beautifully done.
My brother in law was adopted into a family and he didn't take on the attributes of his adoptive parents or siblings. He was the odd one out in pretty much every way.
My aunties were adopted into our family at a very young age (by my grandparents). They are indentical twins who grew up together but then lived appart for the subsequent 60 years, yet they are more similar to each other even now than they are to the rest of us.
Vert nice stories from the POV of human interest 🤍.
As long as they're not being proffered as anectotal evidence.
You've figured it all out through personal experience 👏
It’s a comment section, he shared personal experience and you guys have to add your petty 2 cents.
@thomas anderson I think the idea that the parents shaping kids is better comes from the possibility of educating people to raise children in a better way. Either way, truth is truth and it doesn't care about our preferences.
Being separated from a biological mom can influence how newborns turn out, as can any bad parenting traits that may have led to the separation.
"i haven't been called a nazi for years... "
life goals :)
Thank you guys
Keep going, Sam! Ignore the bad-faith actors.
You can argue with DNA. * Contamination is always a risk. *Most of our genes are not mapped yet. *Likely there is a combination of genes that are involved with specific physical and psychological traits. *Your/your caregivers choice of environment and behavior likely affect the onset, the offset and the expression of certain genes.
Thank you for discussing this important interesting topic! I appreciate you sharing your results and reflections with us!
one of the best podcasts ive ever listened to period. Just perfect.
25:46
"What is the first law of behavior genetics" In the mainstream media, the first law of behavior genetics is that you don't talk about behavior genetics.
Ha! Amazing. 😄😝
My favorite portion is the housekeeping segment
Just went back and listened to #73 and bought the Bell Curve - fascinating!
Damn, seeing a woman post something like this, I would literally marry you based on this comment and grainy photo of you. Sigh....
Michael is a simp
This was an interesting conversation as always. What struck me was the contrast to the arguments being made by Daniel Markovits in the “Meritocracy” episode. Markovits’ argument seemed to imply that there are significant differences in outcomes that come from being born into an upper class family. The rich can afford to send their children to elite schools, hire coaches, etc; and that this confers significant advantages to these children. The message of this episode appears to be just the opposite. I wonder if there is any way to reconcile these two points of view?
16:22 if sex differences account for 1% of the individual variance in normally distributed traits, you still have decent odds of guessing whether a prodigy in a given area is a male or female. This is true even if you don't know much about a given individual based on on sex, because the tail of the distribution will be much less diverse with even a slight offset at the means. If you don't get it, don't worry; Larry Summers may have had to resign from Harvard precisely because this is so hard even for ivy leaguers to understand, despite the dramatic over-representation of men in prison for violent crimes. "Genetic extremes of single-gene mutations" may further compound or erase this effect (depending on prevalence in the population).
Makes perfect sense to me as you explained it.
I know this is not the best metaphor for an explanation, but I try to convey it to people like this:
There is a 1% difference in human and chimp genes. But look at the difference.
This is exactly the example Jordan Peterson uses. He says that men are about 10% more aggressive than women. So if you pick a random man and a random woman from the population. If you guess that the man is more aggressive than the woman you'll be right 6 out of 10 times. Which is not very significant. But if you go the extremes. And pick one person randomly from the top 10 most aggressive people in the population and try to guess their gender. If you guess they're male, you'll be right 9 out of 10 times.
_Sky_ Thats also true but its something completely different
@@Nia-zq5jl True, true. But I found that easily conveys the idea that 1% of difference can be a fricking lot.
Speak with Jared Taylor.
Would be an incredible conversation, but there's no way that would happen
Sam won't do it, there's no way
The moron who endorsed biden?
Hey Sam, I’m a data scientist and I was curious if there are any publicly available datasets that I’d be able to analyze to investigate the nature versus nurture effect. I suppose that’s a really open ended question given that there are thousands of variables and even more measurable outcomes (physical traits, behavioral, health outcomes, socio economic, etc). If there isn’t a ton of data available, what strategies do you think policy makers might be able to implement to collect more data?
I love this podcast.
Exquisite upload, Samantha
Is there an option in UA-cam settings to hide all comments that mentions “Ben Stiller” and “John Malkovic”???
The people who know the answer
cannot see your question.
@@mikhailfranco I've had such a suspicion...
As I subsciber to, and listener of, Sam's podcasts, I found this one to be one of the most interesting. The implications of the discoveries being made related to genetics are staggering and are changing the way we view who we are and why we do what we do. This is really exciting stuff. And if you like the podcast, you shoud ready Robert Plomin's "Blueprint", as it goes into great detail about the herditability of psycological traits based on long term studies.
Would it be better for group differences to be genetic or environmental? I think either way we will find it hard to swallow the facts and move society and our species forward.
Love the image you used for this one
I would love to make the subtitles in Spanish for your podcasts, there is a lot of good information that Spanish talkers in third world countries such as mine aren't able to get due to the language barrier.
Easily the most intellectually spirited conversation between Kermit the Frog and John Malkovich I’ve ever had the pleasure of listening to.
Great episode though, in all seriousness. You definitely need to have him on again!
Sam wasn't having him on he was completely straight. The American Heritage® Dictionary of Idioms:
2. have someone on; put someone on. Deceive or fool someone, as in There was no answer when I called; someone must be having me on, or You can't mean you're taking up ballet-you're putting me on! [Colloquial; mid-1800s]
It's nice to feel the guys compassion
I'm not sure social justice is mainly responsible for the pushback on genetic research. I think WW2 era genetic research has done the most damage.
Little a, little b.
@Christoffer Yes, people forget about Japan (unit 231) I think. But it goes back to WW1 even, eugenics. Teddy Roosevelt loved that stuff. We just have to pay close attention to our tribal nature. In-Group and Out-Group thinking.
Its social justice
I love Plomin, if you ever can, have him on again! :) (I'm a huge Plomin fan)
Sam, you''ve been quite an inspiration for me for a very long time: I hope you'll correct your simplistic (feel free to read as: obvioulsly WRONG) sentence at 9:30 so that we can keep it that way.
Im so happy to listen to your podcast Sam, and also im so happy when i read the chat because it makes me realize that smart people still exist in the cacophony we living right now. It gives me hopes that in the end we will win the ultimate battle, which is common sense vs. ignorance! Wish all of you a lot of health
This video is worth watching! More of this, please!
The problem about the Murray conversation blowback and the this guests reason to not like the justification for the research simply isn't good enough! You shouldn't be scared to look into or talk about anything.
A few hundred years ago you may wanted to talk about the world being round, some people would want to burn you for heresy.
These radicals don't understand the fundamental principles of free thought and expression, we should allow people to talk or research anything, however uncomfortable or disgusting we may find it.
You have the right to talk about anything you want, people have the right to criticize you.
Harp Smith that doesnt make the criticism warranted or the critics intelligent for doing so
@@williamschlass4598 Doesn't mean that the criticism is not warranted or the critics not intelligent for doing so
@@harpsmith8570 okay thanks for the valuable input
Plomins' book became one of Jared Taylor's favourites as soon as it was published. He claimed it vindicated everything he was saying for decades. Any chance you can have Taylor on your podcast to refute his claims? That would be a most fruitful discussion and would send ratings through the roof.
He will not, mostly because of Taylor's reputation. But I do feel sorry for the guy. He doesn't seem to hate anyone, just trying to explain human nature to humans.
Isn't that the guy who uses Haiti as an example for his racist position?
@@PlayNiceFolks calling him racist is what people usually do, instead of debating him.
There is a UA-cam “Sean last” who goes over much of this information in-depth as well. Worth looking into his videos.
Hello Mr. Sam, I'm Ahmad from Lebanon..why don't you add a translation for your videos?
Hi just watching a video. thought it was great thank you Sam
When did you switch back to the old music intro?
About 1 year before the nuclear annihilation of 2021.
Where did it come from? I mean, who produced it, and how did it become the music for this?
Yeah, I love this one. It's like Brian Eno and Hans Zimmer scored the aftermath of an alien invasion. The guitar piece sounded like an automated bathroom air freshener smells.
When he realized it's more fitting for the world we live in today.
Awesome discussion.
The nature of science and the science of nature
I would love to see a conversation between Plomin and Sapolsky!
I’d love the three to give a talk of their science and insights in terms of making society more informed and educated around these issues. Especially around social issues, health policy, justice reform, education and general human wellbeing.
@@jamespaternoster7354 Well, they would disagree. Plomin puts too much stock in the magnitude of how much genes play a role. Sapolsky does the complete opposite.
@@timeisup3094 I did wonder as much, it’s not impossible that in time they could learn from each other. There core message in terms of nature bests nurture is something they both understand and educate about as well.
@@jamespaternoster7354 No? Nature and nurture are not in competition. They work together. Plomin insists on inflating the magnitude of genes.
@@timeisup3094 I never said it was a competition just just nature is a bigger modifier for how we are as individuals than nurture that doesn’t mean that nurture has not input. The issue is is the all ways nurture expresses itself in any given situation is determined by the preceding mix of nature and nurture. For example a mother is stressed and this impacts the child but her greater than typical stress is caused by epigenetics linked back to her grandparents being tortured in a national conflict scenario. This was then caused in primary terms by an environmental causal factor (nature) then interacting with the grandparents neurobiological processes (nature) to then impact there parenting skills, social norms, manner and other such factors as a person (nurture) there is obviously an interplay of both at every moment but there are so many more variables that are non internal nature aka environmental determinism which include smell, culture, religion, language, norms, taste, diet, technology, age, status, illnesses the list is literally endless all interacting with each individual’s neurobiological makeup. He may die to his own bias have a heater focus on the role of genes but they definitely due based on his work and many others evidently have a massive impact on human behaviour and personality etc
Amazing how much we can gain as a species when we are unbiased
Nice hat
Did you enjoy that add free experience? Did you hear the part about how 100% of requests for a free account will be granted?
N O B O D Y is unbiased
Love your work, Sam. I miss Hitch sooo much. Two pieces of 😬 advice. Get off social media. Before SM if there was a drunk mental patient across the street that was throwing his fecal matter at you and hurling insults you would just dodge the shit and move on. No point engaging, right? But that same guy now has 50 SM accounts and for some reason you take notice and engage. Get off social media, recover 25% of your productivity and 100% of your sanity / optimism. Second piece, which will naturally follow the first, skip the laments. Focus on honest conversations and quality of work. The rest will take care of itself.
Why don't you just by a camera Sam? Your videos will definitely get more views than audio...
both my father and grandfather were great at drawing, and my 2 brothers got taught to draw at a young age, while I didn't and only started when I was older, and all of us have probably the almost exact same talent to drawing
Plomin’s “Blueprint” not to be confused with Nicholas A. Christakis’s “Blueprint.” Both books came out around the same time, but have different conclusions. Christakis argues that DNA is only part of the story of what causes our human nature.
I tend to agree with Christakis, but Plonin’s book is a must-read! He does an excellent job of describing how he sees it, and I think you need that before going into Christakis’s book.
Highly recommend both Blueprints!!
When will Sam add video?
What a way to start a day :)
Love your work Sam but it would be even better if you wouldn't go on a monologue about your grievances against regressive woke leftists and how unfair their treatment has been. We get it. They are intolerant assholes but at some stage you've gotta let that wound heal and not scratch it again everytime there's a conversation like this. It sorta sours the rest of the great insightful discussion imo.
This. Get off of Twitter. This whole hatred of 'Twitter and the NYT' has to end. Sam needs to realize that all of the people who don't use or read those things don't give a shit about what's happening in your little bubble. There's a huge world outside of Twitter.
@Seven VWow. Im a random stranger on the internet and yet you made a whole bunch of psychoanalytical assumptions like you actually know me, my biases or my temperament. I abhor overly woke sjw's as well. But as a listener, genuinely, everytime there's a conversation like this, Sam repeats all the past unfair grievances ad nauseum. Its tiresome at this point personally. We know Glenn Greenwald, Reza Azlan are assholes. We know Ezra Klein can be disingenuous. They did a podcast together and i think most people will agree that Klein came off worse from that podcast. We all know this. All his regular listeners know this. At this point, it just genuinely kills the flow of conversation for me personally. You can obviously disagree with that. Your thoughts are shaped by your personal experiences I suppose.
@Seven V Almost everything you have written has nothing to do with the original post...Sam has done this for years now, before any rioting began.
This episode brought to you by the word "punchline."
Hi, Ive been meditating for quite some time now, and everytime i do it While being high (marihuana) i can connect to the experience more easily, in fact it feels like its the only way worth doing. My question is it seems to me that meditation is a tool for living in a reality in which everything seems more new and strong, dont know how else to describe, and From that place and only that place you can become enlightned. It would be extremely helpful if you could answer this for me, Thank you
You are already enlightened...you just believe the thought “I am not enlightened”. Ignore thinking for a moment...enter presence...there ya go, that’s Heaven/enlightenment. You don’t need weed or meditation to get there, because you’re already there always.
Cooper Roberts i just had a small hit of marihuana and im able with a bit of concentration to see the ego, the self, my personality really just as the illusion it is, just for a Few moments anyways, ive read that is called the dzogchen method, in which you arrive everytime you meditate to that understanding, if only for a moment, but why the fuck does it come clear to me only with a hit of marihuana and in a normal state is so hard? Sorry for my swearing and if my English is not ok I’m from Argentina. Anyways it’s not a matter of believing to be enlightned or not, at least for me, I know when I think that I’m not enlightned it’s just the ego thinking that and I should go back to presence, experience, but that doesn’t lead me to the understanding, or the experience of having no self. Anyways I know I’m not yet a good meditator, actually I’m pretty bad it’s really hard for me to focus, but I’m gonna keep meditating intensely until I get there, my concern or my hope actually is if anyone has any idea on how I could get to that understanding without the weed?
duuuuuuude. i'm getting so enlightened
It's odd how both courageous and cowardly Sam is when discussing this topic. He's courageous because he even discussing them at all, but cowardly because he feels he needs to pad each 'controversial' statement with a thick wall of caveats that proclaim he's not a racist. Dude, we know you're not a racist. Who are you doing it for? The people who brand you as a racist don't care about your caveats they'll say you're racist no matter what you say.
Also, both of them kind of brush off the topic of studying group differences as useless. What are you talking about? Currently, a whole suite of social policies predicated on the assumption that group differences don't exist. Sam himself says that any deviation from 'the blank slate' is taboo. If your research finds that men are better than women in math, even by 1%. Then it shouldn't surprise you that the majority of the best mathematicians are men. (Because the best ones are at the high tail of the distribution.) This will prove that discrimination and unfair treatment is not the only viable explanation to why men are the top mathematicians. Yet for some reason, Sam thinks this isn't valuable information and that pretending that any difference in outcome between various groups is solely due to discrimination or racism is a fine idea.
Sam, I am huge fan! Having done a psychoanalysis (and changed) I strongly recommend that you talk to a psychoanalyst on these topics. I am sure, if I had a twin that has grown up in Oklahoma City (I am German) she would be similar in body weight, intelligence, her capacity to play the piano (=none), maybe even have the same temper as I have. But I really don't see how she could be haunted by the same demons if she has never met mine..... it would be interesting to see what kind of questions are being asked to twins in the studies you discuss, how much time is spent with them. I am sure that any scientist/psychologist who spends hours, even days or weeks with me does not understand who I am, how I stand in the world (is this English?), how I feel, how I dream, what I wish! And this is what makes me me. Not my BMI.
It is largely disingenuous to state that the only thing JK has said was acknowledge biological sexual differences.
I love how Ben just kind of rambles aimlessly for 20 seconds at the end of every segment.
*Sam, please get off of Twitter. From the point of view of all of us who are not on it at all (and live in the real world), your constant haranguing about your experience there is tiring. What you experience in the Twitter bubble is NOT the real world. But you won't see that until you get off of it.*
@ That's fine, but folks with malicious intent are only a threat if he gives them oxygen (starting by him being on social media). Just do your work, find your audience, and ignore the haters. Someone writing mean words about you isn't going to kill you, and needn't have any effect on you. Everyone seems to have forgotten the #1 rule of the internet from 20+ years ago: Don't feed the trolls.
@Christoffer If your reputation is solid amongst a group (especially as Sam's is), I don't see any reason why any lie should matter. (Come on, you have 'Christ' in your name. I expect better.) ;)
I like Sam Harris a lot but I wish he would allow the guests to speak. He interjects, explains and projects for minutes on what the guest has to say before they even open their mouth. For someone who is a proponent of meditation, he certainly doesn't' like to stay quiet and just listen :)
I like his commenting..must be our DNA differences.
YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS! I'M CALLING EZRA KLEIN! You're cancelled, mister 😂
😂
🤣 🤣 🤣
being from a large family, what he says around 40' about non shared environment--enlightening
What a terrific, thoughtfully interesting and provoking discussion!
Heads up he says all the controversial things in the second hour. No! This is not a cynical ploy to get Sam to upload the entire podcast.
Who's starting YT from zero?! All of us! Best wishes everyone! Keep learning and keep grinding😀🤣
Rowling didn't just "admit that biological sex is a thing which causes people to behave differently." She started parroting a bunch of outright bigotry against trans and gender nonconforming people. That's why she's being cancelled.
Is this not on apple podcast?
Blowback is pretty much endemic to podcasting no matter what the topic in the current environment.
What better way to suppress the evolution of the human species, than by disallowing them from discussing their own genetics.
Am I hearing this right?
(22:05) - _"It's only because I have taken elaborate pains to _*_inure_*_ myself to the blowback to these kinds of conversations that I even can have them. Honestly, in any other role in society - had I been a professor at a university; had I been a normal journalist who had a boss - I think I would have lost my job based on the blowback from my conversation with Charles Murray, and that's a sobering _*_reality_*_ (reminder) of the environment we're in."_
Well, am I?
Mr Harris, you should watch an interview of UG Krishnamurti in a show called « Thinking allowed ».
I’ve listened to this podcast twice and once again I don’t hear the racism! Just logic and reason. I was born and raised in the “ghetto” and I know firsthand the (Individual) differences they speak of. The majority of the people in my neighborhood suffer greatly from intellectual poverty, I don’t think it’s a blanket issue for the whole black race, but it has a lot to do with a lack of scientific literacy and a strong belief in theological doctrine which leads to a shut down of critical thinking. And these thought patterns are taught and learned from generation to generation. Even I who committed crimes and did time am a whole different person largely in part do critical thinking and scientific literacy among other things. If I can go from a major drug dealer who would murder another human being without a second thought to a man who understands the important need for social cohesion for the future of our species, who learned algebra and calculus, memorized the periodic table of elements and so much more, then I seriously doubt its genetic. Keep speaking honestly Sam, I love your podcast.
Fuck yea man. Good for you!
I honestly believe human CAN unlearn almost any unproductive behavior. It just has to be the right person at the right place at the right time to say something in the properly worded way.
It was nice of John Malkovich to take time out of filming Space Force season 2 to discuss genetics.
wow thx for free request
Did he explain the TDS phenomenon? Haven't found the chance to listen yet...
Interesting to assess consersation from multiple contexts, environments, communities and individuals' inter-connected perspectives 👁️☯️👁️
Do a pod cast with Todd Grande!! On the 5 factor model on psychopathy. PlEASe!!!!
i find it way more relaxing understanding human nature and biology then walking around constantly in denial, angry at scientist doing the same work that saved us from the middle ages at took us into a high tech world.
nothing is fair, duh. but at least now you see all the cards and can play whatever hand you're dealt.
Except you can't see all the cards and you can't really play any card you actually do know of.
As a victim of parental psychological abuse from both parents, it is difficult to hear that 75% of your anxiety and depression is NOT because of your parents' behaviour... That being said, the data is insufficient in a lot of other ways... Firstly, physical outcomes are very different to psychological outcomes because of the psychological feedback loop - genetics may affect how your parents treat you, but that negative treatment feeds back into the way you behave, which feeds back to the way you are treated, etc. - this doesn't really occur with physical outcomes... Secondly, the government has regulated much of the childhood environment in order to prevent the devastating impact that environment/nurture can have on children - so the studies are within a somewhat homogenous environment... Thirdly, related to the second point, the adoption criteria are very stringent, which leads to even greater homogeneity of the environment... Fourthly, the data fails to consider the negative exponential impact of parental environment over development - i.e. for the first 2 years of your life, you are entirely vulnerable to the environment provided by your parents, so if your parents bugger that up, that sets down negative behaviours that stay with you through life - to assess a child's behaviours then at 5 years old without considering all that came before seems a bit dubious...Fifthly, BMI is also correlated to your microbiome, which is largely colonised during (vaginal) birth, which is environmental, not genetic, but is passed on between biological mother and chid, not adoptive parent to child... Sixthly, the statement that "all we inherit is genetic differences" is also incorrect - look up transgenerational epigenetics... Seventhly, saying parents have less responsibility for the outcomes of their children because it's mostly genetic is ridiculous - the parents selected the gene pool, so they're already 75% responsible on that basis alone...Eighthly, parents send their children to private schools for the networking opportunities and social grooming...
This is a good one!
Robert Plomin found Charles Murray's answer to why he studies average group differences "unsatisfactory". I found Plomins' answer to why he doesn't unsatisfactory, as well as slightly disingenuous. I suspect, and I'm being generous here, that the number one reason why he doesn't is cowardice, and the 3 reasons he gives are a justification. The idea that a geneticist wouldn't find value in the study of group differences is crazy to me. Here's one reason to study it, despite and partly because of the taboo against it - as Sam Harris says, because we're unable to even consider the idea that there are differences between groups, we ascribe all differences in behavior and outcome to "systemic racism". This explanation has and continues to foment enormous hatred and resentment (toward whites in particular) and allows no alternative hypothesis. If blacks don't do as well on certain standardized tests, the tests must be racist. That's just absurd! and yet it's accepted and challenging it is done at great risk. Since no other explanations are allowed to be given, no solutions are even attempted.
I'm a computer science student... which means I have only physics chemistry maths and computer science as main.. is there any chance that I can study about brain-Neuroscience. I'm not a biology student...
The into music is so daunting
Hi sam, is there a way that i can subscribe in Indian currency🙂
What is the best DNA test? Anyone know so I can research? I want one to identify issues with my genetics. For example on my family's side have all died from dementia. I suspect it is because they all smoked or were exposed to smoking. I'd like to know my vulnerability.
This guys answer about why he doesn't think about average differences between groups was way more satisfactory than I was expecting.
Damnit Sam, I *really* want to blame the parents!
It doesn't matter is there is no connection between average differences and individual differences. When discussing demographic change we're taking about average differences. That's the firestorm
Why isn't nature specific nurturing a thing?
Would love to see a friendly debate between Robert Plomin and Robert Sapolsky. Sapolsky suggests attributes thought to be genetic in origin, are often environmental when looked at more closely. I recommend the Innovation Hub episode "Tapping into Twins Studies".
And what percentage of health and longevity does Robert Plomin attribute to genetics / environmental? For example, on the Live Long and Master Aging podcast, Luigi Fontana suggests data from identical twins is that it's 25% / 75%... but maybe as high 40% / 60% . Luigi also disagrees with the increasingly common view that aging "diseases" are a result of wear-and-tear, accumulation of normal metabolism, and instead seems more on the Michael Rose camp that suggests it's all highly regulated.
Jesus is upset when you only partially upload. I am sure he will forgive you......
That's a good start....you subconsciously know Jesus will forgive you... even though you will say you were being sarcastic. Don't be afraid to learn more about Jesus. After all, He gave everything for you.
@@A.C.71 cringe
@@A.C.71 he gave me a blistering case of herpes
kyle bauer Conscious attention, and everything the basis of human ingenuity and moral standing is what makes it bearable to be self-conscious beings. It's what saves the world from being a hellish landscape.
Right, I just gave you a secular version of the Christian mythos, they're stories, whether or not we all have the language to speak of them translated to the modern rationalist language game. So don't be so quick.
Living In Christ this is Sam Harris not Jordan Peterson(whom I deeply respect btw), are you sure you’re in the right place?
thanks for cutting out the last 30 seconds of your guest's response at the end, he just happened to be clarifying the PRACTICAL interpretation of the podcast's subject but we didn't need to know that anyways 😂
Is that where he made the comment about meritocracy?
He cut off the last hour. This is only a partial upload. You have to pay to get the full version.
@@andybaldman No, you have to register. If you cannot afford the subscription, you can still register. Sam made it very clear at the beginning of the podcast. So don't cast aspersions unless you are absolutely certain of the truth of your statements.